Arms Trade Treaty: What Is It And Why Does It Matter?

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The right to bear arms in the United States has been and continues to be one of the most hotly debated pieces of legislation in our modern era. But, as Nicole Pontius of CamCode notes, the reality is that gun laws and arms regulation is not simply a human rights issue and it certainly does not only affect the U.S. Arms regulation also impacts national security, economic interests, global commerce and foreign policy. As Pontius adds, the latest political solution to help improve international arms regulation is the ATT, or the Arms Trade Treaty. Among a number of potential benefits of the ATT, this treaty would require governments to report all arms sales, thus preventing the sale and transfer of weapons likely to be used in violation of human rights all around the world. We wanted to take a closer look at this important piece of legislation - this infographic answers what it is, who is involved, and why we need it.




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Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:09 | 5151444 NOTaREALmerican
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Them goddamn UN lovin pansy euro commie watermelon liberals are gonna have us driving those girly-man euro cars before this is all over.  

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:11 | 5151455 Timmay
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Why aren't "killer flying robots" on the list??

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:14 | 5151471 UP Forester
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They're not a 'human rights violation', cuz you can't see them coming, unlike the impending troll attack....

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:16 | 5151475 mvsjcl
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Is this article a Zero Hedge joke?

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:22 | 5151500 NOTaREALmerican
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Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:24 | 5151511 BurningFuld
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Personal Nukes. There is no other way.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:33 | 5151539 El Vaquero
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Only if I can have a personal rocket that will take me up into orbit. 

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:49 | 5151598 McMolotov
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I say we take off in your personal rocket and personal nuke the entire site of DC from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 20:31 | 5151972 MalteseFalcon
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The UN is not taking private American guns.  The US government can sign any UN small arms treaty it wants, the guns are not going anywhere.

Drugs are completely illegal.  Need any drugs?

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:24 | 5153338 N2OJoe
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"...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."


Wed, 08/27/2014 - 21:08 | 5152084 Lost Word
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Any weapon permitted to be used by the Police or the Infantry

ought to be permitted to be used by the Citizens.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 21:33 | 5152167 e_goldstein
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Claymores, 'cause those fucking kids still won't stay off my lawn.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 23:01 | 5152453 UP Forester
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Try fougasse, they'll run off your lawn before they burn to a crisp.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:57 | 5153392 N2OJoe
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Claymore is more of a booby trap than small arms(personally I place booby traps in the same category as NBC weaps as they kill indiscriminately), though grenades, RPGs, and explosives in general should be fair game.

Sure you could make one illegaly but you could do that now if you were so inclined.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 01:00 | 5152645 TheReplacement
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Sure, use claymores on kids.  Enjoy your death penalty.  Remember, rule of law and stuff?

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 19:21 | 5151698 WhackoWarner
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i AGREE. I like my wristband nuclear device.  Garbage man pisses me? I drone him. For more personal offence I use my wristband launcher.  Range is only 2 blocks but I am working on it.

I go to the driving range daily and practice launches weekly.  Soon to be armed and loaded.  God bless the arms industry.

sarc is now off.

This is a Narco, US dollar war. This is big bucks and big banks and all of the hired golfers.  Let's destroy the world and see if our caves survive.  Stole all the gold of Ukraine. Soros,,,banks and golfing buddies.

If I was Obama I would live in shame every second of my remaining life for what the fuck I condoned.

Good luck.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 19:29 | 5151729 WhackoWarner
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If I was Obama or a voter in the US I would live in shame for all I ignored and condoned. I would live in shame for all my complacent comments as opposed to any action.

There are 300 million people who could do something, All I hear is talk.  When the fuck are you going to rein in your idiots????? I think never.  Welcome to your future soup kitchen and bed under the bridge.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 11:59 | 5154033 aminorex
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Actually, it is now possible to construct a low-yield fusion explosive device using materials available from a hardware store.  The technology just hasn't come into wide distribution yet.  So we will have personal nukes, if we want them, in the near future, arms control notwithstanding.


