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Putin's Chief 'Integration' Advisor Warns "Transition Has Always Come About Through War"

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When we last met Sergei Glazyev, Vladimir Putin's chief 'integration' adviser (who has been regularly featured on these pages in the past (see Putin Adviser Threatens With Dumping US Treasurys, Abandoning Dollar If US Proceeds With Sanctions and Putin Adviser Proposes "Anti-Dollar Alliance" To Halt US Aggression Abroad for two examples) he explained "how the U.S. military and oligarchs are trying to maintain leadership in the global competition with China."

Arguably the best informed man in Russia, his perspective seems important to grasp as he considers:

"The world today is going through a year of overlapping cyclical crises. This is a period when the global economy is changing as the structure that has driven economic growth for 30 years has exhausted itself. The world needs to transition to a new system and transition has always come about through war...

 

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The last elections to the European Parliament showed that all European citizens are not fooled by the fals pro-American, anti-Russian propaganda... and by the constant stream of lies.

 

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In order to avoid the constant threat of foreign asset confiscation, we need to build our own sovereign monetray macro-economic policy."

Full must-watch dialogue below:

 

h/t The Vineyard of the Saker

As Glazyev concluded previously:

To further insulate its economy, Russia should abandon the use of the U.S. dollar as a reserve currency, according to Glazyev. Russia, which international reserves are the world’s fifth-biggest, needs to diversify its holdings to include China’s yuan, India’s rupee and Brazil’s real.  “If a country aspires to reserve status for its currency, it should behave properly, and that isn’t the case today,” Glazyev said.

And this is how Putin sees the world. De-escalation? Good luck.

 

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Sat, 08/23/2014 - 21:36 | 5135743 linniepar
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Unreal how far we've come (or regressed...)

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 21:39 | 5135748 Man Who Was Thursday
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This guy is... so fucking articulate.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 22:04 | 5135805 The Chief
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Very highly educated and obviously a man with sight. Contrast him with the likes of Nuland or Kerry...or, more appropriately, that creature Jarrett. For God's sake, these monsters have eliminated any scrutiny on their deeds by stealing the glasses from at least 2 generations of Americans. They killed education. Meanwhile, "behind the iron curtain", the people that we have been conditioned to hate and think of as stupid are better educated, articulate, and most importantly, CORRECT.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 22:11 | 5135821 LetThemEatRand
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There are plenty of drunk, drug-addicted, stupid Russians too.  Americans want stupid fake leaders, so we have them.  The guys behind the scenes are quite smart.  This is either an oligarch war, or a carefully crafted propaganda campaign.  I don't want Putin ruling me any more than I want BernYellen deciding my fate.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 22:14 | 5135834 markmotive
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Putin is a hero to the Russian people.

Putin on NSA, Syria, Drones, Iran:

http://www.planbeconomics.com/2013/07/putin-talks-nsa-syria-iran-drones-...

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 22:18 | 5135843 LetThemEatRand
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Putin is a fucking thug shirtless former KGB centaur who wants to control with an iron fist and shady elections.  Sad that so many anti-government "folks" on this site see him in a positive light.   Too many people fall for the "enemy of my enemy" idea.  Yes, Putin stands up to the American oligarchs who now control our government (or at least it appears that way).  But that's as far as it goes.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 22:19 | 5135856 Theta_Burn
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Kind of reminds me of..America

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 22:20 | 5135861 LetThemEatRand
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I'm not even convinced that the oligarchs behind Putin are any different from those who have taken over America.  Even if they are different, they are still oligarchs and have no interest in the freedom of their subjects.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 22:26 | 5135879 Theta_Burn
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In the spirit of this thread and Sergei's interview, they are playing our oligarchs like fucking fiddles. not only that, they are right...

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 22:30 | 5135895 LetThemEatRand
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There are no corresponding oligarchs over there?  Even if you assume they are not complicit or the same, there are certainly oligarchs over in them there Russian hills.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 22:42 | 5135936 Theta_Burn
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Never said there wasn't, and again, before any of this Ukraine/Crimea shit nobody complained about Russian business practices, or if there oligarchs are more devious that ours, watch that video again, the guy is 100% spot on.

Russian oligarchs never affected my way life, and never will.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 23:15 | 5136026 Oldwood
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Putin appears very pro Russian. Who's side is Obama on? It sure doesn't feel like it is America. Polling kind of confirms this as well, but the sign of a true tyrant is the indifference to the opinion of his minions.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 23:16 | 5136032 fonzannoon
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you just confirmed you have absolutely no fucking clue about russia, other than what you read here.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 23:20 | 5136045 knukles
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You been sayin' all along that's how it'll "end" Tyler. 
You been sayin', all a long.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 23:59 | 5136136 The Big Ching-aso
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War spelled backwards is Raw. Which is how most of our asses are gonna feel.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 01:01 | 5136249 wee-weed up
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The pussy in the White House is going to get us all killed. Every tin-horned dictator smells his weakness and is licking their chops on what they can do to take advantage before Jan 2017...

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 06:03 | 5136505 Supafly
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He may be a pussy, but he's a delusional trigger happy pussy.  Cross his crazy ass and he makes your country safe.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 09:41 | 5136739 holmes
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Prophetic: Holmes - Liberia - The Hope of the World

We'll both be right, someday.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 12:10 | 5137105 smlbizman
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i call bullshit.....no flags with tassels...no secret service...no teleprompter...no 50 fat fucks in back of  him  sucking his dick.....wtf?...

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 11:09 | 5136781 Keyser
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Hmm, all these down-votes for LetThemEatRand... Makes me wonder if at least half the people on ZH are paying attention... 

Obviously there are some western imperialists lurking in the shadows... 

 

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 13:26 | 5137307 Aaaarghh
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LTER and Fonz are right. There is no choice to be made between Obama/Puppetmasters and the Putin and his cronies. WTF can we do other than watch our western leaders be made fools of. My hope is they all make friends, have dinner and dancing on the respective taxpayers in Davos, along with tptb, all oligarchs, israeli leadership and any other fuckers that need to be there, then nuke the place.....twice.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 12:58 | 5137243 roadhazard
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Actually it's the Next pussy in the White House that is going to get us all killed.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 14:00 | 5137378 barre-de-rire
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if usa elect hilary, i buy a boat & i gtfo to middle of atlantic.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 00:59 | 5136252 Ignatius
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Strong presentation of the geo-political realities by Glaziev.

