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10 George Orwell Quotes That Predicted Life In 2014 America

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Submitted by Justin King (of The Anti-Media) via The Burning Platform blog,

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George Orwell ranks among the most profound social critics of the modern era. Some of his quotations, more than a half a century old, show the depth of understanding an enlightened mind can have about the future.

 

1)  “In our age there is no such thing as ‘keeping out of politics.’ All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred and schizophrenia.”

Though many in the modern age have the will to bury their head in the sand when it comes to political matters, nobody can only concern themselves with the proverbial pebble in their shoe. If one is successful in avoiding politics, at some point the effects of the political decisions they abstained from participating in will reach their front door. More often than not, by that time the person has already whatever whisper of a voice the government has allowed them.

 

2)  “All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.”

Examining the nightly news in the run up to almost any military intervention will find scores of talking heads crying for blood to flow in the streets of some city the name of which they just learned to pronounce. Once the bullets start flying, those that clamored for war will still be safely on set bringing you up-to-the-minute coverage of the carnage while their stock in Raytheon climbs.

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3)  “War against a foreign country only happens when the moneyed classes think they are going to profit from it.”

It’s pretty self-explanatory and while it may be hard to swallow, it’s certainly true. All it takes is a quick look at who benefited from the recent wars waged by the United States to see Orwell’s quip take life.

 

4)  “The very concept of objective truth is fading out of the world. Lies will pass into history.”

My most prized books are a collection of history books from around the world. I have an Iraqi book that recounts the glory of Saddam Hussein’s victory over the United States in 1991. I have books from three different nations claiming that one of their citizens was the first to fly. As some of the most powerful nations in the world agree to let certain facts be “forgotten,” the trend will only get worse. History is written by the victor, and the victor will never be asked if he told the truth.

Huffington Post journalist detained by military police in Ferguson, Missouri

 

5)  “In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”

Even without commentary, the reader is probably picturing Edward Snowden or Chelsea Manning. The revolutions of the future will not be fought with bullets and explosives, but with little bits of data traveling around the world destroying the false narratives with which governments shackle their citizens.

 

6)  “Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed: everything else is public relations.

Make no mistake about it; if an article does not anger someone, it is nothing more than a piece. Most of what passes for news today is little more than an official sounding advertisement for a product, service, or belief.

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7)  “In real life it is always the anvil that breaks the hammer…

In every conflict, it is not the side that can inflict the most damage, but the side that can sustain the most damage that ultimately prevails. History is full of situations in which a military “won the battles but lost the war.

 

8)  “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.”

Haditha. Panjwai. Maywand District. Mahmudiyah. These names probably don’t ring a bell, but it is almost a certainty that the reader is aware of the brutality that occurred in Benghazi. The main difference is that in the first four incidents, those committing the acts of brutality were wearing an American flag on their shoulder.

(Answer: D)

 

9)  “Threats to freedom of speech, writing and action, though often trivial in isolation, are cumulative in their effect and, unless checked, lead to a general disrespect for the rights of the citizen.”

Everyday there is a new form of censorship or a new method of forcing people into self-censorship, and the people shrug it off because it only relates to a small minority. By the time the people realize their ability to express disapproval has been completely restricted, it may be too late. That brings us to Orwell’s most haunting quote.

bootface

 

10)  “If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—forever.”

Once the people are indoctrinated with nationalistic beliefs, and the infrastructure to protect them from some constantly-changing and ever-expanding definition of an enemy is in place, there is no ability for the people to regain liberty. By the time all of the pieces are in place, not only is opportunity to regain freedom, but the will to achieve freedom has also evaporated. The reader will truly love Big Brother.

 

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Mon, 08/25/2014 - 16:42 | 5141958 Jack Burton
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I read "1984" in High School. Since then I have seen it come to pass in America. Not in a literal sense, but the foundations have been layed, and a simple order could put it into full effect. Also, in other senses, we are already worse than "1984", the NSA has advanced into higher levels of spying than "1984". The war on terror has launced perpetual war. The US support of Al-Qaeda and Radical Islamic Jihad where and when it fits us foreign policy goals is typical of shifting enemies that are created and changed using media liars.

It will only get worse form here on in.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 16:49 | 5141999 Bioscale
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War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 17:12 | 5142072 Vampyroteuthis ...
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I agree with the camp we are more in the "Brave New World" dystopia. Everyone is stoned and unlimited amount of porn/orgies to go around. 1984 is the future though on our current track.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 17:16 | 5142092 Dark Space
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When's the orgy start?

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 17:21 | 5142115 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Orgies are for the wealthy, beautiful and banksters. For the rest of us, 1984 and celibacy is here. Ohh, I forgot Barry and his man-love.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 17:24 | 5142129 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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This is where being in a happy marriage can solve a lot of problems.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 17:45 | 5142208 svayambhu108
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If you want a real picture of the future, imagine bare feet stamping on horseshit—forever

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 18:24 | 5142360 are we there yet
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Is your alegory that the bare feet are our masters in DC, and the horse deficant is the founding fathers US constitution?

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 19:54 | 5142687 max2205
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Cage fighting in the Senate is what I Want.....

