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Ukraine Releases Video Of Captured Russian Troops; They "Entered Accidentally" Russia Claims As Putin-Poroshenko Meeting Begins
Moments ago, Russian president Vladimir Putin arrived in Minsk, Belarus where upon the initiative of Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko a summit between the Customs Union (Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan) and Ukraine will be held on Tuesday. As Interfax adds, the meeting will also be attended by three European commissioners - EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Catherine Ashton, Trade Commissioner Karel De Gucht and European Commission Vice President, Energy Commissioner Gunther Oettinger.
Amusingly, Putin's arrival did not proceed without incident...
Putin is running late, and the Ukrainian delegation is annoyed that he keeps everyone waiting.
— Nataliya Vasilyeva (@NatVasilyevaAP) August 26, 2014
This will be second meeting in the past three months between Putin and Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko organized with the mediation of a president a third country. However, official confirmation that a separate meeting between Putin and Poroshenko will take place does not yet exist.
As noted earlier, the main reason for the recent ramp in futures is because someone activated the de-escalation algo sending futs promptly from overnight lows to highs, on hopes there will be some resolution of Ukraine's proxy civil war, and maybe a detente between Russia and Europe, where the latter is now on the verge of a triple-dip recession due to "costs" against Russia.
And yet, a potential complication may arise following the release of a video just hours before the meeting which allegedly shows Russian soldiers who were captured on Ukraine territory on Tuesday, "sharply escalating a dispute over Moscow's alleged backing for separatist rebels in the east of the former Soviet republic" according to Reuters. Alas, that's not what the de-escalation algo thinks which is currenly buying up everything in sight, now that Ukraine has cried invading wolf one too many times.
As Reuters reports, a Moscow military source told Russian news agencies that a group of soldiers had surrendered to Ukrainian forces after crossing the border by accident. Needless to say, Ukraine didn't buy it: "This wasn't a mistake, but a special mission they were carrying out," military spokesman Andriy Lysenko said in a televised briefing.
He also said separatists were attacking the southeastern border town of Novoazovsk "at this very minute" and Ukrainian forces had destroyed 12 armoured infantry vehicles in the area.
Reuters further notes that Russia has always denied assertions by Ukraine, backed by the United States and the European Union, that it has been sending arms and troops across the border to support the pro-Moscow separatists. "Tuesday's video provided the strongest evidence yet to back up Kiev's claims of direct Russian military involvement, which Moscow has always disputed. It came a day after Ukraine's state security service said it had detained 10 Russian paratroopers who had crossed the border in a column of several dozen armed infantry vehicles."
In footage posted on the official Facebook page of the Ukrainian government's "anti-terrorist operation", the men were shown dressed in camouflage fatigues. One of them, who identified himself as Ivan Milchakov, listed his personal details, including the name of his paratroop regiment, which he said was based in the Russian town of Kostroma.
"I did not see where we crossed the border. They just told us we were going on a 70 km (45-mile) march over three days," he said. "Everything is different here, not like they show it on television. We've come as cannon fodder," he said in the video. Another man in the footage, who gave his name as Sergeant Andrei Generalov, said: "Stop sending in our boys. Why? This is not our war."
Russian news agencies quoted a defence ministry source as confirming that Russian servicemen had crossed into Ukraine but saying they did so inadvertently.
"The soldiers really did participate in a patrol of a section of the Russian-Ukrainian border, crossed it by accident on an unmarked section, and as far as we understand showed no resistance to the armed forces of Ukraine when they were detained," the source said.
So, accidental invasion (into what is technically the Donetsk Republic) then? Judging by the market's reaction it is merely confirmation of more pent-up de-invasions.
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JUMPIN JESUS ON A POGOSTICK NOT AGAIN!!!
NSA fukin with thier iPhone navigation app??
It
Again......hold on......I think we just screwed up.
NATO will of course condemn Russia, but will do nothing since no conscript European or American Soldier will die to save a bankrupt, dysfunctional country. USSA neocons will push for war, but this is always about enriching the MIC.
Where is the full video? These were not in the video:
"I did not see where we crossed the border. They just told us we were going on a 70 km (45-mile) march over three days," he said. "Everything is different here, not like they show it on television. We've come as cannon fodder," he said in the video. Another man in the footage, who gave his name as Sergeant Andrei Generalov, said: "Stop sending in our boys. Why? This is not our war."
The first guy just starts saying "They didn't tell us..." then it cuts off to show the next guy.
You've changed, Bob.
Media Lies and The Propaganda War about Ukraine
Come On... The Russian Soldiers Were Just Out For An Evening Friendly Hike In the Woods...
The boy who cried wolf one too many times...
Ukie Joke of the Day:
Re Novorussian imminent invasion of Mariupol City Ukraine:
In Mariupol (Ukraine) there is no reason to panic "- said Taruta (Governor of Donetsk Province), sitting in the helicopter.Read more at http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2014/08/rebels-claim-liberati...
If Russia was really invading, you can bet that Pig President Porkyschenko would be already squealing defiance from Tel Aviv.
I love taking long enthusiastic walks through the woods...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY7KCcX_lQk
@ rakshas
Two rakshas were eating a vidushak. One looks at the other and says, "does this taste funny to you? Cause it sure tastes funny to me."....
Ty, tyvm...
