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It Begins: "Central Banks Should Hand Consumers Cash Directly"

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... A broad-based tax cut, for example, accommodated by a program of open-market purchases to alleviate any tendency for interest rates to increase, would almost certainly be an effective stimulant to consumption and hence to prices. Even if households decided not to increase consumption but instead re-balanced their portfolios by using their extra cash to acquire real and financial assets, the resulting increase in asset values would lower the cost of capital and improve the balance sheet positions of potential borrowers. A money-financed tax cut is essentially equivalent to Milton Friedman's famous "helicopter drop" of money

      - Ben Bernanke, Deflation: Making Sure "It" Doesn't Happen Here, November 21, 2002

A year ago, when it became abundantly clear that all of the Fed's attempts to boost the economy have failed, leading instead to a record divergence between the "1%" who were benefiting from the Fed's aritficial inflation of financial assets, and everyone else (a topic that would become one of the most discussed issues of 2014) and with no help coming from a hopelessly broken Congress (who can forget the infamous plea by a desperate Wall Street lobby-funding recipient "Get to work Mr. Chariman"), we wrote that "Bernanke's Helicopter Is Warming Up."

The reasoning was very simple: in a country (and world) drowning with debt, there are only two options to extinguish said debt: inflate it away or default. Anything else is kicking the can while making the problem even worse. Because while the Fed has been successful at recreating the world's biggest asset bubble (in history), it has failed to stimulate broad, "benign" demand-pull inflation as the trickle down effects of its "wealth effect" have failed to materialize 6 years after the launch of the Fed's unconventional monetary policies.

In other words, a world stuck in the last phase before complete Keynesian collapse, had no choice but to gamble "all in" with the last and only bluff it had left before admitting the economic system it had labored under, one which has borrowed so extensively from the future to fund the present that there is no future left, has failed.

The only question left was when would the trial balloons for such monetary paradrops start to emerge.

We now know the answer, and it is today.

Moments ago a stunning article appearing in the "Foreign Affairs" publication of the influential and policy-setting Council of Foreign Relations, titled "Print Less but Transfer More: Why Central Banks Should Give Money Directly to the People." 

In it we read the now conventional admission of failure by Keynesians, who however, unwilling to actually admit they have been wrong, urge the even more conventional solution: do more of the same that has lead to the current financial cataclysm, only in this case the authors advocate no longer pretending that the traditional monetary channels work but to, literally, paradrop money. To wit:

To some extent, low inflation reflects intense competition in an increasingly globalized economy. But it also occurs when people and businesses are too hesitant to spend their money, which keeps unemployment high and wage growth low. In the eurozone, inflation has recently dropped perilously close to zero. And some countries, such as Portugal and Spain, may already be experiencing deflation. At best, the current policies are not working; at worst, they will lead to further instability and prolonged stagnation.

 

Governments must do better. Rather than trying to spur private-sector spending through asset purchases or interest-rate changes, central banks, such as the Fed, should hand consumers cash directly. In practice, this policy could take the form of giving central banks the ability to hand their countries’ tax-paying households a certain amount of money. The government could distribute cash equally to all households or, even better, aim for the bottom 80 percent of households in terms of income. Targeting those who earn the least would have two primary benefits. For one thing, lower-income households are more prone to consume, so they would provide a greater boost to spending. For another, the policy would offset rising income inequality.

A third, and most important outcome, would be the one we have forecast from the beginning of this ridiculous central bank experiment: "hyperinflation" (which is not simply runaway inflation as it is often incorrectly designated -  it is outright evisceration of the prevailing monetary system), which has been avoided for now, but which is inevitable in a world in which only the wholesale destruction of the fiat reserve currency is the one option left to inflate away the debt overhang.

So without further ado, here is the first official trial balloon - the article that one day soon will be seen as the canary in the paradropmine, and the piece that will finally get the rotor of Bernanke's, now Yellen's infamous helicopter finally spinning. Highlights ours:

Print Less but Transfer More: Why Central Banks Should Give Money Directly to the People

From Foreign Affairs, by Mark Blyth and Eric Lonergan

In the decades following World War II, Japan’s economy grew so quickly and for so long that experts came to describe it as nothing short of miraculous. During the country’s last big boom, between 1986 and 1991, its economy expanded by nearly $1 trillion. But then, in a story with clear parallels for today, Japan’s asset bubble burst, and its markets went into a deep dive. Government debt ballooned, and annual growth slowed to less than one percent. By 1998, the economy was shrinking.

That December, a Princeton economics professor named Ben Bernanke argued that central bankers could still turn the country around. Japan was essentially suffering from a deficiency of demand: interest rates were already low, but consumers were not buying, firms were not borrowing, and investors were not betting. It was a self-fulfilling prophesy: pessimism about the economy was preventing a recovery. Bernanke argued that the Bank of Japan needed to act more aggressively and suggested it consider an unconventional approach: give Japanese households cash directly. Consumers could use the new windfalls to spend their way out of the recession, driving up demand and raising prices.

As Bernanke made clear, the concept was not new: in the 1930s, the British economist John Maynard Keynes proposed burying bottles of bank notes in old coal mines; once unearthed (like gold), the cash would create new wealth and spur spending. The conservative economist Milton Friedman also saw the appeal of direct money transfers, which he likened to dropping cash out of a helicopter. Japan never tried using them, however, and the country’s economy has never fully recovered. Between 1993 and 2003, Japan’s annual growth rates averaged less than one percent.

Today, most economists agree that like Japan in the late 1990s, the global economy is suffering from insufficient spending, a problem that stems from a larger failure of governance. Central banks, including the U.S. Federal Reserve, have taken aggressive action, consistently lowering interest rates such that today they hover near zero. They have also pumped trillions of dollars’ worth of new money into the financial system. Yet such policies have only fed a damaging cycle of booms and busts, warping incentives and distorting asset prices, and now economic growth is stagnating while inequality gets worse. It’s well past time, then, for U.S. policymakers -- as well as their counterparts in other developed countries -- to consider a version of Friedman’s helicopter drops. In the short term, such cash transfers could jump-start the economy. Over the long term, they could reduce dependence on the banking system for growth and reverse the trend of rising inequality. The transfers wouldn’t cause damaging inflation, and few doubt that they would work. The only real question is why no government has tried them.

EASY MONEY

In theory, governments can boost spending in two ways: through fiscal policies (such as lowering taxes or increasing government spending) or through monetary policies (such as reducing interest rates or increasing the money supply). But over the past few decades, policymakers in many countries have come to rely almost exclusively on the latter. The shift has occurred for a number of reasons. Particularly in the United States, partisan divides over fiscal policy have grown too wide to bridge, as the left and the right have waged bitter fights over whether to increase government spending or cut tax rates. More generally, tax rebates and stimulus packages tend to face greater political hurdles than monetary policy shifts. Presidents and prime ministers need approval from their legislatures to pass a budget; that takes time, and the resulting tax breaks and government investments often benefit powerful constituencies rather than the economy as a whole. Many central banks, by contrast, are politically independent and can cut interest rates with a single conference call. Moreover, there is simply no real consensus about how to use taxes or spending to efficiently stimulate the economy.

Steady growth from the late 1980s to the early years of this century seemed to vindicate this emphasis on monetary policy. The approach presented major drawbacks, however. Unlike fiscal policy, which directly affects spending, monetary policy operates in an indirect fashion. Low interest rates reduce the cost of borrowing and drive up the prices of stocks, bonds, and homes. But stimulating the economy in this way is expensive and inefficient, and can create dangerous bubbles -- in real estate, for example -- and encourage companies and households to take on dangerous levels of debt.

