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Russia Explains Why It Rushed Entry Of Humanitarian Convoy

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In a nearly carbon-copy replica of last Friday when tensions escalated then de-escalated on rumors that Ukraine had attacked a Russian military convoy, today's Yellen speech has been completely upstaged by ongoing developments out of Ukraine, where Kiev condemned the entry of Russian humanitarian convoy trucks (subsequently adding it no longer knows where they are), following Russia's announcement it could wait no longer to provide aid to the citizens of the Donetsk People's Republic. And while NATO promptly echoed Ukraine' position once again as it did last Friday, now it is Russia's turn to explain why it rushed to enter the country, seemingly without express preapproval by the Ukraine government.

As Reuters reports, "Moscow is not in breach of international law over its humanitarian convoy to Ukraine, a senior Russian diplomat said on Friday."

"We are acting in full accordance with international humanitarian law norms," Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said in a statement. "We cannot accept and will not accept the disastrous situation in which people living in the south-east of Ukraine have found themselves."

 

Ukraine said on Friday the entry of Russian aid trucks onto its territory was a "flagrant violation" of international law and it appealed to the international community to condemn Russia's actions as illegal and aggressive

Putin also chimed in, expressing concern over the Ukraine military escalation, an escalation which Ukraine and NATO have roundly accused him of creating.

Finally, for those who missed it earlier, here again is the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs statement on the convoy, google translated:

The situation with endless artificial puffs address the issue of early delivery of Russian humanitarian aid to areas of the South-East of Ukraine has become intolerable.

 

Motorcade with many hundreds of tons of urgently needed for these regions of humanitarian aid for a week idle on the Russian-Ukrainian border. During this time, the Russian side in all spheres and at all levels have been made unprecedented efforts to settle the formalities. We went to meet all conceivable requirements of the Ukrainian side, given to the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), exhaustive lists sent to Lugansk food, water, medicines, essentials, power generators, which require such children, women, the elderly, experiencing daily the horrors of shelling and air raids, which resulted in multiplying the number of killed and wounded, the whole system collapses livelihoods. We went over and over again with respect to the wishes of checking and rechecking the route of delivery, the completion of the procedures for its transmission, with the ICRC signed the necessary documents. Provided all the necessary security guarantees to ensure the provision of such guarantees and by militias - and not only for the Russian columns, but also for humanitarian convoys, directed in Lugansk Kiev authorities.

 

Meanwhile Kiev for several days set aside formally required to consent to the ICRC, inventing all new pretexts and parallel to increasing attacks on Lugansk and Donetsk with aviation, heavy armor against residential areas and other civilian targets. In recent days, frequent strikes by ballistic missiles, including the deadly "Tochka-U".

 

It seemed that the situation was resolved on August 21, when the Ukrainian government and, finally, the ICRC reported their readiness to proceed to the design of humanitarian supplies for immediate shipment to Lugansk. Consent of the Ukrainian side at the beginning of the movement of the column has been officially confirmed, without any reservations, in a telephone conversation foreign ministers of Russia and Ukraine. August 20 began the customs and border procedures at the checkpoint "Donetsk". However, on 21 August, the process was stopped referring to the sharply intensified shelling of Lugansk. In other words, the Ukrainian authorities themselves bombed destination assistance and for this reason they themselves prohibit its delivery.

 

Apparently, in Kiev, set out to provide full force "cleansing" of Luhansk and Donetsk for the upcoming Independence Day on 24 August. Strengthens the impression that the current Ukrainian leaders deliberately delaying the delivery of humanitarian aid, in order to achieve a situation where there is no one at all will help to provide. May settle on something to come up with the result to the scheduled August 26 meeting in Minsk.

 

It is outrageous blatant manipulation of external international experts involved in the preparation of this operation. Endless succession of contradictory, mutually exclusive signals that arrive at our address - a sure sign of "secret games" for the purposes that have nothing to do with solving a specific humanitarian task. Those who "holds the reins," making it difficult to save lives, alleviate the suffering of the wounded and sick, neglected the basics of the human community. Introduces us to the UN Security Council deals with an appeal for urgent humanitarian truce announcement consistently blocked by the very people who claim to preach universal values??. The last time this happened on August 21 when the United States and other Western members of the UN Security Council refused to accept the statement in support of a truce for the period of delivery of humanitarian assistance in Lugansk Russian and Ukrainian columns.

 

Reiterate all the necessary security guarantees passage of humanitarian convoys are given. In the presence of such guarantees, the ICRC has been officially recognized. Delivery routes known and verified mission of the ICRC. Documents are drawn. Loads have long been ready for inspection by Ukrainian border guards and customs officers, for a week at a checkpoint located "Donetsk" in the Rostov region. Know about it, and in those capitals where tirelessly demonstrate "increased concern" about the situation in the Ukrainian southeast. Nomination of new artificial claims and excuses has become humiliating.

 

Continue to tolerate such lawlessness, outright lies and inability of the impossible. All excuses for pulling the delivery of aid to people in the area of ??humanitarian catastrophe exhausted. The Russian side decided to act. Our convoy with humanitarian aid begins to move in the direction of Lugansk. Of course, ready for its support of the ICRC, and to their participation in the distribution of aid. We hope that this action will be able to take part and representatives of the Russian Red Cross.

 

Caution against any attempts to disrupt the purely humanitarian mission, which was prepared long ago, in an atmosphere of complete transparency and in cooperation with the Ukrainian side and the ICRC. Responsibility for the consequences of provocation against the humanitarian convoy entirely fall on those who are willing to continue to bring people's lives as a sacrifice to their ambitions and geopolitical designs, in flagrant violation of the rules and principles of international humanitarian law.

 

Again call on the Ukrainian leadership and influence him the United States and the European Union to urgently transfer the situation in the South-East of Ukraine into the intercom channel, start the agreements set forth in the Geneva declaration of Russia, Ukraine, the United States and the European Union on April 17, 2014 to terminate the use of force, facilitating humanitarian situation and the immediate beginning of a national dialogue involving all regions of Ukraine.

That said, at this point the potential for further escalation appears limited as the catalyst that many were waiting for now has been triggered and the next major headline event will be if and when there are reports that one or more trucks of the Russian convoy have been attacked or destroyed.

