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The 'Sunni Turn' Against The 'Shiite Crescent': How The Strategic Stupidity Of Washington (And Its Allies) Created ISIS

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Submitted by AntiWar's Justin Raimondo via Contra Corner blog,

The Islamic State in Syria (ISIS) is being touted as the newest “threat” to the American homeland: hysterics have pointed to Chicago as the locus of their interest, and we are told by everyone from the President on down that if we don’t attack them – i.e. go back into Iraq (and even venture into Syria) to root them out – they’ll soon show up on American shores.

How is this supposed to work? Well, you see, that monster who beheaded James Foley had a British accent, and there are reports of more than a few Brits (and Americans) traveling to Syria to fight on behalf of ISIS. So these jihadi “internationalists” could always just fly back to either Britain or the US, where another 9/11 would shortly be in the works.

Let’s put aside the FBI statement that, while Americans abroad may be in some unspecified degree of danger, ISIS represents “no credible threat” to the continental United States. If we take the ISIS-threatens-us-at-home war propaganda seriously we have to believe Western law enforcement agencies, with all the tools at their command – including near total surveillance of online and telephonic communications worldwide – have no idea what dubious characters have traveled to Syria via, say, New York or London, and would in any case be powerless to prevent their return.

In short, we have to invade yet another country (or two) because our own post-9/11 security arrangements are virtually nonexistent – in spite of having spent untold billions on building them up.

Can that really be true?

If we step back from the hysteria generated by the beheading of US journalist James Foley, what’s clear is that this new bogeyman is the creation of the United States and its allies in the region.

ISIS didn’t just arise out of the earth like some Islamist variation on the fabled Myrmidons: they needed money, weapons, logistics, propaganda facilities, and international connections to reach the relatively high level of organization and lethality they seem to have achieved in such a short period of time. Where did they get these assets?

None of this is any secret: Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the rest of the oil-rich Gulf states have been backing them all the way. Prince Bandar al-Sultan, until recently the head of the Kingdom’s intelligence agency – and still the chief of its National Security Council – has been among their biggest backers. Qatar and the Gulf states have also been generous in their support for the Syrian jihadists who were too radical for the US to openly back. Although pressure from Washington – only recently exerted – has reportedly forced them to cut off the aid, ISIS is now an accomplished fact – and how can anyone say that support has entirely evaporated instead of merely going underground?

Washington’s responsibility for the success of ISIS is less direct, but no less damning.

The US was in a de facto alliance with the groups that merged to form ISIS ever since President Barack Obama declared Syria’s Bashar al-Assad “must go” – and Washington started funding Syrian rebel groups whose composition and leadership kept changing. By funding the Free Syrian Army (FSA), our “vetted” Syrian Islamists, this administration has actively worked to defeat the only forces capable of rooting out ISIS from its Syrian nest – Assad’s Ba’athist government. Millions of dollars in overt aid – and who knows how much covertly? – were pumped into the FSA. How much of that seeped into the coffers of ISIS when constantly forming and re-forming chameleon-like rebel groups defected from the FSA? These defectors didn’t just go away: they joined up with more radical – and militarily effective – Islamist militias, some of which undoubtedly found their way to ISIS.

How many ISIS cadres who started out in the FSA were trained and equipped by American “advisors” in neighboring Jordan? We’ll never know the exact answer to that question, but the number is very likely not zero – and this Mother Jones piece shows that, at least under the Clinton-Petraeus duo, the “vetting” process was a joke. Furthermore, Senator Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) may well have been on to something when he confronted Hillary with the contention that some of the arms looted from Gaddafi’s arsenals may well have reached the Syrian rebels. There was, after all, the question of where that mysterious “charity ship,” the Al Entisar, carrying “humanitarian aid” to the Syrian rebels headquartered in Turkey, sailed from.

Secondly, the open backing by the US of particular Syrian rebel groups no doubt discredited them in the eyes of most Islamist types, driving them away from the FSA and into the arms of ISIS. When it became clear Washington wasn’t going to provide air support for rebel actions on the ground, these guys left the FSA in droves – and swelled the ranks of groups that eventually coalesced into ISIS.

Thirdly, the one silent partner in all this has been the state of Israel. While there is no evidence of direct Israeli backing, the public statements of some top Israeli officials lead one to believe Tel Aviv has little interest in stopping the ISIS threat – except, of course, to urge Washington to step deeper into the Syrian quagmire.

In a recent public event held at the Aspen Institute, former Israeli ambassador to the US Michael Oren bluntly stated that in any struggle between the Sunni jihadists and their Iranian Shi’ite enemies, the former are the “lesser evil.” They’re all “bad guys,” says Oren, but “we always wanted Bashar Assad to go, we always preferred the bad guys who weren’t backed by Iran to the bad guys who were backed by Iran.” Last year, Sima Shine, Israel’s Minister of Strategic Affairs, declared:

"The alternative, whereby [Assad falls and] Jihadists flock to Syria, is not good. We have no good options in Syria. But Assad remaining along with the Iranians is worse. His ouster would exert immense pressure on Iran.”

None of this should come as much of a surprise to anyone who has been following Israel’s machinations in the region. It has long been known that the Israelis have been standing very close to the sidelines of the Syrian civil war, gloating and hoping for “no outcome,” as this New York Times piece put it.

Israel’s goal in the region has been to gin up as much conflict and chaos as possible, keeping its Islamic enemies divided, making it impossible for any credible challenge to arise among its Arab neighbors – and aiming the main blow at Tehran. As Ambassador Oren so brazenly asserted – while paying lip service to the awfulness of ISIS and al-Qaeda – their quarrel isn’t really with the Arabs, anyway – it’s with the Persians, whom they fear and loathe, and whose destruction has been their number one objective since the days of Ariel Sharon.

Why anyone is shocked that our Middle Eastern allies have been building up Sunni radicals in the region is beyond me – because this has also been de facto US policy since the Bush administration, which began recruiting American assets in the Sunni region as the linchpin of the Iraqi “surge.” This was part and parcel of the so-called “Sunni turn,” or “redirection,” in Seymour Hersh’s phrase, which, as I warned in 2006, would become Washington’s chosen strategy for dealing with what they called the “Shia crescent” – the crescent-shaped territory spanning Iran, Iraq, Syria, and parts of Lebanon under Hezbollah’s control, which the neocons began pointing to as the Big New Threat shortly after Saddam Hussein’s defeat.

