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Russian Humanitarian Convoy Enters Ukraine Without Authorization; Ukraine Considers Move "Direct Invasion"
Update 3: Ukraine's president speaks:
- UKRAINE CONCERNED OVER RUSSIAN AID CONVOY INTRUSION: POROSHENKO
- UKRAINE SEEKS TO AVOID ‘HEAVIER CONSEQUENCES’: POROSHENKO
And yet the locals seem happy:
Update 2: All trucks are now in Ukraine:
All the trucks have crossed the border and are now in Ukraine. We are back in Russia.
— Andrew Roth (@ARothNYT) August 22, 2014
Update: the farce is complete, although at least this time it didn't take Ukraine several hours to fabricate then unfabricate its plot line, because literally minutes after it accused Russia of invading, Ukraine's foreign minister said the convoy was "allowed" to avoid provocations. He added that the rebel militants are using mortars on the convoy route and that it had taken all necessary steps to ensure cargo safety but that Russia wouldn't discuss security for the convoy. Nonetheless it still accused Russia's convoy of breaking international law and said that convoy would go to separatists, not civilians, and called on its "international partners" (we suppose it means the CIA here, which apparently is feeding it this ridiculous script) to condemn the Russian convoy.
From Bloomberg:
- UKRAINE SAYS ALLOWED RUSSIAN CONVOY IN TO AVOID PROVOCATIONS
- NALYVAYCHENKO SAYS WILL GO TO SEPARATISTS, NOT CIVILIANS: IFX
- UKRAINE SAYS RUSSIA WOULDN’T DISCUSS SECURITY FOR CONVOY
- UKRAINE SAYS IT TOOK ALL NECESSARY STEPS TO ENSURE CARGO SAFETY
- UKRAINE SAYS RUSSIAN CONVOY IS BREAKING INTERNATIONAL LAW
- UKRAINE HAS CONCERNS OVER CONTENTS OF UNCHECKED RUSSIAN TRUCKS
Finally:
- UKRAINE WILL NOT USE ANY FORCE AGAINST RUSSIAN AID CONVOY, WISHES TO AVOID "PROVOCATIONS" - UKRAINIAN STATE SECURITY CHIEF NALIVAYCHENKO
Translation: it will accuse "rebels" of a direct attack on the Russian convoy when it happens, blaming Russia for trying to stage an attack so Russia has a provocation pretext to really invade, as opposed to the fake "invasion" Ukraine accused Russia of just moments ago.
In other words, the "MH17 scenario" is now in play, with the question not so much if and who "provokes" the Russian convoy in the coming days, but how Russia will react to it. It appears that contrary to expectations, today will be another trading session in which the main catalyst will be not Jackson Hole but Ukraine once again, as algos react, in an already illiquid market, with extended momentum to each and every contradictory headline.
Finally, with a scenario evolving in such a farcical and chaotic fashion, one wonders if John Kerry somehow managed to sail his sailboat into Kiev and is currently giving the Ukraine government the play by play.
Here we go again. Precisely a week after the fabricated headlines last Friday that Ukraine had blown up Russian military vehicles in Ukraine territory, "news" which promptly was forgotten when Russia denied and Ukraine couldn't produce any proof of said attack, now it is time for the real "humanitarian" convoy to become the topic du jour, and so it did a few hours ago when some 90 trucks from the convoy were said to have entered Ukraine territory, a move which Ukraine promptly denounced as a direct invasion.
A clip of the Russian trucks entering Ukraine via AP:
The reason for the convoy movement came overnight when the Russian Foreign Ministry said Ukraine seems to be seeking military victory by country’s independence day, "deliberately" delaying delivery of humanitarian aid. Russia added that is sees no reason to delay further, and the aid convoy starts moving toward Luhansk. "We warn against any attempts to halt solely humanitarian mission" that was prepared transparently with cooperation from Ukraine, Red Cross, ministry says.
RT adds that Russia said it had met all imaginable and unimaginable demands, including handing exhaustive lists of cargo details to the Red Cross, and that Kiev was inventing new pretexts each day for delaying humanitarian convoy, while the Red Cross reportedly said it was frustrated with Kiev in letting the convoy into Ukraine. That said, because it could not obtain security assurances, the Red Cross would not accompany the Russian convoy.
It is this perhaps why moments ago, Interfax (the Ukraine version that is) blasted the following headline via Bloomberg:
- UKRAINE SEES RUSSIAN AID CONVOY AS INVASION: INTERFAX
With the head of security council Nalyvaychenko cited as the source. Additionally Ukraine speaker Lysenko added that Russia aid convoy ignored agreement on cargo processing.
