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China Plans To Unveil Domestic "Operating System" In October

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With Russia pushing to end its government's dependency on Microsoft's Operating System, it is perhaps not surprising (especially following the various raids that have been undertaken) that another BRICS member, as Reuters reports, China could have a new homegrown operating system by October to take on imported rivals such as Microsoft, Google, and Apple, Xinhua news agency said on Sunday. A spokesperson stated, China hoped domestically built software would be able to replace desktop operating systems within one to two years and mobile operating systems within three to five years.

 

As Reuters reports, China could have a new homegrown operating system by October...

Computer technology became an area of tension between China and the United States after a number of run-ins over cyber security. China is now looking to help its domestic industry catch up with imported systems such as Microsoft's Windows and Google's mobile operating system Android.

 

The operating system would first appear on desktop devices and later extend to smartphone and other mobile devices, Xinhua said, citing Ni Guangnan who heads an official OS development alliance established in March.

 

Ni's comments were originally reported by the People's Post and Telecommunications News, an official trade paper run by the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology (MIIT).

 

"We hope to launch a Chinese-made desktop operating system by October supporting app stores," Ni told the trade paper. Some Chinese OS already existed, but there was a large gap between China's technology and that of developed countries, he added.

 

He said he hoped domestically built software would be able to replace desktop operating systems within one to two years and mobile operating systems within three to five years.

Of course this is no sudden decision as said in May China said that “governments and enterprises of a few
countries” are taking advantage of their monopoly status and
technological edge to collect sensitive information.

In May, China banned government use of Windows 8, Microsoft's latest operating system, a blow to the U.S. technology firm's business which raised fears China was moving to protect domestic firms. Microsoft is also under investigation for anti-trust violations.

In March last year, China said that Google had too much control over China's smartphone industry via its Android mobile operating system and has discriminated against some local firms.

Mutual suspicions between China and the United States over hacking have escalated over the past year following revelations by Edward Snowden that U.S. intelligence planted "backdoor" surveillance tools on U.S.-made hardware.

The U.S. Justice Department, meanwhile, indicted five Chinese military officers in May on counts of extensive industrial espionage.

Ni said the ban on Windows 8 was a big opportunity for the Chinese sector to push forward its own systems, but that the industry needed further development and investment.

"Creating an environment that allows us to contend with Google, Apple and Microsoft - that is the key to success," he added.

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So Jack Lew promised no impact on the US economy from Russian sanctions and President Obama has, we are sure, calmed everyone's fears over NSA spying...? But all the talking heads said the world relies on US tech knowledge?

 

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Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:44 | 5138835 zorba THE GREEK
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Chinese hackers are among the best in the world, so they should be pretty good

at developing a network operating system.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:50 | 5138858 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Mmmmmm, let me see. The new Chinese OS has 90 % commonality with Windows 7 minus all the bugs, virus vulnerabilities and is NSA free. Where did they get the source code from?

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:58 | 5138886 NoDebt
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And the Chinese government SWEARS there will be no embedded back doors or spyware.  Pinkie swear.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:02 | 5138904 ACP
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Nope, no automatic credit card number capture or login info capture or anything insidious like that. Oh no.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:07 | 5138920 Publicus
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Get ready, for the Chinese century.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:09 | 5138930 TeethVillage88s
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China is a police State.

95% confidence that new operating system from the China State has Backdoors.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:22 | 5138961 ZerOhead
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Speaking of 'back doors'... Windows was obviously a very carefully selected and most appropriate name for their operating system.

Who would have thought when it was first released that the windows were actually for looking in...

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:20 | 5138966 swmnguy
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95%?  You're a raving optimist.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:16 | 5139138 TeethVillage88s
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Plus or minus 3 Standard Deviations bitch.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:31 | 5138979 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Yeah, but...

An American using this OS is outside the jurisdiction of the Chinese government. Also, it will be a giant obstacle for the NSA, so there will be an advantage for some to use it. No thanks though, I'll stick with Linux.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:02 | 5139043 gatorboat
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Yes, there are several good open source distros of Linux and Unix for the PC platform China could choose from.   I like PCLinuxOS, been running it almost a year now, highly recommended migration path from Win7 over to Linux, moderate learning curve well within skills of Win7 power users, 2,300 open source app repository, etc.  Only thing I go back to Win7 for now is cad.  Have CDs for OpenBSD (Unix), excited about trying it out.

Linux and Unix are no longer dull looking character-based "command line" OSs like DOS6.  They've "grown up" into the GUI world, pretty impressive now.   But command line capabilities are still there for long time Linux/Unix users.

I suspect Chinese people are just as computer savvy as Americans, maybe more so.  It's likely many Chinese have already moved over to Linux/Unix.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:06 | 5139115 Rootin' for Putin
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Every single linux that i have tried that has been touted as the best linux for windows users, has been a royal pain in the ass that didnt recognize something and needed cmd line to install or fix or whatever.  I dont do cmd line.  Until linux is plug and play everything its not going to get morons like me and the rest of the windows/apple world to convert.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 00:18 | 5139284 IronForge
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Try Ubuntu.

They tend to provide coordinated community and distributor help; and they have some "extra" services as well.

They're probably one of the most end-user (non-Unix/Linux Geek) friendly Distros out there.

Most CDs/DVDs are Live OS environments, so you can "Try out an OS environment".  It's a bit slow in this fashion, so if you have 6GBs or more of RAM, you can boot the OS into RAM - if you are willing to append a single word near the end of the generic boot line presented. 

You just: Hit "F6" and ESC as the initial logo comes on, get onto the boot command line dialog, hit the cursor-left key from the far right, and type "toram" to the left the endline "--" to boot the entire OS and Apps onto RAM.

If they ask to install, just cancel, and it should revert to the LiveOS mode (a little bug on the daily build of the future realease version - too lazy to see it it's still Alpha or move to Beta Phase - I'm here on ZH before Supper).  If not, make sure the boot dialogue has the selector on "Try Ubuntu" instead of "Install" Ubuntu.

