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Summarizing The West's Russia-Ukraine Propaganda
Submitted by Dmitry Orlov via ClubOrlov blog,
With regard to the goings-on in Ukraine, I have heard quite a few European and American voices piping in, saying that, yes, Washington and Kiev are fabricating an entirely fictional version of events for propaganda purposes, but then so are the Russians. They appear to assume that if their corporate media is infested with mendacious, incompetent buffoons who are only too happy to repeat the party line, then the Russians must be same or worse.
The reality is quite different. While there is a virtual news blackout with regard to Ukraine in the West, with little being shown beyond pictures of talking heads in Washington and Kiev, the media coverage in Russia is relentless, with daily bulletins describing troop movements, up-to-date maps of the conflict zones, and lots of eye-witness testimony, commentary and analysis. There is also a lively rumor mill on Russian and international social networks, which I tend to disregard because it's mostly just that: rumor. In this environment, those who would attempt to fabricate a fictional narrative, as the officials in Washington and Kiev attempt to do, do not survive very long.
There is a great deal to say on the subject, but here I want to limit myself to rectifying some really, really basic misconceptions that Washington has attempted to impose on you via its various corporate media mouthpieces.
1. They would like you to think that there is a Russian invasion in the East of Ukraine. What's actually happening is a civil war between the government of Western Ukraine (which no longer rules the east in any definable way) and the Russian population of Eastern Ukraine. Ukraine has been falling apart for decades—ever since independence. The eventual break-up was inevitable, but the catalyst for it was the military overthrow of Ukraine's legitimate government and its replacement with cadres hand-picked in Washington.
2. They would like you to think that the Russian government stands behind Lugansk People's Republic and Donetsk People's Republic—the two regions which, based on referendum results, have chosen to break away from Kiev. In fact, the Russian government has refused to recognize these republics. They have received no official political support from Moscow, which asked for the referendums to be postponed, and repeatedly asked for a cease-fire and an international, negotiated settlement to the crisis. The leadership of LPR and DPR has refused, and now aims for an outright military victory.
3. They would like you to believe that the Russian government is arming the “rebels” in Eastern Ukraine. To the contrary, the Russian government has withheld all military support, limiting itself to providing humanitarian supplies to the hundreds of thousands of people whose lives have been destroyed by artillery and rocket fire coming from the Ukrainian forces. The weapons in the “rebels'” arsenal are trophies, which they seized from the retreating Ukrainian forces. That said, the “rebels” are indeed being supported—but by the Russian people, not the Russian government. Remember, these are all Russians, on both sides of the border, and the Ukrainian government no longer controls any of it.
4. They want to convince you that Russia poses a threat to peace in Europe, and that the crisis in Ukraine is part of an imperialist Russian strategy to resurrect the USSR. Nothing could be further from the truth. The overarching Russian ambition is for Russia to be a normal country, subject of international law, at peace with the whole world, and integrated into the global economy. The Russian government is doing next to nothing to prevent Russians in areas that were once part of Russia from being slaughtered right in their homes using artillery and rocket fire. This makes for a distressing spectacle, but the Russian people understand that enlarging the military conflict beyond the by now purely notional borders of Ukraine is not the answer.
5. They want to assure you that Kiev will eventually prevail in the conflict. In fact, the Ukrainian military is being systematically destroyed. Shelling civilians is the only activity which they have been able to carry out successfully. The government in Kiev has instituted three mobilizations, one after the other, sending into battle boys and old men (maximum draft age is now 60). Their soldiers are badly armed, badly trained, completely demoralized, and they mostly refuse to fight. The casualties run into the tens of thousands. Ukraine is quickly running out of tanks and APCs, which are all old Soviet-era and have been rusting for decades. It appears that Ukraine no longer has an air force at all. The war is far from over, but now, for the first time, LPR and DPR actually have something resembling an army, and that army is going on attack. Once the Ukrainian military collapses altogether, it seems likely that other parts of Ukraine will declare independence from Kiev.
6. They want you to think that the government in Kiev is legitimate, popular and stable. In fact, there are huge protests going on in Kiev at this very moment. The entire country is beyond bankrupt and is falling apart in real time, not just in the east, but everywhere. The people are beyond angry. The military units retreating from the east are in a foul mood, and may soon decide to turn their weapons against those who ordered them into battle. The people are beyond angry, and it seems probable that another revolution, only half a year since the last one, is in the works.
