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The Chart That The US Police Force Does Not Want You To See

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USA is #1 once again... that'll teach the cynics. Oh wait...


Source: The Economist

h/t @ConradHackett


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Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:08 | 5131841 Cattender
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We Need a National Defense Force (DHS) that's just as well Armed as the Military... LOL!

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:29 | 5131943 knukles
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And he's delivering in the form of Those Who Own 2.5 Billion Hollow Points .... and ain't got a single death in them statistics, yet.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 12:41 | 5134330 Raymond K Hessel
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Based on that chart, we need to disarm the police immediately!  

Look, they do it in Britain and it seems to work over there. There's no 2nd Amendment for the government.

Think about it.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 10:02 | 5136787 tonyw
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just another fact, in Britain the police fired nine shots last year, yes that's nine bullets in the whole year.

use of guns by criminals is very rare, mostly between crime gangs shooting themselves.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 12:42 | 5134333 Hero Protagonist
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Price of freedom.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:38 | 5131979 bitterwolf
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Who is gonna volunteer? All white folk who have the  qualifications,stones/care are already signed up in Military/LEO/ .Better go color...they will do it for citizenship and payback, lol.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 15:33 | 5134812 tarheeler
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Damn dirty ape

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 23:42 | 5133216 Crawdaddy
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Sorry you don't speaky english. Hey you - Mr collaborator, No speaky english! Don't shoot. We are here to help.


Code Red, call hq, these fuckers still have ammo.

That should be good enough to lauch 50 powerpoints.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 11:33 | 5134170 DanDaley
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Anybody else have posts deleted from this thread today? NSA or ZH? 

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 16:22 | 5134964 Headbanger
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Looks like the thread I started telling Tylers to fix this article cause it's a "MISLEADING STATISTIC" must have been too much for the bleeding heart liberals or the tin foil hat fucktards here.. or both!

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 18:43 | 5135310 Laughing Sawfish
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Nah - we just don't like your cop worshipping.  Folks like you  seem to always be looking for excuses to defend cops no matter what, which is somewhat like all the "investigations" that always seem to exonerate their misdeeds.  

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 18:54 | 5138336 crazytechnician
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All my posts removed. To whoever is responsible: - you win , this is probably my last ever post on here what is the point if it's all going to be deleted ?

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 12:34 | 5134311 aurum4040
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We need our own military to continuously open there mind and see what we ultimately see, and once if occurs in earnest, 'things' will begin to change and the much needed 'eradication' will ensue.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 12:34 | 5134312 aurum4040
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We need our own military to continuously open there mind and see what we ultimately see, and once if occurs in earnest, 'things' will begin to change and the much needed 'eradication' will ensue.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 12:41 | 5134332 Raymond K Hessel
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We need to stop double posting shit.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 12:42 | 5134335 Raymond K Hessel
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We need to stop double posting shit.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:15 | 5131843 AssFire
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Remove Detroit, Chicago, Philly and New Orleans and we are maybe 30 total. I know it take us from 3rd most killed by guns to 4th least when you remove the nagger cities.

The media hides the truths and amplifies perceived injustices... even when there is not one shred of truth from the accusers in the final analysis.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:17 | 5131872 Bárðarbunga
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Here in Michigan, we rotate between Saginaw, Flint and Detroit as the murder capital.

On one particular weekend I think it changed between Flint and Saginaw three times. Once we just quit counting all the drive by shootings in Detroit and just put "a lot" on the spreadsheet. That made things much simpler...

And yeah. Nagger cities ALL.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:22 | 5131912 Jumbotron
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With all the Muzzies in Michigan.....particularly'll soon be replacing "drive by shooting" with beheadings.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:29 | 5131950 Bárðarbunga
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So to be fair, a follow up.

We were talking about cops shooting unarmed homeless people? Oh, well in Saginaw we had one of those.

Anyone ever heard of Milton Hall?

Haven't heard about any beheadings, but the Arab spring is right around the corner. I guess.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:03 | 5132096 drdolittle
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47 shots for 11 hits

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:36 | 5132248 UP Forester
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Cops are much better behaved in the U.P.

Most people hunt deer or smaller critters up here, and cops are slower and more predictable than even deer....

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 12:29 | 5134300 germanycalling
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At least it would be a bit quieter

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:42 | 5131914 Da Yooper
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Can you say trigger happy boys & girlzzzzzzz I knew ya could

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 21:36 | 5132791 dizzyfingers
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Ahead of or behind Chicago?

