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German Security Expert Warns "War Between Russia And The West Is A Real Possibility"
"The de-escalation strategy with Moscow has failed," warns Joachim Krause, Director of the Institute for Security Studies, concluding ominously that "A war between Russia and the West... is a real possibility." As Handelsblatt reports, Krause states "we should not deny this reality any longer."
From Handelsblatt (via Google Translate),
The Director of the Institute for Security Studies at the University of Kiel, Joachim Krause, holding a war between Russia and the West for possible, the West should now not clearly show the flag in view of the escalating situation in Ukraine. "A war between Russia and the West, I do not wind up currently, but if the West will not respond with the necessary determination and effectiveness, a war in a few years could be a real possibility," Krause told Handelsblatt Online.
The fact that Russia's invasion takes place in the Ukraine a week before the NATO summit, show that Kremlin chief Vladimir Putin challenged the West generally. "We should set out and deny this reality any longer."
"What we are experiencing these days, is an armed aggression of Russia against Ukraine," Krause said. He referred to the aggression defined by the United Nations of 1974 Then was also to be considered "sending by or on behalf of a State of armed bands, groups, irregulars or mercenaries" as interstate aggression, "if this is of such gravity as to in its consequences a regular invasion equals ".
Thus, the policy of the federal government had failed to hold a de-escalation strategy which Moscow to intervene militarily in the Ukraine.
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But, with with US equities a fraction away from all time highs, and just barely below 2000, shouldn't there be no risk of any conflict according to the all-knowing market, which is never wrong?
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Oh... with Russia's army... and Europe's army...
the odds are... 500 to 1...
LET'S DO THIS!!!!
and put me up for a 1000 euro's on Russia!
Russia will sit back a few years and let these the EU and US bleed themselves out before invading.
You can get a Russian flag for 4€ on Amazon. I bought one. Invasion insurance.
nsa logged that with interest. you will be droned soon.
Could you imagine working at the NSA right now? I bet those dudes are busy as hell, not only are they having to "monitor" people like returning war veterans, Tea Partiers, Libertarians, but also American ex pats who see the upcoming banker war for what it is, AS WELL AS THE RUSSIANS!?
Good lord, the need more money.
Meanwhile, Russia And China will dump the dollar, and soon. China knows if Russia goes down economically, the're next on the hit list.
Besides, China's emerging crisis will require blowing through its reserves to buy maybe 2-3 years. May as well unify against the Hedgemon USA.
what a complkete idiot!
Quick, Quick, we need a world war to blame Russia for the imminent collapse of the Stock Market and Quadrilllion in derivatives!
protests in kiev:
http://rt.com/news/183396-kiev-poroshenko-military-protest/
kiev junta will have to go full fascist soon to keep power.
...This past week's, SUPPOSED "Russia's Hacking of USSA Elite Banks" may be the False Flag the West will use for WW3.
Must
Have
WAR!
The West is bankrupt and up to its eyeballs in debt.
Western politicians want to inflate away the debt.
The BRICS and the rest of the world are moving to a gold monetary system that is stable and where debt can't be inflated away.
The West's policiticians will call for war.
Message from the European public to the warmongering US cunts and their spineless EU lackeys in Brussels:
Go
Fuck
Yourselves.
I thought Ojackass 'reset' relationship with Russia?
Now talk of war? What happened?
Quick, get Hillary to hit that reset button!!
It's going to get mighty cold this winter in the EuroZone.
WW111, just in time to be traded by the wall street scum returning from the Hamptons.
@espirit
It depends on the country :
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-12/can-europe-survive-without-russian-gas
I doubt any monetary system run by humans will ever have debt that dose not inflate away.
What the world really needs is a store of value so savers can side step that inevitable over printing of the medium of exchange.
http://www.usagold.com/halldiscussion.html
You need a monetary unit that does not inflate and blow bubbles as well as a store of value that doesn't decline in value.
I'd settle for Wheat Thins.....
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Don't worry... BO will put on his bike helment an mom jeans and surrender to Putin at his earliest opportunity. He may even ask to be Vlad's bitch.
Already is Vlad's bitch
Fuck Soros, did Vald buy puts yeg?
somone else already owns obamao...
http://www.deesillustration.com/artwork.asp?item=656&cat=satire
I thought he was Kenyan, not French. Sumthin' new ev'ry day...
