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Obama's "Do Nothing Stupid" Foreign Policy Fails Again As 'New' Iraqi Government Formation Crumbles
President Obama's cunning plan to 'quasi-ouster' Shiite PM Maliki, in the vague hopes that a more egalitarian all-inclusive Iraqi government could be formed that will magically lead the 'people' of the Sykes-Picot-defined nation to coalesce in sovereignty against The Islamic State has, somewhat understating it and perhaps unsurprisingly, hit a roadblock. As Bloomberg reports, Obama's effort to have Arabs take the lead in combating Islamic State suffered a setback when Sunni lawmakers quit talks on forming a new Iraqi government after Shiite gunmen killed scores of worshipers at a Sunni mosque. The killings in Diyala province derailed attempts to form an Iraqi government with bigger roles for Sunni Arabs and Kurds that would strengthen the fight against the terrorist group. It appears the common knowledge of who is friend and who is foe remains very much in the air.
Iraq’s survival, including its ability to beat ISIL, depends on Iraqis rising above their differences, U.S. Vice President Joe Biden wrote yesterday in an op-ed in the Washington Post. He and Obama are encouraged by signs of Iraqi leaders recognizing the need to end the deadlock, he said.
Doing so would require acknowledging that, in opposing Islamic State, the U.S. and Sunni Arabs have a common interest with traditional foes such as Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and Hezbollah, which the U.S., the European Union and Israel consider a terrorist organization.
U.S. President Barack Obama’s effort to have Arabs take the lead in combating Islamic State suffered a setback when Sunni lawmakers quit talks on forming a new Iraqi government after Shiite gunmen killed scores of worshipers at a Sunni mosque.
The killings in Diyala province derailed at least temporarily attempts to form an Iraqi government with bigger roles for Sunni Arabs and Kurds that would strengthen the fight against the terrorist group. Ben Rhodes, the deputy White House national security adviser, said yesterday that the U.S. will consider airstrikes in Syria if needed to combat Islamic State.
However - this is a silver lining to The State Department...
“This senseless attack underscores the urgent need for Iraqi leaders from across the political spectrum to take the necessary steps that will help unify the country against all violent extremist groups,” deputy U.S. State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf said in a statement.
So, let's get this straight - due to the senseless Sunni-Shia attack, amid efforts to bring the two sides politically closer to take on The Islamic State together, the US State Department says the Sunni and Shia shoould move quicker towards partnership?
The breakdown in talks came as U.S. officials underscored what they called a growing threat posed by Islamic State, which also is known as ISIL, for Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.
The airstrikes are not quite going according to plan either...
Yesterday’s attacks brought the number of American airstrikes in Iraq to 93.
Expanded airstrikes, especially if they extend to populated areas, also would run an increased risk of causing civilian casualties and property damage.
That could drive some Iraqis and Syrians into the arms of Islamic State, these officials said. Like Hamas in Gaza, they said, IS would use civilians, including Christians, Yezidis, Turkmen and other minorities, as human shields.
Instead, three of the officials said, Obama has emphasized the need for Iraq’s Shiite Prime Minister-designate Haidar al-Abadi to grant Sunnis and Kurds more power and positions in a new government.
Without that, these officials said, Sunni tribes in central Iraq that in 2006 joined U.S. forces in fighting al-Qaeda in Iraq, a predecessor to IS, will remain on the sidelines or allied with the extremists.
The Kurds, who’ve done much of the fighting so far, will be reluctant to fight outside the northern areas they claim, especially if the Kurdistan Regional Government remains embroiled with the central government over the right to sell oil.
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What a mess!?
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We suspect, in some dark corner of Washington, Hillary is grinning from ear to ear.
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And I thought Christians were good at killing each other.
These Sunni/Shia Muslims make the Catholic/Protestant Christians look like pikers.
No wonder it took a brutal dictator to contain the insanity; bet a lot of Iraqi's miss Saddam.
Obama
Clinton
...Worst USSA President ever.
Carter knows how to build a house. Obie only knows how to drone one.
Obama is doing exactly what his owners want him to do-allow the psyops to grow and rage in order to suck the public into supporting another war for Israel.
Murdering Saddam Hussein was the worst thing the USSA ever did for Iraq. Only a strong dictatorial hand like his was able to keep the religious fanatics under control. And yet, no politician will ever admit to this, and the MSM will forever say the USSA must keep bombing and torturing to try to establish peace.
Why am I no longer proud to be an American?
< Do nothing stupid.
< Do nothing, stupid...
Best describes USSA policy.
Do nothing but golf...
@ebworthen ...
You write:
"And I thought Christians were good at killing each other.
These Sunni/Shia Muslims make the Catholic/Protestant Christians look like pikers."
One must assume yours is a reference to the conflict in (Northern) Ireland?
If so, you should go back and study again that part of history, which will benefit you by disabusing you of the notion that this is some sort of religious conflict. It is not. It is only by happenstance that the indiginous people (the Irish) are Catholic (sort of), and the people who invaded their country (the English) are Protestant (sort of).