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:59 | 5132359 Cornfedbloodstool
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The cops in Las Vegas seem to off someone weekly.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 22:42 | 5133047 NCSpurs
Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:11 | 5131846 McMolotov
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We truly are exceptional.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:11 | 5131851 petaloka
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Comply or die.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:13 | 5131855 Bill of Rights
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Shelter in place bitches!

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:13 | 5131856 ShrNfr
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Ok, now talk to us about right to carry in those countries. If you wish to be a real serf just live there.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:15 | 5131862 sheikurbootie
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Is it racist to ask how many of the 409 were black? 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:30 | 5131947 knukles
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Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:38 | 5131980 jon dough
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Busting out in uncontrolled laughter after you get the reply might get you a dark look, though...

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:07 | 5132117 drdolittle
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Pun intended?

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 22:17 | 5132957 Leonardo Fibonacci2
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408/409 were black & 1/409 was mulatto

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 14:25 | 5134597 El Vaquero
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Albuquerque has very few black people, yet a lot of police shootings, esse.  I think that the near riots kind of scared APD though. 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:16 | 5131864 ebworthen
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I'd bet the U.S.A. is tops on the disillusionment scale as well.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:24 | 5131921 Jumbotron
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"I'd bet the U.S.A. is tops on the disillusionment scale as well."


Of course.  Never have so many been promised so much on the biggest lie of them all.....that being that Utopia could be built on Fiat.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:30 | 5131949 HardAssets
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'disillusionment' ?

That word has more than two syllables. I doubt most Americans have heard of it, or use it.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:39 | 5131987 jon dough
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So, which is it?


Da DIS, DAT, or DE UDDER Illusionment?

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 00:49 | 5133331 MsCreant
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You can't suck an illusionmint.

You would need to travel to Alaska to eat a tasty island treat known as an...??

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 16:03 | 5134914 MsCreant
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...Aleutian mint!

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:16 | 5131869 messymerry
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Resistance is futile.  You will be assimilated. 

Let's see, the taser, the pepper spray, nope, I'm gonna pop a cap in your ass. 

The courts will protect me...

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:17 | 5131871 msmith9962
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No ebola news today?  Glad that's sorted itself out.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:21 | 5131906 papaswamp
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Everyone who reports on it died...thus no problem.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:08 | 5132112 trader1
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you and i wish...



The magnitude of West Africa’s Ebola outbreak has been underestimated, the World Health Organisation (WHO) said, warning that unknown numbers of people were dying in “shadow zones” unrecorded by medical authorities.

Official estimates place the number of known, suspected and probable cases of Ebola at nearly 2,500, just over half of which have been fatal. However, in a detailed assessment of the true extent of the crisis, the WHO described a bleak situation in which “an invisible caseload of patients… are not being detected by the surveillance system”.

Recording of Ebola cases has been hindered for a number of reasons, particularly in Sierra Leone and Liberia, which have seen the worst of the epidemic, the WHO said in its latest situation report.

Families are hiding infected loved ones, on the assumption that, because Ebola has no cure, it would be better for them to die at home rather than in hospital. However, effective treatment can improve chances of survival  – a message that health authorities have been struggling to communicate to increasingly fearful populations.

Isolation wards for Ebola patients are instead being viewed by many Africans as an “incubator for the disease”, the WHO said. Many medical facilities throughout the affected countries have closed, in many cases because medical staff have fled.

...more at the independent...


Nigeria has two new cases of Ebola outside the group of caregivers who treated an airline passenger who arrived with the virus and died, the Health Minister has confirmed.

Onyebuchi Chukwu said the two new cases are spouses of Ebola patients who had direct contact with Liberian-American Patrick Sawyer. He flew into the country last month with the virus and infected 11 others before he died.

Nigerian officials initially claimed the risk of exposure to others was minimal because Mr Sawyer was placed into isolation immediately after arriving at the airport.

However, Lagos state health commissioner Jide Idris acknowledged earlier this month that Mr Sawyer was not immediately quarantined the first day, the Associated Pressreports.

These two new cases bring the total number of confirmed infections in Nigeria, including the traveller, to 14.

...more at the independent...

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:09 | 5132134 msmith9962
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That sucks.  Thanks for the update.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 12:52 | 5134358 g speed
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and here's an update on imigration policy ---


Sun, 08/24/2014 - 00:26 | 5136197 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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And yet Brussels Airlines, Air France, Royal Air Maroc and Lufthansa will fly your dumb ass straight into one of the "hot" countries. When are they really gonna quarantine this??

