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Ukraine Humanitarian Aid Convoy Returns To Russia
So much ado for nothing.
Following nearly 2 weeks of artificial tension and fake selloffs that brought the S&P within a fraction of 2000 only for Yellen to "not be Dovish" enough and spoil the party, with the first red Jackson Hole close in 5 years, the Russian "humanitarian" convoy which the objective media led everyone to believe was a Trojan horse just itching to launch a war in Ukraine, has left Ukraine after delivering its cargo.
According to Reuters, a total of 184 vehicles from the Russian aid convoy which approached the Ukraine border on August 14 and only crossed into Ukraine on Friday "without permission", in a move which Ukraine first derided as a Direct Invasion then once again quickly changed its tune and admitted it had given it permission to enter to "avoid confrontations" have returned to Russia, citing a Ukrainian military spokesman said.
"According to our information as of 1 p.m. (1000 GMT), the departure from the territory of Ukraine by 184 Russian vehicles has been confirmed," the spokesman, Andriy Lysenko, told Reuters.
He said they had left through the same crossing point by which they had entered via the Ukrainian border settlement of Izvaryne. No checks by Ukrainian border guards or customs officers had taken place.
Asked how many Russian vehicles still remained in Ukraine, he replied: "I don't know."
Nothing quite like being on top of things: perhaps the CIA is no longer sharing its data with the Kiev regime?
Furthermore, considering Ukraine's government has been in a constant state of propaganda dissemination from the beginning, a matching and probably more credible source of information in this disinformation war is the Russian foreign ministry, which confirmed that the humanitarian aid has been delivered to the besieged city of Lugansk in eastern Ukraine. Meanwhile all trucks that delivered aid had returned to Russia.
“We express our satisfaction that the Russian humanitarian aid for those in need in southeastern Ukraine has been delivered as intended. We were motivated only by the goal of helping civilian citizens in need,” the statement read.
All trucks have returned empty, Ukrainian and Russian border guards confirmed, Russian Deputy Emergency Minister Eduard Chizhikov said.
“There were 227 trucks in the humanitarian operation participating in the operation, and they have all returned. All those vehicles have been searched by the representatives of the customs and border control, both on the Ukrainian and Russian side. No issues have been pointed out. All vehicles were empty upon returning, and the media representatives checked that, too, while they were filming the search,” Chizhikov stated.
But the endless drama...
The Foreign Ministry also said that they were “getting a lot of feedback from the residents of Lugansk, who were thankful for such a good attitude from the Russian part.”
A clip of the eastern Ukraine locals greeting the Russian convoy:
And perhaps in even more amusing news, Russia not only reacted to the latest "lie" out of NATO's Rasmussen, hell bent on finding the pretext to deliver even more NATO forces on the border with Russia, but said that it no longer pays attention to what he says:
Russia’s Defense Ministry has denied “another portion of accusations” by representatives of NATO against Russia. The latest claims include allegations that Russia directly involved its military and heavy weaponry in fighting on the Ukrainian territory.
“We’ve stopped paying attention to Mr. Rasmussen’s empty talk and his press secretary. There is no point commenting on them. There is no proof there except Twitter,” official representative of Russia’s Defense Ministry Igor Konashenkov stated.
“I would like to remind you that the official powers of Mr. Rasmussen ended on July 31, and today he’s acting not so much for the alliance, but as the organizer of the September 4 NATO summit in Wales. We understand that his prospects will depend on the promotion of that event,” the statement also said.
This is the same NATO that condemned the delivery of aid to a population stuck in the middle of the Ukraine civil war, which according to the red cross itself said was living in abysmal conditions, without water or power. The same population that once again just got that much closer to aligning with Russia in lieu of a Kiev government that has declared war on it. Lugansk residents have already expressed hope that Russia will provide more humanitarian aid in the future, first vice premier of the Lugansk People’s Republic Vasily Nikitin told RIA Novosti. “We don’t have any food left, and we hope that Russia won’t leave us in this situation and these humanitarian convoys containing food will become commonplace. We hope for the help, and we need it,” Nikitin stated.
The simplest way this would happen, of course, is when the Donetsk republic follows in the steps of Crimea is annexed by Russia. However, with massive shale gas deposits located under the region, and with Hunter Biden director of a company that is quite eager to extract said shale gas, there is no way this region is going without a fight, one in which NATO is a key member.
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Ok we get it. Russia good, America bad.
since when spreading freedom and democracy is bad?
Ps I thought the convoy was stopped and destroyed last week. What ever happend to that news?
That was last weeks lies.
This weeks lies are the ones you are to embrace as the truth.
Until next week's lies are released.
How does the president of the United States of America then do everything in his power to deny urgent and desperately needed humanitarian aid to the same civilians who have been shellshocked back into the stone Age?
How does Obama then back a murderous and illegitimate, Neo-Nazi and Fascist government in Kiev that has turned the full force of its military on civilian populations all over the Eastern Ukraine?
Please read:
Russia’s top 100 lies about Ukraine
ZH is just an RT (KGB) propaganda branch. You can be proud joining forces with it ))
Different convoy.
This one was real, the other one was a mirage only seen from Kiev.
Yes but they did send a fuckin tweet so obviously it must be real....
i honestly thought this white convoy was going to get hit, using it for provication for russia to invade...
hmm...
Take it up a notch....Blue state/Red state, US v world, "us" v. "them", "black v. white"....keep watching the "shiny object"....so you never "see" that the world is a stage and the 1% (including billionaire Putin, as much as I like him) are it's "players"....
The game is called "Grand Theft Illuminati Bankster"....the rules are that no matter what we do...they are at the wheel steering us, and they win...
