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Liberian Police Open Fire On Ebola Protesters

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Police in the Liberian capital fired live rounds and tear gas on Wednesday to disperse a stone-throwing crowd trying to break an Ebola quarantine imposed on their neighbourhood. As Reuters reports, at least four people were injured in clashes with security forces, witnesses said, though it was unclear whether anyone was wounded by the gunfire. Liberian authorities introduced a nationwide curfew on Tuesday and put the West Point neighbourhood under quarantine to curb the spread of the disease. "The soldiers are using live rounds," said army spokesman Dessaline Allison, adding: "The soldiers applied the rules of engagement. They did not fire on peaceful citizens." Locals are angry, "I don't have any food and we're scared," screamed one, adding, "it is inhumane."


As Reuters reports,

Police in the Liberian capital fired live rounds and tear gas on Wednesday to disperse a stone-throwing crowd trying to break an Ebola quarantine imposed on their neighbourhood, as the death toll from the epidemic in West Africa hit 1,350.

 

 

In the sprawling oceanfront West Point neighbourhood of Monrovia, at least four people were injured in clashes with security forces, witnesses said. It was unclear whether anyone was wounded by the gunfire, though a Reuters photographer saw a young boy with his leg largely severed just above the ankle.

 


 

Liberian authorities introduced a nationwide curfew on Tuesday and put the West Point neighbourhood under quarantine to curb the spread of the disease.

 

 

"The soldiers are using live rounds," said army spokesman Dessaline Allison, adding: "The soldiers applied the rules of engagement. They did not fire on peaceful citizens. There will be medical reports if (an injury) was from bullet wounds."

Witnesses said the clashes in West Point started after security forces early on Wednesday blocked roads to the neighbourhood with tables, chairs and barbed wire. Security forces also came in to escort the local commissioner out of the neighbourhood, they said.

"We just saw it (the blockade) this morning. We came out and we couldn't go anywhere. I haven't heard from anybody in authority what happened," Barry, 45, who works as a money changer, told Reuters.

As RT reports,

Residents of West Point were outraged at the move, protesting, throwing stones and shouting at police. Witnesses also stated that the violence began after the security forces blocked roads to the neighborhood with tables, chairs and barbed wire. Locals told Al Jazeera they hadn’t been warned.

 

 

"I don't have any food and we're scared," Alpha Barry, a local who has four children under age 13, said.

"It is inhumane," resident Patrick Wesseh told AFP by telephone.

"They can't suddenly lock us up without any warning, how are our children going to eat?" he added.

On Saturday, youths with clubs stormed an Ebola medical facility in West Point.

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The death toll from the spreading virus mounted by 106 in just two days, and constituted 1,350 victims. In Liberia alone, 576 people have died from 972 cases, AFP reported. 

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Scenes are very reminiscent of Ferguson, Missouri 

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  • *SENEGAL CLOSES BORDERS W/GUINEA ON EBOLA CONCERNS, AFP SAYS

In addition, South Africa has imposed travel bans on citizens from Ebola-Hit nations (as Bloomberg reports)

Ban is for all non-South African citizens travelling from high risk countries, unless travel is considered absolutely essential, Dept. of Health says in e- mailed statement. 

 

Ban is for citizens of Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone

 

South African citizens wanting to travel to Ebola-hit countries requested to delay travel unless absolutely essential

 

South Africans returning from these countries to be subject to more stricter screening process

 

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Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:30 | 5127902 nmewn
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Paging Jesse!

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:33 | 5127913 max2205
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Stock up now

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:38 | 5127930 Manthong
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And the difference between aggressive Ebola protestors and Zombie Apocalypse is..  ?

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:40 | 5127934 kaiserhoff
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Africa is bleeding out,

 literally and figuratively.  This will only get worse.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:42 | 5127943 Publicus
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Coming soon to America. Also, wait till the enforcers themselves are infected with Ebola, it'd be hilarious.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:55 | 5127984 Whoa Dammit
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Notice how even in this impoverished hellhole, the government still can find funds for  thugs in cammo and riot gear. For sewerage and hospitals  to benefit the populace, not so much.

