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Treasury Curve Collapses To Flattest Since Jan 2009

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Bye bye NIM... The spread between 30Y and 5Y Treasury yields has collapsed to 151bps, its lowest since January 2009. It seems expectations for the exuberance of the business cycle expansion are a little underwhelming. This is half the Treasury curves peak steepness (hope) seen at the end of 2010...



On the day 30Y yields are down 2bps and 5Y is up 2.5bps...


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Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:13 | 5130010 101 years and c...
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but, but.....recessions are impossible.  just ignore this stupid chart as meaningless since money printing cures ALL ills.  

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:13 | 5130014 nasdaq99
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I thinkk the yield curve would already be inverted if the Fed didn't have their foot on the front end.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:44 | 5130150 Aknownymouse
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I actually think the FED are magnifying the inversion since they are pushing up the short term yield by their inflationary printing. If they were out of the picture we would have deflation throughout the curve

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 15:28 | 5131108 disabledvet
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This doesn't make any sense though. If you're worried about inflation you buy the long dated stuff?

I would think the opposite...but I'm not a trader either.

"Sometimes you can look for too much of an edge." Hence "buy treasuries hand over fist."

Cash looks great here...silver looks to have a solid base around twenty too.

"Markets can stay irrational longer than you or I can stay solvent" and this one has clearly set the record. I've noticed a serious down draft in energy prices at the pump of late. Also a big supermarket chain just went bust in. New Hampshire.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:13 | 5130016 max2205
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This is where the real money is made

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:14 | 5130017 Cognitive Dissonance
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Damn....I hope The Fed can 'fix' that before it becomes a problem. They seem to be good at fixing a lot of things these days.


Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:56 | 5130206 IANAE
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"before it becomes a problem." 

That's awesome...

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:15 | 5130024 clade7
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That bottom chart looks like the Okovango crocodile that ate General "Butt Naked"

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:21 | 5130039 LawsofPhysics
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But, but, but, they are going to "raise rates" soon...

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:22 | 5130045 El Vaquero
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They have to, but they cannot.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 15:48 | 5131216 SeattleBruce
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Sounds like the classic definition of between a rock and a hard place..

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:23 | 5130047 dontgoforit
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Why would anyone buy at those rates and at that spread why would you ever buy a 30-yr? 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:26 | 5130054 El Vaquero
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There are a few possibilities:


1) They're bankers who get free money from the fed to buy.

2) They're scared to the point of irrationality and are fleeing to "safety."  (Not that I think it's safe, but others will.)

3) Plain fucking stupidity.

4) "It can't happen here."

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:26 | 5130059 LawsofPhysics
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If we really knew who all the "market" participants were you could probably begin to answer this question.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 15:49 | 5131226 SeattleBruce
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Oh the market (the Fed) isn't transparent?  ;)

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:32 | 5130078 knukles
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Because rates are going to be low and lower for decades.
Welcome to the Japanese experience.
They've had 4 "lost decades"
JGB 10 year yields

1974:  8.00 %
2000:  1.70 %
2014:  0.50 %

Japan has been in a Liquidity Trap for 40+ years.
We are in a Liquidity Trap.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 15:40 | 5131168 disabledvet
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Gotta factor in an energy boom. "The biggest in world history."

That's not just the Bakken and Permian Basin but also Tesla's. If the a Vunderkind Musk has solved the the storage problem for electricity then latency is no longer an issue. Buffet could build out another 25,000 windmills and cost per kilowatt would plunge.

"Takes a lot of energy to make a lot of energy."

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:30 | 5130080 Tjeff1
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Belgium is as Belgium does. 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 13:14 | 5130312 Al Huxley
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For the capital gains.  Once you remove the 0 lower bound on interest rates, the price can rise to infinity.  Think about it - bond investors make a massive killing on price appreciation, while the government pays off the debt by borrowing more and going further into debt - everybody wins!  I can't believe nobody ever thought of this before.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:25 | 5130055 justmy2cents
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It's OK when the SHTF they can always lower rates to stimulate the economy, oh wait a minute...

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 13:23 | 5130369 astoriajoe
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maybe those black helicopters in Minnesota recently were really Janet doing a dry run for the Helicopter cash drop.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 15:59 | 5131277 justmy2cents
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They can try all they want it'll make no difference to the deflation monster

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:26 | 5130057 Maplehood
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OK I'm stupid.  What does NIM stand for?

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:30 | 5130079 clade7
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"Not In Mouth"  You arnt stupid, just not married...

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:39 | 5130132 LawsofPhysics
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Yes, according to my wife and her friends such activity is "pre-marital" only.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:34 | 5130086 IANAE
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...assuming this is a serious question (vs sarcasm...)






edit: referring, among other things, to the yield spread that just evaporated for many with the curve flattening...

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:36 | 5130119 Maplehood
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IANAE - thank you.  Yes it was serious

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:29 | 5130071 CheapBastard
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The leading indicator of our recession is our recession.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:30 | 5130082 El Vaquero
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Yeah, but you have to peel through the extraneous paper and BLS bullshit to see it.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:38 | 5130130 clade7
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If the graph dont fit, you must BTFD!

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:31 | 5130091 Tjeff1
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It will be very flat when all rates are at 0%

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 13:17 | 5130326 Al Huxley
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But at least it won't invert!  (Unless those negative rates appear - so then what - short rates have to be more negative than long rates to signal a 'healthy' economy?)

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 12:52 | 5130186 IANAE
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Of course, then there's this (from WSJ): "Pentagon calls on Russia to remove convoy vehicles from Ukraine immediately."

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 16:11 | 5131325 londoncalling
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0% in bonds (in europe) or risk a bail in sat on cash

yes yields globally can go lower, even if cash rate rises

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