The Syndicate can't like this - they are naked.

The off-shoring of American Mfg. is proof enough that the US government is not acting in the best interests of even the US citizenry.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 06:53 | 5136502 luckystars
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Americans aren't running this show, those in power are loyal to a foreign nation.

 

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 10:42 | 5136882 Lea
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Believing that a tiny country that's only existed since 1948 is running the whole US shebang is pure WASP paranoid dementia.

And I'm not even Jewish.

 

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 17:51 | 5138126 logicalman
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You need to read a lot more history.

And I'm not even a historian.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 13:54 | 5137365 Toronto Kid
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You may need to provide the crayon explanation (coined on greaterfool.ca by an exasperated former Minister for Revenue Canada). The crayon explanation is an explanation so simplified that you may as well be writing it in crayon.

What I'm seeing in the West are steps taken by governments desperate to evade the unavoidable consequences of decades of fiscal mismanagement; bankruptcy. What I see from the East is a government who has already suffered through the consequences of bankruptcy and would rather not suffer through it again. The East has no intention of joining the West as the West suffers through bankruptcy.

Mr. Putin is an evil frakker, but despite his best efforts to remain an evil frakker, is making the best decisions he can to help his country. Can he be trusted? Hell no. He sits opposite Canada, and if y'alls current President ever gave indication that he'd look the other way, would happily take the northern half of Canada. This is why Obama's current dislike of Canada is so damn worrisome.

What do you see in Putin? I wouldn't mind you posting the crayon explanation, I also wouldn't mind you posting something a great deal more detailed; I want to know your opinion on the matter.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 23:16 | 5136033 LetThemEatRand
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Not you too!  Putin is pro-Russian as Obama is pro-corporation.  The People are not part of the equation. 

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 23:44 | 5136098 tenpanhandle
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How can Putin rule you.  Is he over on our borders supporting La Raza?  At this point, Putin is no threat what-so-ever to you and I.  He is minding his own buisness.  On the contrary, there is no moral equivalency to what the US is doing to Russians and the rest of the world.  Your carefully crafted words smack of disinformation. 

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 23:44 | 5136108 LetThemEatRand
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My carefully crafted words?  So if I say that Putin is another fuckhead-oligarch-controlled douchebag that should be worshipped by not a single person who considers themselves libertarian or even remotely in favor of freedom, I'm carefully crafting my words?   

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 23:53 | 5136126 BobPaulson
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I agree with some of what you say but there are two other things which make US oligarchs more annonying 1) Hypocricy 2) They are more powerful. People seem to like Putin because he is a bit of an underdog on the world scene, even if he is a tyrant locally. People have become so tired of the the George Orwell world in the G7 that they seem like they would route for Mugabe if he took Uncle Scam down a notch.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 00:02 | 5136147 LetThemEatRand
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My point is that they are all tyrants.  We should support none of them.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 00:18 | 5136180 McMolotov
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Putin is simply "less wrong" about the Ukraine mess than the West. That's about as far as it goes.

Yes, it's fun to see our incompetent rulers exposed for what they are. I myself have enjoyed it quite a bit. Who doesn't like watching Barry and Co. squirm in humiliation? That said, people need to stop looking for leaders and start realizing we've reached this point specifically because we've allowed ourselves to be led to this point. That is to say, people have a tendency to look to others to show the way rather than deciding as individuals how to live their lives. History has shown that people apparently like to be told what to do, which is quite sad.

History has also shown fairly convincingly that the vast majority of those who are interested in leading others are complete assholes who are only interested in power. Something to think about.

ZH has plenty of faults, but it has helped me realize I'm a quasi-anarchist, and for that I'm thankful.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 00:53 | 5136242 MEAN BUSINESS
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vast YES but not absolutely...

from Clockwork Angels 2012 RUSH 'The Anarchist'

live with the Clockwork Angels String Ensemble

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 01:15 | 5136266 Terminus C
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This guy openly calls for centralized economic systems and the people here cheer him on because he says the US goverenment are an imperial extension of the British Empire.  He is correct about the imperialism but he essentially wants a highly centralized economy that meets the needs of the state, not the people, he specifically said the demands of the state.

The Russian government is not the friend of freedom loving people in the world.  They are, for now, the enemy of our enemy (assuming this is not political theatre a la 1984).

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 05:54 | 5136491 Lea
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"he essentially wants a highly centralized economy that meets the needs of the state, not the people, he specifically said the demands of the state."

No, that's not what he wants.

You don't get what he says because he's speaking from a view-point Americans have no cultural reference for - and I don't mean he's a Communist or anything of the sort. There are forms of statism you Anglo-saxons have simply no idea about. The closest you could come to understanding what on dear earth the guy is talking about would be the Marshall plan. Still very different, but it would give you a general idea of sorts.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 12:09 | 5137104 Terminus C
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Umm, I have read a lot of Russian history.  Never, and I mean never, in Russian history has there ever been anything is their political systems that consider the rights of the average person.  So, good luck with your rose colored glasses but this guy is calling for dyed in the wool statism.

The Marshall plan was pure economic imperialism, which debt enslaved every nation that accepted it.  So yea, you made my point.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 09:45 | 5136746 holmes
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If the Russian people want an economy run for the benefit of the State and not the people that is their business.

Putin is not trying to impose that system on the USA. Obozo has that job under control.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 12:11 | 5137107 Terminus C
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Hey, I am fine with the Russians wanting what ever they want.  I don't want that shit here, we need to get rid of that type of thinking, not cheer it, wake the fuck up people.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 01:53 | 5136269 edotabin
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Despite being on ZH, which I consider to be at the forefront of exposing the system and the shortcomings/abuses thereof, many appear to selectively apply the knowledge we have all gained. We cannot forget that the banking system is global and the exceptions to this rule are extremely few a this point.  You can count the countries that do not have a central bank on one hand.  Anyone on ZH should know this constitutes the foundation of how the world works. If you control money, you control absolutely everything. This means you control leaders as well.

