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What's $100 Really Worth In Each State?

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Because average prices for similar goods are much higher in California or New York than in Mississippi or South Dakota, The Tax Foundation notes points out that the same amount of dollars will buy you comparatively less in the high-price states, or comparatively more in low-price states. Regional price differences are strikingly large, and have serious policy implications. The same amount of dollars are worth almost 40 percent more in Mississippi than in DC, and the differences become even larger if metro area prices are considered instead of statewide averages.



For example, Tennessee is a low-price state, where $100 will buy what would cost $110.25 in another state that is closer to the national average. You can think of this as meaning that Tennesseans are about ten percent richer than their nominal incomes suggest.

The states where $100 is worth the least are the District of Columbia ($84.60), Hawaii ($85.32), New York ($86.66), New Jersey ($87.64), and California ($88.57). That same money goes the furthest in Mississippi ($115.74), Arkansas ($114.16), Missouri ($113.51), Alabama (113.51), and South Dakota ($113.38).

A person who makes $40,000 a year after tax in Kentucky would need to have after-tax earnings of $53,000 in Washington, DC just in order to have an equal standard of living, let alone feel richer.


Source: The Tax Foundation


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Sun, 08/24/2014 - 20:44 | 5138644 knukles
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Damn... I'm a headed south where I can eat them fried hush puppies n' git fat n' git taken' care uh own ObieCare... Says, they pays the sames fo dat disability in Tennessee theys dos in Caleforeah?  Why clog mah arteries n'relax on the porch barcalounger, boys!

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 20:45 | 5138661 bunzbunzbunz
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Didn't this article get posted last week?

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 01:24 | 5139155 Fuku Ben
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What did you see Neo? A black cat twice?

The ZH Black Box algo had a glitch

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 03:30 | 5139506 giggler321
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no.  they missed the state of alaska more than twice.  is it still Russian, maybe that's it.  how much is 100 dollars worth there?  can't even get a bigmac...

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 01:26 | 5139406 buyingsterling
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Is that a red sate/blue state map?

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 20:56 | 5138696 himaroid
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Cain't git fat. Da damn bugs suck the grease rite outtn ya.


Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:51 | 5138863 NoDebt
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Having just returned from vaca in South Carolina, I can back you up on that.  I ate like a caveman and didn't gain a pound.  Crab Catchers a little north of North Myrtle Beach, just off of Rt. 17.  I recommend the fried scallops.  The place is a little dumpy, but DAYUM is the food good!

My cardiologist is having kittens, but he can take a number.  I'm happy, and Lipitor is always there to cover a multitude of dietary sins.


Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:01 | 5138903 himaroid
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A couple of weeks ago I visited my brother in law's family not too far north of there. That son of a gun did some of the finest grilling you ever saw. Using tin foil, grilled scallops, shrimp, steak, fish, and steamed oysters at the same time! While drinking! And got them all dead right! But I think all the rain this year is causing lots of skeeters, chiggers and every damn thing else. Maybe a little drier next year. 

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 04:09 | 5139539 Majestic12
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Yeah, nuthin' says aluminum-induced alzheimers like your comments...keep cookin', drinkin', swimin', and rubbin' away in aluminum, Skeeter... then you and Clunk can share the same wheechair...being' such "close" good ole' boys and all....

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 08:11 | 5139795 General Decline
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He's right about aluminum. Don't cook with it. Cast iron is the way to go.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 08:36 | 5139874 himaroid
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Gonna last longer than mofo's worrying about it. Besides, he only used foil on the oysters.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:29 | 5139179 BlindMonkey
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Dump carbs and Lipitor at the same time.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 04:09 | 5139540 Majestic12
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"Blind"...but one smart monkey...! +1

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:48 | 5139226 Next to Arch Stanton
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Have had many pleasant afternoons on that deck with Buds and Hush Puppies (with the cinammon butter of course). 

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 00:45 | 5139335 Yen Cross
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 A TRUE "caveman" Never goes to the doctor! CAVE MAN  hate Obunga. scare!  UGG/

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:01 | 5138712 Yen Cross
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Plus one for Knuks. Creativity & Ingenuity, aways take precedence, in my book!

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:11 | 5138743 knukles
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Full disclosure:  About 3 centuries ago Mrs K and I went to the Ozarks fly fishing.  Beautiful country, that.  If fact, downright spectacular.  And I've always enjoyed much of the south and do Love their cooking.  Nothing like a fresh (and I mean fresh) catfish pan fried.  As we were driving about (Ozarks way) in the midst of drop dead gorgeous, came around a bend and there it was!  Run down old wooden house, washers, cars, old fridges and assorted shit strewn allover the front yard, dogs....  and there was a big ass tree that had orange and blue painted bleach bottles hanging all over it.  Um ummmmm hummmm.  Talk about stereotypes.  Also got a straight razor shave at some way out in the middle of nowhere barber shop.  Don't think they liked Yankees 'cause I had about 10 bits of Kleenex all over bloody spots my face.  Pro'lly had something to do with the hair down past my shoulders at the time, high waisted bells, pack of Camel straights rolled up the sleeve of a yellow tee that said "Holy Trinity" in a circle surrounding the number 13.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:20 | 5138762 himaroid
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That's the same mofo that sicced his bulldogs on me when I rode my bicycle by. I can't out run them any more. But I'll be really prepared next time.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:21 | 5138771 TeethVillage88s
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Well, you know if you came from farm family, you watch your money, fix everything yourself, and save as much as you can. So they didn't pay to take stuff to a dump or waste gas to take it to the dump... of course someday they might have decided to grab a truck and load that stuff up to some place. Many world peoples will just throw it in Rivers or off a cliff which doesn't help.