Another fun thing?  You can install in an USB, so you can take it with you, and boot it in a USB Boot Capable Machine (power down, insert USB, power up) for some privacy (checking webmail/email from work, etc).  If you're looking for a bit more privacy, TAILS (a more secure distro - slower web due to using anonymous TOR Network) is available.   

Back to the Thread, the CHNese were working on a AsiaLinux (Asianix or something similar, IIRC) - a Far Eastern Linux Consortium a few years ago.  Didn't take off real well. 

Perhaps by building their own OS, the CHNese will control the whole Operation, instead of having the NSA breathing down their neck (even the founder of OpenBSD allegedly did some work for the USA.Gov Types. 

Thanks, NSA!!!

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 02:31 | 5139451 gatorboat
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I have "Damn Small Linux" bootable from USB drive.  It's rudimentary, but cute!

Oh yes, "Damn Small Linux" is one of many Linux distros.  And yes Ubuntu is one of the most popular.  I tried it and didn't like the desktop look.  Way different from Win7.  PCLinuxOS is way closer to Win7, even has taskbar and start button at the bottom in the default KDE desktop.  Yes you can choose among desktop environments.  KDE, LXE, etc.  KDE is full blown, it has everything you can imagine.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 09:26 | 5140067 Jumbotron
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"Try Ubuntu"

 

I have used for several years various forms of Linux.  And yes, it is still not plug and play in the same way as WinBlows and Crapple.  I've used Red Hat, CentOs, Fedora, openSuse, and Ubuntu. 

ands down the easiest, closest to plug and play distribution I've ever used is Linux Mint with the KDE gui.  Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu.  Most Windows like experience for Windows users looking to jump to Linux and the easiest to set up.  It is what Ubuntu should be.

 

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 02:44 | 5139446 gatorboat
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Suit yourself.

More I discover about PCLinuxOS more fascinated I am.  It's amazing what this OS does. 

Correction to earlier comment:  13,650 open source app repository.   I have 2,350 installed.

Yes that counts all the OS modules, OS libraries, app libraries, and other dependencies, which are automatically installed/updated with OS/app install/update.

The RPM (package manager) runs rings around windows update, updating the OS and installed apps automatically.  It's flat out amazing.

Only thing I've really had to do command line (in terminal) is scan all the wifi routers within range finding out what channel they're broadcasting on so I could set my wifi router to an unused channel, and it started working 500% faster.

How did I scan all the wifi routers?  Simple little command line utility called "iwlist" (running in terminal mode).  Gave all sorts of details about each router my laptop can "hear".

Linux has hundreds of these neat utilities.  I find new ones all the time.

And there's enormous amounts of information on the internet about installing and running these various Linux distros.  The Linux community is massive.

Oh, one more thing, I have Win7 and PCLinuxOS running dual boot on my laptop.   Can boot into either one no problem.

Oh, one more thing.   Most web servers run Linux or Unix.  Much better security than Windows.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 06:51 | 5139657 daemon
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".... 2,300 open source app repository, etc.  "

Haven't you forgotten a 0, here ?

 

" Only thing I go back to Win7 for now is cad. "

Depending on what you mean by cad, you have interesting possibilities with free software.

 

" Linux and Unix are no longer dull looking character-based "command line" OSs like DOS6." 

I don't see anything dull in the cli, and no it's not like DOS6, it's like unix in the most traditional way.

 

" They've "grown up" into the GUI world, pretty impressive now. "

Actually they have been growing up into the GUI world for about 30 years now.

 

" But command line capabilities are still there for long time Linux/Unix users.  "

No, no, cli capabilities are still here because I don't have to spend 5-10 minutes clicking/double-clicking tens of times through multiple windows, to do simple tasks/configurations that are done in less than a minute with the cli . 

 

Sorry, I have just been reading your 2:44 comment now.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 12:33 | 5140827 gatorboat
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"No, no, cli capabilities are still here because I don't have to spend ..."

Unix started out as terminal character-based OS, so naturally everything was command line.  Linux is a port of Unix or Unix wana-be, depending on which camp you're in.  Still cli in the beginning as I understand.  So yes, that's where all the cli came from and it's still there naturally.

I was a cli diehard.  They had to "drag me kicking and screaming" away from DOS6 into Windows.  So I like having cli available when, like you, I want to do something gui apps don't do well, like iwlist for example.   But as time goes along there's less and less gui apps don't do well.  Linux app dev community is rocking along, perhaps partly because they know Linux gui apps have to be as good or better than Win apps to really draw people away from Windows, and it appears PCLinux is aimed specifically at drawing people away from Win7. 

And yes I realize Linux gui front ends (KDE, LXE, etc) have been around a while.  I looked at it 5 yrs ago.  Biggest hold-up IMO is getting it all packaged in something easy to install for a Windows person, especially things like recognizing and configuring your wifi card automagically like Windows install does.  Recognizing and configuring hardware during install has been the big push in recent years it seems.  Yes a good Unix/Linux cli person can do it manually.  But Windows users don't have that knowledge, nor the patience for it, so they have to make the install process do it like Windows does. 

Yes, I would like to know more about Linux cad apps.  I'm running DesignSpark (Spaceclaim) in Win7.  Don't see where they have Linux version, especially rpm (or debian) distro.  Haven't tried running Win version in Linux VM, don't think I have processor power for it.

 

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 13:47 | 5141063 daemon
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" And yes I realize Linux gui front ends (KDE, LXE, etc) have been around a while. "

I was actually refering to X11:   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System

the server needed by graphical environnments and applications.

 

" Yes, I would like to know more about Linux cad apps.  "

to get some ideas and descriptions, try this link:    http://www.freebsd.org/ports/cad.html

everything you find here is inevitably supported by Linux, of course, either in binary or in sources form . And I guess you will find more for Linux (and more up to date) than what is listed here.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 14:23 | 5141339 gatorboat
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Just the little bit we have discussed here about distros and gui front ends and strange terms like X11 and KDE and package managers etc is enough to frighten away the average Windows user.  

