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Ebola Epidemic Numbers Vastly Under-Reported Due To "Shadow Zones", WHO Warns
The stigma surrounding Ebola poses a serious obstacle to efforts to calibrate the outbreak in Liberia, Sierra Leone, Guinea and Nigeria. As Reuters reports, the scale of the world's worst Ebola outbreak has been concealed by families hiding infected loved ones in their homes and the existence of "shadow zones" that medics cannot enter, according to the World Health Organization (WHO). "As Ebola has no cure, some believe infected loved ones will be more comfortable dying at home," the WHO statement said, concluding rather ominously, "frankly, no one knows when this outbreak of Ebola will end."
The scale of the world's worst Ebola outbreak has been concealed by families hiding infected loved ones in their homes and the existence of "shadow zones" that medics cannot enter, the World Health Organization (WHO) said on Friday.
The U.N. agency issued a statement detailing why the outbreak in West Africa had been underestimated, following criticism that it had moved too slowly to contain the killer virus, now spreading out of control.
Independent experts raised similar concerns a month ago that the contagion could be worse than reported because suspicious local inhabitants are chasing away health workers and shunning treatment.
More than 1400 deaths have been reported but the truth could be considerably worse...
Under-reporting of cases is a problem especially in Liberia and Sierra Leone. The WHO said it was now working with Medecins Sans Frontières (MSF) and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to produce "more realistic estimates".
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The stigma surrounding Ebola poses a serious obstacle to efforts to calibrate the outbreak in Liberia, Sierra Leone, Guinea and Nigeria, which has claimed far more victims than any other episode of the disease that was first discovered nearly 40 years ago in the forests of central Africa.
"As Ebola has no cure, some believe infected loved ones will be more comfortable dying at home," the WHO statement said.
"Others deny that a patient has Ebola and believe that care in an isolation ward – viewed as an incubator of the disease – will lead to infection and certain death. Most fear the stigma and social rejection that come to patients and families when a diagnosis of Ebola is confirmed."
Corpses are often buried without official notification, the WHO said, while an additional problem is the existence of numerous "shadow zones", or rural villages where there are rumours of cases and deaths that cannot be investigated because of community resistance or lack of staff and transport.
The WHO is concerned...
"So with the evolving situation, with more cases reported, including in the three hot places - Guinea, Sierra Leone, and Liberia - the situation is not yet over," Chaib said.
Chaib, asked whether the timeline meant that the United Nations health agency expected the epidemic now raging in Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone to continue into 2015, said: "Frankly, no one knows when this outbreak of Ebola will end."
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And things are getting more worrisome...
In a sign of spreading international alarm, Senegal, West Africa's humanitarian hub, said it had blocked a regional U.N. aid plane from landing and was banning all further flights to and from countries affected by Ebola, potentially hampering the emergency response to the epidemic.
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Just when I was getting ready for a quiet weekend.
At least its still the weekend...right?
Prepare for the worst..hope for the best....live life.
Have a good one.
RIPS
Yeah to that. Everyone peace-out.
Mrs K told me I should have an ebola cereal for dinner
Time for everyone to get their ebola vaccine - now there's a CDC whistleblower saying they were fraudlently covering-up a link between autism and MMR vaccines.
If true, this will not go over well:
http://www.naturalnews.com/046535_MMR_vaccines_autism_CDC_whistleblower.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhpckzxVEoc
Are their any government agencies that haven't been abusing their position of trust?
The outbreak will end when everyone is exposed to it. At current growth rate, that will be in about 1 year's time.
How painful is Ebola? Does it melt your asshole? Just wondering. Bitchez.
Elvis: You're dead. Accept it.
The Ebola Outbreak: U.S. Sponsored Bioterror?
I expected the outbreak to have gone parabolic by now. Even if the numbers are way higher, this seems like it won't be a big deal. Just a play by Big Koch to take more government money for vaccines.
The Ebola Breakout Coincided With UN Vaccine Campaigns
"Because survivors have usually developed antibodies to fight the virus, transferring their blood could help patients. In the past, the strategy was used to treat people with SARS and Lassa fever, a viral hemorrhagic fever, like Ebola." http://news.sciencemag.org/africa/2014/08/who-ponders-treating-ebola-infected-people-blood-survivors
I think West Point Liberia is being used as a human drug manufacturing plant. Get them all sick at once and those that survive can be used to make “Convalescent serum" for the elite. Unfortunately there wont be enough for everyone ha ha ha ha .
1. This explains why they thought it was a GREAT idea to warehouse Ebola patients in a fucking super high density nasty slum instead of some remote bush tent med center.
2. This is why it happened to a town located on a peninsula. It only needs to be guarded from one side with a few snipers for the swimmers.
