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Ukraine: A Perspective From Europe

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Submitted by Alasdair Macleod via Peak Prosperity,

The eminent historian Niall Ferguson in an op-ed for the Financial Times (Friday August 1st) made a comparison between the events leading up to the start of WW1 and the Ukraine situation today. While the comparison is apposite given the 100-year anniversary of the former, these are very different times. The assassination of the successor to the Austria-Hungarian Empire in Sarajevo by anarchists was initially dismissed as a local difficulty in an obscure province, which had been annexed from the Ottoman Empire in 1906. While regrettable and unexpected to observers outside the Balkans there was no reason to suspect the chain of events that followed would lead to the greatest war in history.

It is still a mystery to many historians as to how and why this event led to the slaughter of nine million people, and this uncertainty is admitted in Ferguson’s article. But his analysis of different parties to the original event pursuing their own vested interests without a grasp of the bigger picture certainly rings true of the Ukrainian situation today with regards to the West, embodied in a disparate committee called NATO. The similarity with the chaotic diplomacy that led to WW1 stops there: Russia under Vladimir Putin’s leadership appears to have a good grasp of its objective.

The History Is Important

The relevant history of Ukraine and the interests of the great powers go back to the Second World War, when it was fought over between Germany and Russia with tremendous loss of life. When Germany was finally defeated Ukraine ended deep in Soviet territory. Stalin subdued all nationalism by executing dissenters or transporting them to the gulags rarely to return. There was a high element of ethnic cleansing, and this affects political relationships to this day.

It was inevitable that following the collapse of the Soviet Union Ukrainian nationalism would reassert itself. But Ukraine’s borders had never been fixed and its claim to be a well-defined state is dubious: at best it was no more than a federation of provinces that retained their individual identities over the centuries. Crimea was never part of Ukraine: it had been “gifted” by Khrushchev in 1954 it is said in a drunken moment. The eastern provinces of Luhansk and Donetsk are heavily populated with ethnic Russians. Luhansk held a referendum in early May and the organisers claimed that 96% of the population voted in favour of self-rule (allied to Russia) on a turn-out of 81%. A similar referendum in Donetsk claimed 88% in favour on a 75% turnout.

Putin distanced Russia from these referendums, asking the breakaway governments to delay them, there being at that time a degree of diplomatic cooperation between Russia and the other G8 nations. This has now evaporated, but Putin had at least tried even though he probably smiled on the result. And everyone has forgotten that imperfect though the polling process might have been (lack of international observers, alleged intimidation of minorities etc.) there can be no doubt the clear majority in these two provinces wish to secede to Russia.

Europe in the knowledge the referendum results were certain to back independence condemned this show of democracy when first proposed. European politicians have a fundamental problem with the idea that geographical parts of a country’s population might want political independence anyway. Think Basque separatists and think Scotland. So far as Brussels is concerned, the existence of individual member countries is a passing phase towards full political integration, so fragmentation is a retrograde step. What happened in Luhansk and Donetsk was counter to all the EU’s own statist ambitions which are behind the development and continuing integration of the EU. This sets the tone behind the automatic support Europe affords the Ukrainian government. Furthermore European politicians have an unquestioning belief in the benefits of EU membership and expect anyone who shares the EU’s socio-economic ideals to align themselves accordingly.

So on the political level there is a natural dialog between the Kiev government desperate to escape the embrace of the Russian Bear and the EU. On a military level relationships and geopolitical interests are managed through NATO, which is funded mostly by the US. And as the principal financial backer, America expects and usually gets the deference from Europe it wants. America’s military and strategic objectives are however very different from the EU’s economic interests, because the EU is dependent on Russian energy, other raw materials and trade.

There is however a military fly in the ointment so far as NATO is concerned. Ukraine is surrounded by Russia and Russian-supporting enclaves, including Belarus to the north and north-west of Ukraine, and the breakaway state of Transnistria, which lies along the border between Moldova and Ukraine. Only about 20% of Ukraine’s borders are with NATO allies. NATO simply cannot afford to have boots on Ukrainian soil, because its supply lines can be cut off by Russia. Perhaps for this reason the approach favoured by the west has been to undermine the Ukrainian relationship with Russia by encouraging Kiev towards both economic and military cooperation with the west, rather than upping the west’s presence.

The Russian Dimension

Russia’s reactions to NATO and the EU’s policy ambitions towards Ukraine have been perfectly logical and could easily have been foreseen by any competent analyst. In this context there are two elements to consider, Russia itself and the personality of President Putin.

The Russian people have enjoyed a significant uplift in their standard of living under Putin, and a new middle class has emerged, which is growing and becoming wealthier by the day. Unlike more advanced, welfare driven economies this improvement has been real and not degraded by ever-accumulating debt. There is much that is wrong in Russia as western critics continually tell us, but the fact is that Russia is economically more resilient than its western counterparts, and her people are thankful and loyal to a strong leader.

This strength is seriously underestimated by western economists who have been brought up in the ivory-tower world of Keynesian and monetarist economics. This is why they mistakenly think cutting Russia off from western capital markets is a severe punishment. It is not: the Russian leadership are not dependant on access to debt finance, not intimidated, and they feel no need to hurry their responses. Putin’s advisers are fully aware that implementing sanctions will harm NATO members far more than Russia, and nothing done so far is likely to affect their minimum objective of ensuring Ukraine does not become a vassal state of the west.

Now that Russia has recovered her identity following the fall of communism her people naturally wish to secure and enhance it. They see their own “flesh and blood” in Luhansk and Donetsk being subjugated by a corrupt Nazi-sympathising Ukrainian regime. They know that America and NATO have been actively undermining Russo-Ukrainian ties having supported first the Orange Revolution and more latterly the fall of Viktor Yanukovych earlier this year. They also know that the west supported the neo-fascists in Yanukovych’s overthrow, reviving for the Russians memories of the terrible losses inflicted by the Nazis in the Second World War.

At this stage to counter economic threats Russia is generally content with sending signals that she is not dependent on the west for trade. To this end she has concluded pan-Asian energy deals with China and India, deals that were in the pipeline, so to speak, anyway. Russia is activating her relationships within the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (the SCO), which was set up with China twelve years ago for this purpose. Furthermore, the population of full SCO members is set to double to over 3.5 billion people in September, when India, Pakistan, Iran and Mongolia become full members.