To be sure, this is what we were all taught as children (look at those wacky 'Christians'), but it is not true. For example, if the Chinese invaded America, and the Americans objected, could one fairly portray that as a conflict between Buddists and Christians?
I think he's probably referring to the conflict usually called the 30 Year War. The war was initially an attempt to exterminate the Protestants in Germany which degernerated into a complete cluster f*ck. Sort of like Iraq.
Barack Hussein Obama: Manchurian Candidate And Trojan Horse, Warmonger And Deceiver
666,
You wrote: "am I no longer proud to be an American"
How about Vietnam?
Were you proud?
Are you referring to John F. Kennedy's war?
It took two more presidents and Nixon to shut that off. Then they got rid of Nixon....and they probably should have.
So what are we going to do about Obama at this juncture?
GetZeeGold,
Your comment shows that you don’t know geography and that you don’t understand history.
Maybe we should talk about gold?
Please stop already with stupidity and incompetence, This is all orchestrated and planned by the globalists. Whether it will actually work is another story
Bush the second is the worst president ever, by a long shot...
Lincoln by a wide mile.
Nobody is responsible for killing more Americans than him.
The judgement of history and the people of the U.S. is clear: responsibility for the Civil War lies with the slave owners and their pocket politicians.
So sayth the winners of the war.
Slavery would have collapsed on its own given time. Lincoln wiped his ass with the constitution and killed with a bloodlust to keep the states together. He didn't give a squirt of piss about the blacks.
No. No form of slavery collapses on its own. Stay on bended knee and see how long the present form of slavery can last...
The English abolished slavery and would have implemented slavery embargos on the Confederate states until they abolished it. The north could have done that too. Under those economic pressures the South would have done it. And without bloodshed too.
Nothing in empirical case study suggests that what you are saying is even close to beig honest or accurate.
So, your point is that regardless of economics or politics, slavery is supremely resliant and can only be changed by war (which killed 2% of the population IIRC - the bloodiest war fought by the US by a long shot)?
Seems like slavery would be all over just like cockroaches (unless there was previously a huge war to root it out), if your thesis were true. On that note, why doesn't it crop back up if so resilient?
Did I miss something?
My history on the subject is a bit rusty, so perhaps fight club can help me out here, but didn't this start because the "north" insisted the "south" sell them their ag products rather than selling at a higher price to other foriegn bidders?
I also recall bankers being lined up to loan Lincoln money, which might have brought down the American experiment much sooner, but Lincoln just printed paper and bypassed the whole "lending at interest" thing. Just pointing out that our government could do the same thing rather than borrowing at interest.
Regards,
Cooter
you are correct. The tax and tarriffs system of the day was set up to funnel wealth from the south to the north. The southern states reognized the economic system was unfairly set up to favor the northern states, who largely ran the federal govt, and decided that since the US was formed as 'a voluntary union of seperate states' they would seceed from the union. Lincoln had one of his minions goad some southerners into firing the first shot, and even congradualted the person who caused it, since he needed them to fire the first shots. The civil war was NOT FOUGHT OVER SLAVERY. and lincoln stated many times he had no care for southern slaves, and did not think black people should ever be equal to whites, act as jurors in a trial, or intermarry with whites. He also tried to deport them all back to africa. And yes, slavery was ended without bloodshed everywhere else. I see no reason why that couldnt have been the case here
tried to deport them all back to africa.
And Haiti!
genes Libya whisk stands for land of the free slaves and is said to the shores of tripoli rite?
Cooter,
By the way, did you give up fishing? Or, were you kidding us?
Anyway,
Another reason for the civil war [to exploit the South] was that the ‘North’ economy was stagnating [railroad and land speculation collapsed, living the north bankrupted and its savings gone] while the ‘South’ was prospering.
The Confederates already had a plan to abolish slavery.
They already had a currency too.
They had their shit together quite well.
The choice should have been easy: 600,000 dead VS just letting the South fucking go.
Lincoln made the wrong choice.
Most blacks were worse off for a long time after the civil war than before it. They had their freedom, at least on the surface but they had no property or employment of any sort, if they wanted things like food and shelter, they had to basically go begging to their previous owners. I agree that Lincoln didn't seem to do much for the newly freed slaves after freeing them. They were basically free to starve afterwards.
Thats becuase history is written by the winners. Read Ralph Raico or Tom Woods if you want to know the real history behind it. That war was over states rights, on whether or not this was a 'voluntary union of states'. Lincoln stated many times he had no care for black people or slaves. People who say otherwise are either lying or are stupid, which one are you? If it was about slavery, why did the emancipation proclamation only free slaves in the south where lincoln had no control over them, but did not free the slaves in slave owning states that didn't seceed, where he actually could control them. This was about economics, money nothing else. The southern states decided it was in their best interests to seperate from the north, and Lincoln nearly wiped out a generation of Americans to do so. Posse Comitatus was written to protect future generations from another lincoln after the disgracful way the union armies conducted themselves during 'reconstruction'. If his cause was so great, why did he have to suspend habeas corpus, jail dissenters, shut down opposition newspapers in the north, and use federal troops to intimidate voters at polling place? Lincoln was not only a terrible president, he paved he way for the abuse of power we have seen by pretty much every president since.