Propaganda: The U.S. ‘News’ Media Coverage of Ukraine’s Civil War
And it is being reported, except of course in the MSM (Other than Malaysian Government owned New Straits Times) that the results of the MH17 investigation are subject to an NDA. So we now have a confidential/classified air accident investigation. Another first...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-causes-of-the-mh17-crash-are-classified...
I wonder what it is that "Someone" doesn't want to be revealed? In this case Australia is obviously being told what to do but, in general, they are getting very good at classifying investigations......
Propaganda: The U.S. ‘News’ Media Coverage of Ukraine’s Civil War
The border between the Ukraine and Russia was unfortified for 100's of years. It is possible that the Russians entered by mistake. Nevertheless, the western media is happy to scream it out to the rooftops, ignoring the 100's of american mercenaries operating in the Ukraine.
Doesn't matter in the big picture. The Ukraine cannot survive without Russian energy, and if they steal Nat Gas from the pipelines, Europe becomes the loser, strengthing Putins hand for pushing Southstream. This is the real game.
Just with google maps (probably inaccurate too) you can see fields that the boarder runs right though, where the farmer must need to show his passport out of the tractor window everytime he goes up and down with the seeder.
I read somewhere on the internet so probably false but worth repeating because I thought it was funny; anyway it goes that one guy's house is on the border and following the conflict he decided to exclusively use the toilet (for number 2s) on Ukraine's side in protest.
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"You shouldn't believe everything you see on the internet. There is a lot of misinformation out there"
- Abraham Lincoln, 1866
Didn't a couple hundred Kiev troops recently get captured
having crossed the border into Russia?
Unless that was an "invasion" of Russia, the border area is definitely "porous".
"NEVERMIND THAT SHIT"
Buy the fuckin Burger King merger!
Long Whopper's Bitchez!
Buy the F'ing Dip, RSX.
I have some coastline in New Mexico you need to buy.
Both sides are shitheads, just like in the good ol' USA.
I will take the side opposite the Nazis thank you.
You don't need the NSA to fuck with Apple Maps they did such a good job of it themselves, I'm surprised it didn't direct them to Timbuktu. Also important Saur Moglia the highest point in Donbass is once again in sep hands and they are launching arty attacks at those Ukies stuck in new pockets. For a while they had abandoned the height but continued to shell and pummel it with MRLS to the point that the Ukies simply fled especially once the recent advances are factored in by the seps.
This happened to me once in the Boy Scouts...
I stopped reading when I got to: "
In footage posted on the official Facebook page of the Ukrainian government's "anti-terrorist operation",
:/
Obv. Petro will have to execute these poor lads and get the WWIII show on the road
Petro behaves like a boy crying wolf. If he succeeds in drawing Russia directly into Ukrainian civil war, then real Russian invasion won't look like 10 (lol, invasion) paratroopers crossing the border. By that time he better be gone.
Draw Russia in?? hahaha How Naive! Russsia is already in as is USA and Nato! This is not a civil war this is a proxy war for the flow of gas between Nato/Euro and Russia.
Exactly. In the even bigger picture, this is also a USSA war launched against Russia, to eventually destroy it and maintain the hegemony of the Fed Reserve Dollar.
People get soft, when did invasion looked 10 soldiers crossing otherwise quite transparent border. Just to give an idea, Georgia circa 2008 armoured columns rolling, freedom loving leader eating tie on camera. That's a proper invasion. This incident looks only like someone trying to upset today's meeting, just in case the two decide to stop hostilities for even one day. I would not even suspect it was Poroshenko who gave that order.
how is this border defined ? I thought some of these "borders" run through wheat fields and that there had been no reason to mark them in the USSR
Obviously bullish
Invasion!!!!!!!
/s
Of course "accidentally". Russian army is so dumb and without any navigation systems with them, that they fully armed "accidentally" crosses borders.
Meantime - look how people who are russian propoganda brainwashed treats to this women. They lashed her to pillar and scoff at her.
http://zaxid.net/news/showNews.do?u_donetsku_privyazali_do_stovpa_zhinku...
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/26/world/europe/russia-ukraine.html?_r=2
Any time you pass my house I'd sure appreciate it.
Re viedoklis_lv
I agree, how dare the Novorossiyans humiliate the Ukie soldiers. They should do what the Ukrainian right sector did and burn them alive in buildings, like Odessa:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4dJRnI-X8Q
What you won't hear in the news is that following that parade they were loaded onto trucks to be exchanged and released back to Ukie forces.
viedoklis_lv is a Lithuanian nazi troll.
lv is LATVIAN dumb troll yourself
LT is LITHUANIAN Wake up from your vodka
Oh, so that's what offended you most?
Does Lithium coime from Lithuania? Is this what this is all about?
She was apparently acting as a forward spotter for Ukie artillery, of course we don't know the circumstances or evidence they have of such a claim, but if it is true then she should be thankful that she is alive. If that is not the case as was claimed by them then it is not right and should be condemned.
Where's the radio then?
Yes. You have to have a radio to be an artillery spotter.
What about the map case?
No, you cannot accurately spot artillery from 'google maps' or your smart phone. The maps there are not mensurated - they are not adjusted for elevation.
She doesn't look like she could carry all that stuff.
