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WHO Lied As Congo Admits To Ebola Outbreak While Ebola-Infected Brit Returns Home
Last week, when we reported on the latest breakout of a mysterious Ebola-like disease, which had claimed at least 70 people's live at last check, we were skeptical by the WHO's attempts to mask the fact that an Ebola outbreak is something else entirely, in a desperate attempt to avoid the panic that would inevitably result from the confirmation that the Ebola virus has officially made its way into the fifth country, this time the second largest African nation by surface area, the Democratic Republic of Congo.
As Reuters reported at the time, citing a WHO spokesman who had sent an email to the news agency, "this is not Ebola" to which we mused: "perhaps the WHO is fibbing just a bit to prevent another all out panic. If not Ebola then what? According to WHO, the deaths are the result of an outbreak of hemorrhagic gastroenteritis, a disease prevalent in... dogs?
We concluded: "So is the WHO simply trying to prevent the spread of panic and deny that Ebola has now spread to the second largest country in Africa? We will surely find out soon enough, especially if the WHO, too, advises the population "to keep calm and BTFD"..."
Three days later we have the answer and sure enough, as we suspected the WHO was indeed lying.
Reuters confirms: Democratic Republic of Congo declared an Ebola outbreak in its northern Equateur province on Sunday after two out of eight cases tested came back positive for the deadly virus, Health Minister Felix Kabange Numbi said. A mysterious disease has killed dozens of people in Equateur in recent weeks but the World Health Organization had said on Thursday it was not Ebola.
"I declare an Ebola epidemic in the region of Djera, in the territory of Boende in the province of Equateur," Kabange Numbi told a news conference.
The region lies about 1,200 km (750 miles) north of the capital Kinshasa.
Numbi said that one of the two cases that tested positive was for the Sudanese strain of the disease, while the other was a mixture between the Sudanese and the Zaire strain -- the most lethal variety. The outbreak in West Africa that has killed at least 1,427 people in West Africa since March is the Zaire strain.
The World Health Organization said on Thursday that the disease which had killed at least 70 people in Equateur was a kind of hemorrhagic gastroenteritis.
Sadly, this simply means that the WHO is just the latest global organization willing to sacrifice its credibility in order to avoid the spread of social panic, even though the truth always emerges in the end, and when society realizes it can't even trust those mandated with telling the truth, the end panic is orders of magnitude worse.
One wonders: if the WHO was lying about this what other critical development is the organization fabricating and/or covering up?
And in a gruesome and very ironic twist, CNN reports that it was the very same World Health Organization, whose worker has fallen ill from Ebola for the very first time. The health worker is in Sierra Leone and receiving care, the WHO said, but provided no further details.
That's not all: separately, a British citizen infected with the virus in Sierra Leone is being flown home in a specially equipped C17 Royal Air Force plane.
Plane carrying first British #Ebola patient has landed at RAF Northolt in London
— Sky News Newsdesk (@SkyNewsBreak) August 24, 2014
Nigerian doctors, who had been on nationwide strike, have decided "due to the national health emergency" to return to work Monday. And meanwhile, Ivory Coast announced Saturday that it's closing its borders in response to the Ebola outbreak in West Africa as the official death toll (excluding 'shadow zones') reaches 1,427; and over 2600 cases as Liberia cases literally explode.
As CNN reports, a WHO health worker has become infected..
For the first time, a worker with the World Health Organization has fallen ill from Ebola, the WHO told CNN on Sunday.
The health worker is in Sierra Leone and receiving care, the WHO said. No further details were given immediately.
Since the beginning of the international response to the outbreak in March, WHO has deployed nearly 400 people from across the Organization and from partners in the Global Outbreak Alert and Response Network (GOARN) to help respond to the disease in Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria and Sierra Leone. This is the first time someone working under the aegis of WHO has fallen ill with the disease.
The Ebola virus is spread through contact with bodily fluids and people giving care or working around infected patients are known to be a high risk group. In the past six months of the outbreak, more than 225 health workers have fallen ill and nearly 130 have lost their lives to the disease they were working to contain.
Which again makes one wonder - just how easily is this disease really spread if nearly half a year after the start of the epidemic the world's most protected individuals can catch it despite all protective measures?
And separately...
a British citizen infected with the virus in Sierra Leone is being flown home, the British Department of Health announced Sunday.
The man, simply identified as William, lives in the West African nation in a home established by an American university for researchers.
He is a volunteer nurse in Kenema Government Hospital, where he was working with Ebola patients, according to Dr. Robert Garry of Tulane University.
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The UK government said a specially equipped C17 Royal Air Force plane would transport the patient, who would be transferred to an isolation unit at the Royal Free London NHS Foundation Trust.
"UK hospitals have a proven record of dealing with imported infectious diseases and this patient will be isolated and will receive the best care possible," said deputy chief medical officer John Watson in a press release.
Meanwhile:
Ivory Coast announced Saturday that it's closing its borders in response to the Ebola outbreak in West Africa.
Prime Minister Daniel Duncan signed the order that closes the land borders Ivory Coast shares with Guinea and Liberia.
The borders will remain closed until further notice in an effort to prevent the Ebola virus from spreading into its territory, according to the government statement.
Finally, Nigerian doctors announced they will return to work after ending a nationwide strike:
- NIGERIAN DOCTORS END NATIONWIDE STRIKE, TO RESUME WORK TOMORROW
- NIGERIAN DOCTORS END STRIKE DUE TO NATIONAL HEALTH EMERGENCY
- DOCTORS TO RETURN TO WORK WHILE CONTINUING NEGOTIATIONS
- NIGERIAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT OBEMBE COMMENTS IN ABUJA
And visually, Liberian deaths and cases have exploded
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"When it becomes serious, you have to lie."
Eeeeeeebolaaaaaa.
Like Zionist mofo Rahm Emanuel's quote..."Never let a serious crisis goes to waste"
Eeeeeeeebolaaaaaaa!
WHO says?
WHO knows?
The internet sure make those in power look foolish...because they are.
Voters wake up!
Repost from yesterday:
OK, then kinda O/T but not too far as everybody is in need of Ebola porn to go with the main course of war and side order of earthly delights of disasters, in today's vein, volcano style....
Check out Flightaware and Flightradar specifically the Western Coast of Africa.
Not shit for aircraft.
Hah!
So the deafening silence (crickets) of an unannounced Cordon Sanitaire (remember folks, nothing to worry about and we wouldn't want to have to change our tunes, now, would we) looks to have been imposed.