The pro-Sunni orientation of US policymakers wasn’t reversed with the change of administrations: instead, it went into overdrive, especially after the much-vaunted Arab Spring. Both Hillary Clinton, then Secretary of State, and David Petraeus, who had yet to disgrace himself and was still CIA director, lobbied intensively for more support to the Syrian rebels. The Sunni Turn took a fateful turn when the Three Harpies of the Apocalypse – Hillary, Susan Rice, and now UN ambassador Samantha Power – hectored Obama into pursuing regime change in Libya. In this case the US and its NATO allies acted as the Islamist militia’s air force while supplying them with arms on the ground and diplomatic support internationally.

Yet even as Libya was imploding from the effects of its “liberation,” the neocons and their “liberal” interventionist allies in the Democratic party – and in the highest reaches of the Obama administration – were building support for yet another fateful “Sunni turn,” this time in Syria. Caving to this pressure, the Obama administration decided to act on accusations of poison gas supposedly used by Assad against the rebels to directly intervene with a bombing campaign modeled along Libyan lines. Only a huge public outcry stopped them.

ISIS could never have been consolidated in the form it has now taken without the strategic disaster of Washington’s “Sunni turn.” While the US may have reason to regret this harebrained strategy, it’s far too late for that – and it looks to me like our “allies” in the region, including Israel, aren’t about to turn on a dime at Obama’s command.

Last year around this time Vladimir Putin very publicly warned against the scenario we are seeing unfold in the Middle East:

“If Assad goes today, a political vacuum emerges – who will fill it? Maybe those terrorist organizations. Nobody wants this – but how can it be avoided? After all, they are armed and aggressive.”

Now that Putin’s prediction has come to pass, we’re too busy confronting him in Ukraine – and dreaming of the day we can do to him what we did to Assad – to acknowledge it. But you can hear the gears of our policymaking machine screaming in protest as Washington does an abrupt about-face and starts cooperating with Assad – previously denounced as the latest edition of Adolph Hitler – by sharing intelligence enabling the Syrian army to target ISIS positions.

We have always been at war with Eurasia. Or is that Eastasia? I forget.

The lesson of all this?

What a tangled web we weave when first we practice to intervene. And deceive – this administration has not only been lying to the American people about the nature of the Syrian “liberators” we’ve been funding with their tax dollars, they also been deceiving themselves. The Sunni Turn has turned on them, and with a vengeance.

The ancient Greeks had a word for the particular sin committed by our political class: they called it hubris– a mindset generated by the belief that humankind can defy the gods and get away with it. Yet the divine pantheon of Olympus had a way of giving these malefactors their comeuppance: they sent the goddess Nemesis to avenge such sacrilege – and she was relentless in her pursuit. The word nemesis has come down to us to mean “the inescapable agent of someone’s or something’s downfall” – and that is as succinct an explanation of the origins of ISIS as we are likely to come across.

Okay, so the anti-interventionists told us so – but now what? What should the United States do about ISIS now that they’ve taken over half of Syria and a third of Iraq?

The answer is: let Assad, the Iranians, the Turks, and, yes, the Russians take care of it, since they are the states directly threatened by the growth of the so-called Islamic State. Why should we fight their war for them?

Contrary to the War Party’s hebephrenic appeals to intervene, inaction on our part is key to the destruction of ISIS. The Grand Caliph of the Islamic State would like nothing more than to be able to portray ISIS as the valiant opponent of a US reentry into the region. It would be a tremendous propaganda victory for them to be able to frame their cause in this context because the result would be a successful international recruiting drive that would fill the ranks of the Islamic State’s army even as hundreds are killed by US drones and missile strikes.

By letting nature take its course and permitting Iraq’s predatory neighbors to gobble up the charred remains of the Iraqi state we destroyed, we can solve a problem we created in the first place, albeit not without incurring the inevitable cost of our initial error – which was invading Iraq in the first place.

ISIS has made a big deal out of declaring the end of the Sykes-Picot agreement, which divided the region between British and French interests at the end of World War I. Having declared their “Islamic State,” ISIS claims to have destroyed the status quo by militarily – and, to much notice, symbolically – erasing the border between Syria and Iraq. The claim is laughable: a ragtag”army” of perhaps 17,000 fighters couldn’t have achieved that without some significant outside help, not only from the Saudis and the Qataris but, decisively, from Washington.

We abolished Sykes-Picot by effectively putting an end to Iraqi statehood. The process was completed when Washington subsequently allied with Iraq’s Sunni tribesmen in a vain hope to avoid the break up of Iraq and drive Al Qaeda out of the country. What happened, instead, was that the Sunni tribesmen’s brothers across the by-then-virtually-nonexistent border were drawn into the Iraqi arena, where they took up the fight against Baghdad – and their American backers.

ISIS didn’t blast Sykes-Picot to pieces: we did, and now we must live with the consequences. Nemesis has taken her pound of flesh.

The best course now is to learn the lesson every child has to absorb before he can attain adulthood in more than merely a physical sense: actions have consequences. Applied to the Middle East, this lesson can only have one meaning: stay out and keep out.


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Mon, 08/25/2014 - 22:57 | 5143410 john39
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the U.S. and Israel are not fooling too many people around the world with their frankenstein creation, Isis:

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 23:02 | 5143424 Newsboy
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NATO needs to do a big new war, and has to have at least one suitable enemy.

The Russians are being uncooperative.

Fortunately, beheading an American reporter on TV at just the right time seems to be working well. Buy General Dynamics, and so on.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 23:08 | 5143448 Tabarnaque
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Here is an interesting RT article about IS' Chechen military mastermind. The CIA was and remains very active in funding an Islamic rebellion in Chechnya. Weather IS is a deliberate creation of the USSA or not remains to be seen. But at least we know that IS' leadership definitely received military training from the US military.


Iraq’s Chechen commander


The next bizarre part of the ISIS puzzle involves the Jihadist credited with being the ‘military mastermind’ of the recent ISIS victories, Tarkhan Batirashvili. If his name doesn’t sound very Arabic, it’s because it’s not. Tarkhan Batrashvili is a Russian - actually an ethnic Chechen from near the Chechen border to Georgia. But to give himself a more Arabic flair, he also goes by the name Emir (what else?) Umar al Shishani. The problem is he doesn’t look at all Arabic. No dark swarthy black beard: rather a long red beard, a kind of Chechen Barbarossa.