And in honor of our American doctor who was released from the hospital today, the blind man scene from Life of Brian:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lbX7VxlrJQ

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 21:28 | 5128086 Cangaroo.TNT
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If you like your shithole, you can stay in your shithole and become emaciated.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 22:14 | 5128250 knukles
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Cordon Sanitaire
This is the only proven way to deal with any of the hemorrhagic fevers.
Let it burn itself out and torch the leftovers.

Medieval?

Proven.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 22:18 | 5128260 WakeUpPeeeeeople
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check out this youtube to get a good feel for how people live in Liberia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRuSS0iiFyo

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 23:26 | 5128469 Four chan
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it must be great to have a border enforceable with bullets.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 07:55 | 5129030 TerminalDebt
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If you encirle 50K people and wait for them all to get infected then there is only 1 outcome.

I know I would be getting 40K people together as quickly as possible and charging the least defended "gateway". 

 

If you wait around you have a 30% chance of surviving.

If you make a run with 40K people you probably have better than a 50/50 chance.

 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 00:42 | 5128586 California Nigh...
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check out this youtube to get a good feel for how people live in Liberia.

 

Holy fucking shit!

 

This is a must see viddie for all Americans.

 

(Thanks, Wakeup.)

 

Methinks this might be the destiny of OUR slums if we continue on the same course of letting lame brained rioters riot unhindered.

Maybe the authorities here are standing down, waiting for white anger to rise to a point at which the tanks and APCs will be welcomed and rioters will be machine gunned to hearty applause. 

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 22:43 | 5128338 Matt
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Yes, but you still have to send in food, water, neccessities into the cordon, you should not just starve everyone in the cordon otherwise you might as well just shoot and burn them all. Not just because it is inhumane, but also it is tactically unsound.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 21:18 | 5128064 Spine01
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So focused in Africa that Tyler forgot to mention that they just published a video from a cell phone of the second killing of a black teen in St. Louis. And clearly the guy was shot needlessly, since he posed no real threat to the policemen who could have just gone into the patrol cars and asked for backup rather than killing him. Here is the link to the youtube video from a newspaper in Southamerica, where it is going viral.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=j-P54MZVxMU

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 21:30 | 5128091 Cangaroo.TNT
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That was posted yesterday.  What's with all the newbies making themselves look like total asshole jerkoffs lately?

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 02:55 | 5128727 gallistic
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I shouldn't pick on the guy, but what the hell, I am feeling playful.

Spine01 modestly bills himself as "Engineer, physicist, MBA, bioengineer. 300+ patents, several books and hundreds of peer reviewed publications." On top of all that, he is also an economist, and his "family has been in the health care industry for more than 80 years combining three generations". He can tell you all about ER titration procedures, how epidemiology is based on relatively simple mathematics and vector analysis, and prioritization.

Spine01 is not a newbie total asshole jerkoff, he is a rennaissance man!

Although he has no clue on the "new law (that) was ezsentially (sic) copied from Venezuela's supply law", his deep and insightful knowledge of Argentine Politics is also very impressive.

True polymath! humble too...

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 04:11 | 5128811 Central Bankster
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Zing!

 

Thanks ;)

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:45 | 5127958 cougar_w
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If the authorities don't get food and water to these people they won't last a week, least of all the 30+ days they are probably planning on, in the case of a cordon.

They could at least have taken care of themselves before, now they are 100% dependent on external aid. Of course they are scared, now everyone in the country needs aid, like there is any way for that to work out in Africa. Fuck it they are going to die. I'd be scared too if something like that went up in my neighborhood overnight. I'd flip the fuck out.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 21:07 | 5128032 Winston Churchill
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Being shot might be better.Nothing left to lose.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 21:20 | 5128058 Renfield
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It is horrible to think that just bombing the city would be doing them a favour, compared to dying from thirst/starvation/disease/any combination thereof, together with the whole family, slowly over the course of a month.

If something like this happened in North America I bet they would bomb the town and then blame some political group.

This epidemic is completely terrifying. There is no right or wrong left there now, only who will survive, and how.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 21:31 | 5128095 Urban Redneck
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In north America it won't be isolated "towns" it will be the urban ghettos, just like in Monrovia.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 21:10 | 5128044 sushi
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Fuck it they are going to die.