Linux/Unix really is a different world, like migrating from Windows to Mac or migrating to any other OS. It's a sizeable learning curve, even a basic "just get it installed and running Firefox" attempt.  

Is it worth it?  I think so.  To get away from dependency on Windows and MS, yes.

But I really think only "power users" would do it.  People who enjoy exploring a new OS (like me).

Thanks for the link to BSD cad.  If I can find a good 3D solid design package I'll give it a whirl.  Learning curve there too.  No two cads are alike.

Any tips going from Linux to BSD, which I hope to do soon?

 

 

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 15:13 | 5141400 daemon
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" I'm running DesignSpark (Spaceclaim) in Win7.  Don't see where they have Linux version, especially rpm (or debian) distro. "

According to this page :  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DesignSpark_PCB

there is no Linux version of the program. But you can run it on Wine (Windows emulator) . I'm not sure that necessarily works great though. And it is a pcb layout program only, seemingly.

 

 

Apparently there are several equivalent programs of what you are looking for, for Linux :

http://alternativeto.net/software/spaceclaim-engineer/?platform=linux

http://www.techdrivein.com/2011/08/8-best-cad-apps-for-linux.html

 

 

" Any tips going from Linux to BSD, which I hope to do soon? "

Sorry, not really. Depending on what you want to do, maybe I would advise you to stick to Linux. In terms of performance, hardware support, and software possibilities, you have probably nothing to gain by switching to any BSD.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:51 | 5139048 CH1
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Wouldn't be surprised if it was an adaptation of Linux.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 01:58 | 5139430 Global Observer
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Of course, it will be a flavour of Linux. There is no other way they will be able to release an OS in such a short time. Sometime ago India released its own flavour of Linux.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 04:06 | 5139537 Kirk2NCC1701
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Look at the bright side.  If they try to sell it, at least it won't need AV/anti-malware SW to protect it from Chinese and N. Korean hackers who are trying to inject and spread malware.

You'll only have to worry about NSA hackers injecting malware.  Close call... what a relief.  ;-)

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 06:00 | 5139626 Confused
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Perhaps some of the older (age-wise) or more well read posters can correct me if I'm wrong. But hasn't this happened a million times in the past (admittedly with different tech/players)?

This is the type of event that turns big business (the same who profited from State favors) against the State (the SAME group who supplied said favors) because of the threat of loss in market share? 

If this gets legs under it, we will no doubt see huge tech companies calling on the US government for reforms to policy, or outright disowning them. 

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 06:15 | 5139637 Majestic12
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"Yeah, but..."

Ahh, refreshing wisdom....

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 01:43 | 5139420 Kirk2NCC1701
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Only a 95% (2 sigma)? Pessimist.

I have 3 sigma confidence.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 06:16 | 5139638 Majestic12
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"Only a 95% (2 sigma)"

I see your "Only a 95% (2 sigma)" ...and raise you a Six Sigma Black Belt....and PMP....

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 05:07 | 5139579 karutzar
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Can you please replace "China" with USA in your sentence? It'll be more close to the truth.

As for the backdoor - MS and Apple is fused with backdoor since their early beginning. In fact these OS is based on Unix.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 06:23 | 5139644 Majestic12
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karutzar

Windoze (aka shitflakes) is in no way "based on UNIX"....it was designed to be an "alternaitve" to UNIX for the military....which soundly rejected it "because" of the HAL "backdoor" architecture....

So, it was quickly "re-marketed" to ISPs....to be the "collector" central hydra platform for all the little automoton clients....in otherwords today's "internet"....

Furthermore, OS X "is" a UNIX kernel....(full BSD UNIX)...many LINUX programs run fine on OS X...even more with a little tweaking....

UNIX (including OS X) can be buttoned down tight.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 08:35 | 5139881 sleigher
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Maybe he is referring to NTFS.  There were DEC engineers who were hired by MS to work on NTFS.  But yeah, windows is not based on unix.  Best quote ever...

Windows --32 bit extensions on top of a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition.  

Art Bahrs

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 01:53 | 5139428 The_Dude
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Mon, 08/25/2014 - 01:51 | 5139432 The_Dude
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Hope they don't plan on making money from it because no one pays for SW in Asia anyway...

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:17 | 5138954 Kirk2NCC1701
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Instead of Ubuntu, I respectfully suggest they call it FUTU (officially pronounced Footoo, but popularly as Fut-U).

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:21 | 5139156 TeethVillage88s
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Or Fuk-U NSA?

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:09 | 5138924 Yen Cross
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 How's that " Grand National" restoration coming. I saw a couple of PUNK kids driving one like taxi today! It disgusted me!

  The Buick " Grand National" is a beautiful simplistic definition of American "nuts and bolts"  Ingenuity!

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 00:19 | 5139286 BlindMonkey
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I owned one and it was my favorite car by a mile. It was also the worst car too, well, as a car. The GM G-body was just terrible. There were pictures of GN racers that ripped the roof sheet metal by the b pillars. That is a lot of flex.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 01:22 | 5139400 Yen Cross
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 Great simple turbocharged V-6 rocket!

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 08:37 | 5139888 sleigher
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I had one as well.  Although mine was t-tops :(

I did get it into the low 11's.  Probably could have hit 10's with tuning and slicks.  Anyways, best car ever.  I wish to this day I hadn't sold it but life made me do it.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 17:12 | 5142075 BlindMonkey
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Life is a dick.