 

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Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:31 | 5129839 Frostfan1
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I know I can count on ZeroHedge for the KGB oops Russian viewpoint.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:33 | 5129847 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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I know I can count on company assets to be here to push Langley's viewpoint.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:34 | 5129853 Newsboy
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"Won't get played for no FOOL"

V.Putin

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:36 | 5129870 Beam Me Up Scotty
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As long as they aren't coming in with the Trojan Rabbit, everything should be OK.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:45 | 5129905 Manthong
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You gotta  hand it to Putin.

Looks to me like he’s having more fun exposing the western bozos; everyone from the US, to NATO, to the markets for the clowns they really are, than lobbing missiles at them.

London real estate, European farmers, Western businesses from tech to agri,..

just wait until the “market” rediscovers gold and platinum..

and then there is this little issue of winter, which purports to bring record cold (in more ways than one).

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:19 | 5130036 whotookmyalias
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Q: Why did the Russian cross the red line?

A: Because he knew the only recaction would be verbal

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:29 | 5130075 Patriot Eke
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I applaud him for finally sending in humanitarian assistance.  The region is without question in desperate need of it.  Hey, I know what to do.  Kiev can call its military back, leave the people in Eastern Ukraine alone, and then this whole mess would end.  That won't happen though, and we all know it.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:53 | 5130187 The Blank Stare
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Nice job Putin!  

 

Next time, put some Burger King signs on the trucks. Just to rub the salt a little more and make a few bucks.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 13:18 | 5130319 Manthong
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Aw geez, what a great waste of a marketing opportunity..

all that white space and no ads.

He shoulda at least gone to Chevron, Monsanto and Cargill and given them first dibs on the ad space.  

Those trucks have been seen by every set of eyeballs on the planet..

probabably even those newly discovered tribesman throwing spears at the helicopters. 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 13:33 | 5130423 The Blank Stare
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Hey you sub-human...it was my idea first!

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 14:55 | 5130915 Manthong
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Um.. yes it was.. I replied to your good idea.. but the companies who are sponsoring the destruction of Ukraine (Chevron, Monsanto, Cargill and probably Goldman Sachs) deserve the opportunity first.. followed by MacDonalds.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 03:45 | 5133524 The Blank Stare
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I hope you got the "sub-human" reference. That's what the Ukies call the Russian speakers. Not you. lol

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 15:42 | 5131185 PeterSchump
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Good to know the spirit of Walter Duranty is alive and well here.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:54 | 5130076 RaceToTheBottom
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I think that Putin is playing a longer game.

There will be nothing underhanded here at this point in the game.  He is setting the point that he cares more about the Ukraine citizens than their own country does.  

He will wait until he gets that victory in the court of international opinion before he moves on to the rest of the game...

 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 13:03 | 5130254 Bastiat
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Right, he delivers food and blankets: Kiev delivers, express,  steel and high explosives.  Life, good; death, bad.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 14:10 | 5134549 The Blank Stare
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Nice!

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:46 | 5129907 bobnoxy
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It is interesting though that so many seem to favor Russia's position on this and not America's. Anyone alive during the '60's and '70's must be in a mild shock at seeing this shift in perceptions. Up with Vlad, down with Obie. Interesting. I've traipsed along that road myself.

It's not like we or they are doing anything differently.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:03 | 5129968 matrix2012
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bob, are you confusing the BOLSHEVIK state with the today's RUSSIA :-)

btw those Bolshevik followers already relocated to the both sides of Atlantic.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:04 | 5129983 bobnoxy
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No, they were Commies by then.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:32 | 5130097 dontgoforit
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That was BO - before obama.  We'd rather just play and not pay attention to anything serious now. 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 13:05 | 5130265 Bastiat
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Even CFR admits we stirred up this crap in Ukraine -- pure aggression.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 13:39 | 5130461 SofaPapa
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One of the few things the CFR has said right recently.

I'd like to suggest some simple arithmetic as a way of examining credibility.

Take the number of countries where Russia has explicitly sent troops in the past ten years, and multiply each of those countries by the distance from Moscow (the capital of Russia).

Do the same calculation for the US.

Which ever country comes out with a number that is insanely higher than the other country is full of BS.

It seems like simple math to me.  I just don't get how anyone listens to the MSM storyline anymore...

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:38 | 5130123 Anarchy 99
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and the S.E. Med.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:10 | 5130001 MrPalladium
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I was a young man in the 1970s and I am not surprised at all. I share that shift in perceptions since the country I volunteered to defend in 1969 is now clearly bent upon world conquest, a goal that does not benefit U.S. citizens. Our government has turned into a murderous monster toppling governments and installing puppet regimes after considerable bloodshed and then loading up the puppet regimes with debt. Our massive defense budget could be cut in half and still leave the continental U.S. with ample defensive military capability.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:52 | 5130182 loonyleft
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+1 for a true american coservative. 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 13:35 | 5130413 gallistic
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News flash for Mr. Palladium-

The U.S. was not being invaded in 1969, and you were not "defending the country" in '69.

Better to get the memo late than never I suppose...

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 14:46 | 5130856 Mute Button
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His point stands. Soviet aggression was a real thing. We didn't see the USSA aggression lurking under its shadow due to Soviet brashness.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 15:09 | 5130982 MrPalladium
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"you were not "defending the country" in '69."

You will notice that I did not claim to have actually defended my country. I said that I volunteered to defend my country, and spent considerable time in training to do so.  Of course, my tour of duty had a great deal more to do with making sure that Germany remained an occupied country and only very indirectly and tangentially had something to do with to with defending the U.S.. The poster above is right though. The USSR invaded Czechoslovakia in 1968, and was perceived as a threat as was Communist China and its proxy, North Viet Nam. Back in 1969 the fear of "dominos" falling was credible.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 10:08 | 5133954 gallistic
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Fair enough- unfortunately, you were defending the ideological positions of the day against the "red menace" and "falling dominoes". Funny how those "dragons abroad to slay" vanished and do not even exist today. At the time they seemed terrifyingly real.

Nowadays we have new and improved dragons to slay.

"Perception shift" indeed!

Cheers

 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:51 | 5130183 Stormtrooper
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WE are being "led" by an illegal alien who is committing high treason against citizens of the US.  It is embarrassing to even consider supporting that team when I can clearly see that the Fed government has created another humanitarian crisis in Ukraine and is trying to pin it on Russia.  But, yeah, it's not like the Feds have been doing anything differently than they have been doing for the last 100 years.