The locals might not be "sophisticated" but they've already figured out if they have this, they're going to be killed by a mob. So folks are going to either hide out at home, go away "for a visit to a distant relative" or otherwise not report in, because that's also going to mean quarantine (or mob killing) for the whole family, burn the house down, etc. There's only 2 real ways this goes away (for folks who don't have money): those in contact will suffer thru and develop immunity or the infected die at such a rate that the disease burns itself out. These are terrible options and I feel for everyone of them who might have to have this horror visited upon them.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:19 | 5131891 Duffy
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You are more likely to be raped by a cop than killed by a terrorist.

Talk about misallocation of tax money!



Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:10 | 5132135 drdolittle
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Whos downvoting this?

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 20:13 | 5132435 Oldwood
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They are raping now too?

Would you be happier if we had an increase in terrorist attacks? I mean if this is an argument about statistics and all.


Fri, 08/22/2014 - 23:19 | 5133157 Oldwood
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Somehow people have come to the idea that people who choose to be in the employ of our government are somehow of a higher moral plain than the rest of us. This is OUR failure as a society, to ascribe these superior traits to public servants. These are people just like everyone else. If we attempted to strain the genetic stock for superior species we would be hung as racists for defeating diversity. We are flawed in our thinking to believe anyone is superior and willing to ignore their own interests for our own. Until we take back our personal responsibility for our own safety and security, personal and economic, this will continue to spiral out of control. The biggest mistake is to look at Europe for clues. They have successfully disarmed their public while allowing huge influxes of immigrants, many hostile to their hosts, choosing self segregation. This is a time bomb that when it goes off will find its victims reliant on a police force more interested in diversity politics than life saving. 

Remember, when seconds count, your rescuer is but minutes away.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 01:03 | 5133353 tickhound
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That's scary.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:20 | 5131896 Dingleberry
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Send the euro cops to Chicago, Detroit, Camden or Watts......see how they do amongst the pure & innocents....

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:40 | 5131986 HardAssets
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Funny, that's the same kind of things said about Irish and Italians in the early 1900s. Maybe theyre all just like that.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:22 | 5131901 Caveman93
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Quick number crunch....

Pop. Ratio

United States 318,605,000 1:778,895

Japan                 127,130,000 1:0

United Kingdom 64,105,700   1:0

Germany         80,781,000        1:10,097,625



Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:27 | 5131933 JLee2027
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409 dead, probably took them 170,000 bullets and wounded 300 bystanders.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:20 | 5132179 Max Cynical
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Eight Los Angeles police officers opened fire on a mother and daughter delivering newspapers...


As the newspaper women slowly drove down the street with their high-beam headlights and flashers on, officers opened fire on their blue Toyota Tacoma pickup truck...


Hernandez, then 71, was shot twice in the back and Carranza, then 47, was injured by broken glass.


An attorney for the women said police fired more than 100 rounds into their pickup truck.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 20:33 | 5132524 JLee2027
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Gave you a Green but it's not showing. 


 Jonas said he counted 102 bullet holes in the pickup.

"I don't understand how they survived," Jonas said.The officers were placed on paid administrative leave, the LAPD said on Friday. The officers, who were not named, must see a department psychologist before they are allowed to return to patrol, said LAPD Officer Norma Eisenman.


What a crock. The "officers" should be fired.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 20:50 | 5132590 TheReplacement
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A psychologist my butt.  They sent them to the range for remedial shooting 101.  That whole incident was embarassing on so many levels but I imagine from a LA cop's perspective the worst part was that nobody would fear cops who shoot like that.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 22:29 | 5133007 disabledvet
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Sat, 08/23/2014 - 11:36 | 5134173 I am a Man I am...
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just "fired"?????

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 10:07 | 5136799 tonyw
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Gave you a Green but it's not showing. 

coz he's used italics, for some strange reason you can't up arrow comments in italics

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 17:25 | 5135145 falconflight
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Horrible, makes me hate the cops.  US Forces in the ME have a tighter standard imposed (Effed Up) for deadly force within urban areas.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 21:54 | 5132869 notadouche
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Many "epidemics" in the US per the media or government if based on the ratio of population would be considered statistcally insignificant when convenient for the desired political narrative.   

How many cops lose their life in the line of duty each year?  How does that compare to this ratio?


Sat, 08/23/2014 - 12:09 | 5134251 BlindMonkey
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33 in the same year due to gun fire. No stats if self inflicted (suicide).

