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NATO Says Over 1000 Russian Troops In Ukraine, "Extremely Worrying... Dire Situation"

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Hot on the heels of Ukraine's claims of 'invasion' and retraction of said claim, NATO is once again stepping in with strong claims about Russian 'incursions':


While NATO statements in the past have caused dramatic weakness in stocks (or been entirely shurgged off), it appears this time markets are taking their concerns more seriously as the officer states Ukraine's forces are in a "dire situation."

As Bloomberg reports,

NATO estimates there are currently 20,000 Russian troops in the border region to Ukraine, says a North Atlantic Treaty Organization military officer speaking to reporters today on condition of anonymity at supreme headquarters in Mons, Belgium. 


Well over 1,000 Russian troops now operating inside Ukraine: officer


Russian troops in Ukraine operating advanced equipment, serving as advisers for separatists: officer


As a result of Ukraine becoming more effective militarily starting in July, there has been a real upsurge in Russian activities of late. Cross border support, firing of rockets and artillery shells across border, supply of more weapons: officer


Russia has effectively created second front in the south, this is an extremely effective way to take pressure off separatists: officer


Puts Ukraine forces in “dire situation” since from south Russian forces can move up to link with Donetsk forces or can even move west toward Crimea: officer


Opening of second front in south is “extremely worrying”for Ukraine’s position; there’s a risk that Ukraine military’s supply lies will be cut: officer


Officer declines to call Russian moves in Ukraine an “invasion,” instead repeatedly uses the term “incursion”



Russia is more openly backing the Ukrainian rebels, now with small Russian military formations moving into Ukraine’s territory, senior NATO diplomat says.


Russia has provided artillery and rocket support for rebels, from positions both in Russia and inside Ukraine, diplomat says


SA-22 surface-to-air missiles are now being deployed, more sophisticated than the SA-11 missiles that downed the Malaysian airliner, diplomat says


Russian support has become more overt in the wake of Kiev government’s successes against the rebels near Luhansk and Donetsk, diplomat says

  • *NATO OFFICER: RUSSIAN TROOPS IN UKRAINE SERVING AS ADVISERS (just like the humanitarian Americans in Iraq?)

This follows talk earlier in the week of more advanced surface-to-air missiles.

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It appears the 'talk' is a little more real this morning as Ukraine's security council is considering calling a State of Emergency (which seems ironic given the constant threats they have been noting for months)

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And then there's this...

“Russian invasion” should be considered by UN Security Council, Latvian Foreign Minister


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Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:21 | 5153134 Big Corked Boots
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The army that cried wolf.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:22 | 5153136 fightthepower
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More lies to foment war from NATO...

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:29 | 5153161 Haus-Targaryen
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Will someone just start shooting already.  The quicker this happens, the quicker Putin can liberate Kiew. 

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:35 | 5153193 Xibalba
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NATO wants to own it all.  Of course they're 'extremely worried'...  

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:38 | 5153211 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Anders Rasmutton: "Nearly half a million Russian troops are gathered in Russia. I pooped my pants!"

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:17 | 5153335 SamAdams
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News from frontline:

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:20 | 5153341 NoDebt
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"Just the tip" seems an appropriate ZH phrase the dredge back up in this situation.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:40 | 5153389 strannick
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Partition is just the fate Ukraine Will reap for being such a proxy puppet. Guess they were unsubscribing to believe the western powers actually gave a damn 

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:44 | 5153687 Latina Lover
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But, but I though Kiev was winning the war against the Rebels. The NY Times and CNN told me so, LOL.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:39 | 5153214 max2205
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Nothing a well placed tactical nuke wouldn't solve

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:53 | 5153265 Haus-Targaryen
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cue - the end of the world.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:01 | 5153282 MalteseFalcon
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"NATO estimates there are currently 20,000 Russian troops in the border region to Ukraine"


NATO also estimates that there are over a million Russian troops in the country next to Ukraine.


Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:36 | 5153635 Colonel Klink
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Shouldn't we all be calling it by its real name....ZATO?

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:45 | 5153696 Latina Lover
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Max2205,  2 tactical nukes would be even better, one in Kiev and the other in Lvov.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 11:23 | 5153889 Frankie Carbone
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If I were NATO I would be extremely worried about those SS-rocket thingys and getting too uppity with the Ruskies thinking they are going to throw their weight around.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:31 | 5153170 Big Corked Boots
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Nothing wrong with me.

Nothing wrong with me.

Nothing wrong with me.

(hey, how come the vid quits at the end? sumthin wrong with the player...)

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:16 | 5153333 Rakshas
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Not a bad video though the subtle tributes and references to the war on terror are somewhat incorrect and misplaced as was the venue first of all it is a war OF terror and the faces of the enemy can be found on the AiPAC/CFR/PNAC membership page like any pyramid start at the top and hammer your way to the bottom......

and as an appropriate video response I would submit

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:35 | 5153381 NotApplicable
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I like Benny Hinn's version.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:05 | 5153474 Idaho potato head
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Anders fog of war Rasmussen , blowhard psycho. Says launch the asteroid!