Time for Convention of States to reign in, or eliminate Washington, D.C.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 13:41 | 5130401 Bioscale
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Looks like after the WWII fascism imploded into the US deep state and it's being revived in Europe again. The public of USA has no clue what is happing in Europe and ME now, and they are not going to get it unless they experience the devil war on its soil. It's really sad how  marginalized got Ron Paul, the most reliable source of quality information about the real thing. US attacked country after country abroad. The three letter agencies prepared the environment by big bribes, propaganda and power. And went.

Such enemy can't be defeated on foreign soil, you need to track it back to its home. US folks should be aware of the consequences.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 13:27 | 5130393 gallistic
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Bobnoxy is using a false equivalency and he knows it.

"It's not like we or they are doing anything differently"

What rot!

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:35 | 5129861 90's Child
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Does america explain to the international committee about their bombings and 'aid' and wait for the ok?

No so why should Russia be expected too.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:53 | 5129934 Dr. Engali
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File this under You Can't Make This Shit Up:

US and UK should back Assad to defeat ISIS - senior UK MP

 

http://rt.com/uk/182108-uk-assad-alliance-isis/

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:32 | 5130093 RaceToTheBottom
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It really pains me to see this and know that NO Newsperson will even try and hit this softball presented to them to hit out of the park.....

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:35 | 5129855 Dungholio
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I know where your cat lives.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:09 | 5130000 forwardho
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Are you threatening his pussy?

For shame Sir.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:35 | 5129864 OldPhart
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Wouldn't it be something if WWIII was started by the Red Cross?

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:29 | 5130069 NotApplicable
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Well, it worked a hundred years ago for the Bolsheviks.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:34 | 5130104 CheapBastard
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The International Red Cross spokesperson said on the radio they inspected these trucks carefully for weapons, etc and found none so the Red Cross gave the ok to proceed. I got the impression some RC workers would be accompanying the trucks across.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:56 | 5130205 loonyleft
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They were not able to get a guarantee of safety of passage. In other words, Kiev is using a favourite from the IDF playbook:

If I shell and rocket attack in your direction and  you get hit.....it's your fault

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:35 | 5130110 dontgoforit
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Smashing!

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:37 | 5129871 Kirk2NCC1701
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Hey, JackFrostfan1, it is said that "Every story has 3 sides:  your side, my side, and the Truth"

We at ZH are simply sick & tired of the BS, deceit, lies and propaganda that's spewing out of NY, DC and its Big 6 MSM networks, that control ~90% of all media.  If it appears "one-sided", it is to act as a Counter-Balance to the other far bigger One-Sided stories and fairy tales for adults - which you seem happy to listen to.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:42 | 5129893 Frostfan1
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Looks like I touched a raw nerve.

 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:44 | 5129901 Dungholio
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Why yes, yes you did.  Ignorant sheeple annoy us.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:46 | 5129903 BadDog
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no shit sherlock

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:04 | 5129977 Yen Cross
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  Aannnd he's gone>

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 21:52 | 5132860 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Yen Cross said:

Aannnd he's gone>

That's the second time he's been given the boot. The first time was about a year ago, and he was posting under the frostfan moniker. My memory is a little hazy regarding the details (and frankly, he's not worth the time to research), but he was a foaming at the mouth Israel-firster. My recollection is that something set him off and he let loose with a shamefully absurd rant, something along the lines that ZH was like stormfront.

A month or two later, he reappeared as Frostfan1 and, given his previous spittle-flecked invective against ZH, I was surprised that he'd been given another account. After clicking on his name, I learned that his Frostfan1 account had been created a couple of years earlier, probably as a backup in case his frostfan account got shitcanned.

Like a dog returning to its vomit, he'll eventually be back under another name.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:38 | 5130127 dontgoforit
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If we thought for a second that real journalism still existed in the world, we'd be eating it up - people are hungry for the truth.  However, many now do not trust the press.  We see them as lap dogs for the liberal-leaning, progressive, communist slanted dipshits and quite frankly we don't like it.  Don't like it at all.  So yeah, you could call that a raw nerve.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 15:53 | 5131244 Mute Button
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I'm skeptical whether you can see a nerve to strike.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:49 | 5130171 Phuk u
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Tiberius

Just acting as a counter-balance to fairy tales does not make it right or true,

all media is slanted but you can still read between the lines.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:38 | 5129874 Dr. Engali
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I see, you prefer the CIA er..... I mean the U.S.A viewpoint. There can't possibly be any agenda there.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:58 | 5129951 MeBizarro
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Equally ridiculous point though is the incredibly pro-Russian standpoint on here especially the ridiculous admiration for Putin.  Putin at a minimum is going to carve out 'security zones' in eastern Ukraine and look to put a gov't in place that is much more pro-Russian.  Basically is duplicating what happened in Georgia with the only exception being that he didn't need to sucker the Georgian leadership into foolishly 'invading' Russian-held territory. 

There isn't a 'good side/bad side' in this story.  Just two powers using Ukraine and their people as the battleground.   Really nothing new either and something that has been going for a long, long time.  The losers as usual are the Ukrainian people just as the Vietnamese, Cambodian, and a host of other African and Central American countries were in recent decades. 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:13 | 5129975 Dr. Engali
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Don't mistake disgust with the constant lies coming from the war mongers in the west with admiration of Putin. Make no mistake he is a statist who will do what best preserves his seat of power just like our statists here.FYI the western war machine is in full instill fear mode, just in case you weren't paying attention.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:19 | 5130025 MeBizarro
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Could have fooled with the posts on ZH the past few months. 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:40 | 5130139 dontgoforit
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It's not Putin-worship.  It's just that we see the same crap from this side of the matter.  And another thing, obama is such a lying persona, it is hard not to see Putin as possibly less of a liar.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:25 | 5130044 MrPalladium
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"The losers as usual are the Ukrainian people"