Worst first:
Obama
Carter
Bush 2
LBJ (lest we forget)
Woodrow (commie prick to boot - matter of fact, thx WW for your map drawing skills post Ottoman Empire, and the 100 years of shit since)
Cheers all,
My list:
LBJ (yeah, that's right)
Bush 2
Obama
Bush 1
Nixon
No war during Carter's term, so Carter skates.
Kudos on including LBJ. He's the worst. Huge welfare state expansion, Viet Nam war (yeah, it's his war), abetting another nasty war, kicking off inflation, affirmative action, shitty supreme court nominees and the crime of the 20th century. An impressive list unmatched by anyone.
These men are why the US went from WWII victors to its current sad state.
"...Worst USSA President ever."
That would be Lincoln the Dictator and Republic Destroyer. Runner-up is the auctioneer of the DC US and American people, Wilson. All others are just shades of these scumbags.
An American, not US subject.
"So I came upon a river swollen with flood. Being that I could not swim, I pondered on how to make my way across. Along came a pol who offered to let me cross free on his back. Being wise in the matters of pols, I was not sure if I should take the offer, and risk being drowned and eaten by him. After careful thought, I happened on a solution--I killed the pol and used his body as a float to aid my crossing. Who says pols are not worth something?!"
In the future I recommend using your seat cushion. It doesn't smell as bad after the second day.
Strong cases can be made for Lincoln and Wilson as bad presidents.
y3maxx,
Your US President History is pretty lame. Embarrassing!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjWQtzB9jE8
Please, Chomsky is an apologist for the state that pretends to be a libertarian of sorts while working for his government pension.
Thanks, Escrava Isaura. Chomsky is always a welcome voice.
Chomsky = gate keeper and limited hang out meister.
I very rarely click on "surprise" youtube links on ZH anymore. I just get tired of the crazy at the other end.
It would be more productive if you actually bothered to "write" an idea or share a structured opinion, instead of the cut-and-paste monkey coupled with absolute assertions.
Care to bother writing why? Too much work?
Regards,
Cooter
Sure Cooter, my pleasure.
Not that I should remind you, but, obviously that I have, too:
I could list a list of crimes committed by religion, US presidents, our capitalist system, and so on. I could even go as far back as our “Founding Lawyers” crimes.
While at it, I could even try to figure out for you why psychopaths do what they do. And why hypocrites try to find psychological support in nonsense writing and data.
But, that would make this post too long and nobody would read…. Or easily forgettable!
So, I am going to leave you with this quote:
“Freud was one of the last representatives of Enlightenment philosophy. He genuinely believed in reason as the one strength man has and which alone could save him from confusion and decay.” — Erich Fromm, in The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness (1977)
>>our capitalist system
I stopped reading there. Capitalism has been around since the beginning of man. The free exchange of goods (which we do not have in this country) is not the root of our problem. Not even close.
Slave,
So, let me try this post, instead. And see if this one is CLOSER:
Capitalism: An economic system in which trade, industry, and the means of production are largely or entirely privately owned and operated for profit. Central characteristics of capitalism is capital accumulation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism
Wilson Wilson
Obama
Carter
<-- Bush 1 & 2
<-- Obama
BFF of Zionists -- ever! As in.. "Running interference, providing free stuff for their FSA"
While many of us recognize what a disaster Obama is, sadly there are many who would welcome his removal at similar costs here. There has got to be a better way. Ultimately I think it is just up to the people to say no and suffer the costs which will be high. Otherwise we get what we deserve.
All we need are some Butch tax cuts, a few weapons of mass destruction in the desert to go after, a little water boarding a little subprime housing boom and we'll have a booming economy!
Caviar,
Wisdom with a sense of humor in one paragraph! Only you, Caviar.
Yes humor is the only thing standing between reality and despair
I have often remarked that sarcasm (or cynicism depending) is the last line of mental defense.
The shit in the news these days is so surreal, I feel numb anymore. Fuck it, I am going fishing!
Regards,
Cooter
For years,when anyone posted anything in the least derogatory about our parvenu presidente,legions of pro-Obama trolls leapt out to cry 'racism'and other irrelevancies,including that hoary chesnut'Bush's fault'
Well,it's been 6 years and now it's plain for all to see that this unqualified Trojan horse is the worst mistake the leftist electorate in this country ever made,compounded by re-electing the SOB when it was apparent to any sentient being that he was destroying the country and jeopardizing the world .
So how about it,Obama trolls-and you know who you are-lets hear a little apologizing
drstrangelove73,
It could get worse. You could have Hillary in 2016.
Greenskeeper_Carl
You wrote below: “our way of life is crumbling…, and we are STILL fucking around with iraq.”