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:41 | 5153664 Sandmann
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Politician since age of 25

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:52 | 5153743 Stumpy4516
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I checked some newspapers online.  They are already running this story.  Both said that Russia had invaded, one said two tank columns were a part of this invasion.  Then they also used the NATO story line that there were over 1,000 confirmed Russian troops in Ukrain..

Blantant lies but the sheep in the US will believe it.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:35 | 5153192 SteveNYC
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The Syria gameplan is perfect for this situation. The US should bomb rebel positions, and then, without consultation from Moscow, simply fly into Russian airspace and bomb key military and strategic balance the ledger of course.

If I even have to add /s here.......

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:43 | 5153236 spastic_colon
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obummer told them to wait until AFTER labor day!  something got twisted in the translation maybe

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:23 | 5153346 Freddie
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The USA has wide open borders with thousands of invaders coming across the border. The USA spends $1 trillion on the military, intel and police state crap.  Jerry Brown recently gave California to Mexico - Yet No One Finds that "Worrying"

F these Liars!


Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:23 | 5153138 Icebramovich
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Do they have any proof of this or just Nato is telling lies all time?

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:37 | 5153202 Rakshas
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How many Sears Roebuck Mercs (formerly Blackwater, formerly Academi, formerly Xe formerly Big Bird) are in Ukraine.... just for comparison sake....

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:39 | 5153398 NotApplicable
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My guess is that by claiming it's an "incursion" rather than an "invasion" there's less of a need to provide proof. Invading armies show up pretty well, where as an "incursing" army... well, they just blend right in.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 11:07 | 5153816 Gregor Samsa
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They quoted a rebel who boasted that there were 1000 foreign volunteers - a mix of regular men and ex-military - who had joined their fight. I don't doubt that this is true, just as it's true that there are neo-nazi militias fighting (and doing the dirty work) for the Junta side, but you'll never hear about that in the media. 

This 1000 volunteers is being craftily spun to make it seem like it's 1000 Russian regular army. 

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:24 | 5153140 youngman
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I hope the Ukranians man up....they are least the ones I knew...I think someone who is protecting their own house has more will to win....IMHO

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:37 | 5153199 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Yeah, that's exactly what the Ukrainians in Donetsk and Lugansk are doing, protecting their homes from the Kiev Yatzi Junta.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:24 | 5153142 Brazen Heist
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NATO says, the Ukrainian government says. How many times have we heard this before? 

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:40 | 5153218 TheFourthStooge-ing
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NATO says, the Ukrainian government says. How many times have we heard this before?

This week? At least two or three times.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 12:43 | 5154309 gallistic
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"A lie told often enough becomes the truth."

     -Vladimir Ilyich Lenin


"The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over."

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.... The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

     -Joseph Goebbels, Nazi propaganda minister


"An idea or position is repeated in an attempt to elicit an almost automatic response from the audience or to reinforce an audience's opinion or attitude. This technique is extremely valid and useful because the human being is basically a creature of habit and develops skills and values by repetition (like walking, talking, code of ethics, etc.). An idea or position may be repeated many times in one message or in many messages. The intent is the same in both instances, namely, to elicit an immediate response or to reinforce an opinion or attitude."

      -Appendix I: US Army Psychological Operations Field Manual No. 33-1,  pub. 31 August 1979


"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."

      -George W. Bush,  Rochester, N.Y., May 24, 2005

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:15 | 5153329 Kamath
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This is like the meltdown of 2008, where everyday, new assurances pertaining to the sanctity of the US banking system came out as the markets crashed.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 11:27 | 5153900 Ms. Erable
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Imagine how the following 'headlines' would read in Russia:




Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:25 | 5153144 craus
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Obama to Poroshenko "don't worry I'll help you like I helped the U.S. economy".
Poroshenk to Obama "I don't want your paper tanks clown".

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:25 | 5153146 Rootin' for Putin
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NATO, desperatly trying to be relevent and justify a bigger budget.
Go back to sleep NATO, no one needs you anymore.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:25 | 5153150 himaroid
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DIRE Straits

Brothers In Arms

These mist-covered mountains
Are a home now for me
But my home is the lowlands
And always will be
Some day you'll return to
Your valleys and your farms
And you'll no longer burn
To be brothers in arms

Through these fields of destruction
Baptisms of fire
I've witnessed your suffering
As the battle raged high
And though they did hurt me so bad
In the fear and alarm
You did not desert me
My brothers in arms

There's so many different worlds
So many different suns
And we have just one world
But we live in different ones

Now the sun's gone to hell
And the moon riding high
Let me bid you farewell
Every man has to die
But it's written in the starlight
And every line in your palm
We're fools to make war
On our brothers in arms
Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:37 | 5153206 centerline
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I have one of thier albums.  Forgot about it actually until about a month ago when I bumped into it... and put it in my car's CD changer.

