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Russia Asks If America Is Still Fit To "Participate In Solving International Problems"

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Yesterday it was China slamming America's superpower status (and thus dollar reserve currency status) when in Sina News it stated the following:

Their various reconnaissance aircraft have been wandering around foreign airspace for decades and watching the military secrets of other countries like a disgusting thief spying over his neighbor’s fence. However, when the neighbor comes back with a big stick, the thief will turn tail and run away, blaming the neighbor.

 

When you show people weakness, they will bully you. When you show people strength, they will respect you.

 

We [the newspaper] believe the Chinese Air Force and Naval aviation should maintain a high level of vigilence and morale in southeast coastal region to prevent the further US action.

 

America has lost face and does not want to show the world they are sick. They have been lording over other countries for so long, and they will never let it go after they eat this loss.

Now it is Russia's turn, whose Ministry of Foreign Affairs issued a statement on Friday, following the UN's delay in adopting a statement calling for a ceasefire in Ukraine after the US once again opposed Russia, which claimed among other things that "if the US opposes an absolutely non-confrontational, reconciliatory text, there can be no doubts that Washington intends to have the armed confrontation in Ukraine continued. It could be seen only as an attempt to ‘undermine’ the humanitarian mission." A mission which Russia greenlighted despite stern US opposition, and also concluded without incident as we reported yesterday, when the convoy returned to Russia after a brief stay in east Ukraine.  
 
Moscow believes that such policy is hypocritical, the ministry added. Of course, if indeed the Ukraine economic crisis is the direct result of US and CIA meddling as the Victoria Nuland intercepted recording validates, then Russia has every right to such an opinion.

The punchline:

"Cynical disregard for the fate of civilians and 'couldn't care less' attitude toward the international humanitarian law when it comes to geopolitical interests, becomes the core of the policy of the United States and its European satellites regarding Ukrainian," the statement read.

"More and more questions are being raised about the ability of the current US administration to participate in the development of realistic and pragmatic approaches to international problems, to adequately assess the situation in the various regions of the world," the Russia Foreign Ministry noted.

One wonders if based on his recent track record in the international arena, the president of the US wouldn't agree.

President Barack Obama, left, bumps fists with Cyrus Walker, right, cousin
of White House senior adviser Valerie Jarrett, as Glenn Hutchins, center,
looks on while golfing at Vineyard Golf Club

 

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Sun, 08/24/2014 - 14:11 | 5137405 Budd aka Sidewinder
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If the 'international problems' relate to the rules of golf then YES!

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 14:13 | 5137411 remain calm
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obama is an ass hat.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 14:18 | 5137425 linniepar
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Just expose the club already and let us move on from this fucking hell of a tyrannical state.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 14:21 | 5137434 Richard Chesler
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In Golf We Trust.

 

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 14:28 | 5137448 Manthong
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“Fit To "Participate In Solving International Problems" “ ?

If the solution is killing millions and plundering resources for the benefit of  a small group of international financial elite, well yes, of course.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 14:47 | 5137509 smlbizman
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only an asshole would wear shorts on a golf course......caddyshack much nigga.....

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 15:02 | 5137537 Publicus
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.Putin to the NWO: Checkmate.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 15:32 | 5137626 Divided States ...
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I wonder how much money the US taxpayers are doling out for each time Barry has a round of golf. Look at the entourage of agents and bodyguards that has to protect Obama each and every week he has to set foot on a golf course.

 

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 19:37 | 5138459 knukles
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Does the Pope shit in the woods?

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 19:54 | 5138508 toady
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Do bears wear funny hats?

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 20:38 | 5138638 Leonardo Fibonacci2
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Its all about Negro economics, or if you will: Zimbabwe economics & Obama is at home with this type of financial leadership for the USSA.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:00 | 5138898 whotookmyalias
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Russia is only being polite and rhetorical.  Of course the current admistration in incapable of particpating in problem solving. They are too busy purusing their own agenda.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 11:45 | 5140732 Eyjafjallajökull
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What makes you think the previous US administration was any better?

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 19:48 | 5138495 MalteseFalcon
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"Cynical disregard for the fate of civilians and 'couldn't care less' attitude toward the international humanitarian law when it comes to geopolitical interests, becomes the core of the policy of the United States and its European satellites regarding Ukrain[e]"

FTW.

Civilians includes you, Bunky.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 15:57 | 5137727 Cynthia
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Apparently austerity doesn't apply to the President.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:22 | 5139158 McCormick No. 9
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Meanwhile, check out the flag of the nation of Novirossiya, aka Donetsk rebels.