 

And when that understanding percolates through to the conscious mind then the question becomes "How shall I die?"

Waiting for food that will never come?

Or finding a way to take the Black Goons at their own game?

And if news of this spreads beyond West Point, then the expectation is for increased recruitment to Boko Harum and all other forces fighting the priviledged establishment.

What you end up with is warfare plus Ebola. Quite the mix.


Thu, 08/21/2014 - 22:04 | 5128214 Wahooo
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And it won't be long until they try to infect the mother ship.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 21:32 | 5128100 Cangaroo.TNT
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"...now everyone in the country needs aid."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yC7HwPh6Es

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 22:35 | 5128317 NoPension
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Looks like Ferguson.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:32 | 5127910 Bangin7GramRocks
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Jokes on you coppers! Get ready for some eye & ass bleeding flatfoot. 

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 23:49 | 5128519 Matt
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Stop throwing rocks, start throwing bloody poop and those soldiers will get terrified good and quick.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:34 | 5127918 Grande Tetons
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Ban is for all non-South African citizens travelling from high risk countries, unless travel is considered absolutely essential, Dept. of Health says in e- mailed statement. 

 

Absolutely essential as in one has an absolute shitload of relative wealth and/or influence. That absolutely. 

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:36 | 5127926 Rusty Shorts
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By Gary Brecher

FRESNO - I've written a little about some of the great military figures Liberia has given the world, like General Butt Naked and his platinum-blonde drag queen psycho killers. But I've never told the hilarious, totally sick story of how Liberia got the way it is. And it's too interesting to hold back any longer.

Liberian history is supposedly "tragic," which is newspaper code for "funny as Hell." I can't help it, it is. It's not like I don't sympathize. I do. I mean, which slum did your grandparents come from? Probably some starved village where the coal mine's been closed since it ate a whole shift of locals. How'd you like it if everybody in your neighborhood took up a collection to send you back there, even if you didn't speak a word of the language? "We feel you don't fit in in Santa Barbara and you'll never be truly happy until you're back in Lower Slobovia:"

That's how Liberia started. It was white people's idea from the start. They were worried about free blacks, who made up about a tenth of the 2 million black people in the US. The two extremes of the slavery issue, abolitionists and crazy slaveowners, agreed something had to be done about all those free blacks.

The abolitionists loved black people so much they wanted them to go far, far away. So did the slaveowners, who announced with no evidence at all that free blacks were "promoters of mischief." (I don't know what "mischief" means--maybe they TP'd those Gone With the Wind plantation houses.)

A group of rich white do-gooders including Francis Scott Key, who wrote "the Star Spangled Banner," got together to raise the money to send free blacks back to Africa. For them Key had a special version of the anthem: "Oh say can you see/the home of the brave? If so, you're standing too close/Go about 4000 miles southeast, to West Africaaaa."

Congress came through with a big grant and in 1819, a ship with 88 freed blacks and three white chaperons landed in that other success-story for re-planting blacks, Sierra Leone. After gassing up at Freetown, they headed down the coast to the promised land, Liberia.

Within three weeks of arriving at their new home, all three whites and 22 blacks died of fever. That's barely time to start naming things "free-" this and "free-that.

Instead they named the place "Perseverance." A little truth in advertising. The rich whites sitting home safe in the US were determined to persevere in Liberia, even if it meant shipping every black they could catch straight into the most disease-ridden, lethal climate in the world. They worked a deal with the US Navy that any slave ships intercepted on the high seas would be detoured to Liberia an dump their cargo there, which meant that no matter how many colonists died, more were always on the way.

It was like a do-gooder version of Darwin, only sped up. Most of the newcomers died so fast they barely had time to thank their benefactors, but a few survived. And they were the ones who married and had kids, so eventually you got a population that had some degree of resistance to all the tropical diseases.

Once they realized they weren't all going to die in the next week, the settlers went to work on the most fundamental thing in any society: setting up cliques. There were three big ones in Liberia: the freed slaves who were "black"; the ones who were "mulatto"; and way back there in the bush, the natives. Naturally, none of these cliques liked each other.

