This page has been archived and commenting is disabled.
Feeling Worthless? The 10 Majors Most Likely To Lead To Underemployment
When it comes to worthless majors, it is no secret that "liberal arts" are at the top of the heap. This is the conclusion of not just the real world: a recent survey of 68,000 workers by salary information firm PayScale confirmed as much when asking the humanities majors themselves, and where employees with degrees in fields like English, general studies, and graphic design were among the most likely to report feeling "underemployed" at their current jobs.
Also, that the list was topped of by Criminal Justice majors probably speaks more about the current captured state of US crony capitalism than anything else. But what is surprising is that graduates with more "practical" degrees in fields like business administration, ranking second in terms of pay dissatisfaction, also said their jobs didn't put their education, training or experience to work as much as they should. In other words, Wall Streeters thought they were underpaid. Actually did we say "surprising"... scratch that.
Some more from the WaPo:
Why the poor showing for business majors? PayScale notes that in many cases, a simple bachelor's degree in business might not get you very far - a more advanced degree like an MBA might be necessary "in order to set up recipients for jobs in their fields."
At the other end of the spectrum, STEM fields produced graduates with the least likelihood of underemployment. Engineering degrees accounted for six of the ten least underemployed majors. Law, physics, geology and mathematics made up the remaining four.
What causes workers to feel underemployed? Most survey respondents cited poor pay as a leading factor. PayScale also notes that "nine of the 10 most underemployed majors are female-dominated," making underemployment a factor in the gender wage gap. Conversely, many of the least underemployed majors are dominated by men, according to a 2013 Georgetown survey.
In total, about 43 percent of respondents to the PayScale survey reported feeling underemployed. It was unclear if the other 57% were just unemployed to begin with.
»
- 56735 reads
- Printer-friendly version
- Send to friend
- advertisements -
My major was Mechanical Engineering. And I can confirm that that degree has opened doors that otherwise would have been closed to me.
Don't ask me what my grades were like.
mine too..but I went to school when my class was filled to 80% with Iranians who got $70,000 a year to go to school in the USA....It was terrible and I was very angry at the time....I could not understand any question they asked...and they all got straight As...ruined the curve for us Gringos..
Iranians who got $70,000 a year to go to school in the USA
You would have thought they would have at least given them one roll of toilet paper.....but they didn't.
My old engineering professor would say "if it was easy, everyone could do it." I transitioned from engineering when all the jobs headed to Mexico. Of course I jumped to computer systems and all those jobs headed to India. I've managed to hang in there but I am leaning towards blacksmithing with a minor in gunsmithing after my kids go to college.
No mention of Affirmative Action or the endless alphabet visas bringing 3rd world workers to take jobs from American Whites, why Microsoft even uses the visas to import people who stock the warehouses in Redmond, WA. Zuckerberg another one. WaPo always a Cultural Marxist rag.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/07/17/microsoft-job-cuts/12772901/
there is a surplus – not a shortage – of American high-tech workers. Moreover, after a recent Census report found that "74% of those with a bachelor's degree in these subjects don't work in STEM (science, technology, engineering, math) jobs," the mainstream media may finally be catching on and taking away the high-tech industry's "free pass." CBS News, for instance, concluded that the Census data suggest the high-tech industry's contention that there is a shortage of American high-tech "is largely a myth."
Yes, but if you take your STEM to, say, India or Malaysia, you can be a King!
Dubai is a gold mine for A/C guys, too. I had a guy offer me big bucks working on A/C there, when he found out I knew automobile and hi-rise HVAC stuff.
I was making too much in gold smuggling with my partner Achmed, so I turned him down. It was a good offer.
Our biggest problem is obtaining gold paint for the tungsten.
I got a trade. I never sleep, but I work. Women has a highschool ed, her I.Q is off the charts and has done quite well as a rate analyst. Being born in the 70's helps. If you were born after 1990, you're fucked.
I've got 2 sons born in 1990 and 1991. One is in Med school and the other is getting his Phd in Genetics at Johns Hopkins. I think they are gonna be OK.
Good on ya Tabak!...as long as they also know how to fix a car, roof a house, and unplug a shitter, then yes, they will be OK..
Until single payer healthcare comes, then doctor son won't be making too much.
Dr have not really been treated nicely with Insurance companies in the mix.
The DR industry has been hampered with the God complex "these hands save lives, they don't do typing" as much as anything.
Obamacare fans, here is what you have been waiting for.
http://www.ahla.com/uploadedFiles/f1095a--dft.pdf
If you bought an Obamacare plan through hc.gov and received a premium subsidy or APTC, you will need to file form 1095-A with your taxes.
But wait, there's more.
You (and your tax adviser) might also be interested in form 8962
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-dft/f8962--dft.pdf
And you thought this was going to be easy.