Carl, your “our” way of life was built by extracting from others. Why are you acting so surprised that’s crumbling, when these nations don’t have enough for their survival?
exactly my sentiments drstrange when our electorate voted Bush in a 2nd time. the only diff to my mind is Ob isnt trying to send my son off
to some f#cking horroil field. Much prefer he waste $1T at home on healthcare than building more roads, schools, hospitals, embassies in some
god forsaken place to be blown up six months later.
British soldiers have been caught posing as Arabs and shooting Iraqis in the occupied city of Basra in southern Iraq. A group of them was caught yesterday by Iraqi police. They were driving an Iraqi car, wearing Arab clothing, and carrying weapons and explosives.
http://newsrescue.com/british-soldiers-faked-arabs-went-inciting-killing...
http://www.eliteukforces.info/special-air-service/sas-operations/basra-r...
our own country and way of life is crumbling before our eyes, and we are STILL fucking around with iraq. As if we have some kind of moral high ground to tell others how to run their country
Maybe another Cairo speech would help ;-)
Well, umm, yes we claim the moral high ground. As a general rule our morals are impeccable and may justify Nepalm
This is the biggest frustration for me. Being an unwilling party to this. Sometimes I wish, as horrifying as it would be, ISIS would actually carry out it's threats and seriously take out a city ( I could suggest a few options) and wake up this corpulent, lazy ass, arrogant country.
We have gotten away with our foreign policy for way to long because the repercussions have never hit home. The only effects the average American ever experiences are higher gas prices and the reasons for such may be spun numerous ways.
Miffed;-)
"Old" foreign policy: subvert anyone in our way, topple their government, promote rebellion, occupy their country.
"New" failed foreign policy: sneak out the back door and hope no one notices we're gone. Become the world's poster child for ineptness.
Seriously, even given how I despise Obama, I'd have to say that the "new" policy is a bit of an improvement over the "old". Non-interventionism would likely work, if we didn't have a legacy that has 2/3rd of the world wanting to kill us... (and yes, I know that characterizing O as a non-interventionist is like applauding a career drunk who's stopped drinking for the afternoon).
SWCroaker,
You wrote: "old". Non-interventionism"
Which administration would that "Non-Interventionism" be?
I don't know how well that will pan out, Miffed. Remember what happened since the last time 'they' attacked 'us.'? The next time there is a 'foreign' (LOL!) attack on US soil, you will need to ask Big Gub if you can step outside your house, go to the bathroom, talk to your kids, etc.
I actually thought of that myself. In my thought experiment, I was hoping a grander scale of attack would have a more desirable effect. However, I must admit, this does fall under that definition of stupidity.
Miffed;-)
Discount no thought experiment - most are just to prove the polarity of your logical correctness.
I always remind everyone - only a true and nasty supply chain disruption will wake anyone up. People are happy where they are. They gots gadgets and drugs and all kinds of hoohahs to spend your time on. You'll barely notice the day went by! (read w/ negative connotation). How that happens, I don't really care, but when that happens, I want to be as far away from big cities as possible.
Perhaps one can go meditate in a forest, like people of old.
The current model of colonialism is to install puppet governments (any way works) and then extract resources. The US elite have put sooooo much money/time into Iraq they can't walk away.
The petro-dollar is under attack and if Iraq folds, it is right next door to really big producers like SA. They are balls deep in this whore and they will dry hump it util the system implodes.
Regards,
Cooter
@Greenskeper_Carl: "our own country and way of life is crumbling before our eyes, and we are STILL fucking around with Iraq. As if we have some kind of moral high ground to tell others how to run their country"
Yes, we are doing it for "moral" reasons. We're doing it "For the Greater Good": "The Great Good of a Greater Israel"
When you put events through this Paradigm (and ignore other/preferred Models or Paradigms), then suddenly facts seem to fit the model to an uncanny accuracy. The US is its Useful Fool, its Useful Tool, its gullible and malleable Schoolyard Bully. America is the Shabbos Goyim par excellence.
Barry is a dope.
Sent to peddle you some hope.
Reminding you of shit you didn't build,
While enabling the money makers' guild...
The next one will pedlle you some rope.
Word.
http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/104103
Guns and Butter
"The Black Budget" with Catherine Austin Fitts
It's officially "Don't do stupid shit."
If humans were truly the virus on earth that many believe, we would never be so self destructive. We just can't stand success.
No the money changers can't accept success, most of us are perfecty fine with non-moneychangers being successful.
All living organisms on the Earth have evolved to assimilate resources for their own needs. This may be from the environment or from other oganisms.
Humans in particular have been natually selected for figuring how to take shit from each other. It is pretty much bred into the DNA.
Don't believe me? Take 10 small children, put them in a room, and pass out five pieces of candy. Suck up, beat up, or team up, else no sweets.
HINT: Parents try to overrule all this behavior by teaching sharing, not taking things that aren't ours, etc.
Regards,
Cooter
Funny how everything is a matter of degree. Your example results results in fights, crying and bullying. In the end children are picked up by the scruff of their necks,trotted out to their parents after learning a life lesson. Ebola ups the ante burning through the body like locusts in a cornfield leaving death in it's wake.