Of course, and they are the victims of the the coup organized and financed by the U.S. against the legitimately elected Ukrainian government. It looks like this adventure in provocation by the U.S. will backfire, and it shows us that we have delusional incompetents running foreign policy. None of us here at ZH have any particular love for Putin or Russia, but we recognize that Russia and the nations bordering Russia should manage their own affairs without our interference. Indeed, the increasing quantity of trade between Russia and the rest of the Eurasian continent tells us that the Russian regime recognizes that it must continue to deliver tangible economic benefits to its citizens in order to maintain its legitimacy.  We should let them continue on that civilizing course which we have now disrupted out of irrational motives and calculations by our deluded government. All that a U.S. supported puppet government in Moscow would offer is debt slavery to the Russian people.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:26 | 5130056 Theta_Burn
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Here, here

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 16:10 | 5131322 Optimusprime
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That's "Hear, hear!"  As in pay attention.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:37 | 5130124 MeBizarro
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Trade have been overwhelmingly in raw goods from Russian benefitting a sliver of the popluation.  Putin has been willing to write off large portions of the country and the Russian citiznes who live there.  Kind of what I think is going to increasingly happen in the US too and it has been on a much lesser scale if you look at trends in rural America and in large portions of the Midwest.   

In an ideal world, Russian would base it upon economics and trade but that isn't what Putin has done either solely.  Understand why the Russians have reacted in the way they have especially given the US foreign policy in both the Central Asian republics, Caucacus, and increaisngly in eastern Ukraine.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 14:55 | 5130918 TeaParterade
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This is disgusting and embarrassing to write a post and comment like this

We should have let Hitler manage his own affairs without our interference while he massacred 6 MIL ppl, and let Bashar al assad gas his own people with chemical weapons. Pol pot? Have at it buddy! Even ISIS is an example of what happens when you let extremism or those with a deluded and extremely strong force of ideas have free reign for too long. The beheading of a journalist (which i'm sure everyone at ZH somewhat considers themselves) should be a chilling reminder to what would happen in a more ‘free’ society that ZH seems to write so wistfully for. A true libertarian believes that everyone should be left alone to do their own thing but already we are seeing the disasterous consequences of that in Syria as the unrest has spilled over into Iraq and elsewhere.

Having lived in Russia and just recently moved out of Moscow, your last comment is absolutely terrifying. You have NO idea. You have no idea of the crackdown that has happened in Russia on those with dissenting views in the last six months, how those with extremist ultra nationalist (and non pro-economic) views are given center stage in prime time TV, how the Russian propaganda machine is trying to brainwash a population even more effectively than hitler did. The youth are terrified and in fact hoping that the west pushes back on Putin because people worry if he gets away with this and cracks down on the populous, why should he need to care about the economic benefits you seem to think he recognizes he needs? he HATES relying on economic growth to keep the populus satisified. He would love to not have to worry about it, and by using this "western consiporacy" to justify a rebuilding of an old Russian empire he will have the popular support he needs to not have to worry about GDP growth per capita.

I challenge ZH to try to post the kind of things it posts while sitting in Russia, in an Russian incorporated business, with the "wests" side of the story and see how long it lasts.  Western democracies are so wrong in so many ways but  if it weren’t for western democracies and an attempt at a fres press and the guardian of certain rights, you wouldn't have a job.

 I challenge the individual who wrote this post to visit Moscow for six weeks and then come back, if this person even has a passport. Disgusting and ignorant.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 15:06 | 5130974 Theta_Burn
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Challenging conquest is one thing, aiding and abetting...oh never mind

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 14:55 | 5130920 TeaParterade
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This is disgusting and embarrassing to write a post and comment like this

We should have let Hitler manage his own affairs without our interference while he massacred 6 MIL ppl, and let Bashar al assad gas his own people with chemical weapons. Pol pot? Have at it buddy! Even ISIS is an example of what happens when you let extremism or those with a deluded and extremely strong force of ideas have free reign for too long. The beheading of a journalist (which i'm sure everyone at ZH somewhat considers themselves) should be a chilling reminder to what would happen in a more ‘free’ society that ZH seems to write so wistfully for. A true libertarian believes that everyone should be left alone to do their own thing but already we are seeing the disasterous consequences of that in Syria as the unrest has spilled over into Iraq and elsewhere.

Having lived in Russia and just recently moved out of Moscow, your last comment is absolutely terrifying. You have NO idea. You have no idea of the crackdown that has happened in Russia on those with dissenting views in the last six months, how those with extremist ultra nationalist (and non pro-economic) views are given center stage in prime time TV, how the Russian propaganda machine is trying to brainwash a population even more effectively than hitler did. The youth are terrified and in fact hoping that the west pushes back on Putin because people worry if he gets away with this and cracks down on the populous, why should he need to care about the economic benefits you seem to think he recognizes he needs? he HATES relying on economic growth to keep the populus satisified. He would love to not have to worry about it, and by using this "western consiporacy" to justify a rebuilding of an old Russian empire he will have the popular support he needs to not have to worry about GDP growth per capita.

I challenge ZH to try to post the kind of things it posts while sitting in Russia, in an Russian incorporated business, with the "wests" side of the story and see how long it lasts.  Western democracies are so wrong in so many ways but  if it weren’t for western democracies and an attempt at a fres press and the guardian of certain rights, you wouldn't have a job.

 I challenge the individual who wrote this post to visit Moscow for six weeks and then come back, if this person even has a passport. Disgusting and ignorant.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 16:11 | 5131200 MrPalladium
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From Wikipedia - "Russian economy is the sixth largest in the world by PPP.[3] Between 2000 and 2012, Russia's energy exports fuelled a rapid growth in living standards, with real disposable income rising by 160%.[28] In dollar-denominated terms this amounted to more than sevenfold increase in disposable incomes since 2000.

It is the very economic growth over the past 14 years that has alarmed the U.S.. Under Putin and Medvedev, Russia has gained sufficent economic power to block the U.S. Neocon agenda in Russia and Asia. Indeed energy exports have provided the resources to import, for example, the many thousands of tons of fruits and vegetables from around the world which the government has temporarily boycotted. Arguing that a few hundred oligarchs could consume all those thousands of tons of imported fruits and vegetables is absurd. These imports benefit the average person as has the economic growth and increasing trade over the past 14 years.

There is no doubt that the economic growth has benefitted a wide swath of Russian society, even if poverty has not yet been entirely eliminated.