Jeffrey Silverman, Georgia Bureau Chief for the US-based Veterans Today (VT) website, told me that Batrashvili “is a product of a joint program of the US through a front NGO called Jvari, which was set up by US Intelligence and the Georgian National Security Council, dating back to the early days of the Pankisi Gorge.”

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 23:30 | 5143516 markmotive
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ISIS has a bigger revenue stream than Twitter.


Tue, 08/26/2014 - 00:45 | 5143702 mrmister
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Dudes we have been over this. ISIS is a pre existing US military contractor that had contracts to train in IRAQ see the official website.


Tue, 08/26/2014 - 04:41 | 5143905 BorisTheBlade
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Wow, time for IPO then.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 23:33 | 5143527 John Wilmot
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The overarching purpose of US grand strategy in the Middle East is to strike at Russia's "soft underbelly."

That's why the loss of Iran in 1979 was so catastrophic for them, and why they're so obsessed with retaking Iran.

Not about oil (that's just $), Russia (that's world domination).

And the US and friends have been supporting Islamist terrorism within Russia for a long time.

Remember why they created the Afghan mujaheddin in the first place.


Tue, 08/26/2014 - 00:14 | 5143643 BLOTTO
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Why can't ISIS give us intelligence on ISIS?


International Security and Intelligence Services.


'ISIS exists for one purpose: To provide government and business the sophisticated intelligence, technology, security and training they need to support and protect national and corporate interests in the most challenging of global environments. All with the utmost professionalism, transparency, and integrity.'

– Don Wright, President & CEO


And they have a location in Iraq - hows the 'sophisticated intelligence' going?



Tue, 08/26/2014 - 00:15 | 5143651 John Wilmot
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That's quite funny..

Maybe that's where the CIA got the name

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 01:51 | 5143784 herohedge
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Formerly "Integrated System Improvement Services"*/

But you can find the ISIS acronym anywhere:

Amusingly, also in a Chuck episode:

The CIA operation was code-named Isis; however, intelligence recovered by John Casey from a former NSA contact indicated that Isis was canceled some 20 years earlier after Mary went rogue


Tue, 08/26/2014 - 00:20 | 5143658 AUD
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Not just the US, but UK, France & others. Hence the Crimean War, where the UK & France teamed up with the Ottomans to wage war against a fellow Christian empire. That said, the Chechens have been battling the Russians at least as far back as the Crimean War.

This is an interesting article regarding current events -

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 00:47 | 5143695 John Wilmot
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Yes, the US has simply picked up where Britain left off.

First they finished off France (1815).

Then Germany (1945).

They've been working on Russia for a long time (tried a big color revolution in 1917 which seemed to backfire), haven't quite succeeded yet.

An American or other Westerner, while loathing our own governments' policies, has to be careful however not to sympathize with Russia (the Russian state, that is, sympathize all you like with the Russian people), because this is purely a matter of power politics. There is no ideological struggle. If Russia were in a position to do the same to the US, it would. This is power-hungry cunts playing chess with billions of lives: same as it ever was.


Tue, 08/26/2014 - 05:18 | 5143935 Sandmann
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Well the Kuhn Loeb bank did fund Lenin's crowd as did a large philathropist in Cincinnati but much of the docs are still under lock and key at The Hoover Institute in Californioa where Kerensky's Cabinet papers are housed

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 09:16 | 5144386 luckystars
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I don't see Russia as any kind of threat to us. The power hungry cunts running the west are the big threat to us. They will destroy USA to achieve world domination.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 08:33 | 5144082 fleur de lis
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The Ottomans got lured into an alliance that the schemers knew would lose because they planned it that way in the 1890's. The Sultan put the Hejaz Railway up for collateral. After the War the victors used it for the oil trade. The Russian Empie was still Christian, the others were nominally Christian because they had already been infiltrated and usurped from within. Not even the army commanders were in on the scam. They were all cannon fodder from private to officer and everybody in between, along with their societies. Like us.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 07:32 | 5143984 daemon
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" The overarching purpose of US grand strategy in the Middle East is to strike at Russia's "soft underbelly." "

Definitely. As some Russian people have claimed it numerous times, it's all about hunting "The Bear". The author of the article seems to completely ignore that point. It's particularly clear when he writes :"  The answer is: let Assad, the Iranians, the Turks, and, yes, the Russians take care of it, since they are the states directly threatened by the growth of the so-called Islamic State. Why should we fight their war for them? "

Sure, it is their war ..... specially brought to them by the West, through a cardboard army which may possibly have already completed one of it's objectives, judging by the article.

Don't worry, it was meant to be a NATO war since the beginning. And chances are, it will end up with pipelines crossing Syria, from Qatar to Europe. After that, stay tuned ... "The Bear" has found a new friend (at least temporarily) : "The Panda".

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 09:11 | 5144369 luckystars
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The big slap in the face is the loss of Crimea with black sea port back to Russia.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 09:40 | 5144411 daemon
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" The big slap in the face is the loss of Crimea with black sea port back to Russia. "

Possible, but don't forget that Bosphorus is currently situated in a NATO country(of course, it was no coincidence that Turkey was incorporated in NATO), .....  in case of extreme crisis......

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 06:51 | 5144039 AnAnonymous
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That is a good one. A good 'american' one.

How old is the CIA? The Chechnya stance is older than the CIA. At best, the CIA took advantage of the situation.

Self determination of people, another measure of 'americanism' spreading.

It is how 'americans' work, they distort facts in order that responsibility means nothing. They are responsible of nothing or everything, which means responsibility does not exist.

The CIA is nip in Chechnya, which is older than the CIA.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 23:40 | 5143552 Hugh G Rection
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Funny how that blunted knife showed no edge and no blood appeared after 6 back and forths from the proxy boogyman.


Anyone else notice the same kind of buildup as before 9/11?  I think they're getting ready for FALSE FLAG 2.0

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 23:51 | 5143584 john39
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War is close now.  THEY are going to openly attack syria, using isis as the set up.  How very convenient.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 02:41 | 5143822 Hugh G Rection
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2 hasbarats thumbs downed their way through the comments whilst stuffing their fat faces with bagels.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 03:12 | 5143852 BringOnTheAsteroid
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I don't get this. If the US attacks Syria are they going after Assad or ISIS ?????????