Why should I believe your lies more than their lies?
viedorkolis said:
Good thing she's not a pregnant woman in Odessa. The Ukie Yatzis would have raped her and strangled her with a telephone cord.
All I see here is that Petro and his murderous band of disfunctional mercinaries have added kidnapping to the laundry list of crimes that he has committed on behalf of his oligarch masters in Tel Aviv and DC. He's a petty punk. As soon as someone keeps his paternal masters busy somewhere else, you'll see the defenseless toddler in him once again emerge...wailing in the middle of the thoroughfare, lost at the carnival.
What a maroon.
Nice to see a fellow Latvian on here, many people on here are just pro-everything that is anti-western. They dont know what its like to live next to that big bully Russia who is spreading lies about our countries on a daily basis about some mystical fascism, just because we ask their soviet occupants(non-citizens) who live here to learn our language and history in order to get their citizenship, at the same time only people who can get Russian citizenship are the ones who know Russian language and Russian history.
Just look at these photos from today in Donetsk, these cunts(sorry seperatists) tied up a woman with Ukrainian flag and beat her up:
https://twitter.com/_yaroslavik_/status/504186183484977152/photo/1
https://twitter.com/ZaxidNet/status/504184573069365249/photo/1
Reminds of the days when we got our independance from Soviet Russia, we had also Russians attacking Latvians in LATVIA for just speaking Latvian. So sorry Zerohedgers, but most of you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to Russia.
Latvia is unimportant in the grand scheme of things and certainly not worth antagonising Russia over. Having had Lithuania as President of the EU Council Jun-Dec 2013 we get problems in Ukraine as they expand their network of "Honorary Consuls" throughout the country. Then we get Latvia from Jan-Jun 2015 as President of EU Council and can expect yet more of the same.
Go ahead and antagonise the bear but don't expect Western Europe to do anything more than hold your coats if you bite off more than you can chew.
With the US about to blow up the whole Middle East plus North Africa I doubt it will want to get deeper into this particular hole
I agree. Its disgusting and shameful how ZH continues to publish heavily biased posts which support the Russian view for no other reason than to disagree with the west. Having just moved from Moscow, i can say that its shameful to even try to report the Russian side when it is so full of untruths, bias, lies, propaganda, and deceit.
It's probably like that ol saying.." the enemy of my enemy is my friend"..
I agree. Its disgusting and shameful how ZH continues to publish heavily biased posts which support the Russian view for no other reason than to disagree with the west. Having just moved from Moscow, i can say that its shameful to even try to report the Russian side when it is so full of untruths, bias, lies, propaganda, and deceit.
You and viedoklislv are a disgrace to real Latvians
Of course, the woman, if she was suspected of calling in coordinates for the Ukranian artillery, should have been arrested, formally charged with a crime, and then given access to counsel, and a chance to confront her accusers in open court with a presumptin if innocence.
That's how thngs are supposed to work in civilized, peaceful countries.
If this had been the US, she would have been tasered to death, or beaten to death, or shot to death by brutal militarized police, and never given a chance to stand, alive and healthy, to be briefly humiliated and then released.
Of course, in a war zone, perhaps it is best to make a effort to be a patriot, and not a traitor, and if one is falsely accused of a crime, that's the way it goes, and one has to be philosophical about these things. Shit happens. If she really was calling in coordinates for Uke artillery, she got off easy, and I'd say the armed fighters teaching her a lesson are acting with admirable restraint.
She isn't "lashed' to the pole. She's just standing there. She could run away, but she's probably afraid the guy will shoot her if she does. Reasonable fear. She endures the humiliation because A) she feels bad about helping the Ukes, and is taking her pennance, or B) she is innocent, and can no longer protest her innocence, and simply endures the abuse. if she was a committed Uke partisan, my guess is she would run, and take her chances with being shot. Most likely, she got roped into helping the Ukes against her will, and now she's stuck. Life's a bitch, just ask Michael Brown.
Wow they look like a crack troop! Special mission my arse. Young patrol, lost their way. Get over it Ukie idiots.
The Russian invasionary force of 10 conscripts...
Looks like it will take 11 to bring down the Ukrainian Nazi Junta. Also they will need some ammo and orders next time.
I guess what surprised me the most was the discrepancy in casualties: Iraq, one hundred fifty thousand casualties, USA...seventy-nine! Let's go over those numbers again, they're a little baffling at first. Iraq, 150,000, USA 79. Does that mean we could have won with only 80 guys there? Just one guy in a ticker-tape parade, "I did it! Hey!" - Bill Hicks -
Did the Ukies finally capture an EM-50 Urban Assault Vehicle with the troops? No pictures yet.
Politics...one big accident after another.
http://olduvai.ca
Maybe the ukraine border is not easily defined
It goes from this cow over here, to that cow over there.
See that big rock and that tree? Its pretty much russia on the other side
They couldn't stay on their side of Obama's RED LINE?
He's got an ACME red line painting kit in the White House garage.
Foggy Rasmussen has got a hard-on today.
"Jah, ve go a Viking."
so what,only 10 russian troops crossed over the border,what about the 500+ ukrainian troops crossing over to the russian side
.
Yep, and those sneaky, diabolical Russians gave them food, clothing, shelter, and medical treatment. How barbaric.