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:36 | 5131927 DIgnified
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To contrast:


Total police deaths on duty from 2001 to 2013- 2077 (This includes things like heart attacks and hit by a car accidentally, etc...).  The number of police killed by gunfire from 2001-2013 was 690.  This is roughly 33.2%. 





Fri, 08/22/2014 - 20:48 | 5132582 UP Forester
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Does that include suicides, overdoses, killings by dirty partners, and autoerotic asphyxiation cases as well?

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 22:25 | 5132983 Dickweed Wang
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Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:26 | 5131928 loregnum
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Just remember the 409 are all blacks because white people are NEVER shot or abused by the police. NEVER.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:27 | 5131929 Rockfish
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Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:30 | 5131952 nosoeawe
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the pig that abused his power by shooting mike brown used more ammo than the entire UK police force did last year


Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:36 | 5131976 NOTaREALmerican
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Just another article by a goddamn panzy liberal who hates Merica, and the troops! 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:53 | 5132319 Central Bankster
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How much time do you spend under the bridge?

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 22:21 | 5132968 Dickweed Wang
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Are you for real?  I won't even take the time to down arrow bullshit like that.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:38 | 5131982 Duffy
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cops be out of control, yo


Now this second guy with the knife the St Louis cops killed:

They shot him 9 times - and apparently there's a contingent here on ZH that will claim that is legit - to "stop the threat" ...  now, I understand firing at the guy, look at the video, you just wish they could have tried tasers, but okay, the scary black man is 20 feet away with a knife so you shoot.


So again - shooting him, okay - but if you think the multiple, maybe 8 or 9 shots was legit - you're a fucking moron. Period.  I don't care if you're a cop or were in the infantry or some shit.  Go kill yourself, you cop worshipping, no training, no valuing human life cunt.


thank you. 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 20:55 | 5132608 TheReplacement
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I especially enjoyed the 3-4 rounds down range as he was falling off the wall and rolling over dead.  Very nice finish.

That was not about stopping the threat.  That was about killing the threat.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 12:11 | 5134257 BlindMonkey
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Dead men don't testify. If you are ever in a self-defense scenario, I highly recommend doing the same.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 21:25 | 5132751 UGrev
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I'll back you up on this one. Anyone who thinks shooting someone 9 times from 5 feet away was warranted in that case is a knuckle dragging, mouth breather.  Got a problem with that? If so, don't down arrow and run like a punk bitch.. let's hear it. 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 22:19 | 5132962 Dickweed Wang
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Got a problem with that? If so, don't down arrow and run like a punk bitch.. let's hear it.

Yeah, I'm down with that . . . let's hear why you think my post is shit, just don't down arrow my comment like a good little troll.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 01:28 | 5133396 UGrev
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Which post was that? Judging from your other posts, you seem to agree that the police have gone off the rails and my post is in support of the observation. 


...and for the record, I've been here longer than you :) 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:43 | 5131999 givenoquarter
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Based on what I have seen in my travels across this great land, 409 is not nearly enough. 


Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:45 | 5132004 kowalli
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409 seems too low...

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 20:22 | 5132471 Who was that ma...
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Yeah.  I think we got more than that just here in Albuquerque.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:49 | 5132030 Hengist
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To put this in perspective "According to a study conducted by the Bureau of Justice Statistics, between 1976 and 2011 there were  262,621 black murder victims murdered by other blacks".

Or 7503 a year.  The police are amateurs.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:50 | 5132032 Breezy47
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Not that read all of the comments on this thread but has anybody asked the question of how many family dogs have been shot by cops? (cops = mostly criminals with guilty consciences) as my shrink Mom says...

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 22:15 | 5132951 Dickweed Wang
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Way too fucking many my man . . . .

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:51 | 5132036 iamrefreshed
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How many blacks/hispanic/south american/nigerian/dominicans/hatians/cubans immigrate to japan & germany? Fuck your biased stastics you fucktards.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:52 | 5132042 blindman
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the budget for "law enforcement" in the usa
has increased lately because, in the usa,
mental health services have been foisted on the
police force and, consequently, given their
expertise, training and particular circumstances
the solution to mental health problems has become
public execution in broad daylight of the mentally
disturbed. no one could see that coming and
there is no one to blame, victims all around, right?
poverty begs the same solution in the new world
disorder where the fed behaves as an international
5 star kitchen, serving up the "american" experience
as a buffet to the oligarchs of international gluttony
"no matter how cynical i get, i just can't keep up." l.t.
something like that.
guns and butter
Friday August 22 9:00am 1 hour
short summary: the mob has and does run this show, all of it.
the media is there to tell you it is all for your own good.
most people behave, vote and believe accordingly and that is
why there is so much more doom to look forward to.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:53 | 5132045 Fuku Ben
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Sitting here drinking tea and soaking up the morning sunshine I gaze across the vast dark expanse of the radioactive wasteland between me and America and wonder if you are actually on another planet. Maybe Saturn?