The next step, naturally, was sucking up to the people who abused you. Is this starting to remind you of high school? That's because high school is a totally typical example of how people act when they have to start a society from scratch.

So instead of making peace with the natives, the Liberians spent the 1840s trying to get officially recognized by the whites. The funny bit is that the European states didn't have too much problem granting it, but the US--the country that started Liberia with a huge grant from Congress--refused to recognize Liberia until 1862. Guess why. Yup: because the South might object to having a black ambassador in Washington D.C.

It makes you wonder how they finally agreed to recognize Liberia. I mean, it's 1862, the Confederacy's at war with the US, and some bureaucrat's still sweating over the decision: "Well, Mr. Lincoln, our focus groups show there might be a negative reaction in some of the border districts:"

By this time Liberia was a full-grown country, doing what West African coastal enclaves are supposed to do: getting ripped off in "development" loans from the West, having ridiculous border disputes over some fever-ridden chunk of bush, and making the inland natives feel like dirt. British banks ripped the Liberians off so badly that one Liberian president--"the Liberian Lincoln," no less--had to swim for his life, and ended up as shark food before he made it to a British ship in the harbor of Monrovia, the new Liberian capital city.

Monrovia was named after James Monroe, who was one of the supporters of the Liberian colonization plan. His famous comment on Liberia was, "Love you guys, wish you could stay longer, here's your hat."

My favorite border dispute was between Liberia and that other outpost of freedom, Sierra Leone. In 1883, Sierra Leone claimed territory that Liberia held. The British backed up the Sierra Leoneans; Uncle Sam decided to stay out of it, and the Liberians had to back down. Next it was the French, in the Ivory Coast next door, grabbing another chunk of territory. Through it all Uncle Sam kept his distance from his black nephews in Liberia. It was like he was a little embarrassed by them.

One reason the US might've been embarrassed by the Liberians is that they kept trying to look white. And they succeeded. Take a look at the pictures of Liberian leaders from the 1800s and they look like Confederate generals with a tan--a lot of white blood in there. The Liberians were proud of that; the US wasn't.

These "Americo-Liberians" were never more than five percent of the population, but they ran the coast, had the money, understood more about the outside world--so they considered themselves the elite. They felt even whiter when they compared themselves with the natives, who were pure West African--some of the darkest people in the world. To remind everybody of the difference, the settlers called themselves "Americo-Liberians" and put on a lot of airs, with stiff collars and muttonchop sideburns--not to mention that other mark of higher civilization, land grabs.

Nobody was really sure how far inland Liberia's borders went. Basically, it was as much as they wanted or could grab. Nobody worried much about the natives; they were black and uncivilized. The Americo-Liberians were as racist as the slaveowners their ancestors had crossed the ocean to get away from. They sent their kids to school in the US to make sure they didn't get too African, and didn't even try to find out who lived in the jungle they'd claimed until the 1860s.

By the 1890s, you had the ultimate in, uh, black comedy: Liberian gunboats sailing upriver to bombard savage native tribes who were resisting civilization. In fact, they were resisting it too well: when the Americo-Liberian army marched inland to teach the Gola tribe a lesson, they got their cafe-au-lait asses kicked.

Liberian military history recovered its former glory in 1917, when Liberia formally joined the Allies against the Germans. There was panic among the General Staff in Berlin when the news arrived. But there was rejoicing in Monrovia, because it meant all German assets in Liberia could be seized and handed out to deserving Americo-Liberian pals.

But then unrest flared up inland, in darkest Liberia. The Americo-Liberian government sent a party to investigate. It turned out the tribes back there had heard a rumor that slavery was going to be abolished, and were outraged. The government explained it was just PR, a decree to impress the foreigners. But the natives were still restless, so the government had to send a big force to convince the Kru, the biggest tribe, to be peaceful by sacking their towns and killing off their warriors.

World War II was Liberia's golden age--by Liberian standards, that is. Once again the country took its stand for liberty, enlisting on the Allied side. But this time that actually meant something, because while WW I was basically a European war, WW II really was a worldwide deal. So the US set up some bases on the Liberian coast, with plenty of trickle-down for the locals. All kinds of fancy Western ideas started percolating through Monrovia. Women got the vote and in the early Sixties the Peace Corps did some of its earliest do-gooding in Liberia.