When we are all ready to cut these puppet strings attached to us...it will end. They "need" our "permission".....
Pray with me every day..."you do not have my permision"..."I do not agree"..."you are not welcome here"...."leave now"....then the hundredth monkey sets in and things change for the better slowly, but surely.
Interesting that the MSM and .gov portrayed Putins Humanitarian Effort as an active invasion in the beginning.
Now it seems those white trucks are returning to Russia after emptying their cargo in Ukraine.
Do the Pols & MSM lackeys realize that their continual lying leads most to disbelieve 'everything' they utter?
I Do.
But was there a hashtag? Never believe anything in politics until a hashtag is used.
U.S. to respond in kind by painting HellFire Missiles white.
I really wanted the Trojan Horse thing to pan out. I like horses.
It was never a "Trojan Horse." It's always been a transparent resupply of Russian military forces in Ukraine. But who cares? Russia should be able to invade and "annex" any country it wants to! The world belongs to Mother Russia!
(When Russia ever does anything "Humanitarian" wake us up.)
Yeah. The US government backstabs everyone they deal with. Everyone. Sooner or later. The Russians have been making it a policy to be truthful and forthright. The do what they say they will do, no more, no less. Makes America look pretty shitty, but our fuckwad "leaders" won't face it. And our idiotic electorate won't wake up.
The electorate no longer matters. The MSM is simply instructed to declare a winner and no votes ever need be counted. Much simper that way.
roadlust, I do believe that you are a moron. Get out and see the world some time. Things are not black and white out there.
..... and the role of the Red Cross in this, and that the cargo was checked????
What are you on?
..... and the role of the Red Cross in this, and that the cargo was checked????
What are you on?
Russia got screwed by involving the IRCS, but they had to. THe IRCS is part of the UN-WHO-WB-WTO Illuminati Bankster bloodlust cabal....they trick the world into thinking "help is coming" then they pull out their clipboards and Visio charts for the following 6 months...keep an eye every African "relief" campaign...they are to make sure "enough" suffering happens...so America-Fuck-Yeah can look like saviors in the following MSM barrage of "human interest" stories...
I've seen this for myself many times. The last time they took over my hotel (for thier staff, not refugees of course) they sat around for 2 days waiting on air cards for their stupid laptops. All they needed to do was bring some fucking water and food to people (which the local population and the churches did quite nicely on their own).
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Russia should annex America and save everyone in that land.
If "regime change" was desirable (and legal) in Iraq and Libya, then why not Washington and Tel Aviv too?
Let's start with Alaska, so we can move there.
I am still waiting to see what revelation Putin had in turning 180 degrees from the most horrific government of the 20th century, Stalinist Russia. I don't hear him condemning the past sins of Russian oligarchs. On the surface he is showing that he desires peaceful solutions to the remapping of Eastern Europe. Is it that he knows the petrodollar is teetering on the brink of disaster and America and West Europe are a multicultural mess providing him the opportunity to go for the jugular putting on a peaceful face.
In that he was head of the KGB for all of those years I don't trust any of the motives of modern governments. They continue to appear to be functioning under an elitist mentality with the masses behaving as good slaves. I know the founders of this country would agree with this position. Recording present history is quite a challenge with all of the rampant deception. Maybe this is why Franklin said we have a democratic republic, with the caveat of "if we can keep it". Human nature has not changed for eons.
whatever putin is he sure knows how to treat multi billionaire dual citizen fucking zionist scum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjrlTMvirVo
Wasn't it the so called Zionist scum that took over Russia with the Bolshevik Revolution and went on to do ethnic cleansing of the Germanic people?
Yes, it was. They killed millions of Christians. Then the Russian people overthrew them in 1991 and rebuilt all their churches.
Your point?
Nice to know they can be defeated
These same descened on Ukraine and stole all the food, leaving millions to starve. Young communists from the cities, like Kiev, led the attacks on peasants and food theft, many of these were Jews. I know that insults many, but check the history books, their very names have been documented by post Soviet historians. Jewish intellectuals drove much of the communist crime wave in the 1930's. led by Joesph Stalin, in fact, he was both and ethnic Georgian and was born in Georgia and grew up there and became a regional communist leader there. He broght with him many from thos regions to run secret police. In late 30's Beria, a non Russian, terroised the Russian and Ukrainian Christian population and caused mass death amoung them. Check the facts, I know this is true.
Yes True and if anything understated.
From 1917 thru Stalin was never Russians in control.
Famines was in Russia, Kazakhstan also.
Search subject "Volga Famine"
You confuse Jews with political Zionists.
Priceless when Putin asks the tycoon to give him back his pen after signing!
How much would Putin's pen sell for on eBay?
That video link is great on so many levels. I especially like when Putin made that guy get up and sign, then when the guy tried to walk off with his pen he stopped him and asked for it back.
Yeah the oligarchs were scolded like schoolboys.
Balls.
He has them.
Or this one on YT, where he orders an Arrest Warrant for the Redshield scion George Soros.
A here he starts exposing the NWO crowd for their duplicity, their rhetorical pretexts vs. actual actions.
In my opinion Putin and his advisors are very pragmatic, they can see and understand the follies of overseas wars and the colonization and empire building, namely that it bankrupts the host nation. Russia also has the ability to be self sustaining in regards to food and industrial production and if they can increase the birth rate, they'll have a sustainable "indigenous" population, unlike much of the western nations. The only threat to this is global conflict and war so it is in their interests to try and be the voice of peace and co-operation.
