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Arms Trade Treaty: What Is It And Why Does It Matter?

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The right to bear arms in the United States has been and continues to be one of the most hotly debated pieces of legislation in our modern era. But, as Nicole Pontius of CamCode notes, the reality is that gun laws and arms regulation is not simply a human rights issue and it certainly does not only affect the U.S. Arms regulation also impacts national security, economic interests, global commerce and foreign policy. As Pontius adds, the latest political solution to help improve international arms regulation is the ATT, or the Arms Trade Treaty. Among a number of potential benefits of the ATT, this treaty would require governments to report all arms sales, thus preventing the sale and transfer of weapons likely to be used in violation of human rights all around the world. We wanted to take a closer look at this important piece of legislation - this infographic answers what it is, who is involved, and why we need it.

 


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Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:09 | 5151444 NOTaREALmerican
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Them goddamn UN lovin pansy euro commie watermelon liberals are gonna have us driving those girly-man euro cars before this is all over.  

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:11 | 5151455 Timmay
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Why aren't "killer flying robots" on the list??

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:14 | 5151471 UP Forester
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They're not a 'human rights violation', cuz you can't see them coming, unlike the impending troll attack....

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:16 | 5151475 mvsjcl
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Is this article a Zero Hedge joke?

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:22 | 5151500 NOTaREALmerican
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Well...  

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:24 | 5151511 BurningFuld
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Personal Nukes. There is no other way.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:33 | 5151539 El Vaquero
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Only if I can have a personal rocket that will take me up into orbit. 

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:49 | 5151598 McMolotov
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I say we take off in your personal rocket and personal nuke the entire site of DC from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 20:31 | 5151972 MalteseFalcon
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The UN is not taking private American guns.  The US government can sign any UN small arms treaty it wants, the guns are not going anywhere.

Drugs are completely illegal.  Need any drugs?

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:24 | 5153338 N2OJoe
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"...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Nope, no conflict here. Remember people "NO ONE WANTS TO TAKE YOUR GUNS" and "IF YOU LIKE YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT, YOU CAN KEEP IT."

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 21:08 | 5152084 Lost Word
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Any weapon permitted to be used by the Police or the Infantry

ought to be permitted to be used by the Citizens.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 21:33 | 5152167 e_goldstein
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Claymores, 'cause those fucking kids still won't stay off my lawn.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 23:01 | 5152453 UP Forester
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Try fougasse, they'll run off your lawn before they burn to a crisp.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:57 | 5153392 N2OJoe
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Claymore is more of a booby trap than small arms(personally I place booby traps in the same category as NBC weaps as they kill indiscriminately), though grenades, RPGs, and explosives in general should be fair game.

Sure you could make one illegaly but you could do that now if you were so inclined.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 01:00 | 5152645 TheReplacement
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Sure, use claymores on kids.  Enjoy your death penalty.  Remember, rule of law and stuff?

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 19:21 | 5151698 WhackoWarner
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i AGREE. I like my wristband nuclear device.  Garbage man pisses me? I drone him. For more personal offence I use my wristband launcher.  Range is only 2 blocks but I am working on it.

I go to the driving range daily and practice launches weekly.  Soon to be armed and loaded.  God bless the arms industry.

sarc is now off.

This is a Narco, US dollar war. This is big bucks and big banks and all of the hired golfers.  Let's destroy the world and see if our caves survive.  Stole all the gold of Ukraine. Soros,,,banks and golfing buddies.

If I was Obama I would live in shame every second of my remaining life for what the fuck I condoned.

Good luck.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 19:29 | 5151729 WhackoWarner
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I REPEAT FOR ALL THE SLOW FUCKING LEARNERS IN THE USA...

If I was Obama or a voter in the US I would live in shame for all I ignored and condoned. I would live in shame for all my complacent comments as opposed to any action.

There are 300 million people who could do something, All I hear is talk.  When the fuck are you going to rein in your idiots????? I think never.  Welcome to your future soup kitchen and bed under the bridge.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 11:59 | 5154033 aminorex
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Actually, it is now possible to construct a low-yield fusion explosive device using materials available from a hardware store.  The technology just hasn't come into wide distribution yet.  So we will have personal nukes, if we want them, in the near future, arms control notwithstanding.