Telegragh Road is another great song by the way. 

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:50 | 5153256 Bernanke'sDaddy
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They're all great songs.


Listen/watch this and tell me it isn't as perfect musicianship as humanly possible.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:12 | 5153318 813kml
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It's pretty good but could use some bass drops and autotuning to meet modern standards of perfection.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:42 | 5153406 desirdavenir
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Knopfler is good, but here is perfect :

(used to tour with Steve Coleman, less visual but more impressive with a sax)

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:48 | 5153252 Bernanke'sDaddy
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Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:26 | 5153156 NOZZLE
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Its about fucking time Putin got engaged in this.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:34 | 5153157 JustObserving
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Meanwhile the Nobel Prize Winner bombing Iraq and then planning to bomb both ISIS and Assad's troops in Syria is just peachy - no cause for concern.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:42 | 5153222 TheSecondLaw
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Ah, but you must remember - the US is exceptional.  When the US wages war it is always, without exception, a just war.  The rest are all scheming, thieving bastards.  An American Nobel Peace Prize laureatte drops bombs of peace. Bombs of peace, I tell you.  And the pieces of the people so shredded are to be pinned to the red, white and blue as badges of honour. Saluto Pax Americana.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:27 | 5153158 JulienFR
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Pathetic warmongers...At least they could be coherent with their own previous "estimation".

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:29 | 5153160 Irishcyclist
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"The truth is the first casualty in all wars"



Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:29 | 5153166 JDFX
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These Russians are likely to be ' military advisors ', assisting the ' free Ukrainian army. '

Gotta love the politics of Russia mirroring US foreign nation management policy.

At least it's all tweeted out for our children to witness how our stewards are behaving on the world stage.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:56 | 5153271 giggler321
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1000 seems thin on the ground.  should ask first how many advisers, tanks,mercenaries the EU has there.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:31 | 5153167 Dr. Engali
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Please, please give us more funding so us fat lazy fucks can continue to live the good life at the expense of the taxpayer.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:31 | 5153172 Rakshas
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I guess Nazo didn't see the retraction yet??

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:32 | 5153174 Sleepless Knight
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Tell your imagination to make up its mind.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:32 | 5153177 Canary Paint
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Well... If you want to count Crimea as near the border of Ukraine, then the 17,000 or so Russian troops that have been there for years by treaty take up most of that 20,000. Then we just need another 3,000 or so within 50 miles of Ukraine to make the statement a tautology that one can make at any given time. Not to say this is the basis of the NATO statement... I just mean to say that I give most western media this much credibility.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:34 | 5153179 Quinvarius
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NATO needs to butt the Fk out.  This is not their sphere of influence.  Their idiot policies have caused this bloodshed.  It is Russia's job to clean the problem up now.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:33 | 5153182 Republi-Ken
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Theres a gigantic difference than in IRAQ.

America was invited, no begged, by the Government to send help and advisors.

Russia is invading and violating the border of Ukraine against Government wishes.

And Russia's intent is to destroy and then annex Ukraine.

America does not want IRAQ. And a 1300yr old relgious war.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:36 | 5153198 uistbhoy
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I guess you were in a cave during that whole invasion thing in 2003

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:41 | 5153223 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Nah, he's just retarded.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:47 | 5153245 Rakshas
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to be fair maybe he forgot the sarc tag ..... or maybe he hasn't pulled his head out of his ass yet .... fuck you don't think W reads ZH do you??? I thought that tone sounded familiar - though i think he must be using spell check - anway George how is the finger painting working out for you? They treating you good over at the asylum??

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:43 | 5153235 Dr. Engali
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Wrong again as usual. Do US destabilized and helped overthrow the Ukraine government. The current government is an illegitimate western puppet government.

Iraq is being invaded by an element the U.S policies created and now are going to use as an excuse to expand The never ending Middle East war.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:56 | 5153269 himaroid
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RSVP'd the hell out of saddam. 

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:17 | 5153530 markar
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Please, just go away and take your ignorance with you.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:34 | 5153185 Aussie V
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This is madness!

The Canadian Govt posted this on Twitter! What a joke.


Russians may be bad at geography just like the Canadians are bad at accounting. Like the Javelin Antitank Missiles they forgot they loaded on those C47's they sent to Ukraine just last week.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:45 | 5153414 Freddie
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Can we send Canada are Mexicans and endless illegals that the NWOa nd Soros is cramming down our throats while the US Military does nothing? 

Hopefully the NovoRoiyissa (sp?) free fighters will use those Javelins against the Ukie mercenaries.  They told their ukie conscript brothers to lay down their arms and stop fighting for the criminal dual-citizen junta.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:34 | 5153186 Mike Masr
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Sounds like more disinformation and war mongering propaganda! 