This promptly resulted in a drop in S&P 500 futures fall 0.3% to 1983.40, Stoxx Europe 600 falls 0.6% to session low after the Interfax report that Ukraine sees Russian aid convoy as invasion.
Expect much more disinformation out of Ukraine over the next few. hours as last Friday plays out once again.
Here is Reuters with the full report:
Ukraine declared on Friday that Russia had launched a "direct invasion" of its territory after Moscow sent a convoy of aid trucks across the border into eastern Ukraine where pro-Russian rebels are fighting government forces.
Moscow, which has thousands of troops close on the Russian side of the border, warned against any attempt to "disrupt" the convoy but did not specify what action it was prepared to take if Kiev's forces intervened.
Kiev, for its part, said Ukrainian forces would not attack the convoy and had allowed it to pass to avoid "provocations".
"Ukraine will liaise with the International Committee of the Red Cross so that we, Ukraine, are not involved in provocations (accusations) that we have been holding up or using force against the vehicles of so-called aid," he told journalists.
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It's friday again.
Guess the Russians will use potato bombs to fight. Ridiculous I say. Distraction anyone
Putin
Obama
2014 Nobel peace Prize
Just plug in to another power source when you run out of juice, works every time, but getting less out of each dose, and a tad achier every morning, is making this fountain of youth dream, more like a nightmare as each day passes.
It's what I said here yesterday
Russia has no plans to invade Ukraine because they're already there!
Duhhhh.
And you're still a fucking idiot making no sense NR!
"This is where very few comprehend the significance of how the two previous world wars have set up the current geopolitical dynamic in favor of Russia and her allies. Much of the most relevant history can be reduced to two subjects as follows:
1) The Romanovs versus the Rothschilds (and Rockefellers)
http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=4993
2) The Creation of the Modern State of Israel
The USSA puppetmasters want to provoke a war with Russia hence the seemingly contradictory positions and endless, unpredictable policy changes. Porkyschenko, the Junta president does not shit without ReichsFuerhrer's Nudelmans permission.
Putin is taking the progressive approach to the Ukraine.
Today OJ.
Tomorrow Poptarts.
Slow and steady.....that's the ticket.
1. This caravan was vetted by the Red Cross
2. The Soviet Union was red.
3. The KGB was the secret police of the Soviet Union
4. Putin worked for the KGB.
5. Putin is responsible for this invasion!
it would b pretty easy 4 Ukraine 2 paint white a truck and show it with camo teams jumping out 2 justify a response from the eu
After shooting down MH17 and trying to blame it on the Russians, most europeans wouldn't believe anything coming out of the mouths of the Kiev Coup liars.
I am not sure I get this; It is OK for us (the US) to deliver humanitarian supplies to a group of starving people, 1000's of miles away, under seige in northern Iraq (as well as effect bombing runs against ISIS) but it is not OK for Russia to deliver humanitarian supplies to a larger group of starving people under seige a hundred miles or so away in Ukraine (and certainly not OK to intervene militarily). Talk about hypocrisy. Why is nobody bringing this up in the MSM? Wait, I know the answer already.
It is called the 'logic' of exceptionalism. Whatever WE do is right, whatever YOU do is wrong. Even if the actions are the same and are identical to what WE would do, if WE don't do it, YOU are wrong.
I hope we're exceptionally good at curing Ebola...
We might want to start securing the border....like today.
CDC: 30 States Plus D.C. Have Requested Help with Possible Ebola Cases
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/08/21/CDC-30-States-Plus-D-C-Have-Requested-Help-with-Possible-Ebola-Cases
Do as I say, not as I do.
Invasion of bread and butter
p.s. And bottled water
that they including the west inspected
They are probably getting their media guidance straight from Kerry’s office.
Guns and butter means butter means guns.
What's with the numbers? Are you twelve years old? Or Prince?
Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
Putin works for KGB,
Just as soon will you.
Hi COSU,whose dick do you suck,CIA or Mossad?
The Ukraine is a joke that gets funnier each time you tell it.
It has often been said: “As Russia goes, so goes the USA.”
Not in the past.....but recently....sure, I'll buy that.
The Ukies can't be so stupid to attack this thing --- could they?
Well you might be very surprised by the idiots in charge there now, wouldn't put anything past them.
when Kerry whispers "bomb the convoy and the IMF will lend you another $18 billion" these clowns dont realise they have to pay it back with usurious conditions
Haus, the Ukie Junta government has no independence, completely controlled by the USSA and IMF.