Whether Putin and his advisors are angels I have no idea or opinion, but in listening to them I get the idea that they are thoughtful, rational, pragmatic, understand their past and history but have a vision and plan for their country and people that stretches out centuries into the future.
If they can spread peace and stability they will further ensure peace and stability on their own borders within their own country.
edit: "revelation"? Putin was the choice of the old-school oligarchs but he double crossed them pretty early on I believe so in a sense he probably always knew. But Libya probably really woke them up and made them plan more intensely for conflict. IMO just my two layman's cents.
Interesting analysis. So your defintion of "revelation" is that Putin did do a 180 from past Bolsheviks.
Bolsheviks were political zionists funded by western banks to overthrow the Tsar, supposedly because the Tsar was independent of the banks and interfered with banker plans in Amerika... but I wonder because the zionist takeover in Russia was in Albert Pike's letter.
Are you saying that Stalin was a political zionist and that Putin is not?
There have been quite a few Russian leaders since Stalin... and it has been even longer since Lenin and Trotsky.
IMO your question is nonsequitur. It makes no sense.
Yup, very Pragmatic. As some here have noted, "In a world of lies, truth is an act of Treason".
The NWO (i.e. 'Manifest Destiny 2.0') is not progressing because of global or international consensus. It is progressing because of an international Con by the US and its Neocon & Global_Zionists. It is progressing on Lies, Deception, Blackmail, Bribes and Brute Force.
Don't know what "Vision for Russia" he shared with his Russian Oligarch 'friends', but in his place I'd paint them the unprecedented wealth they can realize by BUILDING something bigger than has ever been built before: The Eurasian Economic Zone that leads through Russia.
Such a Vision should more than inspire said Oli's. It should bring them fully on board. Alas, the actualization of such a Vision would change the North Atlantic (UK-US) Alliance so much (to their detriment), that they must stop or sabotage it at any cost. Strictly speaking, the Brits would be better off in the new re-alignment also, but old habits and old ties (by the Old Guard) are nigh impossible to break. Hence UK's mini-Me relationship to the US.
If cooler and wiser heads can prevail in EU capitals, The Truth Will Out, and a better future bodes for them. Else they will be the pawns and cannon-fodder of America's NWO imperialism.
Putin wasn't head of the KGB, '... he "was a mid-level KGB agent performing fairly routine duties... Putin resigned from the KGB at the rank of colonel, in order to get involved in politics" ...'
he was...
I wouldn't characterize a KGB/FSB colonel as a "mid-level agent". In my experience in African and Asian backwaters, a colonel sat at the top of the local food chain. In a country with as large and critical a presence a East Germany a colonel might be a department head, who knows... but I think if you want to use the term "mid-level" then management would be more appropriate than agent.
I was just quoting from the article. Maybe he was mid-level during the majority of his service and was promoted to colonel near the end. Don't know. And the quote about him being mid-level came from the NYT.
Please, do your home work before posting. Putin was never anywhere near "head of the KGB". He was a high end operative stationed in Germany; his German is indistinguishable from the native German speakers and he was able to blend in without any problems. He is very well skilled as a fighter, loves history and passionate about acquiring any form of knowledge. Apparently he visited the headquarters of KGB (FSB) for the first time only after he was elected as a president of Russia.
Sorry my bad, typing and thinking too fast about him being in charge of KGB. He was a very signficant KGB agent. I am not saying Putin is a poor leader, just raising questions. If I remember correctly from my courses in comparative economic systems, Russia is one of the leaders in central planning with Gosplan.
We have had a President who was director (head) of the CIA, an organization that is many times more evil and villainous than the KGB ever was.
"I don't hear him condemning the past sins of Russian oligarchs." Unlike how Obama condemed and held Bush accountable for his 'past sins'. Unlike how Bush condemed and held Clinton accountable for his 'past sins'. etc. etc.
"They continue to appear to be functioning under an elitist mentality with the masses behaving as good slaves." - just like here in Amerika. You've just got to love the hypocrisy.
" I know the founders of this country would agree with this position."
Unfortunately not. They were slave-owners whith an uber-elitist mindset that made them label Democracy a "mob rule". Why do you think America became an open plutocracy so fast? That's what it was from day 1, that's why.
Breathtaking analysis of Post Revolutionary War installations.
Have you read the Articles of Confederation, actions of the Continental Congress, or how slavery was handeld in the Constitutional Convention? Please re-read if so and come back with how their aversion to slavery was trumped by the unity of the nation in accordance to the North / South viewpoints.
Uber-elitist mindset? You mean re-defining the nation as a whole after the Revolutionary War to oppose foreign influence and dictation of our nations beliefs?
Democracy? You mean Republic correct?
I don't even honestly care your viewpoints or opinions, but at least get your facts straight.
Among your many and egregious inaccuracies, he was not the HEAD of the KGB. Rather it was papa Bush who was head of the CIA. If you follow the replacement in that fashion you would be totally spot on.
Edit: whoops I see I was too late and all points cover better and more completely than me.
The only thing the west, USA, oligarchs, EU, Israel, MccCain, NeoCons, Obama, MIC, Deep State and the banksters have delivered to the Ukriane is death, misery, murder, hardship and debt. As this evil gang looted the Ukraine including their gold. Evil.
America was overthrown by the Federalist a while ago. Federalist/Central Banking Authoriities extend and pretend until disaster hits. Welcome to the great Society.
Seriously. Russia starts a war, arms "rebels" and inflitrates special forces and intelligence into a neighboring country, occupies and "annexes" part of it, and when the invaded country tries to fight back, the invader resupplies it's military forces and calls it "humanitarian aid."
Yeah, that all makes perfect sense.