Arthur Dent discovers that his house is to be immediately demolished to make way for a bypass. He tries delaying the bulldozers by lying down in front of them. However,the Earth is to be demolished later that day by a race called Vogons, to make way for a hyperspace bypass. Suddenly, a Vogon Constructor Fleet appears in the sky and destroys the planet.
- Hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy
Miffed;-)
They're INTENTIONALLY stupid!
Nothing happens under CIA-Obama's watch that Israel does not want to happen.
An American, not US subject.
'shiite gunmen'=false flag? who benefits?
When stupid fucking people simply want and need to kill, benefit does not come first to their mind. Primal urges rule where culture fails.
But that is their culture, it's not a fail. Kill and dominate. The West feels that everyone has to fit the mold that we want when it ain't what they iz.
That's why a dictator is the only way to go in such a place.
But Bush called him a dictator and said we needed freedom
AFP is reporting Libyan rebels have seized the Tripoli airport.
https://twitter.com/afp/status/503223984276918272
What difference does it make?
EPIC FAILURE...!
Bullish!
Dow 20,000...
U.S. MIC & Saudi OILigarchs want war in the M.E. for war profits, high Oil prices & to expropriate resources.
U.S. MIC & Saudi OILigarchs don't want war in the M.E.
I salivate over war profits and wonder if we could pull it off as an entirely push-button war using only drones, cruise missiles and borgs, no actual personnel. Then we will have created the perfect virtuous economic cycle once the juice trickles down from the MIC into our mouths.
"
Yesterday’s attacks brought the number of American airstrikes in Iraq to 93.
Expanded airstrikes, especially if they extend to populated areas, also would run an increased risk of causing civilian casualties and property damage.
That could drive some Iraqis and Syrians into the arms of Islamic State, these officials said. Like Hamas in Gaza, they said, IS would use civilians, including Christians, Yezidis, Turkmen and other minorities, as human shields.
Instead, three of the officials said, Obama has emphasized the need for Iraq’s Shiite Prime Minister-designate Haidar al-Abadi to grant Sunnis and Kurds more power and positions in a new government.
Without that, these officials said, Sunni tribes in central Iraq that in 2006 joined U.S. forces in fighting al-Qaeda in Iraq, a predecessor to IS, will remain on the sidelines or allied with the extremists."
Sounds like the Sunnis are calling the shots: 'Give US what we want or we ally with the Saudi Jihadists and ISIS.'
Sounds like Obama is on board with this since he is refusing to call out the Saudis or to honor his promises to release the redacted 9/11 report information that directly implicates Prince Bandar and the Bush Syndicate in plotting/allowing the attacks in order to launch the MIC/Police State 'War on Terror' and destabilize the M.E. to advance the Saudi control of M.E. resources.
Hillary isn't grinning exactly, she just hit her head again in that dark corner and now she's pretty much forgotten everything since Vassar.
And piss broke too. What a tough life.
Chelsea 2016
Chelsea the premier league FC? I could get behind that.
Life of a Prezzydent reality show to debut with her prezzydentsy.
People will gobble that shit up, especially given how poor and close to the commoners these folks are.
Do nothing stupid?? The boy can't help his self...word....boyyyyyy
Whatever you may think of O, doing stupid shit is not a good alternative. W tried that.
In fact if you look at the history of US interventions over the last 60 years, doing nothing might have been preferable.
Right now we have the ME in flames, terrorism on steroids, cold war trying to get back going, the mightiest nation is paranoid and shaking in it's boots and all traceable back to blundering intervention.
Boubou,
Dude, it's all part and parcel with the big plan. You have to look at everything with major thought given to the NWO, aka, Global Government with a Global Currency. Nothing happens today by accident. It is all part of the plan. They actually think they are going to rule the world. I have news for them, the death count will be very high on our side, but we still outnumber them 1000 to 1. In the end, we will win through attrition. That sux, but that's the way it will be.
ISIL Works for Hillary Clinton
q99x2,
Who's ISIL?
Same shit as IS and ISIS. This one is Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant
Also see Ruins of Beverast's song Our Despots Cleanse the Levant.
Sorry!
I taught it was a 'wing part' of the democrats inside of the Republic party.
Sorry... this is kind of DC talking
I'm all for doing nothing stupid in Iraq, Syria,Ukraine,Gaza... If it's so bad where is the rest of the world. I call BS.
"What a mess!?"
But, but, who could have predicted this?!
Answer: anyone with an even slight understanding of the history of the artifiical construct called "Iraq."
Winston Smith 2009,
May I suggest not making it complicated?
Do you remember when we were told Iraq oil "income" would pay for the war?
Can you tell the difference now?
The oil still there, right?
That oil is 'most' for the Pentagon, later on.
Who cares for the killing above ground?
Boy, we sure "fixed" that county.
LOL.
Good goin' USA.
"It appears the common knowledge of who is friend and who is foe remains very much in the air. We suspect, in some dark corner of Washington, Hillary is grinning from ear to ear.
