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Congress Proposes Law Banning Body Armor In The Land Of The Free

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Submitted by Simon Black via Sovereign Man blog,

By the late 1920s, Joseph Stalin became the unchallenged leader of the Soviet Union after having eliminated his opposition.

He topped it off in 1929 by serving a decisive blow to anyone that would dare to oppose him by outlawing private gun ownership in the country.

From that year on until 1953 when Stalin died, it’s estimated that more than 20 million Soviet citizens that were seen as a threat to the country’s leadership.

People were rounded up and either murdered outright, or sent to infamous gulag labor camps.

Stalin is an extreme case. But history is ripe with examples of governments which disarm their citizens, only to engage in serious oppression afterwards.

Communist China. Nazi Germany. Cambodia. Guatemala. Uganda. The list goes on and on. Pacification of the citizens is almost always a prerequisite to totalitarianism.

There have been a lot of attempts to disarm, or at least partially disarm, people in the US throughout history as well.

Each time there’s a major shooting somewhere, the chant to ban firearms grows louder.

But the latest proposal is especially telling.

H.R. 5344 is a bill currently going through Congress that would ban the purchase of body armor.

Violation would carry CRIMINAL penalties, including up to ten years in prison.

Many bullet-resistant items on the market now, such as bulletproof backpacks for school children, would be banned by this legislation.

This is incredible given that the legislation is all about banning something that is purely defensive.

Whatever your stance on firearms, I hope we can agree that it’s pretty damn difficult to hurt another human being with body armor.

People buy body armor for protection. That’s the point. Duh.

So why in the world would they want to ban it?

The government claims that “criminals and rampaging madmen” can “wreak havoc” while wearing body armor, and it’s important to shield police from these nefarious individuals.

Uh, wait a sec– you mean the same police that go around terrorizing ordinary citizens who aren’t breaking any laws whatsoever?

The same police who beat homeless people to death?

The same police who shoot and kill innocent animals in broad daylight in the middle of the street?

The same police who scream “I will f***ing kill you!” with their weapons trained on crowds of protestors exercising their constitutional rights?

Right. Those guys.

This is such a disgusting, yet unfortunately predictable, turn of events in the Land of the Free.

It’s enraging. It’s infuriating. And it’s so obvious: the country has become a giant police state. And the trend is not getting any better.

It’s time to set aside emotion. It’s time to set aside a lifetime of propaganda and programming telling you that you live in a free country.

It’s time to look at the objective evidence all around you.

They spy. They steal. They wage illegal wars. They authorize military detention of civilians. They assassinate citizens.

They intimidate. They terrorize. They torture. They suspend due process when it suits. They destroy anyone who challenges them.

And now they want to take away a non-violent means of protecting yourself.

This is our reality. And at a minimum, it’s time for rational, thinking people to come up with a Plan B. What’s yours?

 

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Thu, 08/21/2014 - 18:03 | 5127182 Coletrane
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the sheep about to be fleeced ?

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 18:10 | 5127210 Da Yooper
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It

 

Would be interesting to see just who wrote this ( authored ) legislation

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 18:18 | 5127250 Occams_Chainsaw
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https://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/5344

 

Sponsor:Rep. Honda, Michael M. [D-CA-17] (Introduced 07/31/2014)Committees:House - JudiciaryLatest Action:07/31/2014 Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 18:25 | 5127285 Da Yooper
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Thank YOU

 

3 co-sponcers- Are we suprised

 

Liberals at it again - guess they are doing it " for the children"

Rep. Kelly, Robin L. [D-IL-2]*

 

Rep. Hastings, Alcee L. [D-FL-20]*

 

Rep. Pascrell, Bill, Jr. [D-NJ-9]*

 

Wasnt Honda caught doing something he shouldnt have back in the spring ?



Thu, 08/21/2014 - 18:29 | 5127319 NOTW777
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I am sure all three of them are well protected with arms and body armor

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 18:32 | 5127337 fuu
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So Simon, you're saying we should store body armor is various global locations in case the SHTF here?

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 18:37 | 5127357 0b1knob
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< One accurate head shot defeats any body armor.

< Two taps to the head just to be sure.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 18:43 | 5127392 linniepar
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More likely these guys were bought in order to spur panic buying.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 18:48 | 5127426 12ToothAssassin
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This bill has 0% chance of passing

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 18:52 | 5127447 Squid-puppets a...
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do they see how absurd it would have been if a 13th century feudal state banned its citizens from wearing platemail or chainmail armour

back in those days, when you were invaded you often had to rely on an uprising of armed citizens and veterans to help your formal army overcome the invaders

 

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:00 | 5127478 SuperRay
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No, they don't.  People are too afraid to know anything.  A nation of sheep who are 0% aware that they are supposed to be responsible for themselves.  

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:26 | 5127600 ACP
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This bullshit proposal reminds me of the end of Monty Python and the Holy Grail, when a cop grabs a guy's shield and says, "That's an offensive weapon, that is!"

@ 2:03

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRxwBb7ev1Y

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:38 | 5127660 espirit
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Get AR-500 level III while it's cheap.

Link to website at gunbot.net

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:54 | 5127755 MalteseFalcon
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Fuck these guys.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 22:04 | 5128220 chumbawamba
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BAN CONDOMS!  ONLY TERRISTS USE PROTECTION!

I AM CHUMBAWAMBA!

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 22:59 | 5128381 Ralph Spoilsport
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If they can get away with this, they'll ban gas masks and disposable bio-hazard suits. Then aspirin and first aid kits followed by the Boy Scouts because they are "prepared".

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 23:14 | 5128430 jeff montanye
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the representative in question, honda, is of japanese extraction and represents silicon valley, the only asian-american majority district in the 48.  wish i trusted the cops as much as he does (or as do his major campaign contribution donors).

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 23:38 | 5128498 whotookmyalias
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The arrogance of the criminals we elect is stunning.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 00:36 | 5128599 Richard Chesler
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Baaaah and change!

Yes we can baaaah!

 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 00:40 | 5128603 TahoeBilly2012
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I read "Congress needs body armour in the land of the oppressed..."

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 08:14 | 5128979 Headbanger
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WTF sense does this bill make for the liberals if they're so concerned about getting shot in the first place!!

Duhhhhh!!

If anything, the liberals should WANT body armor to protect themselves from all the guns they want to ban.