3. This is why no one cares that the guards themselves are wearing NO protective equipment at all as they engage at super close range with live ammo. Great move, spray infected blood everywhere and walk in it dumb shits! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2729741/Liberia-declares-curfew-orders-quarantine-50-000-slum-dwellers-battle-stop-spread-Ebola-capital.html
4. If stopping the spread is the idea why don't they would bury the dead in West Point!
5. Africans feared hospitals before West Point - Now nobody will admit they are sick - instead they will hide it and hope its not Ebola. FAIL FAIL FAIL. "Saturday's attack on the observation center in West Point was triggered by fears that people with the disease were being brought there from all over the country, the Information Ministry said Tuesday." Liberia's President Orders Curfew, Quarantine of Slum to Curb Ebola Virus
I think the goal is to get all of West Point Liberia infected in order to make Convalescent serum. The powerful, their families and friends will have the cure.
Obama did not go on to say "Get to work making that cure you animals Im late for my tee time"Now if it spreads to Nigeria, they are going to need help from the West.
With a little negotiating, perhaps an oil-for-assistance deal can be struck.
Kind of like funding and training ISIS which attacks Iraq which then will beg to be reoccupied.
Please - take our oil, just save us from these ISIS hellions.
Simple cure for Ebola virus?
I only offer the link for those who wish to do their own due diligence in researching the matter. But it is an interesting read.
http://themillenniumreport.com/2014/08/simple-cure-for-ebola-monster-virus/
the cure for ebola is the same for ISIS, it is called "para bellum 9mm"
1 bullet at the time.
Hey 'fervent in spirit',
Regarding Nano-Silver,
I haven't tested it on Ebola yet, but the brew I make really keeps the sludge from building up in the dog's water bowl. Amazing stuff.
Look fellow stackers, if you got piles of .999 silver, you damn well better know how to use it for health purposes. 8 oz distilled water in 1 glass container, 2 silver .999 coins suspended by wire, not touching, 12-30 volts DC and about 1 hour. Consume on the spot, or save for later. Do not store in plastic. Do not put in fridge. Keep away from light.
Solution is clear, not yellow. Little black stuff on the coins is normal. Wipe off coins, and DO NOT TOUCH THEM. Keep those coins clean by wiping only, no soap, no salt from your skin.
DO NOT PUT SALT IN THE WATER, unless you desire the gray-hue.
Seriously, better know what to do with that silver, for a multitude of purposes IN ADDITION to Ebola.
Variations: YOu may add 'reducing-agents', like honey to a batch of silver, AFTER ITS DONE. All very simple.
See also: Silver Cat-Ion (AG+), Electrolysis, etc.
I'd say 35 volts for 20 minutes.
I make mine at 18V for 20 minutes and store it in the fridge.
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Vampires cannot survive in the sunlight. The tactic to successfully implement such a strategy would have to be more subtle...
Naturalnews is not a credible news source and a yt vid of a purported whistleblower doesn't constitute evidence.
why not? it works for the U.S. govt!
The theory of a link between Autism and MMR (measles, mumps Rubella) vaccination was investigated at length in public in the UK. Many people got frightened and refused to have they children vaccinated. It was all proved, very publicly, to be a totally false claim. There is now a huge increase in measles in UK due to kids not being vaccinated. The Doctor who spread the rumours got struck off in UK by the medical Council. I believe he's gone to the USA and is probably spreading false rumours again with no firm evidence.
I recommend the Betty Ford Clinic. Dr. Syd Gottleib can make her into a Stepford wifey.
Ebola - Is that some kind of internet bowling game or app?
the fear mongering is simply off the charts the past couple of months... must mean the collapse is finally here.
Just my opinion, but collapse won't happen till 2023.
possibly..
but first comes a real big war...
well, if it starts this weekend, and we lose internet access...
it was an honor to hang with you guys in the 'fight club'
'and ill see you on the beach'....
Fuck that. I'm not doing a goddamn thing they say.
Things are starting to spin out of control in Liberia. Quarantine and military shooting civilians in the streets...
Warning....little graphic...http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z82qDZXs8L4
Holy Shit Dude....that is nuts....If the powersthat be watch this and they still fly planes in and out of there, then fuck them. They are complicit.
Make no mistake if Ebola does reach the US the government WILL kill you to keep it under control. There will be no trial by jury, no appeal. There will be DHS checkpoints everywhere and FEMA "treatment" facilities will be available for anyone showing symptoms.
Considering the symptoms match those of influenza, what you suggest would be quite interesting. Also considering the only definitive test to diagnose Ebola would be PCR, and considering people like me who do this type of testing may be on perminant vacation, it gets even more interesting.
I do not believe Ebola will get a serious hold on this country only that the best spread is achieved by close contact in unsanitary conditions. Now, if those conditions where achieved here as they seem to be on that course, I must change my position.
Miffed;-)
Why 2023?
Collapse: Spring 2015.
Sixth seal opened:
"I looked when He broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the whole moon became like blood; and the stars of the sky fell to the earth, as a fig tree casts its unripe figs when shaken by a great wind.…" - Revelation 6:12,13
Exactly, they call it an 'epidemic' yet more people have died in car accidents this year...It's doom and gloom I tell you, please send money!
Love the round numbers too like 1400, because they don't want to actually bother to count or be accurate
33 Liberty St. is a shadow zone.
Cheers, bitchez.
"WHO" and "Shadow Zones" in the same sentence...how very Iluminati...and apprapo...