Does Hillary thinks she's exempt from the fully transformimg the US the way Obama and Democrats wants? Obama admins support of the terrosrists in the middle east and deposing those leaders who were keeping quite or extending good terms with US while Hillary was the Sec of State, does that exempt her now for Obama's deleverate bumbling in Iraq? All Democrat are complacent and I might mention RINO's or the so called neo-conservatives (mostly Jews and former Democrat leaning that joined the Republican party just to ruin the party from within) and if any of them gets elected president in 2016 that just proves that the American people are just as complacent to the distruction of the US and their stupidity.
if only the ussa would just stop meddling in middle-eastern affairs,... period!
qatar's gas has no where to go... now that russia and iran control the flow. perhaps the qatari's should have thought twice about fomenting (creating?) a genocide in assad's syria with ~200k dead and millions displaced!
bandarBush should be a walking target for allah's lightning!?! erdogan playing with Zeus's thunderbolt, and the ussa supporting him with a bush-family scorched-earth affirmation policy-- wholeheartedly hoping to give a 'lazarus`esque' to the nabucco ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabucco_pipeline ) pipe (long DOA) dream and their land?holdings in latin america?!? and where's captain death... the fucking cheney/rummy in all this haliburtonian funfest`iville burlesque?
from baku's 'caspian sea' port, to the majestic mountains of turkmenistan, over the hills into kurdistan overarching iranian/iraqi/ and syrian autonomous kurdish`bufferin zone,... headache`ing west into nasty azerbaijan with mossad stirring the pot with armenia an georgia looking down on their mind?
jmo
There's absolutely nothing Obama can do to satisfy the Zero Hedge commenters represented here.
He can do absolutely nothing, and be criticized as indecisive, fearful, neglecting the responsibilities of his office, etc.
Or he can take action and make every effort to "alleviate human suffering" and somehow remedy the situation...and still be criticized.
Irrespective of what Obama does, he's going to be condemned mercilessly. Let's face it, folks, Obama has no good choices. The war that Bush started continues on and on and on....
please do me a favor an read 'obama's wars' by woodward and get back to me.
he did nothing in his first 18 months but plan war with afghanistan, later with libya, and syria, while collaborating with the gcc & sa how to overthrow iran and iraqi shiite
he passed off the health care project to cronies that care little about the proletariet while he could have model'd zerocare after medicare/ss
Absolutely...
"Worst PRESIDENT ever!!!
Bob, suggesting I 'read such-and-such and get back to me' doesn't counter in the least what I've said.
As I stated previously, it doesn't matter what Obama does or doesn't do, Zero Hedge readers will crucify him endlessly.
For the record, Ron Paul hardly had a vigorous foreign policy agenda as a presidential candidate. No proposed invasions. Indeed, not much in the way of foreign entanglements at all.
Man. You really are a tool. I thought an interesting debate with you would be fun. Then I realized.... you really are a tool.
I admire your willingness to swim against the ZH current. Yet, putting the K in Amerikan is trite and shop-worn. And blaming Bush... that's quite a unique position. I hadn't heard that one until just now.
To your point, it really doesn't matter what Obama does or does not do. Obama is a walking shadow. He is a player who struts and frets his hour upon the stage then is heard no more. He is a tale, told by an idiot. Filled with sound and fury signifying nothing.
Or maybe he's an important historical figure who will be remembered for millennia to come for cooling the world and causing the seas to recede.
Or not. I can't tell.
I'm on board with the Zero Hedge meme that the international monetary system is going to hell in a hand basket. And while I've never voted for Obama, Bush II's foreign policy was far worse than our current failure-in-chief's.
I suppose everything is relative. Especially when it comes to the subjective exercise of ranking douche-bags. Bush is worse than Obama who is better than Carter who was worse than Reagan who couldn't hold a candle to Clinton. And the first Bush... don't get me started. That Grover Cleveland guy seemed pretty cool, though.
Some people like chocolate cake. Others prefer white or even yellow. But when they are all baked in the same poisoned pan, I'm not sure ranking them is particularly useful.
But the ranking thing appears to give some people a place to stand. Plus... chicks dig guys who rail on Bush.
It's difficult to see how Bush's foreign policy ranks above our current failure-in-chief's.
I suspect that if Ron Paul were president - I've already voted for the guy twice - there'd be much less incendiary commentary here than currently. Though one has to wonder why, given that our Nobel Peace Prize recipient has exercised more than a little restraint in terms of projecting force.
I'm not disagreeing with you on the Bush vs. Obama vs. Paul cage match. My point, though likely lost in my poor writing style, is that not one of them would make (or could make) a difference. The world is much larger than the hegemonic world of the 1960's. Obama sucks no more or no less than Bush II. Neither can make a significant difference in a world that is rebalancing itself. It's a cycle, and we would do well to accept that and adjust our personal and community behavior accordingly.
Or, we can assign blame to one of the douche-bags and feel that we have done our civic duty.
Perhaps I should have left a sarcasm tag. Or not. Either way, the downvotes are as sweet as the tears I drink from other basement dwelling, food hoarding, two-ounces of gold "stacking" (if any of you actually have $2,600), silver-hoping, apocolyptic-dreaming, Russia-loving, foreign policy experts that populate this site.