That's a bitchen flag, dudes!

Reminds me of another rebel flag...

Better luck to you guys! State's rights!

 

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 15:33 | 5137628 Kirk2NCC1701
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Clearly you're not a real chess player, or you'd have said: "Fork you!"

Sorry, could not resist.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 15:59 | 5137735 SoilMyselfRotten
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Terrorist fist bump

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 04:41 | 5139564 Majestic12
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the "Blue Raja" smiles on you....

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 15:30 | 5137621 duo
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He needs more vitamin D.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 15:11 | 5137552 ThroxxOfVron
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""More and more questions are being raised about the ability of the current US administration to participate in the development of realistic and pragmatic approaches to DOMESTIC problems, to adequately assess the situation in the various regions of the UNITED STATES," the Foreign Ministry OF VRON ALSO noted."

 

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 19:53 | 5138505 Rakshas
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Should read"is amorica fit to participAte in creating international problems "........... No???

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 07:05 | 5139688 shovelhead
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Don't forget the terrorists.

If an international problem needs some terrorists, we are the go-to guys.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 14:29 | 5137451 remain calm
Sun, 08/24/2014 - 14:35 | 5137472 TahoeBilly2012
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America is #1 whore to International Zionism, so I suppose the answer depends on your idea of the future "world order". If your goal is anything but the Talmudic World Order, then the answer is NO, America cannot offer/solve shit.

BTW Fuck Chuck Hagel, what an ass kiss punk.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 15:36 | 5137635 Kirk2NCC1701
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LOL. Go TB!

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:43 | 5138826 COSMOS
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The USA is the Roman Empire, the real Fourth Reich.  The girl on your avatar looks Ukrainian Billy?

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 04:47 | 5139569 Majestic12
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"The USA is the Roman Empire, the real Fourth Reich."

I guess if you mean an ocean of successful skilled legions...??? 

I see weekend warriors spraying Round Up, beer-bellied sports fans in sandals  and Golfing atheles....

Yeah, I guess you're right....they do look scary....

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 14:53 | 5137515 Escrava Isaura
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Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen,

As of August 12, 2014:

Obama has taken 20 "vacations" lasting 129 days on “vacation.”

The president has made 33 visits to the official Camp David.

Obama’s morning round of golf on Tuesday brought his total since January 2009 to 186, with 22 of them on Martha’s Vineyard.

At this point in George W. Bush’s:

He had taken 58 trips to his Prairie Chapel ranch near Crawford, Texas, for all or part of 381 days.

Bush spent 26 days at his family’s oceanside compound in Kennebunkport, Maine, over the course of seven trips there.

And the former Texas governor had been to Camp David 108 times for a total of all or part of 341 days.

Bush played 24 rounds of golf as president. He later explained his decision to stop in the fall of 2003 by saying he felt it was not appropriate to be seen golfing while American troops fought in Afghanistan and Iraq.

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-s-vacations-and-golf-outings--by-the-numbers-211532262.html

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 15:13 | 5137564 Caviar Emptor
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Butch was right: don't play golf while playing in the Gulf. Persian, that is.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 15:25 | 5137603 McMolotov
Sun, 08/24/2014 - 17:03 | 5137939 Escrava Isaura
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Ohh boy!

I remember that.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 20:50 | 5138680 remain calm
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He actually looks like he knows how to swing the club and doesn't look feminine doing it. Bravo GW!

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 20:06 | 5138544 toady
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This "vacation" stuff is going to be a meme from now on. It really took off with W, and I don't think (I hope! ) anyone will ever touch the record setting vacation days he took. It just hits a Jungian nerve with people. HOW CAN THAT BASTARD GO ON VACATION NOW! etc...

The non-verbal W vs the ultra-verbal teleprompter is a much more interesting meme because it goes from one end of the spectrum to the other, but both sides feel they gain traction with it.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:27 | 5139168 Escrava Isaura
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It sure would be an interesting meme.

Another interesting meme would be the Constitution; after all, Obama is a Constitutional Law Professor, right? And doing exactly what our “Founding Lawyers” did, protecting the interest of the opulent.    

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:17 | 5139142 christiangustafson
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Idiot.  Bush used Crawford as a 2nd White House.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prairie_Chapel_Ranch

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When he was president, Bush used the ranch for vacations, meetings, and entertaining foreign dignitaries. In the less formal setting, dress code for meetings called for an open collar and no tie. Guests were typically treated to meals of Southwestern cuisine. When not holding meetings or briefings, Bush spent his time mountain biking, jogging, fishing, bird hunting, and clearing brush.