Don't forget whoever is on the 3rd floor of 33 Liberty St financially enabling WW3, or the fact that there were originally 3 broadcast television networks, on of which had a chime that dinged 3 times, or that the Reptiles have 3 fingers or that Issac Newton studied at the College of the Holy and Undivided Trinity at the Bridge over the river Cam, or that even the Pythagorean Theorem is inapplicable to 3 dimensional space.
"Max drills his head."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGZ0K5Rpacw
I think the Soros-Bill Gates Virus Center is probably cooking up another designer virus or some virulent disease that they can sell the antidote.
Most likely they and their oligarch pals just want all of Africa's mineral wealth. They just need to kill off a few tens of millions of those pesky black people in Africa.
It does not matter if YOU think it's crazy
It does not matter if YOU believe it
What matters is that THEY believe it!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxBsv-ng7YU
'WHO' cares?
" the Pythagorean Theorem is inapplicable to 3 dimensional space ..."
Sure it is. An analog of the theorem applies to any Hilbert space (generalizations of Euclidean space). In a slightly varied form, it also holds locally for surfaces in some non-Euclidean curved spaces if the metric tensor is positive-definite.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert_space#Pythagorean_identity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_tensor#Arclength_and_the_line_element
fat chance!
tptb are gearing up for WW3..
get ready for WW2 level rationing!
Bitchez!Airborne, or not?
You want your Ebola, you can have your Ebola
Over 180 Ebola infected M.D.s and medical professionals, wearing and using proper protective clothing, 80-plus of which are now DEAD, didn't get EVD by making 180 careless mistakes allowing themselves contact with 'bodily fluids': the current Ebola is a new, probably moist-air and moist-contact transmissable strain, the ultimate pandemic statistical results of which will make fools of WHO, the CDC, and the world's vaccine-and-money-minded financial and medical braniacs.
Watch WHO and the rest cover their tracks by BURYING THE DEATH COUNTS along with the unrecorded victims in the statistical twilight of 'shadow zones'.
You have just pointed out one of the big problems; think it was one of the "disease" books that noted the problem is that these diseases, the lethal ones, kill the medical personnel, and then who takes care of people? Then how is it stopped?
To put the deaths of over 100 (we were at 80 a couple weeks ago) doctors and nurses in context:
Combined Population Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone- 18.5 million
Estimated Totals:
1064 Physicians
7066 Nursing Midwifery & Other Health Workers
582 Pharmaceutical personnel
494 Health management & support workers
371 Laboratory health workers
288 Community and traditional health workers
45 Dentistry personnel
By way of comparison, New York state has roughly same population, but about 48,000 doctors instead of about 1000 (882 of which are concentrated in Guinea... so most people probably can't imagine how bad the situation in Liberia and Sierra Leone actually is). If the same 1.5% of those doctors were to drop dead of ebola NY state would "only" loose 720 doctors.
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.MED.PHYS.ZS
https://data.un.org/Default.aspx (for population and growth rates)
"To put the deaths of over 100 (we were at 80 a couple weeks ago) doctors and nurses in context:"
Thanks. Keep common sense coming please.
Ebola is a psyop. it is not a major concern. the USA's border is wide open. If it was real then the borders would be protected - right? F Democrats, liberals, dual citizens and blacks who voted for the Kenyan.
Ebola survivor's blood (or antibodies/factors therein) can be harvested for the "elite" to inject and mitigate the risk of the "elite" dying from Ebola.
Granted that the risk mitigation period is 3 to 12 months- yet this method can be replicated to infinity, so that the "elite" have a markedly less chance of dying from Ebola than J6P.
But still, a "psy-op" of limited use, agreed.
I say something real big is coming downt he pipe and it's going to be bad.
Well anything can be *said*, my friend... anything can be *said*
And if it's 'some' thing, then that makes it a subject of cHOice, no? {'some'... but not 'all'?}
Which means it can be *chosen* to be "real big", right?
Which means it will be chosen (if my bias is correct)... especially if it's *bad* as you say.
Ebola.......Endola
Completely OT, but I tracked back a new pathogen story, possibly (ONLY possibly) related to the Madison flu stuff.
http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com/dr20140721-concerns-grow-about-c...
I was reminding everyone a few days ago that the WHO numbers would become increasingly meaningless, as soon as next week.
This is becoming fucked-up, people. And the more fucked-up it becomes, the less you are going to hear about it here in America, where we are free to not know what in the hell is going on anywhere at anytime.
I'm sticking with 5k dead in Africa before it burns out. But I guess if we hit that number officially it will mean 50k in reality.
They're vastly underplaying this. The who claimed that it was over in march/April and then the next wave hit. Something changed about the virus. It traded virility for transmissibility. Only a 50-55% kill rate vs a 90% prior. Now we had the government of Nigeria saying yesterday it looked like they got it in time and that it was about to be stomped out. Now today we have two people who were secondary infections to Patrick sawyer get the infection!? So we are to believe- Patrick sawyer got off the airplane and after 24hrs they figured that he had ebola. Then, they quarantine all who had contact with him immediately. So did the nurses taking care of him go directly to quarantine? Or did they go home with their relatives? Did they take precautions with contact with their relatives? The relatives for two weeks were monitored but not quarantined and THEN they developed symptoms after marching around Lagos/Nigeria for 2 weeks(knowing their relatives had ebola)?! Cat out of the fucking bag Lagos!
