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Spotting The Next Detroit - America's Fasting-Shrinking Cities
Whether Detroit's slumping population was cause or effect (or both) in its demise remains up for discussion; either way, in the ever-more-entitled and ever-less-working world in which we live, a declining population in the face of increasingly promised benefits has only two ends - death (bankruptcy) or taxes. In spite of almost record-low Muni market yields (and spreads), risks remain - just ask the HY market... and these 25 cities have the highest rate of population decline in America.
Bloomberg ranked U.S. cities based on the percentage change in population from 2012 to 2013 and identified the 25 that were shrinking the most.
Methodology
Only cities with at least 50,000 residents as of 2013 were included. Population estimates were as of July 1 each year. Data were rounded.
Source: Bloomberg
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Things will get much better for everyone else when Washington DC is listed as the fastest shrinking city.
Hence no border control!
That’s an astute observation. The population may even be negative if the poor free-loaders weren’t here to be counted.
Another astute obeservation..... don't buy the munis of any of those cities.
Somebody will sell them to you, kids
https://search.yahoo.com/search?p=YouTube+wolf+of+wall+street+buy+this+p...
Michigan’s white population has been in decline. 81.2%
At some percentage soon a tipping point will be reached triggering so-called ‘white flight’ from that state.
Pop info –
http://www.mdch.state.mi.us/pha/osr/CHI/POP/DP00_R1.asp
I guess a decline in population by murders saved Chicago and Baltimore from making the list.
Fuck lists!
In Baltimore there are about 200,000 black males, 200 of which die by murder each year. So the chances of a black male being murdred are about 0.1% per year. Not much, but when adjusted for an average male life span of 70 years, the rate is 7%.
Surely a city in NY must be on that list.
NY cities lost their population in the 80s, and stop calling me Shirley!
Manhattan is there, but it seems to have moved to KS.
In other news, it took me four days to hitch-hike from Saginaw.
....And when adjusted for being involved in an average liquor store hold up, the rate is 90%......
Not feeling your stat, but if your point is that you feel the % is high, then perhaps you might suggest to your brothers to not be involved in such activities that expose themselves to such a high rate of murder....
Or not. I prefer problems that solve themselves.
Fuck these stupid lists. A few of the "cities" lost 300-500 residents. Is that exciting news?
In Baltimore there are about 200,000 black males, 200 of which die by murder each year. So the chances of a black male being murdred are about 0.1% per year. Not much, but when adjusted for an average male life span of 70 years, the rate is 7%.
Camden NJ's flight of residents, lol, those that could left yrs ago, that drop was due to violent attrition...
My thoughts exactly. The only exit from Camden is cold and horizontal.
Never from the UP. Cold up there.
Yoopers are some of my favorite people though they do get a tad wierd in the winter. ;-)
Already happening.
Manhattan Kansas? That was first mistake.
Jacksonville, NC is a shit hole. They can bring in more marines, but twice as many locals leave. We do not want the marines here in Wilmington on the weekends either.
Restrictive covenants are the answer. But that is now considered unconstitutional. Strange how the govt. Can force you to associate with, rent to, sell to or hire somebody solely based on the color of their skin, their fairy tale god in heaven or now, if they are dykes or homos
The center cannot hold much longer
LVDave... The Center was gone through a long time ago. People simply fail to notice as the progression is not cataclysmic in any one given day, week, month or year.
The center no longer exists
Now that is astute !!! +1
Quite a few of the cities listed are in decline because of the "peace dividend" allegedly created by electing the Black Jesus as President and closing of numerous bases and reductions in personnel. Of coruse Detroit and some of the Rust Belt liberal toilets are declining because the bankrupt cities are driving people out to anywhere that a better life might be found.
Lots of the older suburbs of Detroit are emptying out.
Moving to FL with free pill clinics.
Red ones I hope. It is getting lonely around here.
Detroit has lost an average of 189,000 per decade for the last 6 decades. If this trend continues, the population of Detroit in the year 2050 will be 0.
Yuma and Carson City were a surprise to me.
Doesn't mean the BLS, err a I mean the census numbers are correct. The same phenom could happen if people simply conspire to not be counted. It's easier to fall off the rolls than most people think...
Lack of rainfall? Drought?
Yuma? What, are they closing the territorial prison? Seriously, I had some good times there, but the heat takes some getting used to.
DC is where your money is. I'm not leaving until you quit sending it here.
K Street in DC needs the most depopulation
Leave that to ISIS.
What difference does it make if the cities that are growing have populations that are unemployed, uneducated, live on EBT cards, have 75%+ of babies born out of wedlock, controlled by gangs?