If you're a Russian neo-fascist.
every twitter aacount tells us about russian forces in Ukraine but so far no one produced any hard proof...
May be russians are telling the truth and there is no russian forces there? No! Can't be!
Better worry about your own country.
You know nothing about Russia.
Wait a second. In May the western backed rebels/terrorists overthrew the legitimately elected Ukraine government, which was friendly to Russia.
Now you are claiming that the unelected government is legitimate and the supporters of the old elected government are rebels?
Pretty twisted.
This is Orange revolution 2.0 with guns.
No.You don"t get it!!!
...have you been talking to my wife again ?!?
no, it's
Russia lies
America lies more.
Ok we get it. Russia good, America bad.
Who is this "we" ? Are you hosting multiple personalities in your head ?
"Ok we get it. Russia good, America bad."
How about, Nazi Illuminati = Bumblefucks.....Shootin' Putin and Russia = sanity and the way we used to "expect" AmeriKKKa to act....?
Now let's see footage of the CIA director of operations landing. Let's see those 400 blackwater mercs that are still on Ukrainain soil. Let's see their humanitarian soup-pouring, bread-slicing operation.
Black water is still there. Let's see some clips!
Safe to tell friends and family that western governments are a bunch of F'n liers and cut-throats. Replace them with open source software before they destroy the world.
Are the trucks invading Russia now?
Now, C&H...remember, these are "military" trucks....you know, the "lethal" kind....just like here, the military Mack trucks used for transport are far more "lethal" than the Mack trucks swarming our freeways....please note it.
in much the same way the chinese "war" plane buzzed the american war plane, i am almost surprised theydon't describe it as an american friendly democratic plane.
LOL. Best line for this ZH post.
Keep "doing God's work", Coke and Hookers. ;-)
Putin, making the Western world look foolish one day at a time.
Colonel Klink,
It has nothing to do with Putin!
“United States is becoming a failed state, and thus a danger to its own people and the world.” – Noam Chomsky, 2006
I disagree with it has nothing to do with Putin, it's still geopolitical. I agree with the last statement though. Sadly I watch my country in decline because of our so called "leadership".
Colonel Klink I disagree with it has nothing to do with Putin, it's still geopolitical. I agree with the last statement though. Sadly I watch my country in decline because of our so called "leadership".
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I disagree. The decline of America would happen even without a Russia. America seeks enemies to blame for its failures and to rationalize its military excursions. If it isn't Russia, then it is someone else.
Yes it is geopolitical, but only in the sense that governments create problems that they claim only they can solve.
I agree that Putin is embarrassing the US. But so would just about anyone else. Shall I make a list of failed foreign relations?
NSA spying
Egypt
Benghazi
Syria
Ukraine
Lybia
Iraq
Mexican border
etc......
...... Israel
Vietnam
Cuba
Honduras
Chile
Iran
Israel
Panama
Columbia
United States of America
.............
War on Drugs
War on Poverty
War on Terror
War on Americans
War without End
911 ATTACKS
Pearl Harbor
.............
TBTF
TRTJ
........
Monsanto
fuk fingers getting tired.... yeah the list goes on
syria is still an open wound
the pentagram are today ready for syrian shock and awe
wipe out assad in the name of fighting isis.
the papers are now saying assad is responsible for isis they have a right to bomb syria.
the false flag has worked no if's or buts.
James Foley - His Secret Life and the CIAcheck out the studio sound dub
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEtVNIYluzk
Israel's espionage agency, or as he is usually introduced in English, the chief of the ISIS (Israel secret intelligence service). SIS is the official name of MI6, the British version of the Mossad;
tony
Wow. Amazing video. Thanks
Yes. Agreed. But Putin is focussing the spotlight on failed western (American) foreign policy. As one poster said: "he's making the west look foolish one day at a time."
Sergey Glazyev, a close friend and advisor to Putin, explains what Russia is up against. They will succeed and the US will be seen as the failed state they have become. Sad.
http://themillenniumreport.com/2014/08/russian-economist-candidly-expose...
It's not like it's hard. They keep saying "Lookie Lookie!" but provide no evidence of anything. If I were a criminal investigator at a PD and this was the way I conducted myself through my dealings, I would be fired. There are cameras and video on most phones now as well as numerous "reporters" on the ground. If they are shipping sophisticated weapons and military aid THEN FUCKING SHOW SOME FUCKING PICTURES MOTHERFUCKER?!?!?!?
Yeah, Putin makes everyone in the world look "foolish." The jackass is already the most dispised leader on Earth, and leading his country into full scale economic depression again.
All he needs to do is kill some more children on holiday to rise to the Hitler level.
you forgot to take your pill...
I wonder if the Russians smuggled in any Freedom Lies.
Russia whitewashes trucks.
The West whitewashes the News into Lies.
The New York Times map of the East Ukraine War bears no resemblance to the maps and day by day battle reports from RT.com, http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com or http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com. All the corporate media including Reuters are reporting steady Govt progress in isolating and retaking Donetsk and Luhansk. But the Truck Convoy just drove through many miles of what the Times showed as Ukraine Govt reoccupied territory and back without incident!
The Ukraine so-called government is throwing every piece of scrap iron on wheels they can find into the battle, recruiting scores of thousands of draftees and throwing them at the battle with little training or supplies. They have no popular support except for their Nazi goon squads, and reports are that few believe their lies.
It is foreseeable that at some point the militia will launch a probe and the Uke army will start to collapse. At that time the whole edifice of media lies will crumble; but if folks haven't been paying attention the media can just move on to the next level of lies. They and the NATO governments are doing everything possible to prepare a thundering shout of <Russian Invasion!> to justify sending in the Marines, or whatever next step they have in mind.
