China Plans To Unveil Domestic "Operating System" In October

Tyler Durden's picture

With Russia pushing to end its government's dependency on Microsoft's Operating System, it is perhaps not surprising (especially following the various raids that have been undertaken) that another BRICS member, as Reuters reports, China could have a new homegrown operating system by October to take on imported rivals such as Microsoft, Google, and Apple, Xinhua news agency said on Sunday. A spokesperson stated, China hoped domestically built software would be able to replace desktop operating systems within one to two years and mobile operating systems within three to five years.


As Reuters reports, China could have a new homegrown operating system by October...

Computer technology became an area of tension between China and the United States after a number of run-ins over cyber security. China is now looking to help its domestic industry catch up with imported systems such as Microsoft's Windows and Google's mobile operating system Android.


The operating system would first appear on desktop devices and later extend to smartphone and other mobile devices, Xinhua said, citing Ni Guangnan who heads an official OS development alliance established in March.


Ni's comments were originally reported by the People's Post and Telecommunications News, an official trade paper run by the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology (MIIT).


"We hope to launch a Chinese-made desktop operating system by October supporting app stores," Ni told the trade paper. Some Chinese OS already existed, but there was a large gap between China's technology and that of developed countries, he added.


He said he hoped domestically built software would be able to replace desktop operating systems within one to two years and mobile operating systems within three to five years.

Of course this is no sudden decision as said in May China said that “governments and enterprises of a few
countries” are taking advantage of their monopoly status and
technological edge to collect sensitive information.

In May, China banned government use of Windows 8, Microsoft's latest operating system, a blow to the U.S. technology firm's business which raised fears China was moving to protect domestic firms. Microsoft is also under investigation for anti-trust violations.

In March last year, China said that Google had too much control over China's smartphone industry via its Android mobile operating system and has discriminated against some local firms.

Mutual suspicions between China and the United States over hacking have escalated over the past year following revelations by Edward Snowden that U.S. intelligence planted "backdoor" surveillance tools on U.S.-made hardware.

The U.S. Justice Department, meanwhile, indicted five Chinese military officers in May on counts of extensive industrial espionage.

Ni said the ban on Windows 8 was a big opportunity for the Chinese sector to push forward its own systems, but that the industry needed further development and investment.

"Creating an environment that allows us to contend with Google, Apple and Microsoft - that is the key to success," he added.

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So Jack Lew promised no impact on the US economy from Russian sanctions and President Obama has, we are sure, calmed everyone's fears over NSA spying...? But all the talking heads said the world relies on US tech knowledge?

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zorba THE GREEK's picture

Chinese hackers are among the best in the world, so they should be pretty good

at developing a network operating system.

Vampyroteuthis infernalis's picture

Mmmmmm, let me see. The new Chinese OS has 90 % commonality with Windows 7 minus all the bugs, virus vulnerabilities and is NSA free. Where did they get the source code from?

NoDebt's picture

And the Chinese government SWEARS there will be no embedded back doors or spyware.  Pinkie swear.

ACP's picture

Nope, no automatic credit card number capture or login info capture or anything insidious like that. Oh no.

Publicus's picture

Get ready, for the Chinese century.

TeethVillage88s's picture

China is a police State.

95% confidence that new operating system from the China State has Backdoors.

ZerOhead's picture

Speaking of 'back doors'... Windows was obviously a very carefully selected and most appropriate name for their operating system.

Who would have thought when it was first released that the windows were actually for looking in...

swmnguy's picture

95%?  You're a raving optimist.

TeethVillage88s's picture

Plus or minus 3 Standard Deviations bitch.

Gaius Frakkin' Baltar's picture

Yeah, but...

An American using this OS is outside the jurisdiction of the Chinese government. Also, it will be a giant obstacle for the NSA, so there will be an advantage for some to use it. No thanks though, I'll stick with Linux.

gatorboat's picture

Yes, there are several good open source distros of Linux and Unix for the PC platform China could choose from.   I like PCLinuxOS, been running it almost a year now, highly recommended migration path from Win7 over to Linux, moderate learning curve well within skills of Win7 power users, 2,300 open source app repository, etc.  Only thing I go back to Win7 for now is cad.  Have CDs for OpenBSD (Unix), excited about trying it out.

Linux and Unix are no longer dull looking character-based "command line" OSs like DOS6.  They've "grown up" into the GUI world, pretty impressive now.   But command line capabilities are still there for long time Linux/Unix users.

I suspect Chinese people are just as computer savvy as Americans, maybe more so.  It's likely many Chinese have already moved over to Linux/Unix.