I can't believe Rockford, Il is not on there.... what a pit..........
Rockford is NOT a hell hole. There are bad parts (kinda like Vegas) but lots of good folks and far enough from Chicago to retain it's provincial feel. If you must visit I sugget Allegiant airline into Rockford then drive to the Weatern burbs of Chicago. Time saved at the airport will make up for the drive time into the real hell hole of (By thy rivers gently flowing Illinois,) Illinois.
Cheap Trick is a famous product but before industry followed the dictates of world reserve currency status it had lots of light industry, tool makers, and going back funiture makers.
Also one of the best park districts anywhere.
It got me started on a life of outdoor adventure.
+1 for the Cheap Trick reference. One of the greatest live bands ever!
Yeah, I immediately looked for Rockford, too.
It showed up on a list of most dangerous U.S. neighborhoods recently.
Archaeologist James Henry Breasted was from Rockford.
Climber Ed Viesturs is from Rockford.
Oh and here is a most excellent map of the ethnic makeup of Chicago, Illinois, over the long haul.
Where are they going? In other words where are the growing cities?
Don't know but I bet there's a lot of gated communities there.
Do you consider FEMA camps to be gates neighborhoods? Generally I think of a gated neighborhoods as keeping folks out but I am always ready to cope with a paradigm shift.
Houston is moving welfare families out to the surrounding small towns. We have got a lot of them over the last decade due to the rent being cheaper. Of course border crossers living several families to an apt. take up the slack in Houston.
Texas
Wait until they splash half the gulf of mexico up the mississippi delta. Oh! You've got a boat so your good to go threw 2000ft waves...lol
Texas, for good reason.
Texas: Oil, no state taxes, plenty of decent jobs, hot ladies, living expense are affordable in most areas, lots of place to dine out, young kids, tanks, Army, Air Force, much more!
Its like a list of cities to go buy real-estate in, in 5 years after its done self-destructing.
Its a good idea to buy land in a city after its liberalism destroys itself, because thats usually around when common sense kicks in and they convert to a more libertarian style society out of the sheer need to actually have citizens who give a shit about their own future.
Odd that none of the cities are in those liberal, commie bastions of California and New York, while the top 5 are shithole red state towns along with almost all the rest of them.
Red states, black cities. Hence, white flight and the inevitable downward spiral.
Jackson, Mississippi, recently elected a black supremacist mayor who goes by "Chokwe Lumumba" and who declared the city the capital of something called "The Republic of New Afrika."
Sounds like a great place to raise a family!
The city listed above is Jackson Massachusetts - not Jackson Mississippi, whose local economy has benefited from gaining auto manufactruing drom the midwest.
There is no Jackson MA. It's Jackson MS alright.
https://www.google.com/search?q=jackson+massachusetts&client=firefox-a&hs=vLS&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=oOf7U6qsHIrloASpkoAo&ved=0CF4QsAQ&biw=1920&bih=969
Here are some photos from Jackson, Massachusetts.
Enjoy!
I repeat. There is no Jackson MA. It's about Jackson MS which is a shithole within a shithole.
Will you at least check the graph above (where you will see MSt intended for Massachusetts)?
1) MSt is not an abbreviation for Massachusetts.
2) Click the link and read the bloomberg article; it clearly says Jackson, MS with a population of 172,000
Thanks - very interesting.
I don't understand why they put Jacksom MSt on the graph.
Yes Jackson itself is losing some folks - but the Jacksom MS Metropolitan Statistical Area increased from 539,057 in 2010 to 576,800 in 2012.
And yes, most of the growth is in the suburbs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackson,_Mississippi_metropolitan_area
Get off the Interstates in the deep south, and travel through the "black belt" and if you're white, black people will stare at you like you're from Mars. Like Tusgeegee, Alabama, a black college town. Very strange vibes, as folks on the town green just would stare at me and mine driving the ole Volvo.
A Volvo? They mistook you for a liberal on safari.....
Odd that none of the cities are in those liberal, commie bastions of California and New York
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All the undocumented liberals are flowing into CA & NY. More free shit.
In the very blue states of New England, old mill cities that should have disappeared right after WWII continue to exist with goverment subsidies of all kinds. These cities should be gone and plowed under.
Red states are "shitholes" ONLY in the limited geographical pockets of urban-Zulu and college Campus-Communist infestation.
The vast majority of those largely Conservative states are HANDS DOWN, among the very best places to live on the planet.
Sounds great,
but where, exactly, has this happened?