Also.. Anybody can make fairly effective Level III body armor which will stop most hand gun rounds

Level IV protection from rifle rounds requires hardened steel which is still easily available and workable into body plates.

But as it's been noted here above,  a few head shots makes body armor a futile effort anyway.

 

PS:  They better ban this movie scene too now!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxuVau6qiiw

Cause that's right!

YOU CAN MAKE LEVEL IV BODY ARMOR USING STEEL TARGET PLATES!

What a fucking concept!  So they'll have to ban all steel target plates now too!

And what's next?  Banning sand bags!!?

 

PPS:   If they DO ban body armor and steel target plates and sandbags.. Ice is fairly bullet proof:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYnrrjdtVys

 

Or better yet..  Just wear a frozen turkey around your neck...  Nobody will say a word!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yySo4p2f_wM

 

Aren't you glad you tuned in now??

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 08:53 | 5129215 LawsofPhysics
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Come on, you know what this is really about, power and control, period.

Here the text of the bill;

 

https://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/5344/text

 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 10:43 | 5129649 Headbanger
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Nahhhh.. C'mon..

It's all about selling moar frozen turkeys and you know it!

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 06:07 | 5128859 ImGumbydmmt
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Rep Honda is considered a nut job by many  Japanese, and also considired a stooge for the Chinese and North Koreans. Takes their money and does their bidding. now the co sponsers may be part of another agenda.

but the whole lot needs to go shopping for nailguns.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 06:33 | 5128879 StandardDeviant
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That would be the same sort of Japanese heritage which, in 1942, got a lot of American citizens sent to internment camps by their own government?  Astonishing.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 23:16 | 5128435 flacon
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A poorly written article rife with grammatical errors. For example: "From that year on until 1953 when Stalin died, it’s estimated that more than 20 million Soviet citizens that were seen as a threat to the country’s leadership." is not a complete sentence. 

 

...and it's "rife" not "ripe". 

 

It's so American to butcher the English language.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 23:34 | 5128482 Ralph Spoilsport
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I think he just forgot to combine the sentence following the one you cited into one sentence:

From that year on until 1953 when Stalin died, it’s estimated that more than 20 million Soviet citizens that were seen as a threat to the country’s leadership.

People were rounded up and either murdered outright, or sent to infamous gulag labor camps.

Becomes:

From that year on until 1953 when Stalin died, it’s estimated that more than 20 million Soviet citizens that were seen as a threat to the country’s leadership were rounded up and either murdered outright, or sent to infamous gulag labor camps.

That isn't butchering the English language, but more like being in a hurry to get an article out.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 00:45 | 5128618 silverserfer
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no flacon, that just how we mericans pronounce when we have undecayed full sets of teeth. Dont worry about it chap. Its a cultural thing.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:00 | 5127783 MachoMan
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The body armor manufactuers/vendors have been harping on this for over a week...  trying to sell them to everyone much the same as gun sales following mass shootings.  In the end, they might be able to ban ar500 steel, but can they ban ar500 gongs in the shape of armor plates?

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:39 | 5127927 Never One Roach
Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:57 | 5127992 Amish Hacker
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And beer goggles.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 21:26 | 5128084 FEDbuster
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tin foil hats, too.

Of course ass hats are still allowed in Washington D.C.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 21:45 | 5128147 Occams_Chainsaw
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Even if he gets gunned down you can still have the old lady fix you a sammich.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 00:23 | 5128579 Rockatanski
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AR500 steel does you no good against 556mm 55gr from a 20". Spend the extra and get ceramic. Look it up. 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 07:39 | 5128994 Headbanger
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Wrong!

Ceramic plates are only good for taking a few rounds versus steel

But they are lighter and don't have the spalling problem steel has.

And what's the big fucking deal about a 20 inch barrel anyway?

Do you thing that really adds much more muzzle velocity?

I have a 22 inch bolt action and a 16 inch semi 556 rifles and get  less than a 100 ft/sec increase with the longer barrel.

Cause does the word FRICTION mean anything to you?

DUHHHHH!

 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 03:19 | 5128764 Flagit
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Haha, that is what the livecast reporter for Vice said he was wearing.

The banger he was talking with said they had level I and II in the hood.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 22:40 | 5128331 petolo
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This proposed ban on defensive body armor is very offensive to me.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 07:52 | 5129026 giggler321
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Walmart says armor free with every purchase of AK47

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:25 | 5127886 One World Mafia
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Known as "milkervilles" to induce industry to bribe congress not to pass legislation, but given the zeal with which they are going after firearms, it's a real threat.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:40 | 5127946 blackbeardz
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YES, bought with blackmail from NSA like they can do to anyone

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:14 | 5127538 Oldwood
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Sure, until a cop does it....

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:47 | 5127722 Chupacabra-322
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I see the Criminal Board of Directors (CONgress) of the Criminal UNITED STATES, CORP. INC. Fraud are running scared now. It's about time. Tic toc, tic toc. We're coming for you, your families & every single vermin around you.

Rubbing hands together.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:23 | 5127872 DeadFred
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In the good ole days when only the elite (knights) had armor the preferred tactics was a slice to the inner leg to sever the femoral artery. Death was assured within a couple minutes and incompacitation took only tens of seconds. Archaeologists can date the battles of the middle ages by lacerations on the theigh bones of the inner portion of the legs since soldiers were trained to strike there automatically even when facing someone without armor. As with kevlar vests chainmail wasn't always obvious in the heat of battle. Just historical data, not meaning to foment rebellion. Of course all this was before Comrade Molotov's days.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 22:08 | 5128232 chumbawamba
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And before Friar Holy Hand Grenade.

-Chumblez.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 23:27 | 5128467 Ralph Spoilsport
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And before the little known Nuclear Trebuchet, which lobbed spheres of Yellowcake over the walls until a critical mass was achieved. This was a closely held secret of the Jesuits until 1945 when the Trinity explosion took place. Honest.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 22:50 | 5128349 Kirk2NCC1701
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That's how Dr Lecter cut a gypsy, who tried to grab him, in Florence, in the book Hannibal.

Dumb asses always shoot for the usual spots, instead of a crippling shit first, and then a more leisurely kill shot.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 05:09 | 5128840 Quinvarius
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Martial Blade Concepts.  They still teach a thigh cut as the goal of a knife fight.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 23:43 | 5128507 kchrisc
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My gun and badge thug buddy, he hates the what the institution has become as well, was pontificating one night about body armor. I told him that body armor makes it easier to kill a gun and badge thug, but that I would need to shoot twice. He asked how. I said that I would just aim the first shot center mass into his body armor to knock him down and then while he is on the ground, finish him off.