What did those kids actually do in the Corps, anyway? As far as I know, they just hugged a lot of dark-skinned people and meant well. It's kind of fun to think of these white American hippies' welcoming party in Monrovia, with all the snooty mulattoes in town sipping cocktails and warning them about those terribly, terribly primitive blacks one meets inland.

Liberia's biggest break ever came when some genius realized that since Liberia was officially a country--recognized since 1862, remember!--it had the right to sell ship registrations. Which it started doing, cut-rate, to every tramp steamer that didn't want to bother with lifeboats or safety inspections.

Which is why, every time an oil tanker goes aground while the captain was dead drunk, or comes apart mid-ocean, the papers call it "a Liberian-registered vessel." Your assurance of quality on the high seas.

That one's still a big money-spinner for Liberia. Actually Liberia was doing OK, by African standards, right up to the 70s. They'd had the same president from 1944 to 1971, an upstanding old guy with the great name of William Vacanarach Shadrach Tubman. With his suit and horn-rimmed glasses, he looks a little like Papa Doc Duvalier, the scary little dude who ruled Hatii at about the same time. But Tubman was a much more peaceful guy, who actually tried to include the inland tribes in the party. Investment picked up, schools got built, peace almost looked ready to break out. Almost.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:48 | 5127966 duo
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Joseph Conrad needs to re-write this.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:54 | 5127981 cougar_w
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Great piece.

The history of Liberia is really fascinating. More Americans ought to look into it. It's easy to write them off, but they seem like a scrappy bunch to me.

What a ride.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 21:34 | 5128106 nmewn
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My take on it (seriously) is America was formed from what it was and what it wanted to be. One almost has to transport themselves back through time to understand the "peculiar institution".

In the English colonies, slavery was "normal" just like many other european empires of the time. Slaves were property, its not normal by todays standards...but back then it was. Even virulent racists (north & south) knew deep down it wasn't humane, so it couldn't be normal, however it was institutionalized at the time of our founding and a part of the economy, so what was important (getting away from kings & queens) took precedence for "freemen".

So to Liberia, many didn't want the black race free HERE at alll. Others felt they had been done a great injustice and should be free, just not HERE. Still others wanted the stain of their own families involvement in bringing slaves HERE in the first place removed (they know who they are).

Thus, Liberia, many reasons mostly wrong.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 22:27 | 5128279 BKbroiler
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I was born in South Africa so a lot of that article about Liberia rings true.  The most racist folks there were the Zulu, because they considered themselves closer to white people, and would discriminate against all the less westernized blacks more than the whites did.  It was mostly dutch, german, and italians there back then, and the zulu were the most opposed to the apartheid ending because they knew the other blacks would have equal status to them, which they wouldn't tolerate.  Nobody really knows or appreciates that it's usually the natives who gladly take up against their own people in order to differentiate and ingratiate themselves with their occupiers.  Call it Stockholm syndrome if you want, but it's the rule more than the exception.  This isn't some racist thing (anyone on here who has seen my posts knows how much I hate racism), it's just the sad truth about human  nature.  

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:40 | 5127936 teslaberry
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this kind of behavior actually gives me pause to think more about the standard story of the black plague killing 1/3 of europe. 

 

perhaps the black plague was bad, but perhasp the majority of that 1/3 of europeans who died were actually dying from starvation and genocide perpetuated by the power brokers of that time who decided how the peasantry would be delt with in the name of stopping 'plague'. 

 

not trying to downplay plague so much as uplay the consequential human agitated destruction resulting from the response to the plague.

 

clearly, a lot more people are already dying from natural sickness starvation and police violence and now---thievery and looting ----inside these quarantined areas.  the plauge is the excuse for quarantining the anarchy that will bubble to the surface in one dreadful place. 

 

 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 02:17 | 5128731 Things that go bump
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Joanna of England, one of the daughters of Edward III died of plague in France in 1348 when she was 13 years old. She was being sent to Castile to marry the heir of Alphonso XI. Disease is no respecter of persons. It is an equal opportunity killer.  