We're doing that for a lot of Guatemalan children right now. Only they're coming to us....we're not going the them.
They were in an urban assault vehicle, they thought it was Yugoslavia......or Wisconsin,
It's Yugoslavia....we'll go in and get out. It's not like we're going to Moscow.
They "Entered Accidentally" Russia Claims - There is not such news on any official government site....
But it's really funny that "invasion force" have russian passports...
my bet is ukraine stole them somewhere near border or driver just turn somewhere wrong.. there is no border check at country road
btw there is no border as phycial object - there is no wire or fence, just fields, forest and rocks... and border is not a stright line...
most of the border line look like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrtUZky9_-s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IwS0zhQnuY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjBAaLsAdCU
Itar-tass has a post about it: http://en.itar-tass.com/world/746693
itar-tass is a media-news...it's not http://www.mid.ru/bdomp/brp_4.nsf/main_eng
or
"Russian Defense Ministry source told ITAR-TASS" but there is no such news in
http://eng.mil.ru/en/index.htm
So something happend but what i can't tell you because i don't know
It is a state-owned agency, I know that mistakes happen, but they certainly know their source quite well to consider it reliable.
I wonder if Gonzalez, Ramirez, and Stone had any relatives living in Russia?
Don't worry, Russia will "fix" the border location problem.
A youtube video??? TIME TO BOMB!
Better run that by in a speech to the UN.....and then lock away the author on some trumped up charge.
Mo worries. We'll get the blind sheik free yet.....we've just got come up with a way to do it.
Three lost guys with no orders and not shooting? This is almost as bad as the food invasion! The lack of intent and capability is obviously another food-like ruse.
It is just as likely the Ukrainians crossed the border and took these guys in Russia while they were doing exercises.
Ultra-Secret Spetnaz recon of local liquor store.
Ukraine is a dying country run by bonehead neo-nazi sympathatizers and the US investment in the Kiev neo-nazi junta can be flushed down the toilet with all the taxpayer money that went on Iraq, Afganistan, Libya, etc. Capturing a handful of Russian border guards isn't proof of anything, but of course Kiev, Washington and NATO will call this an invasion. More ridiculous nonsense to propagandize. If Russia were to really invade Ukraine it would be with overwhelming force and Kiev would not be able to stop it. Russian troups would take Kiev within 24 hours like a knife cutting through warm butter.
This meeting is going to resemble something like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p51PGX-PrqQ
You know this is one all American cop video of police "using force" that I thoroughly enjoyed!
mmm.... why did Russia allow this "incident" to happen, why did Putin throw Porki a bone(r)
we'll know after the next 2 or 3 chess moves.
Eastern bloc vacations aren't what they used to be...
<sarc off>
Putin is becoming a joke. Nobody believes anything he says. My, have the mighty fallen.
you're a joke, and everyone is laughing AT you.
Putin is becoming a joke
Heh heh....it takes some real balls to say that in a room full of KGB.
Yeah.....go ahead.....let me have it.
KGB would be wasting their time here. (Preaching to the choir and all that)
ZHedgers are born informed.
I gave you an up vote just because that what funny, of course I Disagree with you.
How is that "Putin boomerang" working out for you?
I thought Putin would have friends by now. You know, a number of months in, Putin should have an international posse at his side.
He doesn't.
The antics he plays with Ukraine reminds me of a kid picking at a scab. He can't leave it alone though the scar will remain indefinintely.
Clearly, Putin has been played and he knows it. Any move forward causes big problems for him within Russia. He can't step back without losing face. The other players know this and can deal with him like he was a spoiled little kid.
Everyone lets him have his say and then does what they want.
Putin has become a joke. He is an afterthought.
I think you meant to say "Obama". I know, it was just a typo.
Are you really a welder? Or are you the receptacle to put the stick in...
Made by the same crew that made the "beheading" video? Gotta keep that Santa Monica crew working baby.
in other news, London really needs to get nuked: (remember what starts there eventually ends up here).
The Telegraph has reported how the British government desperate for money, is taxing even medals given to soldiers for their bravery in war. The story in the Telegraph reports – “I was told to pay death duty on Dad’s medals”. There is nothing sensitive about these people in government. When I say we are in a massive collapse of socialism because these people have paid themselves lavish pensions that need funding, there is really no limit to the indignity they are imposing upon the people. At this rate, if the government wants to hand you medal, you better ask will I be taxed in the future for even having these? Just amazing.
Look at this photo, these peaceful Donetsk Terrorists tied up a woman with a Ukrainian flag and beat her up:
https://twitter.com/_yaroslavik_/status/504186183484977152/photo/1
https://twitter.com/ZaxidNet/status/504184573069365249/photo/1
That is just how Western Ukrainians have sex.
If she did what they say she did she should have been hung. Seriously.
Exactly what did she do in your opinion, do you even read Russian? Its some Pro-Russian scum attacking her for supporting united Ukraine. Look at Slovyansk, all these Strelkovs etc are gone, someone bombing them now? No. Banderas runing wild as the Russia TV stations claimed they will? No. There would be no war in Ukraine if it was not for Russian agents such as Strelkov, Babaj etc who are Russian citizens ffs. Some of you still dont get it.
What I read was she was spotting artillery.
United Ukraine is fine. If it is run by Nazi oligarchs then I am on the side I those that want another path for themselves.