Putin is proposing a new "alliance" which will offer an alternative to the USD and America. This can be viewed a couple of ways. One way to view this, for example,  is that America and Europe are solidly entrenched in the present system and it is almost unthinkable for them to switch.  By creating a new "alliance" this could be used to further integrate the BRICS while presenting it as the great savior against the Satan. Many shifts have been disguised by political means. As long as the BRICS bank operates on similar principles (fractional reserve/debt based), however,  it is not providing anything new. It only helps to further entrench the BRICS into consumerism and the grow, grow grow mentality that has ruled the west for so long. The west is awash with cars, planes, trains, TVs, cell phones and a long list of other consumer goods. How many more do we need? If we look at the BRICS, the have about 2.5-3 billion people that do not have all this stuff. Barring any new technologies and inventions that can enable growth in the west, it is logical to see capital gravitating east. That is where the "grow, grow, grow" is.

America has been forced to openly "enforce" the global model recently. By disguising it behind politics, it may fool many into willfully going along. Remember how happy everyone was with the European Common Market when it first came out? We all witnessed the the shift from benevolence to "power grab" mostly through debt. This isn't about Russia or America or China. Remember, individual nations be damned. Perhaps ( I repeat PERHAPS) this is a similar move disguised behind yet another political production. In any case, I think it is a bit more complex than PUTIN=Good and West=Bad

I hate to close this way but the way some people are acting is simply, well, simplistic. At this point,  Putin could fart and many would praise him for inventing the latest trend in perfume and that does not pass the smell test.

 

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 09:38 | 5136735 Ignatius
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Some good, coherent thoughts.

What 'we' get from Russia/Putin is, if not a solution, is atleast a competing debt/currency regime.  This is no 'savior complex', but a recognition of sanity - Russia doesn't have to continually lie to make its case, which I see as a plus. The West, of which I am a part, sees this struggle as an 'all or nothing' proposition and so plays the game to sweep the table.  I don't see where a one world regime/hegemonic institution benefits the masses.  On the contrary, I see it as an unchecked disaster.   The competition of regimes and ideas looked at globally, is a plus in my view.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 16:51 | 5137898 edotabin
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Your reply is appreciated and I agree with your reasoning in the sense that they may be an "alternate play" within the confines of the same system.

There are just some very odd occurrences that seem to indicate we are being fed some claptrap.  For example, they close down four McDonald's yet Exxon Mobil is in Russia extracting this ever-precious oil etc. Just seems there is a lot of symbolism at play while the same old stuff is going on behind the scenes.

In any case, our messages are now about a day old so they are ancient history in Internet time. Doubt anyone will read this but thanks again for the exchange.

 

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 17:56 | 5138143 logicalman
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The best thing about ZH is the fact that you can pretty much say what you think.

If you are here for up arrows, you are in the wrong place.

At least you have the opportunity, if you say something that others dislike, to argue your point or refute that of others.

A rare thing in the world in which we are forced to live.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 10:49 | 5136880 fockewulf190
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"History has also shown fairly convincingly that the vast majority of those who are interested in leading others are complete assholes who are only interested in power. Something to think about."

Checking Sergey Glazyev´s wiki-bio seems to show a long history of himself trying to gain such power...which ever way possible.  Interesting was his 2004 campaign:

"During the election, Glazyev portrayed himself as a champion of social justice and an opponent of political corruption, particularly in the form of the Russian oligarchs. He pledged to write the guarantee of a high standard of living into the constitution, provide universal health care and free public education to the masses, triple the minimum wage, protect the rights of trade unions, redistribute the wealth belonging to the oligarchs, and increase economic growth. He also promised to eradicate the notorious Russian Mafia, purge corrupt bureaucrats and members of the police force, and protect the country from terrorism. This platform proved to be moderately popular, and Glazyev received 2,826,641 votes, or 4.1%, third place out of a field of six.

Following the election, Rogozin, who had long sought to remove his rival from party power, succeeded in getting the party rank-and-file to vote Glazyev out as co-chairman, leaving Rogozin in control. This led to Glazyev and his supporters attempting to form their own party, called For a Decent Life, although this, too, suffered a setback when the Ministry of Justice refused to recognize the validity of the party.

Following a split between Rogozin and Sergei Baburin in 2005, Glazyev re-joined the Rodina faction and reconciled with his former political partner. After Rogozin was replaced as party leader by Aleksander Babakov in early 2006, Rodina merged with the Russian Party of Life and the Russian Pensioners' Party in 2006 to create a new party, Fair Russia.

Glazyev announced his retirement from politics in March 2007, and said that he did not intend to seek a further term in the Duma, arguing that Vladimir Putin's rule had crowded out all forms of political opposition and debate in the country.

In July 2012, Putin appointed Glazyev as presidential aide for the coordination of the work of federal agencies in developing the Customs Union of Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Russia.[1]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Glazyev

Looks like if you can´t beat ém, you might as well join ém. 

 

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 14:55 | 5137523 madmax1965
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Well said Mc!  I couldn't agree more!

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 00:12 | 5136165 tenpanhandle
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I am pointing out that it seems you are  are giving equal weight to the the flea that is on the elephants ass as to the elephant itself that has its enormous foot on yers and my neck as well as the entirety of the world.  The fucking flea is not the issue and to harp on the flea seems diversionary.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 01:15 | 5136267 Slave
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Yeah, I'm guessing that Rand still hasn't unplugged the TV.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 02:20 | 5136374 LetThemEatRand
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You mean RT?  Man.  I'm blown away by all the people here who want to blow Vladmir.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 02:41 | 5136378 Slave
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I don't necessarily agree with ALL of the Putin love, but I can understand why they currently look up to Russia more than the US. I can't remember the last time the US did anything right, and Russia is pissing in our Cheerios daily, and sometimes for the right reasons. At least that puts a smile on my face.

You and a couple other people in this thread are blowing the Putin love a bit out of proportion. It is not absolute, but apparently your hatred for Putin is, which suggests brainwashing. But it's okay Rand, you'll sober up soon.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 08:39 | 5136636 Harbanger
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Lola.  I gave you a +1 cause I felt sorry for you.  See what you started?