 

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 19:34 | 5151723 The Wizard
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It's not a joke, ZH is trying to show they are well balanced, just like FOX.

A registered firearm is public property and subject to government control. A privately manufactured firearm within a state does not need to be registered and is private property. There is a big difference between the two. Keep your firearms private and under the original intent of the second amendment.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 20:53 | 5152035 Lost Word
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No, not a joke, ZH is just reporting upon the actions of the Enemy.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:16 | 5151472 john39
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so, the MIC is just going to agree to disclose all its sleazy arms sales all over the planet? of course it is... that would be the law right?

and of course the government would just be doing its duty to require citizens to document every purchase and sale of guns (or ammo)... treaty obligation and all....

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:26 | 5151518 TheFourthStooge-ing
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All the more hilarious because the US only considers treaty obligations when they can be exploited for short term advantage.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 02:35 | 5152761 Urban Redneck
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Selective enforcement... the CIA will do whatever it wants, but the law will most certainly apply to the serfs if TPTB desire it.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-21/obama-explains-why-even-if-you-...
"It's just a piece of paper"

Art 2 Sec 2 Cl 2

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

But that doesn't mean Harry Bunghole is above calling a midnight session of the Senate to pass one out.

Edit: As long as we're talking about Harry and the big game... it's actually to overturn the Supreme Court's precedent in Reid v. Covert, and then that midnight treaty option gets really interesting.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-21/obama-explains-why-even-if-you-...
I think the more interesting question (with respect to ATT) is--
What is a treaty under INTERNATIONAL law?

The ATT's amendment by majority issue and the undefined terms get a lot of press, but what doesn't get as much attention is that while the international TAXATION has been removed from the current version of the treaty. However, the framework and infrastructure to support future taxation remain in the treaty, which makes those undefined terms and simple amendment process much more troubling.

What the EUcrats in Brussels have achieved by Treaty could very well be the road-map certain parties are working from, other than the obvious independence from the "generosity" of member States (and the United States in particular).

Where's Ghordius?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-13/biggest-winner-obama-reelection...
The ATT is a small part of larger game, but the the threat to 2nd amendment rights is real, especially if unconventional judicial interpretation spreads. From something I posted earlier-

THE TYRANNY OF THE MAJORITY OF CURRENT NATION STATES EXPLICITLY SEEK TO PUT THE UNITED STATES "IN ITS PROPER PLACE" THROUGH THE TERMS INCLUDED IN THE CURRENT MAJOR MULTILATERAL TREATIES UNDER NEGOTIATION.

The consequences of this broader ignorance of international law by Americans will be extremely expensive for all Americans. The fight right now is to extend the canon of jus inter gentes to include the ATT. The issue of granting supra-national taxing authority to the Secretariat (where the US has no veto) has been dropped from the formal discussions of the treaty, but the dependent financial organ suspiciously remains in the treaty text, which can be amended by simple majority consent. The doctrine of living tree judicial interpretation is being simultaneously advanced in the United States, which would serve as a basis for reinterpreting the Supremacy Clause to render Reid v. Covert a moot decision.

Once this goal is achieved the Durban plank of UNFCCC can be implemented (TPTB are hoping that they don't have to postpone the current 2015 deadline). In short, while roughly 50% of Americans want Obamaphones and 50% of Americans think Obamaphones are an Obamination, they can both look forward to collectively footing the bill for well over 6 billion foreign Obamaphone recipients. The fool who thought Obama was going to pay her mortgage is going to be in for a rude awakening when she finds herself having to pay for Obama's half-brother's mortgage, but such is the cost of ignorance of the development of international law.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:48 | 5151595 nmewn
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So only governments could be "legally" armed with whatever they want?

What could possibly go wrong? ;-)

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 19:03 | 5151646 UP Forester
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Millions of 'illegally armed rebels' picking off blue-hats away from megalopolisii?

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 19:07 | 5151658 nmewn
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The poor Bangladeshi's have no idea ;-)

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 20:57 | 5152044 Lost Word
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Usually the Russians are said to be the new Foreign power enforcement in the totalitarian USA.

Youtube reports of Russians already in the USA.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 19:10 | 5151665 youngman
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The way they are all signing up for Obamacare and its information is oh so good...I see no problem here...lol..what a joke...but the lefties with the personal security love it..

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 12:24 | 5154179 Mesquite
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Sorta like those 350 small nukes that went out the back door...