That is precisely what happened during Alan Greenspan’s tenure as Fed chair, from 1997 to 2006: Washington relied too heavily on monetary policy to increase spending. Commentators often blame Greenspan for sowing the seeds of the 2008 financial crisis by keeping interest rates too low during the early years of this century. But Greenspan’s approach was merely a reaction to Congress’ unwillingness to use its fiscal tools. Moreover, Greenspan was completely honest about what he was doing. In testimony to Congress in 2002, he explained how Fed policy was affecting ordinary Americans:

"Particularly important in buoying spending [are] the very low levels of mortgage interest rates, which [encourage] households to purchase homes, refinance debt and lower debt service burdens, and extract equity from homes to finance expenditures. Fixed mortgage rates remain at historically low levels and thus should continue to fuel reasonably strong housing demand and, through equity extraction, to support consumer spending as well."

Of course, Greenspan’s model crashed and burned spectacularly when the housing market imploded in 2008. Yet nothing has really changed since then. The United States merely patched its financial sector back together and resumed the same policies that created 30 years of financial bubbles. Consider what Bernanke, who came out of the academy to serve as Greenspan’s successor, did with his policy of “quantitative easing,” through which the Fed increased the money supply by purchasing billions of dollars’ worth of mortgage-backed securities and government bonds. Bernanke aimed to boost stock and bond prices in the same way that Greenspan had lifted home values. Their ends were ultimately the same: to increase consumer spending.

The overall effects of Bernanke’s policies have also been similar to those of Greenspan’s. Higher asset prices have encouraged a modest recovery in spending, but at great risk to the financial system and at a huge cost to taxpayers. Yet other governments have still followed Bernanke’s lead. Japan’s central bank, for example, has tried to use its own policy of quantitative easing to lift its stock market. So far, however, Tokyo’s efforts have failed to counteract the country’s chronic underconsumption. In the eurozone, the European Central Bank has attempted to increase incentives for spending by making its interest rates negative, charging commercial banks 0.1 percent to deposit cash. But there is little evidence that this policy has increased spending.

China is already struggling to cope with the consequences of similar policies, which it adopted in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis. To keep the country’s economy afloat, Beijing aggressively cut interest rates and gave banks the green light to hand out an unprecedented number of loans. The results were a dramatic rise in asset prices and substantial new borrowing by individuals and financial firms, which led to dangerous instability. Chinese policymakers are now trying to sustain overall spending while reducing debt and making prices more stable. Like other governments, Beijing seems short on ideas about just how to do this. It doesn’t want to keep loosening monetary policy. But it hasn’t yet found a different way forward.

The broader global economy, meanwhile, may have already entered a bond bubble and could soon witness a stock bubble. Housing markets around the world, from Tel Aviv to Toronto, have overheated. Many in the private sector don’t want to take out any more loans; they believe their debt levels are already too high. That’s especially bad news for central bankers: when households and businesses refuse to rapidly increase their borrowing, monetary policy can’t do much to increase their spending. Over the past 15 years, the world’s major central banks have expanded their balance sheets by around $6 trillion, primarily through quantitative easing and other so-called liquidity operations. Yet in much of the developed world, inflation has barely budged.

To some extent, low inflation reflects intense competition in an increasingly globalized economy. But it also occurs when people and businesses are too hesitant to spend their money, which keeps unemployment high and wage growth low. In the eurozone, inflation has recently dropped perilously close to zero. And some countries, such as Portugal and Spain, may already be experiencing deflation. At best, the current policies are not working; at worst, they will lead to further instability and prolonged stagnation.

MAKE IT RAIN

Governments must do better. Rather than trying to spur private-sector spending through asset purchases or interest-rate changes, central banks, such as the Fed, should hand consumers cash directly. In practice, this policy could take the form of giving central banks the ability to hand their countries’ tax-paying households a certain amount of money. The government could distribute cash equally to all households or, even better, aim for the bottom 80 percent of households in terms of income. Targeting those who earn the least would have two primary benefits. For one thing, lower-income households are more prone to consume, so they would provide a greater boost to spending. For another, the policy would offset rising income inequality.

Such an approach would represent the first significant innovation in monetary policy since the inception of central banking, yet it would not be a radical departure from the status quo. Most citizens already trust their central banks to manipulate interest rates. And rate changes are just as redistributive as cash transfers. When interest rates go down, for example, those borrowing at adjustable rates end up benefiting, whereas those who save -- and thus depend more on interest income -- lose out.

Most economists agree that cash transfers from a central bank would stimulate demand. But policymakers nonetheless continue to resist the notion. In a 2012 speech, Mervyn King, then governor of the Bank of England, argued that transfers technically counted as fiscal policy, which falls outside the purview of central bankers, a view that his Japanese counterpart, Haruhiko Kuroda, echoed this past March. Such arguments, however, are merely semantic. Distinctions between monetary and fiscal policies are a function of what governments ask their central banks to do. In other words, cash transfers would become a tool of monetary policy as soon as the banks began using them.

Other critics warn that such helicopter drops could cause inflation. The transfers, however, would be a flexible tool. Central bankers could ramp them up whenever they saw fit and raise interest rates to offset any inflationary effects, although they probably wouldn’t have to do the latter: in recent years, low inflation rates have proved remarkably resilient, even following round after round of quantitative easing. Three trends explain why. First, technological innovation has driven down consumer prices and globalization has kept wages from rising. Second, the recurring financial panics of the past few decades have encouraged many lower-income economies to increase savings -- in the form of currency reserves -- as a form of insurance. That means they have been spending far less than they could, starving their economies of investments in such areas as infrastructure and defense, which would provide employment and drive up prices. Finally, throughout the developed world, increased life expectancies have led some private citizens to focus on saving for the longer term (think Japan). As a result, middle-aged adults and the elderly have started spending less on goods and services. These structural roots of today’s low inflation will only strengthen in the coming years, as global competition intensifies, fears of financial crises persist, and populations in Europe and the United States continue to age. If anything, policymakers should be more worried about deflation, which is already troubling the eurozone.

There is no need, then, for central banks to abandon their traditional focus on keeping demand high and inflation on target. Cash transfers stand a better chance of achieving those goals than do interest-rate shifts and quantitative easing, and at a much lower cost. Because they are more efficient, helicopter drops would require the banks to print much less money. By depositing the funds directly into millions of individual accounts -- spurring spending immediately -- central bankers wouldn’t need to print quantities of money equivalent to 20 percent of GDP.

The transfers’ overall impact would depend on their so-called fiscal multiplier, which measures how much GDP would rise for every $100 transferred. In the United States, the tax rebates provided by the Economic Stimulus Act of 2008, which amounted to roughly one percent of GDP, can serve as a useful guide: they are estimated to have had a multiplier of around 1.3. That means that an infusion of cash equivalent to two percent of GDP would likely grow the economy by about 2.6 percent. Transfers on that scale -- less than five percent of GDP -- would probably suffice to generate economic growth.

LET THEM HAVE CASH

Using cash transfers, central banks could boost spending without assuming the risks of keeping interest rates low. But transfers would only marginally address growing income inequality, another major threat to economic growth over the long term. In the past three decades, the wages of the bottom 40 percent of earners in developed countries have stagnated, while the very top earners have seen their incomes soar. The Bank of England estimates that the richest five percent of British households now own 40 percent of the total wealth of the United Kingdom -- a phenomenon now common across the developed world.

To reduce the gap between rich and poor, the French economist Thomas Piketty and others have proposed a global tax on wealth. But such a policy would be impractical. For one thing, the wealthy would probably use their political influence and financial resources to oppose the tax or avoid paying it. Around $29 trillion in offshore assets already lies beyond the reach of state treasuries, and the new tax would only add to that pile. In addition, the majority of the people who would likely have to pay -- the top ten percent of earners -- are not all that rich. Typically, the majority of households in the highest income tax brackets are upper-middle class, not superwealthy. Further burdening this group would be a hard sell politically and, as France’s recent budget problems demonstrate, would yield little financial benefit. Finally, taxes on capital would discourage private investment and innovation.