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 08:48 | 5136642 Greenskeeper_Carl
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reading some of this last night, i thought i had drunkenly stumbled on RT. what a bunch of sellouts. Libertarians, my ass.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 09:02 | 5136666 Harbanger
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I laugh when people say ZH is full of right wingers and libertarians, nothing is further from the truth. I know because I like to push peoples buttons on controversial subjects.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 10:00 | 5136784 holmes
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This isn't about loving Putin. This is about anger at the way our own Country is interfering in the affairs of other Countries to the detriment of those Countries. Our leaders are pissing all over the Constitution. Who wouldn't be angry at that. When someone like Putin comes along and stands up to scum in the White House and the neo-cons, why shouldn't we cheer him on. Putin's own people love him. If he's a tyrant that is their business.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 12:04 | 5137089 El Vaquero
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I admit to feeling a perverse pleasure watching Putin slaps our assholes down, but we should be careful who we cheer on and why.  We have put Putin into the position where the most damage he can do to us is to play things straight.  Think about that for a second.  How would Putin react if we were to act with integrity and start jamming up his ambitions?  On top of that, there are multiple narritives coming out regarding his ambitions, making him somewhat of an enigma.  Good for him for throwing a wooden sabot into the gears of our mechanizations in Ukraine, but what is his endgame?  Are we going to be happy with it?  He is an unapolagetic statist.  While Russia has suffered men far worse than Putin has thus far proven himself to be, he's not exactly an advocate of the kind liberty espoused on here:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pussy_Riot

(While they're idiots, it is, IMO, best to let them show everybody that they're idiots rather than throwing them into the clank.)

I think that some people see in Putin a strong, intellegent leader, and that he does seem to be.  I think that when they see this, they get jealous and lose their objectiveness.  When it comes to things like Ukraine, I am on my own side, and that is me advocating that the US quit meddling in that which is not our business.  That does not mean that I consider Putin an ally or a friend, merely that our interests align. 

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 04:53 | 5136473 daemon
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" Russian oligarchs never affected my way life, and never will. "

Are you sure of that ?

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 22:51 | 5135960 jeff montanye
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especially given their respective historical experiences, i'd say, internationally speaking, ussr/russia has acted with greater restraint and humanity, and with a far better sense of proportion regarding the actual risks of foreign threats, than has the u.s. in the period since the bolshevik revolution.

 

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 22:54 | 5135972 LetThemEatRand
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I don't subscribe to the "pick shit sandwich or douchebag" model of the universe.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 23:07 | 5135998 nmewn
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Man, whats the world coming to, I agree with Rand.

So the ZH choices are, the angelic Putin or the Messianic Obama?

What a fucking joke.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 23:08 | 5136008 fonzannoon
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the ultimate irony nmewn. the place sold out for the almighty dollar. i bet they don't get paid in rubles.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 23:11 | 5136018 nmewn
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Fucking unreal fonz, I've noticed it too.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 01:17 | 5136273 Terminus C
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slowly over the past two years, but more rapidly over the last year.

Economic news has taken second fiddle to propaganda, mostly, but not exclusively, Russian.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 08:23 | 5136614 nmewn
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True.

I understand the original Tyler was more "eastern" than I. I accepted that for what it was, the conditioning to be more receptive to the strongman form of governance.

But this glorification of Putin lately is waaay over the top.

There's not a dimes worth of difference between Putin & Obama, loot and steal as much as you can, while you can and make flowery speeches about unity and "progress" toward some nationalist utopia. I fully expect Obama's palace to be built right beside Putins on the Black Sea or perhaps Maaahthaaah's Veeenyard.

Title held in trust for him by his cronies, naturally ;-)

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 08:57 | 5136653 Greenskeeper_Carl
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Ya, ive read there are many people who post as 'tyler durden' but Dan ivanjeski, the original tyler, seems to be running this show into a very pro putin direction. As ive said, I understand most on here, and all over the world for that matter, despise this administration, as well as the last one, but that doesn't mean we need to turn another authoritarian thug like putin into the savior of the world. Its getting pathetic

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 09:38 | 5136734 nmewn
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If Putin is the answer, it had to be a pretty dumbass question.

I've never had a problem with the Russian people, for the most part I would say they are like any other people on the planet, they just want to live & leave their children a little better off than they themselves were.

Its the thieving bastards at the top that we point out constantly everywhere and when we point at Putin some want to stick their fingers in their ears and scream lalalalalalala...can't hear you!!!

Its ridiculous.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 12:58 | 5137242 Bay of Pigs
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Dan Ivanjeski is most likely long gone. None of the original Tylers would have ever put up with a "racial discrimination" policy and censor posts.

Lots of trolls, pussies and cowards populate these threads now. Sad but true. 

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 23:12 | 5136016 LetThemEatRand
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Nmewen -- we both enjoy ragging on each other, but when it comes to this kind of shit I know we're on the same page.  

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 23:13 | 5136024 nmewn
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We are.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 23:22 | 5136051 knukles
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There're a few... a very very few of us left here that are still sane. 
The place has been taken over by the inmates.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 23:28 | 5136062 LetThemEatRand
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Shotgun on the drinking fountain.  Or should I say bow and arrow on the drinking fountain.  Either way, it's mine.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 23:30 | 5136072 nmewn
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It takes a certain amount of insane curiosity to hang around here anymore doesn't it? ;-)

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 23:57 | 5136132 tenpanhandle
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In the past, I have largely agreed with you nmewn and largely laughed as well as commiserated with pinhead.. I mean Knuckles.  With Rand it was a love/hate relationship with more hate than love.  At the present, I am just hoping not to get splattered with Jizz while I am witnessing a circle jerk.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 00:01 | 5136142 nmewn
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If you don't put yourself in the middle of the circle, you have no need to worry ;-)

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 00:16 | 5136175 tenpanhandle
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Well said .  I am backing away slowly with my hand covering my ass.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 00:47 | 5136228 nmewn
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lol...you don't have to worry about me in that regard.