Oh, wait...

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 09:52 | 5158115 fallout11
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Laws only apply to the "little people", it is just-us. 

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:13 | 5151464 Bloppy
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You mean the Prius or the Tesla?

 

Elsewhere: Senator Kirsten Gillibrand says she's been sexually harrassed but won't name the culprits:

http://tinyurl.com/mg2utx7

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:09 | 5151446 TheSecondLaw
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Rich coming from the US, which makes more war than any other country. So fucking obvious what's going on here.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:13 | 5151447 ebworthen
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This from a bar-code asset management company.

Gee, wonder why they support this?  Hmmmm... 

What a bunch of crap.  A "treaty" won't do a damn thing.

"Camcode offers more permanent and durable label solutions for UID applications than anyone. Our UID label materials are the most widely specified in the defense industry, and are continually trusted to provide permanent and durable unique identification that lasts a lifetime."

http://www.camcode.com/uid-labels.html

Assholes.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:21 | 5151495 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Nicole Pontius of Camcode explains why we* need it.

 

*We, of course, referring to Camcode's shareholders. Fuck everyone else, right Nicole?

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 01:03 | 5152649 TheReplacement
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So... who's keep the list of names of criminals?

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 19:25 | 5151714 Buckaroo Banzai
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The UN is a fucking worthless pile of shit. A sinkhole of squalor and corruption. Anything that comes out of there, you don't want.

I didn't need a colorful, overdesigned infographic to tell me that. A picture of a giant shitstain would have done nicely.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:12 | 5151459 Duc888
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Governments kill more civilians than the other way around.

 

We need some serious fucking Government Control treaties.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 19:18 | 5151690 Buckaroo Banzai
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In fact, governments and their agents have been responsible for 99.99% of all murders in the last, oh, 3 centuries at least.

If you are murdered, it is overwhelmingly likely it will be at the hands of some government, and most likely your own.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 20:01 | 5151852 Raymond K Hessel
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Hence, the Bill of Rights.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 21:54 | 5152251 Laddie
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Professor R.J. Rummel on the subject of democide, and asked how many scoreboards would be required to list the 170,000,000 disarmed people who had been killed by despotic governments during the 20th Century

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:16 | 5151476 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Stupid article with utterly zero credibility. Twenty billion dollars lost annually due to corruption in the defense industry?

For fuck's sake, that's not even a rounding error.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:17 | 5151482 Ex Cathedra
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Anyone dumb enough to believe John Bolton on anything is a total douche-fuck idiot.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:27 | 5151521 Real Estate Geek
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Well he's right about this one.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 19:03 | 5151647 acetinker
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Yes, he is.  Twice in as many weeks I've found myself agreeing with the CFR as well.  WTF?

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 19:13 | 5151677 BlindMonkey
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It happens. You will get over it with time. And therapy.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 23:00 | 5152442 acetinker
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The hedge IS my therapy. Just now, some dipshit at the NSA will see me as IS, or ISIS, or ISIL, and I really don't give a fuck.  I wish things could be better for my children, though.

My country creates enemies to fight, and then claims no prior knowledge.

My head hurts, does yours?

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 15:00 | 5155142 BlindMonkey
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Alcohol. Nope. All good here.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 19:19 | 5151694 Buckaroo Banzai
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Stopped clocks, etc.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:23 | 5151487 Real Estate Geek
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The negotiators were pointedly told of concerns that Second Amendment rights would be restricted by this treaty and its tracking / registration requirements.  They were also given numerous opportunities to limit the scope of the treaty to address those specific concerns, and they refused.  Therefore, it's their goal to use the ATT to restrict / eliminate our gun rights.  QED.

We're not as dumb as those motherfuckers think.  We know that the ONLY reason to register, is to facilitate eventual confiscation. 

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:30 | 5151489 TomGa
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"The right to bear arms in the United States has been and continues to be one of the most hotly debated pieces of legislation in our modern era."

 

WTF????  "Piece of legislation"???  "Continues to be hotly debated"???  Who wrote this crap? 

Has this person ever heard of the Bill of Rights which codifies and further protects rights which existed prior to the drafting of the Constitution including the individual right to "keep and bear arms"?

