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NATO Releases Satellite Imagery "Proof" That Russia Has Invaded Ukraine
NATO released new satellite images on Thursday, 28 August 2014, that show Russian combat forces engaged in military operations inside the sovereign territory of Ukraine. The images, captured in late August, depict Russian self-propelled artillery units moving in a convoy through the Ukrainian countryside and then preparing for action by establishing firing positions in the area of Krasnodon, Ukraine. Russia's response - "reports on Russian troops in Ukraine are false."
The source of the images is an independent firm named Digital Globe. The images have not been altered or changed by NATO. Additional information has been added to identify locations, dates and equipment. DigitalGlobe images can be independently verified: http://www.digitalglobe.com
Story by SHAPE Public Affairs Office
Image 1 shows Russian military units moving in a convoy formation with self-propelled artillery in the area of Krasnodon, Ukraine, well inside territory controlled by Russian separatists. The image was captured on 21 August 2014. There is confidence the equipment is Russian, since Ukrainian units have not yet penetrated this far into separatist controlled territory.
Image 2 shows Russian self-propelled artillery units set up in firing positions near Krasnodon, Ukraine. They are supported by logistical vehicles which are likely carrying extra ammunition and supplies. This configuration is exactly how trained military professionals would arrange their assets on the ground, indicating that these are not unskilled amateurs, but Russian soldiers. Russian artillery systems like these have recently shelled Ukrainian positions outside the city of Luhansk in conjunction with a separatist counteroffensive to attempt to break the Ukrainian siege of the city.
Image 3 includes two pictures (left and right) and shows a military deployment site on the Russian side of the border, near Rostov-on-Don. This location is approximately 31 miles or 50 kilometres from the Dovzhansky, Ukraine border crossing.
The image on the left was captured on 19 June 2014 and shows the area to be mostly empty at this time. The image on the right was taken two months later on 20 August 2014 and shows the same location. Russian main battle tanks, armored personnel carriers, cargo trucks and tented accommodations can all be clearly seen. This is one example of the multiple encampments that Russia has positioned near its border with Eastern Ukraine. Many of these forces are deployed within a few kilometers of Ukraine, and are capable of attacking with little warning, and could potentially overwhelm and push-back Ukrainian units. Russia has also moved significant numbers of combat aircraft and helicopters to airfields along the border. Russian unmanned aircraft routinely cross into Ukrainian airspace.
Some equipment from these locations is moved across the border and is used to resupply and equip separatist forces operating in Ukraine. For months, Russia has provided separatist fighters with heavy equipment in the form of tanks, armored vehicles, artillery, and multiple rocket launchers. Air defense systems have also been provided to separatists, even following the downing of Malaysian airlines flight MH17.
Image 4, captured on 23 July 2014, depicts what are probably six Russian 153mm 2S19 self-propelled guns located in Russia near Kuybyshevo. This site is situated 4 miles, or 6.5 kilometres, south of the Ukraine border, near the village of Chervonyi Zhovten. The guns are pointed north, directly towards Ukrainian territory (see North indicator on image). See image 5 for an overview of where these guns are situated in relation to Ukrainian territory.
Image 5 shows a wider overview including the position of the self-propelled guns from image 4. Note the North indicator on this image, and remember that the guns are orientated in this location. It is clear that from this location, it would be impossible NOT to fire into Ukrainian territory. This is clearly NOT an exercise; these guns are being used to support separatist forces operating in the territory of Ukraine.
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"Proof" indeed...
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Merkel looking...
- *MERKEL: RECEIVING REPORTS ON RUSSIA TROOP PRESENCE IN UKRAINE
- *MERKEL SAYS EU TO DISCUSS POSSIBLE TOUGHER RUSSIA SANCTIONS
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Russia's reponse:
- *RUSSIA SAYS REPORTS ON ITS TROOPS IN UKRAINE ARE FALSE: RIA
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When did Ukraine join NATO?
joined the parent organization recently, ZATO...
If they'd released the satellite imagery on YouTube it would have been credible.
About fucking time!
I hope Putin makes quick work of Ukraine and doubles Europe's gas price just to say "Fuck you" unless countries leave the EU, and then Putin keeps prices the same.
The Tribe wants an economic war. Watch Putin bring the EMZ (which is already on the brink) down to its knees, and as the derivatives start getting called, the US either double downs, or cuts "Europe" loose.
First the Ukes, then ISIS.
Different terrorist organizations, same controllers.
Ukes buy t72 scrap tanks from Hungary to frame Russia.
http://www.hidfo.net/2014/08/12/hulladekvas-araert-eladott-honvedsegi-harckocsik-utban-az-ukrajnai-haboru-fele
Yawn. There is a picture of Poroschenko addressing his troops with a Ukie t-72 behind him.