Bush made clear his preference for spending some time away from his official residence at the White House in Washington, DC. In 2001, he said, "I think it is so important for a president to spend some time away from Washington, in the heartland of America."[10]

Visits from foreign dignitaries[edit]

Putin and Bush in 2001

Visitors to the ranch have included:

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 13:34 | 5141145 Escrava Isaura
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christiangustafson,

Now, imagine if Obama had moved the White House to Chicago?

Setting up all the infrastructures and facilities necessary to make it safe and operational to run a nation.

Talking about improper and fraudulent behavior.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 04:50 | 5139571 Majestic12
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"Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen,"

Why would any of you classy guys here "down vote" facts?

Great point Escrava Isaura...not that I like either...or not like they are so different....

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 20:35 | 5138632 HedgeHammer
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In the words of "What about Bob" Baby steps my friend, baby steps.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 14:20 | 5137426 linniepar
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Obama is a stooge and does not represent anything which defines the original US of A.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 14:21 | 5137431 CH1
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America fit to solve international problems?

Not that anyone is "fit" to do such a thing (just leave people the fuck alone!), but... NO.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 14:28 | 5137449 BlindMonkey
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Say it from the treetops brother.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 14:43 | 5137499 Stuck on Zero
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Am I mistaken or did the Russians just call us "The Evil Empire?"

 

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 18:05 | 5137754 unrulian
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Yes...Run by Chancellor Yellen, Darth Barack, General McCain and Count Biden

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 20:02 | 5138533 TheSecondLaw
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If the shoe fits...

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:38 | 5138822 Keyser
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If Darth Vader had a son.... 

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 04:54 | 5139574 Majestic12
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Umm, dude....Darth Vader "did" have a son...his name is "Luke"...and his daughter's name is Princess Leia...I guess you really missed the whole "Star Wars" thing...huh?

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 16:19 | 5137806 Berspankme
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I dont want anyone to solve anything for me. Just leave me alone, dont tax me to death and I leave you alone. Fuck you .gov

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 16:59 | 5137920 Notsobadwlad
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From China ...

Lao Tzu, the philosopher-poet and founder of Taoism, also had similar views ...

"A leader is best when people barely know he exists, when his work is done, his aim fulfilled, they will say: we did it ourselves." Lao Tzu

Lao Tzu was an ancient "libertarian".

BTW, I know Barry O'Bomber exists, but I barely know he leads... or more appropriately, I know he barely leads.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 19:10 | 5138378 Oldrepublic
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The government is best who governs least

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 19:12 | 5138382 Renfield
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<<when his work is done... they will say: we did it ourselves.>>

But then the leader will correct them: You didn't build that!

(Sorry to wisecrack. Couldn't resist altho I loved your comment so much I copied it in my own notes.)

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 14:39 | 5137487 JR
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No wonder Obama heads for the golf course consistently; he isn’t needed in the White House to make decisions. The king of executive orders, John Podesta, has Obama’s to-do list already made out. And foreign policy can easily be handled after the White House gets its daily phone call from Netanyahu.

So what’s to decide?

And, as for the economy, the Big Banks can put together a summary on what they’ve decided and Obama can get the in-depth details from Janet Yellen by watching television.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 15:18 | 5137578 Caviar Emptor
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Yes. With the stock market on autopilot and the PPT on call 24/7, there is precious little for him to worry about. And anyway why be in the WH where you're any easy target? Better to keep em guessing where you really are

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 15:47 | 5137674 talisman
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Who needs Obama
when we have Michael Kassen to
run the US?

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 16:33 | 5137840 RighteousDude
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Yes! Thank You. I've been looking for a perfect word to describe O'Bummer, --- Stooge!

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 14:21 | 5137429 X.inf.capt
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russia, china and the u.s. really want this war...BAD!

 REALLY BAD!

and we will be lucky to survive it!

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 14:26 | 5137440 Winston Churchill
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I only see the US and UK wanting war.

A frantic desperation thats been growing for a year now.

What makes you think Russia and China do ?

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 14:41 | 5137495 X.inf.capt
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russia would really like the bread basket of europe...and all of ukraines natural resources, it cant survive as a global player without them...thats why they went into the crimea...control of the oil and gas fields there and around it...plus its strategic location...

china wants to be the next super power, and they have the industry and the reserves to do it...all they need is OIL! which they are currently trading russia for, and natural gas...and they will need the oil reserves from the south china sea, too..

thats why both are trading with each other, in spite of sanctions...

in my humble opinion...