I hope that you can absorb this basic information and use it to filter out the propaganda that you read in Western newspapers and hear on the nightly news (if they mention Ukraine at all). Don't automatically assume that if your side is full of it, then the other side is too. You don't have to settle for lies.
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How is Faux News playing this for their (R)etard?
Anyone have a link to todays UNSC meeting..
I'm looking for a laugh at the expense of filthy Ukrainian and USSA liars.
It's hard for a collapsing country to draft the men and make them function as an invasion force.
This can't succeed in summer, nor last through winter, can it?
Unless they decide it's worth it to bomb something here and blame it on Russia, then you have morons running to the nearest recruitment center.
More likely IMHO for the next escalation a false flag cyber attack, i wonder if the recent JPMorgue was really a flase flag to set the public mood?
As an example, those pesky commie russians have stolen the money out of your accounts and lord only knows what they will do next.
Our only option is to close all the banks....
In a few days, heroically we have rescued it back from them...
The presstitute MSM will continue with the full-on propaganda and ignoring the massacring of civilians and infrastructure being destroyed by the junta conscripted army.
Anyone remember about that very old story of a plane, most sheeple probably just remember russia shot it down, not that it has all gone quiet and parties are sworn to secrecy.
I doubt it. I think Russia has good reason to believe "General Winter" will be useful; as he was in WW11.
And WW1 and Napoleon and the Crimean war.
I Checked CNBC news as some "independent" assholes here only trust liberal sources and people like Chris Matthews.
So Lo and Behold! What are the Libs saying...
Democrats have to vote for war to save Obama!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51GVXDDRVD8
Well, that's understandable. (D)umbasses (like (R)etards) always follow-the-leader. But, how is Faux News spinning this for their (R)etards without being to "pro" ni ni ni MUZ-LIM?
Well as far as i noticed today this has been front page news at CNN; meanhwile, there was a link to something Ukie or other a the bottom of fox.com
Interesting. So, they're still goin' with the easy ni ni ni buu-lack thing then.
No it isnt. What's understandable is your comment. You're a partisan liberal dick who plays the non-partisan, "I'm above all politics"" role. BS is your middle name. And you ain't smart n savvy.
When haven't the (R)etards and (D)umbasses blindly followed what their leaders said?
It's what MAKES them (R)etards and (D)umbasses.
I know, they're all the same, what difference does it make. Therefore, you should STFU about left/right or politics unless you want to be challenged.
The RESULTS of both parties are the same, but the bullshit used to manipulate their dumbasses is completely different.
The (R)etards are male Old Testament, the (D)umbasses are girly New Testament. That's completely different bullshit for completely different brain configurations.
This article is about propaganda, aka bullshit.
You think you're smart and come out with shit like R is Old Testament and D is New Testament. You have human nature and the human psyche all figured out. Like a modern day Goebbles. You're dead wrong like he was, it's all in your ego.
I think I'm right. Human behavior isn't that complex. Mommy / daddy, socialist / fascists, new / old testament, Blue / Red team. Very simple patterns caused by a limited number of basic brain configuration designed to organize competing tribes into killing each other for the glory of the biggest dicks in society. The Policial Teams create the bullshit to organzie the dumbasses allowing the big-dicks to win.
You liberals always over complicated things.
(Anyway, fun exchage. Gotta leave "work" now).
I tend to think you're right, too.
When Dems argue about Putin and Ukraine, they typically emphasize stuff like the "persecution of gays" in Russia and how Russia could be a threat to "human rights" across Europe. On the other hand, Republicans lament the fact that we don't have a "strong leader," someone who has "balls" and isn't afraid to "hit back" and take "strong action."
All of these things speak to distinct mindsets, and the people who shape public opinion know just how to tailor two different messages to speak to two different audiences and compel them both to paradoxically share the exact same opinion.
