Summarizing The West's Russia-Ukraine Propaganda

Tyler Durden's picture

Submitted by Dmitry Orlov via ClubOrlov blog,

With regard to the goings-on in Ukraine, I have heard quite a few European and American voices piping in, saying that, yes, Washington and Kiev are fabricating an entirely fictional version of events for propaganda purposes, but then so are the Russians. They appear to assume that if their corporate media is infested with mendacious, incompetent buffoons who are only too happy to repeat the party line, then the Russians must be same or worse.

The reality is quite different. While there is a virtual news blackout with regard to Ukraine in the West, with little being shown beyond pictures of talking heads in Washington and Kiev, the media coverage in Russia is relentless, with daily bulletins describing troop movements, up-to-date maps of the conflict zones, and lots of eye-witness testimony, commentary and analysis. There is also a lively rumor mill on Russian and international social networks, which I tend to disregard because it's mostly just that: rumor. In this environment, those who would attempt to fabricate a fictional narrative, as the officials in Washington and Kiev attempt to do, do not survive very long.

There is a great deal to say on the subject, but here I want to limit myself to rectifying some really, really basic misconceptions that Washington has attempted to impose on you via its various corporate media mouthpieces.

1. They would like you to think that there is a Russian invasion in the East of Ukraine. What's actually happening is a civil war between the government of Western Ukraine (which no longer rules the east in any definable way) and the Russian population of Eastern Ukraine. Ukraine has been falling apart for decades—ever since independence. The eventual break-up was inevitable, but the catalyst for it was the military overthrow of Ukraine's legitimate government and its replacement with cadres hand-picked in Washington.

 

2. They would like you to think that the Russian government stands behind Lugansk People's Republic and Donetsk People's Republic—the two regions which, based on referendum results, have chosen to break away from Kiev. In fact, the Russian government has refused to recognize these republics. They have received no official political support from Moscow, which asked for the referendums to be postponed, and repeatedly asked for a cease-fire and an international, negotiated settlement to the crisis. The leadership of LPR and DPR has refused, and now aims for an outright military victory.

 

3. They would like you to believe that the Russian government is arming the “rebels” in Eastern Ukraine. To the contrary, the Russian government has withheld all military support, limiting itself to providing humanitarian supplies to the hundreds of thousands of people whose lives have been destroyed by artillery and rocket fire coming from the Ukrainian forces. The weapons in the “rebels'” arsenal are trophies, which they seized from the retreating Ukrainian forces. That said, the “rebels” are indeed being supported—but by the Russian people, not the Russian government. Remember, these are all Russians, on both sides of the border, and the Ukrainian government no longer controls any of it.

 

4. They want to convince you that Russia poses a threat to peace in Europe, and that the crisis in Ukraine is part of an imperialist Russian strategy to resurrect the USSR. Nothing could be further from the truth. The overarching Russian ambition is for Russia to be a normal country, subject of international law, at peace with the whole world, and integrated into the global economy. The Russian government is doing next to nothing to prevent Russians in areas that were once part of Russia from being slaughtered right in their homes using artillery and rocket fire. This makes for a distressing spectacle, but the Russian people understand that enlarging the military conflict beyond the by now purely notional borders of Ukraine is not the answer.

 

5. They want to assure you that Kiev will eventually prevail in the conflict. In fact, the Ukrainian military is being systematically destroyed. Shelling civilians is the only activity which they have been able to carry out successfully. The government in Kiev has instituted three mobilizations, one after the other, sending into battle boys and old men (maximum draft age is now 60). Their soldiers are badly armed, badly trained, completely demoralized, and they mostly refuse to fight. The casualties run into the tens of thousands. Ukraine is quickly running out of tanks and APCs, which are all old Soviet-era and have been rusting for decades. It appears that Ukraine no longer has an air force at all. The war is far from over, but now, for the first time, LPR and DPR actually have something resembling an army, and that army is going on attack. Once the Ukrainian military collapses altogether, it seems likely that other parts of Ukraine will declare independence from Kiev.