If they are going after ISIS then they're assisting Assad, right?

If they are going after Assad, they're assisting ISIS, right?

Oh, oh, hang on a sec, or are they going after Assad and ISIS to assist Syrian oil to be cheaper and more available to the US?

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 05:15 | 5143933 Sandmann
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CHAOS is the US policy to remove all threats to Zion

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 22:58 | 5143413 Seize Mars
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It's all fake. All of it.




Mon, 08/25/2014 - 23:15 | 5143452 Ignatius
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Terrorism is theatre - the greatest organizing principle ever.

It's not about what was done to Foley, but how we react to it.  It's not about the 3,000 souls who lost their lives on 9/11, but how populations were cowed into accepting the draconian fallout.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 23:56 | 5143601 Drunk In Church
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America created ISIS by choosing stability over freedom.  We should have stood beside Assad and Saddam till the bitter end.  They kept the loonies towing the line.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 02:06 | 5143796 toxic8
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Mossad Freudian Slip:


Tue, 08/26/2014 - 05:22 | 5143939 silvertri
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great find Toxic!!

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 06:10 | 5143975 Wahooo
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The tribe must go.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 04:22 | 5143892 CuttingEdge
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3000 on 9/11 and we still talk about it 13 years on like it was only yesterday.

2000 Palestinians dead this month and it will be forgotton in no time.

The value of a human life (in the US government's opinion at least) appears directly proportionate to the shade of its skin.

If you like your genocide, you can keep your genocide...


Questions used to be asked how the German people claimed to be in ignorance of the nazis' machinations right to the end. I wonder whether or not 50 years from now, when China are running things, and the US hegemony is but a painful memory for most of the world (given how much of it they have trashed in the last 60 years or so), the same questions will be asked of the American (and British) people.  Probably get blamed on the distractions of Kim Kardashian and Justin Bieber.






Tue, 08/26/2014 - 08:38 | 5144252 zerocash
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They care about the 6000 dead Eastern Ukrainian civilians even less and last time I checked they were white.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 01:03 | 5148048 tvdog
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The reason the German people were ignorant of the Nazis' "final solution" to the Jewish problem was that there never was such a policy.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 00:31 | 5143681 Kirk2NCC1701
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But Organized Religion is by far and wide the biggest and longest-running mass-deception perpetrated on mankind.

The ignorant believe it, the wise do not, and leaders find it useful. And the rich love it, as it keeps the poor from murdering the rich, and the poor and downtrodden glam on to the only thing that can't be taxed or stolen: Hope. Although hope is fantastic and important, it is Religious/Organized Hope that keeps these people from taking action that could truly improve their lives and the world. It truly is the Opiate that keeps them enslaved.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 03:25 | 5143858 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Talk to some of the people here, JLee, Seek_Truth, Tall Tom and they have gone to extraordinary lengths to convince themselves that this invisible grey bearded skyman is real. These are not silly people, they seem well read, highly literate, reasonable human beings. But these holy books, the pull they have on people is deeply mysterious. I can only assume before holy books, it was holy rocks, holy gems holy sticks, holy suns, holy moons, holy animals. I think it is the human mind externalising their internal reality, in effect, making their internal universe real in the external world. In computer geek terms, instantiating their internal universe in the physical world.

Fascinating stuff and provides a powerful insight into the human mind. 

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 07:13 | 5144060 drdolittle
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Hey, I get it. I don't want to die either. I'd rather believe I can live forever in my current ego form in a special, perpetually happy, heavenly place. But I can't get myself to buy it. I tried to believe but it seems bad fantasy. As Carlin said, you'll spend eternity in a firey pit if you disobey-but he loves you. The bible is the literal word of God, written by men who have free will and edited by King James to suit his purposes. But, it's perfectly infallible. Too much of a sceptic for all that.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 19:06 | 5147029 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Why don't you want to die? You spent eternity not alive in the first place and I have never heard a single person complain how horrible not existing before birth was.

We are so complicated and we over complicate things obsessively. We live. We die. Justice as we define it is not meted out evenly or fairly.

The end.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 04:42 | 5143906 CuttingEdge
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+1000 Kirk



“It is convenient that there be gods, and, as it is convenient, let us believe there are.”

Ovid 43BC - 17AD


The promise of a wonderful next life (if they are good) to keep the masses grinding away at their current shitty one, rather than those masses putting their complete faith in their own ability and determination to make this one the best they can.

I will say though, that lure of 72 vestal virgins in the afterlife is a hell of a draw for any young bloke sitting on the fence about which one to commit himself to.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 08:25 | 5144195 drdolittle
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Although 72 virgins is a crapshoot and a lot of training. Give me 72 former whores (no stds in heaven after all). They'd rock your afterlife good.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 06:29 | 5143998 Winston Churchill
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All those people searching for something thats actually between their ears.

I did the same at one point, looking for something I was already carrying around

with me, on my travels.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 10:22 | 5144690 acetinker
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Winston 'gets it'.  Thank you, sir!

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 19:09 | 5147045 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Humans are comical. Talk about religion being one gigantic red herring.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 23:17 | 5147654 acetinker
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Some believe in God.  Others believe there is no God.  Most believe in some religion or another.  I can't say you're wrong just as I can't say you're right, and neither can you. ( I love fuckin wth atheists ).

Which is it?  Do you deny a power higher than yourself or do you declare that you, yourself are the higher power, capable of creating yourself?

Make a single blade of grass grow without benefit of soil, sun and God's benevolence, and I will join your team.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 04:59 | 5157440 BringOnTheAsteroid
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What the hell do you mean "make a blade of grass grow"?

If this is fucking with atheists you've got me.

Grow dammit, grow - nah, I give up, the seed won't do anything.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 20:33 | 5160985 acetinker
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I mean exactly what drives you idiot fucksticks crazy.  Plant the grass seed in youy bellly-button for all I care.  Become a lawn.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 09:09 | 5144361 luckystars
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Christian religion has been infiltrated by Jews. I sensed something was wrong as a child, which is why I never embraced it.

That however does not mean I have rejected God, just stay clear of their propaganda.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 09:38 | 5144484 BringOnTheAsteroid
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What's god?