 

Fortunately, Reid v. Covert, 354 US 1 (1957), makes the ATT moot with respect to 2A as SCOTUS explicitly held that the obligations of even a fully ratified treaty may never trump the Constitution.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:29 | 5151533 Real Estate Geek
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Mooting is a legal concept relevant only to a government that respects laws, precedent, court rulings, etc.  'Our' government doesn't.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:54 | 5151614 nmewn
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And oddly enough, summary executions are an extra-legal concept for known traitors ;-)

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 02:39 | 5152763 Urban Redneck
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Don't bet on it. There is a very sophisticated legal game afoot.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:21 | 5151501 SILVERGEDDON
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What a bunch of fucking Klingon Cocksuckers from Uranus. 

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:25 | 5151509 SILVERGEDDON
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Because the Second Amendment is a bedrock part of the Constitution, not a piece of corrupt bullshit fake government legislation, for starters.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:23 | 5151503 Oldballplayer
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Yeah. Nice treaty ya got there.

But it won't get past the front door of the Senate, let alone two thirds.

Waste of bandwidth.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 21:14 | 5152098 New_Meat
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who said that the due process was in effect?

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:25 | 5151512 Choose Sanity
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Given the very real trend toward a nasty police state here, there and everywhere... No thanks.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:24 | 5151513 NumNutt
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Soooo....They will be tracking things like the United States failed gun running operations to Mexican drug lords?

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:29 | 5151530 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Soooo....They will be tracking things like the United States failed gun running operations to Mexican drug lords?

Absolutely!

Unless, of course, someone's hard drive crashes and then falls into a wood chipper. But other than that, you bet!

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:46 | 5151589 UP Forester
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They track those weapons through the sound of gunfire.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:28 | 5151517 Eager Beaver
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This is a steaming pile of beaver shit. Any arms treaty coming out of the UN, or anywhere else for that matter, has one goal, and it's not to prevent human rights violations. The governments who subscribe to this will of course use it to track arms purchases among those populations who still have the privilege, while they continue to spread death and destruction around the world. That's why they ("we") need this.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:33 | 5151543 NoTTD
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I'm going to assume that the lead in "and why we need it"  was a thin attempt at sarcasm.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:42 | 5151571 Chupacabra-322
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Extraordinary! Please start by knocking on the door of the headquarters in Langley Virginia.

The CIA was formerly called the OSS which was a subsidiary of the British SIS (MI6) set up in London. the SIS was set up by the Bank of England.

The CIA, Federal Reserve and the London Connection.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

"The OSS was actually set up by four members of the British Chief of Staff: Lord Louis Mountbatten (formerly Battenberg), a cousin of the King, and related to the Frankfort banking families. Rothschild and Cassel; Charles Hambro, director of Special Operations Executive, and director of Hambros Bank; Col.Stewart Menzies, head of Secret Intelligence Service; and William Stephenson, in charge of SIS American operations." - page 140,

World Order (Our Secret Rulers) written by American historian, author, and speaker Eustace Mullins.

https://archive.org/details/Eu...

"The "American" secret service was never anything but a British operation.directed at all levels by representatives of the British Crown. OSS agents received advanced training for the European theater at Bletchley Park, British espionage headquarters. This site was chosen because it was only ten mBes from Woburn Abbey, where Lord Beaverbrook' s agent, Sefton Delmer, operated the British "dirty tricks" center and other propaganda activities. Woburn Abbey was the ancestral home of the Duke of Bedford, Marquess of Tavistock. The British Bureau of Psychological, Warfare operated as the Tavistock Institute. "

page 141 World Order (Our Secret Rulers) written by American historian, author, and speaker Eustace Mullins.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:44 | 5151578 Fuku Ben
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Looks like more globalist peace pipe smoke being blown up the ass of your 2nd Amendment

If the Communists, Fascists, Terrorists and Traitors are successful say sayonara to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness forever

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:46 | 5151585 New_Meat
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methinks that so-called "fast and furious"  operations will get the fast track through this bureaucratic bs.

Thomas Watson, who had a good business with the punched cards product lines, sold such machines to all kinds of taxing authorities in the 1930s.  Those were used by all kinds of statists, world-wide, for all kinds of statist idealistic purposes.

You kids might wish to look up "Thomas Watson" and "punched cards" and "Hollerith Cards".

And see the outcomes of above excellent sales in all kinds of different situations.