 

6. They want you to think that the government in Kiev is legitimate, popular and stable. In fact, there are huge protests going on in Kiev at this very moment. The entire country is beyond bankrupt and is falling apart in real time, not just in the east, but everywhere. The people are beyond angry. The military units retreating from the east are in a foul mood, and may soon decide to turn their weapons against those who ordered them into battle. The people are beyond angry, and it seems probable that another revolution, only half a year since the last one, is in the works.

I hope that you can absorb this basic information and use it to filter out the propaganda that you read in Western newspapers and hear on the nightly news (if they mention Ukraine at all). Don't automatically assume that if your side is full of it, then the other side is too. You don't have to settle for lies.

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Son of Captain Nemo's picture

You want to talk about a Leader in every sense of the word?...

Look no further!

And the best part of all is that the rest of Ukraine will join him with those words. This speech is amazing juxtaposed to the indecisiveness and panic coming out of Obama today.

This is the guy anybody would want as their President and I'm an American speaking those words.

With awe and envy!

NOTaREALmerican's picture

He's a Godless commy with a squeakier voice than Ross Perot, and look what the dumbasses thought of the giant sucking sound .

Do you think he could REALLY stand-up to the high quality (R)etard and (D)umbass bullshit?

logicalman's picture

I think Godless commies are less dangerous than religious conservatives.

Son of Captain Nemo's picture

"Do you think he could REALLY stand-up to the high quality (R)etard and (D)umbass bullshit?"...

???...

NAR

I thought I'd have a retort for you after what you wrote  -but Nahh!

logicalman's picture

I don't need no stinking leaders.

Left alone, I can make my own way, thanks.

TungstenBars's picture

Gotta admit Putin is a great politician..

Giving the Ukrianian conscripts their lives..

Porky sent them in to die; their mothers are furious with porky and the nudelmans; and now Putin reaches out to them as if saying "it's okay, we don't blame you for following Porky's orders at gun point..you can be safe here"

logicalman's picture

Putin is obviously a better player of the 'Great Game' but I object to being forced to be one of the pieces in a game I want no part of.

 

TungstenBars's picture

I understand it is not necessary to pick a side, and I understand both sides are inherently corrupt and spreading some propaganda or another.

 

However I hope the lesser of 2 evils prevails; and modern history has shown us its the RF

therevolutionwas's picture

The Russians have been through hell with the Soviet Union.  I think they are done wanting anything like it.  It is our turn next.  Do we go toward totalitarianism this time, or do we luck out and return to liberty after our inevitable fall in the near future? The east is not grabbing all the gold they can get for the heck of it.

tonyw's picture

i don't think "we go toward totalitarianism this time" but are already being kept in a state of near totalitarianismby the oligarchs and large corporates.

it would not be in their best interests to have an angry population out to get them but better to have one where most people do not riot or protest too much but go about their daily lives still thinking things can get better aka the great american dream.

 

Lea's picture

"Putin is obviously a better player of the 'Great Game' but I object to being forced to be one of the pieces in a game I want no part of."

Unless you take yourself off to the North Pole to live under a tent, I don't see how you can escape any of this. This is worldwide shit, all brought to you courtesy of the USA murder inc.

 

Notsobadwlad's picture

It is hard for the US government to fabricate a case for war when the US people do not give a damn about the Ukraine or the US government (because most now know that the government does not represent them).

Government is like a mosquito in the air, annoying, occassionally biting, but best ignored.

NOTaREALmerican's picture

Re:  because most now know that the government does not represent them

I'm not so sure about that.  Can you imagine what the (R)etards would be foaming at the mouth about now if Romney or McCain were in the White House?  

It wouldn't be those ni ni ni buuu-lacks in St Louis, that's for sure.    It would be Putin taking over the world.  