I guess Indian Reservations are similar. Old Trucks rusting beside the new truck.

But those country people might be able to teach us how to do things for ourselves when SHTF if they don't shoot us first.

Sometimes I wonder what those country people did for money if they didn't have a farm though.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:31 | 5139182 BlindMonkey
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"But those country people might be able to teach us how to do things for ourselves when SHTF if they don't shoot us first."

I wouldn't mention anything about technical indicators. Not. One. Word.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 04:15 | 5139546 Majestic12
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...or drop the soap in the shower, either....

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 05:33 | 5139596 zhandax
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Apparently you haven't seen the babes we have down here.  Stay home and pound your soap up your own ass.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 06:04 | 5139630 Headbanger
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Or the guns...

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 11:23 | 5140648 Bunghole
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Looks like we got us a new troll.

Welcome douchbag.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:48 | 5138853 thatthingcanfly
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I moved to the Arkansas Ozarks from DFW (and I'm an ex-Navy pilot who's lived all over the world) and this has been the best move I've ever made. Doesn't surprise me at all to see we in Arkansas are in the top 5 of the above chart. My 25 acres and 2400 sqft. cedar log cabin cost me less than $100k.

Lost about 25 pounds moving up here. It probably has something to do with the fact that I grow a lot of my own veggies now. And there's not a fast food joint on every corner. Make that ANY corner. Well, they have 'em in Batesville.

Correct about frugality and the benefits of "Ozark Engineering," which helps a lot of these poorer folks get by just fine with salaries under $25K/year. I don't like the ugly front yards; but you take the good with the bad, one supposes. Satellite Internet is slow. Boo-hoo.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:43 | 5139028 willwork4food
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Very nice. My 2k ranch on one acre here in Hampton Roads cost over 155k back in '02. Took a LOT to fix her up. But we're only 15 miles from downtown, the beach and half that to the food stores.Only thing we have to put up with is the Navy jets flying over our house...probalby was you, no?

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:28 | 5139171 Yen Cross
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I've always liked you! :-D

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 14:57 | 5141437 IrritableBowels
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Mon, 08/25/2014 - 07:23 | 5139715 duo
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I'm probably the only ZHer that's been to Batesville on business.  Not an easy place to get to, unless you have a plane.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 09:18 | 5140024 hardmedicine
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KNuk  ... we still love some yankees..... if they have good stories

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:08 | 5138734 Bossman1967
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hey I'm on Oklahoma and if your not conservative please stay where you are. the south will rise again????. all yall lobs can kiss my grits and armadillo balls lol

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 04:17 | 5139548 Majestic12
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"hey I'm on Oklahoma"

I've been on worse drugs...just keep hydrated...drink lot's of bleach and peroxide....and do some meth to take the edge off....

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:12 | 5138737 ugmug
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The eHippie, or iHippy, generation doesn't care what $100 is worth as long as it can buy a decent amount of pot.....

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:59 | 5139090 duo
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I was getting New Glarus Moon Man drafts for $2 in some small town in WI last month.  Low overhead, I guess.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 07:23 | 5139713 DavidC
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Why does the phrase 'The US is so fucked' keep coming to mind?


Mon, 08/25/2014 - 12:18 | 5140834 Dark Space
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And the article isn't even taking into account the income tax disparities and other regulations that make it harder to actually take your earned dollars home with you. California's state income tax has a top rate of 12.3% - Tennessee's is 0%. If you take the price adjusted numbers and additionally adjust for income taxes alone (not even considering the much higher burden of regulatory costs that are placed on employers and employees), results in the Tennessean making a wide 42% more income than the Californian.

So make fun of us Southerners all you want, but just know you're 40+% poorer than some of us even if you make the same size paycheck. Enjoy your winter!

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 20:41 | 5138647 are we there yet
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Sounds about right. States with liberal big governemnt are more expensive to live in.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:04 | 5138721 edotabin
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Any surprise NY and DC are the worst?

And yes, I know DC is in Georgia

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:14 | 5138745 Kirk2NCC1701
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Perhaps the better question is: "What's $100k worth in the White House?  Or in Congress?"