RIGHT?!?!?!?!!! By the time THAT happens, we'll have title by conquest all over again.
Sounds like something out of the prospectus for a tech startup. Check your reality and your wallet.
Large urban plantations are anachronisms and are no longer the results of needful close associations. Current Internet and satellite communications will reduce the need for personal business travel and face to face meetings.
Small, more moderate size living arrangements will be the wave of the future.
The remains of the urban plantations will be the domain of feral dogs and barbarous baboonic predators.
To the last one leaving MI, please turn off the lights!
You're off topic - there is no Mississippi city on the above list.
The Jackson listing above is Jackson Massachusetts.
Please be aware that Mississippi population is slowly rising - up 0.6% 2010-2013 - and gaining manufacturing from the Northeast and Midwest.
OK Kids....Let's Review!
MA = Massachusetts
MI = Michigan
MS = Mississippi
MO = Missouri
MN = Minnesota
MJ = What I'm smoking right now
Dude, you flunked the geography bee.
If you read the graph carefully you will see that is shows Jackson MSt.
Fooled me for a while too, then I realized it couldn't be Jackson Mississipi becasue I am familiar wiht the local economy and know that population is actually rising in Mississippi acording to US Census data.
Gromit,
There is NO city "Jackson, MA"
NO ZIP code
https://tools.usps.com/go/ZipLookupAction_input
If you dispute what the article states about Jackson MS,
then provide your info.
But please give up about the fictitious "Jackson MA"
Ummm, MI is for Michigan. MS is for Mississppi.
state abbreviations
"Valdosta has a total population of 54,518"
The two Mormon families moved out of town.
Valdosta Motto: "A City Without Limits"
“[He] had to submit to the fate of every newcomer in a small town, where many tongues talk but few heads think.” Les Miserables
Nothing new there. The Detroit population has been shrinking since the 50s, and really picked up with the white flight after the riots. Coleman Young and the African-American caliphate in the 70s sealed the deal.
"Free Trade" and all of its attendant evils, is what has destroyed America.
Sinkholes are opening all over the planet. Ideally, Jesus will see to the Earth gulping down The D.
If this drought continues there may be a few from Cali on this list. Right now watching the " water will always drop from the heavens" mentality all around me is depressing. People are not only becoming less intelligent but more disconnected from reality.
Miffed;-)
Have they tried rain dances yet?
Urbanization continues apace.
Ebola cures cities.
Ebola is not likely but there are several old school disease's that'll do the job. I expect a Spanish flu type outbreak at any time and the black plague has a chance in the cities that have gone tribal.
The Ebonic Plague is destroying all of these cities.
Manhattan, KS? That's a college town. Does this mean enrollments are dropping?
One can only hope.
The thieving BigEducation criminal enterprise and its Communist enablers and participants needs to go down HARD.
And SOON.
.
Yes.
America's run-down ghetto-ized Cities.Reminds me of the same crap in the MiddleEast.Some places you just never drive into bro'...you might get yourself and the family shot,raped and robbed in no particular order.
But the government employees who setup themselves with posh retirement packages, they know no bounds and have no morals at all when it comes to shaking down the remaining residents for tax money to ensure the pension money keeps coming in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XGAmPRxV48
What happened in Valdosta? Had a friend in the USAF there years ago and visited he and his family a couple of times. No big negatives as far as I could see.
Couple of towns on that list are heavy into MIC. Moody AFB nearby, may be downsizing post-Iraq.
edit: http://www.walb.com/story/24819852/military-downsizing-could-affect-vald...
Moody AFB is actually outside of Valdosta. Also the University there has 12,500 students that many are not being counted in this population survey. A loss of 1100 people just isn't a lot even though the % makes it on the list.
What are the demographics of these cities? Correct me if I'm wrong but more than half of these towns (2/3rds?) are majority black. Lawton, OK and Jacksonville, NC are "base towns" and likely have to do with base realignments. If even a batallion moves and they take their wives and kids with them you're potentially talking a huge chunk of the population (and the government money that props these towns up).
Not sure what's wrong with Manhattan Kansas, in 2011 it was ranked by Forbes at the best small town to start a business or career.
Ft. Riley
http://kansasfirstnews.com/2014/06/27/army-releases-possible-reductions-...
Karma creeps up if you name yourself after the most statist town in 'merica
Detroit was one of the most vibrant, beautiful cities in the world 55 yrs ago. It was pretty much a White city. Look on it now.
The USSA, unless there is revolutionary change this is your future.