BTW. I don't speak Russian but my fiancée does. I get the translation by saying "babe!! Come here and read this for me!"
Who should she spot the for? Strelkov who is a Russian citizen along with his buddies such as Babaj etc who are also Russian citizens and running the show since the begining? In Slovyansk, how many buildings are bombed now? How many Banderas running wild, like Russian TVs said they will???? None. But you dont hear about that now,infact you dont hear ANYTHING about Slovyansk lately, because its not on anti-Ukraine agenda now. People getting on with their lives and rebuilding their city slowly along with support from Ukrainian government. Remember when Putin said there was no Russian military in Criema and they are all civilians and locals? After anexation Putin went on live TV and said they were infact Russians and Russian military that patroled the city and lied to everyone about being locals.
It is typical to the Kievan Yatzi Junta citizenish way of doing things, denying the consequences of their own doings.
Kievan Yatzi Junta citizens have volatile standards, always changing to fit their fabled narratives.
You argue like a woman. No flow to your points and random thoughts dropped like paint on a Jackson Pollock canvas.
What I have read and seen is that the Ukie rebuilding consists of handing unemployed women paint to paint everything in blue and yellow. They don't have the money to rebuild much because of the skim and, well, being out of money. Wars are expensive.
Slovyansk was indefensible and the DPR guys slipped out. I have not heard much about the town since. Education would be appreciated, if you capable of it. I suspect that it will be retaken soon but there are higher priority military targets.
Crimea is a different beast altogether.
It may be a small thing ...
But where's the rope?
CUNT PUNT!!!
Oh come on ....you were thinkin it too .. ....I was already going to hell for so many other reasons
You will note RisingSun, if you would get past your emotionalism and Neo-Nazi propaganda, that she is not tied up with a Uke flag. The Uke flag is draped over her shoulders. You will also note, that this woman is not crumpled into a bloody broken mess on the ground, unlike the hundreds of innocents that have been bombed by Neo-Nazi Kiev artillery.
Nice try with the emotional angle though.
A group of Russians is considered a serious incursion but destroying residential buildings, power generation etc by the Ukranians is not an incursion. I think I get it.
If I was Putin in a private meeting with Poroshenko I would tell him that he is a marked man if things get much uglier.
I like your style.
To Interfax and Reuters...
You show us your (next door neighbor) Russian Ukrainian mix soldiers slipping across the border from time to time to visit family... And we'll show you imported mercenaries from far, far away from these two neighbors that border one another who just happen to be stirring up the "shit storm" of trouble...
As far away as this and this!
...and don't forget this:
https://pp.vk.me/c619321/v619321108/12356/PKTJR89f3aw.jpg
Somehow I don't think that is Constable Dooright of the RCMP.
Ohhhh Canadaaaaaaaaaaaa!....
TFS
I wonder what all those WWII veterans from the U.S. and Canada who allegedly fought and died to ensure this would never happen on their continent would think of their children's scum????
I guess we can all agree on one thing at this point. At least they aren't attempting to hide it?!!! At least we know it's for the "money" and nothing else -otherwise how could we be doing it this long and be so unsuccessful at everything we touch?
Thanks for yet another subtle reminder of how low we've sunk into the "Don's Jon" cesspool of contradiction(s)...
P.S.
Wonder how long they plan on sticking around? We know that photo was probably taken 3 months ago cause if they're smiling now it won't be for much longer....
So Strelkov isnt Russian and there are no Chechen or Russian mercenaries
fighting in Donbass. None of the Donbass seperatist leaders are Russian either.
There are no Russian fighters buried in Donbass and none being repatriated in body bags back to Rostov.
Of course there are no Russian incursions across a very porous border nor is
there any Russian missile launces from Russian positions. Why ? Because
it is not shown on the media that you prefer watching. The couple of Latvian lads on here are being
castigated for their views but they know what a Bullying Russia is like.
I have lived and worked in Ukraine including Donetsk, Lviv, Odessa and Kiev. The majority
of people want a free Ukraine, something they havent really had and something they will never
have if they are tied to Russia. Russia has exported Soviet style corruption as well as cheap gas to Ukraine.
In Julia Tymoshenkos case that went hand in hand. The Ukrainian people have had enough they want to evolve
and not regress which is what has happenned since independance. The Ukrainian people have voted in the present
government not the USA/Nato and the same Ukrainian people will re-elect a goverment on the 26th of October.
The Right sector last time got 2% of the vote so are you ZHers telling me that the Ukrainian population are
going to vote in a Nazi Kiev Junta...... again ! The problem with a lot of people on this board is that you are not happy
unless there is a USA backed conspiracy going on.
The Soviets exported Soviet style corruption. They are at least dealing with it in Russia.
Also, we are not happy BECAUSE there is a US backed conspiracy.
Phuk K, if you really cared about your crappy Ukraine, you would not waste time on Russia. Instead march on Kiev and overthrow your Oligarchs, the criminals bleeding your country dry. What the Ukraine should do is default on its debt, become a neutral country, and rebuild, instead of constantly threatening Russia. But, then again, your government is a puppet of the USSA, so they will do as told.
The Ukie slimeballs don't state how far into their territory the Russian soldiers were when apprehended.