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:55 | 5132059 iamrefreshed
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The two fucking countries that brought death to millions in WW2. Fuck you fucktards. You've got some catching up to do.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 08:01 | 5132942 Dickweed Wang
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The USA and their allies killed a lot more people in WWII than Germany and Japan.  This does not even count the number of German civilians that were killed AFTER the war in concentration camps - this last is a war crime that doesn't even get discussed. I'm not saying that Germany and Japan were in the right, just that the USA and their Allies were no angels in the war and its aftermath.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:56 | 5132061 Rusty Diggins
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In all fairness any mutherfooker who fractures my eye socket is going to get (if I'm even still concious) a full broadside of grapeshot, whatever I got to give.  Like the whole B6ndy thing, a lot of people are waiting for a real lexington/concord/kent state.  Ferguson aint it.


Fri, 08/22/2014 - 23:00 | 5132066 TomGa
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Of this number, how many were mere bystanders minding their own business (especially in New York), and how many total rounds were expended to achieve this result?  Now, what about all other countries?

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:00 | 5132077 Dre4dwolf
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90% of gun violence in America comes from 

The open border and drug cartels, terrorists and criminals coming accross (thanks to the new aparant open border/no border policy) that our govt is promoting.

The police force, because 90% of the police force is made up of crazy bi-polar people on roids.


100% of the economic problems the country faces are the result of:

Central Scam Banking

Fractional Scam Banking

Poor foreign policy

Lack of protectionist tarrifs and open trade borders

Lack of investment into infrustructure

Lack of upkeep in existing infrastructure

Excessive Welfare Hand-outs destroying incentive 

Excessive regulation on small business, while larg businesses are completely exempt from all accountability/taxation/regulation and or anything.

Excessive paper work requirements that do nothing useful and eat up valuable time that could be spent actually doing something productive.

Excessive license requirements, you shouldn't need a license to fix a kitchen sink , too many barriers to entry for almost every field one could enter.

Excessive pressure from govt on people to buy products they dont need or want (insurance)

Excessive unionization of work force and the destruction of man kinds basic human "right to work".

Excessive taxation , pick taxation or inflation, you as the govt are not entitled to both.!

Thats the world we live in, find a way to work around all that, and you might survive ^^

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:14 | 5132153 Escrava Isaura
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Is your list backed up by empirical evidence?

Or, just opinions?

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 20:46 | 5132572 Dre4dwolf
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Prove me wrong.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 13:19 | 5134419 Escrava Isaura
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Dear Blazed and Dre4dwolf,

Not that I should remind either one of you, but, obviously that I have, too:

I could list a list of crimes committed by religion, US presidents, our capitalist system, and so on. I could even go as far as our “Founding Lawyers” crimes.

While at it, I could even try to figure out for you why psychopaths do what they do. And why hypocrites try to find psychological support in nonsense writing and data.  

But, that would make this post too long and nobody would read…. Or easily forgettable!

So, I am going to leave you both with this quote:

“Freud was one of the last representatives of Enlightenment philosophy. He genuinely believed in reason as the one strength man has and which alone could save him from confusion and decay.” Erich Fromm, in The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness (1977)

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:49 | 5132259 Blazed
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Just like this data demonstrates.

Nonwhite Crime Apocalypse Envelops New York City

"New York City, once America’s greatest and most famous metropolis, is now a crime-ridden hell where nonwhites commit 95% of all murders, 90% of all rapes, 90% of Felony Sex Crimes, 96% of all robberies, 91% of all Felonious Assaults, 90% of all Grand Larceny offenses, 86% of all Misdemeanor Sex Crimes, 90% of all Misdemeanor Assault and Related offenses, 87% of all Petit Larceny offenses, 84% of all Misdemeanor Criminal Mischief offenses, 96.6% of all Shooting offenses, and constitute 90.8% of all firearm arrests, 86.3% of all Drug Felony arrests, 82.3% of all Felony Stolen Property arrests, and 94.5% of all Felony and Misdemeanor Complaint Records with Identified Juvenile Victims, Suspects and Arrestees—all this according to official figures released by the New York City Police Department."