If you see how dangerous and wrong this is, don't just say it on ZH, say it on your local blogs and media comment lines and other forums you participate in, and say it to your friends! Breaking through the Great Wall of Silence and Lies now, before they shout Fire in the theatre and everyone goes into panic mode and thinkind shuts down, matters a lot!
The Michael Gordon lies printed in the NYT are the most appalling thing since...the last time Michael Gordon was the lead correspondent on a major story, which was Saddam's WMD.
What's the half-life of Ukie wolf-crying down to now? 12 hours?
Usually about five minutes. This one took a little longer because there actually was a convoy.
Seize Mars
Actually
your false generalization only shows you really don't "get it".
To be specific,
in this matter the Russian government is right, the US government is wrong
Turned back just because they were white? Its not Labor day yet, shoulda been no problem? Some folks dont have any manners at all!
Is there honor in the generals serving Obama?
Apparently there is none,
Over one month ago the Pentagon sent "military advisors"
to help Kiev fight other Ukrainians.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/22/pentagon-team-dispatched...
Colonels are where you should be looking.
Putsches are always done by the colonels,hardly ever by generals.
"Putches are always done by the colonels, hardly ever by generals"
Really?
What about Napoleon (France,general), Cromwell (England,general), Sulla (Rome,general), Marius (Rome,general),Ceasar (Rome, general), Mao (China, general),Pepin (Franks,general),Washington (USA, general),Pinochet (Chile, general) : I could go on.
You are, obviously, quite mistaken.
Let me rephrase that then. fighting men, which nowadays does not include
pentagon brass.General also meant something different in history.
In todays world colonels are the last rank still having direct contact
with the enlisted men.The list you gave was at a time when generals still did have that contact.
Pinochet became a staff officer after I think,but I may be confusing him with the Argentine junta.
That would make him the exception, in modern times.
Modern generals live in ivory towers, as do economists, politicians first,rather than
soldiers.
Winston: "Nowadays" is an empty concept; men behave the same, history proves that point. That's why US,Canada most western governments restrict history programs. The ostensible reason is 'history' doesn't aid people to find 'work'. The real reason is the PTB don't want the people to 'learn' how things really work-they want sheeple.
Erwin Rommel, a modern General, participated in a 'putsch' in early 1944 to kill Hitler with a bomb. The plan failed. Rommel had the choice to quietly commit suicide and leave his family with their wealth or face a public trial and his family be stripped of all property. Rommel killed himself.
Rommel along with von Manstein and Macarthur were the most gifted generals of the the twentieth century.
And, speaking of Macarthur (I believe he was a Field Marshal at the end of his service), by not respecting Truman, he attempted a soft 'putsch' himself in Korea..
Macarthur was a idiot who fucked up Korea, underestimated the Chinese, got scared and wanted to use nukes.
Do know about Raibul? You ever heard about Inchon?
Macarthur circumvented the Japanese Island Raibul in the SE Pacific on his way to Japan. . The Japanese had 100,000 men there. A cardinal rule of military strategy you never leave combatants in your rear. Macarthur allowed Raibul to stay in his rear as he knew the US controlled the seas by this time so Raibul was impotent. His aides, other officers thought he was crazy . It would've taken 6-9 months to invade and conquer the island at the cost of 50k American troops.
Inchon-Macarthur's bold plan- was the greatest amphibious attack ever accomplished. It saved South Korea.
Macarthur did not underestimate the Chinese. He did though make an uncharacteristic mistake. Mac. had every bridge destroyed (bombing) over the Yalu River (separates China from North Korea)and believed his troops would be safe from Chinese attack. However, a very, very cold November froze the Yalu and the Chinese hordes crossed the frozen river and almost annhiliated the US 8th army.
Other than the Yalu incident, you really don't know what you are talking about re Macarthur; the man was far from being an idiot.
....mostly correct I suppose but I'm always a bit shy about primadonna's like Mac and Patton, Montgomery and without question the biggest fucktard of them all Churchill staying on Macarthur his failure to heed the warnings of the Chinese cost the allies dearly; the fact that the Yalu froze abit early was somewhat inconsequential given thier ability to muster such numbers had they needed they would have floated across or even walked across on the bodies of thier comrades but like Monty's spear thrust through the heart of Germany - commonly known as operation market garden or more accurately fools errand that cost so many lives needlessly and was hopelessly exposed to flanking and encirclement even if the idiot had managed to obtain his objectives Macarthurs push to the Chinese border extended his supply lines and allowed the enemy to get behind his forces which again due to poor planning were ill equipped for the extreme cold they soon faced. I don't really know shit about history but a bad idea is a bad idea. Oh and one more point just while I'm on the pitch - Bernard Montgomery was an egotistical asshole........ fuk i hate that guy
I hate Monty too; probably the most over rated general of the entire war.
All the British generals enjoyed their gin martinis. Each told each other their recipes, ratios of gin to vermouth. Alexander was 7-1, Wavell, 10-1 and so on. Montgomery's was 30-1. General Wilson quipped, Monty's martini ratios are the same as he does in leading attacks!
Sure he won at the El Alamein battles but he didn't beat Rommel militarily, he beat him through attrition; Rommel had no supply chain, as the Mediteranean was controlled by the Allies's navy.
You have a point that Macarthur fucked up in his dotage in his Korean offensive, but other than that he was a top notch general.