I dare not imagine.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:38 | 5138824 Stormtrooper
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They light their cigars with $100 bills in DC.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 04:20 | 5139552 Majestic12
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[sarc warning for the six-fingered typers all over this page]

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 20:41 | 5138648 Dre4dwolf
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If we are going to continue perpetrating the Income Tax scam on Americans, than it should be adjusted by state, if you live in NY you should get a 20% tax cut break relative to the rest of the nation ^^ its only logical.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:38 | 5138786 nobodyimportant
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Maybe if you read the US Code Chapter 26 Section 86 1  through 8T you might find your income is exempt from tax.


Of course if you choose to volunteer to pay tax, waive your fifth amendment rights, and testify against yourself, it will not be refused.

See for more information.



Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:57 | 5138884 nobodyimportant
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And - if you decide to stand up against illigal IRS you can expect repurcussions.  Maybe a few days in court with a crooked judge (Federal Judges are exempt from income tax) and a settlement.


Then just start over, claiming your rights as if nothing has happened.  Eventually the government gives up and goes for easier targets.

You will be know as a tax protester  -- a title I carry proudly!

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 00:56 | 5139357 Sedaeng
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So you do not receive a paycheck that they can garnish wages from?

You do not own any property of value that is in your name that they can confiscate and auction off?

and the settlement you elude to in your post, is that the judge declaring a settlement in favor of the IRS?


How long did it take from the time you stopped paying taxes to the point of being declared a 'tax protester'?

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 06:16 | 5139639 Confused
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How long did it take from the time you stopped paying taxes to the point of being declared a 'tax protester'?


And the follow up question, if you are to be believed is, HOW MUCH DID IT COST YOU IN LEGAL FEES? 

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 19:49 | 5151808 Sedaeng
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we get no response, go figure...

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:13 | 5138944 nobodyimportant
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Only one government troll to down vote?  Well the illigal alien Kenyan masquarding as president is still on the back nine, so his trolls must have the day off.

Come on!  Show me the law about income tax or fuck off!

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:31 | 5138989 Oath_Keeper
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If you are living there, you are aware of the ramifications. Perhaps a 20% premium would be a better bet.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 00:13 | 5139276 teslaberry
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simple fix for income tax. 


1) eliminate all payroll taxes 

2) standard deduction is 50k for all filers. [ everyone will file individually as a result in all but the most unusually circumstances ]

3) no tax credits for anything whatsover . CREDITS, not deductions.   


that right there solves most of you problems for overtaxing labor. 

now for burden shifting fixes. 


4) abolish all 501c3 and other tax shelters entirely. all of them. 

5) abolish all tax favored investment entities and securities. all of them. 


if you followed ALL 5 of these rules, you really wouldn't need to change anything whatsover. don't tax corporations more. and don't tax them less. they're going to cheat anyways you figure it out. 


good for them. let them 'cheat'. bottom line is labor should not be overtaxed, and burden shifting devices should not be used to shift taxes on labor by stealth. and if you really wanna get fucking crazy THEN 




Mon, 08/25/2014 - 04:36 | 5139561 Majestic12
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Why is it that so many "geniuses" here cannot understand the difference between a "regressive tax (aka "flat tax") and a "progressive tax (aka, where the 1% pay proportionately to their cost/earnings ratio)?

Flat taxes (or one-size fits all) shoulder all tax on the working poor...who's cost of living is roguhly the same as the 1%...except the percentage of that cost to their income is huge vs. peanuts to a billionaire....

but, keep lickin' their asses....they really like it and they're such "nice" patriotic Americans....oh, and best....they really "like" you!    You are just like them....get it?

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 04:40 | 5139563 Gavrikon
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As an expat living in Europe and paying European level taxes, I can't agree with the "no credits."  Foeriegn earned income credit is an absolute must, otherwise, I could just give have to uncle puke, and the other half to Aunt Angela.

However, if the US would stop taxing the foreign income of its citizens living overseas (like most every other country), then the issue disappears, and you and I would be on the same page.

However, as neither your or my suggestions will ever happen, I will keep with my plan to renounce next year.


Mon, 08/25/2014 - 06:25 | 5139646 Confused
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Interesting. Mutti must be happy. 

While I suspect we are in different tax brackets, the fact is, I still have to file. And my wife as well, though she is NOT AMERICAN. 

I'm on the fence about renouncing. 


I also suspect we are both Centrally located. You North, or South? 

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 07:39 | 5139742 Rusty Shorts
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Tim Ask, Is it Possible to Disappear Completely Off The Grid?

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 06:57 | 5139680 Tall Tom
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The simple fix for Income Tax is to abolish the IRS and repeal the Federal Reserve Act.


Anything less is unacceptable.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 04:23 | 5139555 Majestic12
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Mon, 08/25/2014 - 04:54 | 5139575 Dr. Everett V. Scott
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Still upvoting each and every one of your own comments, I see.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 20:46 | 5138651 Yen Cross
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  The last time I checked, a "bag of assholes" was cheaper in most states.

 BTW> did those Feinstein, Boxer, Pelosi, turds get polished in that temblor?

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 20:48 | 5138677 Jendrzejczyk
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Assholes are sold by the bushel. You must be from out of town.