There is another way: instead of trying to drag down the top, governments could boost the bottom. Central banks could issue debt and use the proceeds to invest in a global equity index, a bundle of diverse investments with a value that rises and falls with the market, which they could hold in sovereign wealth funds. The Bank of England, the European Central Bank, and the Federal Reserve already own assets in excess of 20 percent of their countries’ GDPs, so there is no reason why they could not invest those assets in global equities on behalf of their citizens. After around 15 years, the funds could distribute their equity holdings to the lowest-earning 80 percent of taxpayers. The payments could be made to tax-exempt individual savings accounts, and governments could place simple constraints on how the capital could be used.

For example, beneficiaries could be required to retain the funds as savings or to use them to finance their education, pay off debts, start a business, or invest in a home. Such restrictions would encourage the recipients to think of the transfers as investments in the future rather than as lottery winnings. The goal, moreover, would be to increase wealth at the bottom end of the income distribution over the long run, which would do much to lower inequality.

Best of all, the system would be self-financing. Most governments can now issue debt at a real interest rate of close to zero. If they raised capital that way or liquidated the assets they currently possess, they could enjoy a five percent real rate of return -- a conservative estimate, given historical returns and current valuations. Thanks to the effect of compound interest, the profits from these funds could amount to around a 100 percent capital gain after just 15 years. Say a government issued debt equivalent to 20 percent of GDP at a real interest rate of zero and then invested the capital in an index of global equities. After 15 years, it could repay the debt generated and also transfer the excess capital to households. This is not alchemy. It’s a policy that would make the so-called equity risk premium -- the excess return that investors receive in exchange for putting their capital at risk -- work for everyone.

MO' MONEY, FEWER PROBLEMS

As things currently stand, the prevailing monetary policies have gone almost completely unchallenged, with the exception of proposals by Keynesian economists such as Lawrence Summers and Paul Krugman, who have called for government-financed spending on infrastructure and research. Such investments, the reasoning goes, would create jobs while making the United States more competitive. And now seems like the perfect time to raise the funds to pay for such work: governments can borrow for ten years at real interest rates of close to zero.

The problem with these proposals is that infrastructure spending takes too long to revive an ailing economy. In the United Kingdom, for example, policymakers have taken years to reach an agreement on building the high-speed rail project known as HS2 and an equally long time to settle on a plan to add a third runway at London’s Heathrow Airport. Such large, long-term investments are needed. But they shouldn’t be rushed. Just ask Berliners about the unnecessary new airport that the German government is building for over $5 billion, and which is now some five years behind schedule. Governments should thus continue to invest in infrastructure and research, but when facing insufficient demand, they should tackle the spending problem quickly and directly.

If cash transfers represent such a sure thing, then why has no one tried them? The answer, in part, comes down to an accident of history: central banks were not designed to manage spending. The first central banks, many of which were founded in the late nineteenth century, were designed to carry out a few basic functions: issue currency, provide liquidity to the government bond market, and mitigate banking panics. They mainly engaged in so-called open-market operations -- essentially, the purchase and sale of government bonds -- which provided banks with liquidity and determined the rate of interest in money markets. Quantitative easing, the latest variant of that bond-buying function, proved capable of stabilizing money markets in 2009, but at too high a cost considering what little growth it achieved.

A second factor explaining the persistence of the old way of doing business involves central banks’ balance sheets. Conventional accounting treats money -- bank notes and reserves -- as a liability. So if one of these banks were to issue cash transfers in excess of its assets, it could technically have a negative net worth. Yet it makes no sense to worry about the solvency of central banks: after all, they can always print  more money.

The most powerful sources of resistance to cash transfers are political and ideological. In the United States, for example, the Fed is extremely resistant to legislative changes affecting monetary policy for fear of congressional actions that would limit its freedom of action in a future crisis (such as preventing it from bailing out foreign banks). Moreover, many American conservatives consider cash transfers to be socialist handouts. In Europe, which one might think would provide more fertile ground for such transfers, the German fear of inflation that led the European Central Bank to hike rates in 2011, in the middle of the greatest recession since the 1930s, suggests that ideological resistance can be found there, too.

Those who don’t like the idea of cash giveaways, however, should imagine that poor households received an unanticipated inheritance or tax rebate. An inheritance is a wealth transfer that has not been earned by the recipient, and its timing and amount lie outside the beneficiary’s control. Although the gift may come from a family member, in financial terms, it’s the same as a direct money transfer from the government. Poor people, of course, rarely have rich relatives and so rarely get inheritances -- but under the plan being proposed here, they would, every time it looked as though their country was at risk of entering a recession.

Unless one subscribes to the view that recessions are either therapeutic or deserved, there is no reason governments should not try to end them if they can, and cash transfers are a uniquely effective way of doing so. For one thing, they would quickly increase spending, and central banks could implement them instantaneously, unlike infrastructure spending or changes to the tax code, which typically require legislation. And in contrast to interest-rate cuts, cash transfers would affect demand directly, without the side effects of distorting financial markets and asset prices. They would also would help address inequality -- without skinning the rich.

Ideology aside, the main barriers to implementing this policy are surmountable. And the time is long past for this kind of innovation. Central banks are now trying to run twenty-first-century economies with a set of policy tools invented over a century ago. By relying too heavily on those tactics, they have ended up embracing policies with perverse consequences and poor payoffs. All it will take to change course is the courage, brains, and leadership to try something new.

 

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Tue, 08/26/2014 - 11:48 | 5145062 Wait What
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deflation is already returning... has anyone been watching oil/gas prices?

"get to da choppa!"

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 11:50 | 5145070 kaiserhoff
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Why the Hell not?  It's working so well in Ferguson.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 11:52 | 5145081 nope-1004
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Meanwhile insiders are scooping up all the PM's at rock bottom prices.  lol.  The definition of deflation is purchasing power increasing, which isn't happening and WILL NOT happen with chopper drops of cash.

Trust the bankers at your own peril.

 

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 11:56 | 5145119 NotApplicable
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This article requires at least a two drink minimum.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 11:56 | 5145122 A Lunatic
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Make mine a double double.......

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 11:58 | 5145131 y3maxx
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...Comng soon...Nobel Peace Prize in Economics for Obama.

sarc off

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 12:01 | 5145152 y3maxx
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...This helicopter cash drop is the only way to delay WW 3

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 12:09 | 5145197 ejmoosa
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Why do you think they want to delay it?

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 12:11 | 5145214 linniepar
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It will only go to debt reduction, and in my case, Au and Ag.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 12:15 | 5145249 Yes We Can. But...
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Why not save paper and just cut the tax rate to zero? Except for the rich - you know, those making over $50k/annum.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 12:38 | 5145394 Latina Lover
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Does this mean that even the little people become their own banksters? Talk about co-opting opposition. If you can't beat them, force them to join.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 12:47 | 5145470 InjectTheVenom
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Weimar anyone ? !

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 12:53 | 5145497 Pinto Currency
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Something from nothing.

Seems like a sensible plan.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 13:12 | 5145580 clooney_art
Tue, 08/26/2014 - 13:18 | 5145602 SamAdams
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This isn't the first time.  ANYONE REMEMBER THE BABY BUSH STIMULUS?  C'mon, it wasn't that long ago...

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 13:35 | 5145682 Four chan
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cfr = new world order    their fangs in america's throat since the 70's

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 13:41 | 5145708 whstlblwr
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The problem, Blyth, is this shit is only temporary. It doesn't create real demand. Give me another shot of heroin and make it a bigger dose. We need to clear out the system. You academics are fucking things worse.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 13:52 | 5145769 Publicus
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I'm in!

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 14:13 | 5145868 SoilMyselfRotten
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Look up what Aaron Russo had to say about the CFR(Hint: Buy stock in RFID chips). TPTB are going to use that group to push their agenda and it ain't gonna be good.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 15:49 | 5146287 toxic8
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We gettin PAID, bitchez!!!

CHALLAH!