He agreed that that would work.

An American, not US subject.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:34 | 5129852 The Boognish
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If your weapon has enough muzzle energy to knock someone down then it would likely go through the armor. Only a few rounds carry enough punch to actually knock someone down without having enough velocity to penetrate a vest. Not surprised that your cop friend was too stupid to know this since he is a cop.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 06:57 | 5128921 spieslikeus
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Hope I don't have a boating accident today.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 18:44 | 5127404 Harbanger
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"3 co-sponcers- Are we suprised

 Liberals at it again - guess they are doing it " for the children"

Yes, I'm very surprised because it's not about left/right liberal/conservative, they're all the same.

No, they're not all the fucking same, MORONS.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 21:16 | 5128053 Personality Disorder
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It's for the economy, less ammo costs per "terrorist".

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 23:00 | 5128383 TheReplacement
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Let us see if it passes before declaring they aren't all the same.  Most of the stuff they have pulled to date has been bipartisan. 

Oh, and let us stop calling them liberals.  A liberal believes in individual liberty.  These jackals are tyrants, nothing more, nothing less.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 18:56 | 5127460 Mesquite
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What's needed more is a law against buying congress persons..!!!

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:24 | 5127881 DeadFred
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Ewww! Who would want one?

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 22:46 | 5128347 Fuku Ben
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Whatever happened to tarring and feathering in America?

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 23:17 | 5128443 Ms. Erable
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The problem isn't that congresscritters are for sale, but that no one takes them away after they've been purchased.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 23:51 | 5128473 Mr. Ed
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Whooooaa dude!   Passing law like that could interfer with the REAL business of congress!

The real picture of business in Washington, as painted by Peter Schweizer in his book Extortion reveals a process wherein legislation is proposed that will never really be passed as long as the affected parties pay-up.  That's usually the only reason it's introduced in the first place.

So: as long as the body armor manufacturers and other interested parties make a "donation", as expected, to the campaign chests of the various legislators pushing the legislation, it will never pass!

Why, I'll bet even Boehner could get an big KaChing!! outta this thing by preventing the legislation from ever coming to the floor for a vote!

Extortion!  It's a book you gotta read if you wanna understand what's really going on in this country.

 

PS: sometimes we're looking down a two-way street:  the body armor mfr's could see a humongous spike in sales due to the publicity generated by  this "proposed" legislation.  One hand washes the other, ey?

There's even something in it for the administration: the sales spike could cause a filip in GDP!   Woopee.

Ain't Amerika great?  Everbody wins ...except for you and me.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:32 | 5127631 NOZZLE
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AllShit Hastings, the  former nigger shit judge who 2ws debenched for taking bribes

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:36 | 5127923 XenoFrog
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Democrat bill co-sponsored by a bunch of democrats. Zero chance of being passed in the House.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 21:37 | 5128101 The Gooch
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Robin Kelly is a Chicago machine cunt.

She took over for JJ Jr.'s wonderful district after his ghetto ass got caught.

She had ONE platform. "Common sense gun-control".

Also, JJ Jr. will still collect his congressional pension.

 

 

 

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 18:34 | 5127291 Save_America1st
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because it's just too hard to kill innocent civilians if they own body armor and guns to protect themselves with. 

 

And as usual, Infowars.com was on this quite a while ago which nobody saw.

August 8th: http://www.infowars.com/congressman-wants-to-ban-sale-of-enhanced-body-armor-to-civilians/

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 18:43 | 5127398 12ToothAssassin
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Down arrow for linking to that shill with boner pills, seeds and water filtration. Lots of people were on this long ago if you care to look.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 18:58 | 5127468 Save_America1st
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down arrow to you for being a douche about it.  Shill, my ass...Alex Jones has been on this kind of shit for nearly 20 years.  Nobody else can claim that kind of track record and kick ass like he and his crew have all this time.

Have you been watching the Infowars coverage of Ferguson for the last 9 days?  Nobody else has had the balls to get in there and transmit the truth about what's been happening every single day and night for 18 hours a day.

Sgt. Joe Biggs has been there all this time, showing what's been happening and kicking ass.  They gassed him, shot flash bangs at him, and even shot him with 12 gauge rubber shotgun bullets. 

Tell him that Alex Jones is a shill and he'd probabaly rip your arms off!  LOL

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:01 | 5127480 12ToothAssassin
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Agreed, limited hangout is very convincing and serves an important purpose in the theater of hearts and minds. Ed Snowden can teach that lesson. But I did up arrow your body armour post below so there is balance in the universe.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:05 | 5127497 Save_America1st
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I know you did, and I upped you back and replied.  No need to get bitchy about Alex Jones of all people when the point of this thread is and really the point of everything we should be doing is to focus on being really super fucking pissed at the government and the shit they're pulling on us and how to counter-act them and kick their asses like they deserve, right? 

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:21 | 5127530 12ToothAssassin
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Of course everyone knows govt is way out of control but people like boner pill shill are ultimately not here to help the common person in a real, altruistic way. Hes all smoke and mirrors, no meat all potatoes. He knows exactly who NOT to go after. He always shows up when its most opportune for him to do so. I used to be a fan until I realized his game, now boner pill shill is lumped in with the other 'also rans' in my book.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF0pkXWEEug

Never vote for an encumbent (if you care to vote at all) and opt out of everything that you can starting with all television and all social media. You will be a much happier person for it.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:23 | 5127574 Save_America1st
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you got that wrong, but hey, I'll just have to leave it up to it being your loss.  For whatever reason you have your reason...whatever.

I don't care much to vote at all.  I've written in some people that I'm sure caused my voter's ballot to get "lost".  And I cancelled cable TV a little while back and the peace and quiet is....deafening and much appreciated.  Not to mention the extra 65 bucks a month I'm saving.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:40 | 5127668 12ToothAssassin
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I had such an amusing conversation when I cancelled my TV. They simply couldnt understand "I dont watch TV" as a reason for cancellation. I still chuckle when I think if the confusion.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:53 | 5127970 ForTheWorld
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I have a sister-in-law who was staying with my wife and I recently. She was telling us that she doesn't let her two girls watch TV because she doesn't want them to turn out like one of our nephews, and she still doesn't have a TV in the house.