Booyah! And no news about it.
Further, anybody else but me "curious" as to just fucking how that "experimental" vaccine ZMAPP managed to cure this oddly new and utterly heretofore unknown strain of Ebola, just in the nick of time? Big bidnez and MIC turning the whole of the West Coast into a vaccine factory? N'how come the stuff's always come out of the wild and been able to be contained to a few rural villages and this time, ba boom, right in the bigger cities? And which country was it told the US Army to stop the "experiments"?
No problems, eh?
So why no flights?
Hmmmm?
Nada and crickets for breakfast lunch and dinner.
The day of judgement draws nearer.
Everyone on Earth will be exposed to Ebola, it's just a matter of time now. And yes, that includes you and everyone you care or don't care about.
I've been reading up on the literature, such as it is. This stuff is weird. Most viruses are spiky balls, Ebola/Marburg/Reston are filoviruses, long strings or snakes that can mat up and do massive damage. Ebola attacks every tissue, cell, and fluid in the body except bone, and tries to turn the whole body into a mass of virus, leading to a final bleed out. More like science fiction than ordinary fact.
Contagion is flaky to say the least. Several doctors and researchers were sure they had it and were going to die, but were never infected. In other cases whole medical teams died from relatively little contact. There appear to be no "mild cases" of Ebola. That alone should tell us it is very different. This will be a strange ride.
kaiserhoff,
Massive vitamin C consumption/IV application has been tested successfully against EEEboowwLLAAhh.
Nanosilver 10ppm successfully US govt tested against EEEboowwLLAAhhh.
Information restricted... of course.
Look it up me no post link, me no have body armor.
I'm a big believer in alternative medicine, but the problem here is knowing when you are infected. Symptoms are headache, backache, lethargy, 99.9% of the time that's just a flu bug. Symptoms usually start about 7 days after infection. If your defenses haven't kicked in, you're in deep shit.
Needles are a big source of contagion. Those most at risk will be health care workers, those crowded in institutions, and heroin addicts. It's an ill wind that blows no good;)
Good news, you can take Vitamin C all day everyday, stock up before the FDA bans it.
I'll repeat myself. Shut down WHO and prosecute its managers.
And that 'volunteer nurse' in Kenema Government Hospital who is being flown back to the UK has another undiscussed affiliation, I’ll wager. It is just the same for all the western personnel at that hospital.
I'll repeat myself. Shut down WHO and prosecute its managers.
Yeah genius, where's all this info about the ebola outbreak coming from again??
Would love to see all y'all brilliant minds go to africa and deal with an emerging outbreak of Ebola across half a dozen countries with a myriad of languages + internationals frequently flying in and out whilst managing hundreds of people out of tents in the jungle.
OMG they made one mistake and have already corrected it.
Give your heads a shake.
"Would love to see all y'all brilliant minds go to africa and deal with ....internationals frequently flying in and out whilst managing hundreds of people out of tents in the jungle."
WHO recommended that flights to West Africa continue, because, as WHO stated, to shut them down might hurt the airlines bottom lines. So mistake number two and it's a big one, because flying around is the only way Ebola leaves Africa.
Then there was the flu hoax of a couple of years ago. Mistake three.
It's clear that WHO's decisions are driven by something other than public health.
African borders should be sealed and a no fly zone enforced.
African borders should be sealed and a no fly zone enforced.
Yes I'm sure WHO could unilaterally declare 'African borders' shut and no flights across AFRICA... Do you have access to a map where you are??
You realize many of the people who've contracted the virus are returning to their home countries with the knowledge/ support of their governments?
If this was an outbreak in kansas would it be smart to declare a no-fly zone across north america and close all borders with the continent???
Some of you guys are so clueless...
Ebola is not real, its a delayed reaction to the Flu vaccine they forced on everyone a few years ago.
Not sure I agree with you. The best way to deal with an outbreak of this nature in this day and age is absolutely swift and decisive action. Shutting all the borders may be painful and bring about massive short term inconvenience but so what, compared to the possible alternative.
We humans cannot grasp the exponetial function, whether it relate to population growth, oil consumption, energy consumption, debt creation or the transmission of disease. Due to virulent diseases like ebola spreading exponentially is EXACTLY why it has to be contained with brutal swiftness. Either deal with it now or it can quickly become impossible to contain.
With the advent of air travel and high density living you may well be bleeding from your eyes and asshole in the not too distant future. We humans are living in an environment that requires far greater maturity than we have at our disposal. We play games with nuclear power and biological weapons as if they were a childs science experiment.
One day, very soon, we are going to wake to news that will leave us frozen with fear. It's one thing reading the aforementioned sentence, it'll be entirely different kettle of fish when it happens. We are collectively skating on very thin ice.
People are clueless. You can tell them the physical truth right to their face and they won't get it because they don't understand how the world works.
Well la dee da. Time for a crash course in how to clarify your thinking. We're going to clean out the gene pool one of these days, sweep out a bunch of too stupid to live.
The best way to deal with an outbreak of this nature in this day and age is absolutely swift and decisive action. Shutting all the borders
Obviously this is a) not possible b) if it were possible it would not be the best course of action. Closing off the area would likely mean more people getting infected. If you want to contain a virus it's important the right medical professionals + supplies can move in and out so that the disease can be properly dealth with.
Y'all realize this is NOT the first ebola outbreak???
With the advent of air travel and high density living you may well be bleeding from your eyes and asshole in the not too distant future. We humans are living in an environment that requires far greater maturity than we have at our disposal. We play games with nuclear power and biological weapons as if they were a childs science experiment.
Over ten years ca 1300s 50% of european population was killed off by bubonic plague, avg life expentency has doubled in the past 100 yrs. Exponential growth is typically followed by exponential decay. Of things you will die from prematurely, car accident is right near the top. Do you still drive?? Well, that makes no sense now does it?
There are real threats and imaginary threats, humans are shit at distinguishing between the two and spend a lot of time worrying about things which they shouldn't (death by shark?).
So many people on here are terrified of all sorts of nonsense. The whole premise of this article is absurd, yet people are buying it without cynicism.
Everyone dies, most in very boring ways.
If you don't think we should use a quarantine, maybe you should listen to someone with practical, real world experience, in dealing with Ebola. Laurie Garrett would strongly disagree with what you are saying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_ysXjzF68s
Start watching at 2:20
Discussion of quarantine begins at 11:00.