"The figures, contained in the latest “Crime and Enforcement Activity in New York City” report issued by the NYPD, which covers the dates January 1 to June 30, 2013, can be found on the New York Government website here (PDF)."

The Color of Crime: FBI and Bureau of Justice Crime Data

Major Findings:
  • Police and the justice system are not biased against minorities.
Crime Rates
  • Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.
  • When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.
  • Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.
  • The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic.
Interracial Crime
  • Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.
  • Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.
  • Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.
  • Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.
  • Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.
  • Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 20:47 | 5132575 Oldwood
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We create the environment to breed crime. We make these monsters that value nothing except what they can take and then we tell them they are entitled to their rage. We then leave the rest of the population relatively defenseless judging from the pure amount of crime we enjoy, insisting our violence is only the result of our ownership of guns. Meanwhile they tax us into oblivion to provide us our so desperately needed protection. They have created yet another war using it to force us into dependency while adding the insult of making us pay for it. The cops are simply useful to their needs. The cops are being simultaneously funded for ever greater expansion of lethality and scope while also being demonized by the sycophantic liberal press. Not any different than what we have seen with the banks, with al qaeda, Afghans, Israel, Hamas, ISIS, Assad, Saddam, Gaddafi, virtually everyone on the planet. Fund them and then demonize them, all sides, all the time. CHAOS! Take sides if you like, but I think this is their goal. Watching us tear each other limb from limb.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 22:23 | 5132941 AssFire
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They, the inner city entitled, create their own environment and anyone who tries to call them out for it becomes an uncle tom. We create the opportunity they would never have without our tax dollars. Don't make any excuses for them. They are animals and have not one city or nation to show for their existance despite being the cradle of non modern "civilivation".


Sat, 08/23/2014 - 00:23 | 5133294 Oldwood
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I'm making no excuses for them. Simply saying that our government, through money and policy, is enabling them, providing them a rationale for their actions. One person is shot by the cops and their world is shot and coming to an end, while they can murder and abuse themselves and its no problem. They got crime oozing from their pores yet they complain about oppressive cops. If I had their crime problems I would be buying the cops coffee and donuts every day. Not excusing the cops for bad shit as it should be prosecuted, just think the politics are what really stinks like shit here.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 11:58 | 5134199 Charming Anarchist
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You say that like as if modern civilization is a good thing. Most other species of animal seem to get along without any overt signs of intentionally cruel cannibalistic behavior.  The opportunity "we" create comes with cost. 


I would like to choose peace in a cave over war in a gold mine.  Unfortunately, that free choice is not available even though it is cheap. 

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 02:35 | 5133473 Kirk2NCC1701
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Why don't they just send them to a far off Penal Colony, like the Brits did (who sent theirs to Australia)?

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 09:45 | 5133919 all-priced-in
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But it is


"through no fault of their own" 





Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:06 | 5132113 SonoftheAR
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Does this large number count "death by tazer," or "death by choke-hold," or death by a steel-toed boot to the head?

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:07 | 5132123 Better_late_tha...
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I'm getting sick of the anti-cop/anti-gun vibe ZH is leaning towards. We know the cops will shoot criminals who attack them or attack civilians. This is a bullshit headline. Lots of Americans want criminals to get shot if they commit a violent crime. We still have the death penalty FFS. Even an armed security guard who shoots a robber gets free drinks and fifteen minutes of fame. If you like higher rates of violent crime or the inability to protect yourself, go to one of the countries listed above. 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:51 | 5132310 therevolutionwas
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Our worries are protecting ourselves from the cops.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 20:24 | 5132481 Better_late_tha...
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And with 409 deaths via cop shootings, you should be more worried about getting hit by lightning.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 20:36 | 5132529 Dickweed Wang
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Chance of getting hit by lightning in one year - 1/70,000

Chance of getting shot to death by a cop in USA - 1/1,200,000

Chance of hitting Mega Millions jackpot - 1/50,000,000 (or something astronomical like that)

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 20:49 | 5132586 Parrotile
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Please compare like with like (i.e. outcomes).

Average lighnting deaths per year (US) - 51 per year ( )

So you are 8 times more likely to be killed by "Police" action, than by lightning on an annual basis

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 21:31 | 5132769 Dickweed Wang
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My bad - I should have said the odds of death by lightning in a year was 1/700,000 not 1/70,000.  This is still about one half the odds of being shot to death by a cop.

From National Geographic (

The odds of becoming a lightning victim in the U.S. in any one year is 1 in 700,000. The odds of being struck in your lifetime is 1 in 3,000.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 12:03 | 5134234 Bay of Pigs
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What about shark attacks?