Does one get an exemption if their hard drive crashed during the year?
Perhaps not an exemption, but clearly a "Get out of jail free" card.
I am sure I am not the only one to comment that "Law" degrees are next to worthless. Most end up as review attorneys reviewing documents all day. They may be fully employeed but they earn little. Only a small number of attorneys make big $$$.
Ever heard of an unemployed agronomist? Or an underemployed agronomist?
Well the pay is at minimum even for engineers and max work. http://goo.gl/cBNPiF
Basket weaving .... I dont see basket weaving... must be some kind of mistake
rayciss, they left out 'womens' studies!'
covered under Liberal Arts banner,
Enema nurse and zumba instructor ....
hooker?
edited......yeah......that would have gotten me nailgunned for sure.
Not ready to die today......come see me tomorrow.
I would no do ANY of those blue fields.
Fact of the matter is that you are going to study hard, work like a dog to be good in your field (STEM is HARD and yes I have a STEM Degree), have 50K in student loan debt, and in 5 years your job is going to go to Apu from the Quickie-Mart's brother-in-law whom he just brought over from India! H1B FTW!!!
This whole place (USSA) is fucking doomed.
IF I had to do it all again I would be in a trade like Electrician, Diesel Mechanic or Motorcycle Mechanic. Can't be outsourced and you can run your own off the books business doing this stuff easily and make a good living. Want mental stimulation? Forget a college degree and just read a fucking book between fixing trucks LOLZ!
You make a good point with entering trade businesses. When I first moved into this area I noticed the $728k house was bought by a "sprinkler system installer" guy. The $689k house was purchased by an air conditioner service owner. I asked them how they do so well and they both said, 'it's mostly a cash business."
Sadly Funny is when the neurosurgeon moved into the area and bought the $480k house they smiled and said, 'it's nice to see doctors are moving up in the world."
There is a downside.
HVAC: Attics in the USA Southwest approach 160 to 180 degrees F. Lethal.
Mechanic: You will, within a year, have grease everywhere on your body including the joints and underarms and it.will.never.wash.out.
Electrician: Not too dangerous in the USA, but any nation with 240 and one mistake and you go bye-bye. Same amperage, but twice the watts.
Plumbing: Literally up to your elbows in other people's shit.
Did you flunk reading? It was a/c OWNER. You don't make big bucks fixing the machines or installing sprinkers in the hot sun. They hire mexicans to do hat. The owner makes the biggest cut and can afford the fancy house.
My cousin dropped out of high school when he was in 9TH grade - all he cared about was making his car go faster.
He joined the Army - became a diesel mechanic - worked on tank engines.
Left the Army -
He now makes $150K/ year training other diesel mechanics.
I always thought it would be cool to be a heavy crane operator, those 100ft jobs, but I have never figured out how/where you can get trained on those.
Manitowoc Crane has a training program...I highly recommend people get something like this...any kind of heavy equipment/pilot/ captains license/ experience will take a person far and anywhere on the Globe..
Tower crane operators (the crane is part of the building going up) make as much as a family doctor.
Nature has a way of thining the herd of it's weak too.......
All the jobs are in :
1) Making computers/software that make money for financial firms
2) Keeping said computers running
3) Building Weapons
^^
4) Building defenses against the weapons you just built.
Think of it this way, the average expected life span of a person born today is about 80, give or take. A person is about 18 years of age by the time he or she finishes high school, add on another four years for a degree and we are at 22 years of age. Almost 30% of an average life span is spent getting educated to get a job you still need training to perform. I don't know about you, but I see something wrong with this picture.
B.S. article with barely disguised anti-intellectualism.
Job training is NOT the only reason, or even necessarily A reason for becoming educated.
Maybe one can more get get a lucrative job in the war industry or high finance with other degrees, but so what.
Maybe one can get a more lucrative job with Dow or Monsanto compared to being a dancer or music teacher, but is that how we are to decide the "worth" of our lives?
The real problem is not so much with the educational degrees,
as with what society materially rewards.
I always went for the job that paid me the most cash -
I could dance or teach music as a hobby.
I do support everyone having the option to decide what they want to do -
If teaching music is what makes you happy - great -
Just don't expect me to subsidize your choices with cash I earned working my ass off doing something you think is not worth anything.
The flaw in your post is that ''educational degrees'' and ''an education'' are not synonyms.
My mind explodes when I converse with recent graduates.
They do not know anything, actually.
PC and AGW slogans, yes. Knowledge? Nope.
The flaws in your post begin with
your 'straw man' contention that my argument hinges on
those two terms being synonymous,
and continue with your false generalization and insinuation that
(all) degrees are merely "slogans" because
(all) recent graduates "do not know anything".
Spoken like a true socialist. You are entitled to a good living because you got an edukashun.