@Ms. Erable
Where does this ugly disdain for the French come from?
Because they surrendered to the Germans in WWII after losing 260,000 men wounded and 108,000 killed during the invasion? Of course, no ...
In fact this ugly disdain and pitiful jokes come from the firm refusal of the French to join America in Irak, in 2003.
But History has proved that the French were right.
Nevertheless the hate of the american warmongers remains still there, well alive.
They have not forgiven the offence, and their stale hate still show through so-called innocent (?) jokes about the “surrender monkeys”.
As for the rest, the French can be proud of their Military History which remains despite these stupid jokes by far the best military record in Europe.
Lighten up Francis...
The American hatred for the French has almost nothing to do with WWII. After all, everyone'S favorite midget dictator was a complete badass.
See, I have two theories;
1) Americans hate countries we have never gone to war with. Seriously. Every country we have fought, we have at least a little respect for. We have never fought the French. If we go to war, we'll make video games and movies about it for the next 70 years and the jokes will stop.
2) What I find more likely is the disdain by Americans is that the French were world badasses. A competitor to British rule for hundreds of years just to collapse into socialism and today -- their biggest exports are 1) Tourism, 2) Tires, 3) Cars, for which they lost 0.10€ per 1€ invested. I imagine if Marie le Pen gets elected and essentially tells the whole world to fuck themselves, all the French jokes will stop and quickly.
Because the French politicans and military leadership were fairly moronic during WWI and WWII, not to mention the abhorrent treatment of Marshal Petain after WWII for following his conscience and doing his best to save French lives after he wasted so many at Verdun. The 'cheese-eating surrender monkey' meme was around long before 2003; it was certainly not new when I was a kid around a half century ago.
The 'best military record in Europe' ended in 1813 at Leipzig. Hell, even the Mexicans beat them. And let's not talk about that little incident in 1879, either. Care to go back a few centuries and try to support that statement? Crecy? Poitiers? Agincourt? Rossbach? Minden? Wandiwash? Villinhause?
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html
End of discussion on French military competence, methinks.
However, having a French couple moving in next door on Sunday I have to be more tolerant these days...
About WWI:
While France was fighting since August 1914, the United States entered in the war only in April 1917 (more than 2 years and 8 months later), not to rescue the French (who were not at all defeated in 1917), but because, President Wilson judged it was the US national interest to do it in response to the declaration by Germany of a total submarine war against US ships. The United States came significantly in action (1 division) at the battle of Seicheprey in April 1918 (only 7 months before the end of the war) and then at the Battle of Belleau Wood in June 1918. They also had a sucessful offensive at St. Mihiel salient in Sept. 1918 ... only an appreciated help, which allowed shortening the war. But, by far the greatest contribution to victory of WWI was from the French, and to victory of WWII from the Russians (in both cases at a high price) ...
BTW, OK, The Mexicans beat a little French and Austrian expeditionary army corps.
Crecy? Agincourt? : oK, but the French also had some victories as the 100 years war (in fact 116 years) ended by the complete defeat of England which lost all territories on the Continent (except the Pale of Calais).
French morale was given a much-needed boost by the US entry into the war even before the first doughboy arrived, and a large portion of the French army was in a state of mutiny around the same time. And while Petain cleaned up a lot of Nivelle's mess, he certainly didn't keep his promise of 'no more useless attacks". Let's also not forget the Crown's contribution to the mass blood sacrifice that was WWI.
But let's look a little deeper into'the best militatry record in Europe' then, shall we?
And I've even left a few out to improve their record, which looks like 2 wins/2 ties or assists/16 losses from here. Far from the best military record in Europe.
Don't see only the bad faces of the medals.
Here is what explains how the French, surrounded by the Germans, English, Dutch, Italians and Spaniards (among others), succeeded to won and guard the largest country in the very heart of Europe: According British historian Niall FERGUSON, since 387 BC, France has fought 168 major wars against such badasses as the Roman Empire, the British Army and the Turkish forces. Their track record isn't too shabby, either: They've won 109, lost 49 and drawn 10 times.