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 15:01 | 5137521 KickIce
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Except the US has been pushing Putin's buttons since the Olympics and he has avoided war at every turn,  I agree he would like Ukraine but I think he is more than willing to watch them (and us) self destruct before he makes his move.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 15:02 | 5137538 X.inf.capt
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avoiding war?

tell that to the crimeans.

Putin is one hell of a chess player, and he's got really smart advisors...he knew NATO would do nothing when he pushed that convoy across the border, or giving artillery support to the seperatists...or arms

he plays the long game...and he'll probably hold eastern ukraine...the american people dont want a war..but they'll get it!

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 15:22 | 5137583 Headbanger
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You're a fucking idiot!

Crimea voted to secede from Ukraine and re-join Russia.

You probably believe the Anunaki will soon return on planete Nibiru and save Earth from us destroying it too!

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 15:22 | 5137595 X.inf.capt
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after they invaded...

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 15:40 | 5137636 Real Estate Geek
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Russia had 20K troops stationed long-terms in Crimea to protect the naval base; its treaty with Ukraine allowed 25K.  And that's an invasion?  Riiight . . .

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 15:47 | 5137676 X.inf.capt
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again true..

unfortunately, the 45th recon regiment (spetsnaz) was there during the invasion, but its barracks is outside of moscow...as was an airborne division, and air assault division, an airborne brigade, a motorized infantry brigade...none were stationed in the crimea...

nice try!

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 15:53 | 5137704 Winston Churchill
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Really ?

You have a math problem to add to your others.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 16:18 | 5137803 X.inf.capt
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my math is sound...

just the units above are above 25k, not to mention the units that were there...like the 188th naval infantry brigade,,which moved to Armyansk from the crimea...to secure the ismus of perekop....

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 19:34 | 5138452 BurningFuld
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Quick question. Are you the world's most brain washed person?

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:39 | 5139203 X.inf.capt
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Mon, 08/25/2014 - 01:17 | 5139396 conscious being
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X-capt-numbnuts, moving troops around does not a treaty violation make. So Kiev was being destabalized by Vicky Nuland and Uncle Sugar to the tune of $5B and Russia reinforces Crimea within treaty limits. Why not? Under the circumstances, they would be crazy to not reinforce their security for crucial naval assets in Crimea.

The people voted and their will was respected. Get over it or find another high paying job on the internet.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 02:25 | 5139453 blentus
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Many years ago I was advocating the need for some kind of Internet driving license. People laughed at me.

Look where we ended up.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 16:00 | 5137738 scrappy
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If the roles were reversed, what the hell would you do X.inf.capt ???

 

Ideas please.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 16:21 | 5137814 X.inf.capt
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what would i do?

i wouldnt be looking for fight in the Ukraine...or the crimea, as a american...its bad ground from an attackers point of view..

i would leave this alone, and get away from russias border..NOW!

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 16:56 | 5137915 LasVegasDave
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Accept the down votes as a badge of honor Capt.

This isnt the same place it used to be......

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 17:04 | 5137944 X.inf.capt
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thank you, dave..

they can junk me all they want...

my opinion is honest...and well see who right and who's wrong...

tick-tock...winters coming...

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 17:37 | 5138061 Supernova Born
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Winter is coming?

Russia welcomes winter. The likes of Napoleon and the Nazis not so much.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:40 | 5139205 X.inf.capt
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Mon, 08/25/2014 - 01:28 | 5139404 conscious being
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I get it. You are like MillionDollarBogus and LasVegasDave fell for it. LosVegasLosa. Ha ha ha

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 16:04 | 5137758 Urban Roman
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... followed by months of Russia shelling civilian neighborhoods and spewing white phosphorus incendiaries on them. Oh, no wait, that was Kiev.

In other news, Obama suddenly recognizes that the territirial integrity of sovereign countries is of utmost importance, and will be signing Hawaii over to the surviving members of the Kamehameha family.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 19:53 | 5138506 jimmytorpedo
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You beat me to it.

He's a fucking idiot.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:41 | 5139208 X.inf.capt
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Sun, 08/24/2014 - 20:03 | 5138535 Notsobadwlad
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Why would you believe they ever left?