If you don't think we should use a quarantine
I didn't say no quarantine, I said you can't shut down the continent of africa, something she didn't suggest trying either. The panel is saying pretty much the same as what I'm saying.
"You realize many of the people who've contracted the virus are returning to their home countries with the knowledge/ support of their governments?"
No shit, sherlock. The governments are culpable. All personnel should have sheltered in place in Africa.
WHO cannot seal the borders or ground flights, but as supposed experts thay could have called for it and put the onus on governments.
Kansas? All flights out of Kansas are grounded and the borders of Kansas get sealed. The great state of Kansas gets to -- what, Jimbo?
That's, right, shelter in place.
WHO cannot seal the borders or ground flights, but as supposed experts thay could have called for it and put the onus on governments.
Well, you're the expert. Go in and explain to them how to contain ebola. Sure, they've done it before. But your expertise would no doubt be invaluable!
"So here's what we do... seal off Africa. Gawddamnit don't tell me that's impossible!!"
Not much needed in the way of extertise here. The effective answer is obvious to anyone who has protecting the vast majority of people on this planet as their goal.
Sealing borders, closing airports and enforcing no fly zones are things that the military are very good at. Close down the airports and, practically speaking, Africa is sealed off. Could be done in less than a day.
"I am not a crook."
And what is the bet that the reason these individuals are being flown to the west for "Treatment" is so the MIC in each country can get their hands on a sample of the virus. Something this lethal is a lot cheaper than a SLBM or any other form of nuke. Find a country that threatens to go off the dollar and bingo, within 21 days they have been offed.
And if you think the "truth tellers" on either side of the Atlantic have any form of moral code whatsoever to inhibit such action well, I've got some FRNs I want to sell you.
They can go to Africa and get a smaple of the virus. Couple drops of blood, and you're done.
If anything, the bring the schmoe back to treat the virus and monitor how the patient reacts, which yes is better done in the US.
What are they testing? No idea.
Probably nothing you'll ever hear about. Certainly not that ZMAPP stuff.
kaiserhoff,
Nanosilver may be preemptively consumed.
Ea$ily $o if one owns the equipment to produce.
Amazingly effect upon those with weak immune systems aka, processed food addicts.
They were given an experimental treatment developed by Mapp Biopharmaceutical Inc., a small biotechnology company based in San Diego.
It’s not known whether the treatment aided their recoveries, or whether Brantly’s and Writebol’s own immune systems fought off the virus.
Brantly had also received a blood transfusion from a 14-year-old survivor, according to Samaritan’s Purse, the Christian charity organization that ran the Ebola clinic where Brantly worked as medical director.
Standard treatment is to keep patients hydrated, replace lost blood and use antibiotics to fight off opportunistic infections.
The goal is for the body’s immune system to eventually beat the disease. Ebola has historically killed as many as 90% of those who contract it.
The current outbreak has claimed the lives of about 55% of its victims.
EXCERPT FROM: Both U.S. Ebola Patients Released From Atlanta Hospital, 21 August 2014 (Bloomberg) http://www.bloomberg.com/news/print/2014-08-21/both-u-s-ebola-patients-r...
NIH Wants Blood From 'NATURALLY' Exposed Ebola Survivors in Congo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6r7cRFmUpJs
yeah, won't survivors have immunities to getting the predominant strain again?
Survivors have antibodies. Using their blood serum you can transfer immunity to another patient, if you get a jump on it.
But it doesn't scale. Strictly a one-off thing, unless they ramp up a real factory for it. Maybe then. Someday.
It makes great newspaper copy, but means nothing.
You're right, I just checked Plane Finder HD, not one single flight, absolutely nothing at all! Zero... Nada... Not even on the ground, all transponders off. Wow!
The airlines might not be getting enough bookings to fly the routes. Or at least not regularly. Who wants to fly into that hell-hole anyway?
I don't think they can cancel air travel in/out of Africa without the news getting out inside 12 hours. Too many people involved.
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AIDS didn't quite pan out like they hoped so now they will try Ebola to clear out that resource rich continent.
Dummy. They don't have to "clear out the continent" to get at anything. Been taking whatever they want for 150 years.
"Voters wake up!"
That's all you got?
Might as well say "start infiltrating DieBold so you can counter-act the virote rigging!"
You think your vote matters?
Exit poll surveys at every voting precinct might raise some eyebrows.
Remember how fast Gore threw in the towel? He didn't want to expose the "real deal".
Gore was a big pussy, bought and paid for assclown, and so ared the rest of them.
Funny, tyler goes on about WHO 'lying' (quite a difference between being wrong during a fast moving event and lying) and then shows two charts based on.....WHO data. lol
Interesting that basically all the data on the ebola outbreak is coming from WHO yet they are lying about certains asepcts as some form of cover-up to data they themselves are putting out?
I know we are risking the integrity of our entire organization, but americans must not know that the outbreak has spread to CONGO. Once they hear it's hit CONGO we're talking mass unrest, social collapse, economic obliteration...if our lying can hold off this horrible secret, even for a few days it'll be worth it.
I read about this outbreak in Congo on other news sites....and the WHO was quick to say it wasn't Ebola-related. They lied about it in the Congo.
Let Tyler call them out on it when (s)he is proven right.
The WHO said last week those deaths were not Ebola-related, but WHO spokesman Gregory Hartl said by email Sunday that the information was the result of "miscommunication from the field."
Hartl said on Twitter that samples tested at a national laboratory were positive for Ebola and that the results of confirmation tests from a laboratory in Gabon would likely come back Monday.
Again, massive difference between LYING and being wrong.
The magnitude of the Ebola outbreak has been underestimated because families hide infected relatives in their homes, the World Health Organization (WHO) says.
Interesting strategy for covering up the scale of outbreak..
Two cases is not yet an epidemic. Must be a bad translation.
Hobby, dude, did you just call Tyler a shemale?
yeah, example of PC at it's worst. probably the fight club isn't the right place to worry about that kind of thing.
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This announcement has been brought to you by the World Health Organization, a division of the Zero Credibility Group, Llc.
"To tell the truth, when it becomes serious, don't tell the truth."
Reminds me of the FED saying they aren't blowing asset bubbles using public debt, and their dual mandates are to promote employment and control inflation.
Only time will tell if this Ebola outbreak is a pandemic or isolated and not easily transmissible. No one seems to be telling the truth anywhere.