- Ned

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 21:05 | 5152074 Lost Word
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Reported that Watson and IBM sold their products to the Nazis in the 1930's.

I don't know the purpose for which the products were used by the Nazis.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 18:52 | 5151610 q99x2
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Hitler took the guns. Stalin took the guns. Mao took the guns.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 19:00 | 5151633 griffey247
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That interview was epic.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 21:35 | 5152169 Laddie
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You got 2 out of 3 right, however Nazi Germany did not ban guns, in fact they LOOSENED the Weimar republic's gun laws.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 23:07 | 5152466 UP Forester
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Nobody said they banned guns, just took guns.  And only from certain sections of the population.  The sections that later realized why, up close and in living color.

But registration came first.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 19:34 | 5151751 dkjm
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Get real. Most arms trading of significance is done covertly and illegally outside of all regulatory channels. This legislation will do nothing to stop that practice by the three biggest arms traders, the U.S., Russia, and E.U. For them it will be business as usual. 

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 19:54 | 5151822 Croesus
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Exactly: 

The already-corrupt, have signed a treaty in order to fight their own corruption.

Moar of the same.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 20:06 | 5151878 Raymond K Hessel
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It will take away guns from people and leave them defenseless against cops, troopers, criminals, soldiers, FEMA, TSA, and IRS.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 20:06 | 5151882 UP Forester
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Fascism depends on laws and selective enforcement thereof.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 20:02 | 5151855 Oldwood
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Government NEVER acts in the interest of individual people. At best they act in the interest of the collective which is a tortured set of statistics that still ultimately only really benefit the governing elite. I want all these fuckers carrying Obama's clubs, every day, weekends, Christmas. I never want to see another one of these sons a bitches in their office legislating anything ever again.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 20:20 | 5151933 SmittyinLA
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The US govt is lettign Israelis arm the Mexican mafia across America, guns are out "gun kits" are in.

Gun kits come with no paperwork to bog down illegal aliens and gangsters.

While they push gun control they arm and release criminals and terrorists. 

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 21:38 | 5152185 Seize Mars
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SmittyinLA

Dipshit, the US government is the Israelis.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 20:29 | 5151970 teslaberry
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i'm quitting my job as a lawyer and going to become a high tech automated weapons engineer.

 

anyone have any advice? what would you like me to build? 

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 23:09 | 5152469 UP Forester
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Pneumatic weapons, operated by a scuba tank.

Don't have to deal with all the pesky ATF restrictions.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 20:53 | 5152034 steelrules
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Canada refuses to sign and I hope it stays that way.

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 21:26 | 5152123 Laddie
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I want to tell my fellow ZH readers and posters that Obama signed the UN arms treaty a year ago. Recently he stated he wants Australian gun laws for the US. The elites and their paid henchmen want the historic American people, the white Christians, DISARMED. I will let you ponder why that might be.

May I urge you to join the NRA ASAP. And if you can afford it also the Gun Owners of America. However the NRA is the Big Guy On the Block and is the ONLY reason we can still buy effective self-defense firearms with standard capacity magazines today.

http://www.nrahq.org/
http://gunowners.org/

http://www.gundigest.com/article/ObamaExpose/

He who wants your gun, is your enemy.

http://censorbugbear-reports.blogspot.com/

I put my faith in God and the Mauser
~Boer General Ben Viljoen

'You must carry your gun and your Bible together at once'
~ Afrikaner Werner Selzer, 2010

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 21:51 | 5152241 HK21E
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+1 This is good advice. The efforts of the NRA are the only reason residents of the People's Republic of Illinois now have CCW.

 

"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams

"To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason

 

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 23:16 | 5152492 UP Forester
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Sure, just be sure you're supporting the, er, 'correct' NRA.

http://jpfo.org/articles-assd02/nra-supported-nfa34.htm

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 21:36 | 5152181 Seize Mars
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Fuck the UN, fuck any power freaks who want to disarm you.

Anyone who is trying to disarm you is trying to kill you.

http://thezog.wordpress.com/who-is-behind-gun-control/

 

Wed, 08/27/2014 - 23:21 | 5152508 Seize Mars
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I can't let this go. Let's do a line-by-line here:

The right to bear arms in the United States has been and continues to be one of the most hotly debated pieces of legislation in our modern era.