I am offended by the word InjunEar. I want it changed to someone elses ear ( I'm calling my senator!).
Criminal Justice - Not smart enough for law, better be a mall cop.
Business Management & Admin - Too lazy to do any real work and knows it going in.
Healthcare Admin - Not smart enough for Medicine, better be a clerk.
General Studies - Don't care, doing a degree cuz mom and dad said so.
Sociology - Likes people watching a little too much to do any work.
English Language & Literature - Rather read than work.
Graphic Design - Like to draw, couldn't quite make the jump to architect (too much work)
Liberal Arts - Has the solution to all the world's problems without a clue as to how the world works
Education - Smarter than a 5th grader? At least they get summers off.
Psychology - Would rather have people complain to them all day than actually do any work.
Sound about right?
I call bullshit on the article.
I received a very solid humanities education from U of Toronto majoring in history and philosophy but took geology, computer science (I took the hardest computer course, 56 Chinese pupils, two white guys ((all the Chinese cheated-6 got deported home for cheating))and I was the only 'white'guy to pass; I got a 56 which, although it being the lowest score of all my courses, I am the proudest of that mark),religion and English literature.
What I learned in university has aided me in being an entrepreneur. I have had ups and downs, but have never had to work for anybody but myself for 30 years. I graduated with no money whatsoever (no debt though, I worked while going to school) brought up a family (wife at home) two boys in private school, one's an engineer the other still in high school.
Without history, philosophy I would not have any idea where we are today as I would have absolutely no references.
Learning to reade, write, comprehend is the key to any successful life. Don't let anyone fool you, the best education, as a foundation, is a humanities education at a good school.
Exactly. I have a similar education and professional direction. Unfortunately, studies like this likely reflect that the highest IQ and/or hardest working students tend not to pursue the humanities. It's much easier to be average in the typical humanities program than in the typical science/engineerring program. It's the best humanities students from excellent humanities programs that fit your profile.
Getting a liberal arts or humanities education is foolish in 2014.
Get an education in a STEM or usable skill, get a library card, and read 2 books a week for 10 years. Those 1000 books will be your education.
You will have your Liberal Arts degree many times over.
dup
If your suggestion assumes the alternative is high five-figure debt for a B.A. at an average school, I'd tend to agree with you. Socrates's students were not paying him a high tuition, and the Internet is facilitating multiple virtual Athens.
Yes, college is not needed to obtain a liberal arts education, and the traditional college campus may become rare. I don't think that the consumerist amenities of college campuses today are related to education. I do think that for most students a liberal arts education does require an intellectual community, though, and such communities can arise outside college settings. Mightn't the same apply to much science/eng edu ? -- e.g. all the internet programs of MIT, UC Berkeley, et al. It's going to be very interesting to see how these new forms of education will develop.
Learning to reade, write, comprehend is the key to any successful life.
(Sic)
That's a typo, moron.
Heh heh......OK then!
I shpoudn't have called you a , ',moron'.
Sorry
BTW: I added a mystery typo, see if you can find it??
If everyone had this 'best' education there would be nobody to build bridges.
"the best education, as a foundation, is a humanities education at a good school."
Sure, just get your humanities degree then go back and get an engineering degree.
You must have lots of easy money to take all these degrees.
Yes, of course.
Nothing in university teaches you how to be an entrepreneur.
If you needed university to get a basic grip on history and philosophy, I would call your earlier education and reading interests into question.
"Nothing in history teached you to be an entrepeneur"
I didn't say that my humanities was necessay to be an entreprenuer but it did help. I enjoyed university: the intellectual stimulation, became well read (gaining much more knowlege than a, 'basic grip on history, philosophy'), writing research essays on various topics: later allowed me to adapt in business. .
I read vociferously before University but there is nothing to match observing other people's ideas,the cross pollination of ideas ,being instructed by professors who have read original texts in the language it was written in -Latin, ancient Greek, Sanskrit.
Anyways, Malik, unless you have had the experience personally, you most likely won't be able to appreciate the benefits.
Well my STEM studies didn't bring me in contact with philosophy, no. But likely if they had I would have been very skeptical about it anyway.
Interestingly enough my uncle was a philosophy professor and he had learned ancient Greek to read the original texts - but he never said anything to me that would have given me deeper insight or kindled my curiosity.
Now I'm old enough to have come full circle, on my own critical thinking.
And now I can only laugh at the vast majority of philosophies as they are either glorified justifications for stealing, or generally ways to carefully ignore certain aspects of the truth / reality / what truly ethical behavior is.
"The unexamined life is not worth living".
Did your uncle tell you this Socratic gem?
I guess you feel that you know more than hundreds of philoshers over 2,500 years?
Perhaps, you do.