You're looking at over 2000 years of history to provide a handful of examples to prove a tendency about how things are [today]? The fact is that both junior and senior officers lead coups. However, unless you want a coup of the elite, by the elite, and for the elite... it's better (generally) that they are led by junior officers (not that those at the bottom of the pyramid will ever prosper regardless of who leads). Fortunately, there is no shortage of coup attempts led by junior officers. Feel free to compare and contrast your own list of coup attempts led by generals during the same period, but I have to warn you- mine's bigger.
2008 Captain Moussa Camara
2005 Colonel Ely Vall
2004 Colonel Bechir Haggar
2003 Captain Gerardo Gambala
2003 Major Fernando Pereira
2003 Colonel Saleh Hanenna
2000 Lt Colonel Lucio Gutiérrez
1996 Major Pierre Buyoya
1995 Colonel Rovshan Javadov
1994 Lieutenant Yahya Jammeh
1992 Lt Colonel Hugo Chávez
1992 Captain Valentine Strasser
1991 Colonel Amadou Touré
1990 Major Gideon Orkar
1989 Colonel Gregorio Honasan
1989 Colonel Mengistu Haile Mariam
1989 Colonel Juma Oris
1989 Major Moisés Giroldi
1988 Colonel Prosper
1987 Lt. Colonel Sitiveni Rabuka
1987 Colonel Gregorio Honasan
1983 Captain Thomas Sankara
1982 Major Jean-Baptiste Ouédraogo
1982 Private 1st Class Hezekiah Ochuka (just because... this demonstrates how truly fucked up Obozo's homeland is...)
1982 Lieutenant Surendre Rambocus
1981 Lieutenant J.J. Rawlings
1980 Colonel Mohamed Haidalla
skipping the Disco Generation...
1969 Colonel Muammar Gaddafi
Redneck: Other than Chavez and Qaddaffi these are all coups of insignificant countries ,hence , insignificant impact on history
Mao, Pinochet,Rommel,Ceasar, Marius, Cyrus (Persia),Cromwell, Alexander the Great (Macedonia, assassinated his father, Phillip III) changed history as they were leaders of significant countries.
History, whether it be 2,500 years ago, or today is repetitive and interpretively seamless if one takes the time to properly study. Man doesn't change and his activities are all the same regardless of relative technology, constitutions,laws,religion or philosohpy.
Urban R., if and when you grasp the above, you will understand that though time changes,moves on, man does not.
Your myopic fascination with recent events rather than taking in a broad tapestry of history is a pan American problem. After blowing their brains out in Vietnam a mere 40 years ago, America created the same mess in Iraq. If they had studied some history many soldiers, much treasure could have been preserved.
Your condescending arrogance doesn't do a very good of hiding your myopic grasp of the context of world events and history.
If you want to be snobby about your short list, then you need to drop Augusto, as nothing august has ever sprung from his little backwater fiefdom. You can also ditch Alexander, because killing daddy isn't a coup... it's a family spat, or alternatively, a scheduling conflict. Which brings me back to the whole point of Reaper's original question "Is there honor in the generals serving Obama?" Family spats, whether its blood family, country club family, congregation family, or company family doesn't change squat for broader populace.
In terms of overthrowing Obama, who would be a better instigator and why: Gen Ray Odierno at the Pentagram or Maj Gen Michael Bills at Ft. Hood?
The dumb sheeple might get some pay-per-view excitement if Double-barrel Joe redecorated the oval office with Barry's innards, or if Odierno paraded the 3rd infantry regiment across the Potomac... the sheeple might even think that change was finally in the air... but they'd be dumb sheeple and dead wrong.
Change doesn't come from the inside, only minor corrections and alterations to the FORWARD! course pursued are implemented. Insiders care about maintaining the status quo or fine-tuning it to increase their benefit. Their impact on history is only a by-product of their actions, and arguably their names are utterly irrelevant... if you actually grasp what you wrote in your 3rd paragraph.
But I do agree with you that not enough people read history, much less study it, hence the great Rinse, Repeat machine. In the context of finance history, the ignorance publicly paraded, even on ZH, begs the question-- "What difference – at this point, what difference does it make?" The errors of the past will be repeated, the exact name of the fuck-up doesn't particularly interest me, because I already know how and why, and the only important question I can't answer is when, but there are other people who do specialize in that question.
urban: I see you haven't studied Macedonian history.
Alexander was the heir apparent to Phillip but at Phillips wedding banquet -where Phillip married another (Cleopatra)wife and as such left Alexander's succession vulnerable to a child by the new wife. Alexander taunted the drunken King, Phillip went to draw his sword to strike Alexander but slipped and fell, humiliated.
Phillip banished Alexander and his mother Olympias to Epirus where Oylmpia's family was from.
Alexander was out of the Macedonan succession.
About a year later Phillip was killed and the killer killed (kind of like Oswald) and Alexander became King. The baby boy from Phillip's new wife was also killed at the command of Olympias who was back in Pella (the capital of Macedonia).
Most historians feel that Phillip's assassination was executed by a conspiracy of Alexander and Olympias.
So,my example is correct, it wasn't a 'family spat'; it was an assassination coup by a general.
Chile has the largest copper mine in the world, has for decades: Chile is not a backwater.
I get slightly irritated that you use, mimic my word, 'myopic', instead of having some originality to employ your own modifier. Kindly please try harder in your prose.
Your logic doesn't appear particularly sound. If Alexander lead a military coup, what body of troops that he commanded seized power? What was the nature of Alexander's claim to the throne- his troops occupation, his former regency, or the blood of his father flowing through his veins? It was most certainly a family spat, and if the schedule had been delayed- then Karanus coming of age would have posed an even larger obstacle to ascension which probably would have required a military coup to surmount.