You guys are so cool.
I remember how good this site was back in 08 and 09. Now it's overrun by fucktards.
I took a break after working 3 acres to break Tony Wilson's balls for amusement.
The temps are now back in the 80's so I'm going back to work.
It's probably a constant 60 degrees in your mom's basement. Kind of like Carlsbad Caverns. You don't have to worry about the heat.
Keep Stackin'!
breakin my balls listen the last whore to break my balls hadthe ability to lubricate naturally.
you my whore moan replacement therapy friend seem to only get wet when your rabbi husband is slaughtering a kidnapped child.
you gotta try harder fanny.
my advice is take another break or get isaac to dry fuck you betwixt that talmudic sheet.
The war that Bush started is not merely continuing by itself, it is being actively perpetuated and promoted by Obama in the worst possible ways.
does anyone know who did the firing could of been a scot,an irishman an albanian or maybe a jew.
could been a cia,a seal team,an mi6 or sas or a jew.
maybe when the idea is kaos for country carve up solutions are not needed.
maybe kirk or cannucklehead have the truth
come on mules look at the bigger picture init
Two British SAS Officers Dressed Up as Arabs, Drove Around Basra, Iraq in a Car Fitted with Bombs And Shot Iraqi Police in an Effort to Create a Terrorist Event to Prolong The War…http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2012/05/11/flashback-two-british-sa...
For fuck's sake, Tony, if you can't sing a different tune from time to time could you at least change the beat? Your repetetive and pedantic nerblings are becoming like white noise. Annoying white noise. I get it. Zionist, massad, mi6, ISIS is massad, massad is CIA, CIA is ISIS, mi6 is poisoning the ham at Subway, zionists are controlling our minds by tainting the orange bug-juice at McDonalds.
Granted, I'm only writing this because an mi6 zionist jew from massad has an American paid-for M16 pointed at my head from an ISIS stronghold.
Otherwise I'd just tell you that you're a terrible bore.
Tosser.
Oh... I forgot. Talmud.
are you a talmud lover or do you favour the torah bora,
minge nice name for a cock let us assume a victim of Metzitzah B'peh bless you my son.
as for the latest killings cui bono who has form sas,cia mossad yes no.
kurdish israel oil and gas is the new zion one country not good rothschild chatham house says 3 the rabbi says master it will be so.
Love the bold type. It helps to make your point.
I'm sorry I forgot to include the Rotschild meme in my original post. You were right to call me out on that. After a reading a couple dozen of your repetative and rambling posts I sometimes forget some of the details.
I have to take a 5 minute break from this rivoting and engaging conversation, though. I think there is a Bilderberg offshoot gathering in the woods next to my window. I see some folks from the Royal Institute of International Affairs preparing to do something really evil to me.
Foreskin.
a desperate minge that needs to up tick herself nothing worse than a dried out kosher minge oh dear dear : )
I can't really say I know what I am going to say here or why I going to try to say it, whatever it is I'm about to say, let alone if I should say it or not. Probably not, oft in posts past, one not very long ago at all, in fact just last night, I posted a really kind of dumb post which wasn't intended to be taken too seriously but of course given the sort of poople who like to post things here was seemingly of course taken without any grains of salt. Anyways getting back to where I was and what I was about to say. I'll have to pause, perhaps to the relief of some, to try to remember whatever it was I was going to try to say in the first place. I feel I should thank you Tony for your contributions to this constantly interupted but never ending discussion of all the things we discuss here. I find your posts both infuriating and funny, interesting in so far as I am able to comprehend them or at any rate imagine that I do. Your flow of free association words or whatever they are sometimes make me think you're not what you seem, whatever that is I must admit I don't know what if anything you're trying to seem like (that remark begs for a cheap shot doesn't it ?) I wonder if you yourself are secretly working for some three letter agency. Maybe I think he's deliberately making posts full of strange inflamatory stuff to get people to reveal themselves as what they are, so the three letter ones can use that information against them at some later date. I've no doubt at all that everyone of us who post here are on file, there's really little room for doubt in my mind that "they" know everything about each and every one of us. Our real names and passwords and home addresses and bank account numbers and their passwords... the five eyes are competant in that regard at any rate, compromising computer networks is not a big deal, especially when you have the companies that write the code working for you, I doubt there's any encyrption without a backdoor, most likely "they'd" not even need to decprypt but would just be given the keys by someone. Why would "they" need to break down doors when they can just demand the keys ? Anyways.... thanks again for all your efforts to... do whatever it is you are trying to do, if indeed you are trying to do or make any sort of statement outside of the imediate but not always obvious one. I my post in response to yours is not entirely clear and understandable...well.. consider that it is anyway logical sort of that any response you get to one of your posts would be difficult to read through if not totally hard to understand. Unless of course you just imagine you understand as I suspect I sometimes do myself with regard to many things, not just your interesting posts. I thank you. I strongly suspect I'll probably regret this post, probably get some down arrows, maybe I'll even regret it more than the last post I regretted, but I guess even down votes with nasty remarks are better than being ignored, no one wants to be ignored, surely no one who posts stuff all the time and spents hours typing out crap with one finger wants to be ignored. So I guess I'll just take a swig and brace myself against the gale of obsenities about to come.