I find it interesting that people take so many things for granted, without even questioning the assumptions.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 16:24 | 5137825 KickIce
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Yes avoided. As discussed below he allowed Crimea to vote while NATO trumped up charges of invasion and agression.  He sat idly while the Rothchilds stole Ukraine's gold and neither did he show any aggression when NATO tried once again to incite violence when the MH 17 was downed.  Interesting how the MH 17 news left the headlines once it was shown that Russia was not involved.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 16:17 | 5137800 TheReplacement
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It would be more accurate to say Putin is willing to fight but preferrably only easy wins.  I doubt very much he wants to take on the west as evidenced by his lack of aggression in Ukraine.

China, that one might be a bit harder to decipher.  They seem more than willing to instigate but little comes of it as every time they do their opponents don't really do anything but complain.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 23:18 | 5143482 StychoKiller
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Putin only has to wait for General Winter to deploy his ice-cold troopz!

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 14:55 | 5137525 Phuk u
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I concur with your humble opinion Skipper. Russia needs Ukraine

more. Putin just will not let go.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 16:15 | 5137798 scrappy
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It's been a while but I am in the mood, Phuk U, Phuk U!

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 08:09 | 5139789 JohninMK
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Russia needs the Ukraine like a hole in the head, it is one of the most corrupt money pits on the planet.

Russia does, for a while need the output of some of its factories that are linked into its product supply chains. Especially military, as for example, all its helicopter engines and important rockets are made there. Russia is currently working as fast as it can to bring those facilities in country, using a mix of up-design, purchasing designs, possibly 'liberating' equipment and encouraging key staff to move east. Once that is complete Ukraine's industrial heatland will be gone as almost nothing goes west.

If the US's objective was to take Ukraine back to 1890 they are succeeding.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 08:56 | 5139950 shovelhead
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Not to mention the brain drain going to Russia to fill those new factories.

Ukrainians think their future lies in Europe but they're dancing with the Devil and the Devil always gets his due.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 15:01 | 5137534 the phantom
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"Russia would really like the bread basket of Europe"----  On what basis do you form this opinion?  Has Russia threatened to invade the "bread basket of Europe"... whatever that means?

"and all of ukraines natural resources, it cant survive as a global player without them"-------  Uh Russia has been doing just fine without Ukraine's natural resources.  I think what you are trying to say are they want the pipelines running through Ukraine that transport  Russia's NG to Europe.  Actually, if Russia ends up building the South Stream... those pipelines become almost obsolete, which is why you see the EU turning up the heat in Bulgaria under the guise of European anti-monopoly laws.

I think you need to see the the US, through the EU and NATO, want to set up shop on Russia's border... which Russia will not accept.   If Russian influence tried to capture the Mexican gov't and potentially set up missile/military capabilities (hypothetically, of course)... do you think the US would allow that to happen? 

I don't think so.

But this is just my humble opinion.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 15:08 | 5137550 X.inf.capt
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pipelines?

yes! and to save a couple of billion on the south shore pipeline the're building to bulgaria...through Crimea...

you're missing my point...i think Putin is making sound decisions on his moves, i would exspect the u.s. to do the same...

as i said before...they really wnt this war BAD!

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 15:36 | 5137638 the phantom
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OK... so what you are really saying is that the US wants this war really bad.  Putin is making "sound moves" as you say... and I agree.  I don't see Putin's moves as being aggressive and "wanting war", but rather defending the interest and security of his country and borders.  Imagine that!

"you're missing my point...i think Putin is making sound decisions on his moves, i would exspect the u.s. to do the same"--------------------What "moves" would you have the US do in this situation?

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 15:51 | 5137700 X.inf.capt
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as a defender of its border...i would probably be more aggressive...

as an attacker on a border...i would let the defender push forward..and look for weak spots in its defenses...

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 18:14 | 5138210 Latina Lover
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Great strategy, except between 2 nuclear powers that could easily destroy each other. Anyways the goods new is that you are a blogger on ZH so you are allowed idle speculations.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 18:35 | 5138273 X.inf.capt
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thank you

all this is pure speculation...

and opinions...

that is what the 'fight club' is all about...

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 20:36 | 5138635 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

that is what the 'fight club' is all about...

Apparently you haven't yet learned that it's a good idea to tap out when you're bleeding from your eyes, ears, nose, mouth, and anus.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:42 | 5139210 X.inf.capt
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Mon, 08/25/2014 - 08:13 | 5139809 JohninMK
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Just a small correction.