Well put
well said. and it really is quite brilliant, if you think about it. This administration and their lap dog media have managed to shape the narrative is such a way that the very same people who were calling bush a war criminal and screaming bloody murder about iraq and afghanistan are now fully behind the president doing pretty much anything against the russians and especially ISIS. Then, on the other side of the aisle you have the die hard repubs screaming for obama to 'stand up to putin' and talking about how weak we look for not immediatly imposing our will on everyone. The only people who have remained consistent are the ron paul types, and no one listens to us anyway
"I think I'm right. Human behavior isn't that complex. "
I had to read no further. That defines the progressive mind. Humans are simple minded pawns in their societal experiment and not very complex. It's all in their fucking ego, those who think they're smart n savvy, it's hillarious, they can't even control their own life but they want to control "us", humanity. Don't tell me your BS about political teams are the same when you are obviously biased. I'm a conservative, I'm not a republican and I don't fucking hide it, I wish you would do the same. If people knew the progressive you really are and what's really in your head they'd run.
"I had to read no further." And that defines the self-proclaimed conservative mind.
Hi Lola, how've you been. Still bashing Putin? I think in your case, you despise him for his masculinity, but secretly daydream about getting a hard pounding.
Projection is nine tenths of the law. Or something like that.
LTER, like many of us on here, are simply tired of the love fest this place becomes every time putin is mentioned. And we are fed up with the idea many seem to have on here that one has to pick sides, obama or putin, as if we can't dislike both. Yes, putin is making western govts look foolish, and yes it is amusing. But he is still about as for from being a libertarian, or even a 'freedom enthusiast' as most in our govt, and its disconcerting to see the 'liberty crowd' endlessly, and, often mindlessly, praise him
Your missing the point. The population is given a "choice". The parties are designed to resonate with different people on different levels. When you stand back and examine the stated values it is not hard to distinguish one side panders to a certain crowd, the other to others. If you are unable to choose a side, as many are, you are forced to accept another label. The simple fact that it is impossible to be both a democrat and a republican should enlighten you to the motive of divide and conquer. If ever the population were to support one side completely what do you would happen?
Make no mistake, both sides will follow their leaders.
I've said this before, but the comments section for WaPo articles is filled with Dems who make McCarthy look like a pinko hippy. The level of warmongering from the self-professed "anti-war" party is frankly astounding.
Conversely, Yahoo comments are almost all from Repubs who want to nuke first and ask questions later.
I have no idea what to make of this other than to think the propaganda must be working. It doesn't matter if both sides get behind a war for different reasons — so long as both sides get behind a war.
I'm just impressed you were brave enough to wade into the yahoo comment section, that place scares the hell out of me.
I only post here, but I read other places just to get a sense of what people are thinking. Of course, half the comments could be persona management software and completely fake. Who knows.
Youtube is probably the worst. Someone could post a kitten video and it would devolve into a bunch of people calling each other fags.
You should watch yourself. I caught a few minutes of Gutfeld vs Colmes about ISIS. Colmes was his usual calm and soft spoken self and I actually agreed with the few words he was allowed to say. Gutfeld wants war in Iraq/Syria now.
Edit: Colmes used some rationale. Gutfeld used emotion. That is all.
I'm going to blindly believe this.
/s
You should, with a name like Dmitry Orlov the guy is bound to be an impartial third party, Just like that Putin fellow.
Dmitry is a good guy- a friend of Mike Ruppert (RIP)
He may be a great guy and a fine Russian, but he is mistaken. All media is full of shit, even this place, the only way you're going to get even a fuzzy picture of whats going on is to either to be there, or to read everything you can on it from every angle.
Or you can get your weapon of choice and choose sides "with stick do-it-tive-ness."
Of course they don't call this place The Bloodlands for nothing. There are millions of dead buried there...tens of millions actually.
And I use the term "buried" loosely...
Orlov has credibility, I'd say. I've read a few of his "collapse" books, they are well reasoned, original and insightful, with no histrionics.
That said, he is saying something here that I WANT to be true, that we are assuming that because our media is nothing more than superficial garbage propaganda then everyone's must be. Man, it would be nice if he is correct. It almost suggests there is... hope?
I watch Russian news feeds and they do have something Orlov mentioned - detailed maps, pictures, videos and interviews. The western media has nothing but headlines and week-old black and white photographs of ghostly apparitions.