You sound like an employee of one of the 3000 or so NGO's that is trying to subvert the government of Russia. It is no wonder the Russian government suppresses your speech. Your goal is the overthrow of that government just like your comrades did in Ukraine. Given your hostilie intentions involving revolution and coup, if I were in Putin's place, I would do much more than just throttle your speech. I would deport all of you immediately. It is not the government you are after but the enslavement of the Russian people to western debt and to reduce them to the status of peasants in the pale of the settlement 150 years ago, a vision of powerlessness that provides a great deal of psychic comfort to our ruling elites here in the U.S. with ancestral roots in that region of the world.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:24 | 5130052 Theta_Burn
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Slightly more ridiculous, is the fact that prior to a western backed coup in the Ukraine, nobody was worried about Russia, or had any problem doing buisness with them.

It's not 2 powers in a struggle here, it's 1 power fucked with the wrong power. I really hope Russia carves out security zones...i would, serves the criminal bastards right.

There is something happening new here, desperation by a bunch of bankrupt nation fools fucking with the wrong guy...

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:31 | 5130092 Winston Churchill
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Desperation is right, reckless desperation to be more exact .

Its not going to end well.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:38 | 5130118 RaceToTheBottom
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The Putin Mancrush team has long ago built up the justifications and rationalizations to at least be able to justify to themselves that they are open and logical about this.

I call it a ManCrush but in reality must be some sort of a "I hate the Man, so people opposing the man must be good".  

When you peal off the layers, it really is that simple.

That and a bit of "I feel neutered, so anyone that takes action makes me feel less neutered".

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:54 | 5130191 Theta_Burn
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Until we get to the final and most simple layer, were we could have minded our own fucking business....

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:57 | 5130218 RaceToTheBottom
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Flimsy justification.  Why would chearing Putin on be part of "minding our own business"?

Your duct-tape on your rationalizations and justifications is showing.

Or maybe there are three groups:

Anti Putin

For Putin

Real Libertarians who want all troups and influence to stop at the US borders.....

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 13:05 | 5130270 Theta_Burn
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1) cheering the side in the right?

2) If we minded our business this thread wouldn't exit?

3) Real Libertarians who want all troups and influence to stop at the US borders..... This is a bad thing?

Keep this up, I'm on the verge of cheering for Obama, IMF, and NATO...

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 13:17 | 5130334 RaceToTheBottom
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When did I say the group I presented as the third group was a bad thing.  Don't put words in my mouth

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 13:24 | 5130372 Theta_Burn
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Due to the lack of any presentation whatso ever, it was hard for me to keep up...

I apologize..

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 13:32 | 5130415 RaceToTheBottom
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FYI, I like the Libertarian thought, #3, and wish it was one of the options that was taken seriously in the world.   It would solve many problems short term and long term might lead to more empowered people.

It might be different if we were really bright, but look at every hot spot worldwide and you can see the CIA's markings of a solution....  I rant

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:51 | 5130178 nosoeawe
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Russian and Chinese nukes are the only thing keeping this world from complete tyranny perpetuated by the united states government

 

 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:39 | 5129880 ebworthen
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KGB "oops"?

Most of us just don't like neo-Nazi coups & wasting U.S. taxpayer dollars on them.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:38 | 5129883 Bunghole
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I'm sure there are plenty of Hasbara friendly news sites you can troll.

Dont let the door hit 'ya where the good lord split 'ya.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:46 | 5129912 Omen IV
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I am neither an agent nor russian, merely an adult able to discriminate and analyze data - the USA is a scourge and warmonger  throughout the world today and yesterday

Secretary of Defense McNamara was clear - the Gulf of Tonkin resolution was based on a lie as has everything the USA has done since that time

Russia will withstand sanctions and war because they are not the USA - whose support is a mile wide and an inch deep - the USA and its Fascist cronies in Kiev are headed for defeat

time will tell! -

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:58 | 5129947 NOTaREALmerican
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Well,   the sociopaths who run Russia are no better or worse than our sociopaths, and Russia will have a tough time withstanding sanctions because we ARE the worlds biggest dicks and Europe is still occupied by us. 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:49 | 5129920 Aussie V
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Watch this PRICK and then tell us we back the Russians. We hate the lies and the media bias. ButI'm sure you know all about that as they write your cheques

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1ACd4UedOA

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:00 | 5129959 RisingSun
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You and I know that its fake, why are you spreading Russian lies here? Here is the real video from Russia.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV6ct4GW7pw

 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:49 | 5129922 pot_and_kettle
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" you are of a differing opinion ergo you side with KGB "

sterling thought process.

/endsarc

Oh, and it's FSB these days, 70's cold-warrior.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:52 | 5129927 tony wilson
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frostfan what happened to your sayanim friends

hasbara asleep

i have given you 1 warning already continued and reckless use of the up tick button

on your own words is a war crime against truth.

not quite a holocaust but on the way my son.

cease and desist your self up tick crimes or we will have find a final solution

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:54 | 5129937 RisingSun
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Thing is, majority of readers here are just pro everything that is Anti-Western/US.

Most of them would rather still live in the US, where sites like Zerohedge can operate, as we know or maybe zerohedge readers dont know, that Russia will require bloggers to register with the government.

 

As for Ukraine, as someone from Eastern Europe, the lies that come from Russian TV are just shocking, my own country (yes I live in Baltics) are often accused of Fascism. You know why? Because we ask the Soviet Russian Occupants to learn our history & language. Russia complains that we are fascists and whatnot because we have so many non-citizens that are Russians by ethnicity. They can become citizens if they wish to do so, but they wont, because it would require for them to learn our history and language. Most of them probably hope that one day there will be "liberators" from Russia, like those Russian citizens such as Strelkov in Eastern Ukraine. 

 

Fun fact: In Russia you can become a citizen only if you know Russian language & history...in Baltics we are fascists because we dont give Russians who cant speak our language citizenship. 

Knowing first hand how much lies Russia is spreading about my own country, I often find it hard to believe anything they say about Ukraine.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:02 | 5129973 NOTaREALmerican
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Interesting post.  It would be interesting to hear what real people close to Russia think about things.     Keep posting; and just ignore the anti-USA posters, they are just commie-loving hippies that didn't support Vietnam either,  most of them probably know Jane Fonda personally.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:02 | 5129974 MeBizarro
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Nicely stated and a fact that is completely overlooked here.  This site would simply be banned in Russia and repeated attempts either in print or others would be met with gradual levels of escalation including imprisonment and/or even state-sponsored execution.  Just look at the number of Russian media journalists who have been killed in Russia since Putin came to power. 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:07 | 5129993 RisingSun
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Thanks,

Just look at this Aussie V poster, he is took some video from a Russian website claiming that Ukraine is bombing with rockets a city in Eastern Europe, however that video is a lie AGAIN by the Russian state TV.