Actually, there are about four variants that are known now. This is the least lethal of them. Previous outbreaks of this variant were 60%. There may be a lot of folks who are dead from it in this one that have not been counted though.
On Nigeria, I noted that there are two new cases now in the healthcare worker spouses. The workers died.
"did the nurses taking care of him (Sawyer) go directly to quarantine? Or did they go home with their relatives?"
Different news sources all say his presence infected and lead to the deaths of ELEVEN people.
B.H. Obola is worse.
What is Really weirding me out is this: They decided to quarantine Westboro, a slum area of 50,000 in Monrovia.
Now why choose to isolate This particular area. Versus any other area. Weird.
And since this area is a slum area with very poor people, they are less likely to "behave." This should be very interesting to watch. Something is very wrong with this scenario.
Simple answer: The blood of the Ebola survivors in this district will be harvested to be used to temporarily immunize the "elite" from Ebola.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
But it will burn out and not become a global pandemic, Agreed,
What's 5k or even 50k these days... the Neocons would consider that number to be far less than a simple rounding error on their operations...
Seems only last week when the Wellcome Foundation said it would be "under control in six months". (Pity they didn't mention which six months . . .)
They call that range a Petri dish.
Here's the deal.
In the past it was maybe 300 dead then it burned out. That was because ebola couldn't get any traction at 90% lethality. Couldn't spread, so it was something you only caught in the countryside by eating bush meat. A curiosity.
Right now lethality is running 60% and it might be air-borne (a little) and we'll probably get 5K dead mostly in Africa. But now it is in the cities and jumping human-to-human. Big cities, too. This is really bad. Even if we never see another outbreak start in the countryside we'll be having them all the time in the cities human-to-human. So a real concern, but only if you live in Lagos.
"The one" is a lot worse than any of that. If this one is not "the one" then based on the progression we see I fear the next one will be.
Here is what "the one" might look like:
Two years from now there is another big outbreak, but right in the middle of Lagos. At the first sign of anything wrong it's already 3K people showing symptoms, unknown numbers of dead. All in one neighborhood at first but then 3 days later there are 20 neighborhoods, and not all in the same city. People in Lagos panic, looting and fires, Army troops torching homes with infected in them trying to sterilize the city. Doesn't work, just creates more panic and social unrest. Then suddenly we quit hearing anything from Lagos at all. All flights then stop in/out of Lagos but too late, there are suddenly thousands of cases of a really fast-moving ebola-like illness in a dozen major world cities. Panic grips all major cities as infection appears in areas considered "safe" in the last outbreak. Commerce grinds to a halt. Most US cities setup random stops (using NG troops) to check travellers for symptoms. All large US cities essentially stop working, nobody goes outside, there are a lot of shot-on-sight killings by police. Walmart declares bankruptcy. Ebola eventually burns itself out in 6 months after $1.2T in economic losses globally, a known 30K dead world-over, about 5x that many unconfirmed. And ebola becomes established as a low-level recurring disease in all major cities in the world, subject to frequent outbreaks that are very hard to contain.
We're set up for it, nearly. It's coming I can feel it.
Cougar. I thought you had the earth cooking our habitat in the near term anyway. Methane burbs and all.
Not in the near-term. Give that 20 years. Heck, we'll have illegal imported fruit bats living in Mississippi by then, ebola will be in residence.
Ok, I appreciate your posts on both topics.
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You have so much more to worry about than this Cougar.
I can worry in parallel processes. More efficient use of CPU.
Cougar...
I see you are an optimist.
But considering that most of the world's people live in horrendous slums and don't even have access to toilets?
Seems there will be plenty of opportunity for ebola to spread far and wide and to evolve as it does so.
When a Chinese Businessman brings it to Shanghai or Hong Kong...
When an India Businessman brings introduces it to New Delhi...
It does not matter. There will be Tens of Millions dead by Christmas in Africa.
Our Global Infrastructure will collapse. The local infrastructures will collapse.
The secondary affects of the contagion will kill the rest of the survivors.
This is a movie. IT IS NOT RELIGIOUS so do not let the title fool you.
This is what happens to the INFRASTRUCTURE and Social Order after a PANDMIC. Watch it and let the lessons sink in. This is what will happen WHEN Ebola gets here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8rYaPfFLgo&index=76&list=FL8QcbSiNx5aG21vlMz8A9wQ
So basically Contagion .... but for real. Got it.
What has me worried is the incubation period, rather than lethality. High lethality with a short incubation period burns out quickly, but the 2 to 21 (!) days is a matter of concern.
Just to make things interesting, a story surfaced about 1 month ago (VERY briefly) there was a geneticist in U Wisconsin Madison who had created a weaponized flu virus, pretty much "just to do it" (my quote).
It's one thing to play God, but these people thnk they are the real deal.