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 17:35 | 5146733 giggler321
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Ahh those "It Begins:" posts on ZH.  There are 2many of them to consider them anything more than any other post

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 19:57 | 5147187 markelshark
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lol, I thought the same thing. Google "zerohedge.com "it begins"" and you get 27,500 results

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 20:33 | 5147271 Manthong
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Another credit event

Or…  Jubilee Bitchez 

 

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 23:57 | 5147922 Drunk In Church
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I believe in free money.  I also believe in socialized medicine.  I hate paying bills.  Everything should be free.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 00:25 | 5147982 AldousHuxley
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BUT what you are getting in USA is socialized medicine quality for free market prices for an industry that is a natural monopoly.

unless you are part of 0.1% that can pay for harvard medical private practice doctor in your 90s...

 

also let more people become doctors. poor americans shopping at walmart don't need validictorians providing medical service... Salutatorians will do just fine...except medical industry restricts labor supply to keep the salaries high.

 

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 01:49 | 5148120 AldousHuxley
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To give FED some credit, they have complained that CONgress is relying on only monetary policy without touching the fiscal policy.

 

Government can give money back to by cutting income taxes to match that of capital gains taxes.

Federal + state + FICA should be at most = 15% capital gains tax.....

 

imagine that....less government pork, thousands of dollars in your pocket

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 05:32 | 5148262 Welder
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Way way earlier. Civil War ?

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 13:37 | 5145694 Zigs
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Just for perspective, that was worth about 2 months QE.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 18:58 | 5147000 bonderøven-farm ass
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This isn't going to end well........

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 19:24 | 5147050 JuliaS
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Baby bush stimulis - sure. Direct bailout to bonds, bonds to fed, fed to cash with interest and interst back into inflation, taxes and overall reduction of purchasing power, plus the salaries of all the bureaucrats who came up with the wonderful plan. Mission accomplished!

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 03:49 | 5148216 7.62x54r
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I bought a broomhandle mauser and a bottle of 40 oz malt with my Bush stimulus check.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 14:07 | 5145848 JRobby
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Well certainly. A big part of aspiring to "elected" office is to the opportunity "to be corrupted" 

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 13:17 | 5145607 kaiserhoff
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...and chicks for free...

I'm in;)

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 15:28 | 5145855 Pure Evil
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I think the only thing they're really admitting to here is that no jobs are coming back and when both the Atlantic and Pacific trade pacts are passed even more jobs will be heading overseas.

So, the only thing left is to make everyone without a job a government employee, or put them on expanded welfare, or just give them money to spend.

Your job as a government employee is now to shop till you drop. Shouldn't be too difficult a move for the female race.

The other aspect is to make everything you purchase a consumable in the same sense that food is consumable. In this case when you purchase something instead of buying and taking it home for life of the product, which is normally until it breaks. The product you want is leased for a number of years like a car or truck. At the end of its lease term you trade it in for a new model. The old model gets recycled or sold overseas to some third world country.

A lot of people trade in their cell phones after a year or two, same with laptops, so why not do the same with TV's, appliances, furniture, computers, electronics, housing, and clothing.

Just giving money to people to spend won't really work. How many cars can you fit in your garage and driveway? How many washer/dryers can you buy or Flat Screens can you find a place for in your home. Once you accumulate a certain amount of junk in your house you generally cut back on buying new things. This way you can buy new things every few years and recycle all your old stuff and keep the world economy going.

You could make it such that you force people to lease a new home every five years while the old homes are dismantled and new homes built in their place for new owners.

Sounds like a load of crock. But if you want people to endlessly consume then then only incentive is to force them to buy new things every one to two to three to five years. You can do it with planned obsolescence or you can make it such that everything you buy except foodstuffs is leased like a car forcing the owner to turn it over every few years.

Of course they would have to get rid of all income taxes to encourage people to spend all their money and they would only need a national/state/local sales tax.

In fact, like all government bureaucracies you would be required to spend every last cent to get an increase in your budget for the next year. So, once your turn fourteen or so, you start receiving money in an account that your required to spend. Every year your government salary is increased until age 70 or so, and the only requirement is that you spend all the money in the account every year. Your not allowed to live beyond your means, or government stipend, because you would not be allowed to borrow money privately. If you want extra income then you can invest in the stock or bond market, but there's no need for savings since the government gives you a yearly salary.

You start off making a few thousand a year and as you age your government salary grows allowing you to consume more expensive items. Of course there's a lot of things that need to be ironed out. There would probably different tiered levels of government salaries. We would still need people to be doctors and lawyers and such. Those that justed wanted to live day to day would make a basic salary. Those that were chosen to go to school and become the upper echelon would receive free training in medical school and such and higher salaries, while those chosen to be the benevolent dictators, or government workers would receive even higher salaries just like they do today. A lot would depend on IQ and placement tests.

Basically we turn into the equivalent of Saudi Arabia where we bring in 3rd worlders to do our low level jobs and along with robotics to do practically everything else we would become fat, dumb, and endlessly happly like the turds on that ship in the movie Wall-E.

Or, some of our other choices would to become like N. Korea, Venezuela, Cuba, or some other 3rd world rat hole. We're already heading in this direction and it seems our government minders are more interested in shipping more of our jobs overseas than trying to see that their own citizens become educated, employed, and members of a productive society.

Look, they're only training the lower class for this type of society with EBT cards, welfare and such. Its coming. They're aren't enough jobs for everyone unless they impose trade barriers with everyone and force the corporations to bring all the jobs back that were sent overseas. We all know that's not gonna happen, so what other options do you think is available? Were starting to look like Cuba, Venezuela, and Brazil with the vast majority of the population poor while the upper class lives in gated communities with their own private police forces.

I'm no socialist utopian but if you can't see the writing on the wall this article from the CFR should open your eyes to whats coming.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 15:30 | 5146212 hardmedicine
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I really don't care about money!!!  They can go and shove their money up their ass.  What I care about is that they are sending all our jobs and skills overseas or giving them to H1Bs

 

It is DISGUSTING!!  They are opening a lot of new dental and medical schools!  hahahaha... I had to laugh.  The poor little med student i talked to last weekend in her last year of med school was in to the tune of 300K in debt.  Oh SURE they need more doctors. hahah.... AND..... get this...... YOU NO LONGER NEED TO BE A CITIZEN TO GET A MEDICAL OR DENTAL LICCENSE HERE IN THIS COUNTRY.  Oh no.!  You just have to pass the tests.  The Supreme Court saw to that in 2012.  LOL.

No No, I'm not kidding you.  This is going FULL RETARD all the way now.  I just can't watch anymore.  I can't wait to get out of here.  We have a place in the country with a network.. just a few more years.... or not.  It may not be a choice soon...... may be forced to leave.  FULL RESET.  That's where this is headed.  Each time I think they can drag this out to infinity I see an article like this. 

 

 

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 16:17 | 5146232 whstlblwr
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@Pure Evil

I see, it's not a bigger dose of heroin, but a slow drip. Just enough to keep us and them happy in our prison.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 16:18 | 5146399 SAT 800
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You don't have enough experience with Heroin. You accomadate to it; pretty quickly; say a week; well, I'm an old junkie, maybe it'd take you a month, and then the daily dose doesn't do anything. Nothing. all it does is keep you from getting junk sick, (withdrawals). You have to take "extra" doses to "party", to "get high"; your maintenance dose just keeps you "normal". For real, this is how it works. I had a girlfriend once who said, "Heroin would be the perfect drug if you could just take it on t he weekend". True, dat; but that's not the way it works.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 16:43 | 5146482 whstlblwr
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Then it's the perfect analogy. It would be a slow drip with an incremental increase (to account for the inflation high).

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 19:29 | 5147119 buyingsterling
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I prefer it drip on me than flow to the banks directly.

The writers aren't austrians, but they do see some of the problems fairly dlearly, so from a keynesian perspective, their 'solution' isn't bad, and better than what we'red oing now, since main st. isn't seeing any of it. But I hate their idea of only sending it to the bottom 80% - the top 20% pay most of the inocme taxes. Base it on SS tax contributions or something. 

