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Ukraine Accuses Russia Of Imminent Gas Cut-Off, Russia Denies, Germans Anxious
So much for the Russia-Ukraine talks bringing the two sides together as even Germany's Steinmeier could only say it's "hard to say if breakthrough made." Shortly after talks ended, Ukrainian Premier Yatsenyuk stated unequivocally that "we know about the plans of Russia to cut off transit even in European Union member countries," followed by some notably heavy-on-the-war-rhetoric comments. The Russians were quick to respond, as the energy ministry was "surprised" by his statements on Ukraine gas transits and blasted that comments were an "attempt at EU disinformation."
Russia to halt gas transit to Europe via Ukraine in winter - Ukrainian Premier
"We know about the plans of Russia to cut off transit even in European Union member countries. That's why [Russian] companies were ordered to maximally pump gas to the storage facilities on the territory of Europe," he said before starting the regular Cabinet meeting on Wednesday.
The Premier said that Russia is also forming plans to stop all supplies of energy resources to Ukraine.
"We know about Russia's plans to basically switch off all energy resources for Ukraine," he added.
Yatseniuk added that Ukraine had accumulated nearly 15 billion cubic meters of gas in its underground storages and now deals with diversification of coal supplies to the country, "since the Russian Federation and its mercenaries bomb and destroy coalmines [in eastern Ukraine]."
Besides, Yatseniuk reported that Ukraine hopes to continue the talks and consultations in the trilateral Ukraine-EU-Russia format to address energy concerns.
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Of course, amid all this disinformation, the Russians remain confident that Ukraine will simply be syphoning what it needs... (and the European leaders are worried about the implications of Ukraine's threats and actions)...
h/t @Erula1
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The Russians responded...
- *RUSSIAN ENERGY MINISTRY SURPRISED ON UKRAINE TRANSIT COMMENT
- *RUSSIA: UKRAINE TRANSIT COMMENT IS ATTEMPT AT EU DISINFORMATION
- *RUSSIA WILL FULFILL ALL CONTRACT OBLIGATIONS: ENERGY MINISTRY
- *RUSSIAN ENERGY MINISTER NOVAK COMMENTS IN E-MAILED STATEMENT
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Of course -the question is - does Russia have a 'contractual obligation' with Ukraine if it is not paying the bills...
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We leave it to the Germans to summarize the de-escalation...
- *STEINMEIER: UKRAINE WORST CRISIS IN EAST EUROPE SINCE COLD WAR
- *STEINMEIER SEES DANGEROUS ESCALATION IN UKRAINE IN RECENT DAYS
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Europe is making a ass of itself by listening to Ukraine at all...
Europe is making an ass of itself listening to the US
It should stop braying American sounds
you have to assume that the contract is basically the same as any other contract... no payment, no goods... so either europeans pay for Ukranians stealing gas, or Russia has the contractual right to halt delivery.
Germans Anxious
Only a few short days until winter hits.....hope Merkel is good at poker.
Probably stocking up on Depends.
If only to burn during cold winter when they run out of US fiat.
Two year + supply of heating oil in my storage tank. In addition to 30 acres of best woodland that will keep us warm for generations if necessary. Those fucktards in eastern Europe can do whatever they want.
Putin to Europe: Got Ruble?
Russia has no intention of cutting off Europe. Europe pays its bills and Russia likes getting paid. Ukraine, on the other hand, would like to cut off the gas, but not get the blame. So what happens? The Ukes, who have zero credibility, say the Russians will do exactly what the Ukes want done.
The stream of BS is endless.
Germany is nervous because they don't want to be a pawn sacrificed in the US game. For historical perspective see the 1973 oil shock where OPEC aimed at the US and hit Europe and Japan instead.
One of the biggest post cold war blunders was the participation in the overthrow of the Ukie government in Feb. 2014. Blowback is a bitch, bitchez.
I hope this stop of energy supplies to Ukraine includes nuclear fuel and oil as well as gas.
Russia is a major trading partner of Europe as it was pre-1914 when it propped up the UK and Germany after the McKinley Tariff 1890 cut off US markets. Russia was a fast-growing market pre-1914 which it is now - the US simply wants to keep Europe locked in a Cold War Embrace as does the UK. Germany + Russia + BRICS is global power
Maybe EU will suddenly realise South Stream is a good idea after all?