A few years ago an expert in the field predicted that soon anyone with a million dollars to spend would be able to buy all the equipment he needed to create pathogens that would pretty much eradicate the planet's human population.
Fear ISIS.
The NSA's spying is starting to look a bit purposeful.
The NSA's spying was always purposeful. They have been doing it for decades. Only with today's technology have they been able to do it efficiently enough to get everyone.
If they are spying on you (and they are) they must consider you a threat to them (and they do). Otherwise, the whole excercise is irrational and pointless.
The west, America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the Western Europe will never close a border of stop flights from infected areas. Their plan is to field the ebloa cases as they appear at hospitals, confident in their powers to control any infected who gets here. It is Africa where broders will be shut, people shot, flights blocked and citizens roundd up and written off. But it will be the west who is accused of abuse and ill treatment of Africa and the Ebloa folks that fly in from there. I can guarantee you that even tonight plane loads of Africans from Ebla infected countries and cities are arriving all over Euope with immigrants seeks the welfare systems. Bring their little guests along, those pesky Ebola bugs.
Lets see how smart the west really is, if this thing keeps taking off, no matter how bad, the liberals in the west will demand open bordes as this they believe is a duty of the west.
It's a definite risk to keep the travel corridors open. I've said that from the beginning.
It's not that the possibility is high that the disease as it currently presents itself will begin to spread domestically in North America or Europe for that matter... it probably won't
But it could mutate into something more easily transmissable and then you are truly fucked.
Plus it sets a bad precedent for the next outbreak of whatever lethal pathogen may be heading this way...
Oh noes, the new synthetic black plage returns.
Ring-a-ring o' roses,
A pocket full of posies,
A-tishoo! A-tishoo!
We all fall down.
Fear only resides in your fear mongering peanut brain.
But it could mutate into something more easily transmissable.
And then infect 500 million people worldwide and kill 50 million-plus.
See: The "Spanish" (Fort Riley Kansas) FLU.
Oh please. You could also drop dead in your sleep tonight and not have to worry about it ever again. You're safe.
When professionals, whom post on this Comment Board, are extremely concerned then I will take thier educated opinions over that of yours.
(Is there room for one more, Miffed Microbiologist and Parrotile, at Pitcarin?)
A microbiologist and an epidemiologist have more education, and much more experience, than you.
Despite all the "Official" bureaucratic chatter, the Aussie "Government" (populated by the likes of Mr Palmer, who seems to think bad-mouthing the Chinese, our principal trading "partmer" is a good idea) fully understand the importance of open borders to our continued comfy lifestyle.
Close the borders, and kiss goodbye to all that tourism income - the tourism income that continually generates more revenue that the "Mining Boom" ever did!
So, it'll take a VERY major International crisis for THAT option to be enacted, and until then any talk of "Increased Border 'Security' " is just that - talk.
When I worked for local emergency services a few years ago, I attended a disaster preparedness seminar focused around policy and procedure in the event of a major pandemic. The main audience was communications professionals in government-run health care. This was back in Swine Flu days. I was a private sector 'earthquake guy' and didn't know anybody else. Interesting thing: the presenter stressed the importance of discouraging self-quarantine IN THE INTEREST OF PROTECTING THE ECONOMY. Seriously, the message was that LOSS OF LIFE WAS SECONDARY TO KEEPING THE WHEELS OF COMMERCE TURNING. I was flabbergasted, especially when it became clear that nobody else in the room was bothered.
"The loss of life was secondary to keeping the wheels of commerce turning"
While it is true that those who want to "keep the wheels of commerce turning" are motivated simply to keep their own pockets lined with cash, you have to admit that:
1) Food prices are already rising faster than people with stagnant wages can catch them. The slightest economic distruption puts those people already on the margins over the edge.
2) Our supply chain is so long, that a localized shutdown of economic activity will be felt across the world. Food production. Mined resources that go into virtually every product we use, as well as fossil fuel extraction, refining, and transport. Point to any object in any store, anywhere, and follow the supply chain back across countless borders -- all of which would now be closed.
3) Service sector jobs depend on the movement of people -- what happens to minimum wage service sector employees, when air traffic shuts down? Corporate balance sheets? If a snowstorm can be blamed for massive quarterly losses, what does a border closing do?
4) I see a lot of "The borders are wide open to immigrants" on ZH. Ok. Fine. Our borders are porous. But it is the upper middle class businessman who does most of the travelling. Poor people are relatively immobile -- its the people with the money who travel. Fortune 500 companies have thousands of people who take one or more business trips per week, connecting in countries all over the world. In order to quarantine, all of this business has to be stalled/distrupted. The magnitude of this is huge. And no, all of this business cannot be conducted via go-to-meeting online.
In short: If the wheels of commerce stop turning, this can result in resource shortages and business losses large enough for a round of bankruptcies and layoffs to occur, and for shelves to empty while prices inflate. Disruptions in supply chain and business processes hit real individuals in a very real way.
We can rant all we want about how an ebola pandemic is worse, so quarantine is justified. Ok, so it is, I agree that the only way to stop this thing is quarantine. SO WHAT? The solution is as harmful as the problem. It ends in empty shelves, riots against militarized police enforcing quarantine, and probably more wars, as nations fight for control of what little resources remain (and as nations try to distract from internal unrest by creating an external "enemy").