Its exit only.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 13:04 | 5137257 Aaaarghh
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well for my part, it isnt putin worship or even that i like the guy. I just enjoy watching him making our western leaders look inadequate. I dont want him to replace anyone or anything. That needs to be a much better system with the main things being transparency, honesty and oversight. After the puppetmasters in the shadows have been eliminated ofc.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 13:50 | 5137354 tenpanhandle
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I'm not worried nmewn, just having a little fun.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 01:11 | 5136263 Sashko89
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you guys dislike putin, because deep down, you still have that western anti Russian propaganda in you, on a subconscious level, and you can't change your perceptions that putin might actually be an honorable man.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 01:19 | 5136275 Terminus C
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LOL

ROTFLMAO

You sir, need to take a pill... the red pill.

Take two and call me in the morning.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 08:28 | 5136624 nmewn
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Coercion, rank cronyism and naked aggression are now honorable things to aspire to?

Mmmkay.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 08:29 | 5136625 unrulian
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Putin an Honorable man?? wtf, is going on here? granted he has gained some respect in this political checkers match but to call him honorable may be stretching it a bit. Please name one world leader that is honorable and i'll eat all the checkers and the board.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 11:09 | 5136948 fockewulf190
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The Pope.  Want some salt with those checkers?

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 09:02 | 5136665 Greenskeeper_Carl
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'still have that western anti russian propaganda in you"

Please, as if all we have seen on here these past couple months is anything less than pro putin propaganda. Propaganda that you are very clearly buying into. Ill say this again" I am pro individual liberty and sound money. Let me know when putin starts working towards either of those things. Until then he is just another statist authoritarian

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 12:24 | 5137151 Terminus C
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He's from the Russian .gov internet information management unit.  They were a little late to the party over here but they are here now.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 23:12 | 5136019 Greenskeeper_Carl
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i just made what i thought was a well thought out post below, but you just said what took me an entire paragraph to describe in one short sentence. well played...

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 22:52 | 5135962 GooseShtepping Moron
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Putin corralled the oligarchs and the only ones he rules with an iron fist are precisely them (who in their shortsighted dive for profit would have sold Russian national interests out to the highest bidder). Khodorkovsky didn't get sent to prison for spitting on the sidewalk, you know.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 23:16 | 5136030 nmewn
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By corralling, do you mean Gazprom, RT or what?

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 23:17 | 5136036 GooseShtepping Moron
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Yes.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 23:27 | 5136064 nmewn
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The government (meaning Putin by any practical measure) owns Gazprom and RT etc.

You sayin this is "corralled"? 

Have you ever heard of the word patronage and what it means?

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 23:42 | 5136101 GooseShtepping Moron
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I don't think we're on the same page here.

What I'm saying is, Putin runs the large energy companies and many of Russia's other industrial concerns, but he does so as a nationalist, holding the entire system in trust for the posterity of Russia, and making sure that neither Russia's crony capitalists (oligarchs) nor foreign interests control Russia's destiny.

I suppose this is something akin to fascism, but it is a good kind of fascism. Call it "Fascism the White," because it is facsism as it should have been. Even better, call it Mussolini-ism before it was corrupted by National Socialism.

Americans do not understand that some men pursue power not for their own selfish interests but for the greater good. Americans do not understand this because they are all of the former sort and Putin is of the latter.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 23:48 | 5136116 LetThemEatRand
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I hope Putin nationalizes your ass in one of his camps.  Watch out, though, because centaurs (reportedly) are well endowed.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 00:26 | 5136198 JustTheTTIP
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Rand.

What I do not quite understand is:

 

Haven't you seen the "democratic free for all" in Russia during the 90s? Surely if you are posting here you are in the know about the lawlessness during this period.

 

You do not make a single mention of these times ,,, it went as far as Yeltsin wanting to sell back chunks of Russia to Finnland.,, when everything was up for sale.. whole strategic production facilities in Russia were owned by foreign entities over night. 

 

Quite frankly I do not see your point on how Putins strategic nationalisation of Russian assets doesn't benefit the local populus. 

 

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 01:32 | 5136301 LetThemEatRand
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Simple question to answer yours:  what is Putin worth in dollars, Rubles, gold or whatever?  

And one follow up:  how did he get that much?

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 06:18 | 5136515 luckystars
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Envy is a powerful emotion.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 09:12 | 5136681 Greenskeeper_Carl
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this has nothing to d owith envy of putin or his wealth. All we have been trying to do, whih would be obvious if you actually read the rest of this thread or had two brain cells to rub together. Im getting sick of saying it, but here goes: all we have been trying to point out is that this hero worship of putin from a crowd who claims to be libertarian/minarchist/anarchists is laughable and pathetic. You can be amused as putin makes western leaders look foolish, bcause it IS amusing. But don't believe that just becuase he is outsmarting the obama regime, he is some kind of russian ron paul or friend of liberty. He isnt

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 12:27 | 5137157 Terminus C
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The state of denial on these forums makes it really obvious that we have moved to HuffPo East.

I'll start it off...

Fuck Putin.

Fuck Obama.

Fuck oligarchs and those that suck their cocks for wealth and power.

 

 

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 07:27 | 5136560 negative rates
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It was said by Hollywood, of the second coming of Christ, that first off they would be scared to death of his arrival, and secondly, no one would ever ask him where he got his money from. 

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 07:51 | 5136585 Sandmann
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Ah Hollywwod and Jesus, as Mel Gibson would say.....

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 08:31 | 5136631 nmewn
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Simple question to answer yours:  what is Putin worth in dollars, Rubles, gold or whatever?  

And one follow up:  how did he get that much?

The silence is absolutely deafening ;-)

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 12:28 | 5137161 Terminus C
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Lots of downvotes though...

Cowards and sycophants all...

 

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 12:55 | 5137233 nmewn
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Apparently a knife in the back is considered by Putin lovers to be "honorable", what does that tell ya...lol.

Cowards.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 08:53 | 5136648 Razor_Edge
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I'm pissed at all these people alleging without a shred of supporting evidence that Putin has billions stashed away dishonestly and accuing him of being a thug. If you have something to say about him, back it up with something provable or STFU.