Kindly please give us a large, coherent posting with your philosophical manifesto, that would be really interesting.
Why should I try to write another tome and call it a manifesto. If a reader isn't in the right mindset, it won't help him/her ("...and the answer that you're looking for, may not be the one you need.")
If you have nobody that you trust who gives you some good hints at the right time, you will have to go all by yourself on your journey to conquer the complexity without getting confused by it - and at the end you will see with unbelievable clarity that almost all truths are simple.
And suddenly you see the lies. Lies everywhere, including nowadays many people constantly lying to themselves to try to keep their fears in check.
Fears.
Coveting.
Liars and psychopaths, religions and advanced "philosophies" constantly trying to manipulate you and everybody else through these to get to their goals. Adding unnecessary complexity until the vast majority gets confused, then coming up with a false explanation as relief.
So no manifesto; I thought so.
It seems you have difficulties with complex ideas.
LOL!
Just keep on reading your next 100 philosophers, then you can really show us how superior you are
Where are the K-12 Teachers?
i'd say under education..
If you took out all the "defense" work, the engineering degrees would look nowhere near as attractive. Add to that that a life in engineering means the chance that you will be a complete idiot is almost 100%. The engineer's way of looking at the world in terms of instrumental control is probably the single biggest false belief held by humankind. How's Fukushima working out for you? How about Monsanto? How about those drones coming to a picnic near you? NSA spying on your teenage daughter and passing around pictures of her? Those aren't the lit majors behind all those things. The false beliefs of the Eric Schmidts of the world are gynormous. Ignorance is one thing. False belief in the power of instrumental reason is much much much worse.
Engineering and science are simply tools like a hammer, knife or gun. They can be used for good or ill. If you allow unscrupulous men in power to control access to these tools, you experience the malicious consequences. You have to scrupulously keep them from power, even while allowing all men to have access to the tools for constructive, creative purposes.
thats what the liberal arts majors are supposed to do--keep them in check/manage.....but its a world full of spreadsheets, metrics and STRETCH goals...if you cant quantify your existence and add to p/e; go sell something.
Yeah, that's the Bill Gates view. Whenever he is asked about the NSA or Monsanto, he says they are just tools. But people who think deeply about technology recognize that that view is hopelessly simplistic and as such prevents serious reflection about our situation. Fukushima and the internet and Monsanto are so much more than tools. And my point is that technologically minded people are incapable of thinking outside of that simple picture. It is pretty obvious that Gates actually doesn't even know what alternative views of technology look like. When you say they are "simply tools" what do you think the opposing viesw are? Do you even know anybody who holds opposing views? Please name who you have in mind. If you can't name anybody, it is probably because you are totally unware of the nature of the debates.
I also once fell for the bleeding heart story "engineers don't take responsibility for their creations, that's why we have all the bad in the world",
until shortly after clone sheep "Dolly" had swept through the news, I read of a poll where women had been asked if they would have their baby cloned if it would make it a tennis player as good as Boris Becker [or insert best basketball or football player here]:
Over 60% said yes.
It's a losing proposition to want to have a handful of engineers trying to stem the tide of the next idiocy.
If anything you would need to demand all further R&D and inventions banned, as it is completely impossible to eliminate idocy.
Is this measured by feeling that you're underemployed? Because I still don't have my Master of the Universe title
If you really want to be dissatified in life, major in "women's studies", some sort of ethnic or racial studies, or labor relations, where you become indoctrinated and perpetually indignant, all while being rendered unemployable outside academia.
Not exactly true - you can get a government job that furthers the goal of dividing the populace and labeling certain groups of them as victims.
The Internet will perform its' Tragedy of the Commons magic on this also.
Everyone went to Trade School and Nursing in 2008. Surprise, a glut of apprentices and nurses and PA's and now even doctor salaries are dropping. If doctors cannot earn a good living then no one will.
Everyone will now go into a STEM field, and the salaries will crater for all of those majors.
Then in 15 years AI will replace all STEM and everyone will be underemployed.
U bet.
so then get counter-cyclical on it. major in art history today, not stem; and in 10 years it will look good. get in front of the curve if that is what you think.
the right column is specialized and requires math skills. the other side is pontification. if the left column was also social director of their house, then they went into sales and made more money than anyone on the list.
sales is the easiest most lucrative job for a few; the worst most difficult, rejection-filled job for most in sales. but without those popular jocks at the front, not much gets done.
Creating a large number of people in a field is intentional. It provides a larger talent pool for corporations to choose from.
Just like sports, if everyone takes up Basketball, the NBA will have a larger pool and the quality of players in the NBA will improve; however, the total number of players will stay the same / similar so there will be a much larger group of people who spent a good deal of their time playing Basketball who do not make money doing it.