As I'd said in a previous post, the Ukes will blow the pipeline and blame the Ruskies.
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This playbook has been used before but they don't understand we've got a copy and keeping track.
another day another ukie lie, of course they will blame the ruskies and claim black is white or vice versa.
See how they claimed the relief convoy was for military equipment and that russia had therefore invaded the ukraine.
Just ignore the fact they have been and are massacring their own people, destroying the infrastructure including bombing coal mines and water treatment works.
I guess that must have been terrorist water.
Clive Maund gives a good explanation of why it is being done (spolier - global dollar hegemony but you already knew that if you've been paying any attention at all) and how stupid the europeans are to go along with the exceptional country when it is against their interests - but maybe not the interests of their "leaders".
http://www.clivemaund.com/article.php?art_id=3278
North stream can supply all of German needs (40 bio btu, or what that unit was) and additional 15 to sell at a good price to anybody interested in central europe (half german RWE, and gazprom)
Germany can sit out any and all of this
I'm amused by the assumptions of "panic" and "anxiousness" in Germany of "possible gas cut threats".
How thick is that tinfoil on your heads to believe Russia will stop supplying Europe (its only major gas customer) with the only thing they have to export (commodities). The energy industry in Europe is undergoing major changes in regards to energy type, supply sources and energy conservation. Political posturing is an additional catalyst for change next to price. You threaten long enough and eventually nobody will need that gas because whole countries have adapted and adjusted their supply to more reliable sources or invested heavily enough into new home grown energy alternatives.
You might loosen your hat a bit:
http://online.wsj.com/articles/iea-chief-says-europe-must-rely-on-russia...
Yeah, right: Germany is getting out of nuclear and replacing it with solar and wind, which costs the taxpayer dearly. Are they going to replace gas with more solar? You must be joking? However, I agree, Russia has no interest to cut off their paying customers.
"attempt at EU disinformation " excuse me while gag and wretch.
And some of us here want to see the Terms & Conditions clauses of said Contract. IOW...What Currency is used to pay for the gas?
The far bigger concern for the US is if they EU has to pay for it in Rubles of Euros, instead of Dollars.
Although the J-Hole A-Holes did not talk about this, they SHOULD have. Come winter, Porky will wake up one morning and hear that USD Debt Notes won't pay for the gas any more. Nor will his or Belgian chocolates.
From an overall perspective, the Kiev Junta is slaying pro-russians in the East. These same pro-russians are desperate to join mother Russia.
Notwithstanding the above, the Kiev Junta are not prepared to pay 'market rate' for the gas they consume and are currently in excess of $3 billion in debt to Gazprom for gas already consumed.
Tell me this, do you think his people will be behind Putin if he continues to supply Gas to western Ukraine?
Even the wording from the Russian response is clear, there is no contractual obligation to continue supplying gas, Kievs arrogance backed by NATO will cause serious escalation in the next quarter
This period is what we call squeeky bum time....
...Whatever Ukraine says....the opposite is true...bank on it.
Ukraine = Goldman Sachs
Maxx
In short
Ukraine is in the Sack with Goldman
And the stink is overpowering
And gues who owns Goldman Sachs ...
The Mayer family is still butthurt about being kicked out of Russia in 2008.
How much escelation can there be before the Russians invade?
Come on Putin!
A lot more...Putin plays very well and refuses to be gamed by U.S. How much no gas delivery in january and february can the EU and Germany take... before they resort to forcing Ukraine to export the gas they stored?
Acording to local reports which of course we don't see in our MSM the seperatists are starting to push back the junta army.
Reports are saying that equipment is being supplied from germany (including others) to replace that destroyed by the seperatist.
Germany has large storage facilities - 90 days from memory, assuming they have topped off their storage as they do during summer, with the northstream they should be OK it will be other countries who suffer.
... before they resort to forcing Ukraine to export the gas they SAID they stored?
You don't honestly think a Socialist govt can "park" or "store" assets anywhere in their kleptosphere and have them back?
Gas storage is expensive, ideally you don't store much, your supply lines are your primary storage.
Gas storage may take 20 years to pay for if you use it.
You think the EU elites who are too cheap to employ locals rather than Muslims would spring for massvie gas storage to help Ukraine?