She then proceeded to sit in her room at our place for 10 hours a day watching TV shows on Netflix.

She also thinks people are giving Obama a hard time without reason, and Ron Paul is a crazy super conservative who wants to take away womens rights.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:51 | 5127971 mkkby
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When I cancelled they offered it for free.  I said free was too expensive for noting but reruns, commercials and fake news.  Pay me to accept it.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 22:20 | 5128256 Lore
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Bravo. The only reason I keep mine is to keep a pulse on the bullshit and to watch an occasional sports event. Anecdotally, have you tuned into late night talk shows recently?  I watched a few minutes last week.  Holy cow, have they ever declined.  It's like watching the dumbest kids in a daycare, depressing. And the show listings suggest a broad increase in war related content, apparently to fool young people into thinking that's normal.  

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 07:59 | 5129050 Save_America1st
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sports events:  http://coolsport.se

or http://www.lshunter.net/

use Mozilla FireFox with Adblockplus installed to block the pop-ups.  I guess IEX with adblockplus would work too, but I do prefef FireFox lately. 

After that, you can watch damn near any sporting event, even the UFC fights for free.  Lately, just on my laptop since I no longer have cable TV, I will have 2 football games on the right side of my 17 inch display and can read ZH and other sites on the left side. 

Want to watch some free movies or TV series?  http://movie4k.to or http://watchseries.lt/Watch

they both work very well too.  I'm sure there may be other good ones out there too, but these are the ones I know and use sometimes. 

Get a cheap PC and dedicate it to your TV monitor and cancel the fucking cable bill.  Just pay for the internet service only and you're set. 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 17:37 | 5131690 Lore
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Thanks. I've been lazy but will look into it. The cable rates are disgusting for what you get.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:03 | 5127488 SuperRay
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Need to get him on cable TV.  Wouldn't that be a hoot??!

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:03 | 5127491 12ToothAssassin
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He would fit in perfectly with the shill MSMs

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:06 | 5127509 Save_America1st
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there you go again.

Is Ron Paul a shill to you?

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:12 | 5127534 12ToothAssassin
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Look at his voting record and tell me what you think.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:19 | 5127563 Save_America1st
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that's not an answer....c'mon, commit to it.  Tell us if you think Ron Paul is a shill or not?  We won't rip your arms out for being honest ;-)

But Sgt. Joe Biggs still might.  LOL

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:23 | 5127572 12ToothAssassin
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Rand Paul is a shill (/me looks over shoulder for signs of Sgt Biggs)

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:24 | 5127582 Save_America1st
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So you still didn't answer my question.  Why not? 

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:40 | 5127672 12ToothAssassin
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Whats unclear about "Rand Paul is a shill" ?

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:01 | 5127788 Save_America1st
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Because I didn't ask you that.  I didn't ask you if Rand Paul was a shill.  Twice I asked if you thought Ron Paul was a shill.  But for whatever reason you seem to be reading it incorrectly. 

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:48 | 5127963 SILVERGEDDON
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Can't you two just get a room, and fuck it out of your systems ? 

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:51 | 5127967 12ToothAssassin
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Wow my bad I totally misread that. I must have already been thinking Rand is a shill. Ron on the other hand was our last best hope in the existing paradigm. Mr and Mrs Ron Paul should have really chosen a different looking first name for their son.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 22:30 | 5128110 Save_America1st
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okay then...I figured it was some sort of subconscious trickery your mind was playing on you for some reason.  Interesting that after reading Ron Paul twice and resonding once, you still twice let your mind trick you into reading Rand Paul?  Okay then...

So to my original point after getting side-tracked by your subconscious fixation towards Rand Paul.

I only brought up Ron Paul for one, because I think he's a true statesman in the classical sense of the term.  An honest doctor who went to the District of Criminals for years to try and make change for the better for the people.  And he was ostricized and otherwise treated like shit by the sociopath scum of D.C.

So you don't think he's a shill.  Well that's good.  I don't either.  And well, since you brought him up and all, I don't think Rand Paul is a shill either.  That's just playing the odds I guess since I don't know either of them personally.  I just figure that most of the time the odds are that good and decent people, such as Ron Paul, aren't going to create "shills" as you acuse Rand Paul of being. 

It's usually the other way around.  Scum creates scum, begets scum, produces scum, teaches scum, and allows scum to thrive.  Not so much so with decent people like Ron and Rand Paul.

That's kind of a tangent from my original point though only because you seem to dislike Rand Paul.  But my point wasn't about him anyway....it was about Ron Paul.

So since you seem to consider the father of a "shill" to be our last best hope (which were also my feelings as well) then I find it odd that you would consider one of his closest allies in the fight against tyranny, oppression, and authoritaranism, Alex Jones to also be a "shill" just like Ron Paul's son...the Senator from Kentucky.  I guess all those Kentuckians are too stupid to know the difference, right?

And I guess in all of Ron Paul's wisdom...the fact that he's been friends with Alex Jones and his entire family for longer than Alex Jones has been alive, well heck....I guess Ron Paul must have them and all of us fooled too.  I mean he's very frequently on Alex's show.  They're conversations are deep, important, intricately tied to the troublesom issues affecting our government and our country and monetary system today.  They don't disagree...they do agree.  They agree nearly all across the board when Ron is on the show.  Alex doesn't have Ron Paul on the show to argue with him, his beliefs or his policies, morals, ethics, priciples or values.  Not one bit.

They agree with each other almost completely.  But in fact, I will say that one time I did hear Alex Jones go against Ron Paul and express his disappointment in him.  It was in 2008 when Ron Paul bowed out of the presidential race and endorsed Mitt Romney.  Well hell...I could hardly have disagreed with Alex on that one!!! lol  But I guess Ron saw the writing on the cards and felt he was at least doing the right thing in order to try and defeat obama. 

Just gotta wonder why if you and I trust Ron Paul (not Rand Paul, in your case of course) so much...then why would Ron Paul be such good, close friends with Alex Jones and why would they totally agree with each other on nearly everything that they see is right and wrong with our government and country?

Seems that might be saying that Ron Paul is an idiot if you think Alex Jones is such a shill.  And that kinda goes against what you seem to truely think about Ron Paul.  A statesman and a man of great respect with all of us.