And it works! Today by the water cooler all I've heard is how Russia just invaded Ukraine. People that only scan headlines and go straight into discussion mode.
The Western propaganda is right-suitted for the Western mind.
Shallow and callow.
I'm never surprised by the number of people who are experts on something they know nothing about...
I agree with you Julia. As an American I have tired of Western media, I have been watching RT on this crisis and the reporting is very good. I am seeing things that I wouldn't see on American and Western news and RT appears credible. Now, what the West hasn't learned is that when they lie so much, and they report things that turn out not to be true, it becomes very easy to turn away. "Russian Invasion!" is how they characterized the humanitarian aid convoy? John Kerry builds his case for MH17 on YouTube videos that are easily dismissed? I worked for a CBS affiliate for five years in the 1980s and the state of Western media has so degraded I am embarrassed. I am an attorney now and would love to get Kerry, McCain and Obama in court, I would have a field day!
I like RT. Watch it to get different side of the story, but I don't use it as a main source of information. One thing you will never hear on RT is criticism of Russia or Putin, even if they're deserved. The focus is on international news that pain Russia in a positive way. I see it as Russia taking revenge for the years of relentless disinformation campaign against itself. Russia doesn't have to take it anymore and can actually respond back to the very same audiences that used to only receive Western propaganda.
To get feedback on the situation in Ukraine I prefer blogs and ground contacts. I have friends inside and around the region. They don't write often, but when they do, it's a breath of fresh air. Completely different language, completely different perspective.
Better with RT than without, but once again, I wouldn't completely trust it. Even Orlov - he makes good assumptions, but you still have to differentiate between what he knows and what he thinks. He, however, offers an entertaining read every single time.
I so miss living in the US.
/sarc
Regardless. Kiev is clearly the aggressor here (not disputing influences). Why should we do anything to support a government that refuses to make peace for the price of creating a republic? I don't care what Russia has done. Ukraine does not deserve our support in any way.
Our founding document provide a prescriptive reference for picking friends and enemies. Ukraine doesn't measure up.
. Ukraine does not deserve our support in any way.
Deserve our support? The government of Ukraine was created by 'our' government for a reason. And the US regime will support the Ukrainian regime until it's no longer usable as a blood funnel. Google up 'Nuland Pyatt phone call' for more.
Clive Maund puts it in english clearly written
http://www.clivemaund.com/article.php?art_id=3278
If you read and understand Russian, you can keep track of the news yourself, day by day:
If you don't know Russian, - well, at least you now know that there are daily updates from the trenches.
UPD: Graham Phillips' channel - https://www.youtube.com/user/gwplondon/videos
From a canadian
https://twitter.com/BradCabana
If you don't know Russian follow these sites:
Alternative Russian news sites in English:
http://en.voicesevas.ru/
http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/
http://rocksolidpolitics.blogspot.com/
Mainstream Russian news sites in English:
http://rt.com/
http://en.itar-tass.com/
http://en.ria.ru/
http://english.pravda.ru/
lol
Fox “News”, Drudge, etc, etc – seriously who listens to this crap. Oops …..
Do please provide a link to a Drudge article that was propaganda. Oh wait, he just links to other people's stories, frequently to ZH. Hmmm.
Project much?
Drudge was my first source of news for years. In the past couple of years it's become pretty clear to me that the MIC is his main agenda.
http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/drudge-bias-4-part-1-january-25th.jpg
Yes, he only posts other’s stories but he changes the headline and most Drudge “folks” don’t know how to read past the headline. Just Google Obama’s Christmas tree tax myth which was plastered across Drudge at 24 font bold. Oh the power ……. Influencing K-Mart republicans who are nothing more than manipulated sheep who don’t even get it – too funny.
Time is ticking for the Nudelmans in Kiev..
tick-tock...
its ticking for both sides...
if somethings going to happen...it will before the 'rasputitsa'...
You again! I thought you went away. The clock stops when the rebel army pulls up to Kiev. Right now they're cutting off Mariupol on the way to linking up with Crimea. The Donetsk Junta appointed govenor / government was hiding out in Mariupol, waiting for the Junta army to reinstall him in Donetsk City. Now its not gonna happen. The govenor was last seen exhorting his soon to be encircled troops to fight on as he was evacuating in his helocopter.