Rootin' for Putin's picture

Every single linux that i have tried that has been touted as the best linux for windows users, has been a royal pain in the ass that didnt recognize something and needed cmd line to install or fix or whatever.  I dont do cmd line.  Until linux is plug and play everything its not going to get morons like me and the rest of the windows/apple world to convert.

IronForge's picture

Try Ubuntu.

They tend to provide coordinated community and distributor help; and they have some "extra" services as well.

They're probably one of the most end-user (non-Unix/Linux Geek) friendly Distros out there.

Most CDs/DVDs are Live OS environments, so you can "Try out an OS environment".  It's a bit slow in this fashion, so if you have 6GBs or more of RAM, you can boot the OS into RAM - if you are willing to append a single word near the end of the generic boot line presented. 

You just: Hit "F6" and ESC as the initial logo comes on, get onto the boot command line dialog, hit the cursor-left key from the far right, and type "toram" to the left the endline "--" to boot the entire OS and Apps onto RAM.

If they ask to install, just cancel, and it should revert to the LiveOS mode (a little bug on the daily build of the future realease version - too lazy to see it it's still Alpha or move to Beta Phase - I'm here on ZH before Supper).  If not, make sure the boot dialogue has the selector on "Try Ubuntu" instead of "Install" Ubuntu.

Another fun thing?  You can install in an USB, so you can take it with you, and boot it in a USB Boot Capable Machine (power down, insert USB, power up) for some privacy (checking webmail/email from work, etc).  If you're looking for a bit more privacy, TAILS (a more secure distro - slower web due to using anonymous TOR Network) is available.   

Back to the Thread, the CHNese were working on a AsiaLinux (Asianix or something similar, IIRC) - a Far Eastern Linux Consortium a few years ago.  Didn't take off real well. 

Perhaps by building their own OS, the CHNese will control the whole Operation, instead of having the NSA breathing down their neck (even the founder of OpenBSD allegedly did some work for the USA.Gov Types. 

Thanks, NSA!!!

gatorboat's picture

I have "Damn Small Linux" bootable from USB drive.  It's rudimentary, but cute!

Oh yes, "Damn Small Linux" is one of many Linux distros.  And yes Ubuntu is one of the most popular.  I tried it and didn't like the desktop look.  Way different from Win7.  PCLinuxOS is way closer to Win7, even has taskbar and start button at the bottom in the default KDE desktop.  Yes you can choose among desktop environments.  KDE, LXE, etc.  KDE is full blown, it has everything you can imagine.

Jumbotron's picture

"Try Ubuntu"


I have used for several years various forms of Linux.  And yes, it is still not plug and play in the same way as WinBlows and Crapple.  I've used Red Hat, CentOs, Fedora, openSuse, and Ubuntu. 

ands down the easiest, closest to plug and play distribution I've ever used is Linux Mint with the KDE gui.  Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu.  Most Windows like experience for Windows users looking to jump to Linux and the easiest to set up.  It is what Ubuntu should be.


gatorboat's picture

Suit yourself.

More I discover about PCLinuxOS more fascinated I am.  It's amazing what this OS does. 

Correction to earlier comment:  13,650 open source app repository.   I have 2,350 installed.

Yes that counts all the OS modules, OS libraries, app libraries, and other dependencies, which are automatically installed/updated with OS/app install/update.

The RPM (package manager) runs rings around windows update, updating the OS and installed apps automatically.  It's flat out amazing.

Only thing I've really had to do command line (in terminal) is scan all the wifi routers within range finding out what channel they're broadcasting on so I could set my wifi router to an unused channel, and it started working 500% faster.

How did I scan all the wifi routers?  Simple little command line utility called "iwlist" (running in terminal mode).  Gave all sorts of details about each router my laptop can "hear".

Linux has hundreds of these neat utilities.  I find new ones all the time.

And there's enormous amounts of information on the internet about installing and running these various Linux distros.  The Linux community is massive.

Oh, one more thing, I have Win7 and PCLinuxOS running dual boot on my laptop.   Can boot into either one no problem.

Oh, one more thing.   Most web servers run Linux or Unix.  Much better security than Windows.

daemon's picture

".... 2,300 open source app repository, etc.  "

Haven't you forgotten a 0, here ?


" Only thing I go back to Win7 for now is cad. "

Depending on what you mean by cad, you have interesting possibilities with free software.


" Linux and Unix are no longer dull looking character-based "command line" OSs like DOS6." 

I don't see anything dull in the cli, and no it's not like DOS6, it's like unix in the most traditional way.


" They've "grown up" into the GUI world, pretty impressive now. "

Actually they have been growing up into the GUI world for about 30 years now.