The real question is if the US state department is dumb enough to provoke Russia into war, believing that they have plausible deniability via their Ukie puppets, should events spin out of control. Take a good look at Nudelman, listen to her BS and ask yourself if she is competent and qualified to run a hot dog stand, much less a dsyfunctional Ukraine.
I say "crazy" - not "dumb" - in the scope of these events. There are two options in my mind: pure (devil incarnate stuff) evil or absolutely labotomy crazy. But why argue about it? I hope all ya'lls are prepared for whatever poo hits the fan.
God Bless
83 out of 4700 from one unit returned after being wiped out. The survivors complained that their unit was heavily rocket attacked. Militia and other pro-Russian people there reported that the Kiev forces helped destroy their own unit. If they are stupid enough to take out their own unit, anything is possible. CIA handlers can only do so much with amateurs in command after all.
The CIA handlers ARE the amateurs in command. Some of the Ukie officers have complained that their orders are incomprehensible, because they are bad Ukie translations of orders originally written in english.
Straight out of The Jonestown Society no doubt. When TSHTF here at here Langly literally needs to be burned down to the ground. We're dealing with Pure Evil Lucerferian Psycopaths. The most Evil of Evil sick minded Scum Fucks.
The Ukraine military appears to have a policy of attacking and destroying its own units in order to prevent any equipment falling into the hands of the rebels. This was clear from the start of the conflict when video showed two Ukraine attack helicopters destroying a Ukrainian road checkpoint and several APCs due the incorrect belief the unit had surrended to the rebels.
The 1% in the Ukraine have zero concern for the lives of their young citizen conscripts. Waiting for the rest of the Ukraine to rise up against Kiev and boot the leadership back to Foggy Bottom from whence it came.
The Junta is a joke.
I would still love to have Putin send in 5 to 6 digits worth of troops into Ukraine, just to show the whole world "don't fuck with me."
How many red lines would Obama be drawing all over the place?
I feel you. However, it's still better to let the Ukies self destruct, and give the world another example of USSA incompetence, than for the Russians to invade, giving the Ukie USSA puppet Junta an excuse for their gross incompetence and economic mismanagement.
They already shot down a civvy airliner .. Stupid is as stupid does.
Poroshenkoberg is one of the worst villians in recent memory, and in the good graces of the white house to boot.
It's a sad state of affairs when that clown gets exposed repeatedly but real news doesnt see the light of day in the western media. They are all in cahoots
Yeah Crazytech, funny how MH17 got memoryholed when it became too obvious who really shot it down.
It's the same reason they shut up about the supposed Russian convoy that they destroyed. The problem of course is that it was a Kiev loyal unit, not Russians or militia. Oops LOL!
The USSA will gladly fight a war with Russia to the last Ukrainian.
Yeah memoryholed just like MH370 , question is: what is the connection ? Same make of aircraft. Same model of aircraft. Same airline. Mathematical probability gotta be in the billions to one.
Of course the Ukies are that stupid. They'll do anything they're told to do.
Let's think now.
'Ukraine today announced that 50 were killed and 87 injured when the Russian rebels attacked a Russian humanitarian convoy with missiles and mortar fire. It is believed the rebels felt that the convoy was actually manned by Ukranian infantry and being used as, literally, a Trojan Horse.'
And it would sell. The US (and UK) public are so f'ing dumb, they'd actually believe it.
Yes.
How could you doubt it after MH17.
I doubt Ukraine had ever the intention to let this convoy in...and now Poro will meet Merkel and than Putin over the weekend...wonder what they will discuss?
Invasion of aid !
Aid epidemic.
Well, it knocks out some of the longs going into this afternoon. Da Boyz just playing games again.
DavidC
Let's wait and see how tough the Ukrainian government is when the first flakes of snow fall on the ground and Gazprom reduces the flow of gas through Ukraine.
The Ukies will steal gas headed for Europe and blame it on the Russians. It will be the Euroidiots who will ultimately freeze.
Russia can prove what it is piping into the Ukraine and they can prove exactly where it is getting siphoned off, I think even Europe has realized that the morons in Kiev lie every time they open their mouths by now.
Very true, and Russia can make up for most of the stolen gas via Nordstream and other pipelines into Europe. Nordstream is only operating at 50% capacity due to an EU directive designed to supposedly create competition for gas supply to Europe.
If, as usual, the Ukies steal the gas again, it strengthens Russia's bid to complete Southstream. Moreover, it will likely be Poland and the Baltics that will suffer most, payback for their help in overthrowing Yanukovich and replacing him with a USSA led Kiev government.
