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U.S. Wants to Bomb ISIS In Syria ... Maybe We Should (cough) First Stop ARMING THEM?
U.S. foreign policy is schizophrenic.
The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff says we need to attack the Sunni militants in Syria.
The deputy national security adviser to President Obama says we should go after ISIS in Syria.
Okay …
But the U.S. and our closest allies have long supported Sunni militants.
And the U.S. and our closest allies have been arming and training Islamic jihadists in Syria for years. And see this, this, this and this.
You don’t have to be a rocket scientist or a fortune-teller to have known this was a bad idea.
As Michael Shank – Adjunct Faculty and Board Member at George Mason University’s School for Conflict Analysis and Resolution, and director of foreign policy at the Friends Committee on National Legislation – warned a year ago:
The Senate and House Intelligence committees’ about-face decision last week to arm the rebels in Syria is dangerous and disconcerting. The weapons will assuredly end up in the wrong hands and will only escalate the slaughter in Syria. Regardless of the vetting procedures in place, the sheer factionalized nature of the opposition guarantees that the arms will end up in some unsavory hands. The same militant fighters who have committed gross atrocities are among the best-positioned of the rebel groups to seize the weapons that the United States sends to Syria.
Congress can still join with the 70 percent of Americans who oppose arming Syria rebels and heed former National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski’s caution against arming the rebels (he called the Obama administration’s decision to do so “a mess in the making“) ….
Arming one side of Syria’s multi-sided and bloody civil war will come back to haunt us. Past decisions by the U.S. to arm insurgencies in Libya, Angola, Central America and Afghanistan helped sustain brutal conflicts in those regions for decades. In the case of Afghanistan, arming the mujahideen in the 1980s created the instability that emboldened extreme militant groups and gave rise to the Taliban, which ultimately created an environment for al Qaeda to thrive.
There is no unified command or control in the Syrian opposition, as was the case of the Afghan mujahideen. And due to the United States’ long history of diplomatically isolating Syria, we know even less about the nature of Syria’s opposition. The excuse that “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” is often invoked to justify anti-Assad forces. This short-sighted excuse has gained the U.S. enemies around the world, undermining U.S. national security. The same justification was used by the Bush administration in its collaboration with the Assad regime to torture suspected militants in Syria. Arming the enemies of our enemies hasn’t made the U.S. more friends; it has made the U.S. more enemies.
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Some armed opposition factions, including powerful Islamist coalitions, reject negotiation altogether. Yet these are the same groups that will likely seize control of U.S.-supplied weapons, just as they’ve already seized control of the bulk of the rebels’ weaponry.
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When you lift the curtain on the armed groups with the most formidable military presence on the ground in Syria, you find the Al Nusra Front and Al Farough Brigades. Both groups are closely aligned with Al Qaeda and have directly perpetrated barbaric atrocities. The Al Nusra Front has been charged with beheadings of civilians, while a commander from the Al Farough Brigades reportedly ate the heart of a pro-Assad soldier.
Shank’s warning was ignored, and his worst fears came to pass.
And the U.S. is still financing the jihadis in Syria. For example, the government is pushing an additional $500 million in arms to the jihadis.
We are literally bombing our own weapons.
A similar dynamic is operating in Iraq. Specifically, the U.S. is now arming the “Peshmerga” (i.e. the Kurdish soldiers).
But the Wall Street Journal notes that there are reports that Peshmerga are fighting side-by-side with the PKK … a group designated as terrorists by the U.S.:
A U.S. defense official couldn’t confirm whether the meeting took place and stressed in response to reports that the PKK was fighting alongside the Peshmerga that “it’s hard to tell from Washington who’s on the front line in a Kurdish-Iraqi fight.”
The U.S. has designated the PKK a terrorist organization, and the U.S. “doesn’t do business with them,” the official added.
By arming the Peshmerga, the U.S. is also putting weapons into the hands of the PKK.