George Washington's picture

Thanks, Dmitry ... I also enjoy your writing.

ramacers's picture

vlad vs. barry in the final analysis and we know who prevails there.

smacker's picture

If it is true that the Ukie army are getting a hiding, moral has plummeted due to very large losses and there is revolutionary unrest in Kiev against Poroshenko, it would explain why the propaganda and lies are being ratcheted up by him and of course his masters in Washington.

Whereas in the latter days of WWII, Nazi Generals complained that Hitler was ordering them to attack the Allies with Divisions that no longer existed, Poroshenko claims to have destroyed convoys of Russian military hardware that never existed and has invaded Ukie, he cannot produce any evidence of his claims.

Who knows what to believe. But I tend to think this article contains more truths than the wall-to-wall garbage being spewed out by Western MSM each day.

windcatcher's picture

 

View the real war crimes against the Ukrainian People.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE18iPQ1Euk

 

Shelling and murdering your own civilian population by the fascist Washington puppet regime in Kiev is a criminal war crime that should, and will, be heard and prosecuted by the International Criminal Court in the Hague. –--------- Whoops, I have that wrong, the Netherlands are being threatened by the USA Congress that if they charge any American with a criminal war crime; the USA will invaded with our military to prevent the trial. I am not kidding, its real. Rule of Law is dead.

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/internationales-strafgericht-us-kongress-droht-niederlanden-mit-invasion-a-200430.html

Obama is a bankster/ military complex/ big oil Empire war criminal along with Bush and Cheney and others. Russia and China should insist the criminals in Washington be brought before the International Criminal Court at the Hague. Americans want to charge the Empire criminals in Washington with Treason.

Make a list and scream: No more! Hang the criminals for Treason!

It's our only chance to bring the Washington Empire bankster criminals to Justice before they commit genocide against the American People as they have against the Ukraine People.

 

NOTaREALmerican's picture

What percentage of the German media (would you guess) is saying that the US is to blame for all this?

ramacers's picture

can't get their gold, can't get 130k occupiers (soldiers) out  - not much gonads there.

drdolittle's picture

If they joined Russia they could totally hamstring us with a surprise annihilation of 130k soldiers in their home territory. The krauts don't seem too friendly right now either.

TungstenBars's picture

Aparently the ICC would not work against any war criminal as it would be attacked. Soldiers would have to decide the fate of prisoners immediately then

herohedge's picture

That's where having an omnipotent NSA is a game changer. But I wonder what the Russians wanted in the JP Morgan hacking? Maybe financial records related to the Saudi-9/11 connection? Wonder how far that rabbit hole goes.

tonyw's picture

do you think it really was the russians as in russian state?

more likely IMHO individual russina hackers or beginning of US false flag cyber attack - this one to set the scene.

q99x2's picture

Honesty is the best policy. Loyalty is a virtue. And, Yellen is a goat.

swmnguy's picture

The Lord loves a working man, don't trust whitey, see a doctor and get rid of it.

bardot63's picture

I grew up hearing that Pravda was the Soviet state-owned mouthpiece, that Russian media  lied and American media told truth.  Vlad P. has a new tactic which he is playing very well.....rather than lie about the U-S govt economic and political policies and rather than lie about the U-S media, he has only to direct RT and other Russian media outlets to tell the truth, which is much more horrible than anything the Russians can invent.  And he has an exclusive on that, since our side isn't telling us anything that's true.  

When you consider that the U-S sat pix of Russian invaders don't show thousands of tanks streaming across the border, but only a column or two of vehicles, you have to wonder, even at this hour, if Russia has actually invaded.  I would think an invasion would resemble Omaha Beach, or 1956 Poland and not the puny display U-S sat pix are showing.   Russia hears the same crap we hear....DC doesn't have a plan to wipe out ISIS, which last I looked, had murdered an American by beheading, and is murdering everyone in its path, while Russians don't seem to have killed any Americans yet.  No one is afraid of the U-S any longer, much less Russia.  Obama did say he has beheading on his mind--he say he beheading to the golf course.