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:36 | 5153196 craus
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LOL USDJPY was spiked high and HFTs didn't react.


Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:37 | 5153201 AdvancingTime
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Don't hold your breath for Putin to back-off or back-down, he has put down his marker and is now playing both Obama and Kerry for fools in a contest that cost Russia little. Putin wants a path or land link to Crimea and if he doesn't get Eastern Ukraine next week he will next month or next year at the latest. Putin holds all the cards and time is on his side. More on this subject in the article below.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:40 | 5153216 centerline
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Yup.  It he can't get the whole thing now - he will effectively break it in 2. 

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:43 | 5153232 AdvancingTime
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I tend to think Putin does not want all of Ukraine, the country is a mess. He just wants the eastern part.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:38 | 5153203 buzzsaw99
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Have fun storming the castle!
Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:38 | 5153210 Fix-ItSilly
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All this because Ukraine rescinded Russian as a second language.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:38 | 5153212 NEOSERF
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Well now push is coming to shove...about time someone softly nudged the NATO alliance to see if it even exists...time to send troops and tanks to sure up the border for the Ukraine or Poland falls next...

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:49 | 5153723 Latina Lover
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You first, Neoserf. I'm sure you will enjoy a warn novorossiyan welcome. /sarc off.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:41 | 5153221 max2205
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Would they close the market when it starts?

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:41 | 5153224 f16hoser
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The person in charge of NATO is either Incompetent or one big Pussie! Either one is horrible to contemplate.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:46 | 5153706 basho
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unfortunately he is both.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:42 | 5153225 stocktrend1
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Ukraine news will be volatility in the market.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:43 | 5153229 spastic_colon
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let me know when "markets" take anything seriously

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:46 | 5153244 Kina
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100 Martian Starship cruisers entered into Ukraine air space NATO reports.

15 Klingons captured.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 12:49 | 5154385 gallistic
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Where the Klingons captured around Uranus?

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:47 | 5153247 Bernanke'sDaddy
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If you guys haven't been getting sitreps from vineyard of the saker, I suggest you check it out. Very informatives.


Sounds like the Novorussians are about to fuck the Junta's forces up big time.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:49 | 5153255 socalbeach
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Everything NATO says in this release is suspect because of this quote:

"SA-22 surface-to-air missiles are now being deployed, more sophisticated than the SA-11 missiles that downed the Malaysian airliner, diplomat says"


Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:50 | 5153729 Latina Lover
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I am smelling the stench of another false flag coming...

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:57 | 5153273 skippy9
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Ukranian leaders think they are so smart they can drag America into its own quagmire and bilk billions from us. One scary thing, they are a lot smarter than Obama. Remember they fought on the side of Nazi Germany and when they lost they cried to Mother Russia that they had no choice. You can almost feel the media trying to hype us into another war: "remember the Maine", Lusitania Sunk etc.. What a world.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:59 | 5153276 Flagit
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I can't believe the cock sucker had the gall to mention a Malaysian airliner.......



SA-22 surface-to-air missiles are now being deployed, more sophisticated than the SA-11 missiles that downed the Malaysian airliner, diplomat says


You really wanna fuckin' go there?

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:05 | 5153293 dizzyfingers
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How many NATO troops, official and unofficial, in E. Europe?

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:14 | 5153320 Duude
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How many uninvited NATO troops in E. Europe?

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:11 | 5153313 loregnum
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So the same NATO that said a Russian military convoy was blown up 2 weeks ago? The same NATO that said the aid convoy last week was secretly a military one? Yeah I will believe what NATO says (specifically without any proof at all) since hey, being caught lying multiple times means you should be trusted. Really, anyone who still instantly believes what NATO says is an idiot and should be executed before they can spread the stupid gene even more than they already have.




Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:14 | 5153319 gcjohns1971
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If you monitor Russian blogs you might note something worrysome.

Lots of Russian families are posting that they've lost contact with their sons and daughters who are doing their mandatory 2 year military service.  Cellphones are being disconnected.  Sometimes the family says their kids reported they were being 'deployed' and then ... silence.

Most Russians are either behind Putin, or simply don't want to think about it.

But most Russians are under the impression that Nazi Ukrainians are executing Russian-speakers in the streets, hanging them from the lamp posts, and that the majority of those fighting are actually Americans in disguise.

They mostly believe their government when it says there are no Russian troops in Ukraine.

Personally I don't dis-believe them because they are the Russian Government.  I disbelieve them because they are a government.  Same with NATO and every other government.  Politicians and senior bureaucrats are a mafia, they only tell the truth as a mistake.

However, the Russian families reporting their kids who are 'Serving' are disappearing is a worrysome sign.  Whatever is going on with them, sooner or later the government will have to come clean.

Of then Putin might be 'President for Life'.

A politician can no more change his stripes than can a zebra.   No one would want such a shit job if they weren't control freaks, or thieves.