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 09:51 | 5144530 luckystars
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Creator of all that you see and don't see.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 10:25 | 5144714 acetinker
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luckystars 'gets it', too!  Excellent!  Any more where you came from?

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 18:58 | 5146989 BringOnTheAsteroid
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How old are you children? I asked what is god, not what did god do. Fascinating how you jumped directly to the only thing you could possibly answer instead of saying, honestly, "I don't know what god is". Thank you for shedding yet more light on the human mind.

Couple of more questions.

If god is the supposed creator what's that got to do with us other than the fact we are here through no choice of our own?

If god is the supposed creator of everything we see and don't see what created god?

Why didn't the mighty all powerful create a world for us that was actually pleasan or is god some sado-masichistic asshole?

Why did god create tics, hookworms, lice, bot flies?

Do you love the thing that has created the conditions in which people suffer?

Stockholm syndrome anyone.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 23:10 | 5147779 acetinker
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It's not Stockholm sydrome, it's idiots who live within the US syndrome.  You have the mental capacity to grasp this bit of thought, but you choose not to do so.  This is on you, not me.


Tue, 08/26/2014 - 23:54 | 5147909 acetinker
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Was there some point in your life when you didn't have to compare the yin and the yang?

The good don't exist without the balance of the evil, you over-educated fuckstick!

I'll bet you'll score high on the negative (the evil you speak of) scale.

That was last century, but now we're entering a new phase.

It doesn't matter what you think of me, fuckstick.  You and your kind are irrelevant, so are Kissinger and his ilk.

Hide and watch and see if I'm not correct.

I know you don't think you align with Kissinger and Brzezenski, and that's what makes the irony so delicious!

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 12:34 | 5149581 LooseLee
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How True, Kirk! Well said!

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 22:58 | 5143416 himaroid
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I have been saying to get the hell out and let iran stomp isis ass.  BUT NO.......

The answer is: let Assad, the Iranians, the Turks, and, yes, the Russians take care of it, since they are the states directly threatened by the growth of the so-called Islamic State. Why should we fight their war for them?


....MIC can't sell weaponry to these countries, so we go the fuck back in.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 23:39 | 5143551 Four chan
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very well said i agree 100% let's butt the fuck out for once. take care of this messed up country.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 13:14 | 5145589 viahj
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but then Europe won't get that Qatari natgas pipeline!  and after the tradgedy of Ukraine, they're really going to need it!  /s

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 01:09 | 5148059 tvdog
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Let Israel take care of it. IS has already attacked Lebanon, and they control half of Syria. Let them get closer to Israel and see what happens.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 23:13 | 5143466 trulz4lulz
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9/11/14 MH370 DEFCON 1!!!!!! Whoot! Burn Books! Cover yer wymyns!

9/11 X 1000 Confirmed.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 23:13 | 5143467 loregnum
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isis is going to take over the U.S. just like al qaeda did since that was the lame shit being spewed forth for ten years before they decided AQ wasn't good enough as the boogeymen anymore. Oh wait, that didn't happen. Oops! Better to jsut recycle the same sorry ass idiotic propaganda to the 3 second attention span having sheeple than create something new.

The crap the sheeple will believe is mind boggling. 

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 23:20 | 5143488 MollyHacker
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coalition forces what; below the 38th parallel staging?

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 23:20 | 5143491 HUGE_Gamma
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Rand Paul 2016

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 23:26 | 5143511 John Wilmot
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Tue, 08/26/2014 - 00:01 | 5143513 nobodyimportant
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When elected first thing he did was go to Israel and kiss the Jews ass.  Ron Paul yes -- Rand Paul NO!


And I did not down vote you because I only give up votes if I agree -- otherwise no vote.  Everyone can have an opinion wheather right or wrong in the readers mind.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 09:57 | 5144558 Savyindallas
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Don't give up on Rand -yet. He may be playing a shrewd form of politics. He realizes that being his dad is good for about being 7% of the vote  -he doesn't want to be in the self righteous minority. It's his only chance. Of course, I may be wrong, but I will patiently await developments.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 00:46 | 5143704 Kirk2NCC1701
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Hell, at this point a Saddam/Kaddafi ticket is looking good.

It wouldn't be worse than what we got now and, who knows, they might even be better. Even in their present state.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 10:56 | 5144859 Farmer Joe in B...
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I hope Rand is cleverly positioning himself in the republican party because of the failures of his father to get taken seriously....

...only to unleash some libertarian fury once elected.

Too late to right the ship anyway, but it'd be about the best shot we've got at fixing this broken system....

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 23:25 | 5143504 John Wilmot
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Not stupidity, planning

US and allies (esp. Gulf Arabs and Israel) create new Sunni mujaheddin to overthrow Assad (thereby weakening Iran), and weaken Shiite Iraq (thereby weakening Iran), as a prelude to attacking Iran (which is the final piece in the puzzle for the War Party in the ME: which is really just a stepping stone to the big prize, Russia).

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 23:41 | 5143558 nobodyimportant
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Russia, aligned with China,  will be a hugh obstacle.  USSA might want to think twice about that.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 23:49 | 5143580 John Wilmot
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A wild animal is most dangerous when cornered.

Note the US anti-ballistic missile systems surrounding Russia...

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 04:50 | 5143910 BorisTheBlade
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US trying to weaken Iran will only weaken US further. And creating ISIS will backfire in more than one way. Iran only strengthened because US destroyed Iraqi state. It's the US trying to clean up its own mess, but the monsters it creates to fight monsters it created previously, become bigger and worse by the day. At some point they become too big to handle.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 05:12 | 5143931 Sandmann
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Iran has 80 million people. Taking on countries with big populations is not successful

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 23:24 | 5143505 rwe2late
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The terrorists are going to take over the US government!

The terrorists are going to take over the US government!

the terrorists are ...

... the ...


... never mind

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 23:31 | 5143522 alexcojones
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ISIS in Chicago? Not a bad idea.

Wonder who would "win?"

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 23:48 | 5143574 espirit
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Wall Street would win.

A lot of insurance policies, annuities, and pensions would be invalidated during an act of war.

Nuclear or otherwise.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 23:34 | 5143528 alexcojones
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You do know the Sears Tower would make an excellent target?

Address 233 Wacker Drive,

Zip 60606

Illuminati = ISIS

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 23:58 | 5143608 r00t61
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They changed the name to Willis Tower some years ago.

