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Obamacare Is A Disaster For Businesses, Philly Fed Finds

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Remember all those allegations that Obamacare would be an unmitigated disaster for businesses, especially smaller companies? Well, now we have proof.

As the Philly Fed, which mysteriously soared at the headline level even as the vast majority of its components tumbled, reported moments ago, "in special questions this month, firms were asked qualitative questions about the effects of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) and how, if at all, they are making changes to their employment and compensation, including benefits."

What the survey found was very disturbing: not only did businesses report that as a result of Obamacare the number of workers they employ is lower than higher (18.2% vs 3.0%), that there has been an increase in part time jobs (18.2% higher vs 1.5% lower), leading to a big increase in outsourcing and most importantly, Obamacare costs are being largely passed on to customers (28.8% reporting higher vs 0.0% lower), the punchline was that while there is basically no change in the number of employees covered (17.6% higher vs 14.7% lower and 67.6% unchanged), there has been a big jump in Premiums, Deductibles, Out-of-pocket maximums, and Copays, which has been "matched" by a far greater reduction in the range of medical coverage and the size of the network.

In short a disaster.

And what's worse, this sentiment will persist long after the current subprime auto loan-driven manufacturing renaissance is long forgotten.

 

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Thu, 08/21/2014 - 12:11 | 5125430 Itchy and Scratchy
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Yeah ...fur sure she didn't know what wuz in it either!!!!!!!

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 12:25 | 5125480 GeezerGeek
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At least she takes care of her constituents while screwing the rest of the US.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/20/lawsuit-asks-san-francis...

 

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 11:24 | 5125265 headhunt
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Healthcare for 28 employees now over $350,000 per year!! That is with higher co-pay and less coverage.

If all of them were not so ugly I would tell the democrats/progressives/communists in our country to suck my big fat d**k!

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 11:40 | 5125329 Itchy and Scratchy
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'You didn't build that!' - The Kenyan

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 12:34 | 5125517 Bear
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"But I'll sure rip it apart!!" ... The Kenyan

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 11:42 | 5125331 Catullus
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That's $6.25/hr they have to earn for you just to their health insurance expense.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 11:24 | 5125269 Itchy and Scratchy
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Looks like the Ebola doctor is all set to recieve Obamacare patients!

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 11:39 | 5125319 Hellone
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Pointing out my time here that sum kinda ritual or sumthn? i been reading articles for a while now around here jus didnt create an account but THE FILTHY WHITEY DOG GOYIM MUST NO THERE PLACE ON THE PECKING ORDER...YOU WERE BORN TO SERVE THE BABYLONIAN PRINCES OF THE TALMUD, THE FUCKS YOUR GODDAM PROBLEM?

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 13:44 | 5125765 Oldwood
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Take a drive to Ferguson. I think someone is looking for you there.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 11:39 | 5125320 himaroid
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And doctors paid less to deal with the nasty fsa. Mark law enforcement and medical off whitey's career list.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 11:40 | 5125322 Skip
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Clinton tried to get Hillarycare passed but it never had a chance. The country has now changed enough demographically that the Demonrats were able to pass Obamacare. Just like the 1965 immigration law which changed it from White to 3rd world, this is another knife in the heart of America.

And you know they will NOT let us vote our way out of this...

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 11:46 | 5125344 Catullus
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Obamacare is the republican alternative offered in the early 90s as a counter to Hillarycare.

They just stole the platform and re-branded it

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 12:16 | 5125448 hootowl
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Watch Karl Rove and the Repugnican RINOs jump on the OvomitCare and Amnesty bandwagon right after the November elections.

 

Starve the beast!!!

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 13:47 | 5125780 Oldwood
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Republicans are already talking of modifying ACA now, rather than dumping it. They see the power, the control it provides and like the ring that rules them all, they just can't make themselves throw it in the fires of Mordor....Fuckers!

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 11:40 | 5125326 SMC
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At least the Obummer regime exhibits epic incompetence at every level. Imagine how screwed we would be if they were good at their jobs.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 11:43 | 5125334 Itchy and Scratchy
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Amerika: Home of Cuban Health Kare!