 

Here is the real video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV6ct4GW7pw

 

But who cares right? Doesnt fit the anti-west/pro-russia agenda.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:11 | 5130005 RisingSun
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Eastern Ukraine*.

There was a video also after Ukrainian army took back Slovyansk on how they were killing people there, which was fake also. They completely ignored the video where people were celebrating Ukrainian army with Ukrainian flags in the city and the fact that they can live in peace, oh and no Banderas (the boogyman Russian media uses) there.

 

 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:06 | 5129990 tony wilson
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rising son i am not sure i would call you folks fascists maybe just low level opportunists that enjoy raping woman and cattle that is all.

the use of cattle for sexual activity is not a crime in the talmud so i am not making any judgements against your satanic book practice.

i try to stay clear of satanists in general as they are not much fun.

my advice is move to sweden this lady can help you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2Vq_e2Z1ug

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 13:34 | 5130089 matrix2012
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Everyone suffered under the BOLSHEVIK rules, and the Russian people suffered the most.

Therefore it's very insincere and untrue to regard the Russian people as the Bolsheviks! Indeed the Bolshevik followers already relocated to the both sides of Atlantic.

The Baltic countries are just the tiny spots on the borders of the giant Russia, in terms of the every aspect that matters include but not limited to the land masses and populations.

Lithuania has 3.001 millions, Latvia 2.036 millions and Estonia 1.283 millions...altogether less than 6.4 mils vs. 142.5 mils of the Russian Federation.

It's very UNWISE and thoughtless for the little men to antagonize their way much bigger neighbor. Those tiny states can try to alter every aspect of their countries but not their neighbor!

My very suggestion to the Baltic folks, try at best to be good and well behaved neighbors to your doorstep giant, and pay the duly respect to their size and strength!

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:01 | 5129966 Duffy
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Ah Frostfan - one of ZH's most irritating, dishonest, and stupid hasbara ziopaths.

 

 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 15:03 | 5130953 Gadfly
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And we know we can count on you for the Zionist/CIA/Facist viewpoint.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 15:14 | 5131005 blazinrabbit
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And then there are those who have flat lined and don't have the sense to know they’re dead.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:31 | 5129843 Kirk2NCC1701
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Boys, we got us a Convoy!

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:39 | 5129882 general ambivalent
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Come on and join our convoy
Ain't nothin' gonna get in our way.
We gonna roll this truckin' convoy
'Cross the U-S-A.
Convoy!

 

"Ah, breaker, Pig Pen, this here's the Duck. And, you wanna back off them hogs? Yeah, 10-4, 'bout five mile or so. Ten, roger. Them hogs is gettin' in-tense up here."

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:51 | 5129928 localspaced
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Lol...been humming that tune all week.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:54 | 5129936 clade7
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Stop saying "Convoy" wouldja?  I cant help it!

 

Oh we got a Russkie Convoy rockin' through the night!  loaded down with tanks and guns and stuff, itchin' for a fight!

C'mon and join Vlads convoy ant no NATO gonna get in his way, you stole his gas now He'll kick your ass, now you got some hell to pay!  Vladvoooooy!

 

Higballin' in west on the M04 and I knew we was in trouble, toll gate down on the 'Dont-ask' bridge and I didnt have a dog gone ruble.

I said "Big Sven, this here's the Moscow Duck, we aint a gonna pay no toll", so we crashed the gate doing 98 (km) said lets these Russkies roll!

Vladvooooy!  ConVlaaaad!

refrain:

 

Some Poles showed up in a turnip truck, and the Ice Road Truckers too!  A pair of Chinks on a three wheeled bike loaded down with green bamboo.  A Global effort of Whired Wide Peas, nearly every one took part!  Eleven long haired friends of ISIS on a coccamamie camel cart!  Vladvooooy!  Convlaaaad!

refrain:

 

Well we rolled on down into Donkey town and them Ukes was wall to wall, they was yelling and screaming and throwing shit but they didn't know who to call.

They finally got through to the Whitehouse, and asked what they should do.  "Hit the 'Reset' button, dont act stupidly, 'Ol Vlad is just playing through"  10- fore!

refrain

 

 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:53 | 5130192 dontgoforit
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LOL, clade7!  Well done.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:01 | 5129970 Dungholio
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There's armored cars and tanks and jeeps
'n' rigs of ev'ry size
Yeah, them chicken coops was full of bears
And choppers filled the skies
Well, we shot the line, we went for broke
With a thousand screamin' trucks
And eleven long-haired friends of Jesus
In a chartreuse microbus

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:35 | 5129854 taraxias
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Is this mean I should buy the ATH again?

Fuck, someone slap me and wake me up from this farcical nightmare I am made to relive every day.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:19 | 5130031 wanderintheland
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No, it means you should buy a silver ATB (or many of them).

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:35 | 5129856 Global Hunter
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Some of the Russian trucks in the aid convoy in central Lugansk city pic below.  Lets see how brave the Ukrainian Natz Guard are now to shell the civilians there...

https://twitter.com/GrahamWP_UK/status/502821727458828288/photo/1

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:23 | 5130049 JohninMK
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Looks like the first 16 truck got through.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:35 | 5129862 Bill of Rights
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From Russia with love, see its apeacful mission we're on...trust us

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnsADDxdf6w

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:39 | 5129868 SloMoe
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"the disastrous situation in which people living in the south-east of Ukraine have found themselves"

"Bummer. Look at the disastrous situation in which I have found myself."

WTF?

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:37 | 5129869 Son of Captain Nemo
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"Russia Explains Why It Rushed Entry Of Humanitarian Convoy"...

No explanation required.

You proved you are human and have a soul!

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:37 | 5129873 general ambivalent
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Good. Ukraine is the world's whore right now with Nudelman the pimp. Putin needs to send in a few Taxi Drivers, and hopefully slap the pimp too.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:38 | 5129878 ekm1
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Nobody wants to be blamed for starting the major war.