Maybe you're being a little bit too tough on Alex Jones for some reason.  Maybe you haven't been listening to his daily show or read his writer's articles for a long time.  That staff seems to work hard...work their asses off.  Do their best to report the real news when the lame-stream, lap-dog, statist, propagandist, so-called "media" won't do their job.  They bust their asses on that show and website.  And I feel pretty sure people like that wouldn't work for someone who was or who they thought was a "shill".  Whatever that means by your definition against Alex Jones.

I think he's trying real hard.  It's obvious he has for a very long time.  Tell us who else has websites like his with stories that get into the shit the government pulls against us.  Who else has made 20 documentary films about government tyranny?  How about all the high-class guests that frequent his show every week?  Are they all "shills"???  Who else has a show that reaches 20 million people a week and has the biggest military following of anything out there.  That means something to me.  My brother's in the Marines.  I'm glad the military are listeing to Alex Jones every day in record numbers even when the military and governmnent have tried to ban them from listening or readin his website. 

If the government and military and lame-stream media are trying to ban and talk shit about anyone well that's someone I want to support and listen to. 

Because as they say...when you're taking flack then that means you're over the target.

 

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 22:00 | 5128205 Tall Tom
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First it is not Mister RON Paul. It is Doctor RON Paul.

 

(Unfortunately Randall is also a Doctor....and an Establishment Shill. He acted very dishonorably by rejecting his own father and backing that socialist, Mitt Romney, an author of ObamaCare, who instituted it while Governor in Massachusettes. Rand is another SOCIALISTRand Paul seems to have forgotten LOYALTY and the precept that he needs to HONOR his father and mother.)

 

There is no hope, whatsoever, in the existing paradigm. THERE ARE NO POLITICAL SOLUTIONS.

 

Actually I am pleased that RON Paul was not successful in his bid for two reasons...

 

First in all liklihood he would have been killed.

 

Second, if, somehow, he was not killed, then the failures of everything would have been square on his shoulders.

 

He is much too good of a man to suffer either fate.

 

But as for the Good Doctor and his wife choosing a different name for THIER CHILD???

 

You are sticking your nose in where it does not belong.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 22:29 | 5128290 Save_America1st
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Hmmm...you're right.  I also misremembered something.  I thought that Alex Jones had gotten pissed off because Ron Paul backed Mitt Romney.  But you're right...it was Rand Paul that did back Romney.  That is right.  Well there ya go...still support my original point whether he thought Ron Paul was a shill or not.  And even thought Rand eventually backed Romney, well...who knows...even the good guys have to play the political games in some way, right?  That sucked, but it probably helped him.  Maybe he's not as tough as Ron Paul...maybe he's going to betray everything Ron Paul has stood for for what, over 40 years?  Do we really think that?  What a traitor if he does.  And that would bring down great vengence and furious anger against his nation-wide, maybe world-wide if he did ever betray Ron Paul.  I seriously doubt he would risk that, don't you???

Anyways then...to the rest of your post.  You may be right.  They damn right may have killed him or blamed him.  You just gotta know they're looking for a scapegoat at every turn, in every corner, and most definitely on the Libertarian, patriot, Constitutional, conservative side of things.  That's they're whole gig....blame the "free market" and "captialism" even though we haven't had a free market and true capitalism for over a century.

Typical regressive, socialist, subversive, usurper, treasonous, Marxist, Fascist, scum-speak!

And there really aren't "2" parties...that's obviously a joke these days...at least here in Fight Club for sure.  The "2" parties are nothing but a two-headed monster.  Flip sides of the same treasonous fake silver coin.  The WWF of policitics for the dumbed-down sheeple to cheer for one side or the other when in reality they get shit on by both sides just the same and behind the scenes in the "locker room" both sides are good buddies, scripting out the next performance of the Theater of the Obsurb for the sheep-tards.

Fuck it, "folks"...let's just keep doing what we should be doing whether it means we can hardly wake a few more people up by now or not. 

Keep stackin' phyzz and all other essential supplies.  If that also means for you to buy body armor then by all means fucking do it.  I know I've wanted to for about 5 years and just haven't done it thinking that maybe that's just too "extremem". 

But is it really?????  Is it???  I could get swat teamed in my sleep at 3am just because of anything these days.  I could sleep with that damn thing on in hopes that I can wake up in time, get my sidearm and at least have my vest on.  Is that crazy thinking?  I don't really give a fuck.  It's not like I'm going to buy a vest and go all "Heat" in downtown L.A. to rob a bank so that I can withstand shots from poorly armed L.A. police department while I use an AK-47 to wipe everything out, right?  NO. 

But gee...hmm....doesn't that kinda seem in a way in hindsight like that's something that movie was trying to pimp???  That actually did happen in L.A.  Some fuckers who were totally armored were able to walk around, shoot shit up, withstand all kinds of dead on body shots until the cops finally capped them all in the head years ago.

So all of a sudden it shouldn't be any coincidence that some douchbag out of California would come up with this bill.  Whatever.  I don't care what has ever occurred before...it give no mandate what-so-ever to any scumbag government sociopath scum to use it against everyone in the entire country to ban something that is in no way at all any kind of offensive threat. 

An armored vest is not an offensive threat. This douche is just trying to link it to a certain situation which is also linked to semi-automatic weapons and movie bullshit or a few real life incidences, that's all.  That give no justification for a nation-wide ban of anything.  He's a scumbag and that's all there is to it, and if there's any true morals, principles and values in his congressional district then I hope those people vote his stupid ass out and vote in a Constitutionalist who will uphold his oath and the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

 

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 23:09 | 5128414 TheReplacement
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In a gun battle I'd pick either of the Pauls and especially Alex Jones over anyone else in red or blue.  I would certainly feel less stress about being a victim of fratricide with them.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 23:28 | 5128470 Tall Tom
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And that would bring down great vengence and furious anger against his nation-wide, maybe world-wide if he (Rand) did ever betray Ron Paul.  I seriously doubt he would risk that, don't you???

 

Well he already has. That was one big betrayal.

 

That was the point when I was totally convinced that there was not any political solution possible.

 

As for your stance on Body Armor I support it...with one caveat...

 

Unfortunately I do believe that it has a good chance of becoming law.

 

Most here do understand the illusion of the Two Party System, as you also do.

 

Consider this...

 

With all of that grandstanding that the Red Team pulled off in their "opposition" to ObamaCare it was the Republican led House of Representatives that voted to FUND Obamacare last October.