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 11:48 | 5125347 fibonacci's claus
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what a complete and utter scam!  here's one for you.  talking to a friend of mine who runs work comp clinics in chicago.  all illiegal aliens.  claims paid by AIG and Liberty mutual mostly.  Illegals get work comp even if they are illegal!  he says they get better care than americans!  back surgeries, knee surgeries, shoulders, etc. 

Everyone I know who is a good doc is getting out of the business.  ICD10 codes just came out.  Through HIPPA they changed the codes from like 17000 to 1400000!  So now we have a global socialist system of coding in health care.  Also they are bringing the codex here from europe.  The codex will outlaw vitamin sales and regulate so instead of being able to buy 100 gm you can only get 5mg.  This is for real and obama is ushering it in.  The story about death panels is true.  They are killing off the baby boomers!  The whole industry has been consolidated and the government and the insurance industry is behind it.  Obama care is a tax and kill program.  Tax and death panels.  and they are trying to make it illegal for docs to have cash practices.  Complete and utter scam.  If people knew what was coming they would be in the streets like furgeson! 

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 12:02 | 5125401 atthelake
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And, still, we do nothing.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 13:22 | 5125684 Eahudimac
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What can you do? You think not paying taxes will solve the problem? It's a start but most people do not have the balls to suffer the consequences if they stop paying. Team Lois Lerner will catch up to you and they will ruin your life forever. I've seen it happen. Is it better to pay and go about your business or not pay and wind up broke and constantly being harrassed by the IRS?

Despite all of the end of the world, collapse of the dollar, death of the USA talk, nothing has really changed except the elite (I hate that word) continue to gain more power and control and the sheep cheer them on. This shit will still be going on 50 years from now. TPTB has achieved the right mix of dependancy and ignorance to continue to get away with it. Unless I or my family is directly threatened, all I can do is sit back and watch the uninformed kill each other, like in Ferguson. There comes a point where people will choose to fight to the death rather than live under tyrranny. I don't think we've had that in the US since the civil war. The people who  really need to feel the tyrranny are the middle class who are still too brainwashed to understand what is happening to them. They are going to have to lose everything and see their friends and family murdered by the government before they will wake up. 

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 13:54 | 5125814 Oldwood
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There is only one way. Stop buying...anything. Minimize your expenditures so as to starve the beast. It is money that fuels them. We can't legally stop paying taxes, but we can stop buying shit, especially the bullshit. Toys and crap. It would be tough but it is the only nonviolent way that keeps us within the law and outside of their immediate reach. No one EVER said liberty came cheap, but I don't think we need go Rambo on them. Simply take their power away. The reality is that the majority will do nothing until it is way far too late, but maybe if we lead by example without impaling ourselves on a spike, others might take it up. especially if we actually found our lives to be better, less stressed and fruitful without all the bullshit. Just sayin...but you go first!

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 12:38 | 5125524 Farmer Joe in B...
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It'll have to fully come home to roost before your typical american will wake up (similar to the sudden eye-opening recently regarding police militarization)...

We live in a country chock full of apathetic morons.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 13:47 | 5125779 pocomotion
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Fibonacci,

When this news hit back in 2010 -- Carlyle group buys NBTY taking it private:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/15/AR201007...

I messed my pants then and I'm about to mess them again.  Take away vitamins, damage the food via GMO and things on our bodies start failing or falling off.

 

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 11:50 | 5125351 MathWins
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Freakin' idiots.  The consequences of this law were obvious to anyone owning a business from the beginning and to anyone else that didn't have their head stuck up the Democrats' collective bumm.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 12:05 | 5125408 Itchy and Scratchy
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No one owns anything in our new Hope & Change world!

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 11:52 | 5125360 Hellone
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fibonacci +1

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 11:59 | 5125391 atthelake
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All of it has been about destroying America, Americans and the dollar. A side benefit is taking our money and giving it to their owners. And, still, we do nothing.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 12:12 | 5125434 hootowl
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Drop out.  Join the underground economy.

If you are still allowing the fed thugs to illegally confiscate your earnings, you are financing your own economic demise, and that of your children and grandchildren.  Grow a pair.  Stand on your own feet and keep what you earn.

Starve the beast!!!!

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 12:32 | 5125508 Bear
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I have ... my only income is from interest

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 11:59 | 5125393 Little Boomer
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You guys are forgetting the $2500 per family we are all going to save.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 12:31 | 5125500 Bear
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I'm pissed ... I only saved $2495

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 12:12 | 5125418 Itchy and Scratchy
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I'm just glad the politicians are exempt from Obamacare! I wuz seriously worried 'bout that!