I seriously hope the UKIE soliders that are told to get into that realise the Russians have the T-95 and pleutonium based ammo.
At some point the Ukies will realise fighting the Russians is a bad idea. I don't think it has happened yet, perhaps the first freeze will do it. (No heat, cold water pipes exploding everywhere then after the thaw (the next day) water everywhere).
Let's hope that NATO comes to the same conclusion, turns tail and runs back to the safety of the EU... Obama will not send troops into Ukraine and Putin knows it...
LOL... Google has a better image of the BBQ grill in my back yard. Maybe these are USSR movements from the 1960s? I might buy that.
Peek propaganda.
http://tinypic.com/r/21mi51w/8
ZH editors deleting comments...hmmm
that's proof then..
It's all about Shekels & the tribe wants to make moar shekels.
Well... watching the nightly propaganda rah, rah, rah sessions on the telescreen they really want these images to be the smoking gun or something. That and a video of "Russian" personnel carriers bearing a Ukrainian flag... did anyone else catch that (on CBS I think)?
Sometimes I think the whole Ukraine debacle is one big pysop to get people believing their open-prison-spy-matrix isn't real or sophisticated enough to do jack shit.
I would say my screen caputre is much better proof that the images NATO is parading lol.
What is your screen capture proof of? The guy calling people jew haters got his post deleted... so what? All replies to deleted posts also get deleted. Happens all the time......
Agree, I'd rather not read all that nonsense. But it's a slippery slope though.
We all know that Russians are fighting in the Ukraine. Why turn Putin into a hero? The guy's just another asshole.
.....Speaking of Assholes if you want to pimp your churchlady "blog" up your game for the love of god.... actually what is your game you don't seem clever enough to dump keystroke recorders on visiting machines why all the blather about your gastrointestinal dysfunction?? Man I really don't get you at least the nigerians try to steal data or highjack email accounts WTF do you do I mean really what is the point of your little hyperlink to palookaville - fuck
ditto. but deleting comments re: cosmo seems chicken shit. who wants an echo chamber like fox or kos?
Why does someone actually discussing the article get his posts deleted but not the fucking asshole SPAM SPAM SPAMming his blog?
In 1972 approx. DR David Harold Renfro returned from a study of the oil and gas assets of the soviet union. It was conducted by 12 of the top experts in a few related fields. Dr. Renfro ( Pete) informed me that there was more oil and gas in the soviet union than in Saudi Arabia. At Pete's house I also met Dr Edward Teller at one of his parties. The oil and gas in Ukraine might be sizable but the Russians have no need to fight for it. The need for war and chaos to cover the tracks of the criminals who have destroyed the western economies are the sole motivation for the current conflict in Ukraine. Putin is not the trouble maker in this conflict. The obvious lies of the desperate minions of the counterfeiters are causing the public in many nations to gag. The daily heaping up of more lies is bringing the public (those with assets) closer and closer to a new understanding of the system. The outlandish propaganda of my country and Europe has convinced me that these tools believe that we are incapable of reason. I suppose they are incapable of seeing their likely future. I gaurantee that we are capable of keeping track of lackeys who will one day pay the price for teason against mankind
ZH editors deleting comments...
I wish they'd give me an IGNORE button, so I could avoid the Nazis that plague this place.
How about it, Tyler? I'll send money!
I think some sort of ID card -- when the BRICS take over the world, we aren'T sent to Siberia would do it for me.
Why dont we just have a deleted comments link for a story, that way we dont censor but we can move comments that dont add to the story to that depository
Maybe it should be based on number of negative votes received
Because ZH has an agenda just like Fox and MSNBC does. Admin here must delete comments that don't go along with THEIR narrative. Don't like it? Me either. I want to start my own country.
Ost-Preußen. It would be a construct based out of the graces of Moscow. It would be a state based in old Ost-Preußen that would incentivise the American Right-Wing (and the most productive section of American society) to move to a new country. It would be tough on everyone involved, but if it could be done sucessfully, it would bankrupt the USA while making the East stronger than every. It would simultaneously put Germany in an awkward position, because, as long as said ficational state exists, they are "blood brothers" and invading/being aggressive with such a country would be impossible. It would be the best best buffer between East and West ever to exist. As long as the population is free of "diversity" and allowed to have all the weapons they want -- I see immigration (from the American right wing) of upwards of 30,000,000 people in a decade.