If we stop arming, funding and training terrorists, then maybe we won’t have to bomb them later.
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"U.S. foreign policy is schizophrenic."
Indeed, it is almost impossible to exaggerate the degree to which that is the REAL SITUATION.
In my opinion, there is no reasonable doubt that the events on 9/11/2001 were an inside job, false flag attack, and I believe it was very probable that Zionists were behind that, in order to blame it on Muslims. In order to understand how it was possible for that false flag attack to become so successful, one has to look at a lot of historical facts, in which each dot of data can then be connected into an overall picture. The Anglo-American Empire is so dominated by Zionists that I tend to describe it as the Anglo-American (Zionist) Empire. In my view, that is the primary reason WHY "U.S. foreign policy is schizophrenic."
The basic social pyramid systems that surround us now are debt slavery backed by wars based on deceits. REMEMBER THE "MONEY" BEING USED TO "PAY" FOR THOSE WARS IS BEING MADE OUT OF NOTHING AS DEBTS! That is the primary reason why "war is a racket, which benefits the banksters." The most tragic aspect of that is there is no reasonable doubt that is going to get WAY WORSE, while there are no politically practical ways to do anything to prevent that situation from automatically deteriorating, towards levels of psychotic insanities which we can not fully comprehend nor imagine!
Almost all the successful politicians are the banksters' puppets. The vast majority of the people receive the vast majority of their information from a handful of enormous media corporations. The social pyramid systems converge towards the pyramidion people, in which groups the frequencies of Zionists are so great that the administration of the American government blends in with Zionists, to overlap to a great degree. Furthermore, that appears to also be the case throughout most NATO countries, all of which are dominated by the same international banksters' systems, and all of which governments appear extremely unbalanced in similar ways that the governments in North America are.
I regard the basic mechanisms behind this as having been developing for thousands of years, through the history of warfare, in which success was based on backing up deceits with destruction, and spies were the most important soldiers. Nobody has a monopoly on the principles and methods of organized crime, however, different groups, in different times and places, become the best at implementing the techniques of organized crime, in order to be able to dominate the political processes, and capture control over governments.
The government of the USA has more and more been taken over by the international bankers, for at least a Century, while for several decades the government of the USA has more and more been developing a foreign policy that served those international bankers, in ways which largely overlapped with advancing the interests of Zionists. (Note, I am NOT arguing in favour of Islamic states, which I regard as just another kind of organized crime gang. Indeed, I regard these conflicts as between different kind of competing, completely crazy, organized crime gangs.)
To be frank, I believe that society is already terminally screwed up, sick and insane, to a degree where there are no ways to imagine how it can recover. There is no practical political point in even bothering to state what I have stated above, while doing so is more probably going to backfire against me personally, rather than otherwise change anything politically significant. After spending thousands of hours attempting to figure out the "war on terror" from the perspective that the events on 9/11/2001 were an inside job, false flag attack, deliberately designed to get that "war on terror" going, and drive that to get a bad as it could possibly be made to do, what I currently expect is the overall strategy is to continue "arming, funding and training terrorists," enough to create conditions where it will become necessary to start to "bomb them later" with weapons of mass destruction, which will kill hundreds of millions, if not billions of people.
After thinking about this for quite a while, I find it impossible to avoid the conclusion that we are collectively doomed. Civilization is controlled by the people who were the best at being dishonest and backing that up with violence. The entire political economy is based on enforced frauds. The debt slavery backed by wars based on deceits has driven that debt slavery to develop numbers which have become debt insanities. There appears no practically possible ways to resolve that problem than for it to provoke death insanities.
It is impossible to exaggerate the degree to which civilization is being controlled by the maximum possible deceits and frauds. There is almost no chance of any better resolutions of those runaway problems, because not only are the established systems operated by the best professional liars and immaculate hypocrites, but also, almost all of the controlled opposition groups are dominated by similar personalities. The "war on terror" was deliberately started and advanced by the ruling classes that controlled the governments of the USA and NATO countries. There is no end in sight to how much worse that is going to get, because there is practically no significant opposition, that does not also share in the same basic bullshit world views. Rather, it appears increasingly probable that collectively insanity will suddenly jump up quantum levels, or become orders of magnitude worse, towards Peak Insanities, within the foreseeable future.