Wed, 08/27/2014 - 19:34 | 5151723 The Wizard
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It's not a joke, ZH is trying to show they are well balanced, just like FOX.

A registered firearm is public property and subject to government control. A privately manufactured firearm within a state does not need to be registered and is private property. There is a big difference between the two. Keep your firearms private and under the original intent of the second amendment.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 20:53 | 5152035 Lost Word
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No, not a joke, ZH is just reporting upon the actions of the Enemy.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:16 | 5151472 john39
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so, the MIC is just going to agree to disclose all its sleazy arms sales all over the planet? of course it is... that would be the law right?

and of course the government would just be doing its duty to require citizens to document every purchase and sale of guns (or ammo)... treaty obligation and all....

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:26 | 5151518 TheFourthStooge-ing
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All the more hilarious because the US only considers treaty obligations when they can be exploited for short term advantage.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 02:35 | 5152761 Urban Redneck
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Selective enforcement... the CIA will do whatever it wants, but the law will most certainly apply to the serfs if TPTB desire it.
"It's just a piece of paper"

Art 2 Sec 2 Cl 2

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

But that doesn't mean Harry Bunghole is above calling a midnight session of the Senate to pass one out.

Edit: As long as we're talking about Harry and the big game... it's actually to overturn the Supreme Court's precedent in Reid v. Covert, and then that midnight treaty option gets really interesting.
I think the more interesting question (with respect to ATT) is--
What is a treaty under INTERNATIONAL law?

The ATT's amendment by majority issue and the undefined terms get a lot of press, but what doesn't get as much attention is that while the international TAXATION has been removed from the current version of the treaty. However, the framework and infrastructure to support future taxation remain in the treaty, which makes those undefined terms and simple amendment process much more troubling.

What the EUcrats in Brussels have achieved by Treaty could very well be the road-map certain parties are working from, other than the obvious independence from the "generosity" of member States (and the United States in particular).

Where's Ghordius?
The ATT is a small part of larger game, but the the threat to 2nd amendment rights is real, especially if unconventional judicial interpretation spreads. From something I posted earlier-


The consequences of this broader ignorance of international law by Americans will be extremely expensive for all Americans. The fight right now is to extend the canon of jus inter gentes to include the ATT. The issue of granting supra-national taxing authority to the Secretariat (where the US has no veto) has been dropped from the formal discussions of the treaty, but the dependent financial organ suspiciously remains in the treaty text, which can be amended by simple majority consent. The doctrine of living tree judicial interpretation is being simultaneously advanced in the United States, which would serve as a basis for reinterpreting the Supremacy Clause to render Reid v. Covert a moot decision.

Once this goal is achieved the Durban plank of UNFCCC can be implemented (TPTB are hoping that they don't have to postpone the current 2015 deadline). In short, while roughly 50% of Americans want Obamaphones and 50% of Americans think Obamaphones are an Obamination, they can both look forward to collectively footing the bill for well over 6 billion foreign Obamaphone recipients. The fool who thought Obama was going to pay her mortgage is going to be in for a rude awakening when she finds herself having to pay for Obama's half-brother's mortgage, but such is the cost of ignorance of the development of international law.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:48 | 5151595 nmewn
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So only governments could be "legally" armed with whatever they want?

What could possibly go wrong? ;-)

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 19:03 | 5151646 UP Forester
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Millions of 'illegally armed rebels' picking off blue-hats away from megalopolisii?

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 19:07 | 5151658 nmewn
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The poor Bangladeshi's have no idea ;-)

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 20:57 | 5152044 Lost Word
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Usually the Russians are said to be the new Foreign power enforcement in the totalitarian USA.

Youtube reports of Russians already in the USA.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 19:10 | 5151665 youngman
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The way they are all signing up for Obamacare and its information is oh so good...I see no problem a joke...but the lefties with the personal security love it..

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 12:24 | 5154179 Mesquite
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Sorta like those 350 small nukes that went out the back door...

Oh, wait...

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 09:52 | 5158115 fallout11
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Laws only apply to the "little people", it is just-us. 

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:13 | 5151464 Bloppy
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You mean the Prius or the Tesla?