...the impact on the broader economy and financial markets of the problems in the subprime market seems likely to be contained.
Ben Bernanke
March 28, 2007
They might, and only might, admit it was here in the US , when the bodies lying
in the streets blocked Obozo's presidential convoy from taking him to the first tee.
We live in a faith based system ,loss of faith is just as contagious as this apparent
mutant ebola strain.
Full faith and credit.
No-one's "telling the truth" because at this stage no-one really knows.
Major outbreak in desperately poor Countries, with next-to-nothing in the way of Public Health systems, let alone surveillance. Add in the almost God-like power of the local tribal warlords (who decide what "their people" do, and whether "their people" get outside help), a distrust of "Western" medicine (even the "Educated Elite" still believe in witchcraft / "tribal" medicine), and the picture is exceedingly grim.
If you listen to the past Official (i.e. WHO) podcasts, and "read between the lines", you'd know that the WHO have very clearly admitted their data are but a fraction of the likley true morbidity / mortality cases, and as I've pointed out many times on ZH and elsewhere, without accurate data, there can be no reliable forecasts, since epidemiological predictions are purely statistical, and "garbage in" to the models certainly results in "garbage out" in terms of relaibility.
West Point's going to be fun: as they die, they'll become food for the vermin. Rats ARE asymptomatic vectors for some Ebola strains, and I wish their Army all the best acting as rat catchers. Rats can travel fast, and far, so it'll spread, as sure as night follows day.
As for the "Great Hope" that acclimatisation within our species will result in attenuation - might be useful to remember our "old friend" Smallpox; an ENTIRELY HUMAN pathogen (hence the success of the vaccination campaign), which has circulated in our species for millennia. After millions of human-human passages, the mortality rate (of the most common variant) was still 30% +. So, don't be expecting low-percentage mortality for Ebola any time soon.
Even if we were astonishingly fortunate to see such a precipitous drop in mortality, remember that with a 30% kill rate, Smallpox was regarded as an acceptable biological weapon. That level of attrition "across the board" would mean the permanent end of Western Society as we know it, and quickly.
would mean the permanent end of Western Society as we know it, and quickly.
Does this mean that in a month the last two living floor traders on the Wall Street exchange will be moving shares back and forth between themselves and driving equity prices through the roof?
Or that after we are all gone the untended algo's will take the S&P to heights never imagined by humankind?
Sorry the be facetious in response to your serious (and very informative) comment but I do not have much confidence in the oligarchic administration of any government, either West African or just Western in general.
The situation is set to deteriorate rapidly over the next few weeks. By then the news out of Africa will be mostly hand-waving guess work. I think we can already see that happening. The press conferences will become jokes; we just don't know what's happening.
I think this bug got past them. It's in the wild and moving quickly. They might keep it to Africa, but I think the days of ebola being a feature of the African bush are over. It's in the cities, and it will probably stay there killing people by the scores are a time, and completely unreported. Until if makes another jump, maybe into South America. Maybe Mexico. Some place with similar issues of poor health care and lax reporting. In new hosts it will learn new tricks, and perhaps become something of nightmares.
Just basic biology at this point. Nothing unexpected here. Events are in control, all we can do is watch.
Here is what I think. They have spent 40 years studying it and they still don't know the basics. I think in order to understand the beast they have to have lots and lots of cases so that they can test hypothesis and check findings. And no I am not suggesting that they created this crisis to do that, but I think they will learn more in analysing the data from this outbreak than they have in the last 40 years.
One ebola expert swears that you cannot transfer it by sitting next to someone on an airplane (unless that someone is a pig) http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2014/08/03/are-we-sure-ebola-isnt-airb... . But they can't know that because it is not like they had humans sitting next infected humans to test the theory. They can only extrapolate and assume.
It is of great importance that they not be proven wrong. They have written papers and have stated outright what the facts are (based on their extrapolations and assumptions). They have the bias to protect their hypothesis.
Did WHO lie or make a mistake? Both I think. They probably have a culture that assumes that every new case in a different place is NOT ebola. It makes sense, it is a very odd occurance for it to break out. It happens but most of the suspected cases are proving not to be ebola. So they take the slightest evidence that it is not ebola and proclaim that from the rooftops. I think the lie comes in when they said declaratively that it wasn't ebola, instead of saying that the evidence does not support ebola. They need to be very careful with their language. And only state facts or clearly identified opinions.
Of course 'they' will lie.
One-finger salute from Mother Nature.
Love, Mom
"Sadly, this simply means that the WHO is just the latest global organization willing to sacrifice its credibility in order to avoid the spread of social panic, even though the truth always emerges in the end, and when society realizes it can't even trust those mandated with telling the truth, the end panic is orders of magnitude worse."
Unfortunately, the WHO has morphed, some years ago, into yet another private interests lobbies front organization. There is no more reliable WHO, hasn't been for quite a while. Don't trust them.
Global collapse can't come fast enough....
http://olduvai.ca
The two strains indicate two different carriers. Have fun, this stuff can actually be broadcast through the air. Not as easily as other ways, but still it can happen.
It'll be a hundred strains when it gets here...
Don't mess with strains down in Aaa-aaa-frica...
In Toto...
I seek to cure what's deep inside, frightened of this thing that I've become
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what does dorothy's dog have to do with it?
"Numbi said that one of the two cases that tested positive was for the Sudanese strain of the disease, while the other was a mixture between the Sudanese and the Zaire strain -- the most lethal variety. "
NOW WE HAVE A VERY FUCKING SERIOUS PROBLEM.
Forgive me if I am wrong; but:
THIS REPORT SEEMS TO INDICATE THAT THE VIRUS IS MUTATING VERY QUICKLY AND THAT THERE ARE NOW THREE DISTINCT STRAINS:
1. SUDANESE ( purportedly fewer fatalities, higher transmission rate )
2. ZAIRIAN ( purportedly higher fatalities, lower transmission rate )
3. SUDANSE-ZAIRIAN HYBRID ( ??? -oh shit- ??? )
Further: the WHO cannot be trusted.
...& IF the WHO cannot be trusted then it is very highly likely that the CDC and the Governments cannot be trusted.
As Individuals We HAVE NO CHOICE now but to err on the side of precausion -thus the only rational position is to distrust ALL official information, statistics and directives.
Credibility ain't cheap and someone just blew a fucking fortune in it.
It's even worse. Marburg came from the Mount Entebbe region, (Uganda).