That's four pecks Pecker.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 20:50 | 5138681 Yen Cross
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Sun, 08/24/2014 - 20:57 | 5138701 Jendrzejczyk
Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:01 | 5138714 Yen Cross
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 YOU DO! I love that VOODOO that you DO!

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:13 | 5138747 knukles
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Needed that exchange :)

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:52 | 5138868 Yen Cross
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 Knuks, It looks like I have a fan. :-)

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 04:24 | 5139556 Majestic12
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" BTW> did those Feinstein, Boxer, Pelosi, turds get polished in that temblor?"

No, but this "Lib" wishes that they did....! 

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 20:42 | 5138652 DOGGONE
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Such variability is news to me. I wonder about the credibility ... Does BLS have similar conclusions?

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 20:49 | 5138666 Cognitive Dissonance
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An imperfect chart/map at best since it doesn't take into consideration huge differences within each state. The booming DC/Northern Virginia area is a universe away from Southwestern Virginia where I live. A 2500 sf 10 year old house that rents for $4,000 in NVA goes for maybe $1200 around here.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 20:49 | 5138679 himaroid
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The river water down here was warm today. Y'all been peeing in it again? 

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:14 | 5138749 TeethVillage88s
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Whoeee Boys I'm Rich!!

If you look around the Denver Area for Condos and see the HOA Fees... it is like $200. Here in the Mid West I found a place in this small city for $40 a month HOAs.

Denver is a vast Metropolitan area, nice people, some good lifestyles out there. Here it is pretty tough & conservative, but have to say the young guys dress city, some pull their pants down, lots of Tattoos across the ages and demographics. I notice a lot of Chinese here at the mall and some must be 2-3rd generation American since they have Tattoos also. And see some Middle East or East Indian Aesthetics like long beards and swami hats.

The mid West is changing... Soon maybe we will look like Toronto full of Asians & Foreign people who drive up Prices where the Fed was unable to bring inflation.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:07 | 5138885 thatthingcanfly
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My Home Owner Agreement with my neighbors is not to stay up shooting the AR with my 7 year-old daughter past nightfall - unless the next day is not a work day, in which case the HOA stipulates I need mount the NVG set behind the optics reticle so we can better see the kerosene level in the beer bottles. Hey, safety first!

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 00:09 | 5139270 TeethVillage88s
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We wish. This is fantasy. The people that buy Condos (even me, if I did it again)... they are supporting the destruction of the USA.

This Incorporation of Government Agencies, Businesses, Charities, Foundations, Churches, NGOs, it is probably what is "Killing US".

Everyone unable to speak their "Truth"... unable to speak their mind... forced to prostitute themselves for a big organization... this is Corruption of the Country & Government.

Spy Agencies... Military Torture... NSA Spying... Data Collection from Universities, County Government, Military Personnel Record, new employments records at Social Security... Websites... Email.... Phone Records...

It is the End.

Bring Out Your Dead.
Bring Out Your Dead.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 01:03 | 5139373 honestann
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Anyone who pays HOA is a complete sucker!

Voluntary slavery.  How shameful.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 07:43 | 5139750 Moe Howard
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They are morons. They pay the fee so they can fuck with the neighbor's personal property rights.


I live in a little town. They built a subdivision for the incoming Federal workers from D.C.. It has a HOA.

I don't have a clue what the HOA provides, the city plows the streets and does all the things a city does. They don't have any "community center" or park for that matter.

The front yards are about the size of a postage stamp, in a area that land is cheap.

The real estate crooks picked the suckers up at the airport, drove them in and sold the houses for about a $50k - $75K [or more] premium over the same size house not in the subdivision. In addition, they used unskilled kids to built them, example - a 8 foot wall 12" out of square.

It's been a few of years now, the same houses are now being resold as the Fed workers transfer, the premium is gone and the buyers still have to pay the HOA fees that provide really nothing but enhanced zoning. I laugh every time I drive by. Suckers.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:45 | 5138839 dhengineer
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I agree, Cog.  Upstate NY, where I now live, is so much different than NYC.  Up here, we bought a fixer-upper wuth a couple of acres for less than $50K and spent about $70k to un-hillbilly it.  Taxes are only about $1200 a year, and we get a significant exemtion from the school taxes, so the actual taxes are closer to $700 a year.  The whole area is quite a bit cheaper than the Catskills and the Hudson valley, not to mention the city.  Plus the people are actually more human here than in southern NY or in Mass, where we once lived.  Even the midwest is not as cheap nor as friendly as we knew it 30 years ago.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 20:46 | 5138667 himaroid
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Good time for Southern brickmasons to take a trip to Cali. Lot's of work and automatic 30% raise.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:27 | 5138982 groundedkiwi
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Good luck with the insurance companies.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:35 | 5139190 Rusty Shorts
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Here's your competition...