Nothing says FUCK the EU quite like more Russian sanctions.
How about an Israeli invasion of the Sinai?
I would love to have Putin lead the sanctions talk - not play this silly tit for tat game. He should come out and lay out the list of EU and US targets. He should accuse them of being Nazi collaborators, being guilty of war crimes against humanity. Pretty sure there's a dozen dusty old documents with signatures from WW2 era written just for that.
There are many definitions in the "war crimes" category. If played by the book, half of the world leaders would already be imprisonned. Bush Jr, Tony Blair, Bill Clinot would be serving life sentences or dangling like Saddam.
The world we are living in is absolutely unbelievable. The sad part is that it was probably always like that, but without the internet it was easy to ignore.
Tale all the infomation you get via the web. Remove it, only leaving established MSM networks. What would you know? The exact headlines Orlov highlights. That would be everything you'd know. And I would probably be rooting for team America along with other flag-waving patriots.
The world was always like that. The wars were always like that - different only to people getting bombed and pointing guns at eachother. Now we are apart of it. Well... not quite. Still a safe distance away, still protected, but for how long?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members'_Protection_Act
The USSA is worse than Hitlers NAzi germany.
They will kill everyone before recieving justice.
To them they are exceptional and everyone who isn't their slave deserves to die.
@Julia
Russia has already threatened how they will counter another round of punitive sanctions
1. Automobiles
2. Alcohol
3. Tobacco
only one problem...you'd have to add Putin to your list of war criminals as he's no saint either.
You clowns keep saying this without ever providing any argument. OK, he was hard on Grozney. But people like him there now. No one wanted to live under the Jihadis.
So let's hear it. What are you accusing the guy of?? Is he droning wedding parties? Throwing babies out of incubators? Lay it all out there for us to see. Or do you just get paid to do what you do?
You can see why the EU/CIA false flag team is pushing so hard. The Ukies do not have much time left and will need Western intervention to make it much further.
Perhaps they will give up and turn back to Syria; after all this is really about pipelines and cutting off russia
Ukraine would have been hard for the USSA to keep under its wing for long anyway
I think you are right. Next up Syria. The fat lady is about to sing in the Ukraine.
And Monday's a bank holiday; I hope Tuesday's not.
The East's Ukraine-Russia Propaganda Summarizing The West's Russia-Ukraine Propaganda
Sorry pal Im American and I have a constitutionally protected right to my goddammed fictional narrative you Commie.
Just kidding. No I'm not.
"The first casualty in any Conflict is the truth" - old proverb
"There a 3 sides to every Story. Your side, my side, and the truth" - old proverb
I'd love to see the intel that Putin, Obama, Merkel and Netanyahu get to see. In part to see what's really going on, and in part to see what differences their reports have (at the Executive Summary level and in detail). Note that I left out Poroshenko. That's because he's just a Puppet and is irrelevant.
To see all that, you'd have to beam over to that nifty 'bridge' that Keith Alexander had at NSA .
RAPE AND PILLAGE! RAPE AND PILLAGE! BURN THAT TOWN AND SACK THAT VILLAGE!
~ Attila the Hun ~
If that isn't a song yet, it needs to be.
This is an interesting time of (R)etard bullshit creation.
The (R)etards hate "that", "that", "that" ni... MUZ-LUM in the white-house, AND Putin is exactly the kind of manly man that Old Testament (R)etards would kill their kids for. But, Putin is a godless Commie ex-KGB who hates Merica, so that must be causing some reality problems in the (tiny) brains of the (R)etards.
Of course, the (D)umbasses will believe anything their leaders say (just the (R)etards did when their leaders sent them out to find the Weapons of Mass Delusion).
It'll all be easier in two years when Romney win: then the (R)etards and (D)umbasses can go back the non-confliciting anti-commy/anti-war bullshit.
I didn't expect this article from ZH.
Tomorrow ZH will be eating crow as Russian invasion will be posted everywhere.
Will ZH admit being wrong?
Does a stock market crap in the woods?
Is the bond market Polish?