Reston originated in monkeys imported from Mindanao, Philippines.
Looks like any tropical place with monkies, fruit bats, whatever, could be a source.
.shit. senior moment or Ebola?
For the past few years, I have not trusted one single data point that has been trumpeted by any government organizaiton or large bureaucracy. I include giant corporations in the latter. These institutions will tell the story that they want to tell regardless of the facts.
I hear you, Hoss.
Hey, Throxx, that sentence in the above post hit me like a ton of bricks also.
I was a little surprised at its seeming significance was not picked up by Tyler or our previous commenters.
Perhaps some of our more informed ZHers can expound upon this aspect.
"while the other was a mixture between the Sudanese and the Zaire strain"
hard to interpret that, actually. I can tell you that determining things like strain and hybridization are complex, takes a long time lots of sequencing work in a lab. Many months of effort. I don't think someone reporting out of Africa on-the-ground is the one to have done it.
Are they saying that from serum analysis they had some patients with one strain and some patients with the other strain? That sound's fishy, too.
I wouldn't read to much into it.
I don't know if the WHO blew it as such. I think the locals were the ones saying it was not ebola. I commented at the time, yeah right say whatever you want to say, nobody cares what you think. Maybe the WHO reported what was being said on the ground, don't know why they would even bother. I guess everyone is trying to sound informed now. Well that's sure going to backfire.
Anyway, try not to run away with things. We just don't know squat, is the truth. Nor will we know anything, the information pipes are all cut now, all we are going to get is rumor.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/25/world/africa/ebola-outbreak/index.html?hpt...
"The World Health Organization said that the nation did its own tests, and the U.N. agency's lab is conducting its own confirmation testing that will also determine the strain of the virus found.
Congo said its test showed the strain is different from the one that has killed nearly 1,500 people in the West African nations of Guinea, Sierra Leone, Liberia and Nigeria.
Experts have described the West African outbreak as the worst in the history of the virus. Ebola first appeared in 1976 in Sudan and Congo, and takes its name from a river with the same name in the latter nation.
Congo, which is in central Africa, has had six previous outbreaks since the disease appeared on its shores, the World Health Organization said.
Africa has been limited to three strains: Bundibugyo, Zaire and Sudan. Though Congo has had the Zaire strain in the past, it's unclear whether it's the same one in the latest outbreak.
WHO said its confirmation testing will likely be done Monday. Last week, 13 people died of a mysterious ailment in the Boende area, but the WHO said at the time that their deaths were a result of a " viral hemorrhagic fever of undetermined origin."
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A major outbreak in Congo would be catastrophic; it shares borders with nine nations, including Rwanda, Uganda and Burundi."
Cougar "I can tell you that determining things like strain and hybridization are complex, takes a long time lots of sequencing work in a lab. Many months of effort. I don't think someone reporting out of Africa on-the-ground is the one to have done it."
Er... You're out of date and behind on sequencing technology. Modern sequencing machines/techniques can sequence something like ebola so fast it would make your head swim. You're talking about state-of-the-art 20 years or so ago. Granted, such tecnology isn't readily available in most of Africa.
The first rule of Ebola club is . . .
"Keep Calm BTFD"
Where is the add to cart button? That'd be great on a hat or t-shirt.
Bullish for facemasks, Fortresses of Solitude.
WHO's lies are more dangerous than ebola.
If WHO personnel don't know, they should say they don't know, and only if testing has proven it's not ebola should they say "it isn't ebola".
Only when someone knows the truth can they take precautions to protect themselves.
If "authorities" lie, those who have their heads in the sand might not take precautions and might become infected and infect others, and that is how epidemics get out of control.
#1 SAFETY PRECAUTION: LYING BY THOSE "IN CHARGE" HAS TO STOP. SINCE LYING MAY NOT STOP, ACT ACCORDINGLY. BE VIGILANT. PROTECT YOUR KIDS AND GRANDKIDS.
OK, so I was wrong (I'm not psychic)... there is a slight difference between-
the deaths are the result of an outbreak of "haemorrhagic fever whose nature remains to be determined"
and
the deaths are the result of an outbreak of "hemorrhagic gastroenteris"
apparently CTRL-C, CTRL-P isn't quite good enough WHO work...
but I'll stand by: Which do you trust more- the growing pile of corpses or the health department spokes-bitches?
It's just not the human way to state openly that you don't know.
More people die from car wrecks (PER MONTH) than this contrived WHO epidemic.
Exponential growth and all that jazz. Last I recalled, car wreck death's go exponential.
Yeah well, somebody nudge me when it cracks 30k and I'll take another gander at it.
See ya in a week.
Prediction time? You sayin it will be 30k by Labor Day?
I'm gonna hold you to it ;-)
Actually im saying 30K are dead or dying right now. I offer as proof West Point Liberia. It made the news when they started machine gunning kids to hold the Quarantine. I put up a post couple days ago on that one. Here it is sans links:
I think West Point Liberia is being used as a human drug manufacturing plant. Get them all sick at once and those that survive can be used to make “Convalescent serum" for the political elite. Unfortunately there wont be enough for everyone ha ha ha ha .
1. This explains why they thought it was a GREAT idea to warehouse Ebola patients in a fucking super high density nasty slum instead of some remote bush tent med center.
2. This is why it happened to a town located on a peninsula. It only needs to be guarded from one side with a few snipers for the swimmers.
3. This is why no one cares that the guards themselves are wearing NO protective equipment at all as they engage at super close range(15 ft.) with live ammo. Great move, spray infected blood everywhere and walk in it dumb shits!
4. If stopping the spread is the idea why don't they bury the dead in West Point!
5. Africans feared hospitals before West Point - Now nobody will admit they are sick instead they will hide it and hope its not Ebola. FAIL FAIL FAIL.
I think the goal is to get all of West Point Liberia infected in order to make Convalescent serum. The powerful, their families and friends will have the cure.
Now understand that West Point has 50K,75K,100k people in it depending on who you believe. 50,000 * .59 = 29,500
Game set match!
According to my projections we have 328 days. Funny it might really be just like the movies! 300 + 28 days = !$#@
I really miss worrying about a great depression.
Or when gold breaks 1800.
What side of the bed do you want, dear?
I challenge you to think of gold in other than dollar terms.
We have fiat on the brain.