The average person is not prepared for 6 months of economic paralysis. Or 3 months. Or 3 weeks. Hell, in places like NYC, people don't have 3 days worth of food or any cash on hand.
What do we import from Lagos? Not much I think. The time for quarantine is before it becomes world wide. In the scenario you suggest it would already be too late to quarantine. A porous border is indeed a problem but no one on ZH has suggested a completely closed border. They do suggest that we follow some rules as to who is allowed to enter the country. Most countries of the world do this to some extent. Contrary to what you say, business travelers are subject to following rules. It is the poor flooding across the southern border that do not comply with any rules or regulation. Your scenario is based on false assumptions. I didn't give you a down vote but you deserve many.
The number of poor flooding across our borders daily is nothing compared to the number of people who cross borders daily LEGALLY (that was my point).
The sheer number of people passing through major airports daily should make that clear. Thousands of businessmen who each take 20 flights a month to 4-5 different countries, compared with a smaller number of immigrants who travel from one country to one other country. Statistically the immigrant is not the only threat. We have been quick to label immigrants as the only source of transmission -- lets also look at how easily someone who complies with all the laws can transmit disease.
"What do we import from Lagos? Not much" I am not saying shutting down traffic from Lagos alone would have the effect I described. Nor did I say anywhere that I don't think a quarantine of 4 countries in Afria is a bad idea.
I'm simply saying that the movement of people and goods is not something you shut down without negative consequences. If this thing spreads and we end up with tighter borders and restrictions on trade, it is going to hurt everybody, and not just financially. The comment above suggested a tradeoff between health and the economy. But the economy is also vital to health. I'm just pointing out the harm that quarantines cause -- I never said they were not necessary to stop the spread of the disease.
There is no "MY SCENARIO". Just wanted to open up the discussion as to the balance between halting spread of a virus, and attempting to keep the commerce and trade going that is keeping most people fed and employed, and keep food on the shelves.
The comment I was referring to was regarding "disaster preparedness seminar focused around policy and procedure in the event of a major pandemic". My comment was to discuss how the government and "experts" may have policies and procedures that end up causing a lot of harm. (Read FEMA and other gov't documents on procedures to lock down society to save us from ourselves if you want to see something every bit as scary as ebola.)
Also keep in mind government quarantines can lock you IN with sick people as easily as they can lock the sick OUT.
I remain wary of policies and procedures that attempt to control the populace and restrict the movement of people and things. I am even more wary of them when they are motivated by fear and panic, which are prevalent emotions in a widespread pandemic. The west african outbreak is not yet at that point -- and I would agree with you that the only way to contain it is to quarantine. It should have been done already. But it is possible that when TPTB realize that, they will over-react and possibly create a cure worse than the disease. Which is what they do with everything they touch.
Then why are American Businesses in Lagos? Why is China so interested in Lagos?
You are so very wrong. You actually deserve the downarrows which I awarded you. In fact anybody with a IQ that is above that of a Double Digit understands that we have interests in the NATURAL RESOURCES of Nigeria. Wars have been fought and many have been slaughtered to secure those claims to African Natural Resouces.
Do you know ANYTHING about DIAMONDS? While the clearest of the clearest are faceted and marketed as Gemstones that is not what the vast majority of Diamonds mined are used for. The vast majority of Diamonds are used as abrasives in INDUSTRIAL APPLICATIONS. Diamond is actually as common of a substance as Ameythist. We could not grind metal surfaces within the tolerances required without Diamonds.
Does Nigeria produce Diamonds? That is just one of the resources. Nigeria has a vast plethora of Mineral Wealth. I do not even have to mention Gold and Silver.
http://www.tradeinvestnigeria.com/news/689000.htm
What about Oil and Natural Gas deposits?
You are so fucking MYOPIC. I do not even know why you are on a FINANCIAL website other than that of promoting your brand of xenophobia.
"What do we import from Lagos?"...as if Lagos is a Nation and not the capital city of Nigeria...which just serves to demonstrate your absolute ignorance of World Geography.
What an IGNORANT question which is so deserving of contempt.
The most fun is when the CDC guy, can't recall which one of the CDC idjats it was...said that, "well, we just don't shut down American borders to those who are ill anymore."
Yep. America has reached its official stupid low.
"Worst affected (by the 1918 "Spanish Flu") was Western Samoa, a territory then under New Zealand military administration. A crippling 90% of the population was infected; 30% of adult men, 22% of adult women and 10% of children died. By contrast, the flu was kept away from American Samoa when Governor John Martin Poyer imposed a blockade.[" WIKIPEDIA
Earth to Washington, do you read?
you can go lower... infinite more lower level
stupidity is infinite.
Might take just a few American deaths to initiate all out panic and TEOTWAWKI.
Movie "After Armaggedon" is well worth a look see.
Entirety on youtube.
Tonight I'm gonna party like it's 1349. Wenchez.