This makes France the most successful military power in European history - in terms of number of fought and won …
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_France
LIST OF FEW WARS WON BY FRANCE
- 451 - Franks mercenaries take part to the Battle of Catalaunique fields (Huns and Attila are expelled)
- 481, Clovis becomes King of the Francs. Considered first King of French history, and forefather father of all French kings in Frankish dynasties, Merovingians, Carolingians and Capetians
- Battle of Soisson 486, romans definitely beaten in occident
- Battle of Tolbiac (496 or 506), Franks beat the Alamani.
- Battle of Dijon (500), Franks beat the Burgundies.
- Battle of Vouillé, Franks beat the Wisigoths.
- 732, Poitiers, Charles Martel pushed back the Arabs from France and saves western Europe and its civilisation
- Battles of Narbonne and Nimes (737). Last Moorish strongholds taken by Franks in South of France
- Saxon wars (772 804) Charlemagne conquering east saxons
- Conquest of Lombardy by Charlemagne (774)
- Charlemagne, King of the Franks, Emperor of the west (800)
- 889, King Oddo victory over Vikings at Siege of Paris with only 200 knights
- Val de Saire (1001)
- Hastings victory and conquest of England (1066)
- First crusade (1095 1099). Establishment of crusader states
- Third crusade (1189 1192)
- Fourth crusade (1202 1204)
- Angevin Capetian conflict, victory at Bouvines (1214), King Philip of France recovers his territoty
- Saintonge war (1242)
- Conquest of Sicily by Charles of Anjou (son of Louis VIII of France) in 1265.
- Sainsardos war (1324)
- French invasions of Flanders 1328.
- 100 Years war (1337 1453) Caroline war (1369 - 1389) and Charles VII and Joan of Arc war (1429 - 1453) included – Finished by the expulsion of the English fron France
- Castillan civil war (1366 - 1369)
- Breton Succession war (1364)
- Italian war 1515-1517
- Italian war 1536-38
- Italian war 1542-46
- Italian war 1551-59
- Conquest of Calais (1558) by Duc de Guise.
- French religion war, England failed to protect French protestants at Siege of La rochelle and retreated in 1628.
- Thirty years war (1618 - 1648) Victory over Spain, France becomes more powerfull nation of Europe
- War of Devolution (1667 - 1668)
- Franco Dutch war (1672 - 1678)
- War of the Reunions (1683 - 1684)
- 9 years war (1688 - 1697)
- King William's war (1689 - 1697)
- War of the Spanish succession (1701 - 1714) Victories at the end of the conflict, Prince Philippe of France, King Louis XIV nephew, become King of Spain. Until today, the King of Spain is a Bourbon
- War of Quadruple Alliance (1718 - 1720)
- War of Polish Succession (1733 - 1738) - French victory but Stanislas will not reign over Poland. He will have the duchy of Lorraine that will be definitely annexed by France at his death, according to the treaty
- Austrian succession war (1740 - 1748) British lost the Netherlands that King of France gave back with chivalry "I'm the king of France, not a shop owner..."
- King george's war (1740 - 1748)
- First Carnatic war (1744 - 1748)
- American revolutionary war (1775 -1783). Lafayette and French help heavily contributed to american success, notably with the naval battle of the Chesapeake and the victory of Yorktown, where more than half of the fighters were French soldiers
- French Revolutionary wars (1792 - 1802), (1st and 2nd coalition wars)
- French revolutionary armies conquered Europe, Britain recognised the conquests at treaty of Amiens
- War of the Oranges (1801)
- War of third Coalition (1805)
- War of Fourth Coalition (1806 - 1807)
- War of Fifth Coalition (1809)
- French corsairs attacks on British commercial fleet (Surcouf)
- Franco trarzan war (1825)
- Conquest of Algeria (1830)
- Mandingo wars (1883 1898)
- Dahomey wars (1890 1894)
- Franco siamese war (1893). Laos ceded to France
- Wadai war (1909 1911)
- Rif war (1920), Franco Spanish victory
- French mandate of Syria (1920)
- Greek war of Independence (1821 1829)
- First carlist war (1833 1839)
- Pastry war (1838)
- Crimean war (1854 - 1856), first war fought with Britain as ally...