My plaintiff refrain here is that we should be going through a series of intellectual scientific revolutions, in order to understand human civilizations as general energy systems, with a radical critique of the concept of entropy, so that we have more coherent theories to cope with the ways that governments have become the biggest form of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals. While it makes sense how and why that situation developed in the past, however, that history has now created results that have become psychotically insane, as demonstrated by the degree to which "U.S. foreign policy is schizophrenic," while that is headed towards the use of weapons of mass destruction in the foreseeable future, unless there is some series of technological miracles, along with even greater political miracles, to perhaps prevent or mitigate that tragic trajectory.
Well, RM... there is much we can agree on and much we can't.
You are correct, obviously, when you point the finger at cheap money... cheap money has historically financed decadence and empire building as I am quite certain everyone on this site is painfully aware. You also correctly identify the same fallacies of motive and reasoning in all opposition groups logically concluding that there is no way out of current circumstances, only through. Man will no doubt be subject to the consequences of his folly.
At this point, however, you stumble.
We do not need a revolution in the sciences in order to understand human civilizations... or even energy systems and entropy as much as these latter, at least on the surface, as you are referencing social and not material implications, fall more under the purview of the sciences. On the one hand science, and by implication the pseudosciences as well, is man's understanding of man's world. Yet, you argue, again correctly, that it is exactly this understanding that leads man to destruction time and again. In fact, were you to apply your open question of entropy to philosophy you might conclude there was a natural entropy to human thought. In other words, humankind's best thinking always leads to his doom. This is a cycle that has been repeated through 6000 years of human history, and if you are waiting for that great thinker to come along and straighten all of this out I personally believe that he has been here and gone. The good news is that He is coming back.
There is this thing called human nature... you talk all around the beast but you never quite identify it. Humans are bound by this nature whether you believe that man's condition is spiritual, as I do, or material, as seems to be your position. Man's nature offers no hope. This does not mean there is hope.... maybe there isn't... Perhaps the story of humankind is nothing more than a fleeting moment of utter despair punctuated on both sides by cold, senseless apathy. But I do not believe this.
I have hope RM... not because I want it... frankly, it would be easier not to care, but because everything I have come to understand about this world, those thousands of hours of research and contemplation you reference above, tells me that hope is real. But my hope is not in man... rather, it is in the One who made me... and you, RM...
Well, Lordflin, I cling to what I regard as irrational hope, because I would rather have some hope, instead of none at all. At the same time, I try to provide myself with some philosophical consolidations.
I regard Energy as Spirit. Therefore, I see no fundamental dichotomy between the material world versus the spiritual world, because the special theory of relativity proves that matter is an extremely concentrated form of energy. Therefore, I regard the material world as the product of intensified spirituality.
On the other hand, I associate the concept of entropy with evil. However, I do that only after going through a radical critique of the classical concept of entropy, again due to the special theory of relativity proving that the time/space continuum is nothing like common sense and classical physics believed, that time and space were independent absolutes.
Pretty well everything I think is the result of attempting to do a creative synthesis of post-modernizing science with ancient mysticism. However, in the context, I still see no practical ways for human civilizations, that have become totally dominated by systems of enforced frauds, to be able to avoid the longer term consequences of having done that. Those consequences are going to extremely horrible for human beings, especially the younger human beings, or those not yet born, because everything that systems of enforced frauds do is maximize the short-term benefits in ways which simultaneously maximize the longer term costs. The basic debt slavery system is, by definition, destroying the future, because the future was forced to fraudulently pay for things that were done in the past, and at the present time. That fraud will eventually catch up with us, as the tipping points are reached where the longer term costs overwhelm the shorter term benefits.