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:40 | 5127940 cougar_w
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This is how a die-off starts; with nowhere to run.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 21:01 | 5128005 Cloud9.5
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A super computer simulation.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPwq_6pLxfw

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 21:42 | 5128139 TheReplacement
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Just make sure you can survive off the system for at least 90 days.  That will get you through the disease in the simulation.  Since the system will be completely gone at the end 90 days is just the start.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 02:21 | 5128736 Things that go bump
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90 days will bring us right into the start of winter. Survivors will be gnawing on each other long before any crops can be planted. 

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 20:56 | 5127991 q99x2
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That doesn't seem fair.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 21:06 | 5128029 homiegot
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Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson where are you?

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 21:18 | 5128062 Shad_ow
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No votes or donations there.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 00:51 | 5128634 California Nigh...
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No toilets, for Christ's Sake. 

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 21:23 | 5128067 Shad_ow
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Can we get a work visas for caddies for Obola from there? 

 

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/08/21/Obama-Considering-Uni...

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 21:49 | 5128163 c8089923
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Ok, let me get this straight.  Police have sealed off quarantine area so people can not leave.  But, police are mixing with quarantine folks without protective gear and then are going home to their families to spread whatever viruses they have come in contact with. This isn't going to end well.
Thu, 08/21/2014 - 21:50 | 5128166 Spungo
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Locked in without food? Yeah that sounds like government.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 21:58 | 5128195 trade4cash
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They should all fill super-soakers with bodily fluids and spray at the cops.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 22:06 | 5128227 marcusfenix
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what we are seeing here is nothing less than the complete destruction of country due to a viral outbreak. six months ago I would have thought this to be a plot that only existed in some sci fi horror novel. and other countries in the region are not fairing much better as this sisuation just continues to get grimmer each passing day.

there are suspected cases popping up all over the world fron India to Austria and Germany to the US, so far most have been reported negitive but for how much longer will our luck hold out? that is assuming these reports are even true and other cases are not being supressed in the intrest of preventing panic. I think an interview with a british doctor on the BBC may have let, at least in some small way, the cat out of the bag on the true scope of the outbreak, at least in Africa. in that interview he said that there was a need for enough of the experimental treatment to give to at least 30,000 people.

30,000 people and this fits nicely with the reports of tens of thousands of people being forcefully isolated in a desperate attempted to stop the spread of the virus. of course by the time these types of measures are taken it is out of nothing short of desperation and the virus has already evaded all attempts at containment.

my worry here at home is not really the immediate future as with the outbreak of spanish flu in the early 1900's it was not it's fist trip that was the most deadly, it was the follow up pandemic a year or so later that made history. it is believed that, as a virus will often due, it mutated after it's initial appearence which lead to a far more dangrous outbreak the second time around.

now consider that ebola has never ventured outside of central Africa until now and it has only spead among very small and undiverse populations. these populations offered largely the same types of resistaince to the virus which would mean it did not have much in the way of oppertunity or need to mutate. remember a virus is a living organisism that will do whatever it can to survive and ebola has a reputation for evolving and mutating quickly in order to overcome whatever anti viral treatments are used against it. in fact, it is not entirely clear that these exprimental treatments had any impact on the recovery of the two infected individuals who were brought to the US.

but now that this virus has made its way out into the wider world and has encountered different people with different immunities, different medications, different levels of resitence and access to healthcare services the question becomes in what way has it mutated already? and more importantly in what ways might it mutate in the future? you see, even if they manage to get this current outbreak under control without any major presence in the US, Europe or Asia the ebola will not be eradicted, it wil still exist.  and now that it has escaped outside of it's native area, ground zero for the next outbreak could be almost anywhere or even several different continents at once.

with the numbers of infected rapidly growing, the staggering amount of health care workes who have also fallen to ebola, the ever increasing number of suspected cases popping up all over the planet and an entire nation on the verge of being destroyed by it ebola seems to have adopted some disturbing traits, as if it is morphing into some kind of nightmare influenza right out of a sci fi horror movie or novel.

remember that back in 2008 the CDC was warning that the following summer and fall could bring with it an even worse outbreak of N1H1 that that pandemic? well, we got lucky and thast did not turn out to be the case. but imagine if a year from now the world was suddenly swept over by a virus that carried a 60% mortality rate and spread like the flu...  