The South Stream pipeline is not going anywhere near Crimea. It runs straight across under the Black Sea.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 18:41 | 5138290 the phantom
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Capt- You said US, China, and Russia really want this war.  We just agreed that it's really the US that seems like it wants this war.  Now you're talking about what you would do as an attacker/defender of the border.  It's not a game ass-hat... thousands of civilians have died and the threat of war (possibly nuclear) with a county with the 2nd largest nuclear arsenal is real.  Call out the aggressors appropriately, you're not playing your on-line world domination game.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 18:48 | 5138311 X.inf.capt
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i know this isnt a game.

i was asked what i would do as an attack or defender, hypothetically...but you know that...

hopefully you feel better now...

no, this is going end badly, and i say again...we'll be lucky to live through it..

 

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 03:01 | 5139478 Yen Cross
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 Lets dance? :-D

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 16:51 | 5137776 daemon
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" What "moves" would you have the US do in this situation? "

In Ukraine, they probably can't do anything at all for the moment. Ukraine may be no more than a big diversion. The really interesting spot to keep watching, is probably Syria .... particularly if some supposed attack (false flag) from that "powerful" cardboard ISIS army happens in some western country .

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 18:55 | 5138335 the phantom
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I just wanted to see how he would respond. The correct response would be for the US to GTFO and stop meddling in affairs on Russia's doorstep.

You are right, the US can't really do anything if Russia decides to roll out the tanks, but Putin knows that will be an even bigger headache and mire Russia in Ukraine for years, if not decades.  That would make pulling the strings in other areas (i.e. Syria) more problematic.  Besides, Putin holds the cards with energy anyway... so all  he really has to do is wait.  Although since ISIS is fighting Assad, I'm not sure how the US can justify targeting overthrow of the Assad regime, or hitting Assad regime targets at thsi point somehow will diminish ISIS.  If anything, it will help ISIS immensely.  The logic coming from the MSM is just baffling. 

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 19:51 | 5138483 crazytechnician
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The MSM and pupeteers have so many fronts to deal with now at some point the whole thing will become an obvious sharade even to an idiot. Every story will get tangled into the other story. At some point they will run out of assets and stories / lies to tell. Can you imagine the chaos that is going on behind the scenes ? How many offices and departments with people running around likle headless chickens trying to decide their strategy on all of this ? People are waking up and seeing through the lies , it must be absolute chaos behind the curtain.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 20:31 | 5138619 the phantom
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Do you think this has anything to do with flooding the US with illegal aliens that don't speak English, don't have any particular useful skill... but can vote?  If the audience is waking up, maybe they just change the audience?

Or maybe it's just one big coincidence...

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 04:56 | 5139550 daemon
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" .... or hitting Assad regime targets at thsi point somehow will diminish ISIS.  If anything, it will help ISIS immensely.  "

Is ISIS by itself more than a pawn on a chessboard ? I have serious doubts about their ability to survive without western support. By itself this movement probably has no future at all in that region. They may be here simply to justify some false flag in a western country (US ? .... or maybe UK ? .... more likely UK) and possibly another in Turkey (maybe not absolutely necessary but probably helpful), like an incursion coming from syrian territory. Maybe in Israel, if not in Turkey ? (By the way, what is the real meaning of that huge clean up in Gaza stripe ? .... in the past, Israel seems to have relied more on mossad than on tsahal in such circumstances).

You have to keep in mind that some people out there are ultimately hunting a bear, " The Bear" .

Don't waste too much time trying to predict the future of coakroaches.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 16:05 | 5137759 scrappy
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"Them?" THEM!

The response of the guards at crematoria to the mercs after their explaining the capture of Riddick right before all hell breaks loose..

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 02:38 | 5139421 conscious being
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Phantom - ISIS is attacking SAM missle sites in Syria now. "Assad is sheltering ISIS" will be the meme.

They will make "mistakes", like bombing the Chinese embasy in Serbia. They will provide air cover for their so-called "moderate" jihadis' advance on Damascus like they did in Lybia to Tripoli. At least that's the plan. Mike Tyson says everyone has a plan ... til they get punched in the face.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 02:26 | 5139456 blentus
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What the... ?

Ok, I thought you were serious but now you've revealed yourself as a fairly good troll.