It's not really Tragedy of the Commons, its the glamour effect; it is the reason there are many waiters and waitresses in LA who studied and dream of being actors and actresses.
I'm sure the surge in Criminal Justice degrees that are unemployed is due to the popularity of all the forensics and law shows on TV. The colleges are a business, they will teach you whatever you want to learn, not what there is jobs for. I suspect the large surplus of people in Criminal Justice SHOULD result in an overall increase in the quality of people actually employed in Criminal Justice.
You are either clueless about the "Tragedy of the Commons" or intentionally misinterpreting it.
What an amazing denial of the facts of reality and absolute, irrevocable, and undeniable nature of scarcity.
Tools enhance the efficiency of labor. They cannot eliminate it. PERIOD. FULL STOP.
Work, then, is a survival behavior to produce the goods and services one wants to consume, either by direct production or by way of trade.
The idea that it is physically possible to live without work, except in the case of someone who lives off of someone else's labor or saved capital (meaning that the work still occurs, but is performed by someone else), is ridiculous.
The idea that tools - whether you name them 'robot' or 'grain combine' will eliminate human labor rather than enhance it's productivity is as ridictulous as the idea that a lever eliminates the need for a person to operate it.
Automation expands jobs in electrical engineering, computer science, and robot mechanics.
Automation changes where the worker in the automated industry works, and changes the number of those workers needed to accomplish the same production, nothing more. At the same time it creates jobs in the automation industry. THE JOBS WERE NOT ELIMINATED, THEY JUST MOVED.
'The idea that it is physically possible to live without work, except in the case of someone who lives off of someone else's labor or saved capital (meaning that the work still occurs, but is performed by someone else), is ridiculous.'
There are multiple demographics that expect trophies… and as far as I can see, me, you and the others have been taxed with bailing them out.
The welfare crowd.
The pension crowd.
The disabled crowd.
The Social Security crowd.
The political crowd (including the Paul’s Ron and Rand)…..
Careful, Pookster. Look out beyond your front door to the near future where you will be one of those or simply unemployed. Sticking your head in the sand thinking you are not vulnerable to the coming and now working changes going on in the world of work, is not a solution.
OM MF G!!!
Are U serious???
You deny that there are 6.6 billion people on earth right now and that more than half of them are unemployed, no hope in hell to EVER be so emloyed??
The jobs just moved????? They didn't disappear thru technological change??
I cannot fathom what world you live in but it is not planet Earth.
Work is OVER, bon ami.
You are in such denial I don't think you can make your way back to reality.
Read: And politicians’ promises that American manufacturing means an abundance of new jobs is complicated — yes, it means jobs, but on nowhere near the scale there was before, because machines have replaced humans at almost every point in the production process.
Take Parkdale: The mill here produces 2.5 million pounds of yarn a week with about 140 workers. In 1980, that production level would have required more than 2,000 people.
I suppose 1,860 Engineers supplanted those workers, eh?
Even the tractors have autopilots today. People typically don't understand automation until it hits their field. Examples...
Farmers:
1900 38% of workforce
2000 3% of workforce
Coal miners:
1920 700k
2000 70k
Automotive industry:
1950 16%
2000 less than 1%
First of all, please learn to use paragraphs.
Second, the process of globalization is more than half complete; the total amount of new workers to be introduced to the industrial system is, I am sure, less than the amount already in the system, so the amount of jobs and the level of wages and living standards will probably stabilize in the near future*
*Barring a collapse in energy production or the development of fully autonomous systems of robot labour.
Can we see the math this is based on?
Total Amt of new Workers:
Workers already in system:
LEt's start there....
Then move on to this little gem: "Barring ........ the development of fully autonomous systems of robot labour", and explain when this ceased.
There’s always room for a good Revolutionary future students of history can read about.
People say all Obama had was a speech.
All one needed was a decent speech and a bus ticket to Ferguson.
Leisure Consumption , young man .
My cousin makes $400000/hr from her kitchen table and she majored in Underwater Lesbian Basket-weaving.
I have a BA in psychology.
I work for a company employing 5000+ people, designing automated testing system software for seismic analysis and visualization software and the virtualized server environments on which that system runs.
In addition, I critique user interfaces, write readable instructions in meaningful English, effectively comment my code and talk to marketing personnel about consumer behavior.
In short, I use my psychology degree every day.
Breaking on Drudge:
The IMF Vixen is in Trouble!
Matt's slippin.......she's way down the ZH page now.
A tale of two people.
Have a good friend who loves music. Double-majored in music and accounting. Plays in a community orchestra at night, but works by day in a job gained due to the accounting degree. It pays the bills nicely.
The other person majored in art history (no masters or PhD, just undergrad degree), and.....couldn't land a job with a museum. Worked as a barrista and loved to complain about how unfair live was. Shocker! Perhaps they have since found their dream job in the art world...