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 00:04 | 5147939 whstlblwr
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That's a pathetic answer. What the fuck? how long have you been here? You prefer the drug, keep you going even if you're a fuckin zombie.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 00:48 | 5148020 CheapBastard
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<< So, the only thing left is to make everyone without a job a government employee, or put them on expanded welfare, or just give them money to spend. >>

I’ll take, “C” … just give me money to spend.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 02:02 | 5148138 AldousHuxley
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only way to get richer is either through selling commodities provided by mother earth (ie. OIL) or increase in productivity through innovation. TECHNOLOGY

 

Invest in R&D. Not sales & marketing, not government bridge to nowhere infrastructure, not liberal artsy fartsy, and definitely not increased welfare which is just more inflation and subsidy to consumer goods industries.

One of the authors is Eric Lonergan, who is a hedge fund manager with bets in place in certain sectors.

 

Give poor morons more cash and you will have billionare rappers and more McDonald's fake food.

 

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 22:16 | 5147600 fzrkid
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Not sure about that. My wife passed the FPGE and is still required to work 1500hrs as an intern.

 

Shit problem is no pharmacies will hire foreign pharmacy graduates as interns.

 

We are packing up and moving to Singapore where there are many job opportuinities and they are exapdning the island with reclaim to accomodate the growth.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 02:05 | 5148143 AldousHuxley
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we have vending machines that can do your wife's job. 

 

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 01:50 | 5148114 Ward no. 6
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rubbish everyone cares about money...

some of us work hard and don't get rewarded

the place i work at has not given us a raise this year and they profited immensely last year.

Sick of this shit.

 

 

 

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 02:06 | 5148144 AldousHuxley
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doesn't work that way.

It is RISK vs REWARD....not EFFORT vs REWARD....which is typical prole mentality

 

 

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 17:09 | 5146615 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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THIS ARTICLE IS UN-FRIGGIN BELIEVABLE ON SO MANY LEVELS.

First is the source, the Council on Foreign Relations. I mean that is the top of the top. That they allowed something like this to run says a whole lot.

Second is what the article says. Money is no longer a token representing productive work of any kind. Of course final demand is sinking, because we've had an orgy of debt for 30+ years. Recall what debt does: moves future demand into the present. I want to buy that big screen TV but I would have to save for two years; if I borrow however I can have it today. If debt had been used to fund productive assets (factories, highways, airports, inventions) that would be one thing but it's been used to fund consumption (super-sized fries, trips to the Caribbean, Kardashian t-shirts).

So here we are and every single Power That Be is running full-speed to the debt cliff. Desperately trying to pump inflation, where they just steal little by little as opposed to all at once. Now this proposal to completely unhinge money itself from its intended function: to represent goods and services and productive work.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 23:51 | 5147901 MontgomeryScott
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HAL! Can you hear me?

(Yes, Dave, I hear you.)

HAL, do you know the first primal rule that can never be broken by humans who wish to be Lords and Masters?

(No, Dave, my memory banks don't recognize this question. I have tried to collate the words as you give them to me, but am failing to find a logical sequence.)

HAL, do you understand the question?

(Of course, Dave.)

If I told you that the people; the humans who wish to be thought of as 'gods'; had a tribal 'rule' that they could never take actions without informing everyone: If I told you that they always 'telegraph their punches', how would you respond?

(Should I think of this as a game, like 'Chess', Dave?)

 

Stanley Kubrick would have an absolute FIELD DAY!

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 00:00 | 5147934 The_Prisoner
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Great work, Mr Scott

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 00:50 | 5148024 MontgomeryScott
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"The Prisoner" was an intriguing BBC teleplay series; back in the day; as I recall. It outlined the post-Nazi 'Operation Paperclip' experiments (on both sides of The Pond) in a warm and fuzzy world of post-WWII MSM fantasy that is now lost on the generations that think they know 'shit' (which is exactly what they actually KNOW).

I'm not actually worthy of your praise; but thanks for your kindness.

 

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 01:03 | 5148047 The_Prisoner
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You are welcome, sir.

I was put on to 'The Prisoner' by another ZH'er and while watching it hit me as excedingly prescient in outlining the plot of global government and its mechanisms in detail, even in 1967.

The author even gave us his idea of how the system can be dealt with and defeated: By the INDIVIDUAL's unrelenting resistance.

Interestingly, in the US remake of the show in 2009, the ending has the individual surrendering. so, there...

All you need is love, bitches!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0NPodmP3TU

 

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 04:59 | 5148251 aleph0
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@The Prisoner .... was Way ahead of it's time.

Patrick McGoohan played his role brilliantly.
A great loss - RIP.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 08:34 | 5148503 Reci
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Any Chance that the people who don't work will be required to do ANYTHING to receive this moronic giveaway of money?  Clean up their neighborhood, dig and fill a hole or maybe just walk a mile or would this lessen the amount of payouts by too much and not have it's intended effect on the short term economy?  Oh, and working to have another baby with your also unemployed partner shouldn't count as "payable work" either!

edit: This is not where I replied but Oh Well.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 17:40 | 5146765 Dugald
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Americans think of your country, think not of yourselves.....

                              EAT YOURSELVES TO DEATH

 

Ah, yes, Hmmmm......... Well,  just Carry on America

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 18:26 | 5146916 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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OK I'm following along w/the premise, i.e. a bit like Saudi Arabia. However, even the Saudis have something valuable to exchange to get that money in the first place (oil). We still manage to produce some valuable stuff, but not so perfectly indispensable that the world won't eventually find a way to bypass us (even if it is somewhat difficult for them). Wall-E was cute, but seems only the little robots were smart enough to actually handle life. The fat ass humans were too weak and stupid to cope w/a real situation, which I suppose is the whole point of the story.

I'd see us turning out perhaps a bit like the old East Germany: not really 3rd world, but tight border controls, militaristic, angry, secretly looking for cool imports for the nomenklatura. I guess we'll all be driving the newest Ford "Trabants" in the near future...

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 20:23 | 5147255 Zeena
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"Shouldn't be too difficult a move for the female race."

WTF does that mean? What is a female race? 

<SMH>...you bought it, Pure Evil, H, L & S.

 

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 00:14 | 5147961 Miffed Microbio...
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With all the prospective and opinion here being put forth and you focus on that? Sad really. I guess Pure Evil flunked sensitivity training.

Miffed;-)

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 12:20 | 5149491 Zeena
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I only focus on that as it's the first thing flawed in such a magnificient manner as to be condemniing of the entire post by highlighting the posters true, underlying, neanderthalic my-mommy-didn't-love-me-enough denial of his own obviously repressed affection for his fellow man-members. Posts that begin with such idiocy should be auto-deducted from any serious contemplation regardless of the merit of the copied-and-pasted arguments or talking points that may follow, for the taint is not in the content, but in the creator.

What is sad, really, dear Miffed, is that the "female race" idea is simply another divide and conquer tactic, used to much success, and bought, hook, line, and sinker by the macho-libre knuckle dragger crowd - many of who seem to gravitate to places such as ZH so they can swing their dicks around like some delusional porn star wanna-be lead in an adult Lord of the Flies remake.

To wit - WHY THE F is Hillary a serious contender for the POTUS? Really? The mousy wife of an ex-prez is the best we can present as a serious option? The division runs deep, is genetically coded, and in certain cases (mostly involving dinosaurs and flying saucers) could mean survival. It's a perfect perforation for exploitation by the PTB.

 

Geez. Wake up, boys.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 13:10 | 5149756 Miffed Microbio...
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It is only divide and conquer if you allow it to be so. I focus on character and intimate meaning of a post and ignore " divisive" words. If men wish to wave and stroke their cocks in some masculine revelry here it doesn't bother me in the least. That is their male bonding way and if it irritates me, I should either leave or discover why it is troubling me.

Anytime one is bothered by anything, the reality is there is something in you that needs to be addressed. The outside input is simply the catalyst. You are the only one in control of your feeling and emotions. I know this concept is difficult for women today who have primarily been indoctrinated their feelings are of prime importance and men today are the source of all their hurt feelings and societal ills. If you take the time to explore people's point of view and not make snap judgements you may be shocked to find out over time the depth of caring, intelligence and perspective of those you write off so flippantly. But this does take patience, empathy and a willingness to look beneath facades.