Nmewn, for you and yours I admit the risk of infection with Ebola is exceedingly remote. However for those of us in healthcare, especially nurses, Drs and lab workers triaging ER patients, the risk goes up. I personally don't think Ebola will get a full traction here ( may be some hot spots) but I have witnessed a very disturbing trend in Public Health in the last few years. Patients flying here with known diseases including Africa during this epidemic that never had been allowed to do so before. I have complained to Public Health about it but they say they are coming here under political asylum and their hands are tied. We make jokes about scabies and lice but what I am seeing makes the future not bode well.
Ebola presents as Flu and I am concerned during our next flu season we could misinterpret an Ebola case as such. Florida's season starts earlier than ours.
It is always where you least expect and the ocean, which always was a barrier to such things, no longer is.
Miffed;-)
Miffed, what are your thoughts that one of these new cases seems to be a hybrid of the two already recognized strains?
Remember this is a RNA virus. A mutating machine. I've read papers that claimed to observe multiple subtypes occurring concurrently with the main infection. It was unclear which type or all were the primary cause of the disease. With this in mind, extrapolate how to create an effective vaccine. If you still think this is possible consider the time, effort and money trying to come up with an effective vaccine for HIV, another RNA virus. Also, with the lethal nature of Ebola, not too many researchers will be willing to work with something so hot. I would expect this virus to change multiple times over the course of this epidemic. Pray it is in our favor.
My biggest fear is Ebola will enter a new host reservoir such as a pig or bird and then recombine into a new lethal form. These two animals have historically been the worst for influenza outbreaks. The other fact of note is the Reston Virus was clearly demonstrated in laboratory conditions to be transmitted airborne. This was a wild type virus and other outbreaks have occurred. Therefore, it is possible for these new strains of Ebola to develop this trait given the right environment for recombination.
It bothers me when the cdc and who proclaim to know the transmission of this virus because this has not been scientifically proven in a controlled environment, only supposition from field observation. This is why I am so angered this was brought here. With out facts the risk is too great. I don't want to die or infect my loved ones because of some idiot government worker is overestimating their own competence.
Miffed;-)
My hope is that if we're lucky, the inherent variation between replications won't be so great as to significantly change the antigenic profile of whatever Ebola variant we end up trying to combat. If this is the case, then vaccination might at least provide some (albeit incomplete) protection. Maybe just enough to reduce overall severity, and thus mortality.
The problem is there's no guarantee. Historically SS RNA viruses do mutate rather easily, and with this "adaptability" comes the ability to efficiently circumvent both host (and artificial) defences.
There's a lively discussion going on on Flutrackers relating to population genetic susceptibility, and in particular inherited partial resistance. The feeling is that the locals may have a slight advantage over the West, in that they seem to have traces of ancient filovirus reverse-transcribed DNA in their (human) genome, the so-called "paleovirus" DNA. sequences. If this is the case (I don't discount anything these days), wonder how the virus will fare in those of us with no historical exposure??
I agree with their assessment. It is not unusual to see a couple retire here from far away locales succumb to Coccidiodes immitis within a few months. No native exposure and waning immunity does not make for a winning combination to resist a local pathogen. Sickle cell does seem to increase the resistance to Plasmodium vivax.
I am amazed we are still seeing 2009H1N1 making the rounds every year even in the vaccinated population. I hoping my adventure with the wild type will procure me some long term immunity to antigenic shift/drift.
Would it be theoretically possible if multiple strains were to circulate in a community that increased pathogenicity would result? I know that pathogenicity in flu results in recombination in an animal causing the human not to recognize it immunologically as well. Or does passing through humans result in lowering pathogenicity? Ultimately, evolutionarily speaking, it is to the advantage of the virus to adapt to not killing it's host. Of course, a few billion may die before it achieves this goal. Not too pleasing a thought!
Miffed;-)
Nicepost. However, this statement might be misleading MM " If you still think this is possible consider the time, effort and money trying to come up with an effective vaccine for HIV, another RNA virus."
HIV is exceptional in that it replicates in and destroys Th1 cells and thus wipes out cell-mediated immunity, flipping the immune system exclusively into an antibody-mediated (Th2) response. (You can have antibodies to HIV coming out your ears and you will still succumb to AIDS becuase HIV has caused cell-mediated immunity to go MIA by wiping out Th1 cells.) I haven't looked into ebola's mechanisms, but I gather it doesn't target Th1 cells?
Say, do you know how it gains entry into target cells? I haven't started looking into this but would like to know whther it utilizes CCR5 like HIV and smallpox? Wow! Look at this! http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20482754
I've been reading about the pathogenicity and cell targets of Ebola and it hasn't been fully elucidated. Doesn't appear to be anything like HIV.
Ebola does have a novel mechanism of enhancement: multiple IgG antibodies bind to GP epitopes in close proximity, allowing the binding of C1 to the Fc region of the antibodies. This complex binds C1q ligands on the cell surface and stabilizes the interaction between the virus and its receptor, increasing the likelihood of viral attachment.
C1q ligands have been identified on many cell types, including the monocytes/macrophages and endothelial cells that are preferentially targeted by this hemorrhagic virus. Therefore, while antibodies normally protect the body, this virus is able to use them for faster and easier attachment to target cells.
In addition being an essential cofactor for the viral RNA polymerase complex, VP35 has been identified as an inhibitor of multiple components of the interferon ( IFN) pathways. These are a family of cytokines produced in response to viral infection that exert antiviral, cell growth-inhibitory and immunoregulatory activities. Upon viral infection, the IFN response can be triggered by sensors such as retinoic acid-inducible gene I (RIG-I) protein and the melanoma differentiation-associated gene 5 (MDA-5) protein that recognize dsRNA or ribonucleoprotein complexes.However, VP35 is able to disrupt this pathway just as it begins by competing with RIG-1 for the binding of dsRNA. So, Ebola is very efficient in nullifying an immune response early and quickly in initial infection.