Major in "How to Be a Yes Man", minor in "Subjugation of Conscience" and by all means, get a Phd. in "Orgasmatronics".
Psychology as a degree deliberately was designed to replace the study of liberal arts in Western education. The reason was to erase America's European roots and her people's cultural and historical identity.
In America’s past, the study of the liberal arts until recent decades was considered “essential for a free person (Latin, liberal, "worthy of a free person") to know in order to take an active part in civic life.” The liberal arts were included as a background basis for most all higher education degrees.
The purveyors of culture change deliberately replaced the broad liberal arts major with the psychology major – a non-science of gobbled gook (sic) riddled with ridiculous psychological propaganda and absurdities.
As Dr. Adrian H. Krieg, an engineer, explains: “soft sciences are not based on factual proven scientific or mathematically based facts; they are based on the opinion of its originators. While an engineer is always able to provide evidentiary support for his postulations, soft sciences are never based on any proven facts but just theories and opinion. Were engineers to act in a manner like soft science participants, buildings and bridges would be collapsing everywhere.”
The soft sciences include psychiatrists and psychoanalysts, he says.
Diametrically hostile to Western Civilization, these soft sciences have been on the wrong side of “homosexuality, pedophilia, pornography” and have created a Freudian-directed society preoccupied with sex.
Which brings us to the 21st century and “the involvement of psychiatry with the courts, sentencing of criminals, Jewish liberalism and the general degrading of Western Civilization.”
Says Krieg: “Liberalism has reared its ugly head in virtually every venue of our society, and always to its detriment. Organizations like the American Psychiatrists Association, the ACLU, ASCPD, ABPN, APA, WPA, and the American College of Psychiatrists are the organizations that have legitimized psychiatric practice. Let me say it again because it needs to be repeated – every single pronouncement and diagnosis of any psychiatrists is not based on any factual or diagnostic information, it is based solely upon the opinion of its makers. These opinions are not based on fact, science or reality; it is opinion and nothing else…”
Carl Jung, instrumental in founding analytical psychology, postulated there were eight personality types.
Today, “in the 21st century we have straights, homosexuals, lesbians, transsexuals, cross-dressers, pedophiles, bi-polar disorder, and psychotics among over 100 listed.”
Concludes Krieg: “The psychiatrists have been every busy expanding their empire while facing almost no opposition.”
College is for learning to be a citizen. Grad school is for preparing to be a useful one. Never mind about the rest. Really have to go the whole nine yards if you're not a genius. Costly? You bet.
It looks like a lot of people here have the conflicted desire to return to the hunter-gatherer lifestyle.
Conflicted, becuase while they promote it, they do not perform it.
Not smart enough to figure out where the herd went, or devise a way to get there without dying of exposure, I expect. So, instead they adopt the lifestyle of a tick who imagines himself a spider - statically sucking someone else's blood while imagining themselves as great primitive hunters.
I went to a private university and got a double degree in history and sociology. Mostly to catch up since I spent 12 years after high school learning nothing and a stint in the Navy. Didn't like the idea of doing the same ole thing so went for the MA degree in English as a Second Language. $100,000 in student loans to pay for school, rent, food, coke-n-whores. No, just kidding about the coke-n-whores. Moved to Japan, been here 10 years and making $100 teaching a 90 minute university class, which brings me about $800 a week. I could teach more but choose not to.
I've been paying down my loans for this time until the Gov. switched my loan to a private company. I haven't paid anything in two years. You see, when I file my taxes I claim the Foreign Income Tax subsidy which tops out at around $90,000. I think I'm filling it in correctly. The instructions say to claim $0 for income. So those dipshits at the private company think I have no income. I e-mailed them and told them they were wrong, that I DO have an income but they never changed it.
??????
Russian soldier mother have created list of dead / injured russian soldiers.
It's about 400
http://tvrain.ru/articles/komitet_soldatskih_materej_sostavil_spisok_iz_...
You can't hide those mothers in Russia who are waitting for their son to return - but are brought back dead.
Any government can turn any group of people into the "Enemy" at the turn of a switch. The only method proven to stop this is a great education.
So "great educations" are no longer offered by public schools in the USA and Russia.
It is sad that Russians are dying so that some fantasy dream of a KGB psychopath can be trial rehearsed. Princess Putin has proven, yet again, that we are all just dumb monkeys who have no real free will.
I hope the mothers of these soldier-kids will turn their cold eyed hate and grief onto the Kremlin. The madness needs to stop.
Back around 2010 I was working a job and often went to lunch at a nearby joint, and the bartender was a 22yo kid who said he had just graduated with a civil engineering degree from the local state college, and bartending was the best gig he could find.
Well maybe if he got out of Los Angeles and went somewhere civil he could find better work.