   

     

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 22:18 | 5128262 samsara
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As always Marcus...  You bring it.  Great Post.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 23:19 | 5128447 Central Bankster
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 But right now we really have no concept of how infectious this disease is yet.  IE, If it escapes Africa (and I'm assuming it will), will it be transmitted similarily to the flu, so that literally dozens or more people on a plane will get sick, or will it remain somewhat difficult to become infected and only 1 or 2 who came into contact with this persons eating utensils/glassware etc?  We don't really know.  We also do not seem to have a great concept of how long a person is infectious and when during the incubation period someone is infectious to others.  We also don't know if the mortality rate will drastically drop as it becomes a problem in the Western world and we don't know if the virus will mutate to be less lethal/longer incubation as many have supposed (this of course drastically changes the way this plays out).  There are just too many things we don't know.  But I certainly agree that now that its spread to a major city, we have a whole new set of containment problems.  This lack of sanitation and proper sewage pretty much insures that this disease will be impossible to irradicate without quarantine (which may fail to work as well)  Another thing not being discussed lately are the risks that as this virus spreads within humans, human waste will be exposed to more wildlife and one must wonder if the virus may even find new hosts other than bats that could be carriers (over time).  This will increase the risks of outbreaks continuously happening over a more sustained period. 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 02:24 | 5128738 Jano
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come on!

this is only a local laboratory dry run.

Let us watch it in a large scale over the whole continent, maybe earth.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 03:54 | 5128810 ebear
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"remember a virus is a living organisism that will do whatever it can to survive "

Not to detract from the rest of your post, but it's important to be accurate when talking about something this serious.

Viruses are NOT living organisms.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/are-viruses-alive-2004/


Thu, 08/21/2014 - 22:14 | 5128253 RSDallas
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Scenes are very reminiscent of Ferguson, Missouri 

 

Really??????

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 22:35 | 5128316 knukles
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.... bkack people and cops in both

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 23:20 | 5128453 Bumbu Sauce
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Ferguson.  I thought this thread was about those africans.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 00:15 | 5128572 Falconsixone
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Looks like they just need to learn how to build a ladder, then they can run across all that tin roofing.

I feel there must be something of value to keep safe for the masters judging from the body armor on one side and the rags on the other.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 00:52 | 5128639 fibonacci's claus
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Africa is up for sale to the highest bidder goes the spoils,,,,,  and the vaccine.   MOOOOOAWhahahahahahahahahha

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 02:32 | 5128744 Jano
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OK. so they are locked in, in the neighbourhood. Without water and food.

So now somebody has to deliver the items to them.

This somebody will

1. earn good money

2. manipulate those people.

A good match for him.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 08:00 | 5129046 unicorn
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okay now, they ll ship food in. if usaid is involved, and they will, it will be gmo (genetically modified organisms, here crop), most of it containing a virus called cauliflower mosaic virus as a promoter (CaMV 35S Promoter). in the usa 54 of 86 authorised gm plants are containing it, see:
https://www.landesbioscience.com/article/21406/full_text/#load/info/all
what this virus can do, see also:
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/hazcamv.php
CaMV 35S Promoter is very promiscuitiv, can exchange genetic material with E.Coli or other viri (CaMV is a close relative to Hepatitis and HIV, can "talk" to them...).
if there are people, who planned a big thing, they certainly didnt overlook the whole problem.

(why a virus? cause without the virus the plant wont express the manipulation, the new gene, enough. a promoter makes it express the new dna without restrictions)

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 08:46 | 5129181 d edwards
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The knee-grows that (were) raising hell and looting Ferguson should see how their bruthas in Africa really live. They got kid-glove treatment; in Liberia they would have been shot on sight.

 

They ought to go home and thank God they live in the US.

BTW, how fucking stupid do you have to be to try to break IN to a place where you can contract (and spread) a contagious, deadly disease?

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