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 12:29 | 5125497 Bear
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I hope they get free contraceptives, cause they're screwing us constantly

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 12:30 | 5125499 Robert of Ottawa
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I don't understand how lawmakers can make laws that do not apply to themselves. /rhetoric

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 12:10 | 5125426 Lord Koos
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But, it's the opposite of a disaster for big business, which was the whole point.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 12:11 | 5125431 vegasjack
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Thu, 08/21/2014 - 12:13 | 5125438 Atomizer
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It's exciting. We don't know what's in it, but this is exciting. We have established a new mandatory revenue stream. Yet, no one has read the bill 

 

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QV7dDSgbaQ0

 

 

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 12:16 | 5125447 Itchy and Scratchy
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She is absolutely adorable! She can't stop doin' stuff 4 us! I luv her so much!

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 12:35 | 5125515 dontgoforit
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"....away from the fog of controversy."  Really?  What fog would that be, Nancy?  All your facials and hand-waving doe nothing except support the fact that you are a certifiable, raving, bitch-lunatic with not a fucking clue in your empty-headed basket.  Cunt, insider-cheating fucking slut.

Now, let me tell you how I really feel about her.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 12:15 | 5125444 world_debt_slave
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thankfully at my employer I got a Health Savings Account, screw 'em

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 12:19 | 5125457 NEOSERF
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Sometimes the unintended consequences are AS PLAIN AS THE NOSE ON YOUR EGOTISTIC FACE...I am sure Obama will go to his grave deluding himself this was the right thing to do from a humanitarian perspective, no matter that it accelerated the slow motion train wreck that was already in progress.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 12:28 | 5125490 Bear
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It had to be done ... to prepare the way for all the illegal immigrants that would be arriving

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 12:33 | 5125486 Itchy and Scratchy
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I'm thrilled Sandy Fluke now gets all the free condoms she needs!    'Change In Amerika Doesn't Start From The Top Down ... It Starts From The Bottom Up!'

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 12:36 | 5125519 TheABaum
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IF she needs free birth control (despite donating thousands to political campaigns), we need to spend more on vision  care.  

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 12:31 | 5125503 Itchy and Scratchy
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Brilliant legislation that has paved the way for subsidized gender reassignments for a new generation of transgendered citizenery! 'Our Time For Change!'

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 12:31 | 5125507 Farmer Joe in B...
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Just a poll....  easily written off and forgotten about....

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 12:33 | 5125510 Lumberjack
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Yep, that'll teach em... Instead of of pouring cold water on the situation they will use gasoline instead.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 12:34 | 5125516 TheABaum
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And more than half are changing their plan, so much for "if you like your plan...".

 

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 12:38 | 5125525 Fix It Again Timmy
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This announcement is on par with the CDC saying that the Ebola virus is bad for your health....

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 12:52 | 5125574 Puncher75
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Hope & Change dummies!!

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 12:55 | 5125581 Eahudimac
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Facts are for rayciss teabaggers.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 12:56 | 5125588 joego1
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For what I pay for my wife and I for medical premiums for shitty insurance I could live in another country very comfortably, including medical insurance. I'm thinking about that very seriously.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:04 | 5125854 Leraconteur
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So move. Now.

This often is overlooked, but the income Americans waste on useless healthcare is more than you need to live a well off life elsewhere. It's a trap and an over priced one at that.

You don't even need insurance because costs are so low in many nations that you can self insure and pay cash.

Have a heart attack? Need surgery? Do you have $10k or $20k in cash? Then move and pay cash for the procedure if you need it done.

If you don't and fear illness, then stay chained to the USA.

The average life long blue collar or office worker who kept at it will pull down 2500/month in SS along with another 1250 for the spouse.

Do you have any idea what that will buy you in most of this planet, even if you have no other assets? You could get rid of the USA cost collar and open a guest house somewhere and pay every single expense with $1k of that 3k/month and make money on the business or just kick back.

It requires courage to make the leap.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 12:57 | 5125590 A82EBA
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What kind of health insurance did americans have in the '50s?