Also those top three underemployed may represent "degrees" from trade-tech for-profit schools, or even associates degrees or no degrees at all?
funny how civil and environmental engineers... figures the hard hats and regulators and surveyors are the most employed and did the most destruction in the housing and development space... Just hope that is these insane central planners profiting from exporting US resources (and pollution) don't need rare earths, Copper, lead if they screw up there little policemen of world games. Gee "Criminal Justice" what is that?.. oh yea picked up box of Paper yesterday and saw 4 mall cops and two armored cars... never mind..... hey don't look here no problems with student loans here 800 -2000 a month for 10 years.... It ain't getting better any time soon.... Who are the terrorist, is it ZIRP, TARP,EPA,Property tax.Education system..... No mind tin foil hats are aluminum
If I was Hillary Clinton dead broke I would be just fine.
a civil engineer is more likely to be an employee than an english major. if you are an english major and you have some sort of job (you aren't creative talent, a writer or actor or director or musician) then you are likely to feel underemployed. likewise if you are psychologist and you don't have a practise then you are going to feel underemployed. (if you do have a practise you don't have a job). the comparison is biased. its like asking someone in the military if they feel underemployed. you retire before youre 50 and then take a second job and a second retirement at 65. so it all works out. meanwhile the civil engineer just got outsourced by a kid from India or a new software package. he's not feeling so good
Off Topic: excellent article on Palestine by hot Muslim chick: http://goo.gl/BVKlhN
Look. I got my PH.D in African Drumming after earning a Masters Degree in Sock-Puppetry and a BS in Origami with a minor in Watercolour Silk-Screening back in the 1980s. Over the next 20 years, I was unable to find meaningful employment in my field.
Does that sound "fair"? And when I finally did get a job for minimum wage creating topiary structures from folded paper scotty-dogs, the boss-man brought in a H1b VISA gentleman from North Africa who was legally able to work for just room and board compensation under a special "internship" provision within GATT.
That fucker and his sand-art skills lost me my job! Oh, and the beheading videos were just sickening!
Now you know why I am throwing garbage cans through your plate-glass windows.
/end sarc
--------------
I can make this topic as funny as the best of you. But do you think that everyone can get a STEM job even if they have the ability in the first place? No. Unemployment in the STEM fields is real.
And what about the H1B Visa workers who are undermining EVERYONE'S pay?
Did you know that Congress has never voted directly on these H1B Visas?
Did you know that the H1B visa Programs are folded into all these crappy trade deals so that Senators and Congressmen can keep their paws clean? Elected officials can claim "I didn't vote for that!" and maintain "plausible deniability" while they carry out fast track support for back room trade agreements written by industry traitors.
Frankly, the dream of some of you folks where there are "of course(!)" going to be jobs for the majority of the American workforce within high skill fields is not based in reality.
We have more people than there EVER will be jobs for. It is time we address this reality.
Imagine slaves going into debt to pay for their own "training" aka education.
Banksters could learn a thing or two from this racket.
Medicine is on its way to getting hinky. The 60s were the end of the glory years where physicians earned significantly more than the average guy. The last 40 years we have been continuously squeezed as the Feds took control of the pay schedule (and insurance companies followed their lead.)
Now we have states like Nevada who are allowing PAs and nurse practitioners to practice on their own without a supervising physician. I'm guessing this will kill Family Practice and could even impact specialities as some of these folks may hang out their own shingles in say Pulmonology if they have previously done PA work for that speciality.
A medical degree is obtained after 4 years of college, 4 years of medical school and a license requires at LEAST 3 more years of training plus 2 more for specialties....so 13 years after high school one begins to earn. You do get paid after med school but it isn't much.
I'm guessing this group now will get squeezed between high loans and low pay and will see the hardest lives physicians have had in the US since the 1920s. Hyperinflation will wipe out the loan problem but it will wipe out Uncle Sugars albeit stingy checkbook too.
I really do not know what kind of advice to give todays yute.
We tax capital gains and dividend incomes (ala Mitt Romney) at a fraction of the rate for doing work.
I've said it before. The best advice to young people: work is for Chumps so kill yourselves.
"Come back as an heir to some wealthy oligarch!"
--- or ---
Start a Union.
(But that is a much harder and more unpredictable road than just killing yourself.)
Funny that I was rejected as Graduation commencement speaker at several local high schools. Seems fishy?
Regarding Nurses vs Doctors and pay, the States with nursing unions prove who is really the smart actors and who are the idiots. Nurses can take in more than half the pay of a physician for the cost of a 2year degree at a community college.
Oh, but unions are "bad". Never mind.
"Criminal Justice" should also be called "How to torture, extort, persecute, kill and maim."
An American,not US subject.
Where's Nigerian-email-scam-operator on the list?