However, despite there necessarily being psychotic breakdowns of the established systems of legalized lies backed by legalized violence, which will manifest as severe social storms, none of that means that energy stops being conserved. Therefore, the spiritual world continues, even though lots of human beings may die miserably, in horrible ways, due to the runaway debt slavery, driving debt insanity, that caused death insanities.
After all, the full set of possible cosmic events includes relatively rare natural disasters, as well as man-made disasters. None of those destroy energy, so, in my view, none of those challenge the ways that the spiritual world flows on and on ... However, for many finite human beings, world war using weapons of mass destruction would be too terrible to be able to imagine, and yet, that appears to be the path that we are on now, since the people who dominate our civilization are able to continue to pull off successful false flag attacks, and thus, promote the vicious spiral of more terrorism, whereby it becomes so insane that Americans are paying (in the sense of going deeper into debt) to arm "terrorists" ... and then, Americans are paying to blow up those weapons!
Anyway, Lordflin, my sort of self-made philosophy/religion is the result of the ways that post-modernizing sciences have reconverged towards ancient mysticism. That is the way that I asymptotically approach my conceptions regarding "the One who made me ... and you." That is what provides me with some transcendental poetry, or philosophical consolations, although that does not appear to provide any practical ways to prevent the established social systems from becoming more psychotically insane, as demonstrated by the degree to which "U.S. foreign policy is schizophrenic."
“Hope is the worst of evils, for it prolongs the torment of man”
-Nietzsche
Yes Lordflin, hope is a reality for many, similar to the way that wishes are. Many people have it, live by it. What hope asserts has no necessary versimilitude beyond its existence as a meme in a mind, one that no doubt that has local advantage in natural selection.
"you stumble" is a rather presumptious phrasing when followed by proclamation of hope for a deus ex machina.
If you ask an average Ameican on the street how many world trade center buildings collapsed on 9/11, you very likely will get the answer "2". I have long come to the realization that if people are stupid enough to believe what they wre told and cannot see beyond the lies, they deserve to suffer the consequence. 9/11 false flag mobilized the US to do the dirty job of destroying Iraq but that is nothing comapre to what is coming down the pipeline. Right now the US is made to try to weaken the Russian who stands in the way of the destruction of Syria and Iran, WW3 be damned. ISIS was the tool , too bad they also have their own agenda but what does Israel care if ISIS will strike the US. So the US foreign policy is NOT schizophrenic at all - it is just because the people running it do not give a damn about the US . They only care about Israel and the Us happen to have the strongest military in the world. The US, its people its economy, and its reputation are to be used to further their WRITTEN goal of breaking up the middle East Arab countries into small controllable pieces.
There is no military industral complex to blame the wars on. Those assholes may have a bias in promoting war but they are just individuals and not organized. I dont think any of them care about their shareholders enough to try to instigate wars after wars. Money is not strong enough a reason for stirring up wars year after year. The only thing that can last decades is the survival instinct of a people. The instinct of "Israel above all" will not only drag the US into wars but will destroy the world but these short sighted people who believe they are smarter than everyone else will stop at nothing until they feel safe - which means never.
If you ask an average guy on the street in Europe about 9/11, you might get a very different answer. Recently I was really suprised by most people around me saying the 9/11 events were an inside job. All of them knew about WTC7 having fallen without being hit by anything, without any reason. Beside that it is astounding how many professional groups in USA have expressed their doubts about the official narratives. It's just silly when a gov bureacrat is trying to convince an engineer how things work.
I agree, Bioscale, North Americans appear to be collectively the most brainwashed to believe in bullshit by their mass media, and so, tend to presume they already know what is happening, when what they "know" is false.
By the way, in Canada, there is a slightly similar pattern, to what you suggested regarding Europe, in that the Francophone news media, mainly operating out of the province of Quebec in Canada, are less stupid than the Anglophone news media.