They'd rather spend the doh on cocaine sex parties than real infrastructure
I don´t know what the Ukies have promised to deliver...but you know...this is like with the mafia.Promising something that you subsequently can´t deliver...not very good for your health.
The action in Syria will come first.
Yes. You are probably right. But I have always wondered why the Russians and their allies so far have resolved to take the high road. After all it can´t be that difficult to do the same to the U.S - Israel - Saudi coalition and stick a number of alternative terrorist organizations into Saudi and blow up their oilfields and facilities. Would mean a nice price picture for Russian oil and huge revenue jump for Gazprom.
OT, but news this morning out of Syria shows that the IDF is assisting the so called 'islamic militants' take the border crossing between Syria and Israel from government forces... you have to laugh at the orwellien bullshit in the article, which claims that Israel attacked the Syria government forces because of 'stray fire'... while ignoring the "militants"....
http://news.yahoo.com/rebels-syria-crossing-israel-occupied-golan-ngo-11...
the war in Syria is getting kicked into high gear by zionist forces, whether IDF directly, or their proxy 'militant' army....
With this kind of monkey buisiness going on regarding NG and poor ole Europe, it's time to start looking to go long low cost LNG producers gang. PNG (the country) is a huge and upcoming producer that just started exports last month. Check out OSH, IOC,... they're all into this big time.
You can thank me later.
dr strangemember,
XOM is there, as well as soros.
the thing is that for LNG huge plants are required, you can't just have a ship rock up and discharge the gas into the mains.
these plants take years to build.
and meanwhile, chairman obamao announces that he intends to drone away in Syria... this is not going to get ugly fast.
And speaking of all the Drought articles on ZH in recent days... How's that Perma-Drought working out in Erez Israel?
Never mind "Got oil?". GOT WATER?
God of Moses to BB: "Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's goods, nor his land, nor his water"
BB: "Fuck you, God! I don't pray to the 'God of Moses'. I got my Talmud and a Babylonian God. I can covet, steal or kill all I want."
Europe is making an ass out of itself by following the lead of the assholes running this country.
Oh - I think they know.Western politicians just looking out for an opening to get out of this mess. Without getting Gladioed.
"Europe is making a ass of itself by listening to Ukraine at all..."
Here's a vision for these Nazis, oligarchs, mercenaries, war criminals, and assorted thugs that needs to happen ASAP:
The Ukraine Rope a Dope
Brad Cabana / Rock Solid Politics
27 August 2014
At the time of this post there are 9 encircled formations of Ukraine troops with an estimated total strength of 20,000…the units now trapped, and the ones trapped prior to this and already eliminated, represent the entire core of Ukraine's professional army…
…the NAF has moved in the South…including an amphibious landing just east of Mariupol on Ukraine's south coast...
…With Ukraine's entire rear exposed, including all the way to the capital Kiev, it will have no choice but to rapidly withdraw West…The NAF will...be free to advance in the centre and bypass (if still heavily defended) or capture Slavyansk and area moving directly to the City of Dnepropetrovsk on the Dnieper River - which is to become the new westerly border of a new Novorossyia (New Russia).
…Once the NAF capture and secure Melitopol, the Ukraine defences along the Crimea border are exposed from the rear. At that time the separatist region of Moldova, Transnistria, which houses Russian and "Transnistria Self-Defence Forces", is likely to strike southward toward Odessa....
All these moves combined mean a few things…Ukraine will cease to function as a country. Its already desperate financial position will be crippled by the loss of one half of the country - the most resource rich part. Thirdly it means that Ukraine will become landlocked and essentially a new "pocket - like" area. If NATO were to move into this area, they would be surrounded on three sides by Russia, Novorossyia, and Belarus. It would be indefensible. Therefore, Ukraine, or what's left of it, turns into an economically barren no mans land between East and West…
as i mentioned above, whilst the junta has lost much equipment, possibly all the serviceable aircraft, it is being resupplied by other countries who have the same equipment from the old days so the battle is being prolonged.
since the seperatists seem to be able to shoot down low flying aircraft having an airforce does not seem to be such a huge advantage.
"...it is being resupplied by other countries who have the same equipment from the old days..."
That's OK. ;-)
18 seconds of delightful snark from the DNR leaders, at the same Birth of a Nation press conference I linked elsewhere here:
02:13 - 02:31:
Now regarding the parade [Donetsk, Independence Day, 24 August], I deliberately put the trophy equipment on display on Lenin Square.