THE COMING DARKNESS: A Warning for Americans: A message from South Africa
But woe to you if - or more likely, when - the rules change. White Americans may soon find themselves unable or unwilling to stand up to challenge the new political methods that will be the inevitable result of the ethnic metamorphosis now taking place in America. Unable to cope with the new rules of the game - violence, mob riots, intimidation through accusations of racism, demands for proportionality based on racial numbers, and all the other social and political weapons used by the have-nots to bludgeon treasure and power from the haves - Americans, like others before them, will no doubt cave in. They will compromise away their independence and ultimately their way of life.
That is exactly what happened in South Africa. I know, because I was there and I saw it happen.
The Dutch and British built a First World, near paradise in South Africa.
How long before the uncivilized, amoral, thieving baboons utterly destroy it?
I got 50 years.
When they start re-distributing the farmland, you've got less than 5 years left.
WOW!
Which lucky city will receive our black jesus dear leader when he leaves DC ?
He's going to do voiceovers on nature shows - inheriting the James Earl Jones gigs.
Uh...Luke, uh....um, let me be clear. If I had a son...uh, it'd be you.
he'll probably go to hawaii, somewhere near an exclusive golf course, he'll visit the 'mainland' to collect his payola, er, speech money at $200k a pop
Barry won't have much of a retirement. He's aging in dog years...,
and what is he retiring from, except golfing and begging for money?
.....Maybe AIDS is aging him so fast.
Obozo and the drag queen he married were rumoured to buy a mansion near Palm Springs
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/22/obama-family-set-buy-425...
the elite and the corporations are busily working to make sure as many immigrants --legal and illegal-- are crammed into the USA so that all these cities will expand and not shrink
A lot of those cities have seen population explosions over the past 30 years, just that most of the population moved elsewhere. If you take a look at the racial makeup of the surrounding areas you will find the percentage of blacks in those towns went from the low teens to a huge majority. So while the population of Detroit declined, the people there left for other cities offering EBT benefits.
Once the ghetto finishes off a city, nobody moves back.
I want to post a map of northeast Ohio based on the racial makeup of towns in 1965 and now. The finished product would show an outward arc of around 20 miles from Downtown Cleveland that went from majority white to majority black. It is possible to draw a line from downtown Cleveland to Akron and only pass through one town with a majority white population.
I think the goal is to be able to go from Youngstown west to Lorain and Cleveland south to Canton without being able to see anyone other than Hispanics and blacks. We're almost there.
It's called "Section 8 Checkers". When you live 60 miles from your job, you've reached the opposite side of the board and can start jumping back.
You get what they force you to pay for.
You boil this plight down to race demographics when in fact the issue is wealth and income. The question to ask isn't why are there so few white people and so many blacks, but rather where did all the money go? I want to see that map. BTW, IMHO the next wealth boom in this country will be among Latinos.
So its literally a black plague that moves through the city causing devastation and the city never bounces back.
Yes, Ebonic Plague.
To paraphrase Niezsche: "America is dead. It died of its pity for negroes."
My view is the world is in a cooling-down mode since 2001 9/11. The first phase was a psychological effect from the attacts, aside from the real damage the attacks had. People spend less and 'attempt' to save more which results in a economic cooling of global trades effecting financial elements which promotes hostilities. The mean effect from less monitary velocity within urban developments is less infrastructure support and exasperates the community's ability to deal with the overall governance.
'The last word probibly killed any chance for the up votes /sarc'
The beaches on west side of Michigan are nice for a couple months a year....
Whoa. Judging from the states involved, the FSA is on the march. Point of no return? 10 years ago at least.
I'm headed out in a few years to trace my anscestors migration path. Reached a dead end here.
Like Jim Rogers, everyone has moved his money and ass to Asia.
Why Pocatello ID? Anyone know?
Folks aren't eating as many potatoes as they used to.
Those are not cities.
Those are hick towns and villages.
Look at Europe. A real city has at least a million inhabitants.
In England a city has a Cathedral.
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OR a university.
Best BBQ restaurant anywhere in Valdosta, Ga. The Smokin' Pig. Very reasonably priced with great service.
I hate when fucking morons talk about Detroit that have no clue what they're talking about.
Detroit shrunk because of race riots and SPRAWL, not liberalism.
The Detroit Metro AREA has not shrunk just the city per se.
People all moved out to the burbs to shop at big malls and live in sterile subdivisions. And to avoid the blackman.
Anyone that makes a connection to democrats or liberals or welfare are FUCKING DUMBASSES.
Metro Detroit population - not quite shrinking. I guess WELFARE is a good thing *rolls eyes*. Now go back to your Alabama's and Mississippi's, the red states you embrace and tell me about welfare.