Deprive the West of their money maker, give it to the east while using it as a buffer between east and west. Putin couldn't imagine anything better. Make it German speaking with a heavy Russian influence -- "Putinplatz" -- its what the world needs. I hope such a place can come to fruition. Think Confederate State of American in Europe.
Haus baby, boopsie, you cool with Putin using "pleutonium based ammo" and putting all that CO2 into the atmosphere?
Man, the Gaaarrreeens around here are gonna come down on you like Oprah at $10 all you can eat buffet...lol.
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Was it the diss on Pollutin Putin or Oprah? ;-)
i'm not sure about ost whatever but it reminds me where "israel" should have been put at the end of ww2 to compensate the injured jews and punish the cruel germans: in dang germany, chunk of the baltic coast, maybe an enlarged schleswig-holstein.
would have been a lot better for everyone concerned, no?
I've contacted ZH twice bout deleted comments.
I chalked it up to being NSA screening and filtering.
FSB screening -- samething thing -- different side.
This presents a more plausible explanation:
http://www.zerohedge.com/help/notice-racism
Nah lore I had commented on something as well as WB posting a picture. And it was removed.
Yeah, I said somethiing to cougar and it was disappeared.
House Rules...always ;-)
I sent in $50 once [to ZeroHedge] on a challenge for anyone to show proof that Obama started the “Obama Phone” – not one comment, challenge or proof to state how I was wrong / misinformed, so I donated anyways. Just goes to show you ……. Who the real fools are.
Edit:
NOT an Obama fan at all - me Ron Paul 100%!
This "proof" is a joke, worse even than the last batch that they shamelessly scooped from a VIDEO GAME. You don't make bombastic pronouncements on the basis of this handful of fuzzy specks, with arbitrary labels, unclear orientation, lacking even minutes of Latitude and Longitude for confirmation. This has "WMD," "Incubators," "Nuclear Enrichment," "Assad Gassing His Own People" and the "Colin Powell Podium Finger Bang" written all over it.
How do they keep a straight face, referring to a HANDFUL of UNIDENTIFIED (probably Ukrainian) vehicles as an "Invasion Force?" If Putin wanted to mount an "invasion," you would see HUNDREDS of vehicles on the ground, plus aircraft and thousands of troops. More likely, this depicts something westerners call a "picnic."
At least they use the term "Separatist" and acknowledge that Ukraine is laying siege to its own cities. Yet they continue to prattle about "territorial integrity" and deny the right of a region to secede. Why? Would you recognize as legitimate a government that shells you, destroys your infrastructure, lays siege to your town and blocks relief trucks?
Their "self Propelled" artillary also looks a lot like Towed artillarly pieces.
You don't suppose they are are incompetant, as well as full-of-shit do you?
I was thinking the same exact thing. Those are towed artillary pieces in the second picture.
Right, the 2nd photo is towed artillery. Uke troops have been pinned to the Russian border in several locations after trying UNSUCCESSFULLY to cut off the rebels from the border. Uke conscripts put down their weapons and walk across the border frequently, sometimes in large groups. So to make the claim that these towed-not-towed pieces can not be Ukies because they're supposed to be near the border is empty rhetoric.
The "proof" is bullshit until NATO identifies who is driving and firing these Russian artillery pieces. Are they Russia regulars or are they Russian speaking Ukranians?
All the weapons used by both sides in this civil war are Russian. SP artillery has been around and essentially unchanged for the past 50 years, except for vastly improved munitions, spotting and fire direction.
Thin gruel!!
This is because your BBQ grill is a threat to national security. Matter of fact, you are a terrorist and a dirty suspect because of the gatherings around that object of brim, fire and death. The reunions in your back yard are gatherings that menace our security.
Signed,
CIA/NSA
PS: We will be closely listening to the sizzling of your steaks. Heck, we will burst into your house and shot the fuckers!
Perhaps not, but there may start popping up a shit load of unmarked 21st century panzerfausts and Stinger missles all over the place. Ukraine is not Georgia, and it can easily turn into another Vietnam. Europe will freeze until they get off of russian oil and gas though, that is for sure.
And some of those stingers may also end up on the border of Mexico....
The Canadians sent over Javelin anti-tank missiles which were grabbed by the rebels.
Vietnam? Most Ukrainians are NOT going to fight for the scum in Kiev.
Can you provide a link?
I would likewise appreciate a link. What's Canada doing, getting involved in a foreign domestic matter? This isn't NATO business. MYOB, unless maybe they want to offer third party observers to ride shotgun on those Russian relief trucks to make sure they reach the intended recipients.