It seems that those more towards the top of the Anglo-American (Zionist) Empire, (or at least those who believe they are more towards the top of that Empire) tend to naturally believe in the biggest bullies' bullshit stories more. In my view, the English speaking Canadians tend to be some of the politically stupidest people on the planet, due to the degree to which they are still able to be comfortable inside of their delusions, while the economic bubbles in Canada have NOT yet popped, as they have in many other countries.
(People who are still able to enjoy strip-mining the planet, to a greater than ever degree, do not have to start to think about there being anything wrong with doing that.)
There is no doubt that you are right, Joenobody12, that the majority of Americans are NOT aware that 3 buildings suddenly collapsed in New York, on 9/11/2001. The strongest evidence that 9/11 must have been an inside job is evidence that I suggest at least 90% of Americans do not have the slightest clue about, since they are so clueless that they are utterly unaware of how clueless they are!
However, I always have a hard time accepting your view that "I have long come to the realization that if people are stupid enough to believe what they wre told and cannot see beyond the lies, they deserve to suffer the consequence."
I have a similar attitude towards adults that continue to be deliberately ignorant. BUT, the consequences of that evil deliberate ignorance will primarly be worse future suffering for children, who could not be reasonably be held accountable for not knowing any better.
Meanwhile, I tend to believe that there are almost infinite tunnels of deceits, where the lies are different at every level. I am NOT sure that Israel is not just another pawn, in a criminally insane situation, where the strategists have out smarted themselves! I am of the view that not all Jews are Zionists, and not all Zionists are Jews. Furthermore, I am suspect that the levels of evil deliberate ignorance, due to the series of levels of lies backed by violence, are still beyond my current understanding or comprehension.
My view is that the people controlling the world are basically like other human beings, in that they are primarily the result of psychological and political habits, which were selected for during human history, but which are still primarily only habits, which habits do NOT have to be rational nor intelligent anymore. Just because something worked in the past does NOT mean it will continue working in the future. My basic view is that the ruling classes, whose history resulted in them having their kinds of psychological and political habits, have become criminally insane!
I continue to think that there was merely one short-term sequence of events after another, in which context the selection for intelligence was the internalization of natural selection, BUT, that only went so far! Just because there was some groups which were the best organized gangs of criminals, in some places, for some of time (as appears to be the case regarding how the international banksters and Zionists have been able to capture effective control of the government of the USA, while the majority of Americans were reduced to becoming Zombie Sheeple), does NOT mean that the banksters that appeared to promote the creation of Israel, and had enough control over the UK and USA to enable that to happen, really have any higher consciousness regarding what they are doing, or what will become the actual longer term consequences from having done that.
I think that we all now share in the paradox of final failure from too much "success," while the ruling classes are leading the way towards those kinds of outcomes. I REPEAT: civilization has become criminally insane, through and through, and is headed towards Peak Insanities, in which situation the ruling classes have actually lost control. I believe that human beings no longer are able to control the consequences of what they were able to do, through persistently enforcing frauds, and thereby allowing attitudes of evil deliberate ignorance to enable criminally insane strategies to be implemented.
I feel so sad, that it is too bad, that children, and probably those not yet born, will suffer the consequences, of a world where wolves in sheep's clothing have been able to trick enough of "We the People" to become Zombie Sheeple, and so get trapped into situations of runaway debt slavery, backed by wars based on deceits, spinning out of control towards unprecedented collapses into crazy chaos. I believe that the wolves have developed mad sheep disease. Therefore, as the Zombie Sheeple get fleeced to exhaustion, and set up to be slaughtered, the ruling classes, who were selected by history to become the foremost men that prey on men, have become too criminally insane to prevent themselves from destroying themselves too, due to their own criminally insane madness.
If that was not the case, then things would not be so terrible to contemplate. However, in my view things are worse than we can comprehend or imagine, because the combination of the ruling classes and those they rule over are together a total system of lies backed by violence, which has made itself become too criminally insane to recover. I do NOT believe that the ruling classes fully understand the weapons that they are risking, while I am sure that the vast majority of people deliberately do not want to understand, the astronomically amplified scale upon which the established systems of enforced frauds are driving MAD consequences.