 

The House of Representatives has the Constitutionally authorized "Power of the Purse". They could have killed that Obamacare law...but did not. In fact what was the whole "Government Shutdown" drama about?

 

Theater...pure theater.

 

They may speak the rhetoric of 2nd Amendment Rights. But at the same time Body Armor has already been banned for convicted FELONS. That took Republican votes.

 

Now a FELON may be a FELON for many violations...MOST NOT AT ALL VIOLENT. Actually most are Drug and Drug Related.

 

So if you have been convicted of any Drug Crime you are not allowed to defend yourself at all?

 

Now I can understand if someone has been convicted of VIOLENT CRIME that it may be reasonable to remove their Civil Rights.

 

But the removal of the right to self defense for conviction of a non violent crime?

 

And yet those stalwarts of Personal Freedoms, the Republicans, along with the Democrats, voted this into law.

 

Now this? It is called INCREMENTALISM.

 

There is no difference between the two parties.

 

There is no Political Solution as both parties are corrupt and seeking to remove Civil Rights for all.

 

So you had best not bank on any real resistance from the Republicans that this bill does not pass.

 

If you had planned on getting Body Armor then the time to act is now. There is no better time than now.

 

Note the Downarrow on my initial post. The statists and anti-Constitutionalists are many and many post here. Many troll here.

 

And if you bought that lame excuse that he was confused by the names, Rand and Ron, well...I did not buy it at all.

 

I have been reading what you write for awhile. Keep up the good cause.

 

BTW...Rocket Propelled Grenades pierce Body Armor. And they are not that difficult to fabricate.

 

Check out this series on how to construct the motors...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfRNimt2bU4

 

Unfortunately I see the regression into a violent revolution as they are making it quite clear that they want us to have no protections against them.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:02 | 5127489 StormShadow
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AJ brings up a lot of good points, but he IS a shill, and he IS nuts.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:24 | 5127880 Haywood Jablowme
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You do the "waking up" the dumbed-down masses for 20 years and it'll make anyone nuts.  Shit, I've only been at this crap since 2008 and I don't see how he's managed to keep it together that long.  But I can say waking up back in 2008 has allowed me the time to get mentally, physically, & spiritually ready for the fawking shit-storm we all know is coming.

If Jones is a "shill" then what does that make all the fawktards on MSM?  At least he's got the balls to put the info out there so it can be brought to discussion/debate. 

Plus Rachel Maddow's penis probably stinks too.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:53 | 5127982 12ToothAssassin
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MSMs are the other side of the shill coin. Good cop bad cop. Hegelian dialectic. Republican or Democrat. If you control BOTH sides of the conversation then you control the outcome no matter which side 'wins'. Either way the viewer (victim) is directed to a predetermined conclusion. Queue faux manufactured rage.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 22:56 | 5128378 Kirk2NCC1701
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Whaddya mean AJ is nuts?

I thought he was rich. Very rich.

Perma-bears is big business, don't you know.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:18 | 5127855 toady
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The same police who shoot and kill innocent animals in broad daylight in the middle of the street?

Did they have to bring up Turd Ferguson?

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:41 | 5127942 ThroxxOfVron
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WTF?

Did Turd get deFurg'd during banking hours or are we talking about somebody's untimely pet?

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 23:01 | 5128391 TheReplacement
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Thanks for all the links proving your point... wait, what?

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:06 | 5127511 himaroid
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I put up a link a couple of weeks ago.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 18:23 | 5127292 Payne
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current Police and Military Armor will not be stopped by a sniper round, basically a deer rifle.  Body armor mostly effective against small arms weapons.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 18:45 | 5127380 Save_America1st
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Wrong!  Ask any of our boys who have taken a big shot and were saved by their vests!  Otherwise our military wouldn't wear it.  Yeah, it's still going to fucking hurt really fucking bad...sure...but it should not penetrate into your body and thus not be able to fragment in you, giving you a huge chance of survival even if the round breaks a rib.  At least you will be able to get the fuck up and move out of the way of more incoming fire and have a chance to live before a round taps you in the skull.

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This plate is multi-hit rated up to 20 hits against an AR-15 M855.  This plate is NIJ Certified and we will be listed on the NIJ Compliant Armor list within a few weeks. http://www.nij.gov/topics/technology/body-armor/Pages/compliant-ballistic-armor.aspx 

Side plates are only available in Level III.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 18:46 | 5127419 12ToothAssassin
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Also consider Patriot Plates: http://www.maingun.biz very high quality affordable plates.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 18:53 | 5127435 Save_America1st
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Sweet!!!  Let's piss this fucker in California off and make body armor the next biggest industry in America since obama pushed ammo and gun sales into the stratosphere!!!

FUCK 'EM!!!  Whatever they don't want us to have is EXACTLY what we should support.  Guns, ammo, armor, food/water storage, farming, survival gear, the internet and the KNOWLEDGE about what fucking sociopaths these criminal, treasonous, scumbags are. 

 

Edit:  wow...revelation after writing what I just wrote.  That Dem motherfucker is probably so psycho that he probabaly owns a shit-ton of body armor company stocks or stock in armor supply companies knowing that by pushing a ban it will only create massive record sales just like what happend with ammo and guns.

Lesson:  Start looking into body armor and material company stocks!!!  That evil genius motherfucker!!!   LOL 

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:06 | 5127500 SuperRay
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Careful, dude, your though process is getting dangerously close to a hedge fund manager!  :-)

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:09 | 5127526 Save_America1st
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LOL...I know...I scared the shit outta myself there for second. 

However...

We all still might wanna start researching that angle.  The bill may be destined for failure.  But the ramifications of just the suggestion of it might do for that industry just what it has done for the guns and ammo industry, right?

We could make some serious fiat...which can then be swapped out for Ag and Au!  And that's always a damn good thing.  And also to stack more lead and lead delivery systems as well!  LOL

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:35 | 5127645 disabledvet
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This is Missouri not Kansas.  "Those are called White People.". What was that dude's name?  Edmund Money?  That dude was fact not fiction.

Wrong State to be flashing the hardware.  Just my view of course...

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 21:11 | 5128047 TheMeatTrapper
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In a worst case scenario, you can make your own plates from fiberglass. 