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 21:47 | 5132834 dizzyfingers
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Parrotile Sobering statistics. Thanks.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 00:08 | 5133270 TheReplacement
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For even more fun run the numbers with deaths from terrorists included.  Eyes will open.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 12:21 | 5134277 BlindMonkey
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"And with 409 deaths via cop shootings, you should be more worried about getting hit by lightning."

Lightning can kill but can't put you under arrest for false charges and ruin your life. That is a lot more common than 400+ per year.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 00:35 | 5133315 TheReplacement
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We are Americans.  We are an indepenent sort.  We do not like an overbearing state telling us what we can, cannot, or must have.  We do not like the state trying to "protect" us while trying to deny us the right to protect ourselves.  Outlandish numbers killed by cops only puts a face to it. 

We may want criminals shot for violent crimes but we prefer it is after a trial of their peers in a court of law.  We do not want a third party to be the judge, jury, and executioner because, as we've seen over and over and over on youtube and other places how those third parties have become militarized, Constitution desecrating, roid-rage Nazis with quick triggers who shoot, and keep on shooting, to kill.  They are not gods.  Stop worshipping them and granting the the power of life or death just because you reached into your pocket in a way that made them excited.

Or as the video soundtrack one police department made to showcase their new APC says, "Die Motherfucker Die!"  I hope you have a chance to find it.  Maybe you can go there, get pulled over to see how things are, and report back.  Video would be appreciated.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 18:37 | 5135300 Better_late_tha...
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I am an American. Americans are not of the independant sort anymore. We have shit tons of social programs designed to steal from the producers to give to the consumers. I wish I lived in a country, or a world for that matter, that wasn't made up of 50% Free Shit Army members. 409 people getting killed by police officers is such a small number I can't believe anyone is even surprised that in a year, out of the million of police encoutners, pull overs, arrests, search warrants, high speed persuits, and suicide by cop attemps, only 400-ish people were killed.

Let me reiterate my point: You are more likely to accidentally shoot and kill yourself then you are to be killed by a police officer in the USA.

This is fucking-dumb-shit. How about we get back to economics and our completely fucked fractional reserve banking system where we actaully have a problem worth worrying about.

I don't want an overbearing state or a nazi-style police force, but I also don't expect the police officers, who are members of my community, to hesitate when attacked. The same goes for you: If someone tries to kill you, you try and kill them right back.     

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 09:55 | 5133933 all-priced-in
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GUN SHOW today at the Pasadena convention center (Pasadena Texas)


Free parking - $8 admission 

 Officers in uniform - always free admission.





Fri, 08/22/2014 - 20:00 | 5132141 Blazed
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Japan and Germany compared to the US, REALLY???? Britain lets everyone go, if they even arrest them at all and Japan and Germany are largely homogeneous and civilized higher IQ populations, though Germany is being flooded with third world populations at an increasing rate. The US is plagued with violent high crime and lower Average General IQ ethnics and third world legal and illegal immigrants. Hell, Chicago alone has 100,00 gang members, virtually all Latino and African American. Good luck everyone.

UK: Non-White Female Smashes Man's Face With Glass, Spared Jail Even After 18 Court Appearances For Violence!


(2001) UK: Handgun crime 'up' despite ban

Race differences in average IQ are largely genetic

MRI studies, Trans-Racial Adoption studies, Racial Admixture studies, and Regression to Racial Average studies eliminate culture and environment as significant hypotheses.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:17 | 5132169 Oldrepublic
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5000 Americans have been shot by cops since 9/11 according to Paul Craig Roberts

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:35 | 5132240 DeliciousSteak
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America is a warzone. The number of people killed by guns is almost unreal. But America is America. It's a mysterious island with its own ways. Part of that is gun violence.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 20:28 | 5132460 Blazed
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According to Federal, state, and municipal crime data, it isn't the firearms that are the problem in the US, but rather it is violent minorities, and the vast majority of them that are committing crimes with firearms are NOT legally armed law abiding citizens.

60% of Firearm Deaths In The US Are Suicides

The vast majority of the rest are violent ethnic minorities. By the way, liberal-progressive types are usually for the right to commit suicide, they should be pleased with this data.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 00:23 | 5133292 TheReplacement
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As noted below, most of America is pretty safe.  There are some very dense pockets that resemble warzones but that is not an American thing.  It is a foreign culture thing.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 00:23 | 5133293 TheReplacement
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As noted below, most of America is pretty safe.  There are some very dense pockets that resemble warzones but that is not an American thing.  It is a foreign culture thing.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:18 | 5132173 FrankDieter
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You might want to move to Ferguson MO and get a job sucking farts out of the seats of the public buses.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:21 | 5132185 d edwards
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Excuse me, but the population of the US far exceeds the other countries-that makes a big fucking differnce.