I read that in a lot of different places, here is one
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August 26th combat SITREP by Juan + two very different maps :-)
9. Partizan activities are increasing in frequency and force in the Kharkov and Slavyansk areas to the point Kharkov is building defenses facing Novorossiya. Of particular interest was the capture two weeks ago of an entire Kamaz load of Javelin antitank missiles. These missiles were offloaded from the 'Canadian' air force planes that brought 'non lethal' aid to the Uke army according to eye witnesses. The Javelin is not listed in the TOE (Table of Organization and Equipment) of the armed forces of Canada, although I have few doubts that oversight will be rectified within minutes of this report being read in The West.
I had a bet when this FSB story/site and which account would post this story and site to Zero Hedge.
Lost the poster bet, but won the timing. Thanks for making my morning/night.
For those who do not click, the map and the sitrep report is refuted, as per the comments on that blog below the "tear-line". Enjoy that tracking cookiee (sic).
Some independent food for thought:
1. You use a commercial sattelite site so that anyone can find, use and purchase photos to independently verify the site coordinates of the Russian munitions/locations. Open & Transparent survellance for the modern era, go ahead and ask Russia to refute those units from those found at the depot near the border 10 days ago. Google it.
2. Black and white is to showcase contours and sharpen images. Color is often added back to images or darkened for contrast
3. Resolution is a function of cost. If you want to make images which anyone can purchase to independently prove and verify the NATO proof, you can do it yourself and buy some sattelite time. Many will not, because that requires 400 dollars and common sense.
4. If Putin did not do this, why did he change the offical response to the family of military men/women, and why are Spetnaz troops still deployed on official NATO lists of active units, despite their unit being "recalled" from "training exercises" 2 months ago. Yet there is a double standard applied to a pre-scheduled Poland air-unit rotation ? .... fishy.
5. Is Moscow going to comment on 4 Russian Submarines no longer reporting their movements in the North Sea ?
Not going to bother arguing with the sockpuppet accounts. The holes in the narrative are growing thin.
Protip: Someone explain to the trolls what the max air ceiling and engagement range is of a SU-25/27 and the cruising window of a 777-a. Bonus points if you explain the radio reasons for passing the jet over Donetsk. Lets see who else is flashing the site tonight.
You were told to "lay low" Stevens...
Screen capture is your friend, tricky though...
Hi VileRat,
Your tidbits seem like halfhearted damage control, unhelpful without context. That seems to be the main problem with most discussion. Every false narrative seems tailored to distract and scapegoat. Botched lies are merely sensitising more of the citizenry. The present mess can be avoided if power is taken away from psychopaths and meaningful reform is introduced. If there is any genuine merit to the backstory that depicts Putin as an "invader," it needs to be of significantly better quality and have far superior context. Right now, cut through the bullshit, and everything seems to boil down to defense of the most corrupt currency regime in the world. What moral high ground is there to defend? Rgds
If the DOD were to send in own troops, three things would happen:
1. The public outcry in the US would be overwhelming. If they proceeded anyway, cause ZATO says so, then...
2. The US troops would be inadequate and would have their asses handed to them.
3. Given #2 above, to save face, these troops would have to escalate to TCs (Tactical Nukes). After that, all bets and gloves are off.
Bottom line: There is no ROI, no matter what the Ziocons want or jerk off to.
p.s. What do said Ziocons "jerk off to" (fig. or lit.)? Why an Erez Israel North, a Novo-Kazaria - which is rich in natural resources, fertile soil, sea, and in direct line for the New Silkroad trade between East and West. To do this, modern Russia must first be brought to its knees.
I have said before, and I will say again,
If the USA opens an Eastern Front, a home front will certainly open up back home.
All of BO's support would evaporate as soon as a draft was instituted. If a draft was instituted.
HOW IN THE FUCK would we pay for it? We borrowed $900,000,000,000 last year just to break even. How in God's name could we fight #2 world power without printing money like a motherfucker.
Everyone knows this. Putin is biding his time -- he will re-establish the USSR's former borders (save for the former DDR). The questions is not if -- but when.
He has the western world by the balls, due almost exclusivly to their own stupidity. He knows it. BO knows it. The CFR knows it. the Bilderbergs knows it. We are all fucked. That is what I know. Do I carry Swiss Francs everywhere I go? Oh fuck yes I do.
You may be right! I am definitely not a member of any Global thinktank. If I am they have forgot to pick me up for the last few years.
However, I really doubt Putin wants the previous borders of the USSR. What is the balance of the 'Gains" as opposed to the proverbial 'Pains in the bum'??
#1 He would get a lot more Territory! (But, he doesn't need it! Russia has more than enough) You could argue that it gives Russia breathing room and, if war was to break out, they could fight it in other lands not their own but??