That is why it is always foolish to give 'the government' more than the minimum amount of power.  It is ALWAYS more dangerous to give power to a government than to a similarly sized corporation.   The corporation doesn't pretend to be 'sovereign' over you (to own you).

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:45 | 5153419 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Of then Putin might be 'President for Life'.

It's not my country, so it's none of my business.

In the context of the Ukrainian civil war, it's also a red herring.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:14 | 5153507 Schizofrantic Squonk
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I think that you overthink. When shit starts, sitreps from soldiers dry up. It's basic OPSEC.

My nephew's a Marine in middle east. When he was waiting for action, we got lots of updates. Now that his feet are on the ground (no boots, ha ha) the reports have stopped.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:15 | 5153519 Omen IV
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Simple explanation - Russia doesn't want US to pick up cell phone communications so has confiscated devices - so positions can't be determined

No worries !!

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:44 | 5153684 basho
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'They mostly believe their government'

...and who do you believe

...and where do you live where the govt has a 'minimum amount of power'

'It is ALWAYS more dangerous to give power to a government than to a similarly sized corporation.   The corporation doesn't pretend to be 'sovereign' over you (to own you).'

the above statement tells me you are not from this planet. lol

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:46 | 5153704 btdt
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geez. a bunch of guys show up, all signed up about half a year ago, and in the past few days, start shouting the same meme.

Paid by the word? Paid by the character?

Apparently no QA on their work - they are unable to translate talking poiints into paragraphs that disguise the common talking points. a downside of subcontracting such propoganda.


Thu, 08/28/2014 - 23:11 | 5154918 gallistic
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Yippee! Oh, happy day!

It's it's my favorite sparring partner (punching bag):  soldier boy, gcjohns1971!

Hey Johns, do you have any updates on those "two armor companies and an HHC"? You know, you really hurt my feelings by not responding when I spoon-fed you that cup of "shut the fuck up" you had so carefully prepared.

That okay, I forgive you. Let's play!


Wow! you must really be informed and in tune with popular sentiment in Russia, when you can categorically state:

  • "Most Russians are either behind Putin, or simply don't want to think about it."
  • "Most Russians are under the impression that Nazi Ukrainians are executing Russian-speakers in the streets, hanging them from the lamp posts
  • (Most Russians believe) "...the majority of those fighting are actually Americans in disguise."
  • "They (Russians) mostly believe their government when it says there are no Russian troops in Ukraine."

You are really in synch! Have you been traveling Russia conducting opinion polls and gleaning these rock-solid insights?


I was profoundly moved by your post. I can tell you are sincere and terribly concerned about the welfare of those Russian soldiers. You also genuinely and deeply care about those Russian families whose sons serve in the army when you say:

  • "If you monitor Russian blogs you might note something worrysome (sic). Lots of Russian families are posting that they've lost contact with their sons and daughters who are doing their mandatory 2 year military service."
  • "However, the Russian families reporting their kids who are 'Serving' are disappearing is a worrysome (sic) sign.  Whatever is going on with them, sooner or later the government will have to come clean"


I also really like your banalities and generalizations; they really fly!

"I disbelieve them because they are a government.  Same with NATO and every other government."
(NATO is not a government, brainiac..) 

"The corporation doesn't pretend to be 'sovereign' over you (to own you)." 
(13th Amendment, December 6, 1865)

"Politicians and senior bureaucrats are a mafia, they only tell the truth as a mistake."

"Of then Putin might be 'President for Life'"
(By then pigs might be flying, and nuclear Armageddon may have occurred, cats and dogs might be sleeping together...and we might have mass hysteria!)

"A politician can no more change his stripes than can a zebra."
(Whoaaa duuude...deep shit, man... deep...)

"No one would want such a shit job if they weren't control freaks, or thieves."
(Good info for the 10 year olds in the junior Future Upstanding Citizens Klan of America Society (FUCK-A Society) to know. I am sure the kids are grateful and thank you!)

"it is always foolish to give 'the government' more than the minimum amount of power."
 (A few centuries late, but I'm glad you finally read the memo and got up to speed; congratulations!)

It is ALWAYS more dangerous to give power to a government than to a similarly sized corporation.
(LMAO! WTF are you talking about? Have you taken your medication today?)

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:25 | 5153327 tony wilson
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whats the beef nato

nato is bad ass ye sir

boots in ukrainia

you got the mossad and the idf

the sas,the brit parachute regiment,cia,navy seals,akademie,blackwater,g4s,britam defense,isis security,

you got polish grom,you got special forces from the baltics.even fuckers from egypt and turkey.

whats the beef?

one sas one seal team 6 soldier is an army unto himself.