- Second Opium war (1856 1860)
- Second Italian war of Independance (1859) Absolute victory over austrians that allowed North Italy to unite
- Sino French war (1884 - 1885) occupation of Taiwan and Tonkin Protectorate
- Boxer rebellion ( 1899 1901)
- WW1 (1914 - 1918) – with Verdun, the most brutal battle of WW1, one of the greatest battle of all times, where France managed to defeat the Germans. During this war the French suffered about 5.7 million casualties
- WW2 (1939 - 1945) Despite 1940's defeat, where in just a month and a half of fighting the French army counted 84,000 dead in its ranks - this is 4 times more than the losses of the American army in three months of battles in Normandy (21000) - French free forces fought with allies until the end of the war
- Algerian independance (1954 - 1962) French army success but diplomatic negociations led Algerians to their independence
- Until now, various NATO and UNO missions in the world (Ivory Coast, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Haiti, DR Congo, Lybia, Mali...)
If you have an aversion to reading, you can listen to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEcYAbtJcKk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH67_RqNlGE
As a french , the only thing that comes to mind after reading that is PLEASE SHUT IT.
Watch this socialist dreamland collapse under its own stupidity , and come back with something relevant to report.
As a non-French, an American with Prussian ancestery
I would love to see a strong France on the continent go toe to toe with the Germans and British. Competetion is good for everyone. Right now though, sorry to say, your countries' proud history (before 1820) has been corrupted with slothfulness and extreme political correctness.
If you guys elect Marie le Pen, I'll learn French next instead of Russian.
As a french , the only thing that comes to mind after reading that is PLEASE SHUT IT.
Watch this socialist dreamland collapse under its own stupidity , and come back with something relevant to report.
Since most people completely suck at knowing real history, they fail to realize that the "Anti-French" propaganda and sentiment originates in "historical baggage" from the English-French monarchical wars that went on for centuries.
Although the US would NOT exist if it were not for the French, this was eventually forgotten when the dominant Anglos in N. Am. expanded on the continent. A person would do well to research and study the culture and -- more importantly -- the Worldviews of these (and other) cultures.
Although "The brain is a terrible thing to waste", it appears that "Ignorance is a great thing to enjoy and propagate" -- if 90% of posts on most blog sites are any indication.
Best war record in europe my arse...
- Gallic Wars- Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian.
- Hundred Years War- Mostly lost, saved at last by female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare; "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman." Sainted.
- Italian Wars- Lost. France becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars when fighting Italians (no disrespect to Italians)
- Wars of Religion- France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots
- The Napoleonic Wars- lost. Done by a man with great taste in footwear...
- Battle of Trafalgar (my favourite) you and your spanish chums this time.
Let's not mention indochina eh?
@Grumpy Old Man - Don't learn History in bad cartoons :
Just a sample: You write ""Hundred Years War - Mostly lost, saved at last by female schizophrenic"
I fact, the last major battle of this war occured 22 years after Jeanne d'Arc death. The battle of Castillon cost the English around 4000 killed.
BTW:
The naval battle of Trafalgar is your favorite: Mine favorite is the battle of Chesapeake.
"Where does this ugly disdain for the French come from?" No its just because they are so "French"
"Kiev junta will have to go full fascist soon to keep power" It is a true statement. At the same time, Putin's zionist-controlled junta is not much different.
Putin is not fighting for Russian and Ukrainian people. He is fighting for the Moscow Zionist oligarchs to take control over a part of Ukraine from Zionist oligarchs in Kiev.
Unfortunately, there are no good junta up there. Putin is just another Sadam Hussein or Assad. He is a low-life gangster and a thug.
Ok so you are bound and determined to have a war with Russia....ok I get that, but will you please just keep the killing and damage confined to American and Russian soil, just leave Europe out of it!
Screw you you Satanist Oligarch bastards! You and your minions all deserve to be duct taped to all the nuclear targets while the missles are coming in.
Billions will die, misery for all who are left.
Note to future generations, never allow people to be put in charge that hate humanity.
Note to future generations, never allow people to be put in charge. Simply, if they seek it there is an issue. Be involved!
Decentralization vs centralization.
We have gone WAY WAY too far in the direction of centralization, and the 'central' positions of power, whether it be media, justice, government, have all been compromised.