I think that is a poor argument (even though I put it up for discussion myself! I'm talkin to myself here)
#2 Think of the Police State he (they) would have to employ! All of the old nation states, Poland, Czechoslavakia, Romania, Bulgaria etc would all have to be Policed 24/7. Think of the man power. Think of the continual environmant they're creating for Guerilla warfare, terrorism, uprisings, revolution etc.
"The people are revolting!"
Well, individually and en masse, they REALLY are!!
Think about the continual headache you'd have when you're having to feed them, police them, care for them. One HUGE Gulag! For what?? Too much trouble for very little upside.
It just aint worth the bother!
I don't think they want the hassle or need the hassle.Plus, think of all the Wogs you'd have messing up the gene pool. All those Polish whingers and whiners, Romanian gypsies putting 'Spells' on you etc.
That scenario is the result of a lifetime of western brainwashing.
Even Putin has called the collapse of the USSR one of histroy's "greatest tragedies."
Why take and hold Germany proper? It's not like the Americans asked for permission.
"Why invade Russia" is a good question. One way "not to" is to pretend that "in fact you're not invading them" when in fact you are.
I see the POW's...but the pics of the APC's getting plinked seem lacking. That includes from the Russian side I might add...
Why would Putin or Russia want to expand Westward? Not much really there they'd want and it would be far easier for them to trade using gas sales.
All this crap about Putin being a warmongering conqueror is the same crap they peddled against Saddam in 1991.
wow digital gobal is not even a government agency. based out of colorado and is listed on the nyse: DGI, would disney be proud of all this imagery? dr. scott took all the taxpayer funded research at lawrence livermore laboratories and opened his own company and raised $279 million in an ipo in may 2009. we have always been told that we could spot a dime on a soviet highway and all these years later we get black dots that could be cows changing fields. aahh my tax dollars at work
??? Now we are to believe that NATO is using Digital Globe too?
OFFS
Are we to believe that no one in NATO knows what self-propelled artillery looks like?
Having seen self propelled guns from an aerial perspective... I can say there is something rotten in Denmark, beyond just Foghorn Leghorn's psychopathic rantings... I don't think field artillery magically change shape when viewed from 500km instead of 500ft.
That is embarrassing. I want my tax dollars back.
Obviously Russia was not going to let their people be killed by the Keiv gov. As for the CIA/mercs willing to support Nazis -- I hope Russia does away with them all. Serves them right.
Maybe those images are the best that NATO has got...
Around half of "independent" DigitalGlobe's revenues are from the US DoD. You need a US security clearance to work at many of the jobs there.
LOL
First read I thought the headline said "Imaginary" proof.
Man them thar satey-lites sure are finicky; can pick up a Rooskie 'vasion but I'll be damned if they can photograph an airliner being blown plumb from the sky!
WHY ARE POSTS DISAPPEARING!!!!
I was wondering the same damn thing
Yup. Happened to me too a few days ago
Satellite photos that need extensive interpretation won't cut it. Need some real captured Russian soldiers or other physical evidence. And if the Russians respond with captured non-Ukrainians, mercenaries, for example, then who gives a fuck?
NATO doesn't even know that Kaliningrad is Russian, shall we believe them this time?
There's an uncountable number of better quality UFO images.
Look again at the second image. Are those crop circles?! :o)
Can we also expect to see key data* from flight MH17, which will no doubt exonerate Kiev and prove culpability of Rebels? /s
* Key data like, Sat pics (.bmp or .jpg), Control Tower conversations with MH17, MH17 Data and Voice Recorder
Another botched false narrative shoved down the Memory Hole.
The Causes of the MH17 Crash are “Classified”. Ukraine, Netherlands, Australia, Belgium Signed a “Non-disclosure Agreement” (23-Aug)
Easy for you to say since you aren't being bombed or shot at.
maybe they can put some traditional israeli and polish music on this intel and put it up on myspace.
help all parties out a bit.
The israelis are too busy training Polish pilots presently to fly in the Ukraine, eventually they will get around to throwing some glasses into the fire place, hava nagila.
How about Hava Nagila on the tuba and accordion?
System..... breaking ......down..... Reset .... inevitable.....
Must...... have...... war........ and.... blame...... Russia....
While..... the.... real..... villains.... escape.
So when does everybody get to see the "satellite imagery" related to MH17 ?
Just asking.
Did the US pay for that red line to be drawn?
Story by SHAPE Public Affairs Office
Nice pics what year is it?
I love how they slip the "official lie" about MH17 into all of the latest news.
Remind me again what equipment the ukes are using...oh yeah russian.
Also this happens day after P-dollar announcement...