Impressively skilled brick layers, Vault contructión.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 08:31 | 5139860 himaroid
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Cool. That's a brick layin' Master Mason Mofo.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 20:53 | 5138689 pocomotion
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I have Jesus Christ in my state so, with the lone exception -- the thirty pieces of silver, what interest does a dollar value have in the crux of things?


May Jesus save us all...

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:43 | 5139025 Bollixed
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Best gardner I ever had...

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:56 | 5139077 SmackDaddy
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jesus can suck my dick

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 20:56 | 5138695 robnume
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I recently stayed in western NC, with my mom, after my only brother died. I'm from California, a native, and I spent one year at my moms. $100.00 would go almost twice as far in NC as it does in my home state. I worked while I was there even though the wages were lower, so was everything else, from home and appliance repair and car repairs as well. If it weren't for those rednecks and country music I would be happy enough there.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 20:58 | 5138705 himaroid
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I'd dam sho stay the hell away. It really sucks. Toofless ignant racist mofo's everwhar!

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:19 | 5138755 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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Still better than Tennesee!


Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:38 | 5139200 BlindMonkey
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I love eastern tenn. Chattanooga is fantastic small city.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 12:23 | 5140862 Dark Space
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Please do.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:00 | 5138708 robnume
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No, Yen Cross, most unfortunately, Pelosi, Feinswine, et al, are all just fine. But you should see the fuckin' cracks near my living room and dining room ceilings! I live in SF North Bay.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:37 | 5138724 Yen Cross
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  Mother Earth should be included at the next G-20>19>18>17>16 (you get my jist) Meetings.

 Great comment by the way. :-D

    I did this quake in '71. It shook a" king sized bed" across the room!  It destroyed everything.

1971 San Fernando earthquake - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

6.6 Sylmar quake almost felled a dam 41 years ago today | L.A. NOW | Los Angeles Times

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:03 | 5138719 adr
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Where I now live in Mass. is a comparative garbage pit to a great suburb in NE Ohio, yet is twice as expensive.

The average 1400sq ft home in crap condition sells for $285k with $4500 per year in property taxes. The schools are garbage, there is virtually no infrastructure, and people call it a cheap area. It is an absolute joke.

There are towns like Fitchburg that have been completely taken over by the drug cartels and people still try to sell homes for $175k+. Please sign me up. Even the supposedly great towns like Harvard, Groton, Lexington, and Concord look more like a low to mid income city in middle America. It is hysterical to drive around this state. I seriously don't know what all these people do for money. I expect most of them bought in before the insanity and are now stuck after blowing the fake gains in new cars and solar panels.

For the same money it takes to live in my current town you can live like a king in Hudson, OH and send your kids to one of the top ranked public school systems in the US. If you have a moderate income you can live in places like Cuyahoga Falls and buy a fantastic home for less than $150k. You get to live in a great community with great amenities and could save enough to send your kids to private school.

Real America is Tennessee, Kentucky, Western Virginia, and North Carolina. Visit that area sometime and see how people are supposed to live.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:27 | 5138791 knukles
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Regardless of variability in pricing, incomes, etc.....  I've noticed a very disturbing trend Nationwide

Go into hotels, restaurants, diners, service stations, etc. even grocery stores and the like.  Things are dirty.  Walls, window sills, floor boards, food stains, etc., all over, floors unkempt, corners dirty and dusty.  Glass needs cleaning....  This is a trend all over the whole country and as most of these types of places are privately owned, it is a crass, brutal statement about the mental condition of the owners, managers, employees and clients.
Nobody gives a shit anymore. 
Years ago it would have simply been unacceptable anywhere to let places go so grungy dirty and stained.... People would have stopped patronizing.
No more

Our values have gone to hell.  We are experiencing a material and spiritual decline in civilization and don't in most cases even notice!

Today, we, we the consumer who choose where and upon what to spend our money, have come to plain downright accept the deterioration in the physical condition about us, the wasting away of the Temporal.
Which is a direct reflection upon the dissolution of our personal innermost ethics, morals and values.
In short, people, we are participating, actively and subliminally in the adulteration of the very fabric of our society, a decline in the moral condition, of our very spiritual foundaitons.
It is stupefying once one notices.

It is a result of an evaporation of self-worth, giving way to false pride that all is well.
It is not.

This is quite a telling aspect as the demise of mankind as there can possibly be.
We are rotting from within.


Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:31 | 5138800 himaroid
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I remember you could do twice the volume of most businesses with half the employees. We were raised to work hard. Loved it too. Hustle, joke, sweat and laugh ALL damn day. Make a buck or two. Never felt like a slave. Felt like a winner. Work hard. Party hard. Everthing taste better when you've earned it. EVERYTHING.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:40 | 5138827 Yen Cross
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 It's Sunday. No Ching Chang/ You'll earn your merits/chits over time " hemorrhoid".

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:45 | 5138838 himaroid
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Same as always.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:49 | 5138849 Yen Cross
Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:01 | 5138852 Oldwood
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Here, Here!

I'm inclined to agree. The futility is apparent everywhere, even in Obama. The sense of just going through the motions.