Putin’s Personality

President Putin, like many of Russia’s political in-crowd and some of the supporting oligarchs, is an ex-KGB officer. By all accounts he is controlling, hard-working, focused and dedicated. He is 5’6” tall which compared with western male leaders is noticeably short (though his Prime Minister, Dmitry Medvedev is only 5’3”). Short men often feel a need to assert themselves in the company of taller men, and Putin appears to exhibit these traits, with his annual holiday pictures depicting him as an action-man. As judo black-belt he throws larger men with ease and has been deliberately filmed doing so.

Putin is a man who the west turned its back on when he would have personally wanted to be accepted at the top-table of world leaders. This is the second time: the first was the spat with the UK over the murder by polonium poisoning of an ex-KGB officer, Alexander Litvinenko, in London in 2006. The Russians refused extradition requests for the principal suspect, Andrey Lugovoy and four others. In July 2007 Britain expelled four Russian diplomats.

It took a long time for the dust to settle from the Litvinenko affair, and it was only in the last eighteen months that the UK went out of her way to repair foreign relations with Russia, putting the Litvinenko affair behind it. So when the Ukrainian crisis broke six months ago there were very few entrenched vested interests at the political level between the UK and Russia, and therefore little invested on the British side to maintain relations.

The western view of Vladimir Putin as portrayed by the media is often very wide of the mark. And it is with some irony that we observe left-wing European politicians denouncing this pragmatic ex-communist, but their instincts, that he is a modern mercantilist are correct. His wealth and position are built on the wealth of his people: socialism’s power by contrast is derived from wealth destruction, which explains much of the political divide. While European socialists have no coherent political and economic philosophy, Putin is a realist. He doesn’t care who he deals with, so long as the profit, or reason, stacks up. And it is Russia’s vast natural resources, making her the world’s largest exporter of energy and with monopoly or duopoly power in a range of strategically important elements that gives him the power to forge a favourable political settlement anywhere he chooses.

We should think of Putin as the ringmaster in control of the Mackinder Heartland, which Mackinder summed up as follows:

Who rules East Europe commands the Heartland;

Who rules the Heartland commands the World-Island;

Who rules the World-Island controls the world.

The Heartland runs from the Volga to the Yangtze, and the World-Island is the inter-linked continents of Europe, Asia and Africa. Halford Mackinder’s paper was presented to the Royal Geographical Society in London in 1904. Since then the Russia he knew has been destroyed twice, once by the October Revolution of 1914 and once by communism. Yet still Russia survives, her power remains, and Putin is now master of it all.

The Consequences for Western Europe

The greatest concerns over Russia’s actions come from the countries that were previously suppressed by the Soviet Union and are proximate to Russia. These include Poland, the Baltic States, and ex-members of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire in middle Europe. Twelve of the twenty-eight NATO members were former communist satellites and very sensitive to Russia’s real or imagined territorial ambitions. They are a large bloc in voting terms, a frightened group sometimes aggressively supportive of intervention.

The other main category of European states is the welfare economies of the original European Union, some of which have significant economic and financial ties with Russia. Best known in this group is Germany, dependent on Russia for 38% of her gas, 35% of her oil and 25% of her coal imports. There are no suitable alternatives in sight that could cover shortfalls of these magnitudes. Short-term, some extra gas could be piped from the Netherlands and Norway, two of her other import sources; but this is North Sea gas which is being rapidly depleted and demanded by other customers. Fracking from shale rocks is possible in North Rhine-Westphalia, but this takes time to establish and strong environmental opposition would have to be overcome. Then there are the commercial energy deals. Gazprom and Germany’s Wintershall, a subsidiary of BASF, have executed a large share swap. They jointly own Germany’s “Gascade” 2,000 km pipeline and Russia through Gazprom now controls all Germany’s gas storage facilities.

Naturally, an increasingly wealthy Russian middle class buys large quantities of Mercedes, BMWs and VWs. Furthermore, Russia imports from Germany chemical products, food and agricultural products. It is estimated that one in ten German exporters traded with Russia last year exporting €36bn worth of goods. German companies have invested €16bn in Russia.

France and Italy export about €10bn each to Russia, and import €11bn and €18bn respectively, mostly energy. France has also built one Mistral Class helicopter carrier which is undergoing sea trials and crew training, and a second carrier is in production. At President Holland’s insistence, this deal is excluded from the EU’s arms embargo: a good litmus test for the degree of EU solidarity.

Western Europe’s banking system also has significant exposure to Russia. French banks have an estimated $50bn, Italian $28.6bn, German $23.7bn, British $19.1, Dutch $17.6, Swedish $14bn, and Swiss $6.8bn out of an estimated $184bn, or 76% of total foreign bank lending to Russia. Individual banks with high exposure include France’s Society Generale with $30bn, representing half this highly geared bank’s equity. Unicredit of Italy has exposure of $25bn, representing 40% of its shareholder funds. These are two prominent examples of potential casualties in a financial war with Russia. Furthermore European corporates also have substantial investments in Russia, notably BP.

It is clearly not in the interests of the long-standing members of the EU to escalate a 'sanctions and financial conflict' with Russia. The European Central Bank will have almost certainly discussed contingency plans with the major regional central banks in the Eurozone, because the banking system might have to make available special credit and financing facilities, i.e. a rescue from a financial crisis if NATO goes much further down the sanctions route. This is why politicians are walking on eggshells, paying lip-service to America and the scared Eastern fringe members of NATO while hoping this goes no further.

So long as this is the case it is clear that NATO members are powerless to stop Russia from wresting control of all or parts of Ukraine from the government in Kiev. Putin knows this; unfortunately it is not clear to us that the American government does. All in all it seems likely that after a period of slow-burn as Putin dictates the pace of developments, the political situation in Ukraine will deteriorate with some unhelpful nudges from Russia.

In Part 2: The Rise of the East, we outline how the Ukrainian situation is likely to develop. Spoiler alert: Russia has a hand full of aces.

And on a higher level, we explore the growing commitment in the East to charting its own course, one much more separated from western influence than seen in the past century. Increasingly, the East is challenging why the needs of its population of 5 billion should be so deferential to the West's 1 billion.

Click here to access Part 2 of this report (free executive summary; enrollment required for full access)

 

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Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:42 | 5131993 y3maxx
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...Jews currently rule this "World Island"...