1950 3,016,197 — 1960 3,762,360 24.7% 1970 4,307,470 14.5% 1980 4,353,365 1.1% 1990 4,382,299 0.7% 2000 4,452,557 1.6%However Detroit is no longer the jobs magnet. The downtown/commerical hub has likely moved to satelite towns, like in other cities. How many counties are included in the Metro area...the MSA? Democratic rule has utterly destroyed the City. Its main partner HUD and all the affiliated urban planners used Detroit for their grand experiment of urban renewal. Hundreds of billiions poured into every facet of the city's life attempting to turn its downturn into a shinying success of public public and some private partnerships to renew the city.
Metro Detroit 4,296,000 2010 census
Liberalism promotes race riots and thus people want to sprawl as far away as they can from the inner city
We should raise taxes to encourage the rich to come back.
By the year 2050 Detroit will become an elitist paradise. Geographically it is the centre of American manufacturing post peak oil, as it was before in the pre-oil economy. Look at the waterway system around the city.
Detroit is the poster child of the future. The 1% knows this, which is why they are kicking the shit out of it. It may quite possibly be the new Washington as Constantinople was to Rome at the end of the Roman Empire.
Belle isle maybe the site of Rothschild castle for the next 1000 years, they could even go Scottish with a loch ness monster and everything, even wearing tartan and playing bagpipes on their man lips while wearing skirts and dancing highland style..!
Och eye the knoo... laddie eat my fuckin furry haggis Jock Obummer!
I am not kidding but Detroit may be turned over to China. The Repub (RINO) MI governor is all for the idea to let Chinese flood in to transform Detroit. I thought it was a joke when I read it on the web.
Just move to DC. Minimum wage for a government job is 120K a year to sit around and do nothing but fuck with people who are doing things.
Global warming will reverse the trend of folks moving to the south and west from the rust-belt. So buy property in those northeast holes now in advance of the rush.
This is the problem with a chart that shows only one year. Manhattan, KS is a booming college town. It has per decade population growth in the double digits; around 16.6% is the lowest per-decade growth since its founding. (Look it up on Wiki). You blow your whole arguement with me when it shows up on your list. I live close to there. I wish I lived in Manhattan as it is fun to visit.
But that population does not die off.
That population must opup somewhere, Where?
Plus another 2 million annual hispanic immigration from the South. Which cities grow?
But, but, but...these cities are progressive paradises, operated for decades along Keynesian priciples. How could they have possibly lost population? Call Krugman, he has some 'splaining to do...
This list is crap. Real population decline takes years, decades. The Northeast has been slowly, but surely, losing people for the past 30-40 years.
Thankfully, the articles on ZH these days are short and useless, but the comments are still well above par (compared to Yahoo or other lib shithole sites).
I'm in upstate NY. Message to potential looters and rioters in Rochester: Fuck you, stay in the ghetto. You come out to the suburbs and you'll get shot.
Message to suburban whites in Rochester: Get a gun and plenty of ammo. And stop passing ridiculous school budgets and paying premium taxes, dumbasses. There's a couple of disturbing trends going on in my community, a suburb of Rochester, NY. One, lots and lots of vacant houses in the burbs. Mostly bank-owned and fairly maintained, the banks are paying the property taxes and keeping up appearances, thinking somehow, this market is going to rebound. As usual, the banksters are WRONG. Two, single family homes being turned into rentals and being rented out by minorities with kids, who move from the city (graduation rate, 42%, lowest in the state, I kid you not) to the 'burbs, where graduation rates are in the high 90's%. Meanwhile, stupid white people continue to pass exorbitant school budgets to teach black kids of rental parents. The kids leave when they graduate, houses go empty or add more renters.
Bad situation, surely to get worse. I am thinking of getting out within five years. More black and brown people around here than ever before. When I was growing up here (60s-70s), you could not find a black person. Not saying that all blacks are bad, but the trend is in place and they are ruinous to neighborhoods on a general basis. Good thing we have whoop-de-doo white cops, keeping them in check wit all their military gear and stuff.
Place I grew up in is turning into a third world shit-hole, except with high property taxes. UN-SUS-TAIN-ABLE, but don't tell our elected people. They just want MOAR!
With the high correlation between these "dramatic population delines" and factors such as universities, military bases etc, Bloomberg should give themselves a pat on the back for having a completely useless chart they can pull out EVERY YEAR and the number will probably be about the same, every time.
It's a sad world where even Bloomberg and the WSJ strain credulity anymore.