The only way to reverse it is to decentralize, not to 'find the right person for the job', who could somehow resist temptation and be free of corruption even in the midst of it (the proverbial virgin, reforming the whorehouse).
OFF TO THE DOOMSDAY MACHINE!!!!
thank god for adbloc.
Putin is just moving in to protect the pipeline of plenty.
The west "failed" in his de-esclation strategy. well, he never tried that to gein with. and now, the only way to prevent war is ever moar esclalation? WTF?
Meanwhile, Barry failed to bring even a tiny biot of peace to the world, he failed to punish the criminal banksters, he failed to protect the constitution and the freedom of the press, he failed to stop mass surveillance, he failed to make the Us of A even a little bit better. Of course, he, too, never actually tried to do anything of it...
C'mon, Barry got a Nobel Prize for all those failures. That's a win.
Wherever there is a 'Joachim' there is also a 'Boaz'. When do we hear from Boaz?
When intellectuals talk, Google Translate has difficulty translating the resultant complex sentences.
fx, speaking of "complkete" idiots... given the statement of "... is a real possibility."
Either Joachim Krause is the idiot, or the listener is the idiot -- for not asking him to explain the difference between an UNREAL possibility, versus a REAL possibility. IOW.. What the hell is a "REAL possibility"!?
When speaking, people need to say what they mean and mean what they say. When listening, people need to hold the speaker(s) accountable for both. When one, the other, or both fail in these functions, nothing good or constructive happens.
Krause is clearly just another political 'Muppet-on-a-String'. I hope that his audience is not.
p.s. Although the above link is entertaining, the following is informative..."Puppet on a String" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVGThNTs8Gw
Wherever there is a 'Joachim' there is also a 'Boaz'. When do we hear from Boaz?
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@Kirk2NCC1701
I agree that meaning what you say and saying what you mean is a good principle.
'A real possibility' is actually a standard expression. Almost everything that can happen in theory should be regarded as a ( theoretical ) possibility, but chances of many events are so low they can be dismissed. To make the distinction with such very very rare events and ones you better do not dismiss as 'not gonna happen', they use this expression 'a real possibility'. While you are correct in a literal sense, your reaction is misplaced as the meaning can be derived by the average person.
A california farmer is inspecting his crops, dead from the lack of water. He sees his wife packing her things, his children abandoning him, his dog also running away, and then he is served with an eviction notice.
He looks up at the sky and yells: God Damn Putin!
-From the New American Book of Political demonization fairy tales.
This made me laugh.
Back in Cold War days experts came on TV every now and then claiming Russia had secret machines to contol hurricanes, earthquakes, volcano eruptions and pretty much every natural even short of drought. Perhaps we could revive the tradition.
I know for sure there's cloud and hail dispersion technology. Maybe we could dress it up a bit and say Russian planes, or Chinese ones flying over South China Sea had been spaying something into California air. The state dept. could send out a tweet for extra credibility, as twitter now is an Encyclopedia Britannica of truth.
good one
This was an "old Latvian" joke moved to California reality
Risingsun will no doubt confirm it!
Latina Lover, you've summed up a psychopathic thought nearly to perfection. If you change "A california farmer is inspecting his crops, dead from the lack of water" to "A farmer is inspecting his crops, dead from his own neglect", it'll be perfect.
Don't look at the unemployment rate or the chocolate rations...we're at war with Oceania.
For as long as Winston can recall, Oceania has been in a constant state of war – with whom it was at war is of neither importance nor consequence.
This utter stupidity is echoed time and time on ZH despite Russia and China sharing almost nothing in common from a demographic or economic standpoint.
there are large swaths of ethnic Chinese settled in Western Russia.
they work together militarily, economically and in trade.
China knows those USD reserves they're holding are none redeemable. Any country for that matter that's holding USD reserves knows that as well. So you're right if I were China I might as well dump the USD or I might not even get a copper penny for my USD if others beat me in dumping first.
Don't forget all the monitoring they do of every comment made on ZH!!!! "I always feel like, somebody's watching me..."
relax...
oh... and can you clean the smudge form your webcam? we can't get a clear mugshot from you... I mean... It's bad for the lens if you don't clean it...