Mine was a T-Top too. Never raced it. I ran out of gas more times in that car. The gauge was not accurate and the fuel economy varied WILDLY based on how you drove it that tank. :). Good times.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:30 | 5138987 nobodyimportant
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Really?  Where did you find that?  China will design their software to suit their needs just as the west has done.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:06 | 5139112 Yen Cross
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 Wipe your eyes "sleapy head". I've already discussed Chinisms,( technology theft) on another thread.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 11:32 | 5140670 Eyjafjallajökull
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It does not have to! :)

It swears there are no American backdoors in it, which happens to be the set goal! 

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 14:04 | 5141285 gigaweb
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Even if there are, I have a feeling I'd rather have the Chinese spy on me than the NSA.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 01:19 | 5139380 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Sanctions or not this one has been in the works for awhile now.

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/ubuntu-to-become-the-official-os-of-c...

And of course look who is positioned to make a mint off this move.

http://www.zdnet.com/hp-targets-chinas-post-xp-crowd-with-ubuntu-kylin-7...

I'm sure they will be asked to pay their fair share by the IRS come 2015.

For the cellphones

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/01/china-builds-own-p...

Thing is their variation is going to be closed source and knowing the chinese they will rip off the opensource code to base it around while violating gpl licenses in the process. That is how they roll just like all them H1B code monkeys who work down on wall street passing off opensource code as their own for custom applications.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 07:18 | 5139706 ombudsmanrules
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Windows ??  Surely the Chinese aren't that silly.  The source code will be straight out of the Linux repo with some Chinese additions.  Here - you can take a look at it.

https://github.com/torvalds/linux

 

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:51 | 5138859 NYPoke
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Hacking & Systems Development are totally different areas.  I'm sure they have the people to do it though.

 

Not really that hard to build a system.  They could go Linux based & be up and running before too long, if they don't hire the Obamacare people to do it.

 

The real issue is in the applications.  Given the situation, I'm sure they could make it Microsoft & Apple compatible, 'cause nobody can sue them.  As always, the first version will be "limited" and have problems.

 

$20 says it can still be hacked & their own government builds in spy software though.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:05 | 5138915 LasVegasDave
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ignorant peons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxLe8MWdWe0

 

Probably stole the whole kit and kaboodle from MSFT, ORCL and APPL

goddamned savages

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:16 | 5138953 FeralSerf
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"There are many humorous things in the world: among them the white man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages." -- Mark Twain

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:20 | 5138967 LasVegasDave
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Sorry; meant to say the Mossad/Larry Silverstein/Moe Howard/Cap Weinberger/etc... stole it for the Chinese, and the shekels are in a bank in Tel Aviv

Fixed it for the new ZH audience

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:07 | 5139116 ThroxxOfVron
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What kind of heathen leaves Jerry Lewis off of a list like that?

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:11 | 5139128 espirit
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Do we really have to spell it all out?

I kinda liked the red ones when it goes over their head, no?

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:21 | 5139154 nmewn
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Yeah well, socialists-commies never have had a sense of humor, so it does have to be spelled out.

Just not that quickly, the pause in comedy/sarcasm adds to the punchline...lol.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:46 | 5139219 Freddie
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Dave just be patient.  Monday morning will come soon enough so you can go to Bank America and get your free bagels and coffee.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 06:29 | 5139654 Majestic12
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LVD...milk out the nose, convulsing on the floor...."pooped a little"...

+1

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:45 | 5139217 Supafly
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What's going to happen when there is no intellectual property left for them to steal?

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:46 | 5138841 Radical Marijuana
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The NSA delivered the ability to justify this on a silver platter to all other countries that could!

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:14 | 5139135 mvsjcl
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The fact that no other country in the Western world followed the same route speaks volumes about who the governments really work for.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:46 | 5138844 IronShield
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Bless their little hearts, but yeah, no.  That will be one fuster cluck of a system.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:54 | 5138874 Carpenter1
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I'll be a buyer, even if I have to pay $50 for shipping. Anything to speed the demise of the USSA

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:00 | 5138896 IronShield
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Hell, just grab a copy of Ubuntu for free and you're good to go.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:01 | 5139098 CH1
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Ubuntu is sucking up to Google. Move to Mint on your next machine.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 01:24 | 5139402 Yen Cross
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 I'm slowly switching my trading platforms to linux, Using genome ubuntu/

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:47 | 5138847 himaroid
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Cali quaking again.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:14 | 5139133 espirit
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If it falls into the ocean, Nevada can build solar de-sal plants.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:47 | 5138848 q99x2
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Fuck Yah.

I've been waiting for the tech companies to fall because of their cooperation with the NSA and because of their monopoly for soo long now.

The pharmaceutical patents, the hardware patents burn them all down.  Welcome to the decline of the NWO Ban Monsanto products next M'Fers.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:58 | 5138891 Skateboarder
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A full dismantling of all the gayass systems that inhibit true creativity and productivity.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:06 | 5138921 The_Prisoner
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hear, hear! The future is Open Source EverythingTM (just kidding)

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:49 | 5138854 CynicLaureate
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Do they plan to steal from Microsoft or Apple or will they violate the Copyleft clause of Linux?

 

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:51 | 5138864 garypaul
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What they make can't be any worse than Windows. I've already re-booted 6 times tonight. And I f*cking hate MS Word.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:05 | 5138918 IronShield
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Re-booted 6 times?  Uh, Windows 95 has been discontinued for a long fucking time now.  Maybe that's yer problem?

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:54 | 5139069 S.N.A.F.U.
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My (Vista) box is currently at 29.7 days since last reboot.  (And that reboot was only because I did a "windows update" which requires a reboot to actually go into effect.)

That uptime though isn't because windows is great, but because I use "Task Manager" (ctrl-shift-esc) to clean up errant processes (iexplore likes to leak processes all the time) and to know which programs are leaking memory and need to be shut down (because they're written like shit and don't reclaim their memory even after you close all their tabs -- I'm looking at you firefox you piece of crap single-cpu-core wonder).  Without such cleanup, it's possible for my box to go to hell (page file much larger than physical memory == PC slower than a crawl) in a very short period of time.  (And besides memory they like to leak "cpu" as well -- nothing but static pages open and they'll be maxing out one of my CPU cores.)