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:20 | 5132183 Kirk2NCC1701
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Technically, it's Zionists who rule -- by leveraging 90% of Jews, and >50% on non-Jews.

Remember that Zionism is a secular political ideology from the 1800s, whereas Judaism is a religion from millennia earlier.  Zionists use Judaism and Jews as a Flag-of-Convenience and Israel as a Country-of-Convenience.  They use the US as their Schoolyard Bully, to do their dirty work for them, while they steal the lunch money from other kids.

Alas 90% of Jews allow themselves to be used (as Sayanim), because of kinship and the tangible benefits they get by being the Familiars for the night-crawling Vampires.  They will pretend that they "didn't know" or were "just following orders", as opportunistic and two-faced cowards always claim.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:45 | 5132270 Majestic12
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Wow!  That's great! What's that recipe again?  90% jews...50% non-jews....butter?  flour?  butterscotch ripple?  Do you need a "spoonful" of anything to make it go down? (no reference to felatio and JAPs)....

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 03:17 | 5133498 conscious being
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Kirk you just hit one out of the park. Prepare for incoming Zino-phasers on dumb.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:24 | 5132195 Spitzer
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Didn't take long to warm up the ovens on this post...

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:47 | 5132286 Majestic12
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Snap!  Recipe swap?  Topping choices can be so difficult this time of year.....

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:58 | 5132346 StormShadow
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I recommend Gefilte fish!

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:46 | 5132014 nmewn
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Fore!

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 21:29 | 5132775 Schizofrantic Squonk
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Fore... skin!

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:47 | 5132015 Charles The Ham...
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I cant wait for the article titled "Ukraine, A perspective from Russia". No one ever talks about that side of the story. The "Reality" side.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:51 | 5132033 NOTaREALmerican
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It's not exactly a free and open society.    You'd have to go to a country that had a long history of free-speach and wasn't currently run by the military.   Maybe New Zealand?

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:53 | 5132043 Charles The Ham...
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You mean Antarctica? The moon perhaps?

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:55 | 5132329 Majestic12
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Nope, both have Nazi bases....don't you have Netflix and Roku?

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:58 | 5132342 knukles
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See, see, I'm not the only one, FFS!

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:56 | 5132333 knukles
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Antarctica?  Fuck me, that's 100% military.
Has anybody but me wondered why the fuck the US Government has a bunch of Linguists down there?
Linguists.
Like to understand a language or translate some shit?
Jesus H Fucking Christ, people....

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:59 | 5132357 Majestic12
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Ooooohhhhh.  I thought the lingusits in Antarctica were studying the "tongue sticking to the inside of the freezer door thing"....and the freezing point of beer bongs....

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 23:44 | 5133227 Kirk2NCC1701
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Maybe they need Cunning Linguists to talk to 'Clingons'.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 05:31 | 5133588 StormShadow
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Same reason we have listening posts in many other far flung, remote locations.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 06:07 | 5133623 Urban Redneck
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Because Americans aren't polylingual?

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:04 | 5132101 dreadnaught
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well ours is no longer a free and open society....and we will soon bypass the Soviets; All the CIA/NSA/MOSSAD need to do is launch some new false flag even and the Media will go hog wild with .big gov disinfo, striking up another war-or draconian Martial Law manifestations

Who in the hell created "FREE SPEECH ZONES"? They should be shot as traitors-ALL of Amerika is supposed to be a 'free speech zone' but watch the FSZ shink, move further away and then vanish altogether -like is happening in Ferguson

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:57 | 5132337 Majestic12
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Which "Soviets" do you refer to?  You do know what year it is....right?  And that "soviet" means "council"?

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 05:36 | 5133591 StormShadow
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"Yeah, those capitalist pigs will pay for their crimes, eh comrade?!"

"But Austin, we won the Cold War."

"Oh...yay Capitalism!"

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:58 | 5132069 kowalli
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We(Russian) want a free and freindly (to us) ukraine as a bridge between Europe and US, we told it so many times...

Europe want full ukraine to itself, and USA want war as always...

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:04 | 5132098 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  and USA want war as always

Not war,   we just want to spread freedom-n-democracy around the entire world:   We come in peace.

Mars Attacks: We Come In Peace - YouTube

 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:07 | 5132118 kowalli
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good film=)

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 20:33 | 5132517 Harbanger
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Shame on you, it's a murikan film.  That's why it was banned in soviet rashia.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 08:22 | 5136613 tonyw
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yes but TODAY this is not your dad's soviet russia, as niall states the living standard of most people in russia has improved - which of course was going to happen once the yeltsin oligarchs powers were reduced and the few stopped robbing the many or at least robbing them less.

unfortunately the american MIC feels it must do everything to prevent  any other country from becoming powerful enough to challenge or even just oppose them in any way, this goes as far as bullying other countries who vote against the US at the UN:-(

russia is clearly the key country and if broken up or ruled again by thieving oligarchs will be unable to oppose america so the Us can then keep china in a weak position although it has many more people and similar GDP. Note how the US protests at chinese "war" planes coming near US planes (war planes not mentioned) flying off the coat of china many many miles from the US. Just imagine how the US would react to regular flights from chinese planes of the stationing of nuclear missiles anywhere near the US mainland.

 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:27 | 5132202 Spitzer
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US wants petrodollar hegemony.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 20:03 | 5132376 Majestic12
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and when that is done....they will break out the zero-point energy patents they have stolen from the hundreds of assassinated inventors....shehbang!  Resistance is futile....

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 22:06 | 5132927 Black-Man
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This article is BS. One mention of the word oligarch in the entire article! Are you kidding me?!? The oligarch's (on both sides) are running this show. Ukrainian oligarch's have the facists doing the dirty work and the Russian oligarch's have Putin. I say let them fight over whatever they think they are fighting over. 