All I know is that before Putin, with the drunk Yeltsin in power, the Oligarchs bought out Russias state assets for pennies on the ruble, enabled by the drunk. Meanwhile, the people of Russia were on the verge of starvation; the whole country was in freefall. Contrast that with what has happened since Putins elevation to leadership.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-08/rise-bear-18-signs-russia-rapid...

On the international stage, Putin has been the only brake on US insane hubris, and as for Ukraine, would the US tolerate say China supporting the overthrow of a democratically elected leader in Cananda or Mexico in order to instal a puppet regime that could be used militarily to the disadvantage of the US? Would it hell, we would be looking over the precipice at Armageddom, which may be exactly where we are over this insanity in Ukraine. Let's get real here, Russia has vital interests in Ukraine, a land that was by Hitler and Napoleon as a gateway to attack Russia. As the decider in chief said, fool me once, uhhhh , uhhhhh, uhhhhhh, ain't gonna happen agin.

What i'm seeing in Putin, campared to his western counterparts, and indeed Lavrov compared to his western counterparts, are giants bestriding the world stage like collossi! I saw an interview with Dr Bouthaina Shaaban, an adviser to Pres. Bashar al Assad last night and indeed I saw her interviewed before, perhaps a year ago. These people, compared to their western counterparts, and paragons of reason and professionalism while the horse faces and little williams splutter transparent lies and war mongering and little esle. No wonder the western world is in crisis, the corruption has reached all levels, including apparently the diplomatic services. Its only a matter of time before the fall of the western stinkingly corrupt elites and the collapse of our societies. The only question is how soon.

 

But to get back to the point re Putin's billions, Putin being a thug etc  - put up or shut up!!!

 

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 09:21 | 5136700 nmewn
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How much do you want?

"What is perhaps the most brazen example of Russian rot exists right in Sochi: a sprawling Italian-style palace on the Black Sea coast owned by none other than Putin. As The Washington Post's David Ignatius first detailed back in 2010 in an exposé made possible by Putin's onetime business partner-turned-whistle-blower Sergei Kolesnikov, the $1 billion monstrosity — paid for by the diversion of commercial profits — is nothing less than a "21st century czar's palace." It is also a monument to the corrupt business practices that have come to define modern Russia.

Journalists now have their hands full covering the latest exploits of German luge racers and Norwegian cross-country skiers. But before we lower the curtain on Sochi, perhaps some intrepid reporters might make time to pay a visit to Putin's nearby Sochi palace. The story that they find there is liable to tell the world a great deal more about today's — and tomorrow's — Russia than the Olympic proceedings ever could."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/02/20/putin-olympics-sochi-corruption-russia-column/5655815/

And don't let "ownership" fool you, Alexander Ponomarenko and Nikolai Shamalov are his cronies.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 11:32 | 5137011 Razor_Edge
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Well  if it says it in USA today, then it must be true. Interesting that the USA today article quotes as its source the institute of modern Russia, or imrussia.org. On that website re about us;

The Institute of Modern Russia (IMR) is a nonprofit, nonpartisan public policy organization—a think tank—with offices in New York and Washington DC. IMR's mission is to foster democratic and economic development in Russia through research, advocacy, public events, and grant-making. We are committed to strengthening respect for human rights, the rule of law, and civil society in Russia. Our goal is to promote a principles-based approach to US-Russia relations and Russia's integration into the community of democracies.

IMR is a federal tax-exempt Section 501(c)(3) public charity, incorporated in New Jersey.

A Banner below the title banner -"Patriotism? A project by Misha FriedMAN and IMR". I wonder if it has much else in common with all these neo-con think-tanks based in NY and Washington DC? Imagine, a US based think tank about Russia and all of its ills? who'd a thunk? Must be true eh?

Is that all you've really got?

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 12:30 | 5137169 Terminus C
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Do you deny the palace exists?

Do you deny that Putin is not an oligarch?  Prove it?  Nmewn has provided evidence with a link, your turn.

Put up or STFU.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 13:04 | 5137259 nmewn
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Its the same old-same old Terminus.

Proof of theft is asked for, someone provides that proof and the proof is said not to be proof at all, even though the proof is the visible fact that the kid is standing there, with their hand stuck in the cookie jar because they won't let go of half the cookies in their hand and just take one and be long gone...lol.

Its like talking to third graders sometimes.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 23:58 | 5136134 nmewn
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You named yourself well.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 00:41 | 5136220 bitterwolf
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so did you numbnutts

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 00:49 | 5136236 nmewn
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What does mine mean to you, my subservient little Hitler Youth wannabe?

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 00:10 | 5136162 Matt
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"What I'm saying is, Putin runs the large energy companies and many of Russia's other industrial concerns, but he does so as a nationalist, holding the entire system in trust for the posterity of Russia, and making sure that neither Russia's crony capitalists (oligarchs) nor foreign interests control Russia's destiny."

Putin IS an Oligarch, one of the richest men in the world. That's the difference, over here we have pawns that sit in positions of power while the oligarchs are elsewhere, there the biggest oligarch is the most visible person.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 00:16 | 5136177 nmewn
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He named himself well.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 00:30 | 5136206 laomei
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I'm sorry, but you are incredibly wrong. When you privatize everything and link corporate interests to national interests along with giving those industrial leaders a strong voice in the government so as to align directions... this is fascism.

 

When you are nationalizing institutions so as to control them better and make them benefit the national interest and prevent foreign interests from corrupting the benefit to the general public... this is communism.

 

In fact, this issue right here just so happens to be the MAJOR divide between communism and fascism which put them at each others throats.

 

What Putin has done is consolidate when possible and reel in the oligarchs to FORCE them to align to public and national interest, those who do not agree get a boot up the ass.  It's nationalization by a different name and is still good old communism versus the fascism of the EU and the US.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 00:59 | 5136251 nmewn
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"What Putin has done is consolidate when possible and reel in the oligarchs to FORCE them to align to public and national interest, those who do not agree get a boot up the ass.  It's nationalization by a different name and is still good old communism versus the fascism of the EU and the US."