 

Both sides will try provokatsya moves to try to blame the other of starting war on all fronts openly.

 

This is nothing unusual. Europeans do this all the time for the last 1000- to 2000 years.

http://vimeo.com/89394659

 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:38 | 5129879 vote_libertaria...
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Maybe the truckers had to go pee and the closest truck stop was in Donestk.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 13:52 | 5130513 morongobill
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Nah, they'll turn an American weapon back on the Ukies/Nato:

http://www.roadsideamerica.com/rant/images/jugpee_poster.jpg

 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:39 | 5129884 ShrNfr
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Meanwhile, either Obama is taking checkers lessons from Kiev, or Kiev is taking checkers lessons from Obama. Or may be that is tic tac toe or rock paper scissers.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:50 | 5129925 vyeung
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na, the moron in the Whitehouse is too busy getting a head job by the first tranny. Then he's off to the golf course whilst America burns. No more teleprompting activites today.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:41 | 5129887 Yen Cross
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  Joke of the day: Kiev condemned the entry of Russian humanitarian convoy trucks (subsequently adding it no longer knows where they are).

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:43 | 5129896 Bill of Rights
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Hypocrite of the day award goes to: Bart Chilton

High-frequency trading critic Chilton joins HFT lobby effort

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:46 | 5129902 vyeung
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good move by Putin. Obviously these trucks carry the survival stuff for the poor people. They inspected the dame things. Now, these fascist/nazis tried to delay and delay. But Russia stormed in and the ball is in the fascist/nazis court to decide whether to bomb them. If they do, the world will serve justice (I hope it does and not all are dumb down). Smart move, becoz clearly these people are in great need.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:46 | 5129908 Rusty Diggins
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Maybe the tan ups guys grew tired of fetching ice to keep the caviar cold?

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:47 | 5129914 Inthemix96
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Perhaps Russia shouldnt have to explain?

Perhaps it was the right fucking thing to do?

Perhaps the fuckers in Kiev shouldnt have let it come to their own people starving?

Perhaps the EU, the USA and its assorted allies of misfits are in the fucking wrong?

Perhaps I AM LIVING in a real life marvel comic, in 3D?

:-(

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:47 | 5129916 vyeung
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Fark U NATO. Fark U DC Fascist/nazis and screw you EU fascists. The farking world seriously needs some justice instead of letting these mofo criminals off.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:47 | 5129918 Rusty Diggins
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Or, we have to empty the convoy to see what's in the convoy.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:50 | 5129923 Quinvarius
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We are turning out humanitarian aid trucks like sausages!  We will bury you...in food!

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:51 | 5129926 matrix2012
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Each day of waiting costs the many of falling lives of the innocent Eastern Ukraines.

Russia does the quite correct thing to rush up the aid ignoring the imposed impedance.

In the past USA and NATO cases, they would even fly over the aid along with the humanitarian bombing to save lives.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:56 | 5129940 forwardho
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In the past?

The US did this just last week in Iraq.

The ironic double standard here is truly a revolting bit o prpaganda.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:35 | 5130106 matrix2012
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Ooops, my bad, it's still present tense... do appreciate your correction, forwardho

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:52 | 5129931 vyeung
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Just to add - I would like to take my baseball cap off to the brave truck drivers and the aid personel in those trucks. Its extremely brave of them to drive into a hot war zone to save these people.!! BRAVO and I will prey for your safety!!

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:09 | 5129989 cowdiddly
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I looked at a pic of those Ups drivers gathered in the tan shorts and did not see any typical truckdriver beer guts, they all looked kinda fit as a fiddle like they just got out of boot camp or something. Im sure they can manage.lol But you are right going in unarmed or lightly is pretty ballsy. Hats off.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:57 | 5129942 bullchit
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Hands up any cunt who thinks Russia would need to invade Ukraine under these false pretenses? Yah,...OK, all you MIC cunts can put your hands back on your cocks now....

 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:58 | 5129946 JR
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It's a war crime: attacking residential neighborhoods and now holding up humanitarian relief so that civilians will submit to Victoria Nuland’s tyranny of the oligarhs.

Jim Kirwan called it what it is on 8-12-14:

Stop Listening! To the Voices of Treason!

“Major media in the United States is the voice we pay, to sell us their lies: Lies that have turned our world into a variation on what has happened to the people in Gaza and Eastern Ukraine.

“If the public refuses to track the truth, using common sense and the internet, then the frustration [the realities of subdividing each so-called nation into subsets of interest groups such as in Iraq, Gaza and Ukraine to break down unity in order for the oligarchs to seize their huge resources] will be here before most people have any clue about how dangerous it is, to fail to notice the fact, that we’ve already been captured. We need to rip out the tongue of treason that comes from corrupted media.

“An excellent example of how the realities of today continue to be contorted into lies, which is the current denial of reality, is coming from the so-called government in Kiev today. The issue in Ukraine is whether or not there’s a humanitarian crisis for the people living in and under the constant bombardment of what is left of the once prosperous manufacturing and industrial zones inside Ukraine. The government in Ukraine says NO. The people of the world, the United Nations and the Red Cross say YES.”

http://www.rense.com/general96/consequnc.html

http://www.rense.com/general96/stoplist.html

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 11:59 | 5129954 NoWayJose
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You can bet the Russians know exactly where the convoy is. They will have complete satellite, radar and photo surveillance. Kiev blasted MH17 when it thought no one was looking. Let's see if they try to hit the convoy knowing that it will be recorded.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:05 | 5129987 bullchit
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What's Spanish for Cunt? Is it Jose?..I bet it is....

 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:38 | 5130122 JohninMK
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From a map on militarymaps it looks as if the convoy turned off the main road about half way to Luhansk and went north nearly up to the Russian border before turning west in Luhansk.

This had two effects, it kept them very close to Russian aerial support (say attack helicopters) almost all the way and kept them as far as possible from Ukrainian Army artillery south east (covering the main road) and north of the town.

This could be another reason for half loading the lorries, the risk of going cross country in non 4x4 trucks.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:04 | 5129980 SoDamnMad
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10 people get killed in eastern Ukraine a day (and that is bad) while 100 get killed every day in Syria (very, very bad) and I don't see any aid conveys to Syria or even Turkey where so many refugess were taken in. In fact Russia did a wonderful job at the UN blocking any attempts to get a cease fire (gotta keep them Russian bases).