I doubt the Russian Gazprom will send any gas through Ukville until.
1) Previous gas bill paid in full.
2) Ukville pays for full storage tank capacity up front.
They can't steal it if they can't store it.
Ongoing negotiations don't sound like they're going that well, so we shall see.
Gemany better get it's 'mind right' or there may be a 'failure to communicate' with Northstream.
I'm pretty sure that Russia can live without cash longer than Ukes And Europe can live without Russian gas and the Farmers Almanac says it's gonna be an unusually cold winter in the northern hemisphere.
Washington's 'Coalition of the Willing' may not be so willing when they're chilling.
They should just give up and move on to the next failure.
Sunday talk shows needed to fill up some program time since Obama Bin Biden are off limits
Read, they're net short and must release news to aid positions.
Well, done twitter !
:)
Wouldn't want to be any of the people on that convoy...
10 4 rubber duck.....
A Trans Am just blew my doors off!
Obligatory "Convoy" link: http://youtu.be/Sd5ZLJWQmss
Mercy sakes alive!
If they are in danger it will most likely not be from the powerless Ukrainian troops but from being crushed by people happy to see them and rushing to get their help.
But even if it is attacked, I don't think Putin would invade.
If he can get the "EU" to drop the new Ukie government -- then he gets all of Ukraine without looking like an asshole, while simultaneously driving a wedge between the "EU" and the US.
Good luck with that! Why would the US lackeys in the EU all of a sudden go against the will of their "friends", the US?
Their lives?
Although to your point the personality type of the typical western leadership person, is one that is incapable of admitting any kind of mistake no matter how small, and one that is in love with their stupid schemes and own voices as opposed to have any kind of understanding about life or the importance of empathy, co-operation and love.
I don't put anything past them.
I don't think Putin wants a welfare case Ukraine.
He just doesn't want NATO missiles up his ass that are impossible to defend against.
All it takes is a good speech and to call them patriots and off they go
Convoy!
"Rollin in west on the M04 and I knew we was in trouble, Tollgate down on the 'Dontask" bridge and I didnt have a gosh darn ruble!
I said, "Big Sven, this heres the Moscow Duck, we just aint a gonna pay no toll", so we crashed the gate doing 98 (km) said let these Russkies Roll!
Da, Good Comrade, 10-4
It apears Putin is tired of the games. Don't hold your breath for Putin to back-off or back-down, he has put down his marker and is now playing both Obama and Kerry for fools in a contest that cost Russia little. It is likely that if If Putin doesn't get Eastern Ukraine next week he will next month or next year at the latest.
In reality America has few military options in Russia's backyard unless it has the backing of a full and enthusiastic NATO and that is very unlikely. Europe has reason to be unexcited about a possible long and expensive conflict. While still trying to recover from a recession Europe would face fuel shortages and a massive spike in the price of natural gas. Putin has a great deal of leverage. More on this subject in the article below.http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/07/putin-holds-all-cards.html
Does Putin even want Eastern Ukraine ? My take is the Russians just want stability in the region.
Putin wants control of Ukraine, it's an important piece of land on its border, has important resources like food, and is a transitway for its gas.
Don't forget that part of what precipitated this entire thing was Putins $25 billion bail out to Ukraine. Putin was trying to bail them out and take control just as the west does to so many countries. This is a battle over the control of Ukraine.
You seem to have missed this article:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-21/council-foreign-relations-ukraine-crisis-west%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%93-not-putin%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%93-fault
I think it would be closer to the truth to say that Putin does not necessarily desire control over the Ukraine, but wants a stable, neutral(non NATO), unaligned nation on it's border. The Nuland/Nudeman state dept. coup in Kiev is the root cause for the current political stability and is correctly perceived by most Russians as a veiled attack by the USSA against Russia.
Correct! Hence the etymology of Ukraine's name:
Ukraine = border land = buffer zone
+1
That is exactly what Putin HAS said.
Why don't you just bother to read;
The Russian position has been constant throughout, they want a neutral,federalist,
independant Ukraine. Crimea is not negotiable and never was.
They don't want to own a bankrupt, failed state full of neo-nazi's.
For some reason europe does.
Winston, I don't think the Europeans want this, but the political leadership of the EU is compromised by the NSA and bought off, so they do as they are told by their USSA masters.
I waiver between the UK being the US lapdog , and them actually running the show.
Nothing is as it appears.
As for the other europeans they are bribed, comprimised, and alway have the ultimate nuke
stick, hanging over their heads.
So the european don't really want Ukraine, but have no choice in the matter.