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 21:06 | 5142958 SWRichmond
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That's not a sniper.  If he were a sniper you wouldn't see him, and he certainly wouldn't need to be so close.  That's a jackass playing army, and in a real fight he's the first one who'd get shot.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 21:33 | 5143058 drdolittle
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That's what I thought. That ahole's awfully exposed for the first guy unafraid to die with a deer rifle.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 23:52 | 5143589 Drunk In Church
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Humans are actually more free than they've ever been.  I'm an optimist.  I see a bright future.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 00:30 | 5143679 AldousHuxley
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social class hierarchy of Oceania has 3 levels:

 

ruling inner party 2% of population

middle class 13%

proles 85%

 

last 30 years, income only increased after inflation for top 15% and only top 1% in wealth & income can really shape the elections as they can afford to play politics

 

capitalism = individualism = rewarding the most selfish = betrayal of one's loved ones = how elits divide and conquer the proles by having top 15% execute the play

 

Orwell was correct with his distopian book 1984. Ronald Reagan was elected in 1981 with neo con "free market" capitalists along with Margaret Thatcher in 1979. 1980s started wall street boom, capitalists gaining power over workers, deunionization, importation of illegals, outsourcing, and pretty much all offensive attack on American workers to devalue human labor.

 

Orwell's timeless theory rests on the nature of power. power consolidates until system violently reboots. Today in America, power is in the hands of top 0.1%...soon power will consolidate in the hands of 0.01% then 0.001%, then top 100 family dynasties, until the masses defect loyalty to America's enemies who treat them better or turn on their own to reboot the political landscape. such is history.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 00:44 | 5143700 AldousHuxley
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The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism

 

prediction of division of world into 3 global super-states in his book 1984:

1) US+british empire + Latin America = Oceania

2) USSR + Europe = Eurasia

3) China + Japan + Korea + Mongolia = Eastasia

 

Today much of it is true:

1) US-UK-Australia aliance with latin america as the pawn (U Chicago boys, Mexicans, panam canal, etc.)

2) Russia + German bank led ECB controlling EU + pawns in Portugal, Ireland, Greece, Spain

3) China + Japan + Korea + small city pawns like singapore where business elites are Chinese descent

 

ALL fighting wars over control of Africa, Middle East, India and Indonesia

 

See how accurate Orwell's forecasts were in 1940s:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nations_of_Nineteen_Eighty-Four#mediaviewer...

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 01:08 | 5143727 ILLILLILLI
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The 1956 version of the BBC production of "1984" is probably the very best version.

You can watch it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba4J6umbbp0

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 01:10 | 5143741 Nick Jihad
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Yea, except the part where Japan and Korea have much closer ties to USA than to China. And India probably continues Anglosphere alignment as well.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 01:43 | 5143772 AldousHuxley
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"closer ties to USA"? is basically US military boots on the ground there subsidized by elite's desire to gain foothold in EastAsia using your tax dollars. Sorry but economically Chinese already have larger influence in the Pacific theater and once they modernize their military technology, Chinese will take over America's policing role in Asia...

 

Japanese exports: 18% to China VS 17% to USA

Japanese imports: 22% from China VS 8% from USA

S. Korea exports: 23% to China VS 11% to USA

S. Korea imports: 16% from China VS 8% from USA

 

India is the wildcard, but no superpower wants both India and China rich because of their large populations.

Also, India is not part of the military elite UN security council despite possessing nukes....ex-british colony brainwashed herself with inferiority complex.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 03:01 | 5143817 Manthong
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obey or die.. bitchez

Acceptance of defective thought is a virtue.

 

hmm. NOBODY got that.

enjoy your sleep.

 

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 09:12 | 5144367 Truthseeker2
Mon, 08/25/2014 - 21:37 | 5143072 Beatscape
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George Orwell's 1984 has officially been reclassified from fiction to non-fiction. 

 

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 23:50 | 5143583 savagegoose
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yeah its in the  instructions manual sections of libraries

 

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 00:35 | 5143686 AldousHuxley
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it is actually a history of last 30 years since things did turn for the worst in 1980 as soon as Americans realized their hegemonic power in the world.

 

When they made wage slaves of all foreign nationals, they began to make slaves of their own citizens.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 05:11 | 5143927 barre-de-rire
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at least we got GIN OF THE VICTORY !

 

CHEEEEER NIGAZZZZZZ

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 21:44 | 5143092 Andre
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He's called a Designated Marksman. His coverage is beyond 100 meters, or high precision shots somewhat closer.

Yes, his positioning is more for intimidation, but his accuracy is sub-MOA.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 22:03 | 5143183 Ginsengbull
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If he has ammo.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 22:37 | 5143331 Tall Tom
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He is called a Designated Target in my vernacular.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 05:26 | 5143945 jeff montanye
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i've heard the phrase "ice man for the swat".

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 13:03 | 5145551 Trogdor
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I've been at the range many times when the local SWAT toadies train - including their "snipers" - and it always makes me feel better to know that their *best* shooting is equivalent to my *worst* shooting - and nowhere near sub-moa .... and I'm nowhere near the best at the range.  A fancy rifle and 'spensive optics do not a rifelman make.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 14:11 | 5150149 Andre
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Point made, and thanks for the head's-up. I keep thinking they were grabbing the trained DM's from Army/USMC.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 21:48 | 5143111 Tall Tom
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That picture is demonstrative that at least there is still a chance.