Soul Sacrifice
Wenchez 1967-1985, before AIDS & Tom Wolfe killed casual sex
So, I'm considering reverse-spamming Nigerian email address with this:
I have 50 boxes of ZMAP experimental ebola vaccine. Need to send to you. Please send deeds and all legal documents for your property to me so I know where to send them.
Your waiting western prince,
ZMAP Distribution services
Oh shit! That's the shizzle right there!
That is totally bankster right there.
Fucking partnership material at Goldman, that
In harmony with the Dimon Principle.
Turn about is fair play
go for it
Hilarious and brilliant except for one thing: What on earth would you do with property in the ebola zone? I realize there is oil there but not under any dirt some poor shlub owns.
What on earth would you do with property in the ebola zone?
I would settle for pics of Franklin and Jackson
Elaborate disinfection as a precaution...
After you torch the top you mine it for the Gold, Diamond and other mineral deposits.
I could use the land deeds to pay for the dowry of that Nigerian princess that keeps writing us. Or use the land deeds to buy that Brooklyn bridge I hear is for sale. Or I could bundle the Nigerian land deeds as a derivative J P Morgan to sell as an emerging market opportunity..... Banksta gangsta..
Well, the news hasn't mentioned it in a while, so I guess it's over, or just not that important anymore. /sarc
Two more cases in Nigeria today. Spouses of medical folks that died. They were running around in the wild until they started to show symptoms. They were being watched for that, but still.
Based on some back of the napkin math I call 2300 dead on 9/23/14.
http://i.imgur.com/n0W5Lxv.png
Too low. I'd put money on it.
i wouldnt take that bet
I think there are at least that many now, dead, or close to death with no hope of recovery because of where they are and who they are. This is a situation where we may well reap what we sow.
We are losing 50-100 a day currently. I'd say we are somewhere between 5k-10k by then. That's when you'll see the first signs of real panic.
Pfft. Those are official numbers, not to be believed if you listen to the officials.
ebola would be the perfect cover for nigeria taking over all of west africa in a military operation. can you imagine if one country in africa actually decided to carve out an region as an empire for itself? it's been over 500 years since any serious sub-saharan--african power was expressed in any meaningful fashion viz-a-viz the rest of the globe.
If nigeria doesn't create an army soon to take over west africa, ebola might kill everyone.
GREATER NIGERIA!!!!!
Pangeria!
Damn Ebolas! I hate the Ebolas. Killing people now, taking jobs in the future.
We should kill all of the Ebolas. They treat their women right either. And their food is gross.
I heard that it was really Ebolas flying the planes on 9/11.
I'd never let my daughter marry an Ebola.
I think an Ebola just moved in down the street. What's the world coming to when you can't prevent Ebolas from moving into your neighborhood?!
Ebolas dress weird. Their hair is nasty.
Ebolas' are such parasites, they wanna live off of those who do real work.
Ebolas will collapse the system, they are so dependent. They won't earn anything themselves they are always looking for a hand out. Useless eaters.
Ebolas just mindlessly multiply, no family planning.
Once Ebolas have a large enough number in an area, they start wanting to set policy and run things their way.
We should just eradicate them all.
you havent changed abit, ms.creant...
I have my eye on you.
Just wait until the 50k in West Point Liberia start getting sick in a couple weeks.
My Ti 84 seems to think that if West Point doesnt fall we will have global spread in only 9.5yrs. That was a straight forward projection with no adjustments at all. Regression analysis was carried forward on this data. http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/08/20140818_ebola1.jpg However if West Point suffers a 60% kill rate and you add that to the calculation - We have 330 days to total infection.
I dont think they can get it under control at all now. Too many mistakes made wich caused a total collapse in trust. If the sick wont come forward its a little hard to contain!
One article noted all the backroads in these countries that are used by those with animals, like goats and such. Lots and lots of backroads. Try to shut all those down.
A few years ago saw a small article noting that the "gubbermint" ran some kind of pretend game for the gamers to see if they would break out of quarantine areas. As it turned out, it was a mad mess and even the dogs were breaking out.
Cameroon is fighting, what they are calling, an cholera outbreak and have shut their borders. But who knows what it is?
What worries me most is that there simply isn't the fresh water supply, lack of infrastructure, to properly clean. Keep seeing the pics of those plastic backpack thingies used to clean...snort, like that'll work. In Nigeria, in the capital which has the most infrastructure, only 50% of the population has running water, and it's not even considered clean.
Could someone send Oboma a new golf club? I hear he has worn his old one out?
Can't wait to see the looks on the faces of all our military troops - idiots who volunteered to go wherever the government tells them and do whatever the government tells them - when they are told: "You're going to Africa to secure borders against the ebola epidemic."
Go get em Mics!
WHO and the WTO are a fucking joke. Both work hand in hand to create global presence under manufactured falsehoods.
Eat shit and die Committee of 300/ Club of Rome.
You will die before we do!!! It's not nice to fool with mother nature, it's Chiffon.
/sarc
OMFG Shadow Zones!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1y4ou5Exzs
That was funny.