I always thought it would be fun to send out a ton of emails with key words such as Jihad and Dirty Bomb and stuff like that, and then have like Windows 98 on there with no security, and nothing but skat porn.
Some poor intern at Langly. Its like the poor bastard at the NSA who had to look at all the dirty photos of Merkel from her phone.
Oh well, joke here in Germany was that the American ambassador to Germany gave Merkel a new cell phone for her birthday last month.
Dirty photos of Merkel?
That hurts my brain.
This is a pretty good cover.
< Night with Frau Merkel
< Night with Hitlery
Pick one at gunpoint.
Gut instinct says Merkel but Hillary's got a lot to prove on the cock-sucking test. I can't call this one.
I up-arrowed you, and found myself thinking: "What have I done!"
Luckily I looked around to find no gun pointing at me, nor are Hitlery or Merkel in close proximity. Phew...
Go ahead and shoot.
I would have to pick Merkel, if it were Hitlery only one of us would come out alive.
Funny. But should only be done on a laptop that was purchased at a flea market using some bogus email account via somebody else's unsecured wifi connection. Or something like that. Just spit-balling folks.
No, you were right the first time... I'm relaxing all over the place. I got electical tape all over that lens!
Round band-aids work great on laptops/tablets/phones. As does plumber's putty in the mic.
I use Blue Painters tape, Triple Layered! And on the Mic too!
I'm just an average man, with an average life.
I work from nine to five; hey hell, I pay the price.
All I want is to be left alone in my average home;
But why do I always feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone, and
I always feel like somebody's watching me.
And I have no privacy.
Woh, I always feel like somebody's watching me.
Tell me is it just a dream?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YvAYIJSSZY
classic
"You live in the city
You mind your own business
What you see you don't see
But some people they always see
They never mind their own business
You move to the country
You live in the hills
You think you're far from the weak
When you check it them-a use spying glass
They want to know rasta business..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAucMQy7d48
To those who worry about being "watched", there are things you can do to lessen the worry part:
Don't post anything you would not be embarrassed about or could not defend publicly -- if forced to. This means that you'll have to put some thought into your choice of words. This is not a problem for most ZHers, but clearly a serious challenge for some. Which means that many are here to enlighten each other, and some are here to entertain us.
Bottom line: Fuck the NSA! Don't worry, be happy. Don't forget to breathe, step away from that bottle, meds/drugs or keyboard, and get some fresh air and sunshine. (Applies to me also - especially the "step away from the keyboard!" part).
Don't: Advocate the use of violence or force, against specific individuals.
Don't: Commit libel.
If you think something you are posting should see the 'light of day', and you think it would look good in court documents, go right ahead!
Winter is coming. No need to invade.
None of this really matters (although I agree one should be clear and not resort to absurdly violent ideas just because the state has become absurdly violent). They have lists for the Raging Grannies or whatever the protest group is called. Singing old songs that could be misconstrued as dangerous is enough to get you on a list. Back in the 60s even Canada had a secret police tasked with keeping names, anyone the least bit radical or related to a radical would be rounded up and sent to concentration camps in the event of serious protests, insurrection, or revolution.
This was 50 years ago, being a relative of someone that went to a protest or a hippie festival meant you were on a list and could be rounded up within hours. Just imagine what it's like now...
Clearly the stories about the killed American ISIS fighters is the prelude to more security, more spying, less rights, all the time.
Dont forget spying on granny's AOL account.
Being a traitor is hard work.
No problem, he said "yes we scan"
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Soviet flag or Russian flag or both?
Sounds like a geat deal...better premium on the policy than would ever be offered by Allianz or Zurich.
Yeah, I figure it SHTF sticking it out on the balcony isn't a big deal. Although I'd probably trying to make a B-line for Switzerland.
I love my diversification at the moment;
1/3rd silver
1/3rd gold
1/6th Swiss Francs
1/6th Nordic Kroner
"make a B-line for Switzerland"
Don't expect Oli to let you into the fortress
Google maps:
Jestetten
I've already war gamed this out.
Good plan, I didn't know about that wee isthmus of Germany prodding into CH. I am sure the Swiss snipers do though.
BüS licenseplates are also part of the deal.