Yes
"as Russian invasion will be posted everywhere"
you mean like earlier today, last friday, the friday before last friday....?
ok so far we have - snipers in maidan, coup, mh17, russian convoy was destroyed by ukraine - and zh was wrong about it, oh,wait
craus
Apparently your "reality" is based on what you imagine will happen tomorrow,
while denying what has actually happened up to and including today.
Why don't YOU admit being wrong about everything that has happened so far?
+1
the guy can't even admit (or realize) that Nudelmans dogs have cried wolf countless times
First, this isn't a ZH article.
I'll admit though, I was hoping Orlov would at least provide some detail behind his claims, rather than just parroting/clarifying state positions. I would assume part of this is due to the fact that this whole event was Western driven, and thus the ones who have to create a plausible narrative. Those on the defensive have no need, as it can only backfire and undermine their cause.
And tomorrow you'll be eating shit. Just like you are today.
so what happens to the billion dollar fortune of the Biden family in Burisma?
Who is "They" who was repeated 6 times?
The guys who program the Algos that bid-up the price of stock that nobody is trading.
Yes, and since most programmers in the US come from India. Lets nuke em.
Your question is answered in the opening sentences, which read:
"With regard to the goings-on in Ukraine, I have heard quite a few European and American voices piping in, saying that, yes, Washington and Kiev are fabricating an entirely fictional version of events for propaganda purposes, but then so are the Russians. They appear to assume that if their corporate media is infested with mendacious, incompetent buffoons who are only too happy to repeat the party line, then the Russians must be same or worse."
Perfect example of "Reality being stranger than fiction." And, when you throw in Criminal CIA / MIC State Dept. False Narratives, PsyOp & Propaganda it outright boggles the mind.
It truly is an Art. A sick, sadistic, Pure Evil from of Perception & Mind Control.
If an alien was presented with a book describing the world we live in, he would dismiss it as being a totally unbelievable piece of work.
Yes, Fiction.
Not if it was a dick-swingin' male alien.
again i ask...where is china in all of this...i know i keep repeating myself but surely china knows if russia fails it is next. im beginning to think the chinese are not that smart or ready for global chess.
The last 50 years has shown the superiority of the American sociopaths many times. As uncle Warren said: never bet against Merica!
China helping russian from a shadow. You don't have news in western press about this.
yuan swaps is the tip of the iceberg + include trade war between USA and CHina +many other things( too lazy to describe)
Best to rarely ever lead with a trump. Game has far to go.
China is busy garrisoning the South and East China Seas.
Yep. If things get real in Ukraine, China could just walk into Taiwan. Second front. That could make things tough for the neocons. And the grunts in the trenches.
start by shooting down a US warplane?
You want to talk about a Leader in every sense of the word?...
Look no further!
And the best part of all is that the rest of Ukraine will join him with those words. This speech is amazing juxtaposed to the indecisiveness and panic coming out of Obama today.
This is the guy anybody would want as their President and I'm an American speaking those words.
With awe and envy!
He's a Godless commy with a squeakier voice than Ross Perot, and look what the dumbasses thought of the giant sucking sound .
Do you think he could REALLY stand-up to the high quality (R)etard and (D)umbass bullshit?
I think Godless commies are less dangerous than religious conservatives.
commie!
"Do you think he could REALLY stand-up to the high quality (R)etard and (D)umbass bullshit?"...
???...
NAR
I thought I'd have a retort for you after what you wrote -but Nahh!
I don't need no stinking leaders.
Left alone, I can make my own way, thanks.
Gotta admit Putin is a great politician..
Giving the Ukrianian conscripts their lives..
Porky sent them in to die; their mothers are furious with porky and the nudelmans; and now Putin reaches out to them as if saying "it's okay, we don't blame you for following Porky's orders at gun point..you can be safe here"
Putin is obviously a better player of the 'Great Game' but I object to being forced to be one of the pieces in a game I want no part of.
I understand it is not necessary to pick a side, and I understand both sides are inherently corrupt and spreading some propaganda or another.