Well done.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 16:19 | 5137808 TheReplacement
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How was he wrong about Russia wanting Ukraine?  You picked small bits but the objective would remain the same - control of Ukraine.  He didn't say Russia wants Ukraine no matter the cost.  Putin will play for the best bargain and with the jokers in charge in the west and West things are shaping up.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 02:40 | 5139463 conscious being
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Ukraine is going to break up. The focus goes back to Syria.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 15:02 | 5137539 Stumpy4516
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The US covertly supported and plannned the overthrow of Ukrain's govt in violation of Ukrain law and not long before new elections were to occur.  The radicals, nazis and self serving group who overthrew the govt denounced all russian speakers or ethnic russians.  The people of Crimea (large number of ethnic russians/speakers)  held their own elections and chose to form their own country.  Then they voted to join Russia.  Russia was motivated to accept the request of the Crimea people partially due to the warm water military base Russia has in Crimea.

Russia and China trading with each other is what countries do.  The amount of trade between the two countries has been increasing due to the sanctions initiated by the US.  The UK and the key EU personnel have gone along with the sanctions but are now finding other customers are requesting to trade with Russia.  And, for some reason they find it is a big surprise that Russia puts restrictions back on those who have sanctioned Russia.

Your comment, " thats why both are trading with each other, in spite of sanctions", really sums up the attitude of the US govt and sheep, How dare those two countries trade with each other, we put sanctions on them telling them not to do so.

The US started this entire turmoil not Russia, the US is again the aggressor in killing people and turning another country into a hellhole.

 

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 15:15 | 5137572 X.inf.capt
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+1

i agree,

everything you said true! the u.s. did overthrow the goverment...im saying this this is starting to spiral into a war...which will come..

and when it comes to trade between countries, im down with that...we have no right to tell 2 countries they cant trade...my point was they (russia and china) dont give a flying fig about the santions

in my humble opnion...

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 16:08 | 5137777 scrappy
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Lame, IMHO.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 16:33 | 5137839 11b40
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As I once told an Inf2Lt - get your head out of your ass and pay attention to the people who know what they are doing before you get all of us fucked up.
Your original premise was that Russia & China wanted war. From what I see, the US & UK want war - no one else.
Just keep saluting that flag, shining your shoes, saying "yes sir" to Uncle Sam.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 16:36 | 5137847 X.inf.capt
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thank you, PSG!

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 02:46 | 5139467 conscious being
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At first, I thought Korean. Now I'm thinking Spanish American.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 15:44 | 5137662 css1971
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Seriously. Take a look at a map sometime. See that bit north of China that stretches all the way across to Europe. The really really big bit? That's Russia.

Russia is 17,098,242 km^2

America is 9,826,675 km^2

Europe is 10,180,000 km^2

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 16:08 | 5137770 X.inf.capt
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yes, i know where russia is..TY!

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 19:59 | 5138520 jimmytorpedo
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you forgot to say,

"may I have another! SIR!"

clown/troll/whatever

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:42 | 5139213 X.inf.capt
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Sun, 08/24/2014 - 15:53 | 5137702 NidStyles
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Two things why you're wrong, and one why you're an idiot.

1) Russia has it's own resources inside her borders. The only reason they would want the Crimea is because it used to be their land and for water access.

2) China is already going to be the next superpower without doing anything. Not everything is about oil, and eventually you kids will figure that out. 

 

Reason why you're an idiot:

You ignored all of the data available to post a comment that has no basis in reality and is borderline delusional. 

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 16:03 | 5137756 X.inf.capt
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well,

we'll find out.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 18:34 | 5138271 Omen IV
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you are a fucking moron...x.inf !!!

Russia has a breadbasket five times the size of USA and 7 times zones of undeveloped oil and gas - it doesnt need anything from the Ukraine other than a shield / buffer zone out of USA hands and a stable gas pipeline - the land in Russia is worth over $100 Trillion easy

the scumbag americans want the property and will kill to get it  - the only party that hasnt figured it out is YOU!

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 18:37 | 5138280 X.inf.capt
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well see!

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 02:48 | 5139469 conscious being
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Critical thinking ended in America years ago.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 03:03 | 5139483 Yen Cross
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  Whos's turn is it in the barrel?  chuckles

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 19:50 | 5138498 Dave
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Excuse me, but what oil and gas fields would you be referring to in Ukraine?

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 07:50 | 5139755 ebear
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"russia would really like the bread basket of europe"

Basket Case of Europe, more like.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 15:48 | 5137682 Kirk2NCC1701
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Russia and China and many other countries lack the "Tradition" that the UK and the US have: the Tradition of "MANIFEST DESTINY".

IZIP (International Zionism in Israel and Palestine)* also shares this "tradition", if you study the progression of their expanding territory under their control.

*I just made it up.
There are also IZ branches in other parts of the globe. E.g., IZUS,IZNA, IZEU, IZUK.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 16:08 | 5137779 X.inf.capt
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agreed, this is how an empire dies...