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 13:08 | 5125635 Itchy and Scratchy
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Sadly no gender reassignment coverage! :(

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 13:09 | 5125639 WillyGroper
Thu, 08/21/2014 - 13:31 | 5125720 SamuelMaverick
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WillyGroper, that Wyoming Institute website is a joke / satire website.  Not real .

 

                            Maverick

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 17:02 | 5126802 WillyGroper
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Thanks Maverick. 

Duh.

I'd just scanned it after reading about 802.22, NATO K, L, M band frequencies with energy directed weapons being deployed in the LA jails. 

It wouldn't surprise me if there was truth to it after what I just read. 

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 13:10 | 5125647 Itchy and Scratchy
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Any good lawyer will tell you the best laws & legislation enacted are the ones nobody reads, debates, or analyzes! Just sign & enjoy!  

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:57 | 5126140 MachoMan
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The best lawyer will tell you that it doesn't matter how much a law is debated, the side who can grease the most palms shall win.  Aside from the fact that no one actually needs to read proposed legislation to debate it...  just for show (god knows lawyers don't actually read the law before arguing about it).

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 13:13 | 5125656 lreichel
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My company of 38 has a 9.1.14 medical plan year start.  Premiums increased 46% and coverage declined.   Wait till year end for calendar year businesses see the impact.   It's a giant fustercluck.   

 

 

 

 

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 13:17 | 5125668 Itchy and Scratchy
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Your community owns your company!

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:30 | 5125976 1stepcloser
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You didn't build that cluster fuck... someone else did

 

-Dear Leader

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 13:29 | 5125712 crazybob369
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OMG! Who could have seen this coming?

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 13:55 | 5125813 Jano
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28 Employees in Slovakia would cost you 28.000 anually. In Austria , I asume a median wage, 110.000.

I do not understand, if the US medication is that better, or the money is siphoned off(probably)

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 13:58 | 5125826 Oldwood
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Its a TAX

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:59 | 5125975 honestann
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Health care in the USSA is terrible, horrible, abysmal!  Of course, the majority of sheeple-chimps in the USSA just accept the mainstream media propaganda claim that healthcare in the USSA is top notch.  Nothing could be further from the truth for 99.9999% of healthcare issues.  And for that crappy healthcare you pay several times to hundreds of times more than elsewhere.

How bad is healthcare in the USSA?  Well, consider this.  More people die from accidents and such in Mexico (because they are so poor, and so many individuals attempt to fix things for themselves when they don't know what they're doing), but if you remove deaths by violence and accident from the statistics, life expectancy in Mexico is higher than the USSA.  The reason?  If you take the time to dig into the statistics, you'll find the primary reason is... they suffer so many fewer healthcare disasters because they either totally avoid official healthcare (doctors and hospitals), or because they only get treatment when they definitely need it.  So they have better results even as their healthcare expenses are about 100 times lower.

As everyone here knows, I have few friends, and I've never had many friends.  But when I was living in the USSA, two friends with health issues but in absolutely no danger of dying... were killed by the hospitals (ages 23 and 45).  And they almost killed me too by not giving me a cheap antibiotic in their effort to pretend a certain disease didn't exist in that tourist area of the country, when it most certainly did.  Fortunately for me, I was able to quickly diagnose myself and get the necessary antibiotic unofficially in time, or I'd be able to give you three known cases of "death caused by healthcare system" rather than two... except I wouldn't be here to convey the information.  Nobody else I knew died from accidents, violence or any other causes (though I didn't really know very many old people).

Seriously.  With very few exceptions, the healthcare system in the USSA is 100% focused on stealing as much money from people as possible, especially when people are in desparate situations.  And believe it or not, this has become so thoroughly institutionalized, the doctors and other so-called healthcare workers don't give a damn whether they kill people or not.  Like most people, they get used to whatever environment they experience for a long time, no matter how revolting.  The few of them who start out caring, become scandalized when they come to understand the nature of the system, but find out in no uncertain terms that they will be protected and defended if they abuse patients in the officially mandated ways, and destroyed if they attempt to actually help anyone by "bending the rules".

If you want to remain healthy, stay away from the USSA.

If you are sick or getting old, get away from the USSA.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:53 | 5126112 homiegot
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Fist bumps all around.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 05:18 | 5128843 Youri Carma
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AND WHERE’S THERE A FUNDING? http://youtu.be/EYa_fhLkg5c?t=10s

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