Whats a BüS license plate you might ask?
http://www.buesingen.de/Bild.bues./Kennzeichen.bues.gif
Whats so great about that?
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%BCsingen_am_Hochrhein
The Swiss will pluck you and fuck you.
Just before WWII many had the same idea.
Better pick up an ISIS flag too...just to be on the safe side..
Surrounded by enemies!!!
Instead of a flag, maybe one of those Russian brides. Will cost a hell of a lot more than 4€ though.
Better brush up on your Russian SD.
Joking aside, are normal 'folks' in Belgium pepared to go to war ?
That is the question to be asking: is there a single European country ready to go to war over this? I say no chance.
You assume they have any say in the matter.
Yes, the Belgians after the second world war developed a secret weapon.
Belgium has one of the most beautiful highway systems in the world. 6 lanes of beautiful concrete, completely illuminated at night, and and wonderfully maintained. They built them so that the next time the Germans and the French want to go at it, the Belgians can open up their borders "Yes, this way, come right on through here, please don't stop, just keep going."
I suppose it could work the same way for an advancing Russian army and a collapsing NATO. "Yes, please don't stop (shit does anyone know how to say that in Russian)"
But there's a speed limit and trajectory control and not mentioning the traffic, it would still take them 5 hours to cross our country!!!
WE'VE GOT THEM RIGHT WHERE WE WANT TO HAVE THEM!!!
At which point the Belgian Air Force will show up with the European Unity fighter to drop Waffels on them. Where are the Canadians?
Waffles go well with Maine made maple syrup also. No need to to bring in the Canucks. Besides, you'd be amazed at how many rock/sugar maple trees are tapped by Canadian outfits. It's faster to get onto paved roads via Canada, than through Maine.
More like prepared to step on a plane out of here :)
At least I would be :)
Belgium is going to put up a order for 40 joint strike fighters. Production will take 3 years...
3 years....
that says enough at how slow the rearmening is happening.
And than we still need to train the pilots or they'll be shot out of the air with a pellet gun!
Why does Belgium even have an Air Force?
Seriously, who would invade? The Germans or the French? No competeing with either one of them.
If the Russians are coming -- and Germany and Poland has already fallen and the US isn't there to back stop the program -- Belgium wouldn't do a thing.
This has "European Unity"/"EADS needs tax payer money" written all over it.
what else would we do with our tax money?
a hughe deficit each year doesn't come by itself you know!
and we use them for peace missions... with bombs and stuff...
AND A FEW YEARS BACK THEY WHERE FOLLOWING A UFO!!!!
NO KIDDING!!! BILLIONS WELL SPEND I SAY!!!
Thank Christ the Royal Belgian Air Force is there to protect us from Alien and Predator.
Belgium is still a country ? (sorry no offence but could not resist :)
We're still small but we're buying America piece by piece ;)
You know... You can never have enoughh parking space!
For the captured UFOs??
Belgians are always ready for war.
As long as someone else is doing the fighting.
Except for Jean-Claude Van Damme.
Actresses, Russians, doesn't matter to him.
He'll kick anyone's ass.
No need for a war, winter is coming and it could be a cold one. All Russia has to do is tell Gazprom to slowly turn off the natural gas spigot for Europe. Ukraine will have a tough time skimming off gas as it transits through the country if there isn't any gas coming through. Maybe Obama will solve Europe's future gas problem, he could ask Valerie Jarrett to handle this situation, just like she handled Obamacare's rollout. Or maybe Obama will pass up being the Wizard of Oz and instead go on a golf vacation in Palm Beach, Florida.
I have $100 bet that Putin will shut off the gas...even though he has said 100 times he will not...he lies..and he is old KGB..and he wants that back
"Should Ukraine will soon join NATO, we just will cut gas for Ukraine!
And in the night we`ll cut gas to Europe!
So that we could cut the gas for everebody, just in case!"
These lyrics are from a song performed by Academic Ensemble of Moscow Military District.
The subs in this video are a literal translation of the lyrics of this song which was broadcast on Russian Ren-TV.
One of my favorite songs...It is such a catchy tune.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7RD5ONjv8M
A joke is just a funny way of telling the truth.
Yeah. Good bet. You will collect.