Trite and overused, but it feels like we are becoming zombies, eating, anything and everything yet tasting nothing.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 00:05 | 5139265 BooMushroom
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When our baby boomer parents got divorced, dad left and mom went to work. Mom learned enough of women's liberation that she didn't think cleaning was that important anyway, so it didn't seem like a big omission to not teach her kids. And since Dad would have any additional wages he earned, confiscated for child support and alimony, he didn't teach hard work.

Then we go to school, and were taught that hard work and manual labor were to be avoided, and college and a desk job was the only legitimate life choice. Also, each of us was a special snowflake who deserved the best regardless of effort anyway.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 00:03 | 5139262 Bear
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What do you get for $4500?

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 04:58 | 5139577 Skateboarder
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30 pro-quality skateboards.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 07:07 | 5139689 Tall Tom
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About Three and a Quarter Ounces of  Physical Gold (including the premiums)???

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 12:24 | 5140871 Dark Space
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2 - 3 acres in the Carolinas

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:28 | 5138794 NoWayJose
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The main difference in the cost of living is land/houses. And in property taxes and various fees.. While there is an illusion that rural areas are cheaper, there are often fewer stores to choose from and choices for all things are more limited. That often means higher prices. If you don't mind going to a high school basketball game, your entertainment is cheaper - but going to a Major League Baseball or NFL game usually adds a long drive and a hefty bill for gas and a hotel on top of the ticket price. A rural resident can eat cheaper at a mom and pop restaurant, but fine dining or ethnic foods are nowhere to be found. Of course the trade off is that a rural resident can get a cheap fish dinner as long as he gets to catch it and cook it himself!

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:50 | 5139053 Bollixed
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I live in a small farming town. The prices are 30% lower at the big regional food chain store in my town then if I make the 45 mile drive to the 'big city'. Same food, same store chain.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 00:08 | 5139269 BooMushroom
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The dirt is cheaper in your town: lower fixed costs are a savings that can be passed on to the customer.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 02:04 | 5139442 SemperFudge
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How are you being downvoted for making a valid point? Rural towns are typically cheaper by virtue of how far away they are from all the things that raise property values. Of course rural land has value too, depending on its location.

Your money goes further in Mississippi because no one else is competing for the great honor of living in Mississippi. On the other hand, NY, LA and Hawaii have some of the most expensive real estate in the world.

Higher $ per square foot/acre = money doesn't take you as far. I solved it.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 04:42 | 5139565 Gavrikon
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You can keep your fucking bread and circuses (ethnic food, and MLB).

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 06:47 | 5139671 Confused
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Yes. Yes. Bread and Circus. In light of his comment in regards to the article, which he brings some fair points to the conversation, your post is silly.

Young people the world over, leave small towns/villages/areas, for big cities. Partly for what was posted. And partly (or mostly) for opportunities (be it work or whatever) that smaller areas can not (or do not) offer. 

Come now. Not everyone would enjoys a good baseball game (or any other sport) is brainless. And ethnic food is always good. Unless of course, you prefer fine American cuisine of fish sticks, American cheese and pop-tarts.

I might remind you, nothing has changed in the world. Wars are fought. Politicians/States corrupt. But life goes on. People keep living. And why not? Our childrens grandchildren will be having the same discourse seen on ZH, and in the decades past. 

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 10:45 | 5140474 Zerozen
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And ethnic food is always good.

Only because Americans have no clue how to cook.

Italians, for example, don't need "ethnic food". Their own cuisine is ethnic enough.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 15:00 | 5141443 Pemaquid
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"You can keep your fucking bread and circuses (ethnic food, and MLB)"
Agreed. Like a previous poster I have experienced Massachusetts and the expense of living there. And, a good many of the people there are basically rude. There are positives like high wages and "culture." But to each his own. I prefer to not live in an urban or suburban environment. We retired to rural Maine. The crime rate is the second lowest in the country. If you are contemplating living here stay away from costal areas where many NY, NJ, etc. congregate. Many have brought their bad attitudes with them so the locals tend to react by being a bit on the nasty side. And if we want culture we visit relatives in Bean Town.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:34 | 5138807 Downtoolong
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Nonetheless,  a Bankster salary of $750k +$10million bonus will get you a brownstone in the upper East Side, a condo in Hawaii, Vail, and Bermuda, and a fleet of Ferraris no matter where you claim residency.  

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:38 | 5138821 Barnaby
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Sure, in Mississippi you can buy 115 McDonald's Value whatevers while in Colorado you can only get 98 almost-identical toxic burgers.

However, if you've got possession of 100 smackers in Colorado, you can score 14 grams of the finest herb in the world. In Mississippi, it's a quarter of ditch weed with room to afford a fohty.

(See how easy it is to move the goalposts?)

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:51 | 5138862 Oldwood
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One might question if you know where the goal posts are.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:59 | 5138894 Barnaby
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Okay, I'll explain it to you: when a leading news service uses "Le Big Mac" as its parity point, I am fain to explore the cleanness of its hands or the purity of its BVDs.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 06:49 | 5139675 Confused
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Thanks for the laugh. And the brilliant comment. 