1000 thread bare russians if true ?

they are nothing i read it in the westpoint manual.

under equipped,terrible gear,badly trained with poor leaking boots.

yes sir academie have the gear  and the skills, they should have at 5000 thousands euros a day plus per diems.

what der fuck you bitchin about bitch you got all the tools jewish nazi money can buy.

stop bitchin go fight ivan

1000 is nuttin a cake walk for the mighty pole alone

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:14 | 5153515 Schizofrantic Squonk
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ESL? Just guessing...

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:24 | 5153348 demoses
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Three American aircraft carriers just invaded Tonga (Pacific Island) and are atm pillaging and killing the local population.


Now it is on the US state department to prove otherwise. As long as there is no counterproof the USA is INVADING TONGA!


See what I did there? ;)

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:39 | 5153397 demoses
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Burden of proof is on the accused!

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:53 | 5153449 Canucklehead
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You are an idiot. The proof is the comments you posted. Do you have any means to defend yourself?

I would gather your IQ is in the range of 65-70.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:58 | 5153464 Victor999
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Perhaps in your country it is, but for most of the world, the burden of proof is on the accuser.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:32 | 5153369 Son of Captain Nemo
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*NATO OFFICER: RUSSIAN TROOPS IN UKRAINE SERVING AS ADVISERS (just like the humanitarian Americans in Iraq?)


Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:33 | 5153377 Mike Masr
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Russia denies any Russian troups in Ukraine:



Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:39 | 5153396 22winmag
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What else would you call NATO when that's where 94% of it's military assets come from?

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:48 | 5153424 Freddie
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The US Military gets $1 trillion plus and all the Homeland Security BS gets another trillion and they cannot protect the border.  This is their only real function.  F them.  they are the NWO and Obama's bitches.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 11:32 | 5153941 Monty Burns
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They don't want to protect the border.  

Fixed it.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:53 | 5153443 Canucklehead
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Putin is really mismanaging this situation. He truly is acting like a little kid who picks at a scab because he thinks the resulting scar makes him look cool, makes him look tough. ... Low IQ... Thuggish behavior.

If he wants this situation to spiral into a war, with the expectation that Europe will blink first, best of luck. The EU centrists will use this instance to federalize the EU agenda. So what if a few Russian and Ukrainian eggs get broke. The name of the game is the omelet created. A war with Russia means fiscal logistics, which means federalized debt instruments. Germany knows this. The Baltic nations know this. It would be of value if a portion of Russia is acquired to help pay the way. The Chinese are sitting in the catbird seat, watching this play out.

Russia has no fiscal staying power. They would need to strike hard right out of the gate. They cannot last if the war drags out. They do not have the fiscal where-with-all to last. They are not big geopolitical players.

Russia needs access to deep pockets.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:17 | 5153527 Razor_Edge
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You don't have the faintest idea what you're talking about. We Europeans have no argument with Putin or Russia, tho' as per the last Euro elections, we have a major spat with the Eurocrats. Even they will not contemplate war with Russia, such a war will go nuclear very quickly as any half-informed half wit surely knows.

The interests of Europe, the peoples of Europe, are in a peaceful, friendly and trading  relationship from Galway, or Lisbon, to Vladivostock. Our interests across Euroasia align almost perfectly. Nato is a monster which should have died a natural death over 20 years ago. Europe has no enemies it needs to defend against, at least not in a massive military sense.

The only ones interested in war are those who profit from war, at the expense of the innocent. The US always needs someone to demonise, the EVIL enemy, and the suckers in the US, and maybe some on Canada, if you're any way representative, lap it up. It's only by dehumanising the "other", that these scum seek to blind the mass of cattle to do their bidding.

The very idea of a war with Russia demonstrates your insanity. Russian military doctrine sets out a tactical nuclear strategy in the event of war with Nato. If it goes tactical, then strategic exchanges are unlikely to be far behind.  Every man is my brother, even woman my sister (apart from my GF's!). I love my national culture and what makes my culture different, but I am no petty nationalist. We are not better, just different. Vivre la difference and let's all appreciate and celebrate our differences. Those who want to demonise and dehumanise can go fuck themselves.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:31 | 5153593 Canucklehead
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You must be one of those people who sit around in public and simple text on your phone. You see the type in bars, clubs, restaurants, waiting rooms, bus stations. They never talk to anyone. They live in their own little world. Many commentators here have the same approach to life. There is no analysis of their thoughts.

Look up and look around. Can't you see the trends? Do you find that events of the world are a surprise to you?

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:46 | 5153694 Razor_Edge
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Seems to me you're the one who can't see the trends, or else you're celebrating them. I see the beast in Washington and its five eyes slaves and Nato partners doing their masters bidding - keeping the world safe for oligarchical corporatism, and ravaging the world by stoking up irrational fears and the resultant hatred that sources rivers of blood.

Don't you know who virtually outspends the ROTW on military bloat?  No prizes dummy.

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.

This world in arms is not spending money alone.

It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.

The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities.

It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals.

It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement.

We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat.

We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people.

This is, I repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking.