Though everyone I know that lives in the city still calls it Sears.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 09:06 | 5144339 luckystars
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I thought of that a few days ago, friendly mayor too. Isn't it owned by Silverstein?

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 23:43 | 5143564 fibonacci's claus
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Tue, 08/26/2014 - 00:08 | 5143638 nobodyimportant
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God- how I hate all capital letters!

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 07:17 | 5144064 August
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But at least he used paragraphs.

Still didn't read it, though.

Mon, 08/25/2014 - 23:51 | 5143587 pocomotion
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King of the Hill.  It's a kids game.  NOT!


I think we Americans need to see the euro financially collapse.  Then see the middle east stabilize and let Russia back off for 5 to 10 years.

Our Dollar will die without the above happening.  Believe me, the other team will NOT LET YOU KEEP YOUR HOUSE, CAR, MONEY, 2nd HOUSE, GUNS, precious metals, your wife nor your kids.

'Winner takes all....'  So, Adjust to what the game is and grow fruits and whatever you can.  No rules will apply if the game goes in the other teams favor.  Oh, ask yourself what team our leaders are on come election time.


Tue, 08/26/2014 - 00:01 | 5143616 SheHunter
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Not belittling the time and focus of your article but you use many many words to drive one point:  The MIC is in command.  It engineers, creates and designs ongoing conflicts and adores the ME as a center for military confrontation.  Dems, GOP, right, them what you will, war and the frictions needed to create war will continue until and unless the almighty MIC is be-headed.  Which likely will not happen in our lifetime so go take a hike with your dogs and kids.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 00:07 | 5143634 fibonacci's claus
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We could call it the ice bucket challenge and use real ISIS waterboarding water !!!

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 00:13 | 5143644 Quaderratic Probing
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Plan is right on Russia,India and China are getting cocky. The establishment of ultra right wing state right next door, who view all of them as not worthy in the eyes of the big guy. The great Satan is bad but far away.

EU has to tow the USA line too as they are too close.

So dont worry next 30 years are covered good guys profit bad guys get beat on.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 00:20 | 5143661 teslaberry
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this whole article likes to provide a pseudo comprehensive outlook on the u.s. involvement in the middle east without once mentioning the petrodollar, oil politics, and the great game of russian energy competition to supply europe with oil and gas. 


basically this article does a good job and fooling people into thinking it is worth a damn. it aint.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 00:38 | 5143689 pashley1411
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The Washington DC neo-Marxist regime believes in the power of class, money, and the inevitable march of history.

So the Washington neo-Marxist fail to understand, to the point of not seeing, cultural historical and tribal ties.    They think they can play the puppetier.   But they are the puppets.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 01:33 | 5143768 q99x2
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End the FED. If the SHTF immediately go after the wealthiest individuals on the planet and work down the ladder to bring them into custody and then trial. Problems, whether Ebola or ISIS, solved bitchez. Talking about maybe a hundred individuals at most here. No war. No pandemic. No hassle.If 7 billion people realize this long live the future. Monopolists and central planning be gone. There is way too much tech to continue to live the primitive way we have been forced to live in.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 06:05 | 5143970 Wahooo
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To start with the wealthiest in America and bring them to justice is VERY anti-semitic. Just saying. (However, a great idea.)

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 01:36 | 5143770 Grouchy Marx
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I think when the history of this time period is written, the one piece historians will have a difficult time understanding or explaining is how the stock market continued to make new highs during the collapse of civilization.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 01:51 | 5143771 Radical Marijuana
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U.S. Wants to Bomb ISIS In Syria ...

Maybe We Should (cough) First Stop ARMING THEM?

"U.S. foreign policy is schizophrenic."

Indeed, it is almost impossible to exaggerate the degree to which that is the REAL SITUATION! The question is WHY? Any article  regarding the alleged "Stupidity Of Washington" is using Hanlon's razor in a way that deliberately ignores the abundance of evidence that these policies were NOT due to incompetent stupidity, but rather, due to ulterior evil purposes. Deeper analysis attempts to understand the malice driving this superficially stupid foreign policy.

"Israel’s goal in the region has been to gin up as much conflict and chaos as possible, keeping its Islamic enemies divided, making it impossible for any credible challenge to arise among its Arab neighbors ..."

In my opinion, there is no reasonable doubt that the events on 9/11/2001 were an inside job, false flag attack, and I believe it was very probable that Zionists were behind that, in order to blame it on Muslims. In order to understand how it was possible for that false flag attack to become so successful, one has to look at a lot of historical facts, in which each dot of data can then be connected into an overall picture. The Anglo-American Empire is so dominated by Zionists that I tend to describe it as the Anglo-American (Zionist) Empire. In my view, that is the primary reason WHY "U.S. foreign policy is schizophrenic."

The basic social pyramid systems that surround us now are debt slavery backed by wars based on deceits. REMEMBER, THE "MONEY" BEING USED TO "PAY" FOR THOSE WARS IS BEING MADE OUT OF NOTHING AS DEBTS! That is the primary reason why "war is a racket, which benefits the banksters." The most tragic aspect of that is there is no reasonable doubt that is going to get WAY WORSE, while there are no politically practical ways to do anything to prevent that situation from automatically deteriorating, towards levels of psychotic insanities which we can not fully comprehend nor imagine!

Almost all the successful politicians are the banksters' puppets. The vast majority of the people receive the vast majority of their information from a handful of enormous media corporations. The social pyramid systems converge towards the pyramidion people, in which groups the frequencies of Zionists are so great that the administration of the American government blends in with Zionists, to overlap to a great degree. Furthermore, that appears to also be the case throughout most NATO countries, all of which are dominated by the same international banksters' systems, and all of which governments appear extremely unbalanced in similar ways that the governments in North America are.

I regard the basic mechanisms behind this as having been developing for thousands of years, through the history of warfare, in which success was based on backing up deceits with destruction, and spies were the most important soldiers. Nobody has a monopoly on the principles and methods of organized crime, however, different groups, in different times and places, become the best at implementing the techniques of organized crime, in order to be able to dominate the political processes, and capture control over governments.

The government of the USA has more and more been taken over by the international bankers, for at least a Century, while for several decades the government of the USA has more and more been developing a foreign policy that served those international bankers, in ways which largely overlapped with advancing the interests of Zionists. (Note, I am NOT arguing in favour of Islamic states, which I regard as just another kind of organized crime gang. Indeed, I regard these conflicts as between different kinds of competing, completely crazy, organized crime gangs.)