Nonetheless... it is juvenile for a writer to proclaim the ukrainians are a bunch of nazi's. Really?? And Yanukovych was an incompetent boob that even the Russians feel that way. No mention of that in this article.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:07 | 5132124 Charles The Ham...
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Hey I'm with you bro. I'm in America and the lies we are fed about the situation there are just astounding and blatant. You would not even believe the stuff we are hearing. You would think Putin is over there murdering Ukrainians with his bare hands and invading every country within reach. I'm pretty sure Don Lemon refered to Putin as Stalin's grandson on at least three occasions. He also said that the black population there is around 67 percent and that there is a town named Ferguson right outside Moscow and thats where the missing Malaysian plane is. CNN... Anyways I'm with Russia on this one, the Ukrainians seem like they are making some pretty drastic mistakes. I understand the fear about the millions that dies there last century because of Russian decisions but this is 2014.... get with the program and recognize that Putin is the most able leader the world has seen since Constantine the great.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:32 | 5132228 kowalli
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There was some nazi ukrainians after ww2. They were killing people and were hiding at forest and rocks.. It's stopped something around 1954-1955... Some of ukrainians hiding them too, so it's hard to tell - Stalin was right or wrong. Fresh example Iraq... Sometimes good dictator is necessary

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:49 | 5132296 nmewn
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"Stalin was right or wrong."

In YOUR opinion, right or wrong?

"Sometimes good dictator is necessary"

Can I get an example of a good one?

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:58 | 5132350 knukles
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                                       :)

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 20:00 | 5132367 nmewn
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Just tryin to get to the bottom of a mind that thinks like that ;-)

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 20:12 | 5132396 Harbanger
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I have an original idea.  If I could be Dictator, I would fix EVERYTHING.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 20:49 | 5132588 nmewn
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I don't think I could trust myself with some people.

So you're a better man than I ;-)

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 08:36 | 5133795 shovelhead
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I hear that.

At my best I would pull a Pontius Pilate...You want em? They're all yours. Very messy.

This is why rules come in handy. One set for all players.

There's a distinct shortage of angels around here.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 09:15 | 5133859 nmewn
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There sure is, I know I'm not one of them. The rules will apply to everyone the same way or no one at all.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 20:49 | 5132589 Miffed Microbio...
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A dictator is like an enema. Great for purging out shit when things get impacted and backed up. However, they just won't quit after they start things flowing again and end up destroying all the good that was left.

I could almost be amiable to a dictator if he could be deposed at a certain point but that would be impossible. Once we were rid of one, another would ratchet into place like Rome.

Miffed;-)

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 22:22 | 5132975 nmewn
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Sorry bout that Miffed, my turn to cook, so it was Chinese takeout ;-)

Dictatorships always breed little minnie-me's, those who lust after the power that the big dog has now. They all have to be exterminated with extreme prejudice, its just the way it is.

There are not very many people in this world as cold as that, what it takes to do it and live with it, because they know they're right to do it.

But there are a few.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 01:27 | 5133394 Miffed Microbio...
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Had to laugh. The local taco shop know when it is my turn when I enter. Mr telecommutes a lot so he often cooks because I come home late. My smartest purchase was an American Eagle barbecue.

Often it is the supposed minions who are the ones to watch. They are the opportunists who move when the weakness is shown. Historically it is interesting to note how a dictator assumes power. Often massive murders ensue, more than what would seem necessary. Night of the Long Knives. Power is assured. Well, at least temporarily. But that is ultimately the problem. Who to trust? Even a dedicated follower like Rommel may decide to turn on you.

I don't see the attraction personally not being of such character or psychopathic. I think this is part of the problem why people fear the solution. There is no rehabilitation, just extermination as with a rabid dog.

I, like you, understand this and would do what must be done if I ever had the power. However, I have no desire to do such a thing. That is the difference between them and myself.

Miffed;-)

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 20:04 | 5132372 kowalli
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first (rome)i don't have documents but i think about 70% of them was guilty in two things anyway - first they surrounded to Hitler without any fight, second most of them were nazi, so i thing he was right.

Third i still think that he can find better decision but he haven't got any time for that.

USA developed/stole nuclear bomb and was iching to try it...

Second (rome) - can you at Iraq, Livia for example yourself... What did USA with(out) democracy...

STOP trolling really and read some history books if you can't.

PS no answers to you anymore...

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 20:42 | 5132559 nmewn
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"first (rome)i don't have documents but i think about 70% of them was guilty in two things anyway - first they surrounded to Hitler without any fight, second most of them were nazi, so i thing he was right."

I can't decipher any of that even with my above average ebonics skills. What DICTATOR are you talking about that was "good"...Mussolini or Hitler? They were both fascists.

"Third i still think that he can find better decision but he haven't got any time for that."

He who? You or someone speaking FOR you? Don't speak in third person.

"USA developed/stole nuclear bomb and was iching to try it..."

Stole?

"Second (rome) - can you at Iraq, Livia for example yourself... What did USA with(out) democracy..."

Really, I'm trying but the herky jerky is intense.

"STOP trolling really and read some history books if you can't."

I'm quite fond of history actually.

"PS no answers to you anymore..."

None of this qualifies as an answer to my question to NAME A GOOD DICTATOR.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 09:01 | 5133839 King of the Juice
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Perhaps he meant good dictator quirks. After all, what's the point of all that power without a little madness?

I'm going with Emporer Qin. What's not to like about 6,000 terracota warriors to protect your soul from evil spirits?

Definitely an 'all bases covered' kind of guy

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 20:05 | 5132387 Majestic12
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Well, first we need to examine just what, exactly a "dictator" is?

IF you said "a cross between a penis and potato"...close enough!  Come on down!

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 20:10 | 5132414 Harbanger
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And we could make Dick Tater Tot babies.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 06:42 | 5133646 Lea
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"Sometimes good dictator is necessary"

Can I get an example of a good one?

Easy. Saddam, for one. See the hellhole the country has become after him. Then, Gaddafi. Same kind of hellhole after his ouster. Assad, too, since he maintains an order that spares lives.

Then, not Stalin. His mistakes and idiotic autocracy cost millions of lives to the Soviet Union.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:25 | 5132136 Harbanger
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USA want new President,

PUTIN 2016

You have him 16 year aldready, dont be greedy.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:32 | 5132209 kowalli
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ok, but you should wait, we need to find new one ^_^

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:35 | 5132242 Harbanger
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Ok, OK,  We will accept Ivan Melnikov in the meantime.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:16 | 5132163 AdvancingTime
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After reading this well great article I would like more input as to the Russian view. I can see why Russia doesn't rush to make Ukraine their own as it is a mess. This article again points to a divided Euro-zone and why it has has mixed feelings.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:48 | 5132020 NOTaREALmerican
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Well,  the EU is gonna have to choose sides pretty soon.   

Hey Merkel,  don't forget who's got yer gold and what all the foreign troop in your country are for.  