This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. These plain and cruel truths define the peril and point the hope that come with this spring of 1953"

If you like war so much, how come you're not in the front line?


Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:48 | 5153717 Canucklehead
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You must be fun at parties. You must be the centre of attention when you arrive.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:56 | 5153763 Latina Lover
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Reads like Razor_edge punked you on the last exchange, Canuckhead.  I suggest you go back to and ask them for help.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 12:16 | 5154118 gcjohns1971
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If you live in Europe then you understand some things.

1) Germany is not an independently viable nation while its energy supplies can be easily cut by a competitor.

2) Germany is the economic core of the EU, and of Europe at large.  As goes Germany, so goes Europe.

3) Russia controls 30% of German energy, and can shut it off at any time they choose, in response to anything they choose.

4) Russia has shown since 2004 an inclination to use that power politically.

5) Russia has blocked all attempts to diversify supplies such that they don't have decisive control over the German economy. (Nabucco, Tblisi pipeline,  Qatar-to-Turkey pipelines).

6) Putin is now looking meaningfully at the calendar, with one hand on the energy valve.


With the loss of Europe as supportive allies, the US stands to lose the petro-dollar.  If we do then the dollar will collapse, the Euro-centric bankers of New York will have to relocate, restructure, or go out of business, and the North Eastern elites - who are europhiles and totally disconnected from the rest of the country - will leave or revise their agendas.

Europe on the other hand, is looking at having a new superpower to deal with, one that has never been interested in conjunctions of the words "coalition" or "alliance" and the word "willing".   The new boss will take a much more direct interest in your affairs.

I think the change will be a healthy one - at least for me.  Were I in your shoes? Well, not so much.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 13:20 | 5154584 Canucklehead
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Why didn't the Soviet Union take over all of Europe? They had a chance.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 13:42 | 5154718 Razor_Edge
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Russia is not a competitor of Germany. They are in fact ideal trading partners. And germany has historically looked eastwards.  To respond specifically to your points;


1. Germany is not an independent viable nation as long as it is occupied by US forces and has an occupation constitution. (Grundgesetz) Why would Russia cut energy supplies to Germany? Does a willing seller ever refuse to sell his goods that his living depends on, to a willing buyer??????


2. Arguable - but so what? If all of Europe let go of this insane warmongering the US is engaged in and just worked with Russia, instead of colluding with the US to surround Russia with Nato bases and missiles externally and to subvert it internally, then we could have peace from the Atlantic to the Pacific. But that wouldn't satisy Brezezhinski's imperial ambitions and plans for the vassal states (sic).The US is terrified of Europe and Russia developing cordial relationships  and of the new silk road. As Harold Mackinder said,

Who rules East Europe commands the Heartland
Who rules the Heartland commands the World-Island
Who rules the World-Island commands the world

This is the reason the US is terrified of Europe and Russia getting along, because it would make it in many way irrelevant.


3. And why would you abuse a good customer with the world leading technological prowess to develop alternatives if necessary and in the process shoot yourself in the foot? That's the style of the US, so it's not surprising that such an opinion is expressed from there, assuming that's where you are.

4. Care to provide sources for this claim?

5. Who'd a thunk they'd do such a dastardly thing? You think they're about to help their competition to eat their dinner?

6. We'll just have to wait and see about that one. But I say he is far more subtle than that. The West is authoring its own failure, and when your opponents are busily digging their own graves, it's usually not a good idea to distract them.

I agree with you about the loss of Europe as supportive allies being a danger to the Petro-Dollar, and I for one will dance on its grave. It's the so called petro-dollar which gives the US its exorbitant priviledge and allows it to plunder the rest of the world, not least through its thuggish military - (Maj-Gen Smedley Butler -
“I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”


As to the impact of the fall of the petro-dollar, it wil doubtless have a negative impact on Europe too. To that I say, BRING IT THE FUCK ON! It's time to ignite the ponzi bankster fraud system and get back to honest money and honest work. It's past time we rolled out Madame La Guillotine again in Europe for our puppet master money changers.

As to having a new superpower to deal with? Can you imagine what a superpower eurasia would be????? That's neither a good nor a bad thing in itself; all powers become corrupted and need to have a culling from time to time. That time is way overdue in the western empire.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 20:34 | 5156527 Canucklehead
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So you are the one who is 15 years old...

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 14:35 | 5155018 gallistic
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Dude, are you 15 years old?

"With the loss of Europe as supportive allies, the US stands to lose the petro-dollar.  If we do then the dollar will collapse, the Euro-centric bankers of New York will have to relocate, restructure, or go out of business, and the North Eastern elites - who are europhiles and totally disconnected from the rest of the country - will leave or revise their agendas."

"Europe on the other hand, is looking at having a new superpower to deal with, one that has never been interested in conjunctions of the words "coalition" or "alliance" and the word "willing".   The new boss will take a much more direct interest in your affairs."


Say what??? 