The right to bear arms isn't legislation. It's in the Constitution.

But, as Nicole Pontius of CamCode notes, the reality is that gun laws and arms regulation is not simply a human rights issue and it certainly does not only affect the U.S.

No, it is simply a human rights issue. You have a fundamental right to defend yourself from your government.

Arms regulation also impacts national security, economic interests, global commerce and foreign policy.

I don't care.

As Pontius adds, the latest political solution to help improve international arms regulation is the ATT, or the Arms Trade Treaty.

The latest political solution to help improve regulations? Wait, improve regulations of...my rights? You can't regulate rights. They're rights.

Among a number of potential benefits of the ATT, this treaty would require governments to report all arms sales, thus preventing the sale and transfer of weapons likely to be used in violation of human rights all around the world.

Thus preventing the sale of weapons likely to be used in violation of human rights? What? Ok, look. It's full-on illegal to have guns in Chicago, so that's the CFR/Trilateral/UN dream come true. Yet somehow, there are shootings every day. So the illegal, unconstitutional restriction on gun ownership in Chicago hasn't seemed to help the, um, "violations of human rights," i.e. killing. In fact quite the opposite, it guarantees that only the bad guys can shoot. And they do.

We wanted to take a closer look at this important piece of legislation - this infographic answers what it is, who is involved, and why we need it.

Is there a mouse in your pocket? Who is "we?" I don't need it, don't want it, and won't have it.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 06:01 | 5152904 hairInTheSoup
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i don't care you yankees jerking off at home on your beautiful & shiny guns as long as you don't kill anything with it

i care weaponary it's the first eco sector in france/usa/uk...

i care western government create wars all over the world so they can, among other things, sell more weapons.

i care the main job of many western gvt is to sell weapons to other government of the worlds.

i'm tired of the hypocrisy of the media on this isssue (pushing the ban of guns for people in usa versus ignoring the previous facts)

i'm tired that you yankees don't get it and just perceive that issue only from your own tiny little perspective and end up with so stupid statement like "weapons are good for me".

weapons are bad, they kill people while making rich some psychopath mother fuckers.

humanity doesn't need weapons to overthrow corrupt governments, humanity needs to wake up to do that.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 04:07 | 5157412 Dane17
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Weapons are indeed "good for me".

You certainly have the "right" to remain defenseless. Good luck with that!

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 16:55 | 5160216 Trogdor
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In regards to your statement that (sic) "weapons kill people" I'm going to correct you: no, they don't.  People kill people.  I have a vault of weapons that have never harmed a hair on a single living thing - but they've "killed" a lot of paper, tin cans, clay pigeons, etc.  The purpose of a weapon (in the hands of a peaceful person) is to be a force equalizer - their presence can push a confrontation back into the realm of words and away from violence.  It's mostly in cases where only ONE side has the means (weapons) to impose their will on others that things get ugly.  I hope and pray that we "Yanks" never have to use our weapons in anger because I've been in war and it IS horrible - and the drivers behind those wars never suffer for one second, yet they benefit obscenely. 

I agree fully that the IDEAL situation is that people wake the fuck up and see what's happening - and that they refuse to comply with the psychopathic plans of the PTB ... unfortunately, there are a lot of people who happily comply even though they destroy their own future in the process.  The world will never change until we change the way we think, however until that time, should the psychopaths in our government decide that they want to violate every shred of trust that's been placed in them, I will be very glad that I have the means to resist to the best of my ability - no matter how pointless that may seem to you or someone with the  same attitudes.  Would I like to live in a world where there were no weapons?  Not really - because there will always be fists and rocks and sharp sticks and evil in men's hearts.  I'd rather live in a world where weapons aren't necessary because of the way we think and act towards one another.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 00:12 | 5152585 TheEndIsNear
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This kind of Bullshit makes me hesitant to recommend ZH to others.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:57 | 5160026 Trogdor
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I spoke at length with someone who sat in on the ATT negotiations, and in a nutshell, anyone who says they're not planning on disarming Americans is completely full of shit - and a fucking liar to boot. 

They FULLY intend on using it as a pretext to eliminate the 2nd Amendment.  This person told me that they deliberated extensively of how to sneak it in - and they were very proud of how "clever" they were going to be about it - how they would get it past the American people and it would be "too late" when they realized it's real intent.

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