Miffed;-)

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 17:51 | 5151371 Zeena
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A reasoned and well thought out response. How novel!

Enjoy your posts, Miffed. But the psycho-babble in this one is a bit much, even for a woman here in the man-cave of ZH. Jes sayin. 

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 00:27 | 5152606 Miffed Microbio...
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I am normally a shy and reclusive individual. When I do interact with others, it is always in polite and gentle terms ( unless there are reasons to be otherwise). So when I first came here I was taken aback by the language and vehemence shown to others. But I realized I must abide by the rules of fight club if I chose to participate. Yes, I was handed my ass many times but over time I gained respect. Probably just for stubbornly hanging on. I started to notice some of my detractors would give me an occational hat tip or acknowledge a valid point. I always tried to take my criticism as well as praise with equal grace.

Fwiw, I advise you to stick with arguing facts and ignore personal attacks and language. Men simply don't respect personal offence. It is a sign of weakness and they will write you off. Yes, it is a man cave which means some brutal behavior will emerge but where else in our society are they allowed to do this? May be a locker room? Certainly not in the modern day corporate world. I say let them have a place where they can blow off some steam and connect to others.

There are many long term female posters that have been here longer than I that are very respected so don't be tempted to brand some as misogynists. You may be surprised to find the ones that disturb you the most may show a brief glimmer of tragedy and sadness in their lives. Men show anger often when they are depressed. I have found a gentle hand often soothes the wrath and you may witness something quite surprising behind the curtain. Good luck and have an adventure.

Miffed;-)

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 12:00 | 5154040 Zeena
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Thanks for the kind reply. In real life, if men behaved this way, I'd be the one handing their ass to them. Here behind the keyboard, perhaps the social reservation impulse is forgotten/repressed, providing a necessary outlet for male aggression. I'll keep your sage advice in mind and endeavour to overlook the "boy's club" atmosphere. There are, truly, much more important things to discuss, methinks.

 

FWIW, my entire life is one grand adventure. I highly recommend it.

 

Z

 

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 22:36 | 5156931 MonsterBox
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Hat tip to the two of you.  It is kinda like a locker room here & it good that you see that. Guys will pretend & posture some, but will always protect their babes and kids.   Laugh at the boyz. Its all a gag.  Enough rant (& rum). Kudos. 

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 13:46 | 5159423 Zeena
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What's a place like ZH without some good debate anyway? 

 

;-)

 

Cheers.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:10 | 5159814 Miffed Microbio...
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I had a funny impulse to come back here and I'm glad I did. You gave me a much needed laugh.

When I was young I often curled up with a book on my back porch. A big bronze colored lizard would perch himself next to me on a wall and wait. I watched in fascination a stream of lizards would scale the wall and approach him. At first they would lock eyes an try to stare each other down. Then the challenger would do a push up. Rusty would counter push up and the interloper would scurry off. Each lizard took his turn and Rusty would always be victorious without a fight. I began to think it was some hysterical game.

One day, another rusty lizard climbed the wall. I saw this was going to be different. When the push up challenge was complete I saw they were matched. All hell broke lose. Rusty and rusty wannabe were locked in mortal combat biting and scratching each other, falling off the wall and rolling in the dirt. I was shocked and part of me wanted to separate them. Finally it ended, the interloper was defeated and crawled away. Rusty dragged himself up the wall covered in bloody scratches and resumed his post. He appeared quite nonplussed to the whole affair but I was gaped mouthed stunned.

My first glimpse into the world of men was lizard fight club. I learn through metaphor.

Miffed;-)

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 00:17 | 5147966 MontgomeryScott
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Q: "What is a female race?"

A: A 'female race' is a race between females. HERE is an example:

     Barry Soetoro and Janet Yellen and Hillary Clinton and Valerie Jarrett and that Hitler's daughter in charge of Germany (Merkel) are all on their periods at the same time.

There is only one bathroom available.

When they run to the door and open it, they find Vladimir Putin relieving himself (standing, as men do when urinating). Which bitch draws the knife and cuts his dick off in jealousy; and WHICH bitch then becomes 'more female' by using his penis as a 'tampon'? WHICH bitch gets to squat on the toilet FIRST? WHICH female bitch plays the 'Iron Lady' defender of the Bank Of England?

SILLY GIRL!

 

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 00:29 | 5147986 Miffed Microbio...
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Wow,and I thought I was being scathing!

After 2 years and 30 weeks I still am flunking fight club. Oh well. Back to the copious note taking.

Miffed;-)

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 01:08 | 5148058 MontgomeryScott
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Tyler Durden explains 'soap':

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIwToj3p3vM

Was I too much of an asshole?

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 02:09 | 5148148 Parrotile
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M'am - I believe you may have other (more serious) things to worry about - http://www.ajc.com/news/news/ebola-outbreak-out-of-control-frieden-says-in-libe/ng85M/

One of "Our" RN's recently returned from a MSF stint in (rural) Liberia, and the healthcare standards there are very, very different from those enjoyed by "the Pampered West" (her words, not mine). Shortages of everything, and a very strong suspicion that at least some of the "sterile" single-use disposables are in fact recycled (the Black Market for used needles and syringes is still there, even with the HIV problems).

Ebola? "wouldn't recognise it if we saw it". Their day-to-day work is not massaging bruised egos with the latest SSRI / SNRI , rather the majority of their Patients are VERY Sick - usually "on death's door" level sick, 'cause unless your VERY ill over there, the time cost of visiting the clinic (maybe a day or more travel each way) is very significant.

PPE?? Not in Africa, unless you fancy a daily DIY sauna. "Too hot to use". Even gloves are a major pain (sweaty, so slippery), and many just rely on "good technique" and making certain they always know where sharps are.

WHO Staffers? "A bunch of bureaucrats, who are really no help at all". Her view is that we'd be getting better data if the Army Medical Corps did the footwork - at least they know how to manage casualties under less-than-ideal conditions, and they'd be good at information gathering too.

 

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 13:13 | 5149775 Miffed Microbio...
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Dear God!

And here I was thinking no Ebola threads in awhile meant all was going well. ;-)

Miffed;-)

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 01:14 | 5148067 Nobody For President
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Scott, you are another ZH hero, up there with the likes of knucks - female race indeed.

Actually, the dude that ranted about female race has GOT to be young - females ain't another race, they are a different species...An old guy taught me that a long time ago, and now that I'm an old guy, I realize how right he was.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 12:22 | 5149500 Zeena
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Wow - must be getting pretty warm in your mom's basement, huh?

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 22:58 | 5157004 MonsterBox
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Daaammmn!  Tear it up!

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 23:20 | 5157005 MonsterBox
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Dup

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 23:44 | 5147884 Milestones
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A real romp of a bodacious post/rant. Enjoyed it muchly. Have read your stuff before. Good post.

Milestones

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 00:10 | 5147950 Milestones
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A real romp of a bodacious post/rant. Enjoyed it muchly. Have read your stuff before. Good post. Milestones

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 13:18 | 5145609 Terminus C
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This is not alchemy!

I had to laugh at that statement.  The fucked up thing is that we have now gone full retard.  The fully retarded are going to think this is a great idea as presented by the MSM and we're off to the races.

Wow...  

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 13:25 | 5145632 kaiserhoff
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When what you are doing has been a miserable failure, do a lot more of it.

                                             Ben the Bald

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 13:59 | 5145802 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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Anyone else think of this Dave Chappelle sketch?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg6J1Skptbs

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 01:18 | 5148074 Nobody For President
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Rassist - and funny as hell. Sorry I could only give one up arrow.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 13:55 | 5145778 Kirk2NCC1701
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Well, my father did not raise me to be a bleating sheep, or an ideologue who like to discuss/wank as to "How many angels fit on a pinhead".  And given that the Chosen Few have already benefited hugely and shamelessly, at the expense of ALL people/sheeple in the world who take the USD DebtNotes, and before these same sheeple balk and repudiate it...