The entry mechanism of Ebola virus doesn't appear to be well understood. Many enveloped viruses, Ebola virus included, rely upon endocytosis to infect cells. Several distinct endocytic mechanisms exist in mammalian cells, and can be distinguished by the type of cargo they carry as well as the proteins involved in their regulation. However, all mechanisms ultimately transport virions through successive endocytic vesicles until a compartment with adequate conditions, low pH in the case of Ebola, is reached.Upon membrane fusion, the capsid moves into the cell cytoplasm at a site where replication proceeds optimally.Previous studies to clarify the entry mechanism of Ebola have produced conflicting results, with involvement of clathrin-mediated endocytosis, caveolin-mediated endocytosis and a Rho GTPase-dependent pathway that may suggest macropinocytosis all being implicated. However, all of these experiments were performed using retrovirus-based pseudotypes in which GP is coated onto the surface of a retrovirus capsid containing a recombinant genome. This removes the need to work in a biosafety level four laboratory, but suffers from non-ideal biochemical characteristics. Only recently have experiments been performed with wild-type Ebola virus Zaire that demonstrate that cellular entry involves uptake by a macropinocytosis-like mechanism.
The more I read the more this virus blows my mind! It's a monster and heaven help us if it doesn't burn out. Thanks for the link! My rusty virology skills are getting a much need work out.
Miffed;-)
Many thanks for this detailed and very informative post, MM.
Thanks ionic. I am primarily a clinical microbiologist but I have had some research experience long ago. I really want to learn as much as I can about this virus to get any insight to combat it. Please feel free to add to anything I say, critical or complimentary. I just want to understand so I can help others here.
I don't think many can understand a lot of the technical journals surrounding this subject. I was so lost dealing with the complexity of finance and economics, perhaps here is a subject I can explain better and give back to all those who have helped me.
Cheers,
Miffed;-)
Pockets of infection seem likely. Pockets that could persist for years.
Do you have any info on the physical conditions of "survivors?"
That has me spooked. Thanks.
When you have a country like the US that is so widely hated due to its contempt for other nations as per its foreign policy, a suicide ebola attack on US soil is impossible to stop. IMPOSSIBLE. If you want to bring down the military industrial complex of the US, you need to bring down the economy. This would be a difficult task when you consider 9/11 only put a temporary dent in it. All the enemies of the US need do is deliberately infect themselves then freely move through the US streets. Israel should also be shaking in its boots. As uterally insane as US neo-cons and Israeli zionists are, their enemies may may even more insane.
@Miffed Microbio... "I admit the risk of infection with Ebola is exceedingly remote." I could not disagree more. Every tin pot dictator, every religious radical, every Idi Amin psycho on earth now has access to a first rate bioweapon. All they gotta do is get a true believer to self infect and go on a world tour. This is why I think sick people have been brought into western countries. Its coming no matter what. The CDC's of the world are desperate for some solution. With so many infected it wont be hard for the bad guys to find it and use it. Or maybe it will be just some kid who knows his family was slaughtered so XYZ company wouldn't have to raise banana prices in the west. The playing field just got leveled. One uneducated and illiterate guy anywhere could decide to kill millions.....and do it. People who live in an already infected country have nothing to stop them from using it for revenge. I see 100% chance it gets to the west.....over and over
I only state this because of the nature of Ebola we are observing at this time. If our nation truly becomes like slums of Africa where sanitary conditions are atrocious, then I will agree with you. Influenza would be a far better killer in a first world nation. If Ebola becomes an effective aerosolized virus that could spread airborne, I will retract my statement.
Miffed;-)
"where sanitary conditions are atrocious"
"The Tavern at the End of the World" in Cambridge, MA is very close to a company with a Halo that washes hospital bedding/gowns. I worked there for a time. How things spread in hospitals is no secret to me. Its the laundry. Things I saw that were just crazy wrong:
Laundry washed with no peroxide(bleach)! This is caused by trying to suck the last bit of peroxide out the bulk tanks to save money. The lines fill with air and dozens of HUGE batches get washed in plain water every day. When these batches would go through the steam Irons the entire place smelled like an open septic tank. This happens about 3 times a day on avg and No the steam is not enough to kill the germs - its barely able to take the wrinkles out...sometimes.(gotta save money right!)
If you have worked in a hospital you may have seen the big plastic 4 wheeled carts that the laundry is in when it goes out on the truck. Those carts get contaminated with blood pus etc. They were emptied and then sprayed off with plain water and dried by hand with towels. Not even bleach was used the whole time I was there! The washed laundry is shipped back in these same carts!
The factory was constantly flooded with wash water on the floor. Have you ever pulled a load out of your dryer and dropped some of it on the ground? You just pick it right back up and go on yes. Now imagine that floor was contaminated with untreated hospital waste. These little slips were everywhere.
I don't believe it you say! Americans working there would never let this go. What Americans? The workforce was made up of immigrants from over 26 countries. I actually worked with people who spoke in Clicks and Whistles. (It is a very sing song thing and oddly soothing) There were only two other "native" Americans in the whole plant. They were the plant Manager and the head engineer. Both of these guys were totally concerned with throughput (profit) not sanitation. The head Engineer was mad as a hatter too!
While I was working there an inspection team came through from one of the serviced hospitals. For some reason these big wigs had a real nurse with them. She lost her salad when she saw the place! She started raising her voice and causing a commotion. They all went back into the front offices and I never saw her again. I don't know how they shut her up but they did. Nothing changed. A couple of months later I left.
All of this is easily verified by any Boston local ZH'ers. Take inner belt and turn on the northern driveway. At the big step joint between buildings on the north side is a door. That door is open most of the time and always at lunch time. Walk up to it and look inside. Dont expect it to smell like Tide!
This is a national company but all the plants are not that bad. I heard they hand spray a little bleach water on the carts down in the FL plant.
PS Just for the conspiracy freaks - Some of the Bush family (I think it was them) has a stake in this organization. The company liked to brag about it how connected they were.
Many thanks, Hephaestus This was an excellent commentary on an aspect of how the world works in actual practise.
Last I recalled, car wreck death's go exponential.
They do, but the exponent is 1.000000000007326. Car deaths will double in 80,000 years.
Did deaths from car wrecks go up several hundred percent in the last month?
Is there any indication that global organizations and/or governments might be lying about the nubmer of car wreck deaths for some reason?
Can I catch car wreck death from casual contact with a recent car wreck death victim?
You know the problem with using percentiles don't you? Its like from zero to three is up 300%. Sounds impressive as hell, till you realize its only THREE out of millions of potentials.
Sooo what are you, like into pharma stocks or what?
Sorry, but you need infinite gain to go from zero to anything.
1 to 4 is a 300% gain.
Thank you Captain Math.
Without your input we would have not understood his point.
Wanker.
It was a little compulsive of me. Sorry...reflex action.
when you use any math to make a "point" your math best be correct--other wise you prove the inverse?? Are you a liberal arts major Minge?