Winston, USSA's ZOG influences European countries domestic policies in many more subtle ways than by bribing, compromising or threats. To paraphrase Carlin, they own this fuckin' place!
Since the 60s when various think-tanks and NGO's began popping up on european soil like mushrooms after rain, each and every european politician coming from a US-friendly country is either hand-picked or has to receive ZOG's blessing. One step away from the instructed agenda and they're gone... They're nothing but lapdogs.
Remember Berlusconi?
#FucktheEU
Putin doesn't want Washington & London to control Ukraine, he doesn't actually need to control it himself.
The "separatist" leadership has made clear that their sights are far bigger than just the two "republics" and they don't intend to stop before taking Kiev.
Poroshenko is doing his best impersonation of a transgender ARVN succubus.
The question is whether the EUcrats, or the continental loyalists within NATO, will pursue peace through Balkanization before, or after, the separatists make it to Kiev, which is why the Mearsheimer piece was so "interesting".
You can get control of the Ukraine without invading it, if the people in the Ukraine face enough hardship they may not be too happy with the current crop of thugs and cut throats running the country a coup may occur and a government more Russian friendly might end up in power, all kinds of Russian Ukrainian joint ventures could then ensure to further cement the relationship. The vast amount of the Ukrainian resources are in the east, all Putin needs to ensure is continuing disruption and the Ukraine will fall into chaos
Ukraine is to Russia as North Korea is to China, a buffer against American forces on its border.
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You are correct. Putin doesn't want Ukraine. Why would he? The real costs, both immediate and long term, would greatly eclipse any potential gains.
This matter was given a detailed analysis six months ago on the Saker's site:
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/02/the-geopolitics-of-ukrainian-c...
Ukraine is an economic basket case. It will become a huge liability for the US and its EU puppets. When all is said and done, they will be begging Russia to take it off their hands, to which Vlad will respond "nyet" very politely.
Agree, Putin doesn't Ukraine, but the US corporations sure do.
isnt it jaw dropping that the whole world gave ukraine a complete pass on the fake story about wiping out some convoy - the whole world is blind, distracted and hypnotized
Ultimately "we" believe what we want to believe no matter how absurd or ridiculous it may be.
"We" are conditioned to do this. For example, Santa Claus. How long after it became glaringly obvious Santa Claus wasn't 'real' did we finally concede the 'truth'. Often it was peer pressure that pushed us over the top of our denial and not our own logic, reasoning or common sense. How long would we continue to believe in Santa Claus if peer pressure was towards believeing rather than away?
"We the People" often act like petulant 5 year old children.
and our own president gives away 5 dangerous terrorists - opens the jail doors in an alleged trade for a single deserter and the world yawns
The President has been acting particularly incompetent lately. No one at this level of power is that stupid or incompetent. It is intended to be this way, for reasons I cannot fathom.......for now.
I reckon you DO know, you just don't know you know, yet.
The President has been acting particularly incompetent lately
It's almost like he has a plan...
Personally, I think Obamas long range thinking consists of pretending to golf so that he can secretly play with Reggies balls.
The President has been acting particularly incompetent lately.
How could you tell?
...a plan to destroy America.
It sucks when you realize everytihng you were taught is a lie. From Santa Claus to the Easter Bunny, most of western culture is built upon a foundation of bullshit.
I lied to my children, I told them tales of Peter Rabbit and Saint Nick.
I hope God will forgive me for my ignorance. I suspect I will pay, in greater measure than I can imagine.
Right along, I can't help but acknowledge a fellow traveler as he crosses my path.
Godspeed you of dissonance! I love you!
NOTW777
I give you a Nonillion up votes (that's a lot)
sorry, nonillion?, I'm still old school where a billion was a hell of a lot, now it seems to be chump change.
Those guys were skeletons and scarecrows compared to these cats. These guys are closer to a tin man with a hide.
Quick! Buy the dip!
Stupid Kiev Nazis had their gold stolen by the New York jew Nuland.
Jew York jew Jewland's gold? :D
Stupid Kiev Nazis had their gold stolen by the New York jew Nuland.
They got to the airport just in time to see the blinking lights of the plane rising in the distance.
that is anti semetic are talmudic zionist friends are just keep it clean and safe.
yes they have sent some to india and china but that is just because of high new york storage costs.
be assured like germany,libya and iraq got it's gold back from jewish storage inc so it will be with ukrainias gold.
these ukraine mofo really test peoples patience. Dun matter anyway, they are soon to be thrown into the wind by the Western instigators.
4th move on chessboard that has a winner b/4 it started!