However I hope the lesser of 2 evils prevails; and modern history has shown us its the RF
The Russians have been through hell with the Soviet Union. I think they are done wanting anything like it. It is our turn next. Do we go toward totalitarianism this time, or do we luck out and return to liberty after our inevitable fall in the near future? The east is not grabbing all the gold they can get for the heck of it.
i don't think "we go toward totalitarianism this time" but are already being kept in a state of near totalitarianismby the oligarchs and large corporates.
it would not be in their best interests to have an angry population out to get them but better to have one where most people do not riot or protest too much but go about their daily lives still thinking things can get better aka the great american dream.
"Putin is obviously a better player of the 'Great Game' but I object to being forced to be one of the pieces in a game I want no part of."
Unless you take yourself off to the North Pole to live under a tent, I don't see how you can escape any of this. This is worldwide shit, all brought to you courtesy of the USA murder inc.
It is hard for the US government to fabricate a case for war when the US people do not give a damn about the Ukraine or the US government (because most now know that the government does not represent them).
Government is like a mosquito in the air, annoying, occassionally biting, but best ignored.
Re: because most now know that the government does not represent them
I'm not so sure about that. Can you imagine what the (R)etards would be foaming at the mouth about now if Romney or McCain were in the White House?
It wouldn't be those ni ni ni buuu-lacks in St Louis, that's for sure. It would be Putin taking over the world.
Thanks, Dmitry ... I also enjoy your writing.
vlad vs. barry in the final analysis and we know who prevails there.
If it is true that the Ukie army are getting a hiding, moral has plummeted due to very large losses and there is revolutionary unrest in Kiev against Poroshenko, it would explain why the propaganda and lies are being ratcheted up by him and of course his masters in Washington.
Whereas in the latter days of WWII, Nazi Generals complained that Hitler was ordering them to attack the Allies with Divisions that no longer existed, Poroshenko claims to have destroyed convoys of Russian military hardware that never existed and has invaded Ukie, he cannot produce any evidence of his claims.
Who knows what to believe. But I tend to think this article contains more truths than the wall-to-wall garbage being spewed out by Western MSM each day.
View the real war crimes against the Ukrainian People.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE18iPQ1Euk
Shelling and murdering your own civilian population by the fascist Washington puppet regime in Kiev is a criminal war crime that should, and will, be heard and prosecuted by the International Criminal Court in the Hague. –--------- Whoops, I have that wrong, the Netherlands are being threatened by the USA Congress that if they charge any American with a criminal war crime; the USA will invaded with our military to prevent the trial. I am not kidding, its real. Rule of Law is dead.
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/internationales-strafgericht-us-kongress-droht-niederlanden-mit-invasion-a-200430.html
Obama is a bankster/ military complex/ big oil Empire war criminal along with Bush and Cheney and others. Russia and China should insist the criminals in Washington be brought before the International Criminal Court at the Hague. Americans want to charge the Empire criminals in Washington with Treason.
Make a list and scream: No more! Hang the criminals for Treason!
It's our only chance to bring the Washington Empire bankster criminals to Justice before they commit genocide against the American People as they have against the Ukraine People.
What percentage of the German media (would you guess) is saying that the US is to blame for all this?
can't get their gold, can't get 130k occupiers (soldiers) out - not much gonads there.
If they joined Russia they could totally hamstring us with a surprise annihilation of 130k soldiers in their home territory. The krauts don't seem too friendly right now either.
Aparently the ICC would not work against any war criminal as it would be attacked. Soldiers would have to decide the fate of prisoners immediately then
That's where having an omnipotent NSA is a game changer. But I wonder what the Russians wanted in the JP Morgan hacking? Maybe financial records related to the Saudi-9/11 connection? Wonder how far that rabbit hole goes.
do you think it really was the russians as in russian state?
more likely IMHO individual russina hackers or beginning of US false flag cyber attack - this one to set the scene.
Honesty is the best policy. Loyalty is a virtue. And, Yellen is a goat.
aka putzette.
The Lord loves a working man, don't trust whitey, see a doctor and get rid of it.
I grew up hearing that Pravda was the Soviet state-owned mouthpiece, that Russian media lied and American media told truth. Vlad P. has a new tactic which he is playing very well.....rather than lie about the U-S govt economic and political policies and rather than lie about the U-S media, he has only to direct RT and other Russian media outlets to tell the truth, which is much more horrible than anything the Russians can invent. And he has an exclusive on that, since our side isn't telling us anything that's true.