Tyler, where and how do my Small-biz LLCs apply for such FSA Benefits?  I promise to give ZH its cut.  10%.  "Libertarian's honor".

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 14:13 | 5145873 petolo
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Cash for Flunkers.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 15:09 | 5146123 Arnold
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Pardon me, but isn't 47 percent of the US population and recent 'immigrants' already getting some form of money for nothing?

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 21:52 | 5147511 mkkby
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Exactly... this article is stupid.  They've been printing money and giving it away for years.  $750 billion this year alone.  Since 1974, and really ramping up after the mid 80s tax cuts.

The tipping point is, when?  Not soon.  Japan and most EU countries have to "go Greece" first.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 17:40 | 5146770 NeedtoSecede
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LL, maybe they should give us little "folks" our own printing presses!  I will just print my own FRNs and maybe by some timerland.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 15:04 | 5146095 Syrin
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We already do that...

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 15:39 | 5146248 Hugh_Jass
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I thought the new definition of rich was making $20k / annum?

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 15:45 | 5146270 CH1
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Why not save paper and just cut the tax rate to zero?

No. They MUST maintain compliance inertia.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 23:28 | 5147838 holdbuysell
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@ Yes We Can. But...

"Why not save paper and just cut the tax rate to zero? Except for the rich - you know, those making over $50k/annum."

Half the US doesn't pay taxes already. Cutting taxes to zero wouldn't have any effect on consumption. At this point, literally doling out cash is the only way.

Brace for impact if this becomes policy.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 12:17 | 5145253 max2205
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Notice only tax paying people will get the drop

That should piss off the EBT crowed.

Mr Sharpton, call on line one.....

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 15:42 | 5145266 dontgoforit
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Absurdity at its finest.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 12:36 | 5145355 DeadFred
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The Economic Stimulus Act of 2008, it was my financial wakeup call. The MSM was saying everything was going just fine then in a matter of days congress passed a bill to give everyone a sizable tax rebate. I said thank you but WTF is going on??? Congress couldn't agree about what day it was yet they rammed through a bill to give everyone hundreds of dollars??? With nearly unanimous support??? Something big must be coming our way that they don't want anyone to know about but is scaring the crap out of them. That's what I thought then, today the fan and soon to be propelled matter is more clearly in focus for me. Thank you Tyler for that.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 12:50 | 5145483 LawsofPhysics
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The Economic Stimulus Act of 2008 was a fucking payout/distraction from the fucking bank BAILOUT/THEFT that had occurred.

 

Please, call a spade a fucking spade.  Guess we should have let the motherfuckers go bankrupt after all.  Are any of Tim Geithner's "Arsonists who destroyed the American financial system and profitted from it" in prison yet?

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 13:05 | 5145555 Hail Spode
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At the time I wondered why Bush wanted to borrow billions from the Chinese to give everyone making under 50K a few hundred bucks.  Now I think it was a way to keep the masses calm about their real plan to borrow TRILLIONS from the future in order to give their friends a few hundred billion bucks.....

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 13:34 | 5145678 MachoMan
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No...  The rebate checks came before the banks were bailed out...  at a time when most folks had no clue what was coming.

The checks were a trial balloon.  Unfortunately, we failed the test.  If people had gone out and spent the money with reckless abandon on consumer bullshit, then we would have stood a better chance at receiving some of the loot when the market crashed.  Instead, everyone just paid down debt...  As a result, they decided it would be better just to give the money to the banks, as they were going to do anyway...  but this way they got confirmation.

Further, despite the rebate checks, the country was decidedly against the bank bailouts...  it literally had no distractive effect whatsoever.

 

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 13:39 | 5145710 LawsofPhysics
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FACTS;  TARP was signed by Bush, "The Economic Stimulus Act" was in fact signed by Obama.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 14:57 | 5146062 DeadFred
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The Economic Stimulus Act of 2008 was signed by Bush, The Economic Stimulus Act of 2009 was signed by Obama. I know it's hard to keep track but we must try to keep them straight because they are all For The Children.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 15:45 | 5146271 LawsofPhysics
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Check that, for Obama it was the "Recovery and Reinvestment act".

 

In any case, it's much much worse than any of us thought.  Fuck me.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 16:37 | 5146462 RockyRacoon
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As for the last sentiment you expressed, there are plans afoot in Warshenden DC to do just that.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 21:30 | 5147440 hardmedicine
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i MISSED YOU ROCKY!

 

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 23:29 | 5147847 RockyRacoon
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Been here... just ain't had nothin' to say.  Thanks.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 01:30 | 5148097 MontgomeryScott
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Warshenden DC is/was in'Merkuh', once.

I did a Gookle mapquest search in skool, and according to the historical education department, they were once located in a place called 'WAHLSTRYT'. NOW, of course, after the Atomic Wars of the past millenium, it's still too dangerous for the archeologists to comfirm these myths first-hand. There used to be other places as well, like 'Mus-cow', and 'Bee-Jing', and 'Jew-Rew-Salem' (at least, according to dangerous underground conspiracy theorists like 'Indiana' Jones and 'Rense' Griffin and the worst one of all, 'Tyler' Durden).

 

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 13:52 | 5145770 indygo55
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Yup, and they are going to rob everyone again but this time times 5X. When the derivatives ponzi collapses none of any of this will matter. Cue the false flag distraction and heat up all the other bull shit going on right now. Jeeze half the people I talk to don't have a clue what is going on.

Anywhere. In. The. World.

Not a clue.

I don't know what they do with their lives.  

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 14:20 | 5145902 KnightTakesKing
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 I don't know what they do with their lives.

TeeVee.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 16:27 | 5146422 SAT 800
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KnightTakesKing? unusual. do you mean to refer to Anastasia's Mate?

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 16:52 | 5146522 vulcanraven
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I was walking to lunch yesterday and happened to pass by the Time Warner Cable office. Not sure why, but it was packed to the gills with people, I am talking entire families sitting in there waiting in line, it looked like the DMV. People are so hopelessly addicted to television, I am just assuming all of these people were trying to pay their bills because their cable had been shut off, some of the folks inside seemed so desperate, paniced and enraged. They resembled drug addicts going through withdrawals. God forbid they miss an episode of "Real Housewives of Who Gives a Fuck"

Been cable free since 2010 and never looked back, I weep for the future.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 17:12 | 5146626 FrankieGoesToHo...
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My favorite hulu commercial is the xfinity pushing the 5-channel DVR.  People testifying how they love it since they can record their favorite shows 5 at a time and not have to choose.  All I can think of those poor b@stards...

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 17:27 | 5146689 vulcanraven
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It's insanity, all this "social" networking, "reality" TV, narcissism, egotism, and self worship. The genie is out of the bottle and it ain't going back anytime soon. I have lived in Los Angeles my entire life and I am getting out of here by early next year. I can attest that this is the most hedonistic, self-centered, and entitled cesspool on Earth.

Fuck this liberal shithole, hope it disappears into the ocean.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 01:39 | 5148107 Ward no. 6
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yeah ppl so full of themselves...

just makes me sick

 

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 02:17 | 5148154 MontgomeryScott
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Be careful of what you ask for.

What makes you think that L.A. will survive long enough for your plans to leave 'early next year' be allowed to come to fruition?

When the shit DOES hit the fan, there will be about 15 MILLION others all trying to GTFOOT.

Self-worshipping hedonistic self-centered narcissistic egotistical 'neighbors' (whom you claim) will be running and trampling and killing and don't really give a shit if you live or die.

I got out in 1990, and have been observing the situation like the avatar of a 'slow-motion train wreck'. That train is about to arrive, Hoss.

 

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 20:26 | 5147266 Zeena
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I guy I used to work with called it the "Electronic Income Reducer".