 

He might as well be wearing a sign on his back that says, "Kick me"...Ooops...so High School..."Shoot me"

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 19:57 | 5142695 philipat
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"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."

Arbeit macht frei........

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 02:47 | 5143828 WOAR
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Some people believe "Arbeit macht frei" means "Work will make you free". That's not what it says.

What it says is the ultimate goal of all progress: "Work Made Free". Think about that every time you make a piece of toast.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 05:28 | 5143947 jeff montanye
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or ask google for the answers to (certain simple) questions. 

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 08:43 | 5144268 Grinder74
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Except for questions about islam.  Muck Fohammed.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 18:34 | 5142396 Bad Attitude
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George Orwell was an optimist.

Forward (over the cliff)!

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 17:53 | 5142258 TheReplacement
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"happy marriage"

war is peace?

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 01:46 | 5143781 AldousHuxley
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well aren't the wives happy with alimoney?

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 04:13 | 5143885 margaris
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no, they are only happy with allyourmoney!

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 11:28 | 5144966 sleigher
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Happy marriage is an oxymoron.  Well, at least 90% of the time.  Marriage is about compromise, and no one can be completely happy when they constantly have to compromise.  

Besides, if 2 people want to live together for the rest of their lives, why do they need the state to sanction it?  Just do what you want and 'F' the state. 

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 06:31 | 5144003 RabbitChow
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The bigger issue is finding a happy marriage.  And the older one gets, the effort is less and less worthwhile.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 10:43 | 5144807 JRobby
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Eloi girls very accomodating

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 17:17 | 5142097 trader1
Tue, 08/26/2014 - 03:12 | 5143851 AldousHuxley
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then to achieve nirvana, you have to become a retarded monkey or a pebble?

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 20:57 | 5142919 Kirk2NCC1701
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Actually, ZH did an article some time ago, comparing 1984 and BNW ("Brave New World) with real America, and determined that both are present.

Rather than heeding the warnings from each book, they've used them for Inspiration.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 21:25 | 5143004 John Wilmot
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Well...

Unlike Orwell, Huxley wasn't really opposed to the world he was describing. He was part of the set bringing it about. He was merely describing what he thought would happen; what he knew that his set were working to bring about. So, in a way, it was a kind of instruction manual.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 23:24 | 5143502 cape_royds
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I'm not sure about that, JW.

I think Huxley was indeed horrified by the prospect of what he was satirizing.

Perhaps it tells us how far gone we are, and indeed why we are where we are, that what horrified Huxley is something we consider too ordinary to find more than mildly disquieting.

Orwell himself also criticized the modern vision of consumerist hedonism, in his essay, "Pleasure Spots." Fulltext is available online:

http://www.orwell.ru/library/articles/spots/english/e_spots

Read that article and then think of Las Vegas...

It is also interesting that Orwell satirized a consumerist suburbia, before such things had become common. It's in one of the later chapters of his 1938 novel, "Coming Up for Air."

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 00:06 | 5143626 John Wilmot
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Orwell was himself a socialist (though of the naive sort who didn't understand that socialism is essentally "a boot stomping on a human face forever" - like John Lennon, nice fellow, naive), so it's not surprising that he attacks "consumerism." As for Huxley, I don't have anything to throw out off-hand, but I'd challenge you to find any quote of Huxley where he actually denounces the society he wrote about in BNW.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 05:47 | 5143883 Memedada
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And you’re an enlighten right-wing realist? And the track record of right-wing ideologies are ‘freedom-loving democracies’?

Orwell was not naïve – in any of the definitions of the term. He knew exactly what the threats of (any) ideologies were. He went to Spain and participated in the civil war on the side of the extreme left-wing AOUM and CNT. They fought the communists just a fiercely as the fascist. Many of his works were about the threat of totalitarianism from communist and fascist alike.

He believed in democratic socialism. Not naïve at all. Actually the only fair (and most effective) way to organize a society’s economy. In a capitalist society needs are equated with purchasing power. That means, that you produce more to those who have more and less to those who have less – a stupid way to distribute the resources of a society. In democratic socialism the people of a society collectively owns the means of production. This has been tried multiple times – and there are many current examples. All much more effective than the capitalist production form. Syndicalism is perhaps a better term to describe the economic system in a democratic socialist society.

Democratic socialism is not naïve – it’s a viable solution.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 06:36 | 5144011 Global Observer
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Democratic socialism is not naïve – it’s a viable solution.

Viability or not of any system depends on the society. Any kind of a collectivist solution is viable only when there is a collective that the members feel part of and are willing to give up something for including willingness to defer to someone else's ideas in the event of a disagreement. No such solution exists where most are not willing to give anything to the collective and believe the collective exists for individual benefit, as most Americans do.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 09:00 | 5144319 Memedada
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That is very true. Democratic socialism can only happen as a part of a cultural shift – a shift of paradigm.

Actually it would demand a new enlightenment.

But such major changes in human consciousness, political structures and etymological paradigm have happened many times in our history.


 

 

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 15:54 | 5146303 Clarabell
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Good observation! I think that Democratic Socialism always works best in countries with homogeneous populations such as the Scandinavian countries. There has to be a common sense of culture, kinship and probable race for it to work.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 06:57 | 5144050 ebear
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"In democratic socialism the people of a society collectively owns the means of production."