Everything that will come to us from Kiev, will end up in the same condition sooner or later. The more will come, the easier it will be for us to restore our economy. As you may know, metallurgy is one of our main industries.
F dual-citizen Yats and his other zio-cronies.
lol at this fucking guy!!!!!!
Someone tell those KIEV idiots to just STFU.
It used to be funny , now it's just annoying.
country commits suicide, a unique phenomenon, look carefully
"Someone tell those KIEV idiots to just STFU."
Here's two guys with the vision and purpose to do it:
Watershed press conference by top Novorussian officials (MUST SEE!)
The Vineyard of the Saker
26 August
For those with only 90 seconds to spare:
24:30 - 26:02:
Let me clarify. No federalization can be possible today. There is a time for everything. We asked for the federalization three months ago, then we asked for permission to hold a referendum. That time has passed; now we want to live independently…By now so much blood has been spilled and so many people have died for freedom. How can we speak of federalization?…we want to live independently. We have very rich land…We are a self-sufficient region with its agriculture, developed industry, forests, fields, and seas.
Donetsk National Republic (DNR) newly created military forces announced at the press conference excerpted above:
• 2 tank battalions
• 2 full artillery brigades
• 2 Grad divisions
• 1 mechanized infantry battalion
• 3 infantry brigades
• 1 special purpose assault airborne brigade
• 2 field hospitals
• 1 maintenance brigade
kiev zionist jews accumulated nearly 15 billion cubic meters of gas in its underground storage.
the pipes and the gas
did they build it
did they make it
did they drain it
did the suck it
did they pay for it
or just steal it.
by freezing the zionist nazi
it will tempt some folks to burn tora
and talmud to keep warm.
happy hanukkah scum suckers
zionist nazi
Just glad I wasn't drinking my Screwdriver when I read that
Check out Tony's new video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAmLXrMv4-c
I wish I was Russian. Or spoke Russian. Only real men left on the planet.
The few.....the proud......the Russian Marines.
STEINMEIER SEES DANGEROUS ESCALATION IN UKRAINE IN RECENT DAYS
Yes, US & EU funded Nazi's getting asses kicked!
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/746940
The guy in the picture really should pull down his pants before he takes a dump.
you shall mossad die for your anti semetic rant.
that is king rat the wondering gas guzzeling who
Ignoring Ukraine’s Neo-Nazi Storm Troopers
Exclusive: You might think a story about modern-day Nazi storm troopers attacking a European city without mercy would merit front-page coverage in the U.S. press, but not when the Nazi paramilitaries are fighting for the U.S.-backed Ukrainian government and are killing ethnic Russians, writes Robert Parry.
By Robert Parry
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/08/13/ignoring-ukraines-neo-nazi-storm-tr...
nothings as bad as an 'Anxious German' especialy thils close to Oktoberfest..
If this pipeline was running through a war-ravaged middle-eastern country it would have sections of it blown up on a regular basis. Isn't it odd in the middle of a "civil war" there hasn't been any significant damage to the pipelines running through Ukraine?
Why wouldn't Russia cut off the gas?
to avoid giving the U.S./E.U. any further pretext to paint Russia as the aggressor. When Ukraine/Europe breaches the contract sufficiently, then Russia has a solid legal justification for cutting off the gas.
I would like to add to that.
With enough time, the Uke pawns will figure out the truth. Then, they will turn en masse against their true aggressors. By standing back, the Russians are controlling their opposition cheaply.
Vlad Putin as Paulie in Goodfellas.
"Pipeline broken?" "F You - pay me!"
I wonder if the EU is starting to regret backing the U.S in it's overthrow of the Ukraine government. The U.S goes stir the pot and everybody else pays the price.
Exactly how can an abstraction experience regret? You know, you only further aid the sociopaths in control by playing their game of "collectives acting as real humans."
The EU cannot experience regret because it isn't living, breathing, thinking entity. To equate a collective as such is to deny the humanity of all of the individuals who fall under this fictional identity (more of that "everybody else pays the price").
Shake off them chains, Doc!
Yeah,
Speaking figurativly gives them a big boost.
Sheesh.
No, i am sorry we do not.
It seems that once we have set our mind to something (like the euro) we go all-in.