Nice try at propaganda.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 20:27 | 5132494 Dickweed Wang
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To take your argument to a logical conclusion - Germany has a population about 1/4 that of the USA. Extrapolating Germany's population and police shootings resulting in death, on a basis equal to the USA, you would have something like 8 X 4 = 24 deaths by cop. Compared with 409 shooting deaths in the USA I would say the post is far from propaganda.  Being an honest guy/gal would you have to agree, right?

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 12:02 | 5134235 Overfed
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Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:21 | 5132182 roadlust
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You can't "argue" with gun nuts about guns, any more than you can have a rational conversation with them on most subjects.  They are convinced that their own godlike powers of observation and "logic" are all the "proof" they need of any belief they hold.  Facts and meaningless when you're that "smart."

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:24 | 5132197 d edwards
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Tell that to the shop owners in Ferguson who successfully defended their stores with their personal firearms-without firing a shot-BITCH!


Your place will be the first plundered WTSHTF but you'll still be self righteous in your ignorance.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:29 | 5132217 Row Well Number 41
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Your place will be the first plundered WTSHTF but you'll still be self righteous in your ignorance.

No he won't, he'll be dead.

Among other evils which being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised.
    -- Nicholia Machiavelli

Just Say'n


Fri, 08/22/2014 - 20:19 | 5132454 Dickweed Wang
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In EVERY jurisdiction where legally carrying a firearm has been made easier violent crime has gone down significantly. Unfortunately (and expectedly) this little statistic gets overlooked when the anti-gun crowd starts their emotional rants against guns.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 21:20 | 5132726 Buster Cherry
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You should be right at home in Chicargo....

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 00:39 | 5133322 TheReplacement
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It is sad that you are so afraid of your own judgement that you have to pawn that job off on someone else.  Afterall, isn't that what you would have "gun nuts" do?  Oh, do you mean that "gun nuts" should listen to you because you are that "smart"?

No thanks.  I'll trust me before I trust you or anyone else with my wellbeing.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:22 | 5132188 marcusfenix
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makes sense, we are running out of room in our prisons after all...

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:28 | 5132204 DeliciousSteak
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Would be interesting to know the total number police have discharged their weapons in these countries. AFAIK in most of the civilized world the police are required to first attempt to immobilize the target by shooting at their limbs and they are trained for this.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 20:44 | 5132351 Central Bankster
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ROFL. Shooting at limbs to immobilize?!?!  We can all tell you've never fired a gun and have no practical experience.  Come back to the discussion when you earn some life experience.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 20:14 | 5132433 Dickweed Wang
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In Fergusun, Brown was shot six time with two in the head - so much for immobilizing the target, eh?

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 23:32 | 5133194 Oldwood
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Assuming the first four were in one arm, is it not possible a man of his size was NOT immobilized? Few of us, including cops have been put into this position. If someone were to break into my home I'm not quite sure how many times I might pull the trigger before I stopped. I know I'm not in the right forum for this but it would be nice to see a little more reason applied beyond knee jerk cop hatin. There are shit people everywhere. Let's demand justice, not retribution. A trial rather than a lynching.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 07:58 | 5133732 Dickweed Wang
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There are shit people everywhere. Let's demand justice, not retribution. A trial rather than a lynching.

I agree with your take on this issue 100%.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:29 | 5132212 Itch
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Drop the weapons and the cops won't need them. 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:35 | 5132244 smacker
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"Drop the weapons and the cops won't need them."

Wrong. That's the argument politicians use. All it means is that the only people left with weapons will be criminals. So the police will still want to carry them.

But yu already know that.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 00:45 | 5133327 TheReplacement
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The real criminals are the politicians and the police who violate the their oaths.  They would have the guns.  Criminals with guns would be minor in comparison.  Heck, in that scenario the street criminals would be transformed into heroes of the people just like so many in the past.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 20:11 | 5132421 Dickweed Wang
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Ah, last time I checked Mike Brown and many others like him were UNARMED when murdered by trigger happy cops . . . . In fact Brown was facing the cop on his KNEES with his HANDS IN THE AIR when he was shot six times (two in the head) . . .  that will teach him, eh?

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