Browsers sucking up 100+ MB just to show me a text page with a few small embedded images is just bullshit.  Leave a browser tab open on some sites and they will just leak memory over time continuously until that same page is costing you 1+ GB of memory.  It doesn't take too many of those before your average PC becomes so unresponsive it's pretty much useless (and in that situation even using task-manager to clean things up can be a pain in the ass, so watch that page file size on the task-manager "performance" tab and act pre-emptively).

(Also, task-manager itself is pretty lame -- one task I commonly face is "find processes that are no longer associated with an application so I can fry their ass", and there's no efficient way to do that.  You have to use "go to process" to find the application->process association and then use elimination to figure out which processes are rogue.  I should probably see if there's a better process manager app available...)

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:17 | 5139141 espirit
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Yup, Vista is a real POS.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:59 | 5138889 IronShield
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Steal?  Sheet; that's the only way they function.  The West, and especially the US, have squandered their intellectual advantages for short-term gain.  The only way out of this is to effectively withdraw from the global market.  Until the dollar fails, this will not be possible.  Hopefully that will happen sooner than later.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:52 | 5139239 CynicLaureate
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Looks like three people from China read my comment.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:49 | 5138856 bugsmashers
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I can't wait to try Chinux 1.0.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:02 | 5138907 DarthVaderMentor
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You could be right, but Linux is an aging OS. I'll bet it won't be UNIX based at all.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:52 | 5138866 Lucifer618
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Yo, a little much for basket case China. Why create when the Chinese are the copy-cat kings of the world.  Really, there is way too much hipe about the chinese--criminals, really, that have only been able to copy others.  It's not just the US that is in a world a shit.  China and the rest of the world are playng in the some world of shit. 

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:38 | 5139008 therevolutionwas
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Yeah, but it's all created and backed by the US dollar shit.  The gold and silver has been going east for a long time now.  The US will be working for China some day.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:42 | 5139018 Freddie
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Oh F Silicon Valley and Seattle and Austin. F USSA spyware shit technology.

How can the Chinese be anymore evil than Google, Facebook, Apple and the rest?  Fewer and fewer coprorations and people want Amerikan spy shit software, hardware, cludware or whatever.

America has a lot of good programmers but the Russians can run circles around a lot of them.  If Russia gets their shit really together than look out.  No one wants shit from California with spy ware crap in Silicon Valley and See Eye Aye and liberal propaganda from Hollywood.  What a shithole.

I know people going to hosting in Iceland and other places to get away from Obama's USA.  You sound like an Obama voter and shithead.

The Tyler's should move their hosting to Iceland to get away from Switzerland's PC speech bullshit.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:44 | 5139021 Freddie
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Dupe because Zh is buggy tonight.  Move your hosting to Iceland Tyler to get away from Switzerland's PC speech BS.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:51 | 5138867 disabledvet
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Sure there's no spyware in that package either.

Whenever I think of privacy I know the first word that pops in my head is "China!"

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:55 | 5138876 STG5IVE
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Yeah, but will it have a 'START' button?

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:54 | 5138877 Yen Cross
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 Effin AWEsome! No mas' western credit hedgemony! Eastern ETS will be sweet...

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:55 | 5138880 flyonmywall
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There are plenty of free operating systems out there with whatever pretty shell as a front end. I'm surprised it has taken them this long to actually do anything about it. Of course, the Chinese just "borrow" everything, including the bugs off Cisco router firmware.

Pathetic.

 

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:17 | 5138909 Yen Cross
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 China has already "reverse engineered" everything they need... That PBoC balance sheet is troublesome.

   "CVN 70" is testing weapons off the coast today. She departed S/D and is definitely testing ordinance. I'm on the coast, and can feel the "shock waves" .

 Getting junked for factual news. An Anonomous/ Mouse. I live on the beach you Chink FUCKTARD! I see the ships leving port you fucking IDIOT! I hear the BOOMS you fucking Chink!

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 06:45 | 5139668 goldhedge
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Did you jizz while that shit was going on? Amerika Stronk!

You Faggot.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:06 | 5138892 DarthVaderMentor
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Don't ever underestimate your opponent, especially the Chinese. We last did it with the Japanese and got taught a lesson in a war we almost lost had they not made some mistakes. Frankly, I'm surprised it's taken the Chinese this long to come out with a competing OS. Once it's out and working, it's curtains for US technology markets overseas. He who controls the OS controls applications development, hardware selection and services, unless of course they can't meet the demand in any one of these areas.  

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:26 | 5138893 SemperFudge
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"But all the talking heads said the world relies on US tech knowledge?"

Um... ACTUALLY, Tyler, the Chinese official in that Reuters article you quoted said PRECISELY that: "Ni told the trade paper... there was a large gap between China's technology and that of developed countries."

You heard it, folks -- when China ISN'T stealing technology from Microsoft, Google and Apple, they're actually trying to develop some of their own. ROFL.

Good luck China. And so sorry for installing backdoors for the technology WE created. Stealing approximately $250 billion in US technology per year probably isn't getting any easier for you, is it? It must be rough having US assets spy on your spying activities directed against us. Boohoo!

Cry me a river about all those "backdoors" you fucking jackasses. The biggest thing you're worried about is that WE can actually spy on YOUR spying and corporate espionage. Oh, I feels for ya China. I feels.

One of these days maybe China can create its own OS that's actually worthy of the US stealing it! Won't that be the day!

Haaahahahahahaha!

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:21 | 5139157 Freddie
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Silicon Valley voted for this so F em!  They voted Obama, Mike Honda, Pelosi, Boxer and Feinstein. 