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 18:54 | 5132058 Wolferl
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Keep the gold, most likely you don´t have it anymore anyway. And those few troops you have here are mincemeat within a day or two if we want to.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:18 | 5132175 Harbanger
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The Berlin Wall should have been built along the west German border.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:47 | 5132287 Wolferl
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Yep, but the `Muricans needed us soo badly to get protection from communism, so they couldn´t do that.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:52 | 5132316 Harbanger
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I know it's crazy.  But I think you'll get a second chance, there's always hope I say.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 20:07 | 5132404 Majestic12
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"troop mincemeat"...now that's a recipe!  Great for days with a "chill" in the air or a quiet rain...good times...

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 20:11 | 5132427 Bazza McKenzie
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I'm pretty sure the Germans have figured out they won't be seeing that gold again anyway.

So they won't forget who stole their gold.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 21:44 | 5132825 Harbanger
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The jooooz.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:01 | 5132083 kowalli
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We should wait 26 august and hope that Europe leaders have some sort of brain, mb chicken brain...

otherwise i can't tell you how it will end...

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:01 | 5132088 AdvancingTime
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Ukraine is on economic life support. It was a failed country before this mess started and is only being held together by money being dumped in by those who wish to confront Putin. Don't hold your breath for Putin to back-off or back-down, he has put down his marker and is now playing both Obama and Kerry for fools in a contest that cost Russia little. It is likely that if If Putin doesn't get Eastern Ukraine next week he will next month or next year at the latest. More on this subject in the article below.

http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/07/putin-holds-all-cards.html

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:05 | 5132110 Wolferl
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Putin doesn´t want Eastern Ukraine. Putin wants to keep Crimea. And as long as there´s a civil war in Eastern Ukraine no one talks about Crimea.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:06 | 5132114 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  More on this subject in the article below.

If he doesn't capture it before Rick Perry and Mitt Romney are elected he'll be in REAL trouble, because most of the people on here will change sides in an instant.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:04 | 5132103 Fuku Ben
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Putin & Obama are like Boris & Natasha in a Fractured Fairy Tale

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 20:00 | 5132368 Harbanger
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I take it Obama plays Natasha, right.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:08 | 5132121 ebworthen
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Germany's societal guilt over Nazi atrocities is quite high, as is their need for Russian Natural Gas.

The U.S. poking the Russian Bear, especially in their own back yard and considering the 20+ Million Russians who lost their lives in WWII - is a gross miscalculation, shameful, and embarrassing.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 23:49 | 5133221 monad
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Yeah. Like at the end of that bankster circus the 30 Russians who as they overan the eastern front raped a farmer's daughter in front of him, twice each. Because on that acreage he must have been a NAZI supporter, so he deserved it.

"The"y do not give a damn about anyone outside their group.

Read Hegel.

He had it right, and honorable. Same as Adams, it required honor to be civilized. These religous fraud zionist mafia are the vermin he described, who would negate the possibility of his ideal, acting it out as he said they would.

For all mankind. 

Know what their explicit definition of "all mankind" is.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 09:41 | 5133907 falak pema
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So what's your point?

The Mongols overran Russia, then the Ottomans, the French did it as well. Hitler followed. So the Russians didn't invent anything new.

On the other side of the pond, the Spanish overran Latin America. The Anglos followed suit in US of A. 

Then the Europeans overran Africa and fed Opium to the Chinese.

Meanwhile the Euros decided to take each other out in WW1 and WW2.

So all mankind has this lust for other man's blood in his genes.

Ever since Eve said : yes I want to bite it and I want in now! 

Hey Presto, we had lost the Garden of Eden.

Now we are all lost brothers of Sisyphus. 

Start pushing that rock bro !  

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:08 | 5132122 uistbhoy
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People in general (including historians) have an incredibly superficial understanding of the causes of WWI and II, which means by extension that any comparison between now and then is going to be very superficial.

What I mean by this is that they focus on epiphenomenal events or phenomena such as alliances and a guy getting killed without looking at the deeper dynamics at play.

I'm not going to pretend that I could give a full analysis of all the deeper dynamics at play, but what I will say is don't blindly accept these simplistic comparisons and do your own homework.

Yes a war may well break out but to point to factors such as an annexation here or an alliance there is the worst kind of infantile superstition.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:09 | 5132131 Itch
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Putin thinks a good game, but unfortunately that game is all in his head. Sadly he will keep believing that he is playing a game, until he is in a bunker putting his own stupid gun in his mouth. 

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 06:48 | 5136534 Gavrikon
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You first.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:12 | 5132149 Jack Burton
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When I was young I developed a strong interest in Russia and the USSR, mainly because I love to read history and at the time we in America were in the midst of the cold war, and I was in the military. For a decade or more I read countless histories of Russia from the days of Kievan Rus on to the mordern USSR.

To be short, what happens now in Ukraine is not new, and not due to any Russian actions there. Ukraine as a fascinating and super complex history! Too complex for any sound bite or simplistic idea. That is why Washington and the media seem so pathetic.

The different forces at work inside modern Ukraine do not lend themselves to a modern state, a united state, a peaceful state or a state with a long term future as current borders stand.

Centuries of different rulers and wars and religious changes load the dice in Ukraine toward conflict. Especially bad is the influence of Soviet rule for over 70 years. The end of the USSR left Ukraine with Soviet bordes, and Soviet bordes were a fiction in time of Soviet dictatorship and repression. Once Ukraine left the USSR, it took all the old Soviet baggage with it. And a big one was the famous Russian Donbass region in the east, where the war is now underway. Where 8 millions Russians have lived and built up the industry of Russia and the USSR. Communists gave Donbass to Urkaine to adminsiter under Soviet rule. This is Russia in all but borders, communist bordes. So that is a problem for Kiev. Another Kiev problem is the far west of Ukraine, also a ver different ethnic and religious group in Galicia Ukraine. Home to the fascist movements. The religious battles of earlier centuries and rule by different nations left marks there. Religious warfare is nothing new to Ukraine, ethnic warfare is not new, foreign interventions are common in their history.