Fine, but who decides what gets produced? Do we vote to decide how much steel we make this year?  How do we come to that determination, and what happens if we're wrong and produce more than we can use?  Does everyone then vote themselves a pay cut to make up the difference?  Good luck with that.

I really don't think you've thought this through.


Tue, 08/26/2014 - 08:54 | 5144299 Memedada
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Production in a democratic socialist system is of course a part of the democratic decision making process. The fact that decisions regarding production in a capitalist society is left for a small handful of people (and no: it’s NOT the market that decides – another illusion sustained by many right-wingers) is part of the problem solved by democratic socialism.

In capitalism there’s an incentive to overproduce (make-up false demands/advertising) and underproduce (cartels seeking to jack up prices or to ignore real demands – not the fake ‘market demands’). And at the same time production in a capitalistic society is – by intent – of lower quality. There’s a huge incentive to make products go obsolete and to break apart (planned obsolescence).

So in short: yes, you vote. If you work on a production plant you have a say in what (and how) is produced. Most syndicates vote for a group of people to make the day-to-day decisions (a democratic elected steering committee or something like it). But I would see it as a strength to let all the workers/parts of an organization decide on the ambitions and goals of the organization (including how much should be produced and to what quality).

The democratic decisions regarding production is only necessary in regard to necessities (food/drink, shelter, heat, power, health, infrastructure etc.). Production of lesser importance (that makes up the majority of the production in capitalist societies) doesn´t have to be democratically controlled because it doesn’t (per se) have to have ‘democratic results’ (=some people starving and others becoming too fat).


 

 

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 09:33 | 5144466 gwiss
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Oh for God's sake, man.  It's like you have no conception of how human nature works.  The system you describe sounds great -- except you forgot to apply the aspects of human nature that encourages the overproduction and underproduction in capitalism.  Are you under the impression that "Democratic Socialism" somehow eliminates human nature?  You appear to be.  It's like you think Democracy is the magical unobtainium that you add to human nature to forge a much better alloy.

 

Truth is, human nature is messy.  All networked systems of self organizing complexity are.  The trick is, you have to understand that they have moving parts, and those parts are controlled by feedback loops.  What you are suggesting is that we lop off the feedback loops, and that the system will work much better once you do that.  That's bullshit.

 

Know what controls the urge to overproduce in capitalism?  The awareness on the part of the masses that they have limited resources.  But you screw with that when you make fake money available.  And you know who introduces the fake money into the market?  Why, your wonderful Democratic Socialist leaders do.  Know why?  So that they can get re-elected and buy their way into power -- there's that human nature, gumming up the works when you thought you have eliminated it.  Essentially, they do a LBO of the country using fake money, which is how all LBO's work.  So, you want to stop that process?  Then don't give government a monopoly on money.  Open it up to the free market.  Removing it's control from the free market is what caused the problem in the first place.

 

Same thing with underproduction.  You can only underproduce when there are barriers to entry that allow you to hold the market hostage, which come from licensing and regulatory requirements, and the licensing and regulatory requirements are sponsored by those businesses who don't want competition, so they forge a partnership with those in government responsible for imposing licensing requirements and regulations on the masses.  Once again -- human nature, doing what it does.

 

Want to stop cartels, or want to supercharge the ability of the market to create paths around natural monopolies?  End licensing requirments and regulations.  Essentially, remove government from the process.

 

You are barking up the wrong tree entirely.  You are suggesting more of the same thing that caused the problem in the first place, and that's never going to work.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 04:00 | 5148211 Memedada
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Hard to reply to so much nonsense. Don’t know where to start. But here’s an attempt to structure a response to some of it:

1.       Human Nature: I agree with one thing you wrote: human nature is messy (=complex). It’s not me who thinks one-dimensional about human nature, but you. Human nature is both the aspects nurtured and cultivated in the capitalistic economic systems = greed, selfishness, egoism, fear/anxiety, competition and dominance. A society – including of course it’s economic system – could as easily nourish and reward other aspects of human nature: empathy, love, charity, collaboration, grace and so on…

Human Nature is not only how humans have become in USA – there’re many other possibilities to how human nature can be expressed. And yes, you have to acknowledge, that there are tendencies in human nature that can be harm-full to humanity at large and our common resources (our planet). But that should only stress the importance of striving for an economic system that doesn’t use the worst aspects of human nature as its fuel.

 

2.       Socialist leaders? Where? Obama? You must be joking. There’s NO DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST LEADERS IN ANY POWERFUL COMTEMPORARY INSTITUTIONS – not in the West, East, South or North. Name me one?

I live in Denmark and many see Denmark as a ‘socialist’ society. That’s a joke too. It’s capitalistic in the most basic definition of the word: who owns the means of production? Obama and his cohorts (the Wall St. Bankers) are best described as oligarchs (or servants of oligarchs) in a fascist state (fascism being the merging of state and corporate power – exactly how USA have turned out).

3.       The thing about “Feedback loops” is pure nonsense. First, I’ve never said anything about not respond to input from those receiving and/or needing the products – that’s a given, that there need to be communication. Lucky that communication have been made so easy.