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:01 | 5138899 Creepy A. Cracker
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Have these buffoons never heard of Linux?  It is readily available and customizable.  Google took it and made the Android offshoot.  Many, many, derivatives are available. It runs many, if not most, servers.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:34 | 5139003 Rhal
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They already had Red flag linux, and many people who can work with it. Considering that most super computers run linux I'm sure that is the direction China will go. The question is if they will try to convert to Chinese symbols. It would take a lot to rebuild hardware and the compiler to work with such symbols, and it would end up being much less versatile than english has proven to be.

I suspect they will make a closed source version on Linux,, but retain the english coding practice. That would also work for the Russians.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:03 | 5138911 rationale
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The Chinese never pad for windows anyway, so impact on Microsoft is negligible

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:42 | 5139212 agent default
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Microsoft doesn't care if you pay for Windows either.  The OS world is about platform domination not the actual licensing revenue from th OS itself.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 07:13 | 5139692 daedon
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Take a look at their licensing models and read some blogs, for corporate America it borders on extortion. They send in their compliance commandos for show who "always" find the company to be "not" in compliance followed by a hefty licensing bill.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:08 | 5138925 Oxygen
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This is very bullish for American Stock.
Even more then 'De-Escalation'

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:12 | 5138941 kchrisc
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I have a lot of friends that I will need to tell, "I told you so."

Hey Micro$oft, stick that in your Genuine Advantage. LOL

An American, not US subject.

 

 

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:15 | 5138951 AdvancingTime
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Another hard blow to the jaw of America. Too many people it appears a struggle is occurring to unseat America as the worlds most dominate nation. For many proud Americans who see the world from the unenlightened and possibly undefendable position of the United States having a right to be in control it is both threatening and frustrating to see control slip away.

It is threatening to think the country might quickly fall to the position of a second rate power mired in debt with many of the options we have come to see as our right suddenly ripped away. It is frustrating that in many ways the country has become its own worse enemy guilty of political inaction and squandering its power through a series of bad choices and missteps. More on this shift in power and our best response in the article below.

http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/06/americas-struggle-to-stay-on-top....

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:47 | 5139038 Freddie
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Dude the USA is already over.   No one did anything to stop it including the military.  You are way behind the F***king curve. Maybe you are an Obama boy or a lib voter.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 07:08 | 5139690 daedon
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He comes here regularly to try to send traffic to his blog.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:18 | 5138959 mijev
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I have no love of microsoft but if I had to rank the best client operating systems in the last 30 years, I would go with XP, followed by W7. I run linux for some things but it never seems very efficient or exciting, however much hardware I throw at it. OSX never much appealed to me. The OS that held most promise for me was BEOS but I think that died off when Steve Jobs decided against it. I'm guessing the chinese will use linux as a foundation but that would be a shame imo. It's time for something new that matches the pace of hardware development. The latest phones have processors that are an order of magnitude more powerful than PCs from even five years ago but android still trips over itself trying to keep up.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:33 | 5139188 Freddie
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Windows 2000 was not bad and NT Server 4.0 was pretty good.  Still it is all filled with Spyware and so is CrApple's shit.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:34 | 5138991 paperjoe
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In 3-5 years the China OS will just be catching up to where Apple, Google and MS are today. Also, in 3-5 years, Apple (and its unhackable TouchID) will be so far ahead of Google, MS and China's OS's that any business or government looking for security will be using OSX/IOS.

 

The future of secure computing is Apple. The future of mobile commerce is Apple.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:53 | 5139058 Freddie
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Apple is filled with spyware like the rest.  Get a clue you serf.  You must be an Apple employee. I bet 95% of the employees there voted Obama and Limbaugh pimps Apple's crap daily like an idiot.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:34 | 5138993 nah
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the app store will one day rule the world

.

start rolling in your graves bitchez

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:36 | 5139006 Duc888
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"The future of secure computing is Apple. The future of mobile commerce is Apple."

 

Yea, we all know how "secure" a proprietary OS is.  Get a clue.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:45 | 5139026 paperjoe
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OSx, IOS and TouchID have been attacked millions of times but never penetrated. Never. Your "point" is not valid. Get a life.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:49 | 5139085 Freddie
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Apple's crap is stuffed with En Es Aye spy crap.  More and more people around the world do not want that crap. F Apple.  F Silicon Valley.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:02 | 5139102 fel.temp.reparatio
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...you're a little bit behind the times, old son

http://bit.ly/XKZbi7

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 17:56 | 5146843 Me.Grimlock
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This *HAS* to be sarcasm or intentional trolling.

 

As the principal and owner of a company that does hands-on penetration testing for a living, I'm fairly certainly I'm qualified to inform you that you're 100% full of horse shit.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:49 | 5139045 SemperFudge
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Is there a Chinese OS that works better?

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:03 | 5139009 Duc888
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Creepy A. Cracker:"Have these buffoons never heard of Linux?  It is readily available and customizable.  Google took it and made the Android offshoot.  Many, many, derivatives are available. It runs many, if not most, servers."

 

Hell yea, even NSA uses Redhat SE.

 

I prefer Linux Mint.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:44 | 5139024 Duc888
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Teethvillage88 :China is a police State.

95% confidence that new operating system from the China State has Backdoors.

 

like the two .nsa files in windoze?

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/06/microsoft-programmed-in-nsa-backd...

from 'Murica, land of the free....hahahahahahaha

Christ people are delusional.

" careless mistake by Microsoft programmers has revealed that special access codes prepared by the US National Security Agency have been secretly built into Windows. The NSA access system is built into every version of the Windows operating system now in use, except early releases of Windows 95 (and its predecessors). The discovery comes close on the heels of the revelations earlier this year that another US software giant, Lotus, had built an NSA “help information” trapdoor into its Notes system, and that security functions on other software systems had been deliberately crippled.

The first discovery of the new NSA access system was made two years ago by British researcher Dr Nicko van Someren [an expert in computer security]. But it was only a few weeks ago when a second researcher rediscovered the access system. With it, he found the evidence linking it to NSA."