A huge mistake ws made by Washington DC and the EU when they threw history out the window and made a fascist coup in Kiev. Nuland was out of her depth, and clueless! To set up Jewish Oligarchs backed by Galician fascists as the muscle to rule as a junt ain Kiev meant war was going to happen for sure. Crimea was arming itself months before Euro Maidan coup happened. Malitias of Ethic Russians were armed and traine dover a decade ago in Donbass during the US Orange Revolution. How did the east fight so fast and so well?? Because they have trained for this for over 10 years. Several thousnad men were already armed and organized to defend DOnbass from Kiev's western rulers. This base has grown into a full scale army.

Let me say again. The US led coup was reason for war for many Ukrainians. Many past scores and religious scores are up to be settled. The USA did not undestand what it was doing, it set lose hundreds of years of hate and dislike, economic, religious, ethnic and historical difference made the was we see now a sure bet. But Washigton Obama and Neocons wanted this war! Those cunts want to drag Russia into war, want to split Russia from the EU. They want war, to islolate Russia from Europe and to rule Europe from Washington DC. That is the game plan.

As for media, forget it, they needed weeks to even figure out where Crimea was.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:18 | 5132170 NOTaREALmerican
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Good post.    And, there are Cossasks.

Cossacks' Dance - YouTube

 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 22:48 | 5133060 Latina Lover
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Thank You Jack Burton.

You truly are one of the few writers on ZH that understands the nuances of a most complex conflagation. 

If I were a chick, I'd blow you for free, LOL.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 02:18 | 5133458 Harbanger
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He happens to be gay (I know cause like to follow his posts) so I think he'll gladly take a blow job from you.  Being gay in Russia happens to dangerous you know, but he suffers from cognitive dissonance.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 09:25 | 5133875 Latina Lover
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It is obvious you have never been to Russia otherwise you would not make such an ignorant statement. Moscow has a gay scene that rivals San Fran. and no one gives a shit.  But Putin will not allow the school system to push gay lifestyles on minors.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 08:50 | 5136644 Harbanger
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I lived there for 10 years and speak rashian fluently.  You're fucking nuts.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:24 | 5132196 Omen IV
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"The USA did not undestand what it was doing, it set lose hundreds of years of hate and dislike, economic, religious, ethnic and historical difference "

sounds like the US in Iraq

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:30 | 5132214 Circle of DNA
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The only time Ukraine was a functional society is when Kiev was Russia's capital.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 21:10 | 5132679 emersonreturn
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+1000, thank you, jack.  as always.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 01:55 | 5133433 Freddie
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Jack - don't we also have centuries of battles between the Catholics in the West and Orthodox Christians in the East?

Also will the Ukies ever wake up and go back to Kiev to kill those dual citizen oligarchs who started this shit?

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 06:52 | 5133662 Lea
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"Several thousnad men were already armed and organized to defend DOnbass from Kiev's western rulers. This base has grown into a full scale army."

And they have a very old tradition of fighting invaders. Those are the descendants of the Zaporozhian Cossacks, mixed with ethnic Russian stock. Not taking into account the historic and human elements is always a huge mistake.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:14 | 5132154 GooseShtepping Moron
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This article gets an "awesome" rating from me. Good writing and clear analysis, nothing to quarrel with. I'm especially fond of this sentence:

Russia’s reactions to NATO and the EU’s policy ambitions towards Ukraine have been perfectly logical and could easily have been foreseen by any competent analyst.

Notice he wrote "competent analyst," as in not clowns passing out reset buttons. It's a shame to think we once had diplomats who understood Russia and knew what they were doing.

George Kennan's Long Telegram.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:51 | 5132306 Berspankme
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Hilary brought a plastic toy red button to russia. Putin is still laughing. A fucking toy.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:52 | 5132311 Amish Hacker
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Agreed, but I think it was a mistake to arbitrarily start at the end of WWII, omitting the Holomodor (a Ukranian word that means "extermination by hunger") of 1932-33, when nearly 10 million residents of the Ukranian Soviet Socialist Republic were deliberately starved to death. Something like that stays in a nation's collective memory for a long time.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 14:14 | 5134561 Jack4952
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To Amish Hacker:

The "Holomodor" (the "Great Starvation") is remembered every year throughout Ukraine. There was NO shoratge of food in either Russia or Ukraine at that time. Stalin simply took most of the food from Ukraine; hoping that millions of Ukrainians would starve to death.

I am an American who has been visiting Ukraine for over a decade; and have lived here permanently since 2009.

Before 2006 I had NEVER even heard of this event, much less been taught about in school or college. The genocide of the Jews in Hitler's Europe, the Armenians by the Turks, the American Indians by the whites throughout the Americas, the Irish by the British (in the "great potato famine") and even Stalin's massacres of millions of Soviet officers and suspected politcial opponents were all common knowledge to American students.

But not ONE word about the mass starvation in Ukraine by Stalin in 1932-33. Even today, I hear about ONLY in Ukraine. The people here, even those who are very "pro-Russian", mourn this event every year.

John-Henry Hill, M.D.

retired physician

http://JohnHenryHill.Wordpress.com

 

 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:21 | 5132184 Omen IV
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it's time for obama to resign so international diplomacy can proceed between serious people

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:22 | 5132187 NOTaREALmerican
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Joe Biden?

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 20:23 | 5132480 darteaus
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OK, that's just scary there: Joe Biden, "Lurch" Kerry and his predecessor, Witch Clintoon.

Those are America's champions?!

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 20:24 | 5132483 Harbanger
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No he's retarded and Hitlery is too tarnished.  We will have to wait for Pocahontas in 2016.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 21:18 | 5132716 darteaus
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Faux-cahontas?

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:26 | 5132203 Atomizer
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Pay back the money!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUKbZmPn0e0&sns=em

The central planning choo choo train is racing off the tracks.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:29 | 5132219 Mr Giggles
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Poland is Germany if they no what is good,,,, (silly sods). 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:38 | 5132252 Mr Giggles
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russia polska german sure in nuff. mc blood stain hates this.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:51 | 5132312 limacon
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http://andreswhy.blogspot.com/2014/02/replay-of-1914.html

Eurasia : same tune , different dancers.
Only the blood remains the same color .

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:51 | 5132313 limacon
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http://andreswhy.blogspot.com/2014/02/replay-of-1914.html

Eurasia : same tune , different dancers.
Only the blood remains the same color .

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:57 | 5132344 My Days Are Get...
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What is incomprehensible to me is that the CIA, Pentagon, State Department all have indigenous think tanks together with access to the smartest consultants, professors, etc.