I call Shenanagins
So what don't these worn out blow hards in the West get, Putin and China dont give a fuck what you clowns opine about on Youtube and twitter all day!!
They have a vision for what they want their future and the future of their citizen's to be, and there moving the fuck ahead on it! Talk all day, cry, rattle your sabres, plead, throw a fucking temper tantrum for all they care, the American domination of the planets affairs has officially ended...........
NOW WTF ARE YOU GOING TO DO????
Blow more shit up.
That's what we do.
Then send some guys in to blow up more shit.
"We got rockets, we got drones.
We'll turn your family into bones.
If you're here or if you're there
We will get you, we don't care."
Hoo-Yah.
"They have a vision for what they want their future and the future of their citizen's to be, and there moving the fuck ahead on it!"
Certainly their own future...pretty sure they don't care nearly as much for the average citizen's future.
See that's just American Delusional Syndrome talking ADS, and to some degree we all have it, I admit I do too, however I try everyday to fight, while most people just bask in it!!
Just because American's Leaders and Politicians have long ago betrayed and abandoned all of US, doesn't mean that's what happening everywhere else!! In China and Russia there is a VERY strong national identity and belief in Country and National Destiny!
We haven't felt that here since the 1950's, and it's why our decline into mediocrity will be so brutal, when it finally arrives!!
"joined the parent organization recently, ZATO..."
There are quite a lot of dual nationals in the Ukrainian government, aren't there?
MOAR WOAR!!!
I am so tired of these warmongering cowards sitting behind desk sending other peoples kids to die.
With the current record of ukarine USA and NATO, I do not believe one word from them.
They tell so many lies its just headspinning... they think they are Tony Montana "Even when I lie I tell the truth"
Tony Montana had more scruples. He refused to murder innocent children.
These bastards don't don't think twice about it. To them, innocent children are just "collateral damage."
Leave Tony Montana out of this! He is a fucking saint in comparison to these psychopaths.
They need war so bad it hurts. Iraq and Afghanistan were such fuck ups, does lying even count now?
War!
Lets just do it!
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War!
Lets just do it! "
Not with my kids, thank you.
War is never the answer, it is destructive, highly inflationary and destroys so many lives ...... on the other hand urban renewal projects are highly productive uses of ........ petroleum products combined with silica based containers......
War er Urban Renewal is coming to America so you may as well get ahead of the game, and like any game the best strategies are based on research and knowing your opponent and in keeping with the most popular american sports, watching opponents playing others will give a lot of very valuable insight into the playbook they are using. As an example the MRAPs used at Furgeson, notice the position of the forward guards on top of the vehicle with the rear door open for the other "Players" to deploy quickly, full battle dress, body armour etc. Notice the deployment of supporting foot players as well as multiple MRAPS units in close proximity, this presents the defence with a number of difficult decisions, for example do you deploy multiple cocktails into the formation of support players then take on the MRAPs from behind by other means cocktails and high speed messengers in the open doors with .338 lovenotes to the helmets on top ? Or do you take a more sublime approach and initially put up a fight then break and run like hell leading the truly idiotic members of your per suers into a maelstrom of freedom fries - this tactic has worked rather well through the millennia when faced with a superior opposing force especially one made up of over confident cowards - of course this tactic has a limited shelf life as word gets around quickly ...... anyway time to put your team together and get ready for the big game ..... coming soon to a neighbourhood near you ....
Hey! Who do you think you are? A Senator or somthing?
Duffy
your question is valid.
It is not for the US, or US-led NATO to police the world.
By internationally agreed law and treaty, the US should take its complaint to the UN,
to be considered by Russia and China.
Apologies to anyone who beat me to this:
Zoom in. Look at the date stamps on those images. This is a blatant fraud.
Shhhhh
Good catch on date. I was going to ask for a zoomed out view of the images.
Can't see the date stamps on these images.
Can you please enlighten me as to what they read?
Taken in July. Nevermind the actual source of the images (commercial company) nor the quality (1970s).
Where is Adlai Stevenson when you need him!!?
RealTime-UKRAINE: —’You abandoned us!’ Ukrainian soldiers & families despair over Kiev failures. “[“Colonel, tell me one thing,” “When we were at Saur-Mogila [a strategic point in the Donetsk Region] for two days waiting for reinforcements, why were we abandoned?”
http://www.degaray.com/?p=4543
More from Ilovasky. Articulate Ukrainian Captain? describes chaos and his refusal to slaughter his men.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oagc3YcOV2g
They didn´t. But who cares. It´s besides the point...As for these "news" and "reliable sat photos" . Who can forget the show and tell show by the Bush administration. Colin Powell at the UN showing a vial of ...something...calling it Anthrax and on..and on...ad on.