America is makeing a lot of money at the moment because the investment that would normally go to EU is coming to America . All the farm stuff that used to go from EU to Russia is coming hear and keeping the infatoin down a bit so it is win win for Amerika, and fuck EU its going to get bombed again any way.
The EU is a collection if very different countries headed by an UNELECTED pro-American mafia. There is no cohesion, no coherent vision, not even any connection between those countries.
Imagine: you in the USA are a federation. So, you have a press, a national TV, radios, etc, that cover the whole of the federation. There's none of that in Europe. No European TV, no European press, no radios, nothing. Each country has its own News channels, its own brand of politics... and it's all headed, as I said, by some bureaucratic 'treaties' the EU populations doesn't even know the contents of, voted against the will of the populations, made to please the USA, and with unelected leaders. And the people are brainwashed to believe there's nothing wrong with any of that.
So, when you say the EU, you're referring to the unelected corrupt bunch at the top. We, in Europe, don't even know who the fuck these dudes are.
Putin is bluffing. He needs the revenue, more so now.
But this news still qualifies to rally the markets.
Putin is securing major streams of revenue via BRICS dealings and trade relations with China at the moment. His ambitious tactics are netting Russia revenue sources that are resistant to European whining and sniveling. After the first frost this fall its going to be like nonstop reruns of Benny Hill in all the Euro parliaments as REAL panic sets in.
Gas to China isn't gonna happen overnight. Lines have to be constructed Smiley.
Between the regiems in Russia ans China it is done in a wiffy.
Russia can survive a year or two without economic growth China perhaps too.
How about EU/US ?
http://www.clivemaund.com/article.php?art_id=3278
Vlad and China "ain't" dealing with proud American unionized labor like the Teamsters. You know those lazy fuxx who vote Obama and Democreep.
The Russians laid all that Gazprom pipe very quickly. The Chinese could probably finish their sections in a few months. Europe is so stupid. They have had their citizens murdered for centuries by the Red Shield with offices in Berlin, Frankfurt, Milan, London and Switzerland.
The bigger fear for the EU is that once the pipeline from Russia to China is built -- that natty gas is heading only one way, and it won't be going back to the EU!
Wow, watched RT this morning and it was reported that the talks went well. Wasn't it Ukraine who said in the last couple of weeks they were going to sanction Russia by cutting off gas and oil? Putin said that will only hurt EU. Now Ukraine says Putin said he is going to do it.
I can't trust the Ukraine on anything anymore. But then again, they are in bed with Obama and are learning from his playbook and his world stature and reputation as the Father of Lies!
Putin showed some hi-res images of the downing of MH17 to proshenko yesterday evening (mano y mano) and now Kiev has to go all in to get NATO support.
Are there any images available on the web?
Wasn't it just a couple of weeks ago that Ukrain wanted to turn off the gas.
They just requested NATO assistance so,.....blaim Russia to get it ?
Hard to fault Putin for turning off gas to those who want to nuke Russians:
Ukrainians must take up arms against Russians so that not even scorched earth will be left where Russia stands; an example of former Ukrainian PM Yulia Tymoshenko’s vitriol in phone call leaked online.
Tymoshenko confirmed the authenticity of the conversation on Twitter, while claiming that a section where she is heard to call for the nuclear slaughter of the eight million Russians who remain on Ukrainian territory was edited.
She tweeted “The conversation took place, but the '8 million Russians in Ukraine' piece is an edit. In fact, I said Russians in Ukraine – are Ukrainians. Hello FSB :) Sorry for the obscene language.”
The former Ukrainian PM has not clarified who exactly she wants to nuke.
The leaked phone call took placed on March 18, hours after the Crimea & Sevastopol accession treaty was signed in the Kremlin.
http://rt.com/news/tymoshenko-calls-destroy-russia-917/
Europe is toast so it dosen't matter. It's a continent filled with gutless man who allow the muslims to dictate what Europe's future will be. We here in the US are also in deep trouble but there are some here who will have the courage and the means to fight to the end. In Europe you don't have the means, guns, or the courage to do this. Enjoy being a new member of the european caliphate. Or how about this,, get off your fucking knees and take back your countries !!!
Fighting isn't nearly as courageous as walking away while saying "FU!" If you haven't noticed, "they" are doing their damnedest to get as many people fighting as possible, as it provides cover for their criminal nature's unsustainable facade.