" But command line capabilities are still there for long time Linux/Unix users.  "

No, no, cli capabilities are still here because I don't have to spend 5-10 minutes clicking/double-clicking tens of times through multiple windows, to do simple tasks/configurations that are done in less than a minute with the cli . 


Sorry, I have just been reading your 2:44 comment now.

gatorboat's picture

"No, no, cli capabilities are still here because I don't have to spend ..."

Unix started out as terminal character-based OS, so naturally everything was command line.  Linux is a port of Unix or Unix wana-be, depending on which camp you're in.  Still cli in the beginning as I understand.  So yes, that's where all the cli came from and it's still there naturally.

I was a cli diehard.  They had to "drag me kicking and screaming" away from DOS6 into Windows.  So I like having cli available when, like you, I want to do something gui apps don't do well, like iwlist for example.   But as time goes along there's less and less gui apps don't do well.  Linux app dev community is rocking along, perhaps partly because they know Linux gui apps have to be as good or better than Win apps to really draw people away from Windows, and it appears PCLinux is aimed specifically at drawing people away from Win7. 

And yes I realize Linux gui front ends (KDE, LXE, etc) have been around a while.  I looked at it 5 yrs ago.  Biggest hold-up IMO is getting it all packaged in something easy to install for a Windows person, especially things like recognizing and configuring your wifi card automagically like Windows install does.  Recognizing and configuring hardware during install has been the big push in recent years it seems.  Yes a good Unix/Linux cli person can do it manually.  But Windows users don't have that knowledge, nor the patience for it, so they have to make the install process do it like Windows does. 

Yes, I would like to know more about Linux cad apps.  I'm running DesignSpark (Spaceclaim) in Win7.  Don't see where they have Linux version, especially rpm (or debian) distro.  Haven't tried running Win version in Linux VM, don't think I have processor power for it.


daemon's picture

" And yes I realize Linux gui front ends (KDE, LXE, etc) have been around a while. "

I was actually refering to X11:

the server needed by graphical environnments and applications.


" Yes, I would like to know more about Linux cad apps.  "

to get some ideas and descriptions, try this link:

everything you find here is inevitably supported by Linux, of course, either in binary or in sources form . And I guess you will find more for Linux (and more up to date) than what is listed here.

gatorboat's picture

Just the little bit we have discussed here about distros and gui front ends and strange terms like X11 and KDE and package managers etc is enough to frighten away the average Windows user.  

Linux/Unix really is a different world, like migrating from Windows to Mac or migrating to any other OS. It's a sizeable learning curve, even a basic "just get it installed and running Firefox" attempt.  

Is it worth it?  I think so.  To get away from dependency on Windows and MS, yes.

But I really think only "power users" would do it.  People who enjoy exploring a new OS (like me).

Thanks for the link to BSD cad.  If I can find a good 3D solid design package I'll give it a whirl.  Learning curve there too.  No two cads are alike.

Any tips going from Linux to BSD, which I hope to do soon?



daemon's picture

" I'm running DesignSpark (Spaceclaim) in Win7.  Don't see where they have Linux version, especially rpm (or debian) distro. "

According to this page :

there is no Linux version of the program. But you can run it on Wine (Windows emulator) . I'm not sure that necessarily works great though. And it is a pcb layout program only, seemingly.



Apparently there are several equivalent programs of what you are looking for, for Linux :



" Any tips going from Linux to BSD, which I hope to do soon? "

Sorry, not really. Depending on what you want to do, maybe I would advise you to stick to Linux. In terms of performance, hardware support, and software possibilities, you have probably nothing to gain by switching to any BSD.

CH1's picture

Wouldn't be surprised if it was an adaptation of Linux.

Global Observer's picture

Of course, it will be a flavour of Linux. There is no other way they will be able to release an OS in such a short time. Sometime ago India released its own flavour of Linux.

Kirk2NCC1701's picture

Look at the bright side.  If they try to sell it, at least it won't need AV/anti-malware SW to protect it from Chinese and N. Korean hackers who are trying to inject and spread malware.

You'll only have to worry about NSA hackers injecting malware.  Close call... what a relief.  ;-)

Confused's picture

Perhaps some of the older (age-wise) or more well read posters can correct me if I'm wrong. But hasn't this happened a million times in the past (admittedly with different tech/players)?

This is the type of event that turns big business (the same who profited from State favors) against the State (the SAME group who supplied said favors) because of the threat of loss in market share? 

If this gets legs under it, we will no doubt see huge tech companies calling on the US government for reforms to policy, or outright disowning them. 

Majestic12's picture

"Yeah, but..."