You know I think Vlad caught on to this reality show. Got with the programme. Lie,lie and lie and "create your own reality" to channel Karl Rove. Have you seen how ordinary peeps in the west just don´t give a fuck anymore?
Who can forget the botched MH17 false-flag. No one can find MH370?!?
The US and Britain guaranteed Ukranian soveriegnty and territory in exchange for them giving up a huge nuclear arsenal inherited after the break up of the Soviet Union.
Russia has been an historically aggressive state. Poland and the Baltic States are NATO members, and all have been invaded and occupied by Russia in the not distant past.
You may not want to fight over Ukraine, but how can support support an aggressive expansionist regime like Russia?
You're not fooling anyone, LameSirRobin. The feeble talking points that you are parroting have been discredited repeatedly here for the last six months.
I wish propagandists could come with renewed propaganda instead of hammering worn out bits.
Exceptional Amerika has been the historically aggressive state.
Vicky Nulander Knoodleman Kagan and her $5B got this horror show started. They think they can set up camp on the Russian border!? Not gonna happen.
When the CIA began caring about the Ukrainian gas flow
and WHY does your enquiry matter?
Russians have already responded: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9djI3V53Gu4
When we had the Ukraine get rid of thier Nuclear weapon stockpile the USA and NATO signed a treaty to protect them if invaded.
When we had the Ukraine get rid of thier Nuclear weapon stockpile the USA and NATO signed a treaty to protect them if invaded.
When we had the Ukraine get rid of thier Nuclear weapon stockpile the USA and NATO signed a treaty to protect them if invaded.
When we had the Ukraine get rid of thier Nuclear weapon stockpile the USA and NATO signed a treaty to protect them if invaded.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances
Yes and NATO promised they would not advance into Eastern Europe. In the meantime, there is no invasion. Here's the locally born militia commander discussing his situation in Ilovasky. ENG Subtitles
http://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=Vh8BDAZjG7k
It very well could be from the newly CIA-funded Islamic State in Ukrainian Northern Territories-Strategic Operations...ISUNT-SO.
"Well, we didnt get all dressed up for nothing"
+ 1,000,000
Outstanding.
Nah, that's just Red Cross.
Even the favorite news source on ZeroHedge RT says there are 3-4000 Russians "volunteers" fighting in Ukraine:
http://rt.com/news/183308-russian-volunteers-ukraine-fighting/
Remember the Kremlin TV lies about no Russian forces in Crimea? After anexation Putler himself went on live TV and said they were in fact Russian soldiers in Crimea. Unfortunately most on here are brainwashed by Kremlin TV and will only believe it when Putler himself will confirm it.
It's obvious that everyone is lying. The only people who are "brainwashed" are those who choose a side.
Why would his opening gambit be to deploy troops. Crater the Euro or Dollar first ? but then again I am good at checkers not Chess.
That's it. All are lying. The problem is people keeps defending Putin because… well, being anti-US makes you look as a non brainwashed, well-informed, rational person. It's just cool and fashionable.
Bingo!
That is what this Putine regime site uses as advantage. People are being programmed if US regime is criminal, than anyone who fight it is our ally. When actually it's about two evils fighting for more power. And Ukranians are those who suffers the most... in this case.
Ukies brought it on themselves wanting to join the EU. HTH
/sarcasm on
Yes! How dare those peasents decide their nation destiny - that's oligrach regime job to do!
/sarcasm off
/sarcasm on
Yeah, who cares about 35% of the nation's population and their historic and cultural ties to a different system. Fuck them. Lets all stand and sing "Alle Menschen werden Brüder" (EU'S "national" "anthem")
/sarcasm off
The peasants didn't decide - Viktoria Neudleman decided for them
Exactly . +1000
"The peasants are deciding their national destiny", quoting Viedoklis. Really?
Last time I checked it was the Oligarchs like Porkyschenko who controlled the government of the Ukraine. It is not their children dying in Novorossiya but peasants like yourself that are being bankrupted and sent to die like dogs fighting a war on behalf of Oligarchs.
Same as it ever was.
Like the non-Nazi Crimeans and The East?
The same Ukrainian people who laid down the kindling and lit the match?
The ones who overthrew a democratically elected gov't that decided against EU integration. The ones who were supported by the West/British Empire/US/Nato to overturn that decision? A move that will only destroy their economic hopes. There is no future in the EU. How do a derivatives based economy help Ukraine? How will being beholden to them hurt?
Also which Ukrainians? The ones (Nazi's) attempting to slaughter the other ones, or the ones defending against from being slaughtered (aka as mostly ethnically Russians)?