When you consider that the U-S sat pix of Russian invaders don't show thousands of tanks streaming across the border, but only a column or two of vehicles, you have to wonder, even at this hour, if Russia has actually invaded. I would think an invasion would resemble Omaha Beach, or 1956 Poland and not the puny display U-S sat pix are showing. Russia hears the same crap we hear....DC doesn't have a plan to wipe out ISIS, which last I looked, had murdered an American by beheading, and is murdering everyone in its path, while Russians don't seem to have killed any Americans yet. No one is afraid of the U-S any longer, much less Russia. Obama did say he has beheading on his mind--he say he beheading to the golf course.
I read somewhere (here?) that Uki conscripts get 12 bullets total at the rifle range before shoved into battle
The info, where you might come accross 12 rounds ammo per day: yes, this was a description of their initial training for the combat. Not the combat itself.
btw. as I shot 3x9 out of 3 rounds on 200 meters, I got no ammo anymore and was sent to clean the yard/austrian mandatory 6 month service.
"the Russian government has withheld all military support, limiting itself to providing humanitarian supplies to the hundreds of thousands of people whose lives have been destroyed by artillery and rocket fire coming from the Ukrainian forces. The weapons in the “rebels'” arsenal are trophies"
:) nice try
Can't Putin just get a weekly livestream together and clear all these up? Or RT does this for him?
The author Dmitry appears to be a professional writer for many years
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Orlov
with provacative 'grabby' political and economic articles. He is worth the read, but may have a mix of message and profit agenda.
"They appear to assume that if their corporate media is infested with mendacious, incompetent buffoons who are only too happy to repeat the party line, then the Russians must be same or worse. The reality is quite different."
The reality is not really different.
Yes, the reality is different.
The statements from the Russians are either denials of Western allegations or claims of NATO/Ukraine lies. Moscow also charges that the MSM of the West ignores the Russian version of events.
Washington doesn't even deign to deny the Russian charges. While the Russian MSM doesn't ignore the behavior and version of events by the West.
Then there's disappearance of the Kievan ATC tapes. The US MSM has completely disregarded that story. It is sui generis in this propaganda war. 300 lives lost when a plane is shot down and Kiev witholds the ATC tapes and there is not a peep out of the Western governments or the Western media.
The reality is different.
My first reaction at the title was "Yes! Someone who is going to call the Western media on their deceptions and misrepresentations and give us something much closer to reality." After reading through it a little my reaction was "Oh. Someone who is going to call the Western media on their deceptions and misrepresentations and give us something much closer to the Eastern media's deceptions and misrepresentations." Cue sad face.
Maskirovka
What a fuking joke..............
Nobody is telling the truth and really nobody cares.....
Remember cambodia???????
When governments spy on their people and government propaganda programs intersect it is very dangerous and the potential of abuse is huge. This leads down a road towards less freedom and is paved with the bones of all those who have failed to be outraged by governments slowly removing their liberties
This leaves all of us open to both blackmail or abuse by those in power for what they claim is a greater good as they determine just what that might be. Never overestimate the sophistication and ability of our government to clarify exactly what is happening anywhere and at any time. The recent score of scandals plaguing Washington makes it clear that more fact-free confusion and speculation the fuel of propaganda-based reporting system is in no shortage. More on this subject in the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/07/when-propaganda-and-surveillance....
I'm rootin for Putin; and that's for certin!
The present "western" journalists should read the CV of Julis Streicher. Maybe they will quit the job after recognizing, that the they will end up, like J.S.
anybody, who grew up in the eastern block, like me, does not need to read D. Orlov.... he is automatically sensitive and can distiguish perfectly, what is a truth and what is a spin.
what's the russian population doing there in the first place ?
There has been some reference to 'experts' lately, here is my take on that.
'An 'expert' is someone who knows more and more, about less and less, untill he or she, knows absolutely everything about nothing.'
Unknown.
For what its worth.
But but but but ... what about Crimea ?
This article plays the russians as mere bystanders to the terrible nasty ukranian western controled puppets...
But what about crimea ? with putin's declaration of victory, propaganda and visit to the territory ?
Was it all western propaganda too ?
wtf is this ZH site anyway ? I'm starting to doubt...