Americans are just as cowardly watching TV and ball games while a muslim destroys their country. The US Military and Pentagon love Obama.
3x same post. what's up schoolboy exceed your mental capacity.
Europe is toast so it dosen't matter. It's a continent filled with gutless man who allow the muslims to dictate what Europe's future will be. We here in the US are also in deep trouble but there are some here who will have the courage and the means to fight to the end. In Europe you don't have the means, guns, or the courage to do this. Enjoy being a new member of the european caliphate. Or how about this,, get off your fucking knees and take back your countries !!!
"...take back your countries !!!"
You're exceptional at whining like a little girl and transfering responsibility.
Europe is toast so it dosen't matter. It's a continent filled with gutless man who allow the muslims to dictate what Europe's future will be. We here in the US are also in deep trouble but there are some here who will have the courage and the means to fight to the end. In Europe you don't have the means, guns, or the courage to do this. Enjoy being a new member of the european caliphate. Or how about this,, get off your fucking knees and take back your countries !!!
Tosted once is eatable, toasted three times is just burned.
"..........We here in the US are also in deep trouble but there are some here who will have the courage and the means to fight to the end.........."
SHOW ME WHERE THEY ARE?
"We here in the US are also in deep trouble but there are some here who will have the courage and the means to fight to the end. "
you are so full of s**t.
ROFLMAO
you gotta be kidding me tncaver America has the bigggest scum sucking sheepish population on the planet!
most armed nation on the planet still wont sack up and insurrect! rather wait on their fat retarted asses and wait for everything to collapse to do something...just pray that if America's military is allowed to will step in at the that point to sort all this out and that they will restore true law and order. If they are not able to step in or are on the side of .gov hooray you all get your post apocalyptic wish cuz it be extermination time!
America now has a moral world obligation to revolt and throw off the giant parasite known as .gov but will you? of course not just the frog in the pot slowly being boiled...................AS WELL AS CHEMTRAILED! POISIONED! AND IRRADIATED. "idiots"
The USA where their nuclear weapons are under control of an Israeli general.
http://www.airforcetimes.com/article/20131212/CAREERS03/312120026/Weinst...
<-- Come November/Dec, Gas-for-Rubles, Euros and Yen
<-- Come November/Dec, Gas-for-Dollars
Gas-math exercise:
[1] Pay up, or it's "No Gas for You!"
[2] No gas = "No Soup for You!"
Solve equations [1] and [2] for the "Gas Root" of Geo-Politics. Tick. tock.
Ukraine cry wolf already..you Nazi bastards.
you confused pampered folks under esti matey the toughness and heroic nature of kiev bandera the israeli idf and the mighty pole ish nations.
these tough cracked kosher nuts can live and thrive on raw potato and cabbages, the wind generated by sauerkraut digestion for yat rat storage shall be enough to see the nazi through harsh winter to the next glorious kiev spring again.
cum sucking spring it's all gargill,monsanto,bayer and chevron frack futures and war immune gmo.
down with putin destroy the water and the honey bee disorder .
human and bee collapse are the nazi zion orders.
Yes - we have heard for decades how tough the IDF is. In 2006, when they came up against Hezboolah with Russian Kornet anti-tank missiles, we found out just how tough they are.
They left Lebanon in a hurry and have never returned. they keep telling Putin not to sell Kornet's or S-300s. When they are up against modern weapons - they are as vulnerable as any army.
Hezboolah has also been making ISIS life miserable. I am not a cheerleader for Hezboolah but they stand up to bullies and thugs.
It reminds one of the Italian Ethiopian War. As long as the locals had only spears to throw for anti-aircraft defense, the Italians were invincible in their bombing campaigns.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Italo-Ethiopian_War
Of course they are...they are a testing ground for US weapons but as in 1973 they face defeat if up against Egypt which is why they have been able to beat up on the others......what was it Sadat said, more boys are born in Egypt in a day than in a year in Israel
The Kornet anti-tank missile, very cheap way to dispose of a 4.2 mil$ Abrams, S300 ground to air missile, very cheap way to dispose of a 356 mil$ F22 Raptor, Oniks Anti-ship missile, very very very cheap way to dispose of US trill$ Flat Tops: The US military, proud owners of expensive "JUNK", If the US dare take on Russia in her own back yard they could be bankrupt in a couple of days.