To be frank, I believe that society is already terminally screwed up, sick and insane, to a degree where there are no ways to imagine how it can recover. There is no practical political point in even bothering to state what I have stated above, while doing so is more probably going to backfire against me personally, rather than otherwise change anything politically significant. After spending thousands of hours attempting to figure out the "war on terror" from the perspective that the events on 9/11/2001 were an inside job, false flag attack, deliberately designed to get that "war on terror" going, and drive that to get a bad as it could possibly be made to do, what I currently expect is the overall strategy is to continue "arming, funding and training terrorists," enough to create conditions where it will become necessary to start to "bomb them later" with weapons of mass destruction, which will kill hundreds of millions, if not billions of people.

After thinking about this for quite a while, I find it impossible to avoid the conclusion that we are collectively doomed. Civilization is controlled by the people who were the best at being dishonest and backing that up with violence. The entire political economy is based on enforced frauds. The debt slavery backed by wars based on deceits has driven that debt slavery to develop numbers which have become debt insanities. There appears no practically possible ways to resolve that problem than for it to provoke death insanities.





Tue, 08/26/2014 - 01:54 | 5143786 George Washington
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Justin Raimondo is one of my favorite authors. So is David Stockman (Contra Corner Blog)...

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 01:56 | 5143791 bankonzhongguo
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The frightening thing is each one of these war theaters is a laboratory.

AfPak gave us UAVs and then armed drones with a major shift inside CIA to a more Pentagon driven organization.

This parallels intelligence services relying more upon electronic intel rather than human starting in the late 70s.

The problem with drones though is that they do not hold the ground.  They orbit, crews change, analysts and forward observers needs to go to Starbucks.

You will see armed ground drones deployed in this Iraq part deux.

"No boots on the ground," but I shit you not the program developed by DARPA, Google and every other armchair warrior will be converting 10,000 mothballed M113s into remote gun platforms that WILL HOLD GROUND and WAIT FOR WEEKS - or until the fuel runs out in standby mode.  And then it's 2 auto aimed head shot rounds for 1000 meters in any direction for every heat signature on the monitor in a air conditioned trailer in Anytown USA.

When a robot is in the field, everything through the gun-sight will look like a terrorist and no person is going to parachute in to add up the collateral damage.

Team Hillary will deploy a infinite azimuth warbot strategy.  Everyone is depending on it.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 01:25 | 5148082 tvdog
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That would solve the problem of Oath Keepers and other annoying people.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 02:50 | 5143831 Sandmann
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Taking over Qatar would solve a lot of problems all around. There are only 278,000 Qataris to deal with and then access to gas is guaranteed. Britain should remove the Al-Thani clique and take over the gas fields. Far better than wasting time fighting permanent war against Qatar sponsored terrorists

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 04:31 | 5143899 jballz
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Qatar works for the fifth fleet. It's a circle jerk don't you get it? They aren't sponsors they are middle management.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 06:47 | 5144032 dearth vader
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Qatar is only the minor partner in crime. What of the Saudis?

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 07:32 | 5144081 SmallerGovNow2
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What gives us or anyone else the right to "take over" any country?  It is our intervention that has caused MASSIVE problems across the globe...

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 04:28 | 5143898 jballz
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What is truly terrifying about all of this is that it is so transparent and blatant, and yet the entire establishment media manages to pretend any of the above is not fact on record.

Section 1033 NDAA specifies support for enemy combatants is a crime negating constitutional rights and warranting indefinite detention. Yet all of these groups are being funded and supported by the authors of that legislation.

I don't think their hullshit will fly much longer. The next snowden is going to be a very high ranking somebody and the shit is gonna hit the fan in this whole sick charade.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 04:45 | 5143904 hairInTheSoup
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this is not stupidity, it's design;

it looks like the author of the article doesn't know the adage :


don't listen to what they say, look at what they do.


(if he knew he wouldn't call that stupidity, but zionist machiavelism)

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 06:55 | 5144045 AnAnonymous
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The author is 'american'. He wants to be heard for what he says, not observed on what he does.

That is 'americanism'.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 07:05 | 5144054 Apostate2
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So do you moran.

I'm having a laugh,

At you.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 05:44 | 5143958 Global Observer
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Not sure why these analysts use the word 'stupid', when describing psychopaths. I suppose they wish to create a mystery where none exists and then discover the surprise ending!

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 06:08 | 5143973 hairInTheSoup
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either they don't get it, either they are part of the "pretend to fail" propaganda machine

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 06:54 | 5144043 AnAnonymous
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Terrorists taking over a government? That would make them no longer terrorists de facto. A terrorist faction leading a country? Where?

Putin's 'americanism' is showing.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 06:57 | 5144049 TheFourthStooge-ing
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A terrorist faction leading a country? Where?

Select any 'american' country. You can't go wrong.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 07:06 | 5144055 esum
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SUNNI VS SHIA... pass the popcorn

keep the eye in the sky open and drop 500 lb bombs when the occassion presents itself

kill the top muzzie pig from time to time

post it to utube

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 07:11 | 5144056 New American Re...
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Just what I posted yesterday, except this is short on the 3rd Saudi States history of Ikhwan (al Qaeda).  Yet this article misses the obvious conclusion (because no one has really thought this whole thing through).  The only hand the U.S. has left to play if we are going to win in the Middle East (now that we are up over our heads) is to INVADE SAUDI ARABIA.  They cause everything to happen and have us by the balls because they own the dollar and soon they will abandon it.   The only hand left to our government is to take over Saudi Arabia and by doing so, cut off al Qaeda and ISIS from their support.  It's the easiest military action to take; simple, clear, quick.  This will destory al Qaeda (IKHWAN) and ISIS and they will be done in 3 months.  Then we open the oil fields in the Eastern (Empty) Quarter and drop the price of oil as peace breaks out across the globe.,,  

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 07:15 | 5144063 'argar the 'orrible
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Good article, well written.

The best bit is at the end, stay out and keep out.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 08:03 | 5144125 luckystars
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The Jews are going crazy now. This is their first loss in over 100 yrs.

Crimea back to Russia, Russian fleet will have its own port in the black sea.