 


Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:44 | 5139029 yogibear
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The US outsourced it's hardware and software. Surprised it didn't happen sooner.

I'm waiting for China to blow away Boeing, GE, etc with regards to civil aviation. All these companies gave away their technology and manufacturing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comac_C919

The Comac C919 is a planned family of 158-174 seat narrow-body airliners to be built by the Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China (Comac).[2][3][4] It will be the largest commercial airliner designed and built in China since the defunct Shanghai Y-10. Its first flight is expected to take place in 2015, with first deliveries scheduled for late 2018.[5]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/26/us-china-aviation-jumbo-idUSBR...

China's jumbo air freighter test flight a success: Xinhua

China is determined to reduce dependency on foreign
firms such as Boeing (BA.N), Airbus EAD.PA,
General Electric (GE.N) and Rolls Royce Plc
(RR.L) for the country's soaring demand
for planes and engines.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:00 | 5139094 Freddie
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Boeing's crap is filled with spyware and dronewear - where the plane can be taken over like Malaysian airliners on a one way trip to Diego Garcia.

Only Lufthansa Boeing jets do not have ground takeover.  The technology is getting worse by the day and it is jammed pack with spyware.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:55 | 5139063 Duc888
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paperjoe:OSx, IOS and TouchID have been attacked millions of times but never penetrated. Never. Your "point" is not valid. Get a life.

 

Google search (through Startpage) is your friend.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/02/20/yes-apple-really-does...

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/06/widespread-computer-virus-indic...

 

"This week, security researchers discovered that a new computer virus had infected half a million Macs — about half of them in the United States. The virus is infesting the computers in the most surreptitious way possible: users need not manually click on any malicious links or manually download any malware to get infected. The program simply downloads itself. Once downloaded, the malware’s creators gain a back door that gives them unauthorized access to the victim’s computer.

“This is the largest scale attack on Mac OS X to date,” said Roel Schouwenberg, a senior researcher at Kaspersky Lab, an antivirus software company, who has analyzed the malware. “And much more sophisticated.”

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 00:01 | 5139248 paperjoe
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Bullshit. Clearly you didn't really read the articles you cited because they only report that an attack(s) occured, which were quickly deteced and made impotent, before there was any leakage to the public. 

 

Again, OSX and IOS suffer millions of attacks but everyone of them have been quickly deteced and defeated.

 

I challenge you to show me proof where where a large number of infected OSX or IOS devices has caused widespread damage even remotely equal towhat we've seen in the MS/Android world.

 

The future of mobile and mobile security is IOS and TouchID.

 

Buy some AAPL and go play golf you moron.

 

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 06:59 | 5139682 daedon
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Your highly emotional response reflects Apples marketing success, turning a computer brand into religion.

 

Android is Linux with a Java GUI and IOS is BSD Unix with Java GUI, they are both as secure as Java, which needs to plug security holes on a daily basis.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:57 | 5139082 Duc888
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Windoze 8  The virus masquerading as an operating system.

 

http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/08/22/nsa-windows-8-exploit/

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:02 | 5139101 QQQBall
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The Chinese will learn how to say Brue Scleen!

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:08 | 5139123 Yen Cross
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 I like <equilibrium>

  Every faction has it's faults/

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 00:26 | 5139130 ThroxxOfVron
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Watching this go down is gonna be loads of fun!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5EqsLGY960

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:13 | 5139134 reader2010
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Of course, China only takes RMB for its new OS.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:31 | 5139183 NoWayJose
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Designing an operating system to do basic tasks is very very simple. The challenge has been that software developers and hardware/chip makers have always been pushing the envelope forward -- often by wanting more control over a device. This helps the invention of new genres of software, new apps, and faster computing. It also opens up the device to spyware, NSA software, hackers, etc. The dilemma for China is whether to keep their software clean and with robust hacker protection - or whether to try to be on the leading edge of new technology and features. For China, there is also a strong desire to do the same thing US companies do -- let the government spy! And if the Chinese government builds in back doors, it will only be a short while later until others find and use the backdoors. Chi a has plenty of engineers - what they need is a Bill Gates or Steve Jobs to say "I want it to do this and I want it to look like this". Any attempt at a consensus operating system designed by dozens of companies will fail.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:39 | 5139202 Freddie
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China really needs a clueless but technically smart Xerox PARC in Palo Alto like company.  

Then China needs two slimy Chinamen in the mould of Steve Jobs and Bill Gates can rip them off and call it their GUI interface.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:38 | 5139198 Duc888
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China could start here......I always got a kick outta DSL.

http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/

 

50 mb.

 

DSL has a nearly complete desktop, and a tiny core of command line tools. All applications have been chosen for the best balance of functionality, size and speed. Damn Small also has the ability to act as an SSH/FTP/HTTPD server right off of a live CD. In our quest to save space and have a fully functional desktop we've made many GUI administration tools which are fast yet still easy to use. What does DSL have?

XMMS (MP3, CD Music, and MPEG), FTP client, Dillo web browser, Netrik web browser, FireFox, spreadsheet, Sylpheed email, spellcheck (US English), a word-processor (Ted), three editors (Beaver, Vim, and Nano [Pico clone]), graphics editing and viewing (Xpaint, and xzgv), Xpdf (PDF Viewer), emelFM (file manager), Naim (AIM, ICQ, IRC), VNCviwer, Rdesktop, SSH/SCP server and client, DHCP client, PPP, PPPoE (ADSL), a web server, calculator, generic and GhostScript printer support, NFS, Fluxbox and JWM window managers, games, system monitoring apps, a host of command line tools, USB support, and pcmcia support, some wireless support.

 

 

 

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:41 | 5139206 Spungo
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I'm excited to see the Chinese push toward Linux. Once a billion people support something, it'll have better libraries and better tools to find all of the components needed before compiling.
It'll be nice to see Russia use Linux too.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:58 | 5139249 sid farkas
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let me guess "rinux"

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 01:41 | 5139419 teslaberry
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oh man, you beat me to it. but maybe it's 'chindows'.  or píng gu?, which means 'apple'. 