Also which of the two evil warmongers pushed for this situation, and are trying to wrestle Ukraine from one sphere of influence to another?
Which side initiated sanctions? Which side initiated sanction against another on the basis of bold faced lies?
Who were the snipers shooting at the protesters?
Why were the air traffic controllers replaced? Who ordered MH17 to deviate from course? Who fired air to air missiles from fighter jets? Who fired flechette at MH-17 from multiple sides? What nationality were the only fighter jets around MH17? Who is in possession of the air traffic control recordings?
Also who are part of the Western Nazi Ukranian's fighting force? Are there Blackwater/Xe/whatever named western mercenaries fighting and slaughtering Eastern Ukrainians? If not, then who is?
Also when comparing the two sides, is Russia going around the world bombing and supporting terrorism? Al-Qeada, ISIS, and dozens of other groups.
If I see Russia supporting and pulling the strings for a revolution in Mexico, I might see that as equal to what the U.S./British Empire/NATO/The West is doing in Ukraine. Actually to be more accurate, it would be more like if Texas or California became part of Mexico again and then Russia screwing with California or Texas to wrestle economic control of Texas or California. Then slaughtering the American people still living inside Silicon Valley or cattle ranchers in Texas. That would be probably the closest analogy.
I wish Putin would start sending the Mexican cartels $6 billion worth of T-95s just to give us Americans a taste of our own medicine.
EDIT - $6 Billion at current price would purcahse over 5,000 tanks. Can anyone here imagine what MS-13 would do with 6,000 state of the art Russian tanks?
Haus I think it was one of your comments that just got deleted out...I didnt think it was that big of a deal, but I dont see how Tony keeps posting his haikus on Jewish issues and does not get censored.
Seems like the Optimator at 4 years and 20 weeks is busy deleting comments from ZH to shape the course of discussion. I do believe that ZH is losing credibility in my eyes. Very disappointed by this subterfuge.
TBF - I have had so many of my posts deleted it is hard to keep up at this point.
ZeroHedge is the best place on the English speaking internet for people who think like I do. Infowars is also good, but its overrun with rednecks who not nothing about everything.
Then again, I am fairly sure that ZH is a tool of the Kremlin. I'm ok with it -- as based upon my education and my job (which I cannot talk about) I know is spot on most of the time -- its just a really weird place where the truth (ZeroHedge) becomes blasphemous in the Establishment Media's eyes.
http://tinypic.com/r/21mi51w/8
not your comment directly in this case but the comments below it....
I noticed a whole thread-string disappear a few days or a week ago. Kinda disconcerting.
COSMOS - nice catch. Thanks for the screen capture. In the case you captured, they threw a ZinoNut's comments down the memory hole. I don't know. I find that kind of refreshing.
Free Francis Sawyer. I can't claim I read every comment of his. Some were deleted before I got the chance. Now they're all deleted. But those I read he didn't say anything inappropriate. He just told the truth. Maybe he was too articulate?
there u r
noticed one of your comments got deleted
deleting comments is not cool at all
not happy about this at all
Cosmos do you have a link to the CFR article which was posted a few days ago, I've been looking and looking but I can't find it! Tks
I am Sparkey, I hope!
Hey Sparkey can you remind me a little bit more about what the article was about? I can then look up in my browser history and see if I still have the link, you may want to look at your browser history also....
Paint gang graffiti on them and put on a lowering kit?
They are very good graffiti artist. So I guess the paint jobs would be awesome.
Go Marre Salvatrucha!
Nice summary
Great current history lesson. Thank you JMC8888.
I have a solution for the freedom of speech and the desire of ZH to keep things streamlined
Why not have a link for each story to deleted comments for that story, this way the main comments can be fairly heard, and say if a deleted comment gets a certain number of upvotes it comes back to the main comments section.
This supports me theory.
ZH came into existance in 2009 -- the bottom of the Western crisis. Moskaw saw an opptorunity to prune some low haning Western Libertarian fruit -- and funded what we know today as ZH. We are less than a rounding error in the Western political spectrum. However -- I would say we are among the most informed people on Macro-finance outside of the "inner circle" in the world. I hope than when things go south -- Moscow knows (the FSB is as smart as the CIA/NSA are), I know they monitor this -- both sides know who we are) who has been friendly to them in the West, and takes care to make sure we don't get off'ed.
In a world were truth is dangerous -- we here are the first to go. Don't let this warning go unheeded. Ask those in the 30s in Germany, the 50s in Russia and China, the 20s in Japan and the teens again Russia. Many times -- truth is more deadly than treason.