Better than nothing. This guy has several DIY videos and actually shoots them with very good results:

http://youtu.be/TuPIUMmgVgA

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 18:54 | 5127451 Harbanger
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But you're basically wearing a 3/4 steel plate to stop a round.  And if hits around edge of the plate you're still minced meat.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 18:58 | 5127465 12ToothAssassin
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Closer to 3/8" but this reveals your lack of first hand knowledge on the subject... As opposed to it hitting you center mass in vitals with zero obstruction? Lemme guess, if someone walked up to you and said they are going to shoot you, you would take off your shirt and kneel down for them to make it easier?

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:13 | 5127501 Harbanger
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If challenge you to take a 30-06 FMJ  to the chest with armour on would you take it.  How about side protection?  you need plates there too.  All I'm saying is the stuff that may save your life also happens to weigh 50 lbs.  Even a small caliber that hits the edge or missies the plate because you're at a slight angle is going to bounce back and forth bectween your plates.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:14 | 5127542 12ToothAssassin
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Deal. Then after that you can take a 30-06 with no protection. Tell me when youre ready.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:22 | 5127577 Harbanger
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You're being a dick.  No one is saying you're better off with no protection.  It doesn't protect you completely, it doesn't stop all rounds and it's impractical to wear all the time.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:37 | 5127648 Save_America1st
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of course they're not saying that...there are no guarantees in anything.  But it's still a major and substantially higher level of protection that has revolutionized combat, especially for our soldiers, and saved tons more lives than prior to them having body armor. 

And that's all completely besides the point.  Owning a gun doesn't guarantee that if I get in a gun fight that I'm going to win or not get hit by the other guy.  But it sure as hell gives me a serious advantage over not being armed, right?

Same thing regarding body armor. 

And so for some fucking scumbag piece of shit "so-called" representative in our government who supposedly took a Constitutional oath to come up with a bill to ban something that can protect your body from bullets to me is treason.

Just like trying to ban guns and ammo is treason.  Trying to ban free speech is treason.  Trying to ban our right to privacy, private property, due process, etc.   Fucking treason...all of it. 

The arguement here is not whether certin armor is better than another or if it's even effective at all....which, hands down...it is.

The issue here should be, as always, about these fucking scum who get the sheeple to elect them and then they go sociopath on us, wiping out our rights and freedom while enriching and empowering themselves. 

Just the fact that this whole thread devolved into this instead of focusing on what a piece of shit this guy is for even suggesting such a thing, and not coming up with some way to get his bitch-ass kicked out of Congress totally sucks. 

 

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:48 | 5127724 Harbanger
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I agree.  But this Democrat is doing what she was elected to do, so she won't get any backlash from her constituents. If it were a Rino maybe, now the constituents are a little more awake they might vote them out.  This is why I can't understand why any person who believes in the 2nd amendment could ever vote for a Democrat. 

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:31 | 5127900 Save_America1st
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sure, fine...a Dem scum is a Dem scum, and yeah...this is the kinda bullshit they will pull in a Dem scum dominated stated. 

But that's not the point you were commenting on previously, so that's what my point was above.  And well...maybe that was just a type-o on your part...but it wasn't a woman (I know...shocker) who did this.  It's a dude named Mike Honda. 

Here's one of many links about it in case you want to actually read about it instead of just making comments to others as if in some way to get the thread off track and divert from the true subject matter. 

Almost as if you're doing it on purpose???   Hmmm....troll much?  Just sayin'...

http://www.infowars.com/congressman-wants-to-ban-sale-of-enhanced-body-armor-to-civilians/

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 08:52 | 5129207 Calmyourself
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Like you harbanger but with this attitude you should give me all your PM's, yes all of them..  They could be taxed or even confiscated be safe give them to me now..

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:24 | 5127583 Sedaeng
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I own a LVL IV stand alone rig, kevlar lined - to include the side plating.  35lbs

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:32 | 5127634 Harbanger
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There you go, it's not something you would want to wear all day.  and the side plates are always thinner than front and back.  And the front and back plates, typicall 8-10 x 12 inches, cover vitals but a high powered round than misses the plate will make you mince meat.  Not from the penetration but from the shock wave expansion.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:38 | 5127662 12ToothAssassin
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But if you wear no armour and are shot in the same place, youre the exact same minced meat. This is a terrible argument point. Vote the critters out - never vote encumbent for anything.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:52 | 5127747 Harbanger
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I agree, vote the critters out.  And especially don't vote for democrats as the whole damn party is against the 2nd amendment.  I don't care what hope and change they're selling.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:00 | 5127777 Sedaeng
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I ordered the extra large plating 12x14.  I bought the side plating because of results from research done by the Marine Corps.  They found that (my numbers will not be exact but close, this was back in '07) 85% of Marine casualties in Iraq/Afghanistan could of been prevented with side plating.  Thats a HUGE difference in casualties and shows that body armor is highly effective.

Part of prepping is being in shape to carry out the tasks that might befall you.  If body armor was not practical from a tactical stand point then the military and security industry would not continue utilizing it.

The carrier system I chose has a cummerbund option.  A lot different from the rigs we used in the Marine Corps where the weight was solely on your shoulders.  The cummerbund places a % of the weight on the lower-back.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:10 | 5127815 Harbanger
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Of course it's useful, If it weren't they wouldn't want to ban it.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:53 | 5127748 SilverRhino
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Challenge accepted bitch.  Then I get to shoot you with my 30-06 ammo.  PS: My armor weighs 18 pounds total.  (Front, back and sides)

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:04 | 5127797 Harbanger
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRGuAvdXQ6I

Skip right to 1:30.  At best you're protected from the 1st round, and that's with shitty round.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 21:08 | 5128022 12ToothAssassin
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Theres a huge difference between a vest amd steel plate. Also consider while youre moving, how likely is it that you get shot in the same place twice? If that happens you were probably meant to go.

Im talking about multi hit steal that is only penetrated by 308 black tip and 50BMG or larger. Watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqjUgwx36WM and consider that is a relatively inferior steal plate.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 21:17 | 5128056 Harbanger
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Steel is heavy, Silverrhinos is 18 pounds because its ceramic.  And it is very likely you will get hit in the same plate a few times.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 23:19 | 5128450 SilverRhino
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Au contraire .... my armor is AR-500 steel.   1/4 inch (7.5# plates front / back) and the side plates are about 1.5# each

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRh6sf6LLtM 

Skip to ....