"Sooo what are you, like into pharma stocks or what?"
No.
Are YOU long or short any of them?
Percentiles.
52 weeks in a year.
2% of 52 = 1.04 weeks.
2% inflation only means going without a little over a week's worth of spending power on a fixed or stagnant income -the first year of it.
A little over a week with no food or heat might be a little tough...
Small percentages make a huge difference depending on your circumstances.
My cock grows 700%(grower, not a shower) and my wife still isn't impressed.
I hereby dub thee: Bangin7millimetercock
What do you call a guy with a small cock: Justin.
You did not state the initial measurement at rest which may be source of your problem.
Miffed;-)
Yaz, insufficient data...
need moar input, and probably better through put;)
"need moar input, and probably better through put"
Sounds like a standard wanker from Lilliput.
The sheeple look up , and glimpse the Hope in the Lie .
See
http://andreswhy.blogspot.com/2009/10/counting-sheep.html
And a little morsel for you.... I happen to be aquainted with a world expert on pandemics. He has just been recallled at great Government expense to CDC Atlanta to work on this thing. Folk's this is serious.
I'm fairly certain using the term "at great government expense" is simply understood, without the adjective.
Great expense involves moving a wife and family internationally immediately. They want him right fucking now.
NO SHIT.
Say hello to the BLACK SWAN.
If we could see past all these ebony dragons blotting out the sun then it would be simple to locate that little black swan!
Black death singing in the dead of niiiiight...
Infect these broken things and learn to fly
All your life
You were ony waiting for this moment to arise...
I been ghosting ZH since inception and I just wanted to thank you for all your posts over the years. It made a difference.
Same for me MsC.
I am goofy flattered by who has said this to me. Thanks to you both.
Cycling Fish, thanks for the posting/info.
Who? Henry Niman?
Not sure who has less credibility, WHO or any central African country.
WHO
Who's on first?
I don't know.
He's on second.
Who?
He's on first.
What.
He's on third.
Who.
Couldn't help it. ( bullpen?)
We are up to the need for Country quaratine and not far from full continent if you want to put the brakes on this, otherwise get cracken on a vacine.
viruses are tricky.
It's only a matter of time before you here TPTB say " Remember when we said that there was no danger from those two patients we took to Georgia? You know, the ones on the special jet? Well...here's the thing..."
MOTHERFUCKING BULLISH: rubber gloves hazmat suits goggles
Also interesting is the phenomena that some tests for ebola come back within hours and others it takes day. This only happens with suspected cases in Western countries.
So which is it? Does it take hours or days for tests of suspected cases to be confirmed?
I think you need to look at the virus in an electron microscope. What takes time is the making of a sample that can be used in the microscope. It depends on the skill of the specimen preparer. Taking one day doesn't seem that bad.
Are the tests used but I don't know how long these take. The governments seem to confrim/deny some cases in hours and others it takes days. I'm sure the government lies I was just wondering if anyone could tell me how long it takes for these tests to get done.
ELISA's quick, cheap(er), quantitative, but relatively insensitive, at least during the early stages of an infection.
PCR requires a fair bit more technical skill, equipment (although fully automated thermal cycling's been around for a very long while), and fairly costly consumables (primers). VERY sensitive, but with that comes the need for skilled operators, since false posive results are not uncommon.
A Hospital lab. would almost certainly use PCR; a "Field" lab (maybe in a tent, or similar) would find ELISA easier to use, and under those circumstances, just as reliable once infection starts to develop . . . . (i.e. if your Patient is ELISA positive, it's well past the stage where PPE is "desireable"!!)
Parrotile "PCR requires a fair bit more technical skill, equipment (although fully automated thermal cycling's been around for a very long while), and fairly costly consumables (primers). VERY sensitive, but with that comes the need for skilled operators, since false posive results are not uncommon."
I wouldn't say ELISA's are quicker and cheaper than PCR. They're entirely different but not superior. Just different. Each has pluses and minuses. PCR DOES NOT require more technical skill and PCR machines are now ubiquitous. Lab techs routinely use them. Performing PCR is easy and fun. Oligos (primers) were available for a dollar a base or less back when PCRs were the primary tool in my research projects and one shot of the oligo solution which could be obtained from a numer of biotech companies was sufficient for 1000's of PCRs. False positives exist but aren't actually all that common.
Early on in the reporting of this thing, I heard that there were different tests that they would need to administer at different phases of the disease. In other words early disease, vs. mid disease vs. late, that there were different tests needed to detect the Ebola. That could explain different times for different results.
This does not mean that I am not repeating a lie. This is what I remember.
"Early on in the reporting of this thing, I heard that there were different tests that they would need to administer at different phases of the disease. In other words early disease, vs. mid disease vs. late, that there were different tests needed to detect the Ebola. That could explain different times for different results."
Thanks for this. I haven't looked into this, but my gut feeling would be that this is not the case at all. I'd go for a PCR (polymerase chain reaction) test which should work very at all stages of the disease. My ears are open to further information.
The issue now with Ebola is that a person can be highly infectious with Ebola and not show any symptoms for a few days. then they appear to have a cold, then malaria, then.....
The old line about "catching it from touching dead bodies at funerals" is hooey. This thing cansneak right up on you like Flu.
I'm sure the average caretaker/funeral director is just gonna take your word for it and open up the back door for a couple of hundred bucks...
Isn't it up to 21 days? Three weeks is a long time for someone to go sightseeing, visit every continent even. There could be a new reality tv series, The Ebola Amazing Race.
Why the heck are we flying half dead highly contagious people around the world ?
Well, the easy answer is to spread the disease worldwide.
Even science fiction stories do not suppose uninfected nations would fly planes across the globe seeking to transfer the disease, because authors never believed anyone in the real world would be so stupid.
Criminally insane. Stupidity just doesn't cut it.
I have a few doctor clients, and they are ALL going apeshit over bringing infected patients
out of Africa. Even 1 chance in a million is not an acceptable risk, and we just don't know
what the risk is at all.
The only conclusions you can draw is that its a deliberate attempt to spread it, or its
already here and this is 'humantarian' cover for the fuckup.
"The only conclusions you can draw is that its a deliberate attempt to spread it, or its
already here and this is 'humantarian' cover for the fuckup."
My present knowledge concerning the character and intelligence of the politicians running the Untied States goverment leads me to believe that the more probable of those two choices is 'its already here and this is 'humantarian' cover for the fuckup.'