No, what Putin has done is refine dictatorship/monarchy. Of course, he never knew or appreciated western historical precepts of law (the Magna Carta for example) to allow for anything but top-down centralized control from Moscow of local citizens.

Its all he ever knew.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 06:15 | 5136506 Lea
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"When you are nationalizing institutions so as to control them better and make them benefit the national interest and prevent foreign interests from corrupting the benefit to the general public... this is communism."

No, the nationalization of key institutions to allow oversight and stop corruption is not Communism.

Quote, "Communism: any economic theory or system based on the ownership of all property by the community as a whole"

http://www.yourdictionary.com/communism

Communism, an Anglo-saxon definition: spook word designed to discourage the people from demanding any oversight of the crony capitalism that rules them.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 06:13 | 5136498 Lea
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"Americans do not understand that some men pursue power not for their own selfish interests but for the greater good. Americans do not understand this because they are all of the former sort and Putin is of the latter."

That is spot on. If you take the motto "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness", where does it mention the common greater good? America is built on individualism, which means every man for himself. That's why there are notions they simply cannot grasp, or won't be able to believe in. It's a matter of differing cultures.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 11:35 | 5137018 Divine
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Theta Burn, many russian/former soviet business people earned their wings under soviet control which tried to supress free market. They are very informed and tough people who have gone trough a LOT of shit. It was damn wild wild east back then. Then theres the whole mafia/brotherhood complex which has a stake on many companies operation in former ussr area. 

 

When soviet union went down, western money interests invested a shitload of money on some oligarch's who then bought the shares of the formerly national companies. The shares had been shared to the population but the population didnt have currency so they were easy prey for predatory schemes. Some of the people, who were west made billionaires have since been taken down by current regime. Thus Hagues ruling of several billion dollars in fines for jailing Mihail Hodorkovski.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 22:22 | 5135870 fonzannoon
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no he is a good guy. just misunderstood.we need him.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 23:19 | 5136035 Money Squid
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Aaaaaaa Fonzy

George W. Bush said "I looked the man [Putin] in the eye. I found him to be very straight forward and trustworthy and we had a very good dialogue. "I was able to get a sense of his soul."

So we are ok. Why all the concern from the other hedgies? We need Putin to balance the thugs. You know like Biggie and Tupac. Allllliiiiight.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 23:30 | 5136070 TungstenBars
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He is misunderstood because there are countless lies spread about him and "how evil he is".

 

Truth is he is strong and smart enough for TPTB here to fear him enough to spread disinfo onto us about the guy

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 23:30 | 5136071 TungstenBars
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.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 23:30 | 5136074 Tabarnaque
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This is one of the best interviews I have listened to in a long time. Thanks to ZeroHedge for posting it.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 22:31 | 5135898 Socratic Dog
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Sad that the "former KGB" label keeps getting thrown around.  Let me remind you, Bush Senior was CIA head and likely involved in the assassination of Kennedy.  Bush junior, Clinton, and Obama all likely have CIA ties.  Bush Junior covered up the 911 conspiracy, even if he wasn't involved before the event, and Obama has continued the coverup, of an obvious inside job.  Johnson, at the least, led the coverup of the murder of his predecessor (making him equally guilty as the triggermen) and likely conspired before the event.  And that murder was of the last"good" president this country had, or likely will ever have.  "Good" as in daring to move against TPTB.  We've been effectively ruled by the shadow gevernment since.

Against that....Putin was a mid-level KGB man.  Jesus Rand, think that one through.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 22:35 | 5135912 williambanzai7
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Yes, that kind of slur is the mark of a simpleton.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 22:43 | 5135938 angel_of_joy
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His nicknames says it all. He picks a fight with a dead woman, who never did anything wrong to him, just because he doesn't like her thinking. Your typical pseudo-intelectual modern American at work. Boy, don't we deserve what's coming to us...

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 22:48 | 5135947 LetThemEatRand
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Jesus, Banzai?  Seriously?  It doesn't matter that he was fucking KGB?  Our assholes who are former CIA are destroying our country, and we should support their assholes who are former KGB?  Love you man, but you are dead wrong on this issue.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 22:51 | 5135954 fonzannoon
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He knows the deal LTER. you don't bite the hand...he and limerick dick can have this place. fucking sellouts all of em.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 22:56 | 5135976 LetThemEatRand
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I'm with you my friend.  They can have their other oligarch controlled King.  So that's what this site was about?  Pick your King?  

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 22:59 | 5135984 fonzannoon
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it's the libertarian way...

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 01:41 | 5136320 Bunders
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This is a sincere question, what's the alternative at this stage in the game? Assuming the present system is a direct consequence of human nature and historical circumstance, what system can "the slaves" participate in to disintermediate the kings? Be they the kings of Moscow, Washington, Vatican City, London or wherever else. Given that the majority of the population of the world has to pay national currency denominated tax to "their" government for the privilege of existing on the surface of the country of their birth and they need a passport to leave. Everyone join the Amish? If you could point me to some resource or other I'd be much obliged.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 02:04 | 5136356 LetThemEatRand
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The U.S. Constitution.  It has been pissed on and even shit on.  And right now it is locked in a safe at Goldman Sachs.  But it's the model.  And it didn't come free.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 23:09 | 5135996 TeamDepends
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Amen. Do any of you know her real name? She was a joo selling logic (hers) over compassion, and materialism- Do what thou wilt! Another Utopian.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 23:23 | 5136054 Greenskeeper_Carl
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the mark of a simpleton is assuming that when one says the KGB=bad, they are also saying CIA=good. expected better from you.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 23:37 | 5136088 fonzannoon
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the mark of a simpleton is a hit and run comment. i have been waiting an hour for wb7 to pipe up so i can smack him in the face with my cock. but he did not stick around. too bad. 

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 07:29 | 5136564 negative rates
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The same kind of simpletons  that you hang out with huh?