If they were deep inside, then it may be possible they were on a mission. If a short distance, it's probably a navigation error. Also, no mention of what equipment/weapons they were carrying.
It sounds like Ukie are crying wolf. Again.
They were captured supposedly around Ilovaisk which is 40-50 km from the border.
Around??? That word means wildly different things to different people.
I wasnt there so I shall say reputedly 40-50 km from the Russian border if that helps.
I'd like to see reputable evidence of that. If they were carrying weapons or explosives or whatever, Ukie would have said so and made a big thing of it.
It's an odd incident and hard to imagine what they might have been up to 40-50km inside Ukie. There were certainly not enough of them to start a new front or do any damage.
Guys, I've been reading ZH for some time, and there's something I just don't understand when I read other users comments.
Everytime there are news related to China or Russia, it feels like you guys demonize the US and justify Putin's or Chinese government's actions. In my opinion, it is TRUE that the US government (and the current, Obama, administration, of course) does not respect the freedom and the liberty of its citizens. It is true that Yellen and her predecessors FED chairmans have been ruining the US economy for so many years. But I don't think Russia or China's gov is better than US' one.
First of all, Chinese governement is completely dictatorial. It is true the NSA is spying US citizens. Do you think China doesn't do the same? What's more, they have the right to openly condemn anyone who they think is dangerous to their country. Probabbly ZeroHedge wouldn't be able to exist in China if they were critical to their government. China has also an intervened economy, and probabbly more heavily (there are some critical sectors, such as energy or telecoms, where only state-owned companies are allowed to work). There's internet censorship. I'm not saying the US doesn't do that, but I think in a quite smaller scale. Oh, and China's Africa colonization? They did it peacefully, yeah, thanks to agreements with African countries' governments. And we all know they are quite corrupt in general and that they don't defend its citizen's freedom.
Secondly, what about Putin? Yeah, it's true that probabbly the US wants a war more than Putin itself wants. Yes, it's true that maybe the US started all the ukranian stuff. But it's not less true that Putin invaded Crimea. He just did also acted agressively. What about Putin's friends? Ir's been docummented several times the big fortunes Russia's government friends have. I'm not saying that doesn't happen in the US, but... why some of you support Putin when he is as bad or more than US gov., the only difference is that Russia is not as powerful or as rich as the US, so he can't act the same way the US is acting.
As I said before, the only difference between Russia + China & the US is that the US is more powerful (at least right now, we all know that what's going to happen in the US economy is not going to be beautiful..., but we talk about the present). The US has commited (and still does) so many mistakes, specially in exterior politics stuff: funding terrorists.they now have to fight against, starting wars against other countries where innocent people live (like in all the wars, in fact). But, looking at what theese countries do to their own citizens, how can you even think they're better in any way to Americans? Even if you believe in NWO or in any of those conspirancies (which may be true, I haven't said I don't believe in them) these guys are for the New World Order, they just may be for their own controlled NWO. Don't forget the Li family is linked with the Illuminatis, and don't forget the chinese economy is government-controlled, their people are government-controlled, that business must work according to Communist Party of China (= their gov.). And don't forget that they define themselves as a socialist country (exactly what the NWO wants, a socialist society in which only some people rule almost everything in the country), even if they have capitalist characteristics.
No, I don't like the what the US is doing. I don't like what the MSM says. I like freedom, I want my personal freedom, even if it compromises democracy or my political freedom. I want my freedom to live the way I want, to build my future as I want it, and I want the government to respect it's citizens sexual orientation (Putin?), economic freedom and belief and I want people to have access to the objective truth of whatever happens. No, the US doesn't respect that, but Russia and China do neither, and, what's more, they are worse than America in that aspect.
PS: Sorry for such a big comment and sorry for my bad english... In Spanish ;)
Anita, you took the time to write your opinion and that is appreciated but, what is your point?, all governments suck, we get it, we are just suggesting that maybe we should stay the FUCK out of other people's business.
My point was that, in my opinion, they are worse than America. And yes, I agree governments should stay out of other people's business, it was just that I wanted to know why some people seem to prefer those countries to the US, as I think they are more restrictive (even if US doesn't respect freedom as well)
Your point was - they are worse than USA? Really? Is there any other nation in this world that has murdered more people in the recent 50 years than the great fucking USA backed by debt from FED while you and your friends have been enjoying your hollywood life at home?
I'm sorry to say this, but I don't live a hollywood life at home, as I'm not american and I don't live there.
I also don't know how many has Russia or China killed, because, as all government data, there's nothing we can believe in. But, anyway, I didn't said they killed more people, I said that they didn't do it just because they weren't able.
Look at how powerful the US has been and how Russia or China were during the same periods. Even now US has a bigger military budget that the rest of the countries, and I think that's just because the US can. If they were in the same position as Russia or China, I don't expect they would be doing what they are, and if Russia were in the same position as the US is right now, they would actually do, at least IMO
Why exactly is it that the US has the biggest military budget? They use it. The term 'gunboat diplomacy' has been in use by the US for most of the last century. Have a diplomatic row of any consequence with the US? Expect a carrier battle group sailing and flying around off shore.
Want to depose a dictator? Let's arm and train the opposition. Oh crap, these guys are worse!! We have to arm and train the dictator!