 

Fucking dead on.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 14:44 | 5145997 WillyGroper
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Derivative ponzi won't matter. Neither will mortgages or land titles.

DTCC>>>>>Cede & co. AKA the tribe, own it all by way of legislation.

Don't believe it? I highly recommend 3 hrs of your time while you're screwing off here to listen & absorb this. You'll see how fucked we REALLY are. 

Then if you look at the herd redirection on jobs coming from both the east & west to fly over country, think Chinese ghost cities packed like sardines.

Remember those missing nukes, I think it was Samsara that posted the link? Hmmmmm, no water in Vegas? Who OWNS Vegas? They're telegraphing the bogeyman ISIS threat. Will the missing weapons be used in the next false flag for even more herd redirection? 

 

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 01:21 | 5148078 Nobody For President
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Exactly LOP, you nailed it again.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 13:27 | 5145647 robertocarlos
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If you work for a living you should get a bonus. Govt workers excluded by default. Actually if you included ties to giovt money then everybody would be excluded. There is no winning formula except end the Fed.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 13:41 | 5145714 all-priced-in
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But they do pay taxes on the liquor and cigarettes they buy.

 

/s/

 

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 12:22 | 5145288 Herd Redirectio...
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I am sure they will mandate that 25% of the 'free cash' must pay off  either a credit card, mortgage, car loan, and that another 25% will come in the form of gov't bonds, which are irredeemable 'at this point in time'.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 12:59 | 5145519 agstacks
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I think the last thing they'd want you to do is pay down your CC. 

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 15:34 | 5146202 Solar
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Maybe they will put it in myRAs for us.  Because they care so much for us.  Oh. happy. day.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 12:24 | 5145298 Dr Strangemember
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Wair da gold at?????

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 16:29 | 5146432 SAT 800
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That's one of the things you're not supposed to bother yourself with; when you're getting your free "money".

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 17:12 | 5146627 vulcanraven
Tue, 08/26/2014 - 15:27 | 5145373 Hephaestus
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Holy shit we are going plaid.

 http://youtu.be/mk7VWcuVOf0

 I guess half the US living in a household where someone gets govvy support was not enough. Before they are done half the world on welfare!

 

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 13:23 | 5145634 El Vaquero
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It will only go to debt reduction, and in my case, Au and Ag.

Don't forget the Pb.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 14:06 | 5145834 dontgoforit
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Or the PBR

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 16:14 | 5146363 RafterManFMJ
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The Evil Parasitic Master handing cash to the slaves? Dream on.

Probably be means tested - make over 40K? No cash for you!

I pledge any cash I receive will be transformed, that day, into gold, silver, or mining shares. Amen.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 16:15 | 5146387 RafterManFMJ
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...and there it is!

"government could distribute cash equally to all households or, even better, aim for the bottom 80 percent of households in terms of income."

So fuck you sideways, those dumb enough to produce. JFC collapse already!!

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 17:44 | 5146800 donsluck
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I think you have it backwards. The higher paying jobs are usually administrative, which "produces" nothing. It is the lower paid workers who do the most "producing".

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 12:15 | 5145237 max2205
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It's official the FSA now is an agency of the Fed Govt

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 12:11 | 5145200 knukles
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Well, this is the proper non-Keynesian prescription to deal with a "Liquidity Trap"...
The Trap is when the funds are caught in the banking system and cannot make (due to other non-monetary factor) their way into consumer's hands.
But....
Doing stuff like means testing, etc., will only add to the drugs, tatoo, gambling, Twinkies and booze sales.
And if everybody get money (or even just a lot) it simply will.... raise prices.

That is why a Liquidity Trap cannot be "solved" through monetary policy.
It is a monetary phenomenon cause by non-monetary factors

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 12:14 | 5145238 flacon
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The solution is price controls like what Venezuela is doing - and voila - no inflation. ;) 

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 12:19 | 5145268 max2205
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Usually Govts would only play this card if their stock markets were in the toilet.....

What gives?

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 12:46 | 5145465 1000yrdstare
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The Stock Market is not in the toilet,.......yet.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 12:20 | 5145271 NOTaREALmerican
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The 'no inflation' was a result of the "Wip Inflation Now" buttons. 

Images for whip inflation now

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 16:33 | 5146444 SAT 800
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Wasn't that great? I lived through that; and I was appalled. Just horrified; our national leader, President Ford, wearing a button in his lapel that said WIN. This was the great program that our leaders had come up with? Doomed. completely doomed. Terminal stupidity.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 18:13 | 5146883 Matt
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The price controls in Venezuala do not work because there is no rationing, so smugglers just buy everything and sell it in Columbia at a profit.

Simple solution: let prices go whereever they want, but have coupons issued at government office requiring photo ID for $X off price of Y. Offer merchants a 10% bonus for accepting the coupons.

Combine with a national cryptocurrency that has 10% transaction fee in lieu of all other taxes, but wallets are locked to a specific person or corporation to avoid wallet trading for tax evasion.

Can then be combined with all social program funds and/or Universal Basic Income. Can be combined with Demurage to prevent hoarding.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 12:19 | 5145275 tmosley
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Rising prices are fine, so long as it extinguishes the debt burden, and doesn't lead to loss of confidence in the currency.  Which it will.

Nice of them to extinguish private debt burdens though.  Most .govs don't do that as they are collapsing. 

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 12:31 | 5145352 flacon
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They are only able to do extinguish the private debt because of world currency status - essentially the rest of the world is paying for this. 

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 13:20 | 5145624 kaiserhoff
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What chu got against Tats, Homey?  The classy trashy girls gotta have at least three tats.

It's equalities and shit;)

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 14:31 | 5145944 knukles
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oh, kaiser, i'm beginning to feel ill.... like throwing up....

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 16:35 | 5146452 SAT 800
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Welcome to the new normal. If you don't feel nauseous, you haven't been paying attention.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 12:09 | 5145204 Yes We Can. But...
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So who will get this free gubmint cash, and who won't?

I smell reparations.

 

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 15:23 | 5146179 Robert_manboobs...
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You really think Obama would approve this?

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 12:15 | 5145243 RET
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As a regular Joe Blow, should I take this free money from the helicopter and use it to pay down existing debts, then use the rest to buy PMs?

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 12:19 | 5145276 dontgoforit
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Yes; and then, no.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 12:28 | 5145325 RET
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No PMs with the surplus?  How will I maintain my wealth in what surely must be a coming age of staggering inflation?  Property?

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 12:36 | 5145390 dontgoforit
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Gold, guns, ammo & other sundry items of worth.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 12:52 | 5145492 InjectTheVenom
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bitchez & booze

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 13:12 | 5145584 Big Corked Boots
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and blow

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 13:30 | 5145659 Gern Blanston
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Another Joe Blow here.  I would probably use it the same way I currently treat any extra funds - debt reduction & PM's.  As discussed below, debt reduction could be a waste of money depending on how things unfold, but I'm reluctant to put too much faith in thinking I'll be completely beyond the reach of anyone who has any legal claim on my ass(ets.)

 

Think of it as jockeying for a position closer to the door before the inevitable collapse of the building.

Tue, 08/26/2014 - 13:47 | 5145753 MachoMan
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This is the strategy for J6P.  We have to hedge both ways, for price increases and decreases, for abundance and scarcity.  In the present environment, I think that means debt reduction + purchase of inflationary hedges.  If you load up on debt, then the downtrend may continue longer than you can service the debt and you have to liquidate your inflationary hedges.  For the most part, I think debt free assets that provide significant utility, e.g. houses and farm land, are decent investments; even if you eat a 50% reduction the value of the property, it will still kick off rent at a semi-inflation adjusted rate (and if you eat a 50% loss there, then there will be plenty of losses in other assets to go around, thus mitigating your opportunity cost).  It's the same as it ever was...  diversification in uncertain times.

Debt reduction also has to be propertly characterized...  I think business debt is far more defensible than consumptive debt (e.g. luxury car, personal residence, etc.).  

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