Nobody can pull Russia's strings threatening to cancel the lease as Ukraine has done in the past.

Next stop is Constantinople and the Russian fleet can go into the into the Mediterranean, this breaks the back of NATO.


that why all the frenzy and fear factory,

this is why Putin is seen as a hero by his people.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 08:13 | 5144157 Lea
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> "The Jews are going crazy now. This is their first loss in over 100 yrs."

Make that into "the WASP bankers are going crazy. This is their first loss in over 100 yrs".

> "Crimea back to Russia, Russian fleet will have its own port in the black sea."

What are you talking about? Russia has always owned the military port of Sevastopol. Even though it is situated in Crimea, it was always Russian territory. Nobody could have claimed otherwise.


Tue, 08/26/2014 - 08:22 | 5144183 luckystars
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In 1954 Khrushchev gave Crimea to Ukraine so that when Ukraine became independent it would become close to the West and the Russian fleet would be kicked out of the Black Sea. So the color revolution in Ukraine

Also when the US faked killed Bin Ladin in Pakistan the first thing the Pakistani PM did was to fly to China and Russia. China issued a statement "any attack on Pakistan will be considered an attack on China."

Look at the map, a straight line from China, through Russia to Pakistan and into the Indian Ocean without passing enemy territory.

All that is left for them in nuclear war and they are crazy enough to destroy the world for global domination.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 11:09 | 5144899 Lea
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You've got yourself all in a jumble.
> "In 1954 Khrushchev gave Crimea to Ukraine so that when Ukraine became independent it would become close to the West"

As the Soviet Union only fell in 1991, that would have meant Khrushchev, in 1954, had a darn good crystal ball.

> "So the color revolution in Ukraine."

Color revolution in Ukraine, 2004. From the Soviet Union of 1954 (a system nobody knew would not last) until 2004, that's 50 years.

That's Khrushchev's divining powers coupled with long-term planning for you.

> "stop lying, the bankers are jews and you know it".

Prove it. Links? and not to tinfoil-hat sites, please.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 08:22 | 5144187 luckystars
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stop lying, the bankers are jews and you know it.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 08:13 | 5144129 Lea
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It's not stupidity. They wanted to get themselves into Syria one way or another to topple Assad. IS, or whatever they call themselves today (seems to change all the time) provides the pretext.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 08:24 | 5144185 Son of Captain Nemo
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Both Hillary Clinton, then Secretary of State, and David Petraeus, who had yet to disgrace himself and was still CIA director lobbied for more support to the Syrian Rebels...

Hadn't disgraced himself yet?... Really????.... 

I'm certain ol' David P. (pre-marital infidelity) could tell us some great stories of his close personal friend "James Steele" who was inttrumental in capturing then releasing the likes of "Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi" turning him the "freedom fighter", among many other(s) in the Al Qaeda/FSA/ISIS factory the U.S. created...

I know.  Know /sarc tag reequired at this stage...

And why bother given the crimes and treason these guys have committed in their professional military careers?

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 08:25 | 5144193 luckystars
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Its the same playbook as using the Nazi's in Ukraine to topple the government,  once the job is done they  hope they kill eachother.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 11:11 | 5144894 ToNYC
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Rand Paul's challenge to Democrats to put up the Global Clinton State, War-Hawk Hillary...Priceless!

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 09:26 | 5144428 ToNYC
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IS IS an invention of the oil-dollar arms trade; as natural as a stick in your eye.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 10:02 | 5144590 roadhazard
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I love raghead on raghead violence. This is what these people do for a living so let them have there jobs. It's a win,win, win, win for white people.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 10:13 | 5144645 gallaghd5099
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History is written by revisionists and this is cetainly no exception. How do we forget! The Obama administration was condemned and vilified for not supporting the rebels in Syria. Remember McCain flying to Syria to support our brothers. Do you remember Obama stating repeatedly that it was not easy to find people we would actually want to arm? The Republicans called for us to intervene. 80% of Americans said no way. Putin stepped in and helped formulate a plan to get rid of the chemical weapons and we grabbed it. Obama was looking for a way to stay out and he found it. But the next several months the "pundits" called the president weak and the end of American power because we didn't intervene. Stating that the administration trained "at least one" of the ISIL fighters is hubris personified.

The Sunnis were armed years ago under Bush and when we started to leave Iraq Maliki pushed them into Syria where they fought Assad. Syria itself has 4 or 5 distinct cutures and religions that were kept in check by a secular strongman, can anybody say Hussein. A delicate balancing act in the best of situatons turned ugly fast as the groups took the opportunity to move against Assad. 

The Sunnis have for years suppressed the Shias and when the Shias fought back the Sunnis went native. If anyone does understand the behind the scenes money flows and arms movement then we would get a clearer picture of whose who. Right now the decision we have to make is does it really matter who we support. If we support Iraq and we demand a multii-ethnic government then we must somwhow cut a deal with Iran. Iran does not want a radical Sunni state on their borders and they have already shown they are willing to dump a Shia first government, see Maliki. This would obviously hurt our realtions with Saudi Arabia and several other kingdoms. But the reality is that their time probably has passed. 

The author rightly pointed out that the lines drawn in the sand 80 years ago by the British-French agreement is now irrevelant. Humpty Dumpty has fallen off the wall and all the kings men can't put it together again.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 10:45 | 5144811 lakecity55
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"Shit. We had Bin Laden on ice and we used him up. Who we got?"
"A US journalist. Had him on ice over a year, sir? Thaw him out?"
"Yeah. We gotta go into Syria. Orders."

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 11:16 | 5144915 SocialismIsCancer
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All you socialist populist fools are so obsessed with your anti-war propaganda, which is just a way of diverting attention from the greatest daily threat and oppression to the people who do the creating & earning, ie the socialst state, hypertaxation and exploding entitlement programs. So the power brokers will lead the USA into more wars, so what ? The entitlement proletariat won't be going, and they won't be paying for it, and all the military expenses will be very good for R&D and a great range of jobs in manufacturing, transport, etc. Rag head islamist vermin in the middle east will get killed, and that is good! Those primitives should all die because the human species cannot evolve to the next higher level so long as these primitives proliferate. So I say let's have continuous war and end all the entitlement program spending - anyone who wants/needs income can join the volunteer military or get a good-paying job in the highly productive war technology and manufacturing industries instead of being a parasite living off the productive people.

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