Nothing in the thousands of years of previous human history based on backing up lies with violence was adapted to science and technology becoming trillions of times more powerful and capable, while that is headed towards quadrillions. The ruling classes do NOT understand that. The ruling classes merely have historically selected psychological and political habits, which have become runaway criminal insanities. Therefore, I must agree with your conclusion, Joenobody12: civilization being controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals "will not only drag the US into wars but will destroy the world."
Preach, brother. Excellent summary.
btw--it's "plaintive".
Thanks, Optimusprime, for pointing out that I used the wrong word, which sounds the same. Since I was the "Plaintiff" in court cases against the Canadian government so much, for so long, I had mistakenly blended that word with "plaintive," without noticing.
Of course, I would like what I asserted to be an argument, that could go forward, rather than more sadly being stuck in the doldrums, where the demonstrable facts about events like 9/11 make no practical political difference. In the context of Canada, ALL of the political parties that are represented in Parliament will not allow anyone associated with them to question the official story about what happened in 9/11/2001. Despite there being an overwhelming abundance of publicly available evidence that the official story is absurd, there is nobody in the controlled opposition that will publicly challenge the official story regarding 9/11. At the same time, the Conservative government in Canada is dominated by Crazy Christian Zionists, who are also totally supporting the demonization of Russia, in ways which numerous recent Zero Hedge articles have demonstrated are also absurd, and which are even more psychotically insane things to do.
Therefore, it is wishful thinking that more radical truth could become the assertion of a plaintiff, taking action against the huge lies that dominate NATO countries. However, in fact, those huge lies almost totally dominate the established systems, as well as the controlled opposition, to the degree that there is no feasible way to reasonably doubt that those systems of lies backed by violence are utterly out of control, and going to get way worse.
In the Canadian context, 9/11 resulted in considerably more than 100 billion dollars being transferred to the Canadian military/industrial complex, while in the USA it was trillions and trillions! The established systems of making money from war, which promoted the "war on terror" to become a runaway self-fulfilling prophesy, continue to make those engaged in that become more wealthy, and more powerful. The fact that overall they are irreparably destroying the life of the whole planet, as well as driving irreconcilable social polarization, are longer term consequences, which have no way to prevent the short-term triumphs of debt slavery backed by wars based on deceits to ratchet themselves up and up ... Overall, these wars based on deceits have become insanely destructive. I regard the people behind those deceitful wars as being criminally insane. However, they do control civilization, so that civilization as a whole has become criminally insane!
I wish it was possible to imagine somehow being a plaintiff, rather than merely being plaintive, about these things. I wish I could think of some politically practical ways to actually do something. However, the degree to which the mass media, and all the established politicians, including those in the controlled opposition, go along with the runaway debt slavery backed by wars based on deceits systems makes doing anything constructive appear to be practically impossible.
I admire the research presented by George Washington in his articles. However, as far as I can tell, that never makes any difference ... while, IF it did, then there would probably be another 9/11-like false flag attack, that was way worse, which would thereby provide the pretext to wipe out whatever political progress was made by more people understanding the basic systems of debt slavery, backed by wars based on deceits, that have been systematically destroying the American democratic republic, as well as the American economy, more and more, at an exponential rate!
There is no doubt that the genocidal wars started by 9/11, and the subsequent series of lies based on 9/11, also prepared the way for the imposition of democidal martial law in North America. In that context, as far as I can tell, about the only thing that attempting to educate other people about the runaway realities regarding the basic debt slavery, backed by wars based on deceits systems, is that doing so gets one's name on the lists of people to be murdered after some state of democidal martial law gets imposed.