If Ukie attacks the humanitarian convoy (either in its own name or as a manufactured false flag) or attempts to block its route, maybe the non-existent Russian military convoy that Ukie falsely claimed to have "eliminated" last week will suddenly appear and roll into Ukie to provide security for the humanitarian convoy to people who are being bombed to pieces by the West's puppet: Poroshenko.
Note that Russia said it had "no plans" to invade Ukie. If the above happened, it would be an urgent decision forced by events.
Note that Russia said it had "no plans" to invade Ukie. If the above happened, it would be an urgent decision forced by events.
Just to add to your observations 'smacker', not only would it be a "green light" for Russia, but we have absolutely no support in the neighborhood at this point especially after the fallout from the downing of MH-17 and the escalation of sanctions and this includes members within NATO that will very publically humiliate any provocation against unarmed humanitarian efforts that have been verified by the Red Cross as nothing less than humanitarian.
In short. By not allowing humanitarian efforts to move along we're showing the World how embarrassingly evil we've become and at some point your "partners" make the business decision in their own interests on how far they are willing to go to keep the membership in "psycho club Med".
THe U.S., U.K. and Israel have no friends, and all of the monied interests are pulling the chairs away from the table and declaring it nothing less than a total fiasco.
When the CFR writes like this you know the jig is up!
Sure, but I see no Western MSM reporting the opinions of the CFR or making any critical comment about what's going on in Ukraine being the fault of the West.
And this apparent growing alienation of the West and of Poroshenko didn't stop him from downing MH-17 and blaming it onto the rebels & Russia. The West went full throttle doing the same thing. And I see MSM conspicuously avoiding any mention of 30mm bullet holes in MH-17's fuselage etc indicating "it was Ukie who done it".
I suspect the people who are critical of the West for the fiasco its created in Ukie are mostly the BRICS and other assorted developing countries. These are mostly ignored by Western MSM.
When I see Obama, Cameron and the EU apparatchiks openly criticising Poroshenko for his ongoing war crimes, I'll believe they are in reflection mode about their own involvement and support to his fascist regime. If I see Nuland sacked for her part in the fiasco, I'll also believe reality is taking over.
Agree with much of what you have to say here -But what news organizations within the mainstream media are we talking about and more importantly which countries?...
Whether the CFR is read or incorporated into the cabal of the "MSM" doesn't really matter. What matters is that you have an organization that is responsible for building and funding the mayhem in countries like Ukraine that are candidly stepping forward to tell the World who is responsible for the mess and that they no longer endorse it moving forward!
One could speculate that it's nothing but a limited act of "misdirection" or reverse propaganda to see if the majority of business interests out there that matter are still on-board with the "program" in order to regroup and buy more time... But this isn't 2001 and the "swamp" is a different place 13 years later. The CFR and IMF clearly don't have the funds they once had a decade ago otherwise why would they be sparring with the likes of Russia a nuclear capable threat with Syria and Ukraine that have killed thousands and displaced millions collectively?!!! The timing of this announcement on where the blame rests is only because the powers-that-be in those organizations lost money on the adventures and are pissed about it -big time.
I was referring to all UK MSM: BBC, Sky, ITV, C4 and printed media.
Only yesterday Sky News described MH17 using the following: "with politicians still arguing about who was responsible...blah blah" while the evidence clearly points to it being Ukie's own air force that brought down the B777. And there have been no news bulletins mentioning the visible damage to MH17. Again, they are not making any noises about the flight data recorder evidence still not being released by the Cameron government.
There is a mass conspiracy of silence going on in MSM to cover-up the lies of their own government. In the UK, the CFR is a million miles from getting a mention if it says things like that. This is why so many people are waiting for the Dutch govt report to be released, although personally I believe it will be neutered to avoid mentioning the culpability of Western governments.
I have little doubt that most EU countries adopt the same or similar stance.
And of course the MSM now have a new story to fill up their pages and screens: the search for "Jihad John" who apparently was responsible for beheading the American journalist. Even though anybody who studies the footage closely can see it's a collection of scenes collated and there was no blood spurting out of his throat when it was "cut". It's obviously carefully edited footage and - while he probably was beheaded - it was not in that footage sequence using an Ikea knife.
You raise good points again smacker.
Notice how the investigation of MH-17 and the 290 that were sacrificed (just like the 2,800 coming up on their 13th Anniversary that still have received no justice) is completely off the "front page", only because the evidence is so damning that they have to censor both the narrative and keep the investigators away from the site? Deja Vu!...