As to Chile, having copper mines does not raise a nation above the status of backwater. Lots of colonies are rich in natural resources. Guinea has worlds largest bauxite reserves and even when it was one of the worlds largest bauxite producers it was most certainly a backwater. The Grasberg mine (and all the rest of the mines combined) in Indonesia are only a small share of Indonesia's total GDP and the other economic and strategic considerations that elevate it to more than a backwater of 250 million people.
No he got rid of all the ones who might disagree with him. All that are left are a bunch of boot-licking, ass-kissing todies!
Next time someone tries to cut in line at the grocery store I'll point at them and scream to the moon, Putin! Russian tyrant! New-Hitler!
Critical resupply for the seperatists. They may be able to hang in there until the fall harvest now.
"Critical resupply for the seperatists"
And for the starving people in Eastern Ukraine. Mainly for them. You must have heard, somewhere on the News, that there is a genocidal war in Eastern Ukraine, and that the civilians are the first targets?
Civilians? They're seperatists! Use all the semantics you want, but the Ukrainians won't care, and the Russians are only pretending to care.
Oh, the poor victims, won't someone PLEASE think of the CHILDREN!
Speaking like a true frog...
Bunch of bleeding heart libtards out here today.
Not to mention inept trolls.
Why is everyone fixtated on 'trolls?'
It's becoming the biggest straw man on the interwebs. Disagree? Call someone a troll, or worse yet a 'paid troll', then present no counter argument.
Bunch of bleeding heart libtards out here today.
Tru dat.
Fuck NATO and the horse they rode in on
Next time paint them in "Pull Me Over Red" while screaming "phuck you coppers!" from out the window.
With a cigarette hanging out of your mouth and your honey riding shotgun.
All this should be a big embarrassment to Obama and the West. Don't hold your breath for Putin to back-off or back-down, he has put down his marker and is now playing both Obama and Kerry for fools in a contest that cost Russia little. It is likely that if If Putin doesn't get Eastern Ukraine next week he will next month or next year at the latest.In reality America has few military options in Russia's backyard unless it has the backing of a full and enthusiastic NATO and that is very unlikely.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/07/putin-holds-all-cards.html
Is a Phony Peace better than a Phony War ?
Or is Potempkin Putin paying court to Czarina Merkel ?
limacon Is a Phony Peace better than a Phony War ?
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And do various ant colonies ponder the same thing as they fight? Why can't they just get along?
Thus is life and you better get use to it instead of pondering while a drone is aimed at you.
"Is a Phony Peace better than a Phony War ?"
A "phony war" kills real people.
No word on MH17 still eh? Glad people found a good distraction like dumping fuckin ice on their heads. Who knows what would happen if we had a populace that actually paid attention to important things
Don't you remember? Russia shot it down. Heard it on CNN so it has to be true! {grin}
"The preliminary results of an inquiry into the crash of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 will be published during the first week of September, [reportedly says] Agence France Presse...
The preliminary report will contain information from various sources, including black boxes, transcripts of interactions between the crew and flight dispatchers and satellite imagery...
The preparation of the final report will take several months."
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/mh17-inquiry-results-to-be-pu...
The black box recorders are in UK possession still being "analyzed" before release.
Hampshire-based Air Accidents Investigation Branch now have black boxes
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2702653/MH17s-black-box-flight-r...
Are you gonna saddle up and go bring in Porky?
Doesn't look like you'll get any help from Marshall US/EU.
What is this "MH17" you speak of? When does the NFL season start, or DWTS?
;-)
Winning hearts and minds,
One truck at a time.
It’s the second Ukrainian Famine.
The Ukrainian Famine premeditated by Stalin and the Eastern Ukrainian Famine premeditated by Washington is a red flag that nothing has changed in the cruel march to world communism – not even starvation by force - except for the headquarters.
The irony is it’s the same Churchill and Netanyahu technique – and that is war on the civilian population. The reason the Kiev government is so anxious to keep food from the Ukrainian people is it’s a lot easier to starve and kill civilians and blow up their houses than to fight armies. That’s what Churchill discovered with the Royal Air Force, and that’s what Netanyahu is doing. Who’s going to shoot down an F-16 when he doesn't have any weapons?
One of Snowden’s revelations is that after 9/11 the so-called shared CIA-Mossad intelligence favored use by the Israelis over the US. In other words, the Israelis had access to raw intelligence, that is intelligence not organized and without any supervision, while America had little access to the Israeli-Mossad gathered intelligence and special operations. It’s obvious that dating from 9/11 that the chief foreign policy decisions in Washington are being made by Israel. And that includes Ukraine..
…as well as 13 years of Washington’s bombing of civilians in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Pakistan, Yemen, while organizing outside forces to attack Syrians and isolating Iran for military attack, at the same time participating in the attacks
The Fed is the lions head in all of this and looks at the nationalities of all of the CHAIRMAN'S!
America has been under siege ever since 1913, not 9/11. They killed Kennedy so that sound money could not be introduced and that the Fed (Private not Federal agency) could exist and print the dollar as opposed to the Treasury. Nixon was a complete idiot and hack. When they defaulted (closing of the gold windows as they like to term it), the world had no other choice, hence they had to go on a free floating regime and peg the dollar to Saudi oil. All of the wars were all to prop up the USD and the Hegemony. The ultimate goal for these blood thirsty world dominators is total and utter control of all resources. The Talmud tells them they are superior to the rest of the riff raff (everyone) and everyone else are serfs for their purpose, or simply a waste of space and need to be exterminated. Hence agenda 21 etc. These are sick sick group of Zionist.