  • 5:00 to see performance against 30-06 FMJ ball
  • 6:00 : 300 win mag (180gr SP) : Penetrates
  • 7:30 : 338 RUM   250gr brass solid (failed) / 225gr TTSX (penetration)
  • 9:30 : 30-06 M2 AP : Penetration

Every 5.56 round tested against it failed including SS190 (penetrators) pills from a 5.7 that were reloaded into 223 and shot at 3400 fps against it.   

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 06:37 | 5128888 ImGumbydmmt
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double up on the front plate. lots of folks buying .30-06 M2 AP and .300 Win Mag.

(at least folks i know)

or step up to HY100 or ESAPI rather than AR500.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 01:36 | 5128436 Kirk2NCC1701
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Bla, bla, bla. At Executive Combat School they teach that...

"The best body armor is...

   1. > 2 miles from firing zone.

   2. Armored Vehicle with pro driver, wearing Class III Armor

   3. The body armor of all your subordinates who are between you and the bullet. Class III or IV

   4. Dragon Scales armor, for the times when you are exposed.

Clearly none of you attended.  The lack of system-level thinking is apparent.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 21:20 | 5128070 himaroid
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That one stopped round will help you "Save America 1st" for another day. I have the same IV suit. Good.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 00:22 | 5128578 OldPhart
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Wonder if they make level IV undies?

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 06:33 | 5128881 ImGumbydmmt
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correction ESAPI side plates are now produced. SAPI is level III...... ESAPI is level IV. so yes level IV side plates now exisit. search ebay long enough they will turn up.

caution on steel plates, the round shatters and the multiple ricochets are still lethal, the steel plates need a covering. some manufacturers sell them coated with some goop over fibers. from testing videoes its worth the extra cost but after a few rounds starts to disenegrate.

But after a few rounds i would think its time to take a break and re-evaluate whether or not to stay in the firefight anyway. unless of course the S#$% has landed right on your doorsteep and you've got women and children to defend, then, rock on bro- better to die surrounded by a pile of hot brass than let the ones you care most deeply for be killed or carried away to "The Camps".

or As Winston Chirchill would say.

Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than live as slaves.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:29 | 5127611 SilverRhino
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And you have no idea what you are talking about.    There are rounds out there for deer rifles that can reliably punch through level IV armor that are legal for citizens. 

And deer rifles ARE small arms. 

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 18:26 | 5127310 Payne
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California's 17th Congressional District is located in the heart of Silicon Valley

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:04 | 5127494 Laddie
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Can you say ZUCKERBERG!!!!

His fellows in the BLOODLINE are up to their eyeballs in the disarmament campaign against heartland America:
Jews and Jewish organizations lead the gun control campaign

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:34 | 5127643 HelluvaEngineer
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Other side:  http://jpfo.org/

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 22:25 | 5128278 cornedmutton
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It's Santa Clara, 95054 and others.  I know, I used to live there.  Intel's HQ is there.  Mike Honda is a douche bag.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 18:27 | 5127311 11b40
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Like this has a snowball's chance in hell of being passed in the House.  Obummer would probabluy singn it, but 5 will get your 10 that it never even sees a vote in the House.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 18:40 | 5127377 nmewn
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Mike Honda is a real piece-a-work. Quite the busy little commie...

"That is why I introduced the Strengthening Social Security Act (H.R. 3118) to modernize benefits...

God only knows what that means.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:39 | 5127937 luckystars
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Silicon Valley, he reps the Tech Companies even lists them on his website.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 21:48 | 5128160 Government need...
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Of course it was a Marxist.  Just keep repeating, "More government is good" and "Government knows best".  While you are saying this, pass the 'cocktails'.  I wonder, are those Fedcoat uniforms flameproof?

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 07:55 | 5129034 felix2
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Occams_Chainsaw  

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 18:18

Thanks for the link

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:07 | 5129731 Grimaldus
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Murdering progresive criminals infesting FEDGOV need to be able to kill citizens when they want to kill citizens. They want you unarmed and unprotected.

State worshiping progressives are frothing at the mouth to bring on the totalitarian state, begging obomber to break the law and just go full tyrannical dictator. Bill Ayers wants 25 million American citizens dead so progressives can achieve their criminal mafia state. And all his puppets in FEDGOV are marching straight for that goal.

Power kills, bitchez! Government is the worst killer ever. And godless progressives worship government. Can U put 2+2 together?

They are not happy with these numbers and want more.

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM

There is a good reason for limited government--more people live.

Grimaldus

 

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 18:19 | 5127251 Save_America1st
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queue massive all-time record sales of body armor!!!  Then subsequent shortages and all-time high prices for body armor.

I've been wanting to buy a class III armor vest for about 5 years now and never have.  Now they're going to double in price for sure with this shit going on. 

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 18:28 | 5127304 HelluvaEngineer
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Bulletproofme has steel plates available for reasonable prices. Actually the ceramics are the same price too.

If this doesn't tell you that the plan is to kill off the troublesome peasants, what will?

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:06 | 5127503 StormShadow
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AR500armor.com

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Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:16 | 5127547 12ToothAssassin
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Compare AR500 armour to this before you purchase either version: http://www.maingun.biz/

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:17 | 5127556 Save_America1st
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awesome...I'm noting your suggestions and am going to make a list.  Thanks for posting. 

Everyone should post all their information like this and then support those companies hard-core! 

Even thoug the bill won't pass, there's still nothing that says this treasonous government and the scumbag banksters won't start a campaign against them like they did the ammunition manufacturers.

Sure, the fucking government will use billions of tax-payer dollars to arm themselves to the teeth and starve the supply of ammo for civilians while driving up prices on us.  But at the same fucking time they are using banks to run certain ammo companies and other companies who make or sell guns to shut down their bank accounts to keep them from being able to run their businesses.

It's a power move to create scarcity and monopoly at the same time and to make this stuff as difficult and expensive as possible for the rest of us to get.

They'll probably do the same against the body armor industry and before you know it they will have used the banks to close and ban any companies from doing business.  Then a few sell-out companies will turn statist/fascist for government favors and will continue to do business with the government making huge money via our tax-payer dollars.

This is the way of the fascist/statist/tyrannical/treasonous government run by sociopaths and psychopaths.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 18:40 | 5127370 ednraleigh
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I'm going to guess ALEC drafted the bill's language.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 22:13 | 5128246 FightingtheFed
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100 dollars some Commie jew.

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