Anunnaki's picture

I read somewhere (here?) that Uki conscripts get 12 bullets total at the rifle range before shoved into battle

Jano's picture

The info, where you might come accross 12 rounds ammo per day: yes, this was a description of their initial training for the combat. Not the combat itself.

btw. as I shot 3x9 out of 3 rounds on 200 meters, I got no ammo anymore and was sent to clean the yard/austrian mandatory 6 month service.

123dobryden's picture

 "the Russian government has withheld all military support, limiting itself to providing humanitarian supplies to the hundreds of thousands of people whose lives have been destroyed by artillery and rocket fire coming from the Ukrainian forces. The weapons in the “rebels'” arsenal are trophies"

 

 

:) nice try

herohedge's picture

Can't Putin just get a weekly livestream together and clear all these up? Or RT does this for him?

are we there yet's picture

The author Dmitry appears to be a professional writer for many years

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Orlov

with provacative 'grabby' political and economic articles. He is worth the read, but may have a mix of message and profit agenda. 

moneybots's picture

"They appear to assume that if their corporate media is infested with mendacious, incompetent buffoons who are only too happy to repeat the party line, then the Russians must be same or worse. The reality is quite different."

 

The reality is not really different.

bid the soldiers shoot's picture

Yes, the reality is different.

The statements from the Russians are either denials of Western allegations  or claims of NATO/Ukraine lies.  Moscow also charges that the MSM of the West ignores the Russian version of events.

Washington doesn't even deign to deny the Russian charges. While the Russian MSM doesn't ignore the behavior and version of events by the West.

Then there's disappearance of the Kievan ATC tapes.  The US MSM has completely disregarded that story.  It is sui generis in this propaganda war.  300 lives lost when a plane is shot down and Kiev witholds the ATC tapes and there is not a peep out of the Western governments or the Western media.

The reality is different.

Tartarus's picture

My first reaction at the title was "Yes! Someone who is going to call the Western media on their deceptions and misrepresentations and give us something much closer to reality." After reading through it a little my reaction was "Oh. Someone who is going to call the Western media on their deceptions and misrepresentations and give us something much closer to the Eastern media's deceptions and misrepresentations." Cue sad face.

luckylogger's picture

What a fuking joke..............

Nobody is telling the truth and really nobody cares.....

Remember cambodia???????

AdvancingTime's picture

When governments spy on their people and government propaganda programs intersect it is very dangerous and the potential of abuse is huge. This leads down a road towards less freedom and is paved with the bones of all those who have failed to be outraged by governments slowly removing their liberties

This leaves all of us open to both blackmail or abuse by those in power for what they claim is a greater good as they determine just what that might be. Never overestimate the sophistication and ability of our government to clarify exactly what is happening anywhere and at any time. The recent score of scandals plaguing Washington makes it clear that more fact-free confusion and speculation the fuel of propaganda-based reporting system is in no shortage. More on this subject in the article below.

 http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/07/when-propaganda-and-surveillance....

SAT 800's picture

I'm rootin for Putin; and that's for certin!

Jano's picture

The present "western" journalists should read the CV of Julis Streicher. Maybe they will quit the job after recognizing, that the they will end up, like J.S.

anybody, who grew up in the eastern block, like me, does not need to read D. Orlov.... he is automatically sensitive and can distiguish perfectly, what is a truth and what is a spin.

lagrossebertha's picture

what's the russian population doing there in the first place ?

'argar the 'orrible's picture

There has been some reference to 'experts' lately, here is my take on that.

'An 'expert' is someone who knows more and more, about less and less, untill he or she, knows absolutely everything about nothing.'

Unknown.

For what its worth.

Johnny_is_already_taken's picture

But but but but ... what about Crimea ?

 

This article plays the russians as mere bystanders to the terrible nasty ukranian western controled puppets...

But what about crimea ? with putin's declaration of victory, propaganda and visit to the territory ?

Was it all western propaganda too ?

 

wtf is this ZH site anyway ? I'm starting to doubt...