Nevertheless, the supposed strategies of the USA are either non-existent or poorly thought out.  I could give the "Ukraine" assignment out to 10 knowledgeable people ( in the US and elsewhere) with specific questions and get answers and comments within 2 weeks.  Compare notes.  Rehash and re-send for follow-up.  And have a plan with contingencies and fall-backs within 6 weeks possibly at a total cost of not more than $100,000.

I will ignore the persons in office and supposedly in power.  The likes of Goldman Sachs will have many in depth scenarios mapped out for financial gain purposes.  The real people in power must know that there is no plan of action, meaning that they intended the everything to go FUBAR from the Git-go.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 19:58 | 5132345 My Days Are Get...
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What is incomprehensible to me is that the CIA, Pentagon, State Department all have indigenous think tanks together with access to the smartest consultants, professors, etc.

Nevertheless, the supposed strategies of the USA are either non-existent or poorly thought out.  I could give the "Ukraine" assignment out to 10 knowledgeable people ( in the US and elsewhere) with specific questions and get answers and comments within 2 weeks.  Compare notes.  Rehash and re-send for follow-up.  And have a plan with contingencies and fall-backs within 6 weeks possibly at a total cost of not more than $100,000.

I will ignore the persons in office and supposedly in power.  The likes of Goldman Sachs will have many in depth scenarios mapped out for financial gain purposes.  The real people in power must know that there is no plan of action, meaning that they intended the everything to go FUBAR from the Git-go.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 20:07 | 5132405 q99x2
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Pretty good article. Russia is the land of this century that is for sure.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 20:34 | 5132526 123dobryden
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the proble lies in BACKING. prove me wrong, vast vast vast majority of people on the planet, when it comes to physical violence wants to back only

1. himself

2. loved ones

3. friends and family

4. and that is it

 

that was about backing personaly, yet we can back someone financialy, as without finances there is no war. and again very very few people would be willing to finance war as it rarely comes with profit and more rarely to profit majority

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 21:23 | 5132739 Hannibal Barca
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This is a diamond! Great intelligence.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 21:29 | 5132771 123dobryden
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russian money supply

 

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/russia/money-supply-m2

 

i think something is going on

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 21:47 | 5132833 Reptil
Fri, 08/22/2014 - 22:07 | 5132925 emersonreturn
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thank you reptil; also for the dw site.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 22:29 | 5133002 Reptil
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I traced it back to the original source: Turns out it's a propaganda website of the Kiev "euromaidan" people.
Some questions:
1. How could these "euromaidan" people know so fast what has happened? They are in Kiev, not in control over Lugansk and since a day not in control over the surroundings of Lugansk.
2. According to this website this "businessman" was kidnapped some time ago. Why wasn't there any response if that was known? Certainly rebels could've been held to account, and that would've meant political gain for Kiev. Why this reaction now that alledgedly he is dead?
3. Where was the body found, where was he kidnapped exactly? Lugansk is under siege. It seems highly irregular for some consul to be running around, dodging rockets and attack helicopters.
4. The EU Foreign service already put out a sharp announcement regarding this. That is quite fast. They copied this information of "euromaidan" 100%. So if they did, what facts do they have and we don't?
5. Anything these "euromaidan" spooks have said turned out to be disinformation, or a 180 degree spin. So... where is their evidence?
6. This could be a "Casus Belli" since Lithouania is a NATO member. We must demand evidence, or face a possible "Sarajevo moment".

http://euromaidanpress.com/2014/08/22/lithuanian-consul-murdered-by-russ...

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 22:39 | 5133037 Sandmann
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Maybe the Azov Brigade thought he should be beheaded ?

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 22:51 | 5133077 Latina Lover
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Reptil, I respect your committment and depth of analysis, but honestly, no one gives a shit about a stinking Luthie diplomat.  Most americans would be hard pressed to find their ass with both hands, much less care about Ukie agitation propaganda.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 22:57 | 5133097 Reptil
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I just found out the guy is NOT a Luthie diplomat... He's a UKRANIAN citizen. I actually just saw this passing by on the newsfeed.
Ukraine is not a NATO member.
The whole thing stinks...

Yeah... I get your point.
But I've given up to "inform the general public". They believe whatever they want. They'll run straight into a wideopen obvious trap. Fuck them.
I think a core of intelligent, capable people, connected throughout the world, exchanging information quickly is worth the effort.
It's a propaganda war. And we can win. :-)
We have to.
A war with the BRICS would seriously fuck all of our chances inmediately.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 04:09 | 5133540 Sandmann
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He is not a Diplomat. Lithuania held the Eu Presidency and spread their "Eu advisers" throughout Ukraine. This guy was in place from Nov 2013 to facilitate Ukraine's entry into the EU.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 06:35 | 5133640 Urban Redneck
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The title of Honorary Consul is generally given by Grand Poobah to a foreigner who helps the Grand Poobah successfully play a sticky wicket. They are almost always given to foreign residents and very often to foreign citizens (usually lawyers or industrialists).

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 22:19 | 5132963 My Days Are Get...
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Deutsche Welle (dw) is to Germany as Radio Free Europe and Voice of America are to the USA.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 22:32 | 5133016 Reptil
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Yes they are. They've changed their tone into "straight up propaganda" since a month or so, instead of the more neutral fact finding articles they had put out before.
The original source is "Euromaidanpress". Which is the enemy of the ethnic russians in this conflict.
There's already a cognitive disconnect in this story. How would they know before anyone else?

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 22:42 | 5133046 Sandmann
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Honorary Consul not diplomat. You buy "Honorary Consul" titles as a businessman to get a diplomatic passport just as people join IMF or UN to get one

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 22:58 | 5133099 Reptil
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yep, correct!

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 22:33 | 5133018 Sandmann
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So there was no USSR history with Ukraine pre-1945 ? Do you know how Pilsudski and the Poles fought over Ukraine after 1919....how Stalin was a Political Commissar when USSR fought Poland in the Battle of The Vistula ? Do you note the Hetmen ? Do you mention RONA and Kaminski. Do you mention Holodomor ? Do you mention Galicia and Lwow = Lviv = Lemberg ? Do you mention he proxy war between Poland and Russia today in Ukraine ? You know nothing of the European Perspective

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 22:33 | 5133020 Republi-Ken
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PUTIN IS ONLY 5-6!!!!