About the only likely thing that being a plaintiff attempting to promote more truth (about the ways that these wars based on deceits are absurdly providing weapons to people who will then have to be bombed to try to destroy those weapons) is the much more plaintive refrain that these insanities will eventually come home to North America in far worse ways than merely gradual economic destruction. There is no doubt in my mind that the ruling classes that dominate civilization are not only going to start way worse genocidal wars, they are also going to go for broke with democidal martial law ...
I, and many others, have been saying for over a month that ISIS was a CIA psyop to trick the sheeple into ignoring the coming bombing of Syria for Israel's Lebensraum and pipeline.
An American, not US subject.
"Don't believe the hype, it's a sequel."
But if we stopped arming them, we would no longer have a reason to bomb them.
But, but, but, what would we do if we did not create wars all over the world, overthrow legitimate government and enslave the people with debt created out of thin air?
Sure would be nice to find out, wouldn't it?
That free money picks winners and loosers. So long as we play thier game.
ISIS slapped back at McCain in gratitude for the money and arms to turn the whole region into smoldering ruins:
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2014/08/isis-thanks-john-mccain-for-making-...
and notice how we are wanting to bomb them IN SYRIA...not in Iraq....sounds a lot like a reboot of last years effort to get us into Syria....though oddly I read elsewhere that we might work WITH Assad on this one.
This is beyond fucked up, no rational person can follow what they want much less agree or disagree.
Curious.
Given the current state of counter-terrorism vigilance, how is it that McCain hasn't been charged with such an obvious violation?
By my reckoning Section 1021 (b) (2) of the NDAA is a clear violation:
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr1540/text
Subtitle D--Counterterrorism
SEC. 1021. AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN COVERED PERSONS PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE.
(a) In General- Congress affirms that the authority of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40; 50 U.S.C. 1541 note) includes the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons (as defined in subsection (b)) pending disposition under the law of war.
(b) Covered Persons- A covered person under this section is any person as follows:
(1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks.
(2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.
(c) Disposition Under Law of War- The disposition of a person under the law of war as described in subsection (a) may include the following:
(1) Detention under the law of war without trial until the end of the hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force.
(2) Trial under chapter 47A of title 10, United States Code (as amended by the Military Commissions Act of 2009 (title XVIII of Public Law 111-84)).
(3) Transfer for trial by an alternative court or competent tribunal having lawful jurisdiction.
(4) Transfer to the custody or control of the person’s country of origin, any other foreign country, or any other foreign entity.
(d) Construction- Nothing in this section is intended to limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force.
(e) Authorities- Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.
(f) Requirement for Briefings of Congress- The Secretary of Defense shall regularly brief Congress regarding the application of the authority described in this section, including the organizations, entities, and individuals considered to be ‘covered persons’ for purposes of subsection (b)(2).
A violation of Section 1021 (b) (2) seems to be a no-brainer IMO.
The question appears to be what part of Section 1021 (c) will Obama invoke under Section 1021 (a) ?
So what is it Barry? Going to take another (f)?
I never understood how he got away with it either. It seems that the NDAA rules don't apply to everyone equally. The inherent lawlessness of our politicians is is boundless.
It is, in a way, a pure indictment of the abuse of Executive authority at the expense of Rule of Law.*
They do it because they know they can because they have circumvented the law. Notice 'Congress' was thrown in for good measure in the NDAA. Enablement is their lifeblood courtesy of Congress and until legislative representatives are held accountable and directed to prosecute accordingly, these smug pirates will continue shitting all over due process.
*Addendum: upon reflection, a proper examination of the decision tree inherent in Section 1021 of the NDAA will actually reveal that the process is in fact (because Sections (d) and (e) appear to imply a new system running in parallel to established legislation) the total usurpation of the Rule of Law by the Executive. Mention of Congress in (e) is just a puppet show after-thought thrown in to placate anyone sensing an expectancy of constitutionality or democratic representation. Quite frightening actually. This is how they really do it.