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 22:43 | 5135937 Greenskeeper_Carl
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you are implying that he was defending either of the Bush's. He wasnt. I don;t mean to put words in the mouth of another poster, but i would think he would apply that same logic to the bush family as well. You act like criticizing Putin is the same thing as defending bush. Come on, people. For an allegedly freedom loving crowd, most of whom claim to have been ron paul types, you are getting pretty defensive about putin. I would say that anyone who was a mid or high level appointee at an intelligence agency of ANY country probably isnt to be trusted.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 22:46 | 5135950 LetThemEatRand
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I could not have said it better.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 22:52 | 5135963 TeamDepends
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Putin is a shapeshifter like the rest of 'em. Shit, is this thing o

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 22:54 | 5135970 trulz4lulz
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So that applies to our entire political class! The Bushes have been CIA since Prescott sold steel to the Nazis prior to WW2. Then there is Obombya, who was an asset for "Business International Corporation" in Pakistan in the early 80's. "BIC" is  konwn weapons/heroin trafficking cover for the CIA and was a front to get weapons to Al-CiaDuh during the Russian invasion of Afghanistan.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 23:59 | 5136139 cape_royds
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Given the world as it is in our time, balance of power has never looked better.

When it comes to the current round of world conflicts, I find myself more often than not agreeing with the Russian gov't's point of view.

Putin's not my friend. So what? I'm not asking him to be my friend.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 01:14 | 5136257 Kirk2NCC1701
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@LTER: "Putin is a fucking thug shirtless..."

I'll resist calling you names, and focus on facts and moving the dialog along.  After considerable research and mulling things over, I have concluded that Putin represents what we USED to have in the US and the West: Leaders, whose version of Christianity did not reduce them to malleable fools, who sold out their Nation or Race to "Alien Influences".

To my detriment (in having annoyed/angered) many a "Christian" ZHer, I have commented many times that our version of "Christianity" has been totally compromised, co-opted, and bastardized, and that we have ourselves and our leadership to blame far more than the Invasive Species.  We need to take ownership of our own crap and our own failures first.    Since the hippie of the 1960s, the culture of a Hippie Jesus has pervaded our politics, where American Christianity has devolved to a "Religion for Subjugated Peasants".  I refer, of course, to specific NT passages that keep being played like on a bad 8-Track:  "Turn the other cheek... Blessed are the meek, the poor..." bla, bla, bla.

This mentality of Serfs and Slaves has made all to many into soft-hearted and soft-headed Leftist Liberals.  Alas the indignant and angry Jesus is never played:  The Jesus who overturned the tables of the Money Changers, which is the modern-day equivalent of attacking The Fed.  As a nation, as a religion, "Christianity" in the US has become useless in defending the populace against more aggressive, more virulent forms of "religion" (activist Judaism and activist Islam).

Putin, by contrast, has decided to be that Lone Hero to defend His People, to defend His Nation -- and in doing so -- to defend His Tribe, his Race.   To which I can only say:  BRAVO!  I have total "leadership envy", given what passes for "leadership" in the US, Canada, UK, Australia, and most of the EU. 

Mr. Putin, keep defending your people, their values and their faith with... "extreme loyalty and unabashed prejudice!"  And fuck the NWO Zio-Cons  and their 'Manifest Destiny 2.0'.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 02:11 | 5136293 LetThemEatRand
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I thought the tribe was diskiked here.  Oh, the other tribe.  And your tribe is okay.  And the fact that Putin was KGB does not matter, because he speaks to your tribe.  Got it.

Kirk, I thought you got the whole non-tribe thing.  Too much TV I guess.   But you should really change your user name.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 05:13 | 5136482 Kirk2NCC1701
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In this context, I simply mean "to each his own Tribe"... as in "be true to your own kind".  If THE Tribe of (Self-)Chosen ones can be chauvinistically true to each other (and brag about it openly in the MSM), then so can EVERYONE else -- including people of European roots and Christian persuasion.  If being Jewish is good, or being Hispanic, Black or Asian is good, then so is being White.  Yet I see too many bloody apologize about it, and it disgusts me.  Replacing one kind of injustice with another one solves nothing.

I see Putin looking after "his own", but do not see our Western or US leaders doing likewise -- and that is my whole point.  Does that clear it up for you?

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 07:18 | 5136557 negative rates
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Yet you just want to control with some iron knuckles.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 08:45 | 5136612 The Wizard
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10-4 on this statement:

Sad that so many anti-government "folks" on this site see him in a positive light.  Too many people fall for the "enemy of my enemy" idea.

It shouldn't be too difficult and take a rocket scientist to separate a central planner from one who is attempting to devise a system to allow free markets to control. Oligarchs are oligarchs and it does appear Russia has more sensible oligarchs. However, I never discount the idea that Russian oligarchs are doing central planning with the West elitists and realize fear is the most effective variable in central planning and control.

Only a few know what goes on behind The Wizards curtain. We may not be far off from having your wish of having Russian oligarchs do the planning for you. Who knows, they may already be doing it.

For all of you centrists out there go back and study the quotes of the true founders of this country called America.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 10:14 | 5136817 'argar the 'orrible
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You are of course entitled to your own opinion, but your are in my opinion, wrong. Take the America Forever, blinkers from your eyes and see both sides of the story, I am not American, but have relations living there, and they are not happy with the way events are turning out. It is the US government that is the problem, they seem to think they are 'masters of the universe' and can invade and slaughter any number of people they don't like. My government is also complicit and I wish they were not.  Has it not accured to anyone in Europe that a shooting war with Russia will bring death and destruction in minutes, whilst in the USA the warmongers will have time to escape to their fallout shelters, leaving you the majority, to face the music.  Quote. A politician is someone who wants you, to die for their country.

Good luck with your trolling.

 

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 13:10 | 5137266 scrappy
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I am with you - Letthemeatrand.

The goal in my mind is to actually - really - free the world.

It's the 21st Century Folks, we (the human race) need to grow up.

We will all be better off and can begin a new era.

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 22:25 | 5135874 Greenskeeper_Carl
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ha true story. too many on here are caught up in the putin-worship. they also don't seem to understand that you can be amused at how stupid putin is making western govts look, while at the same time recognize putin for the authoritarian that he is. You don't have to choose between them, just because you dont like one, doesnt mean you have to love the other. everyone, keep that in mind

Sat, 08/23/2014 - 22:44 | 5135945 angel_of_joy
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It doesn't matter what WE think about him. He is THEIR guy, and they do like him...

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