Somebody should cut off the oxygen to this worthless, wannabe nation of zio-nazis.
"zio-nazis" ?
Er... na, forgeddit.
It appears that apart from Greeks, two battalions of Serbs and even 25 US citizens are fighting alongside militia in southeast Ukraine.
According to some reports, within the Vostok Battalion, DPR’s most prominent defense force, are volunteers from Spain, Italy, France, Spain, Canada, Russia and Poland. NOT BAD!!!
Dang, this sounds like the Spanish civil war all over again. Is Slavyansk the new Guernica?
more details:
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.fr/
Just pay your fucking gas bill. Anxiety and panic will never surface.
The US to the EU, the Ukies (and ISIS, Saddam Hussein, Gadhafi, everyone who has lived in Afghanistan the past 40 years, etc. etc. etc.):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOXtWxhlsUg
Few days ago Ukie fascists have been telling, that they will get the gas from Germany.
And the set of reverse flow was conducted this week...on the 1.9. the reverse flow will be run to freplenish Ua storage. So I do not get it, why are the Ukies today unhappy.
Reverse flow testing (spectator is a CIA asset)
http://spectator.sme.sk/articles/view/55016/3/ukraine_reverse_flow_pipe_...
and here CIA asset reports:
http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-slovakia-reverse-flow/26534011.html
as i understand it, RWE sold its oil and gas whatever to RU. RWE was part of the reverse flow consortium. But maybe not anymore.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-16/rwe-agrees-to-sell-7-1-billion-...
RWE sold DEA - like most German utilities it is bust after Merkel pulled the plug on nuclear
Correct, RWE sold their pumping subsidiary to the Russians, who now seem to have control of reverse flow. Brilliant move by Putin.
as the temperatures set lower, the hard talking gets louder
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he and mutti merkel are making DE the laughing stock of the world.
a number of commentators (can't find the link, s**t) are saying that mutti merkel is no longer a RU confidant. she blew it with her slavish attachment to the amis. DE is down. Steinmeier has always been a clown. He has never been known as having a creative side something that merkel appreciates, no competition. When you look at her political history as Chancelor she is akin to the female Black Widow spider. This lady is destroying DE.
Putin is not likely to play the gas cutoff card just on Ukraine - but he might demand pre-payment by Ukraine -- which will need to borrow the cash from the EU or US. The BIG CUTOFF will be reserved for when (of if) the EU actually does something foolish like put NATO troops in the Ukraine.
I wonder why the Ukrainian government is even involved in the gas business.
For example, I pay $20 each month to my local gas company. Then it probably pays $10 or 50% of my money to its wholesale gas supplier. Where is the government in this business?
Oh, jeez... Ukraine at it again... WILD accusations...
First it was "Russia is invading Crimea".
Then, "Russia is firing artillery over the border."
And "Russian soldiers are coming over the border in armor".
Now it's "The Russians are going to cut off the gas in winter."
Jeez, can you believe these guys?
YATS----EN------YUK
freeze
Please let it be true. Like Christmas in September
I'm sure Vlad is suggesting to Merkel that she sends a team of observers to monitor the volume of Germany-headed Gas that goes into the pipeline.
I bet my Kid's complaints about how short summer is are nothing compared to those of Angela.
At this point Putin holds all the cards, this will become more obvious as winter nears and events unfold. It seems both Russia and many of the separatist in Eastern Ukraine would support federalization. Surely, no reason exist for Kiev to be opposed other than a loss of power. A more federalized government is also the most plausible way of keeping Ukraine intact.
Support for sanctions is mixed in Europe as some countries fear Russia and have an ax to grind with Putin while others wish to move forward. Saber rattling has only lead to death and destruction. As I see it little good will come from further bloodshed and it is time for the West to stop sending money to Kiev so they can ramp up the violence and continue the civil war. More on the progress being made in the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/08/eu-moving-towards-deal-on-ukraine...
"Germans Anxious"....
....yes, but not about it's own gas supply.
The buzzword is "Reverse flow".....which means something like: "Reverse money"...
It seemes that also the Russian-Ukrain problem will be solved by the empty purse of German taxpayers....not really a surprise.
For sure not the worst way to convince the public from Draghis money-printing plans.