One thing is on the other hand certain: ‘the feedback loops’ in a capitalistic society is on of the systems major problems. ‘Feedback’ is in the form of ‘demand’ and ‘demand’ is created from applied purchasing power. And purchasing power is (as you correctly stated) distributed very unfair (free fiat to corporate cronies/banks and falling wages (both nominal and real) for real work for the rest) = it is not a feedback of ‘real needs’ and more importantly there’s no feedback from the ecological systems being exploited. Well, yes, there is – but the feedback is not (necessary) to those gaining from the exploitation (in the first place at least), but from those dependent on the depleted ecological systems.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 13:06 | 5145546 John Wilmot
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"And you’re an enlighten right-wing realist?"

I'm a libertarian.

"And the track record of right-wing ideologies are ‘freedom-loving democracies’?"

I refer you to Gouverneur Morris: "I am against your democracy, Monsieur de Lafayette, because I am for freedom."

"He believed in democratic socialism. Not naïve at all. Actually the only fair (and most effective) way to organize a society’s economy."

I see that you are ignorant of economics. I recommend "Economics in One Lesson" by Henry Hazlitt as an introduction to the subject.

 

 

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 03:57 | 5148215 Memedada
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I can see that you cannot see what I am or am not an ignorant of.

 

Economics is not one of my blind spots. I’ve spend 10 years working professionally with economics (within the paradigm of neoliberalism – there’re currently no other). I’ve studied the subject and gained a master degree in national economics (I know, that’s not a merit, but I’ve later unlearned most of the garbage I was thought).

 

I don’t need to read your suggestion of an ‘introduction’, but maybe you should try and broaden your perspective of economics? Try and read a book that doesn’t have ‘introduction’ in its title…

 

Libertarianism is a left-wing ideology in most parts of the world. It is only in USA, that libertarianism have been turned into a right-wing ideology. Try and study the origin of libertarianism (and don’t just use USA-sources – that’s a good advice regarding all attempts to educate yourself).

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 06:01 | 5143965 ImGumbydmmt
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1958 interview of Huxley by Mike Wallace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alasBxZsb40

28 minutes

Huxley was not a fan of his own predictions.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 22:52 | 5143393 illyia
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Same thing happened with "Wall Street". The kids were taking notes on "how to do it", not on "what not to do".

Ears to hear and all that...

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 01:02 | 5143729 AldousHuxley
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you mean Liar's Poker by Michael Lewis?

 

Well today's kids know ibanking won't make them billionares with the regulations, but still see the potential in combining hedge funds with flash trading tech.

 

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Tue, 08/26/2014 - 07:12 | 5144058 ebear
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The same logic applies to capital markets as it does to currencies.  When participants tire of being ripped off, they'll find a way to bypass the stock market, just as foreign nations are starting to bypass the dollar.

 

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 00:14 | 5143646 August
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War and Freedom come and go.

Ignorance endureth forever.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 01:17 | 5143753 AldousHuxley
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humans have covered up their ignorance with sophistry of technology when in fact wild monkeys have more freedom than the richest, powerful, famous men in history.

 

Are you really free?

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 05:08 | 5143924 barre-de-rire
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 CHAMBER 101 !

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 06:45 | 5144028 jughead
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Now let's get out there and fight for peace and fuck for virginity!

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 16:52 | 5142013 therevolutionwas
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Pollyanna!

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 16:52 | 5142020 crazzziecanuck
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It wasn't even required reading when I went to school back in the 1980s and 1990s.

As for this idea that Orwell had uncanny predictive nature, I disagree.  He put in words what he saw, and what he saw back then hasn't really changed much since.  What he says rings truer today than when he wrote them though.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 18:11 | 5142307 Budd aka Sidewinder
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I don't think even Orwell could have imagined something as cold and calculating as a staged beheading used to whip the sheep into a nationalistic frenzy

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 01:19 | 5143756 Nick Jihad
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Orwell didn't need to imagine - Orwell alludes to Stalin's Terror. Stalin made ISIS look like a bunch of dilletantes.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 19:07 | 5142503 malek
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 As for this idea that Orwell had uncanny predictive nature, I disagree. He put in words what he saw

Yep.
Which by the way I believe is true for Atlas Shrugged too.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 20:13 | 5142751 exomike
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You compared an author to a book so I'll assume you are writing about Ayn Rand being comparable to George Orwell. Having seriously studied English Literature, the only comparison I would make is that I would rather have a cage of ravenous rabid rats over my head, eating my face than read Ayn Rand.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 20:24 | 5142781 malek
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I care not too much about the literature quality, if the views or ideas presented are intriguing.

It sounds a little like you're nitpicking to find a reason to dump the baby with the bathwater.
Do you have anything to say on her seemingly prescient insights?

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 20:58 | 5142928 PoliticalRefuge...
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A diamond is still a diamond no matter where it's found.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 22:09 | 5143205 Tall Tom
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Yes. But there are differences in the quality of the crystaline Carbon.

 

Just remember that.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 04:17 | 5143887 Memedada
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And a piece of shit is still a piece of shit no matter where it’s found…

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 04:14 | 5143886 Memedada
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What insights?

That the ‘strong’ (= the ones with the privileges – one being access to free money/fiat) don’t care about the weak? That they are ready to ‘don’t give a shit’ and let the ‘weak’ die off? As if they gave a shit to begin with. That society must be designed to favor the already powerful/’have-it-all’ (otherwise they’ll be offended and leave/shrug)?