THAT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING...

HE A SHORT SHITHEAD...

LIKE ALL SHORT MALE CONSERVATIVES 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 22:53 | 5133082 Latina Lover
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With utterly stupid commentary like this, no wonder the Ukies are losing against Russia. Only the state department of the USSA is dumber for siding with  such low quality allies.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 23:10 | 5133131 Reptil
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The scemers behind this (and every BS conflict the past 200 years).
Their only intelligence is how to steal and corrupt. Their outlook on human evolution is repeating known cataclisms. Their culture is lewd entertainment and disgusting violence. They have no imagination, or interest in reaching higher goals for our race. In fact they'd much prefer to see most of us as dumb and easily corruptable. The concept of "high tide lifts all boats" is a menace to their reign.
They're completely worthless to our species.
Yet they're in control over an imaginairy control mechanism.
With a finger on a self destruct button.
That is a deplorable situation.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 23:34 | 5133197 monad
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Except for the 100 year USA test case of the North Americans, yes. 

Don't blame the scientists measuring you until you know how they are skewing the factors that drive you, to make you produce the results they want.

Ferguson, anyone?

Help me, Everyman.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 23:31 | 5133191 monad
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P.J. O'Roarke is a master of funny. Check out MAD Magazine. 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 22:34 | 5133025 Republi-Ken
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AND PUTIN HAS A SMALL DICK TO MATCH 5-6.

 

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 23:10 | 5133135 tony wilson
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Niall Ferguson is scottish rite raping mason

he is best friends with edwyne and jacob and nat rotschild he even wrote a book about the family for fuck sake.

he is a satanist with blood on his hands cock and feet

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 23:53 | 5133246 monad
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It is beyond obvious that there have been multiple human breeding programs since Hitler thought he won the lottery.

Is that really what you want? Gattaca? Then do not let me stop you from the extinction you desire. I will be investing my efforts in GETTING THE FUCK OUT OF YOUR WAY.

Goodby.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 04:03 | 5133523 Sauerkraut-Opinion
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Citation: "They jointly own Germany’s “Gascade” 2,000 km pipeline and Russia through Gazprom now controls"

Autor should explain that due to the past warm winter Germanys gas reserves are completely full. In case of a complete sanction of gas there would be no shortage for at least 6 months. This scenario didn't happen not even in the deepest crisis during the cold war.

On the other hand alternative energy sources are build up fastly in Germany and politicians & lobbyists are already exploiting the Ukraine-Crisis to accelerate Germans high ambitions to get widely independent from commodities for energetic use anyway. This project is called "Energiewende" (change of energy) and already running at full blast - high investments are planned anyway respectively already made or in work. So an eventually gas crisis may also have kind of (some) positive effect for Germany and people at best would appreciate more spending as advanced investments.

Mr. Putin knows this very well...in the long run he and his middle class have to say good bye from Russians most important source of income - one reason more to build a new pipeline to China. Accelerating this process is no good idea.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 04:07 | 5133536 Sandmann
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if the Germans did not make water so expensive the swers would not stink in their cities because of insufficient waste water to flush them........gas is not an energy source in much of Germany, woodburners are.......windmills are stationary objects whose rotors do not always turn but whose blight on the landscape and death to birds is 24/7

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 08:49 | 5133818 shovelhead
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The ever practical Germans have located chicken pie bakeries nearby.

"You'll sing for Gunthers Chicken Pies."

 

Hint: Chickens don't sing.

 

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 04:23 | 5133548 Renegade0031
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Well, tomorrow the people of Ukraine will have there national holiday, give the folks bread and games and they will forget evrything, after 2months the winter start kicking in.... still a huge national debt, no pensions have been paid out, and the corruption is bigger then ever....

get ready for a second Maidan!

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 05:14 | 5133569 Lea
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> "The History Is Important (...) When Germany was finally defeated Ukraine ended deep in Soviet territory."

Yes, history is important. That's why the author might like to learn that the Eastern Ukraine became a Russian province as early as 1791, long before the Soviets. Capital: Kyiv.

> "Short men often feel a need to assert themselves in the company of taller men".

When some dude out of nowhere takes himself for Freud, he usually speaks such crap he ends up insulting everyone's intelligence. Beware, all of you short men: if you want to practise sports, it's only because you want to compensate for your inferiority complex.
Tall men can do anything they like, short men can't. Short men's motives are dubious. Ok?

All in all, a useless article.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 08:12 | 5133758 viedoklis_lv
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Russia propoganda lies exposed:

http://youtu.be/mV6ct4GW7pw

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 09:15 | 5133857 shovelhead
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Well here's something that's not US propaganda.

https://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/2277

You'll note that not only does it claim the rights to drill in former Soviet states but the kicker is that it authorizes the US /NATO to give an ultimatum to Russia to leave Crimea in 7 days ...or else.

Think that is likely?

How far will this bill get? Do you trust anyone up there on the Hill?

How about a war with a nuclear power that won't back down? Even a convention war will fill bodybags by the thousands.

I've posted this to a number of columnists in the US and abroad to let people know how insane the Neocons have become and people need to let them know this shit won't fly. Some more emails from other readers won't hurt either.

Right there in black and white. America doesn't need any more blood on it's hands.

Hat tip to rwe2late for posting this.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 09:36 | 5133900 BlackVoid
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"It is still a mystery to many historians as to how and why this event led to the slaughter of nine million people, and this uncertainty is admitted in Ferguson’s article"

 

Lauging my ass off on this one. It was just another war designed by the ruling families of the planet. Clueless historians, EPIC FAIL.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 11:00 | 5134083 disabledvet
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World war I was caused by greedy French and British statists who saw Austria as "ripe for the picking.". Turned out they were wrong.  Move along.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 11:15 | 5134125 HenryHall
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"October Revolution of 1914"?

I don't think so!

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 17:45 | 5135186 MEAN BUSINESS
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Increasingly, the East is challenging why the needs of its population of 5 billion should be so deferential to the West's 1 billion.

I am very interested to see what those 5 billion have to say to the 1 billion when they meet one month from today in NYC at Ban's big summit.

Increasingly, it seems to me the UN is on the ropes along with the IMF, The World Bank, the World Trade Organization (Putin just flipped them the bird with the ag import ban), and NATO. If the UN can't facilitate a deal in Paris, it will be left behind in the dust. 

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