It isn't about resolutions or solving things. The US is invested in chaos to keep the petrodollar supreme. China and Russia are threats to the petrodollar and can't be dealt with like the minor petrodollar threats were (Iraq and Lybia). People die, in large number, due to the US chaos. It is simply evil and I want Russia and China to break the back of the petrodollar to restore some peace and civility to the world. I have no illusions it will be perfect.
You don't have to live in Hollywood to lick the boot or to kiss the whip either.
Of course.
China.
The "Great Cultural Revolution" in the 1960s killed tens of millions. That was within the last 50 years.
What about the 'land reform' in Africa? That is, after all, what they're also trying to do here in the US with the immigrants and the subsidized birth for ethnic 'minorities' ("Minorities' = not of European descent).
If you are going to make comparisons, you must first remove your blinders.
All the national governments are corrupt and murderous. All means all.
Read more De La Boettie.
Many on here are just brainwashed by the Russian TV propoganda. I bet many of them dont even know that under the great leader Putin, now bloggers are required to register with the government or go to jail. Sites like ZEROHEDGE could not exist in Russia.
Readers on here now pretty much forgot Sloyansk because Russian TV is not talking about it anymore. No bombings now, no wild banderas running wild like Russian TV said they will. City is now trying to recover from all that horror that Russian occupants such as Strelkov(Russian Citizen) and his buddies who are also Russian citizens did to the city.
Lets not forget about the elections in Russia...Putin, then Medvedev(now a Prime Minister), now Putin, next ? Medvedev probably and Putin as their Prime Minister.
For everything that is wrong with the West, Russia is much worse. I live next to Russia and I have been to Russia many times, I know what I am talking about when it comes to their bullying of their "smaller" neigbours with Russian propoganda machine.
And comparing NSA in the USA with China :) Not even worth commenting on. Try setting up sites like Zerohedge in China and see how that goes.
Keep up a good Psaking.
You almost earned your daily 2 hrivna's allowance
Anything I said is not true?
You forgot the part about the USSA state department overthrowing the previous Ukrainian president in favor of their pet political puppets. Remember Nudelmans cookies, and $5 billion to destabilize the Ukraine?
Sites like ZeroHedge would do just fine in Russia. I have a very large blog and have no issues. I get really sick of seeing people who speak out their ass and know nothing about anything...
Basically reverse what you say about Russia and apply it to America and then you got it correct...
I know I have lived in Russia full time for 8 years now and have never been arrested for saying what I think...
In America I spent many days in jail over what I think and I can promise that Russia is a whole bunch safer and freer than America is this day and age...
Lie somewhere else, I am sick of what we use to call, "Lying sacks of shit!"
There is so many lying sacks of shit now days on this site that it is hardly worth reading the comments, because like right now they piss me off with their lies...
Who gives a crap about if Putin is president for life, he is so vastly superior to Obama, that Russians really appreciate how he cares for the country...
Tidbit of info: I had to remove my blog from American servers, because I was being shut down for my opinions. I host in Iceland at 1984 hosting and they protect me. No one in America with servers protected me...
Yea America the land of the free and home of the brave...
I have killed more people in the name of democracy than you have met in your life and the day I came to grips with that fact and return a wallet that a dying gook gave me to return to his family, is the day you will or anyone will stop and realize that we kill for no reason but someone's wet dreams...
I despise crap...
Russia is a fantastic country, just like America use to be! Use to be I said...
First of all, I'm not lying, I just post my opinion.
Secondly, what about homosexuality in Russia, for example? What about the ammount of fortunes made arround Russia's large natural resources? What about corruption?
Yes, the US is corrupt, but look how big the US economy is. Look now at the Russian one. You can't compare both in absolute terms. Russia has built corrupt fortunes around almost everything they have (which is, in fact, natural resources as I said before).
Thridly, you tell us you've been in Russia for 8 years and you were not arrested, but in the US you were. You ran a blog and so on. How can you even prove that? I mean, I can also say I've been 16 years in Russia and that I've been tortured thirty times because I said "fuck Putin", and in the US I didn't have any problems. Of course, that's false and it's a completely exaggeration, I don't say they arrest you because of insulting Putin in the streets, I just say that I can say that and lie on the sofa waiting for some positive comments.
Russia is not a fantastic country, neither it is as wonderful as America used to be (and trust me, I would love America to be as it was so, so many years ago), and let's be honest, if you don't mind Putin is president for life (dictator then?) because he's such a wonderful man and he's vastly superior to Obama, it's ok, but you look biased. In his country there were some protests against 2012's rigged election. Yes, now he holds a bigger approval rate, but let's not forget what went on in that country just 2 years ago. Of course you'll say that's propaganda, because Russia is wonderful and America is a shit. I do know that. That's why it doesn't matter what I tell you, you'll never accept my opinion. I'm not the fanatic one here.
Homosexuality? LOL.World has far more serious issues to be concerned with.World does not revolve around your butthole.
hahahha you don't know who I am, how can you call me homosexual?? And I used it as an example of individual freedom.
1. where is any isue with homo in Russia? the law forbids to come closer to the school, then 200meters and make a homo propaganda. u have a problem with this? Our slavic culture (I am from SLovakia) does not like Conchita Wurst culture. Thats it.
2. american president has to pass a hat arround and collect at least 1Bn USD to get elected. It means the highest (official) position in US is bribed, purchased and sold.