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 20:31 | 5147282 exomike
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"Do you have anything to say on her seemingly prescient insights?

They weren't. They were neither prescient nor insights although her writing might "seem" so to ungrounded adolescents. They do however represent what passes for the currnt wisdom in our soon to be doomed society. Rand's books were so long because she was an amphetimine freak. The speed also gave her a massive sexual appetite and like most of her fans..., delusions of grandure. She made one of the seven deadly sins, greed, a virtue. Thus we are living in a Randian Utopia populated by Randian Sociopaths.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 06:49 | 5148322 Memedada
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100% agreement from me. However, one little correction: I think the right term should be Randian Dystopia.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 01:21 | 5143760 Nick Jihad
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"seriously studied English Literature"?  Does this mean that you pronounce "Literature" with only three syllables?  Whata douche.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 20:04 | 5142726 Oath_Keeper
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Nothing changes, history repeats itself. Read the Federalist Papers and the arguments against a democracy were the same in the 1700s that they are today. Nothing changes, maybe this is why the IQ has dropped per Tyler's earlier post.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 21:21 | 5143014 John Wilmot
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The article was about dropping SAT scores, not IQ.

But, despite the irony, I quite agree with the thesis of your post.

Churchill was half right, Democracy is the worst form of government....

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 04:18 | 5143889 Memedada
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...but the alternative is worse.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 04:23 | 5143895 margaris
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The alternative to having a government?

That would be paradise, not worse.

True anarchy would bring freedom and prosperity the world has never seen before.

We don't need other people running our lifes, that's medieval.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 04:54 | 5143913 Memedada
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That's true. I only completed the quote. And I did a bad job, here’s the full quote: "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." - from a House of Commons speech on Nov. 11, 1947.

I’m an anarchist myself. But in an anarchistic society there also needs to be some form of coordination and decision-making. The only valid/legitimate decisions made in an anarchistic society is democratic – and even those decision doesn’t need to be followed (unless you harm others/infringe on their freedom by not).

Anarchism is not necessary the lack of institutions, organizations or other social structures – it’s the transmission of power from the top to the bottom (or in better terms: the abolition of all forms of centralized power). And none of the institutions, in an anarchist society, would have any power over the individuals constituting the institutions (or benefitting from them). Freedom of association.

Or actually, anarchism is just what we’ve all been thought was a reality: one (wo)man one vote (obviously one big lie in contemporary society). The difference is as an anarchist you vote all the time.

 

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 04:21 | 5143891 margaris
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...but since governments are the main creator of all unnatural problems humanity faces, that's like saying democracy is the worst amongst the worse.

There is no good form of government, that's the secret nobody's talking about.

A good form of government can't exist, it's like searching for a definition of good rape... not gonna happen.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 05:50 | 5143916 Memedada
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I think you’re partly right. You just forget (?) the other forms of centralized power (the banks, big corporations – the FIRE-sector in general, accumulated fortunes, media conglomerates etc.). They’re all a nuance to humanity at large.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 16:58 | 5142033 huggy_in_london
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Sad but true Jack.  

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 17:04 | 5142047 BlindMonkey
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Orwell was more the Soviet model.

The US is Huxley. We are Enslaved by indulgences. The poor are doted over like children. The rich are showered with every possible 'thing'. Very few are aware.

Two words: blue pill

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 17:14 | 5142079 r00t61
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It's both.

It's a Hybrid Or-Huxleyian nightmare.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-30/aldous-huxley-vs-george-orwell

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 17:16 | 5142093 thethirdcoast
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The US hybridizes elements of both dystopias.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 00:56 | 5143714 ajax
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J.G. Ballard: "Highrise"

J.G. Ballard: "Kingdom Come"

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 21:10 | 5142966 BLOTTO
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1984 meets Brave New World meets Lord of the Flies meets...Zombieland

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 21:23 | 5143020 John Wilmot
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Zombies might be preferable

They lack the hand-eye coordination required to cast a ballot

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 22:16 | 5143250 Borrow Owl
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"They lack the hand-eye coordination required to cast a ballot."

No problemo.

In America, our glorious leaders have ways of overcoming such trivial obstacles.

Heck, in some cities your vote will be counted at least 5 or 6 times during each election cycle... even if you have been dead for 2 or 3 decades.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 23:15 | 5143471 John Wilmot
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brains and circuses

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 08:42 | 5144264 New_Meat
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Young Lyndon Johnson, gathering names in the graveyard, didn't go into the oldest section.  His mentor said: "Son, git in there, them folks have as much right to vote as anyone else around here."

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 21:15 | 5142988 Kirk2NCC1701
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Actually, a better analogy is the Carrot & Stick approach: Something for everyone. Well, the 95%.

Huxley is the Carrot side, Orwell is the Stick side.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 00:25 | 5143672 Greshams Law
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True, but if you teach a bureaucrat to beat someone with a carrot, he'll be employed for life.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 07:17 | 5144065 ebear
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I dunno... you get a big enough carrot and smack someone upside the head wth it, it's gonna hurt.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 17:24 | 5142125 jballz
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The subtlety of Orwell is almost universally missed by the reader who claims to have read 1984 unce upon a ime and now has seen it come to pass.