Elsewhere: Senator Kirsten Gillibrand says she's been sexually harrassed but won't name the culprits:

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:09 | 5151446 TheSecondLaw
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Rich coming from the US, which makes more war than any other country. So fucking obvious what's going on here.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:13 | 5151447 ebworthen
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This from a bar-code asset management company.

Gee, wonder why they support this?  Hmmmm... 

What a bunch of crap.  A "treaty" won't do a damn thing.

"Camcode offers more permanent and durable label solutions for UID applications than anyone. Our UID label materials are the most widely specified in the defense industry, and are continually trusted to provide permanent and durable unique identification that lasts a lifetime."


Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:21 | 5151495 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Nicole Pontius of Camcode explains why we* need it.


*We, of course, referring to Camcode's shareholders. Fuck everyone else, right Nicole?

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 01:03 | 5152649 TheReplacement
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So... who's keep the list of names of criminals?

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 19:25 | 5151714 Buckaroo Banzai
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The UN is a fucking worthless pile of shit. A sinkhole of squalor and corruption. Anything that comes out of there, you don't want.

I didn't need a colorful, overdesigned infographic to tell me that. A picture of a giant shitstain would have done nicely.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:12 | 5151459 Duc888
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Governments kill more civilians than the other way around.


We need some serious fucking Government Control treaties.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 19:18 | 5151690 Buckaroo Banzai
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In fact, governments and their agents have been responsible for 99.99% of all murders in the last, oh, 3 centuries at least.

If you are murdered, it is overwhelmingly likely it will be at the hands of some government, and most likely your own.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 20:01 | 5151852 Raymond K Hessel
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Hence, the Bill of Rights.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 21:54 | 5152251 Laddie
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Professor R.J. Rummel on the subject of democide, and asked how many scoreboards would be required to list the 170,000,000 disarmed people who had been killed by despotic governments during the 20th Century

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:16 | 5151476 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Stupid article with utterly zero credibility. Twenty billion dollars lost annually due to corruption in the defense industry?

For fuck's sake, that's not even a rounding error.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:17 | 5151482 Ex Cathedra
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Anyone dumb enough to believe John Bolton on anything is a total douche-fuck idiot.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:27 | 5151521 Real Estate Geek
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Well he's right about this one.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 19:03 | 5151647 acetinker
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Yes, he is.  Twice in as many weeks I've found myself agreeing with the CFR as well.  WTF?

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 19:13 | 5151677 BlindMonkey
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It happens. You will get over it with time. And therapy.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 23:00 | 5152442 acetinker
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The hedge IS my therapy. Just now, some dipshit at the NSA will see me as IS, or ISIS, or ISIL, and I really don't give a fuck.  I wish things could be better for my children, though.

My country creates enemies to fight, and then claims no prior knowledge.

My head hurts, does yours?

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 15:00 | 5155142 BlindMonkey
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Alcohol. Nope. All good here.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 19:19 | 5151694 Buckaroo Banzai
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Stopped clocks, etc.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:23 | 5151487 Real Estate Geek
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The negotiators were pointedly told of concerns that Second Amendment rights would be restricted by this treaty and its tracking / registration requirements.  They were also given numerous opportunities to limit the scope of the treaty to address those specific concerns, and they refused.  Therefore, it's their goal to use the ATT to restrict / eliminate our gun rights.  QED.

We're not as dumb as those motherfuckers think.  We know that the ONLY reason to register, is to facilitate eventual confiscation. 

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:30 | 5151489 TomGa
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"The right to bear arms in the United States has been and continues to be one of the most hotly debated pieces of legislation in our modern era."


WTF????  "Piece of legislation"???  "Continues to be hotly debated"???  Who wrote this crap? 

Has this person ever heard of the Bill of Rights which codifies and further protects rights which existed prior to the drafting of the Constitution including the individual right to "keep and bear arms"?


Fortunately, Reid v. Covert, 354 US 1 (1957), makes the ATT moot with respect to 2A as SCOTUS explicitly held that the obligations of even a fully ratified treaty may never trump the Constitution.

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