Everything else is derived from this fact rep. position 10mM usd, senate place 20M usd.
I can just laugh about the rest u have written concerning corruption.
In USA the highest people are bribed and sold/purchased before they are sworn into the office. U are really not serious. Stop with this MSM propaganda.
1. Ok, you don't like that, and that's why you ban it. Ok, fine, that's freedom in your slavic culture.
2. They may be sold, but at least there are candidates from which you can choose any. Not in Russia (well, there are, but... you know... Putin-Medvedev... Medvedev-Putin... and if it doesn't work, let's manipulate elections...).
3. Look, if you don't like what I think, it's fine. You can say whatever you want, I'm not going to talk about this again, but it looks like MSM Russian Propaganda IMO (hey, they have it too!)
It looks like viedorkolis went and got himself a sock puppet.
The point is, both, you and I, have been voted quite negatively. The truth is that there's a lot of people over here that are not really anti-government, they are anti-US government. Maybe that's just because they haven't lived there, I relly don't know.
PS: I don't want to be offensive, really. If someone is bothered by my comments, I'm sorry for that.
lol stop apologizing, up and down arrows really mean squat.
@ rising sun
you're so full of shit, while Russia "bullies" you, the land of the free, home of the brave, kills people all over the globe. so, you get a clue.
the great leader Putin, now bloggers are required to register with the government - RisingSun
My take on that is that Putin is trying to prevent another western style Spring... this one a Russian Spring. In fact, it wasn't to long ago that the USA/State Dept got its hand caught in the cookie jar doing just that. Remember?
And of course, leave to the filthy U.S. to use that filthy "Pussy Riot" in the Russian Spring angle. Because, you know, that's democracy!
You don't see us moving there do you? In my humble opinion, the US is the Police State Bully posing as a spreader of democracy. We know the CIA/NGO has tentacles in most every country pushing their agenda. We don't like that. Putin has character (as an example http://www.russiaotherpointsofview.com/2014/04/russia-report-putin-.html) I think he made sure that Crimea remained a Russian port AFTER the problems arose in Ukraine. He would have been foolish not to.
Oh yeah, forgot to mention: I am ashamed of my country.
Yes, Anita, all nation's governments are corrupt. That is why empires are always depicted as beasts of prey. No nation chooses a vegetarian animal as its mascot.
In the US, we get to make comments on ZH, and in China, ZH would be banned, yes you're right. Eventually, our comments here will be used as evidence against us by Homeland Security- "Did you make this comment?" We tracked you to this computer, admit it! You are an enemy of the state!" etc.
Russia didn't send in agents to destabilize Ukraine. The US did. Russia is not trying to encircle the US with missiles. But the US IS trying to encirce Russia with missiles. Russia is not trying to sieze control of the middle east. But USrael is. The Ukraine has been taken over by the strangest combination of Zionists and Nazis, but then again, cooperation between the two groups is historical and ongoing.
Energy and the economy and the Zionist dream of Eretz Israel are all connected. Ukraine is just part of the big picture. I think most people here either intuitively or cognitively understand who the aggressor is, and it is not Russia, hence the sympathy towards that nation.
And I said in my comment that I agreed with the point that the US was the agressor, but I also said that I did not trusted Russian's government and I think they don't act the same way the US does just because they are not powerful enough to do it.
Don't get me wrong, I don't trust any government, I don't like how the US is acting. But neither I trust Russia and the way their country works make me think they are worse, just they are can't do it because they are not capable enough to do it (building an empire is very expensive, don't you think so?)
Yes, i suppose you're right, if Russia were in a position to attain global control, it might try, just like the US is trying now. I just wonder if it is true that the Russian system is "worse" than the US system.
In the US, we claim to follow a constitution, but we don't. In the US, our foreign policy is controlled by a foriegn nation, giving a whole new meaning to the term "foriegn policy". In the US, we claim to have a system of free enterprise, but in reality, economic policy is centrally planned by the FED. In the US, we caim to have a government of the people, but in reality, we are controlled by coporation who hire the politicians. in the US, culture and media is supposedly free, but in reality, both are controlled by a particular minority that ruthlessly suppresses all dissent, save that which exists on the internet. As for culture, the minority promotes filth and morally degrading fare almost exclusively, in an effort to sap the moral strength of the American populace. This is true in print, music, radio, and visual media- ie across the board.
Does corruption exist in Russia? Of course. But I think it would be hard to characterize it a "worse" than the corruption in the US. In Russia, the corruption is more blatant. In the US, lip service is given to an ideal, and in reality that ideal is subverted. The same ideals are not trumpeted in Russia with the same moralizing tone adopted by the US. I would have to say that the hypocrisy factor is higher in the US than in Russia, but there is no metric for that, just my opinion.
Perhaps an analogy is on order. The Sanhedrin espoused a lofy ideal, but were inwardly corrupt. As a ruling body, they are guilty of condemning and killing only one man, and yet, that crime of hypocrisy is the greatest crime ever committed in human history. Rome, on the other hand, was an old hand at the ruthless slaughter of many thousands who opposed her will, and made no bones about it. Yet her crime is lost in the whole bloody history of human atrocity. Unfortunately, I am afraid the US is in the position of a lamb that begins to speak as a dragon.