Orwell simply winessed the present, wrote about the present, and extrapolated what already was to its logical course. He might as well have called it "1948". It was all true when he published it. We had just gone from "Uncle Joe" Stalin the hero of Dr Seuss cartoons, to "we have always been at war with the soviets". He merely slightly fictionalized his own time. 

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 20:03 | 5142723 disabledvet
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There does appear to be an epic battle between what I SEE and what I FEEL...and since I am lacking in the information to determine why "the former" could be determinate...of the latter...I do ponder one question neither Orwell nor Huxley did..but Hollywood sure has, namely "why does this movie suck?"

I mean let's face it...CNBC's RATINGS ARE NOT COMING OUT OF THE TANK HERE! THEY SUCK!

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 17:29 | 5142150 Fuku Ben
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You sound like you've already surrendered?

It will only get worse if you keep that attitude or willingly roll over and take the raping and pillaging they'll gladly give out until you're dead.

F8ck their predictive programming
F8ck their goals and objectives
F8ck slavery and death
We shall never surrender (our Souls)
Forever Freedom

Is it just coincidence that the number of days between the April 1,2001 China/US Plane incident and the Aug. 22,2014 China/US plane incident is 4891 (reverse of 1984)?

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 18:09 | 5142301 Not Too Important
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Oh, shit, here we go again . . .

=:-)

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 18:12 | 5142311 Budd aka Sidewinder
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You can write Fuck on zerohedge

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 01:10 | 5143739 aardvarkk
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There are times you are REQUIRED to write Fuck on zerohedge.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 17:47 | 5142219 TVP
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Are you sure about that?

Have you failed to notice all the failings of all the elite factions recently?

 

False flags don't work anymore.  Propaganda has a limited effect - not the full-on power it used to have.  A return to sound money has begun - by way of hoarding precious metals for savings and using cryptocurrencies for transactions.  Disarming the American public has not worked, and will never work.  Starting war after war HAS NOT BEEN WORKING FOR MANY MONTHS NOW.  

If the sociopaths in power had their way, we would have been in all out WWIII and full-blown worldwide economic collapse by now.  

They are meeting more reisistance than ever before in human history, and it won't be too much longer before they lose it and kill millions at once.  

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 17:57 | 5142266 TheReplacement
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One thing.  False flags do still work in that the VAST majority of people still believe the narrative.  It is just that the average person is sick of war.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 18:13 | 5142318 Not Too Important
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I don't know. How many people believe 9/11 was a dozen guys with box cutters, vs. it being something else.

I think the box cutter meme wore itself out, and now no one believes anything .gov says, until it's all hashed out on the Net.

Clearly the population of the US is the most ignorant of any 'civilized' society. I mean really, really down at the bottom of the list, but even down there few people believe the official 9/11 story.

Ask your friends. Also ask about the JFK murder. Very few older people believe the Warren Commission, and no one in the younger generation believes it.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 18:44 | 5142441 PhilofOz
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I too believed that about the US population, but then one day I chanced upon ZH and I was amazed.I thought wow! There are in fact lots of Americans that "get it", and there is hope for the planet after all. There is the odd thing here I might disagree with the majority, such as minimum wage, but overall, thanks so much ZeroHedge for restoring my faith with the knowledge there are plenty around capable of critical thought and seeing through the bullshit. 

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 19:17 | 5142547 bunzbunzbunz
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Just remember, people that can see bullshit are all the more better at saying bullshit.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 20:32 | 5142824 Debt-Is-Not-Money
Mon, 08/25/2014 - 21:29 | 5143036 John Wilmot
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Those who didn't come would be blind-folded and shot, and the rest would bend over.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 18:49 | 5142456 armageddon addahere
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Not in a literal sense? I challenge you to name one thing in 1984 that has not come to pass in the US, literally.

Don't worry if your chocolate bar seems smaller than it did last year.The chocolate ration will be increased next month.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 19:19 | 5142554 Lordflin
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You are correct, it will only get worse from here... but not because of some eternally oppressive boot to the face.

The underpinnings of civil unity have been irretrievably violated. Oh, the oppressive nature of global society will become increasingly burdensome for a time. But the real fun will be left to those who survive the descent as the world plunges headlong into chaos. If there is no God, and no one to bail humankind out ( some of you may be waiting for space aliens) then there is a dark age waiting that will be darker than anything preceding it....

Or to put it another way... the bigger they are, the harder they fall...

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 21:41 | 5143083 John Wilmot
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Predictive programming

What are all these semi-apocalytpic movies where a high-tech elite rules over an impovished and utterly degenerate third world mass living in slums?

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 21:01 | 5142933 Eyjafjallajökull
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No magic or prophets here. Orwell was instrumental in laying the plans and blueprints of the NWO with his fellow society members. He/they did not guess it! They set it in motion. 

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 21:48 | 5143114 Supafly
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Broken clock, blind squirrel, Bible.  All these things will eventually hit their mark.  Orwell was a great storyteller, but the difference between him and a great deal of us (like the chimpanzee that paints) is that he wrote about what he thought.  Independent of his exceptional work, we would reference our thoughts with another high profile thinker.  But we think too.  

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 16:42 | 5141963 cossack55
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Who is going to forward (share) this with the RNC and DNC?