Ahh, refreshing wisdom....

Kirk2NCC1701's picture

Only a 95% (2 sigma)? Pessimist.

I have 3 sigma confidence.

Majestic12's picture

"Only a 95% (2 sigma)"

I see your "Only a 95% (2 sigma)" ...and raise you a Six Sigma Black Belt....and PMP....

karutzar's picture

Can you please replace "China" with USA in your sentence? It'll be more close to the truth.

As for the backdoor - MS and Apple is fused with backdoor since their early beginning. In fact these OS is based on Unix.

Majestic12's picture


Windoze (aka shitflakes) is in no way "based on UNIX" was designed to be an "alternaitve" to UNIX for the military....which soundly rejected it "because" of the HAL "backdoor" architecture....

So, it was quickly "re-marketed" to be the "collector" central hydra platform for all the little automoton otherwords today's "internet"....

Furthermore, OS X "is" a UNIX kernel....(full BSD UNIX)...many LINUX programs run fine on OS X...even more with a little tweaking....

UNIX (including OS X) can be buttoned down tight.

sleigher's picture

Maybe he is referring to NTFS.  There were DEC engineers who were hired by MS to work on NTFS.  But yeah, windows is not based on unix.  Best quote ever...

Windows --32 bit extensions on top of a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition.  

Art Bahrs

The_Dude's picture

Hope they don't plan on making money from it because no one pays for SW in Asia anyway...

Kirk2NCC1701's picture

Instead of Ubuntu, I respectfully suggest they call it FUTU (officially pronounced Footoo, but popularly as Fut-U).

Yen Cross's picture

 How's that " Grand National" restoration coming. I saw a couple of PUNK kids driving one like taxi today! It disgusted me!

  The Buick " Grand National" is a beautiful simplistic definition of American "nuts and bolts"  Ingenuity!

BlindMonkey's picture

I owned one and it was my favorite car by a mile. It was also the worst car too, well, as a car. The GM G-body was just terrible. There were pictures of GN racers that ripped the roof sheet metal by the b pillars. That is a lot of flex.

Yen Cross's picture

 Great simple turbocharged V-6 rocket!

sleigher's picture

I had one as well.  Although mine was t-tops :(

I did get it into the low 11's.  Probably could have hit 10's with tuning and slicks.  Anyways, best car ever.  I wish to this day I hadn't sold it but life made me do it.

BlindMonkey's picture

Life is a dick.

Mine was a T-Top too. Never raced it. I ran out of gas more times in that car. The gauge was not accurate and the fuel economy varied WILDLY based on how you drove it that tank. :). Good times.

nobodyimportant's picture

Really?  Where did you find that?  China will design their software to suit their needs just as the west has done.

Yen Cross's picture

 Wipe your eyes "sleapy head". I've already discussed Chinisms,( technology theft) on another thread.

Eyjafjallajökull's picture

It does not have to! :)

It swears there are no American backdoors in it, which happens to be the set goal! 

gigaweb's picture

Even if there are, I have a feeling I'd rather have the Chinese spy on me than the NSA.

Dewey Cheatum Howe's picture

Sanctions or not this one has been in the works for awhile now.

And of course look who is positioned to make a mint off this move.

I'm sure they will be asked to pay their fair share by the IRS come 2015.

For the cellphones

Thing is their variation is going to be closed source and knowing the chinese they will rip off the opensource code to base it around while violating gpl licenses in the process. That is how they roll just like all them H1B code monkeys who work down on wall street passing off opensource code as their own for custom applications.

ombudsmanrules's picture

Windows ??  Surely the Chinese aren't that silly.  The source code will be straight out of the Linux repo with some Chinese additions.  Here - you can take a look at it.


NYPoke's picture

Hacking & Systems Development are totally different areas.  I'm sure they have the people to do it though.


Not really that hard to build a system.  They could go Linux based & be up and running before too long, if they don't hire the Obamacare people to do it.


The real issue is in the applications.  Given the situation, I'm sure they could make it Microsoft & Apple compatible, 'cause nobody can sue them.  As always, the first version will be "limited" and have problems.


$20 says it can still be hacked & their own government builds in spy software though.

LasVegasDave's picture

ignorant peons


Probably stole the whole kit and kaboodle from MSFT, ORCL and APPL

goddamned savages

FeralSerf's picture

"There are many humorous things in the world: among them the white man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages." -- Mark Twain

LasVegasDave's picture

Sorry; meant to say the Mossad/Larry Silverstein/Moe Howard/Cap Weinberger/etc... stole it for the Chinese, and the shekels are in a bank in Tel Aviv

Fixed it for the new ZH audience