Shut if completely? No way just look at how important Gazprom and natural gas exports are to the Russian economy. Can't afford to for any period of duration.
Use it as a geopolitical weapon to impose pressure on former Soviet republics, Eastern Europe, and the rest of the EU to take a more pro-Russian viewpoint/stance. Absolutely.
Is Europe the only market for Gazprom?
With CNN headlines like this, I guess it is a possibility. Talk about fear mongering:
Ukraine: 'This is afull-scale invasion'
what if there would be...
A RUSSIAN EBOLA WAR INVASION!!!!!
(drums please)
"The Russians are coming, the Russians are coming, Emergency, everybody to get from street!"
Iron Maiden - The Trooper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uq6Ax-zzkQ
If you just count the number of soldiers and tanks on each side before making your bet, you're doomed to fail. EU should seek a strategic agreement with Russia, but if our loved elected politicians decide to wage war to please the US, I would rather put my money on "our" side (even if the US don't intervene). Tanks and foot soldiers are relevant against dummies like Ukraine, but I have more trust in 50 modern Tiger that in 500 russian tanks... So if there is an armed conflict, I will happily be on the other side of the bet... (and not just because if I lose, we will both have more important problems than an unpaid 1000€ debt :) ...)
you're so full of crap, do your homework before you write anything here.
look up the Russian T-90 and then come back, we'll be waiting.
If either side starts to lose badly, you can expect the tactical nukes, then strategic nukes, and then get to kiss you ass goodbye. The good news is, your debts won't matter.
I like your conclusion. I have also said that if the US brings in high-tech to the Ukraine battlefield, Russia will respond with tactical nukes. We will withdraw.
I go hard like Vladimir Putin http://youtu.be/K-yw27am0GE?t=40s
Ich will einen wie Putin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xswL98NJMqU
I am a simpleton. So please explain very slowly and carefully to me. How come US gets to go anywhere they like with planes and drones and bombs and guns and advisors and all the other stuff?
How come US gets to figure out who gets to sit in the big chair in every other country?
How come if all this oil and stuff everywhere actually belongs to the US then why do we need other big chairs at all?
AND FURTHER to my simple questions.
How come Mom and Dad? How come I have to die of a) starvation b) manufactured viruses c) bio-engineered malnutrition d) the cops e) being conscripted into wars I have no clue about while "monied sons" sit out
f) immunization programs that have side-effects deleted going back decades g) corporations who think they are PEOPLE h) corporations that tell me what to do i) How come I have to die because someone considered me expendable 'cause I live over a piece of Earth that has something that the US wants?
What happened to my childhood?
Bullish on the bears
Germany better stop trying to egg Russia on. No one will show up for the European Army except the Poles.
Ahh... ...no. Moar propaganda...
"The Director of the Institute for Security Studies at the University of Kiel," -- remind me, what product of real value do these academic asshats actually produce again?
self-aggrandizement?
"The de-escalation strategy with Moscow has failed,"
...do you mean the sanctions, wild-eyed accusations, false flag attacks, scurrilous slander, and black propaganda campaigns?....those de-escalations?
since i supposed to wet my panties every time a "western" psywar expert opens its yap and spews another blast of stupid shit, maybe i should change into a fresh pair.
wait what? did someone say "wet panties"...
Just as well they make ladies bicycles, otherwise you could sniff the wrong
saddle.
Possibility? It's already a war. People are still getting killed. Bullets are flying both directions, RPGs being fired off, combat aircraft sweep the skies....
Already looks liek a war to me. A war by proxy, perhaps, but a war nonetheless.
Really eh?
The sheer ignorance of these asswhipes is abhorring.
who funds his institute ?
us
and Them.
This war will be fought with computers too...not just tanks....and with FX...they will try to tank the US dollar and to freeze up the internet and Banks are far as that goes....throw a monkey wrench in it all...not just boots on the ground....long Wolverines....
Will there be any good cable movies during the long nuclear winter?
Haven't seen Fonzannoon post in a while. Judging by his last comments he chose the drunken blaze of glory vs. the slow fade away. Either that or he is vacationing in the Hamptons/ Fonz if you're out there more power to you brother.
Hope he's not gone, he would be sorely missed. Probably my alltime favourite commenter, and I've been here basically since the beginning.