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 16:49 | 5141998 cpnscarlet
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Some guy at the DNC named Goldstein said he already knew about it. He asked me my name and then hung up.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 18:14 | 5142324 Not Too Important
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I'm surprised he didn't tell you your name before you had a chance to say anything.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 21:49 | 5143119 John Wilmot
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I assume Orwell chose the name Emmanuel Goldstein in reference to the National Socialists (who justified their crimes in the name of fighting an invisible Jewish conspiracy). Today, I suppose it would be something Arabic. Uh oh, is that ISIS hiding under your bed? Booga Booga Booga! :-O

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 16:43 | 5141965 Stoploss
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Required reading around here.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 16:45 | 5141982 J S Bach
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Truly Orwellian.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 16:47 | 5141984 Bioscale
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All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 17:27 | 5142144 are we there yet
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Obama is the orwelian pig.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 20:16 | 5142759 disabledvet
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Animal Farm was Orwell's masterpiece in my view...not 1984. After all we are not "one against the State" since only in a "wacky" sense does the State see a one (what's his name from the NSA) as a threat.

Animal Farm is terrifying because existence itself can be seen as true through such lens...and indeed crimes...great crimes (he greatest of all?)....can be committed "in the name of greater equality."

That's why Lord of the Rings has had such a profound effect on our consciousness...the ability of us as humans to deceive ourselves.

I mean seriously "who doesn't want to believe in Dow 20,000"?

Or how about "hope springs eternal"?

As much as we are human....we are animals after all too.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 21:06 | 5142951 MontgomeryScott
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"Animal Farm" was a required reading novel in my English II honors class in high school (along with Steinbeck's "Of Mice And Men"). Books like "1984" and "For Whom The Bell Tolls" were still considered to be too graphic for teaching within secondary schools back then. As two of my choices of literature for this class, I picked "The Hobbit" trilogy, along with "The Chronicles Of Thomas Covenant" trilogy (the first trilogy, that is).

     I read "Animal farm" over the proceeding summer break.

Tolkein was lost in fantasy; Steinbeck and Orwell were both quite simplistic; and Donaldson was too introspective: HOWEVER, all three authors had valuable lessons to teach.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 21:59 | 5143165 Miffed Microbio...
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I feel like the horse Boxer. Work until my usefulness is gone and then taken to the knacker. I wonder if Boxer ever achieved disillusionment or did he just accept his fate? Is enlightenment really worth it or is subsistence on hot pockets, coke, TV and meds really the better choice?

Sorry, just my daily existential crisis. Nothing a shot of whiskey and a polo mallet can't cure.

Miffed;-)

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 22:16 | 5143244 Tall Tom
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I hope that the shot of whiskey comes before the Polo mallet crashes into my skull.

 

I love Big Bruhthah...

 

Dr. Jeckyll is wonderful...Then he turns into a Monster, Mr. Hyde, and turns your hands into bloody stumps. I know that from recent experience.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 21:46 | 5143105 Ginsengbull
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In the end, the Vogons take over.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 07:31 | 5144078 ebear
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"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."

and some are just plain better.  

Like bears, for instance.   Bears fucking rock!

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 16:46 | 5141987 insanelysane
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1

2

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 16:48 | 5141989 insanelysane
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3

4

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 16:47 | 5141991 insanelysane
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5

6

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 16:48 | 5141994 insanelysane
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7

8

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 16:48 | 5141995 insanelysane
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9

10

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 16:49 | 5142001 insanelysane
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My favorite is 8.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 16:53 | 5142023 ebworthen
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If you turn it sideways it is the infinity loop.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 17:20 | 5142113 autofixer
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...and we have always been at war with Eurasia.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 21:16 | 5142992 MontgomeryScott
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... and we have always been at war with Eastasia.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 19:09 | 5142513 malek
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Absolutely 6, and I hadn't ever heard that one before today.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 20:25 | 5142795 disabledvet
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See below and "leveling up is an interesting concept...especially as it is taken for granted in the form of computer gaming."

Such a theory presupposes not just objective truth but that such truth can indeed be recognized, readily observed and acted upon.

Talk about "beyond exceptional." This concept takes exceptionalism for granted!

Fascinating even conceptually...to see it in fact practiced...taken for granted as part of human existence...people need to be told that this is not how in fact "existence" exists.

We live by doing and feeling...not by getting better at things.

Still...it is interesting to ponder "the betterment of self" as a goal of existence in and of itself...

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 20:56 | 5142912 malek
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I have to assume you clicked on the wrong "reply" link - otherwise you lost me here.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 21:14 | 5142984 MontgomeryScott
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1, 3, 5, 7.

PRIME numbers, you know. If forced to pick one, I would pick 7.

6 and 9 seem to fit together too easily (unless you are seeking a partner that is willing).

8 rhymes with hate. 2 minutes of hate.

4 and 10 are still up for deliberation (but they're not PRIME numbers).

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 07:32 | 5144083 ebear
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Mine's a "99"

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 20:40 | 5142850 Robert.Paulson
Mon, 08/25/2014 - 16:50 | 5141997 Joe_in_Indiana
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As Diogenes would say, I'm still looking for an honest person.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 18:53 | 5142468 armageddon addahere
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As the former Diogenes (axed for expressing an unpopular opinion) I thank you.

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