At the end of the day "money talks" and their ain't enough of it left to keep these kinds of stories from eventually telling the truth when they are so poorly contrived.
If I was IMF or CFR and I have a small group within the org that are hell bent for starting a World War before they lose everything, I still have a choice. I can help kickstart the biggest war in history and be dead?... Or... I can count my losses and tell myself how badly I fucked up but that I'm still alive and attempt to rebuild with all the consequences that come with it?...
"no plans"
Which we all know is complete and total bullshit. They have scores, if not more, of plans covering a host of contingencies and likely scenarios.
The USSA's only actionable plan is to provoke Russia into direct war via their Ukie puppets.
And nothing will happen to that convoy...
Here's why!
I don't think that article explicitly states that an attack on a Russian humanitarian aid convoy (regardless of who initiates the attack) puts the option of a unilateral Russian NO-FLY ZONE in play to protect further humanitarian aid... which would complicate Washington's efforts to supply non-humanitarian aid to its Kiev interests while giving Russia more latitude to do the same for its interests, but then I didn't read the article too carefully.
cliff notes version UR
The U.S. has backed itself into so many corners and contradicted itself so many times in the last two decades their is nothing left to make even it's closer allies stand by it.
How can you levy genocide against Yugoslavia and at the same time hold firm on your position that what has been taking place in Ukraine does not amount to the systematic destruction and "ethnic cleansing" of indigenous peoples and is the opposite?!!! And this doesn't even get to the root issues of robbing both of these countries of their productivity and resources through sanctions.
Aren't we some very seriously sick fucks in this Country to allow this to continue happening in our names?
Thanks for the clarification!
(apologies for the backlog of 1600 articles in my RSS feeds this afternoon preventing me devoting time to careful reading)
I wouldn't be surprised if the Ukrainians have a bogus white semi truck ready to go, full of kick-ass weaponry and poroshenkos crack team of seperatist-dressed ukrainian special forces dudes who start firing on innocent civilians. To frame the ruskies, of course. If Poroshenko would have a civilian airliner shot down, he clearly will stoop to all lows necessary to achieve his end.
I agree, Intric8. If the Ukies under the control of ReichsFuerhrer Nudelman were willing to kill almost 300 people on MH17 to frame Russia, they will do anything.
That would require them to plan ahead. They'd have to get a truck, paint it white, and wait for the paint to dry.
Not sure they are capable of that level of long range planning.
Putin sold his SP calls yesterday. Bought puts at the close.
the 'makers' of news will be the new reapers of gains....hide and watch.
I hope the people get the aid they need and deserve after the hell they've been put through by the Ukrainian government, and I hope the Ukrainian government takes this moment to pause and reflect a little (I am a dreamer).
The Ukrainian morons in Kiev are trying to work out how to kill the hundreds of thousands of Russian speaking Ukrainians in the east without the west being outraged, they tried getting the international community to declare them all terrorists but that did not work, so back to slow starvation and killing in dribs and drabs.
Can I call in for a headlines holiday? Just a big nuthin' for me to start the weekend?
No stupid juntas, ruthless regimes or other sundry philosopher kings. No Eboler. No ISIS half-wits. No Fukyushima. No shooting rockets or bullets or even spitballs. Geez...just gimme a friggin break.
God Bless
Wondering whatever happened to MH-17? Reasons for MH-17 crash are now classified. http://www.for-the-fans.com/well-well-well-all-of-a-sudden-the-reasons-f...
Reasons are classifed because they would prove the USSA's guilt, via their Ukie puppets.
I'm surprised anyone takes this Ukraine b/s seriously anymore. In fact it will become a fact of the 'boy crying wolf', so they, the cia, who are running this show, will once again shoot themselves in the foot, and they call themselves Inteligent.
Should I say something?
Are you going to call me warmonger, jew and filthy capitalist?
Tony would, but he seems to have buzzed of somewhere, perhaps his medication has kicked in for the night.
We can only hope.
that hurts guys you 3 rabbis have such fun times together,can i join your club?
does one of you have to suck my bloodied penile stump if so
no thanks schlomow : )
Russia - here, take our aid
Ukraine - we don't want your fucking aid
Russia - yes you do, take it now
too funny - communism strikes again
Sounds like the morons in Louisiana during Katrina
Just like the old Soviet Union, invading with waves of . . . of . . . sleeping bags, and, er, canned peaches. O, the Horror! Will nobody be able to stop this juggernaut of tanks, er, wait, medicine?
let them eat cake bitchez
Anyone seen any photos of the Russian military convoy Ukraine destroyed?