The Russian bloggers are home from work and just going strong.

Down vote me. I'm eating Norwegian salmon steaks tonight along with my Dutch veggies. Got a sort of apple torte in the oven from Polish apples.

 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:37 | 5130066 cowdiddly
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dont know where your getting your info but according to the DNR heres the numbers of Ukranie army troops from MAR2 to Aug 20

20124 Killed or wounded

279 prisoners taken

11875 deserters or missing

319 t-64 destroyed

7 t-72

19 t-84

and about 30 aircraft. Done all with basically heavy infantry which cost hardly diddly squat.

This is already more than the entire Chechen war. Which has got NAto/US barking on the sidelines. You enter here and you are going to pay in blood and it will take boots on the ground. You will not get the typical control of the air with Russian antiair missiles. You have to get down in the mud. And then you have to sell the high casualty rate to your people and good luck getting elected again.

Its a Bear fight. He just sits back and lets you beat yourself to death and when your all worn out bitch slaps you with those nasty paws. Same way since Napoleon's times.

Or How bout the Nazi's in WWII,

A Fact

first 5 days of the Nazi invasion of Russias

Russia lost 2999 aircraft and over 4000 Tanks in the first 5 days and still came back to win. Heck Russian women with sniper rifles killed more Nazi's than the US did.

This is why the dipshits in the Pentagon need to study history a little and Psaki needs to take high school geopgraphy lessons. They do not know what they are facing trying this insanely stupid crap.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:38 | 5130126 Winston Churchill
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That would have helped before invading Afghanistan.

A road trip up the Khyber pass by the Pentagon brass, could have stopped the stupidity.

The war memorials every mile or so to fallen invaders is pretty sobering.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:48 | 5130166 cowdiddly
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Yes, Afghanistan the ender of Empires.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:48 | 5130170 knukles
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Heads on sticks have a sobering effect as well.
Medieval?
Nah, just time tested proven method.

Why'd the Roman legions simply crucify random innocents along the roads when advancing?
Heads on sticks.

Warning Will Robinson, Warning!

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:56 | 5130211 clade7
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Heads on sticks are a good plan for our southern border...universally understood message...call it operation 'Spics on Sticks' ...

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:06 | 5129985 Duffy
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over at the Times put their predictable Zionist Jewish spin on the story. 

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/23/world/europe/russian-convoy-ukraine.ht...

 

I've noticed a real uptick there, and here - anyone criticizing the sort of neocon/MSM narrative [roughly - Russia bad, America good, Israel totally uninvolved and worried about being wiped off the map by evil Muslims, Ukraine not killing its own people, etc.] is accused of being a Russian paid troll etc.

Now, the "paid troll" thing has been around forever, and there are certainly some paid trolls out there - but this seems to me like projection.

 

The Timesis essentially the voice of the Deep State - and the Deep State is heavily Jewish and Zionist, and Zionist Jews have been wagng war on Russia for over 100 years.

 

and the Russians know it.

 

www.consortiumnews.com

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:27 | 5130065 tradewithdave
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... as if Russell Brand's red logo and white dog have a hidden meaning. You haven't been readin' your HuffPo...

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:13 | 5130013 walküre
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Just yesterday the Russians made it very clear that they have no intention to invade Ukraine. That is good enough for me! Russian boots on the ground this month and control over East Ukraine before winter. Go Putin!

What is NATO going to do? More sanctions that will backfire the minute they're uttered? Hot war in winter by proxy Poland assisting Ukraine? If Russia can capture the East or parts of the East before/during winter the Uke forces will retreat and by Spring the UN will have drawn a new map.

Biden's gas deals be damned!

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:14 | 5130015 Buster Cherry
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I think they rushed it because the milk was going to go sour....

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:23 | 5130048 tradewithdave
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Rushin' the back nine...

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:32 | 5130095 roadhazard
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Anything to keep the focus off of Crimea.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:42 | 5130146 JohninMK
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The Russians couldn't care less about any focus on Crimea.

It is now part of Russia, full stop. Anyone attacking it will be declaring war on Russia.

No-one wants to do that other than in some dream world.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 17:23 | 5131638 roadhazard
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You keep thinking that.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:41 | 5130134 socalbeach
Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:42 | 5130142 Wahooo
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Mic couldn't get us to wage all out war in the Uke, so now it's unleashed its pr to engage us with isis.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:46 | 5130158 gcjohns1971
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If you want to know the real situation in a country.  You have to appreciate their jokes.

 

I heard a good one from Russia the other day.  It is about a Russian apartment complex where one neighbor calls the police on the other.

 

1995:

Neighbor : "Hello?  State Security? You need to come get my neighbor.  He's EATING!"

Security:  "So what? Everyone eats!"

Neighbor: "He never stops eating!"

Security: "So what?"

Neighbor: "He's eating Black Caviar all the time! Where did he get so much money?"

Security: "That's suspicious."

Neighbor: "And he never goes to the store!  People bring it to him."

Security:  "Okay, we're coming."

 

2000:

Neighbor: " Hello? Security?  My neighbor is eating!"

Security: "So what?"

Neighbor: "He's eating black caviar all the time."

Security:  "So what?"

Neighbor: "He is unemployed and never leaves the house!"

Security: "We're coming."

 

2005:

Neighbor:  "Hello? State Security?  You must come.  My neighbor is eating!"

Security: "So what?"

Neighbor:  "He's eating caviar!"

Security: "We're coming."

 

2010:

Neighbor:  "Hello? State Security? You must come.  My neighbor is eating caviar!"

Security: "We're coming."

 

2014: 

Neighbor:  "Hello? State Security? My neigh..."

Security: "We're coming."

 

Sounds like Ferguson, doesn't it?

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 13:00 | 5130241 dontgoforit
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We're going to be just typing along one day, putting up a reply or comment to a comment and ZAP - it's going to be gone.  I'm gonna miss you guys. 

"Good luck Mrs. Mergatroyd, wherever you are!" - Jackie Gleason.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 14:03 | 5130556 clade7
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That was Jimmy Durante...Gleason said, " To the moon Alice" 

Goddamn, I'm old!

 

No doubt you are right about the posts though!

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