That was hilarious. The monkey running down the hallway resembled our dear leader.
fabian society eugenics lover and discreet satanist richard dawkins goes on twitter and advises families to abort babies if downs syndrome is likely.
in the uk cancer survival is based on postal zip codes.
a thing called liverpool care pathway probably killed over half a million people.
dr harold shipman killed over five hundred old folk a jewish loan wolf they say bad apple
you can trust a doctor.
my mother and grand parents where killed by doctors and nurses
over 80 thousand people a year die from misdiagnosis killed dead.
you turds are useless eaters
you need to be bled dry
once you are not economically viable you have to die
it is rockerfella simple
eustace mullins wrote a book called murder by injection.
ebola part psy operation but with a bill gates popualtion twist
call up fort derick ask them how many strains of ebola have they put patents on
ask them for a profile of this latest plague ask them has it got a patent on it and who owns it.
ask them why patents are put on human killing plagues
nuttyahoo just said a 4 year old got killed by a mortar from gaza no proofs no evidence as usual he said hamas will pay a heavy price.
looks like 2000 plus deaths is not enough
Tony,
Detrick, 2001... Remember?
Demon Dr. from Hyde?
We are more clear on the origins of EBOLA than POTUS. The second infection has killed more people.
POTUS has killed more I am afraid.
Hitting the wine tonight? :) You both said the same and are currently right on the same.
And as an afterthought... holy shit!! Currently Obama is indeed way deadlier than the Ebola virus.
Dude is unstoppable, he has even killed...
Hope.
WHO = IMF = Unscrupulous State parasites
Squirrels!
I smile every time you say it.
It could be a very deadly squirrel. But a squirrel ner the less.
I smile every time you post something. I look for you. I love intelligent women, everything else is masterbation.
People who accept that are lost. Many others too. Sex is factor, Leon.
I grew up in a factory as a child laborer. Thats white in America. The State college raysiss denied me, made sure I would Galt.
Never for a second have i compromised with evil. Just Look. Can't you see it, everywhere?
I do my best.
Just because you are paranoid does not mean they are not after you.
Just because it is a squirrel, does not mean it can't kill you.
Yes, of course you're right on both counts MsC.
But of all the things to be concerned about, ebola in west Africa and cigar stealing thugs in Ferguson are pretty low on my priority list, however these things (and other minor news stories) are always blown way out of proportion & presented as the most pressing matters of our time that simply must be addressed/corrected.
Meanwhile, a veritable flood of disease ridden squirrels are scampering over the southern border fence at the behest of some of our so-called leaders, from MS13 gangbangers released into the streets to tuberculosis. Still other squirrels have had their tails intentionally lit on fire and have been running through the halls of law/justice & higher learning for decades, this is where the damage is really being done.
So I regard things like ebola & Ferguson as state-run media distractions, just squirrels released into my path that I never swerve to avoid.
I mean, crows and buzzards gotta eat too ya know ;-)
Well I'm not the world's most physical guy
?But when she squeezed me tight she nearly broke my spine
?Oh my Ebola la-la-la-la Ebola?
Well I'm not dumb but I can't understand?
Why she walked like a woman and talked like a man?
Oh my Ebola la-la-la-la Ebola la-la-la-la Ebola
"As Ebola has no cure, some believe infected loved ones will be more comfortable dying at home"
100 percent of the Americans that got infected were cured and released from the hospital this week. So if you have ebola and can afford to get into the United States through Mexico you can get cured at this time.
With a sample size of two? OK. . .
We have absolutely no idea that they were even infected. They were likely part of the psy-op to quell unrest here. Get it? They were cured...which means that this this is beatable....so don't worry Americans./s
Now you know why they forced us to accept them back in to the country. It was to give us all the appearance that the bug can be cured by the high and mighty American medicine.
Much more troubling than these scumbag doctors in Atlanta is the fact that TPTB have been able to completely control the info flow on the half dozen or so REAL ebola patients in hospitals throughout the US.
If you don't drink water that corpses were floating in, you have nothing to worry about. Man up.
don't worry we are all going to be fine.
Forbes posted a piece telling everybody here in America that we are invincible and ebola can not harm us. if you are worried about the virus you are just a paraniod, ignorante and delusional pleeb who needs to seek prescription medication post haste...despite the fact that a british doctor stated that there was currently a need for enough experimental treetment to treat 30,000 people and that this strain is clearly showing the ability to spread in ways never before seen with ebola.
yeah, because Forbes is an authority on public health concerns right.
I can't help but wonder, will it be an ebola bomb ISIS will use to level an American city?
in any case I hear high doses of radiation will kill just about anything except cockroaches and lately it seems that Washington is trying very hard to ensure that we are all going to get plenty of it.
so there you see the brilliance of obamacare,the TOTUS is about to wipe out a whole host of medical and social issues in one massive nation wide program that will only take about ten minutes to complete, well maybe a half hour if the cure has to travel intercontinental. and he was right about it not costing the taxpayer a dime cause Russia will supply all the radiation we need.
I always hoped to live in interesting times...but this is just worng kind of interesting.
When i read about these people denying that they have Ebola, or its contagious, or there is even such a thing as Ebola, and they assure me it will all be fine, i think "change Ebola to Depression and they sure sound a lot like economists"