 

i like ping guo. apple can suck their little chinese dicks. all 600 million of them!. fuck you ping guo. i mean , apple. i mean, i mafa;j i mean...

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 00:28 | 5139303 ToNYC
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Microsoft could lose their one sale in China per year.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 00:45 | 5139332 Bear
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We could give them DOS ... it was a good starting point for us

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 01:18 | 5139394 Jano
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CHina should move away from the IANA and networking of TCP/IP to something, what will work on totally other principle, then IP.
ANd use their HW fr networking, strictly banning CISCOs JUNIPErs and other "western" networking equipment.
Then they could take a plane Linux with the new networking stack&removing the existing networking out of linux.
Then they could develop, if they wish soething , like Linux.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 01:26 | 5139403 Quaderratic Probing
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And they will create it on Microsoft software good ruk keeping secrets.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 01:27 | 5139407 dumbStruck
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If the Chinese were smart they'd pick up the baton of freedom the west has dropped. They would become what the U.S.A. had long bragged it was, a bastion of freedom and human rights. They'd develop a secure open source OS that everyone would want, they'd develop  a form of currency that was gold like in it's quality if not actually gold based. Perhaps some open source online currency like bitcoin but better and backed up with gold ? The world will never be ruled by force, it's a Chinese saying that once the army has passed the weeds sprout. Which is a perfect description of the hopelessness of current U.S. policy in the middle east. If the Chinese want to rule the world then they must lead it, that cannot be done by force but only by proverbial example. So spying en mass on everyone, stripping people of their human rights, turning the greater part of the earth into a poverty stricken slum, while a few elite live off the fat of the land, those sort of things are out. I think the only way to the top by any country is when every other nation is following by choice, a choice which must be inspired in large part by admiration. Nations which behave horribly are not admired. All make mistakes occassionally, speak or act without thinking carefully but ultimately there is no hiding your nature it starts to show. People or nations begin to shun other people or nations which are stumbling in the dark.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 03:10 | 5139491 suckerfishzilla
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China however is completely innocent of espionage. http://techcrunch.com/2014/05/12/nsa-allegedly-intercepts-shipments-of-s...

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 04:46 | 5139567 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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NSA free. Good luck with that.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 04:50 | 5139572 Aussiekiwi
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lets see, 300,000,000 in the US, 1.3 billion or something in China, US market is completely flooded, don't like Microsofts growth path if China develops its own operating system, Microsoft might want to have another look at their growth expectations  for the future.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 05:41 | 5139609 onmail
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Thumbs Up

Thats great , the western digital hegemoney must end.

America is the chief pirate , with UK the parrot on its shoulder and other west + aus +jap are only its poodles. Their only aim is to steal resources of other nations while they develop the means enabling to do so such as internet and dollar (& Euro ). 

I advice China to develop it well alongwith a strong encryption system with at least 2000 bits which even the most advanced computer cannot crack. All network communication must remain encrypted. Developing office s/w such as word, excel, powerpoint is hardly a problem with todays programmers. Anyway the Microsoft & Google's s/w were designed by programmers from India , China etc. Asian countries.  

Thumbs up to BRIC , save your resources , dont sell cheap to western pirates who are only wolves in sheepskin. 

BTW in the mean time, China & Russia should develop free encryption s/w and provide free VPN service which is encrypted to 2000 bits or more. 

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 05:58 | 5139623 smacker
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The cheapest and quickest thing for China to do is produce a version of Linux that is "ready for prime time", something that no Linux distribution has achieved in the West whatever Linux advocates say.

Such an OS would be far easier to port to SmartPhones and laptops etc.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 07:38 | 5139738 redd_green
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That's just what they did: take something that works, and put a chinese byline on it.  (Oh, and load it with builtin spyware.)

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 08:49 | 5139917 Zeta Reticuli
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I have been using LinuxMint exclusively on all my machines for a few years now, and it is definitely ready for "prime time".

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 06:33 | 5139655 Chuck Knoblauch
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Bill Gates would love to vaccinate 1 billion Chinese with Polio.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 06:46 | 5139670 daedon
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I'm sure he'd like to vaccinate everyone on ZH too.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 06:48 | 5139672 hedgiex
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They know that they cannot match the software tech gears from  the West. This is an excuse with after NSA ro keep MS & Others out of their markets until they begin to mfg in China like Lockheed with tech transfers. Need to feed a growing mass of techies that they produce.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 07:37 | 5139736 redd_green
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From the country that brought is melamine (poisoned baby food, lead paint and arsenic in children's toys, all kinds of consumer products that fall apart just before the warranty expires, we get:  Chinese operating system with built in spyware!     Heh, jeez I can't WAIT to get the new fooyang operating system on MY computer!

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 08:38 | 5139891 Ban KKiller
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Chinese software will be a river of dead pigs. Secretive because they are corrupt. Mass produced @malware.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 09:30 | 5140084 Duc888
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Zeta Reticuli: I have been using LinuxMint exclusively on all my machines for a few years now, and it is definitely ready for "prime time".

 

I agree, my old crap PC launched last week (extremely harsh dusty enviroment), I was running LINUX MINT 13 on it for years...it was a POS I built from scrap...served me well...

 

I ordered a barebones kit for a PC from a well known Pc supplier, took all the pieces, assembled the PC and loaded LINUX MINT 17 (mate) in 52 minutes.  I timed myself just for the fun of it.

 

Totally ready for prime time .

 

Some one earler in the thread called me a moron, ok so I guess this proves a moron can build a PC and install linux....it couldn't be easier.  

 

;)

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 09:54 | 5140237 glossolalia
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I guess this means they've finally stolen all the source code they need to cobble together their own.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 20:38 | 5173759 Duc888
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Yup, them Ifags sure got some damned good security....

 

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