There was none of course just the drop kick Neo-Nazis in Kiev telling more lies, I don't know why anyone in the international community bothers listening to their constant dribble, the dribble over the Russian humanitarian convoy is typical, first they say it can cross and but they will have to examine the cargo, when Russia says, no problem, they go oh!, we did not expect that we will have to make some other reason up to stop them, etc etc, constant lying dribble.
Russian "liberation force" invading Ukraine to "libarete" it against their will.
http://youtu.be/3OsVztB6I0c
Now Russia invades with "humatarian aid" that is not alowed to see by Red Cross.
viedoklis, you lie like a Ukrainian. You know as well as I do that, for the past week, the contents of those trucks have been examined by everyone, including the Ukrainians as well as the foreign press.
"KIEV, August 22 (RIA Novosti) – Ukrainian border guards and customs service personnel, as well as representatives of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) have not inspected the cargo of 90 trucks of the Russian humanitarian aid convoy that has already begun moving toward the Ukrainian border, Ukrainian National Security and Defense Council spokesman Andriy Lysenko said Friday.
“We have become aware that another 90 trucks [with Russian humanitarian aid] that the Russian side didn’t allow the Ukrainian border guards and customs agents or representatives from the International Red Cross to inspect have begun moving toward the Ukrainian border,” Lysenko said during a briefing.
He added that the Ukrainian side had fulfilled all of its obligations in regard to clearing the Russian humanitarian cargo together with the ICRC."
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140822/192247680/Ukraine-Security-Council-Says-...
The Red Cross were with the convoy right up until the border, I don't see the logic of accusing Russia of adding weapons to the convoy when it is in the Ukraine, after all if the weapons are already in the Ukraine there is not much point trying to smuggle them into the Ukraine.
There is no logic, only lies coming from the Kiev Junta.
Yes, but sometimes you have to point out the blatantly obvious or people just accept what Kiev says at face value, look how the world ran with their story of 32 Russian APC's destroyed by their artillery fire, nobody even asked the first and most obvious question where exactly did this occur, after all if you have shelled them you must know where you shelled them. The silence that would have greeted that would have put an instant end to the fantasy.
Nowadays we have to interpret our media's silence as an acknowledgement that they ran out of propaganda. Like MH17, when Russia released its satellite info, suddenly the American media found something else to talk about. MH17 is so yesterday's news, now.
Ah, viedoklis, such a fun guy. Must be a mycologist. Such good fun that he denies lying like a Ukrainian by quoting a lying Ukrainian.
Even more fun because this article from last week told how reporters from foreign news organizations were allowed to examine the cargo carried by the relief convoy. Can not say viedoklis did not see the article as he posted comments on it.
Why so cheap propaganda? The ineptitude does provide humour, but please sometime take into account reality and provide a new stream with at least one single iterance of sensibility.
Hey viedoklis, didn't anyone tell you? Theres a (proxy) war going on, Russia is in it with her vital interests threatened and Ukraine is the stooge. All Putin is there to do is kick Kiev's fucking ass back to where they came from. Everything else is just a little window dressing, get with the program.
All Latvians are fascists. They organize SS marching parade until these days, 70 years after the war.....
SO it is clear, that you admire the Ua fascsits, your brothers.
But why do you bother to come to these pages? You will noy find many people following the fascist ideas here.
What would hitlery do?
Exactly what the MIC told her only more so.
Who needs fucking Gold we got 8000 nukes and we will fucking use them you can count on it.
She would Kill.
She is a black widow.
Ask Vince or Kadaffy.
She is one Evil Cunt, who is serviced by Huma, who has planted a listening device in the Forbidden (to men) Tunnel.
"Hello. Abdul? Can you hear me?"
"Yes, Achmed, are you in a tunnel?"
"Huma, my cunt is talking!"
"No my love, it is the effects of the fall you took while three sheets to the wind."
I know longer give a toss what the inbred Neo-Nazis in Kiev say anymore and I don't think Putin gives a toss either.
All the friday the same lie again.
Kiev is scum
How dare this aggressive militant Putin to aid these dirty subhumans we've been all trying to slaughter for the past few months. Providing them with food and humanitarian goods is a war crime and must be condemned by the international community!
Kiev had a go at trying to get the Russian speaking Ukrainian citizens declared terrorists so the could just slaughter them wholesale but much to Kiev's anger the International community pointed out that they were actually Ukrainian citizens, there own people. Kiev's belief is because they speak Russian they must be terrorists.
Ukraine lied this and probably blew up the Malaysian jet too.
Just as I suspected Obama behind every dastardly deed out there.