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:46 | 5138846 Yen Cross
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" GMT-5 . NYT > overvalued 17:1 ES price picking Neanderthals'. .

  Hey ? Tranies are slightly below NasDark? BTFATH!  Bud Fox says so!!!

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 21:54 | 5138872 himaroid
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Grab the durable goods headfake.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:29 | 5138983 Yen Cross
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  Grab the "labor participation rate".

  While you're at it. Grab the PPI and CPI rates.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:11 | 5138933 q99x2
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I'd rather live in Detroit than in Mississippi.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:51 | 5139054 Dave
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You ever been to either one?

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:12 | 5139122 Bear
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A nation garden-spot toss up ... I've been to both and if you like graffiti go to MoTown, if you like murderous humidity go to Ole Miss 

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:33 | 5138995 GOSPLAN HERO
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Dixie is a great place.

All yankee, socialist, AND statist swine - please stay in vile yankee land!




Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:41 | 5139015 Manipuflation
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Not in Minnesota.  Everything that you would never buy is cheap here.  Other than those products, get out your checkbook.  Property taxes are outrageous.  But hey, how else are the cops going to afford their donuts?  I would hate to see a cop get so fat that he could not fit into his Pentagon supplied riot gear.  Do they supply AED's with that riot gear?  

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:44 | 5139017 Manipuflation
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NSA Double post

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:06 | 5139111 Bear
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Looks like you're working a three-peat

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:42 | 5139019 Manipuflation
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Not in Minnesota.  Everything that you would never buy is cheap here.  Other than those products, get out your checkbook.  Property taxes are outrageous.  But hey, how else are the cops going to afford their donuts?  I would hate to see a cop get so fat that he could not fit into his Pentagon supplied riot gear.  Do they supply AED's with that riot gear?  

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:05 | 5139108 Bear
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You sure do if you live in California .... or Mexico

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:40 | 5139012 Creepy A. Cracker
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Source: Bureau of Economic Analysis.

Are these numbers are similar to the "unemployment" numbers issued by another gubermint agency?  Or like the economic numbers that went stunningly positive just before Dear Leader's 2nd election?

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 22:55 | 5139072 Yen Cross
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 I'm Paul Krugman and I authorize these statistics.

 This is the U,S. MACRO Tier (3) from the Last 2 weeks/ Right before Jack HOLE! You tell me that these figures instill confidence in our equity (ponzi) markets!

09:45       USD         Bloomberg Consumer Confidence     36.8           36.2    
0       USD         NY Empire State Manufacturing Index     14.69     20.00     25.60      
08:30       USD         PPI (YoY)     1.7%     1.8%     1.9%      
08:30       USD         PPI (MoM)     0.1%     0.1%     0.4%      
09:00       USD         Overall Net Capital Flow     -153.50B           33.10B    
09:00       USD         TIC Net Long-Term Transactions     -18.7B     27.3B     18.6B    
09:00       USD         TIC Net Long-Term Transactions including Swaps     -30.20B           7.70B    
09:00       USD         US Foreign Buying, T-bonds     -20.80B           25.00B      
09:15       USD         Capacity Utilization Rate     79.2%     79.2%     79.1%      
09:15       USD         Industrial Production (MoM)     0.4%     0.3%     0.4%    
09:55       USD         Michigan Consumer Expectations       66.2     73.0     71.8      
09:55       USD         Michigan Consumer Sentiment       79.2     82.5     81.8    

  I DO MY Homework! BITCHEZ


Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:00 | 5139091 Space Animatoltipap
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Everything is totally personal. Of course. Being attached to "averages" is only for ignorant, blind people.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:06 | 5139103 paperjoe
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Look at W's home state Texas where $100 is worth $100.63.  That's a fair deal and obviously some good forward thinking and advance policy has been implemented here my friends.


God bless George W. Bush

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:03 | 5139107 Bear
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DC ... Everyone there is filthy rich

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:16 | 5139140 Creepy A. Cracker
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True.  Government employees are the 1%.  Multi-million dollar valued pensions and jobs guarenteed for life - no matter performance.  Hard to beat.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:20 | 5139153 Curt W
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This is the reason a national minimum wage is BS

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:26 | 5139170 Fred Hayek
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Actually $100 sent to DC from any of the 50 states turns out to not be worth a fvcking penny.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:28 | 5139173 MKD
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In sydney 100 dollars you cannot wipe your ass with.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 00:02 | 5139256 Bear
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$2.00 for cheap soda


Mon, 08/25/2014 - 07:17 | 5139696 Tall Tom
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Sure you can. Is it not paper?


After you wipe your ass with it then you can still spend it on something,  right?


I shove my used toilet paper into Slot Machines at the Casino.

Sun, 08/24/2014 - 23:47 | 5139223 Rastadamus
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I live in San Francisco pulling in $100,000 anbd living in the park.