Where does one even start in the clean-up of that steaming shit-pile and mental diarrhea you have just unleashed?

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:19 | 5153540 Omen IV
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Russia has almost NO debt- EU can't go the distance without Gas- US is done for ISIS is going to clean their clock-

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:36 | 5153619 Canucklehead
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Regarding your ISIS comment:

10 Million Deer Hunters in the US.

21 Million Veterans in the US.

If ISIS were to make a move on the US on US soil, expect a boom in the sale of Piggy Puffs.

I suspect a lot of expired ISIS personnel will be desecrated with Pork Products.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:38 | 5153644 basho
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lol you'd sh*t your pants if someone pointed a gun at you.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:43 | 5153669 Canucklehead
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I take it you don't like Piggy Puffs?

Off hand, how many combatants does ISIS claim to have?

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 11:26 | 5153910 Monty Burns
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Hunters aren't used to their targets firing back.  Remains to be seen how good they'd be.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 11:28 | 5153920 Jano
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ISIS cares about their territory. They couldn=t care less about US.

Its just your perception, that anybody is after your stolen land.

The mexicans fight back with immigration and they will go for New Mexico, Texas and Ca and much more: the White House, as soon they will be the majority in their coountry. They will replace you, aggressive corrupt jewis pretorians.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 13:21 | 5154590 Canucklehead
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ISIS is dead meat if they care about their territory. They can only raid and retreat. If they stand their ground, they are dead meat.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:37 | 5153631 basho
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you are so stupid you must be an NSA troll.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:42 | 5153674 Sandmann
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Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:45 | 5153692 Canucklehead
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That is thoughtful analysis. I see a great deal of thought went into that as you capitalized the "T" rather than using a lower case "t".

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:54 | 5153455 BadDog
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Looks like the DNR has Russian and French volunteers and the Ukies have Poles along with Blackwater (XE, Academia..whatever).

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:59 | 5153471 dizzyfingers
dizzyfingers's picture  Good overview article re NATO's declining usefulness.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:12 | 5153506 Fix It Again Timmy
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Well, if they want a war, let them have a war; however; my advice is that soldiers on both sides sit down and wait until those that want a war can settle their differences - orders contrary to this should be met with deadly force directed towards those officers issuing them.  This is not as far-fetched as it may seem...

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:35 | 5153611 basho
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the entire NATO membership has got a case of diahrea. go to war over UE. you must be joking. who is going to go to war?

Latvia, Lithuania, mutti merkels DE, the ever ready Poles, Spain, Italy. the coalition of the misfits.

don't forget Canada. they're the mapmakers. lol

this must be a joke.

the ussa bogged down in syria, iraq, afghan, ferguson.

20 vets commiting suicide/day in the ussa.

petro$$ crashing.

the EU crashing with the food sanctions.

how about no gas, no oil added to the list.

the west really bought a package when they bought UE.

they didn't know how well off they were letting RU handle these psychotics. lol

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 11:25 | 5153896 Monty Burns
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With some small exceptions (Baltics) European people will riot before they'll be dragged into a war with Russia.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 11:45 | 5153976 tony wilson
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basho your words make sense and seem logical.

you have not factored in the courage of the mighty pole,the giants of kiev,the resolute finlandia,the cabbage farmers of latvia and lithuania.

i would guess you have never met a cabbage patch lithuanian.

those folks can survive on sauerkraut and polish freedom apples.

the dozing russian bear as awokenun the vegtable tribes of the baltics.

a polish Ratatouille  maidan is coming to moscow and vladdyvostok yes sir

do not mock the fermented veg farmers who bring freedom to your door.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 14:39 | 5155034 gallistic
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Kudos Tony; you have outdone yourself...

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:37 | 5153629 AgeOfJefferson
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Fed = IMF = NATO

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:45 | 5153689 kchrisc
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The Russian troops flew in on MH-17.

An American, not US subject.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:52 | 5153728 Lea
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Yes, yes, of course, we know, we know... Russian troops... big emergency... right now... urgent... all hell will get loose...


Thu, 08/28/2014 - 11:22 | 5153884 Monty Burns
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We'll know this is true only if CNN confirms it.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 11:13 | 5153850 smacker
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"NATO Says Over 1000 Russian Troops In Ukraine, "Extremely Worrying"


Smacker says "Over 1,500 Western mercs operating in Ukraine for fascist government. Extremely worrying".

John Doe says "Over 5,374 Western mercs operating in Ukraine for fascist government. Extremely worrying".

John Doe's Aunty says "Over 7,298 Western mercs operating in Ukraine for fascist government. Extremely worrying".

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 12:05 | 5154053 Otto Zitte
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NATO leeches' paychecks depend on you continuing to pay them. This is self serving propaganda. They will kill as many people as necessary to keep their free lunch coming, but they'd rather you come quietly. Otherwise they're happy to make you do all the work, and all the dying.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 12:23 | 5154177 jacship
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