It is really getting fucked up when you get in more trouble for a Confederate flag then an ISIS one.
There's not a chance in hell that the present leader in Iraq will either step down or share power.The U.S. is seen as supporting Sunni terrorist groups ands wants to end any influence from Iran.The world knows that Saudi Arabia and The United States created ISIL for their own selfish purposes in trying to destroy the present regime in Syria.Look for Russia to now aid Syria with the Mach3 air defence system in order to stop further terrorist financing by America.The U.S. can bomb but it cannot win.Iran will now help the Iraqi Government in order to bog down Americans once again.Iran's plan is to keep Americans spending on their military in the Middleast as long as possible.The plan is to keep having America redirect its budget to the military and not spend it at home on the poor.It is already starting to have an effect at home where you see black Americans that are largely unemployed or working at unskilled low income jobs now revolting and waking up to a corrupt U.S. Fed run government that abuses its own citizens and has Communist China financing its war debt and run down ghettoized cities with no work.Keeping those big Cities like Detroit and St. Louis run down and redirect spending to foreign governments.It's working for Iran because it might take a very long time but the longer it goes on the better.
Obama=Sunni
Valerie Jarett=Sunni
Huma Abedine=Sunni
barry was a mid control product of the cia his mother was cia connected to uk sis.
so either these agencies failed or they are also sunni.
last week did barry not resupply depleted uranium bombs and 500 million to tel aviv.
is tel aviv sunni?
barry has paid plenty tribute to the rabbi if anything he is a wondering yahoo
Well said, incoherent rambler. I hate, more than anything, mid control.
Next to the Emancipation Proclamation we should memorialize this post.
You boring, fucking, tosser.
and you are an english fool a country that has nothing but resource rape.
the probleme is the dried out husk of a minge is a victim herself of sodomical rape.
but she loves it unique among the whores she comes back again and again.
one week you blair
the next george robertson and malcolm rifkind one of your own.
i thought the yahoos did not rape within the tribe?
Wow. Incoherent much?
Tosser.
In all humble honesty, schizophrenia is treatable. I hope you get help before your deluded mindset causes you, our someone else, unjustified harm.
Tosser.
Down vote me, Tony (Bob). But you know I speak the truth. You have schizo-affective disorder and need some help. I would like to help, and I have a foundation funded to help people lke you. But I figure you would rather get your jollies commmenting on ZH. The anonimity is great, and you get to puke your anti-Zionist psychotic BS without any peronal attribution. Good for you, you tosser.
you have to try harder honey my balls have never been in better shape maybe best to get back to your old man upstairs or is he with your daughter bouncy bouncy
Bob, takes some time to form your sentences. You're incoherent.
>> Obama's effort to have Arabs take the lead <<
A clueless effort. Arabs are known for centuries to f*ck up every effort. They can't help it. Every Arab is an island trying to outwit every other Arab. The only way to join them up is by raising a black flag (religion) and go after a weak minority they can easily rout or kill. Lacking personal convictions, when it gets difficult they drop everything and run as recent and not so recent history have shown over and over. They're a sad lot, not to be trusted with any leading role.
Wasn't the plan all along to break Iraq into pieces? Seems that they got what they wanted. 'Stupid Bush' 'Stupid' Obama.
Are they still called catastrophes if they happen all the time?
Now watch the new guy get assassinated.
Obama's 'do nothing stupid' policy looks BRILLIANT compared to Bush 2's policy of forever wars and nation building.
BRILLIANT!
Funny, while NATO tries to give Putin a rectal exam, one of NATO's members has been less than squeky clean with the CIA obviously facilitating things. Very interesting article.
http://www.albawaba.com/news/isis-uk-598566
How to prevent Brits joining ISIS? Close the "Jihadist Highway"It is down the "Jihadist Highway" through Turkey that the foreign fighters have flowed in their thousands over the past three years. Turkey's open border was crucial to sustaining the Sunni armed uprising which arose out of the mostly peaceful anti-government protests of 2011. It has played the same role as the open Pakistan-Afghan border does in sustaining the Taliban. So long as Taliban fighters could retreat back into Pakistan over the 1,500-mile frontier, they could have a safe haven or sanctuary to rest and resupply before returning to the war.
For the first two years of the Syrian civil war, the route of the foreign fighters was unimpeded. According to Iraqi intelligence officials, who interrogated captured fighters, they would arrive at Istanbul or Ankara airports, move to safe houses, then travel freely by car or bus over the border crossing points into Syria. Arms and ammunition for the rebels, mostly paid for by Qatar and private donors in the Gulf, took the same route, the whole supply operation monitored and to a degree orchestrated by the CIA.
Now the actual, more colorful language that WH insiders used was "don't do stupid shit" foreign policy.
Too bad they couldn't follow their own rule, because everything he's done domestic or foreign has been stupid shit!
And we have to live with the result.