Mon, 08/25/2014 - 00:41 | 5139325 Bear
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But Golden Gate Park is top of the line

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 00:49 | 5139340 Azwethinkweiz
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Everyone should just move to California and apply for EBT. Have a credit card? Perfect, pay the monthly minimum and you can live behind a gate, drive a brand new SUV, take your family to high priced restaurants, go watch the dodgers, lakers and clippers courtside and live until QEinfinity till there's no more chairs.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 00:59 | 5139369 teslaberry
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funny i thought the answer to this whole article was "whatever the fed wants it to be"


an israeli travelling to the united states summed it up to me best, he said,---the major power centers of the united states are going to turn the rural areas into an impoverished third world status. 


i believe the reason that hisotrians say popular rebellions always have their roots in the rural areas is in part because the cities not only turn the rural areas into shitholes by debasement and plunder------but because the cultural perception of these areas as 'wastelands' allows significant numbers of people to gather safely and plan out how to demolish the cities. 


the only thing is-----the internal combustion engine and technological networks we've created enable the city dwellers and spy operators to keep very close tabs on the rural areas relative to the past. in the past, 100 miles was actually a pretty fucking long distance away, especially if there were mountains. 


i've been to israel many times. my great grandmorther was born in jersulam far before the first house of tel aviv was even built north of the ancient city of yafoh ( now a relic of tel aviv on its southern edge and still pretty fucking cool looking with seriously ancient street stones ) 


back then , the 36 or so miles from the low 'hills' of jerusalem at 2500 feet above sea level were a very full day of carriage riding, some times more. 

now with highways and cars you can go to jerusalem in the morning and be back to tel aviv before lunchtime if there's not too much traffic.



i mean, that is one small example of not to recent difference in 'distance' and its relation to the historical patterns of political conflict. 


if it takes you less time to get somewhere, it takes you less time to control it. then again, it could work both ways, and mean the 'rebels' take less time to take destructive measures. 


the way things are going, it looks like controlled destruction is very much part of the narrative the powers that be want to use to push society forward. i think they are ok with rural rebellion so long as it fits the pattern they seek. 

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 01:55 | 5139436 SemperFudge
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That's why Mississippi, Alabama, Missouri and South Dakota are the best states to live in.

-Said no one ever.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 02:06 | 5139445 SemperFudge
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Rural towns are typically cheaper by virtue of how far away they are from all the things that raise property values. And of course rural land has value too, depending on its location and a bunch of other factors.

Your money goes further in Mississippi because no one else is competing for the great honor of living in Mississippi. On the other hand, NY, LA and Hawaii have some of the most expensive real estate in the world.

Higher $ per square foot/acre = money doesn't take you as far. I solved it.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 02:56 | 5139474 VWAndy
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Its not really a good way to measure moneys value. Measrue it against a gallon of gas.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 03:19 | 5139499 viedoklis_lv
Mon, 08/25/2014 - 04:54 | 5139573 Gavrikon
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Western "Ukrainian" NWO agitprop.

Surely you can do better than that, asshat.


Mon, 08/25/2014 - 03:36 | 5139511 viedoklis_lv
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Armed men with bayonet-equipped automatic rifles parade several dozen captured soldiers, their hands tied behind their backs, through the streets among crowds shouting “fascists” and other insults. Behind the parade, three cleaning trucks “cleanse” the streets where the detainees just walked.

Sadly, this is not a scene from an old black-and-white news reel about World War II. This took place today in Donetsk, a city in eastern Ukraine controlled by pro-Russian separatist forces. The soldiers were captured members of Ukrainian forces. And it’s now in color, all over YouTube and other social media.

Apparently inspired by a parade of 60,000 German prisoners of war in Moscow in 1944, rebel forces in Donetsk decided to mark Ukrainian Independence Day with a blatant violation of the laws of war. A few days ago, pro-rebel media said that “Prime minister of DPR, A. V. Zakharchenko, just now ordered the presentation of damaged military vehicles of the Ukrop [Ukrainian] army on the Lenin square on August 24. And prisoners will be escorted through the city, like their German inspirers were in Moscow.” 

The Geneva Conventions’ common article 3, which applies to all non-international armed conflicts, prohibits “outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment.” This parade is a clear violation of that absolute prohibition, and may be considered a war crime.

Russia should exert its considerable influence over the separatist forces in eastern Ukraine to ensure that detainees are treated humanely and with dignity. That means also not parading detainees through the streets for public insult and scorn.  

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 04:54 | 5139576 Gavrikon
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Yes, those evil "separitists."  How dare they give the young fellows who were shooting them food and shelter!

You are on the wrong fucking forum to get any kind of sympathy here, douchbag.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 05:32 | 5139599 viedoklis_lv
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Don't worry troll, I'm gona stay here because I know who runs this site:

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 05:23 | 5139593 viedoklis_lv
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Russians rally to Finland in order to get food that was banned by Stalin.. tfu... I mean Putin


Mon, 08/25/2014 - 06:21 | 5139643 Zwelgje
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ostentatious twat. 

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!