It's war with Russia the bankers want. They've been doing their damnedest to get that war going for several years now. They'll get it, too, because they run the country. When you vote you only help perpetuate a corrupt system. When the draft comes for WW 3 I'll drive my sons to Canada myself.
I have 5 grandsons. The oldest has been in the Air Force for 2 years already. Two of my grandsons turned 17 this year. I've been doing my darnedest to wake others up but it's like pushing a rope.
Let me know when you leave. I'll grab them and go with you. I'll buy the gas.
my son will not be joining either. and do you really need to go to canada? Can't they claim contientious objector? seriously curious how that works
Canada is different this time. They're ready to fight for Team-Zino.
I still want to know who bought all those lovely white Totyota Pickups for the ISIL. Surely this information is readily available. Just ask Mr. Toyota. The weapons may have been stolen, but these Toyotas are new.
Has the MSM recognized who is financing the ISIL? All I hear is a passive voice, "They are very well funded", which begs the question, "by whom?".
Could it be that the current outcome, total destruction of Iraq and Syria, is actually the strategic plan (by those who benefit from this?), and who would they be. Mostly enemies of Shites, such as Isreal, Saudi Arabia, and those gulf states, including Kuwait.
I have no "opinion" but the facts speak could inspire someone to wonder if "The USA, in conjuction with allied states have created this monster to destroy Israel's enemies so their apartaid state can continue to throttle the Palestinians." This would make statements coming from the USA government a show of sanctimonious hypocrisy.
Obama is "Shocked, just shocked, I tell you".
What makes you think that our corporate masters don't want to bomb their own weapons? Sales are up; profits are up!
Cui bono? The fallacy is to trust in the good rather than evil intentions of our leaders, their cronies, their financiers and their suppliers.
Divide and conquer. The more chaos the better for Israel, so they think.
@"..If We Stop Arming, Funding and Training Terrorists, then Maybe We Won’t Have to Bomb Them Later."
what, coherent thought, could that ever really work?
in this day and age?
I think the usual suspects got whiplash at the mention of Zbigniew Brzezinski ;-)
Or the mention of AIPAC or the Zionist lobby
Brzezinski isn't Jewish, he's a Luciferian Oligarch.
Maybe their interpretation of Sura 5:33 is different ;-)
Just saw this headline on a MSM site: "News: Obama offers flexibility on birth control".
So that's what he was talking about while leaning over to Putin...
We can all relax now. Things are turning 180. This arming thingy is just a head-fake.
Morris 108 provides a decent summary of the situation:
http://youtu.be/qYfYT-Lm0-A?list=UUweyNwo4cZM5gsIpuG4Zlew
Crap.
If that P.O.S. Brzezinski says we shouldn't arm the Syrian rebels then that really means we MUST arm the Syrian rebels.
The moderate ones this time again right?
"If that P.O.S. Brzezinski says we shouldn't arm the Syrian rebels then that really means we MUST arm the Syrian rebels."
Jews take all sides of a position so that they can lead and disarm any opposition to their plans. They also do this to create confusion.
KGB defectors on demoralization program
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpSPqaD6iOo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNXmjhHZaY8
Henry Ford, The International Jew:
"We have misled, stupefied and demoralized the youth of the Gentiles by means of education in principles and theories, patently false to us, but which we have inspired." — Protocol 9."For while the Zionists try to make the rest of the world believe that the national consciousness of the Jew finds its satisfaction in the creation of a Palestinian state, the Jews again slyly dupe the dumb Goyim.
It doesn't even enter their heads to build up a Jewish state in Palestine for the purpose of living there; all they want is a central organization for their international world swindle, endowed with its own sovereign rights and removed from the intervention of other states: a haven for convicted scoundrels and a university for budding crooks." -- MEIN KAMPF,
Good NYT Op Ed on the root of the problems in the Middle East and Worldwide.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/23/opinion/isis-atrocities-started-with-saudi-support-for-salafi-hate.html?_r=0
The USSA is bombing the wrong folks and making friends with the wrong people.