Liberal Arts means the skill set of free thinking and and real education in the classic sense while today's definition of "education" has quietly been downgraded to job training for the Kapital as all elements of the ideology of politics, society and culture had been grotesquely set up from the Kapital, for the Kapital and to the Kapital. As George Orwell puts it. "Orthodoxy means not thinking--not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness." Do you really think they needed people who can think I independently on their own? During the Middle Ages the establishment would burn anyone who did free thinking and came up with any idea (hearsay) that challenged the ideology? Now they don't do that anymore because they have figured out even more barberic and more effective ways to safeguard their evil ideology also known as TINA.
Computer engineering has been very good to me but we're hitting the lowest common denominator in full force,especially among upper level managers. Every dumb tech they read about on the net must be implemented NOW, no matter what.
"I could see the road ahead of me. I was poor and I was going to stay poor. But I didn’t particularly want money. I didn’t know what I wanted. Yes, I did. I wanted someplace to hide out, someplace where one didn’t have to do anything. The thought of being something didn’t only appall me, it sickened me … To do things, to be part of family picnics, Christmas, the 4th of July, Labor Day, Mother’s Day … was a man born just to endure those things and then die? I would rather be a dishwasher, return alone to a tiny room and drink myself to sleep.
It was true that I didn’t have much ambition, but there ought to be a place for people without ambition, I mean a better place than the one usually reserved. How in the hell could a man enjoy being awakened at 6:30 a.m. by an alarm clock, leap out of bed, dress, force-feed, shit, piss, brush teeth and hair, and fight traffic to get to a place where essentially you made lots of money for somebody else and were asked to be grateful for the opportunity to do so?
The nine-to-five is one of the greatest atrocities sprung upon mankind. You give your life away to a function that doesn’t interest you. This situation so repelled me that I was driven to drink, starvation, and mad females, simply as an alternative."
- Charles Bukowsk
Gee, the really hard stuff has more commercial value than the prattling bullshit stuff.
Now there's a stunning insight.
Funny, economics appears nowhere on the list.
Perhaps they had to draw the line at criminal justice, leaving no room for tits on a boar hog, followed by economics.
economics is a math profession. math heads are usually pretty happy with the pay and nature of the work.
Economics takes applied math developed by others, and uses it to generate comical models that would be laughed out of any peer review in the hard sciences or engineering.
Now I understand why I've always hated math.
Spirited discussions about whether or not jobs have moved, disappeared, or simply don't meet the available global supply of labor will, I suspect, be rendered moot shortly, once another world war begins.
I could always be wrong, however.
The government, on behalf of industry manipulates your percption of the desirable field. Engineering is too much responsibility for decreasing real wages as technical work is increasingly outsourced and in last job I worked with illegals and foreign "interns". But they need to continue to heard the lemmings into dead end work to supress wages. Im telling my son to stay clear of technical or technology - electrician, cop, teacher or drug dealer would be prefferable. Government jobs are tops.
Retired Professors need pension payments. Don’t be fooled, that’s what all these school loans are paying for.
Educators should just focus on preparing kids to be raped in prison - at least that would be a helpful skill-set in line with the "new economy"
No, that's why we have the Church.
A lot of gators eating off the productive.
Most are undeserving.
The employees bankrupt GM and still collect a pension. That’s one group of people we are paying for.
The employees bankrupt Detroit and still collect a pension, while keeping the assets meaning those 401K’s holding their debt got screwed. We got saddled with double indemnity?
Add one.
The entrepreneurs and 'go-getters' in any of these majors are doing fine and are probably working their tails off. The big difference between the two are the the underemployed are in fields that depend on government jobs or funding. These are perceived to be 'easy' majors and don't really produce anything, and offer no employable skills to anyone who does make things.
A gun instructor position opened up in AZ -
"A nine year-old girl in the US has killed her shooting instructor by accident while being shown how to use a high-powered submachine gun."
High powered and submachine gun are actually mutually exclusive.
I was a philosophy major, and it's not on that list, yes!
Probably because so many end up going to law school and becoming lawyers.
What? No puppetry?
Haven't drawn a paycheck in 5 years. Been growing medical cannabis all that time and attending university which I will graduate from this year. Entering a field i love which actually helps guide young people, not a field which centers around how much money you make. No student loans. A 2 yr old in the house and another child due in January. I'm doing what i fucking want to do, am happier and more successful than ive ever been, and oh yeah, I'm an English major. Looking forward to the next 20 years. I hope most of you can say the same. If not , red me and suck a STEM.
That statistic is entirely useless, as long they don't indicate how many non-underemployed work in the area they have their degree in.
Detroit needs the prostitution scene organized. No experience required.
C’mon out.
Choose an easy and lazy college degree get an easy and lazy job afterwards