In truth, the Federal Reserve Bank is a privately owned corporation and should be registered as such.
Anonymous writes: “Since the Federal Reserve Bank is privately owned, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York (and all the others) is listed in Dun & Bradstreet. But according to Article I, Section 8 of the U. S. Constitution, only Congress has the right to issue money and regulate its value.
“Thus it is *illegal* for private interests to issue US money. But because influential Jews like Paul Warburg and Jacob Schiff bribed into enactment the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, the stockholders of the Federal Reserve Bank were to be kept a secret. Only recently have the Jewish stockholders of the Federal Reserve Bank come to light.”
A 2009 Salon.com article, “The Takeover of America, Republic Becomes Oligarchy (since removed),” got it right - "America has become an oligarchy, a government ruled by a powerful few, versus a Republic, a government limited by law, as the banking and Wall Street Masters of the Universe continue their tyranny.”
Napoleon said the same:
“When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes… Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.” – Napoleon Bonaparte, Emperor of France, 1815
"while America had little access to the Israeli-Mossad gathered intelligence and special operations"
That's not true. The Israelis gave America lots and lots and lots of information showing that 17 Arab Cessna pilots blew up the WTC. Credit where credit is jew.
LOL! 15 drooling show trial wannabes.
Mother Russia looks after her children
Freddy USA poisons and kills its people. Albeit slowly so they do not have a revolution.
They tax the citizen and the $$$ go to private hands not to further the improvement of the country or its people. The only reason US was doing so great was due to the Petrodollar standard, not the Federal government. They have made the American people nothing but debt slaves. Serfs in the truest sense.
Fark the Fed, dismantle this corrupt private banking cartel.
I don't have debt. I worked hard and smart to make it that way.
They can only put the pen in your hand...You do the rest.
That's a story nobody wants to talk about.
Thank you on behalf of the starving people in Eastern Ukraine to Mr Putin, to the brave convoy drivers as well as to the separatist military that covered the convoy to make sure it wouldn't come to any harm.
hey you fascist mofo's (NATO, EU, DC) Where the Fark is the intell. of an invasion????? Pentagon, you mofos are nothing but warmongering clowns.
Suck on it you fascist/nazis. You want war, blow yourselves up (looks like you are through the ISIS BS)
The Jewish Bolsheviks were slaughtering their way through ethnic Slavs since 1917 and ethnic Europeans since WW1. I used to know somebody who did a dissertation about Leo Motzkin who was one of the main "masters" behind the most vicious campaigns against ethnic Russians of all times. His research was enormous and one of the chapters was about the holodomor. In short, Stalin simply allowed for this to happen but the real engineers of this hunger-extermination were the Jewish Bolsheviks from Ukraine.
The frigging Zionist regime has been doing its evil ever since they had the ability. The Talmud tells them to do it in the stealth. Its a corrupt version of Gods teaching. These bastard priests changed the world due to these evil teachings. Atleast that is what the elite Zionists are using and believe. They are scum of the planet. Everyone has been played to no end killing each other. I'm glad Putin is not fooled by their BS.
What's the betting the guy who did the dissertation wasn't heard of again in academia? Stepped on the Third Rail baby!
Ever read Gulag Archipelago? Thought not...your assertions are empty verbal farts like so many of the mile wide inch deep faux readers who keyboard regularly.
I've never seen an Administration that gets spokespeople to utter such stupid two-bit crap in all my life.Here you have Obama who has continually refused to meet with former Officials from just about all previous Presidents that were in power including Henry Kissinger.Kissinger basically has gotten slapped in the face by the right wing nazi supporting neocons of the present State Department.You can look at any foreign policy decision coming from Obama and every one of them has been poorly conceived with little attention paid to the future ramifications of his actions.Now he's saying he's got a very long term plan for Iraq.Ya right.Now bomb Syria.Throw more money at Egypt.Give billions more to Israel along with military support.We're staying in Afghanistan with special forces.One goddamn mistake following another.Now,the CIA and Obama have destroyed the entire economy of the Ukraine after supporting neo nazi thugs that overthrew a Government.Now the guy in power who is a billionaire wants an election and most likely wants out because he can't go anywhere in his own country without being shot.The stupidity of Obama is amazing.He's conned Europe,Canada and others into suffering under sanctions on Russia without the U.S. taking the hit.He's a back alley shister now preaching humanitarian aid from Russia to Ukraine is an invasion.What the F...?
A note to the Russian Ministry of Defense.
If you are forced to "go nuke" please, please, pretty please wipe the fuckers in D.C. off the map entirely and make sure you leave no trace of human existence behind!
The only coordinates your warheads will need are the two factories that make Oceania possible.
Langley and the Pentagon!
Might want to seek out their pay masters too as they are the serfs, albeit very powerful ones. Zionists are the true criminals in the whole scheme of things.
One thing puzzles me about the present nuclear brinkmanship:
In an all out war scenario, everyone with nuclear weapons will be targeted. What this means is that tiny nuclear armed nations with no hinterlands to retreat to will simply vanish from history, and where's the advantage in that? Surely the tiny nuclear armed nations of this world must understand this?
You'll see more Aid come forth, when Iceland's volcano Bardabunga goes Badaboom!
You can forget a Uke air game or satellite images. Short air game, long ground game. Bitchez.
Here's a hint for what is coming....
ISIS is now headed by Russia... The Kremlin "is" controlling and funding ISIS... And James Foley had the story to prove it before he was unfortunately beheaded!!!! No really honest?!!!... I shit you not!!!... This one is the real McCoy!!!... /sarc
The "Dick" looks great with that brand new ticker doesn't he?!!!