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 14:39 | 5137486 the phantom
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The questions Russia is asking is meant for other countires, not the US... to push the seeds of doubt about blind obedience to US policy which does nothing but weaken the rest of the world (minus US).    The BRICS must get buy in from other EU countries, or it will lead to a war being fought in Europe, with the big winner being the US/military industrial complex/US dollar hegemony. 

Time is running short, I believe the energy card will be played by Russia, in that they will shut off the gas.

Winter is coming.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 14:47 | 5137508 X.inf.capt
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they will play that energy card!

sooner then later...

and, in my opinion, they will invade eastern ukraine to the dneiper river...and dig in, BEFORE WINTER! probably before the fall harvest...its one hell of a natural barrier...as was proven in 1943...as the fascists used it while retreating during the great patriotic war...

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 15:58 | 5137722 NidStyles
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No one is buying your propaganda. Go away.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 16:07 | 5137768 X.inf.capt
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no propoganda..

just as i see it

and we'll find out who the idiots are...

winters coming...

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 16:27 | 5137827 scrappy
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You forgot to say "in my opinion" asshat.

Every post is an opinion asshopper.

Ancient Wise Man looking across the vista.

(Sweeping Hands Gesture)

"One day, none of this will be yours"

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:43 | 5139216 X.inf.capt
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Mon, 08/25/2014 - 08:23 | 5139836 JohninMK
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Again, you really don't have a strategic clue.

Whilst Russia may stop Ukraine's gas, but then you probably spotted that they have allocated $3B of the next IMF money to pay for gas, as Ukraine owes Russia more than $4B for already delivered gas, there is not a chance in hell that Russia will stop the EU's gas.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 16:48 | 5137886 petkovplamen
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it's "than", not "then".  My English is not my natural language and I speak it better than you who is most likely an American.

Pathetic shills can't even spell, if I wuz you, I wouldn't even pay you for your shilling.

The funniesat part is how you shills KNOW exactly what Putin will do and you speak with some authority. Putin is NOT gonna turn off the gas, he will wait untill Ukraine turns it off and then laugh his ass off as Europe tumbles into a depression.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 17:00 | 5137935 X.inf.capt
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good point about the pipeline..

ukraine has already threatened to shut it off once or twice before...

and these is my opinions, not facts...

judging by the pro seperatist ribbon...you are proud of being such...

from one troop to another, be careful out there...

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 08:03 | 5139774 conscious being
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Petkovplamen - re. Probably American.

and these is my opinions, not facts... from his post above, imo, English is not his first language.

A captain is supposed to be educated.

 

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 00:01 | 5143618 StychoKiller
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Ukraine ain't gonna shut it off, it just sort of won't get to its paying destination(s), which for all practical purposes, amounts to the same thing!

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 14:31 | 5137460 crazzziecanuck
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He's just another variant on the trend.

American policy is to basically give bombs to people, and if they get out of line, then use other bombs to get rid of the bad guys' bombs and to give new bombs to people that promse to replace the bad guys until a new set of "good guys" come about to replace the existing bad guys.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 14:32 | 5137468 Eireann go Brach
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Obama is so incompetent and in over his head, he is the most dangerous man in the world right now!

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 16:01 | 5137706 Kirk2NCC1701
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Do Not Panic!

The Deep State, the Shadow Government is still running the Show. And the Show must go on.

Sincerely, TPTB.

ps. We recommend you enjoy the rest of the summer and settle in for Fall TV on the Preferred Networks. Prepare for Shock, Awe and Sizzle.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 15:28 | 5137613 Lordflin
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The answer to the question is emphatically no, it is not. Sadly, neither are the Russians or Chinese, or Nato, or any other major power center.

The world is without rudder.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 16:33 | 5137841 drendebe10
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Standing round of applause for the incompetent corrupt arrogant narcissistic illegal indonesian kenyan alien muslim sociopathic pathological liar in chief only interested in its martha's vineyard celebrity grand imperial lifestyle on the backs of hard working rax paying U.S. citizen serfs & peasants.  A job well done trashing America.  

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 16:32 | 5137842 drendebe10
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Standing round of applause for the incompetent corrupt arrogant narcissistic illegal indonesian kenyan alien muslim sociopathic pathological liar in chief only interested in its martha's vineyard celebrity grand imperial lifestyle on the backs of hard working rax paying U.S. citizen serfs & peasants.  A job well done trashing America.  

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