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Ukraine Accuses Russia Of Launching Invasion, Then Promptly Retracts

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It has been a busy morning: following a substantial surge in Ukraine separatist activity in the past 24 hours, which saw them capture the strategic Sea of Azov port town of Novoazovsk, a move which the NYT classified as "Ukraine Reports Russian Invasion on a New Front", Ukraine has turned on the disinformation spigot to max resulting in a constant verbal, and headline, diarrhea as follows:

  • POROSHENKO CONVENES SECURITY COUNCIL ON RUSSIAN `INVASION'
  • POROSHENKO: SITUATION IN UKRAINE'S EAST DETERIORATED SHARPLY
  • UKRAINE EU AMBASSADOR CALLS FOR JOINT EFFORT TO `STOP THIS WAR'
  • POROSHENKO SAYS SECURITY COUNCIL WILL DRAW UP FURTHER PLANS
  • RUSSIAN ARMY CONTROLS NOVOAZOVSK: UKRAINE SECURITY COUNCIL
  • YATSENYUK URGES UN SECURITY COUNCIL TO DEBATE UKRAINE SITUATION

So sure was Ukraine that this time (unlike all those previous disinformation launches) Russia has invaded that Anton Herashchenko, adviser to Ukrainian Interior Ministry, actually commented on his Facebook page saying "Invasion of regular Russian army of Putin to Ukraine is an accomplished fact,” Adding that Putin "de-facto places Ukraine on a war-footing at a time when a decree was signed to dissolve parliament."

Well, yes, Ukraine has no government, but Russia of course denied all of it:

  • PESKOV WON'T COMMENT ON REBEL CLAIM OF RUSSIAN TROOP SUPPORT

All of this latest disinformation propaganda was summarized by Reuters best:

Ukraine accused Russia on Thursday of mounting an invasion in the southeast of the country in support of pro-Moscow separatist rebels. Ukraine's security and defense council said the border town of Novoazovsk and other parts of Ukraine's south-east had fallen under the control of Russian forces who together with rebels were staging a counter-offensive.

 

"A counter-offensive by Russian troops and separatist units is continuing in south-east Ukraine," the council said in a post on Twitter.

 

President Petro Poroshenko, in a statement explaining his decision to cancel a visit to Turkey, said: "An invasion of Russian forces has taken place."

 

Russia denies intervening in Ukraine by arming the rebels or sending soldiers across the border. The defense ministry declined to comment on reports of Russian tanks in Novoazovsk.

 

“The Russian authorities clearly said many times there are no regular Russian troops there. Russia is not taking part in this armed conflict,” said a Russian diplomatic source. The latest escalation in the five-month crisis came only two days after the presidents of the two countries held their first talks in more than two months and agreed to work towards launching a peace process.

 

Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseny Yatseniuk appealed to the United States, European Union and G7 countries "to freeze Russian assets and finances until Russia withdraws armed forces, equipment and agents". Rebel advances this week have opened a new front in the conflict just as Ukraine's army appeared to have gained the upper hand, virtually encircling the separatists in their main strongholds of Donetsk and Luhansk.

 

Anton Gerashchenko, an adviser to Ukrainian Interior Minister Arsen Avakov, said on Facebook: "The invasion of Putin’s regular Russian army of Ukraine is now an established fact!"

 

French President Francois Hollande said it would be "intolerable and unacceptable" if it was proved true that Russian troops had entered Ukrainian territory.

So a lot of words all of which were best summarized by Ukraine's Prime Minister in dissolutia, Yatseniuk, who as a reminder does not have an official role any more after the Ukraine government was dissolved (on Twitter) last week:

  • PUTIN STARTED WAR IN EUROPE, UKRAINE’S PREMIER YATSENYUK SAYS

Ok so far so good: accusations, counteraccusations - we are used to that.

But where things once again got surreal, making everyone not only laugh but wonder how the CIA has lost the plotline so badly, was the following "clarification" headline from Reuters, which noticed some rather substantial change in the language on the website of the Ukraine president:

  • CORRECTED-UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT POROSHENKO SAYS RUSSIAN TROOPS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT INTO UKRAINE (NOT 'RUSSIAN MILITARY INVASION HAS TAKEN PLACE') - PRESIDENTIAL WEBSITE

Indeed, instead of explicitly saying a "Russian military invasion has taken place", the website now reads: "I have made a decision to cancel my working visit to the Republic of Turkey due to sharp aggravation of the situation in Donetsk region, particularly in Amvrosiivka and Starobeshevo, as Russian troops were actually brought into Ukraine," the President noted."

For all those wondering if to BTFATH or STFR, please sit tight until Ukraine gets its marching orders from the US State Dept whether to brand the "Russian troops being brought into Ukraine" as an invasion, or merely an accidental crossing, depending on how all of this will impact US strategy in Syria, which all of this is really all about: because remember, if and when the US begins to bomb the Assad regime under the guise it is fighting ISIS, all it will do is greenlight Qatar sending its gas pipeline to Europe... which after all has been the plan all along since 2012.

So stay tuned as this "socially-networked war" comedy unfolds before our eyes.

 

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Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:25 | 5152986 Haus-Targaryen
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Fuck the Ukie "government." 

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:27 | 5152989 ilion
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Eurozone economy will fall again into deep recession. 

http://armadamarkets.blogspot.com/2014/08/ecb-hires-blackrock-for-advice-on-abs.html

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:28 | 5152992 timeless21
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this time for real, right ? 

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:47 | 5153035 max2205
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Don't fuck up my weekend!

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:04 | 5153086 MalteseFalcon
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If the rebels seize Kiev, will Poroshenko hang for war crimes?

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:19 | 5153125 outamyeffinway
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Wolf! Wolf! Wolf!

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:35 | 5153191 GetZeeGold
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The deadline to pick your banker faction is 12 o'clock high today.

 

If you haven't decided by then....we'll choose for you.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:54 | 5153446 gmrpeabody
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Does this mean there was more in those trucks than meds and sacks of flour?

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:02 | 5153476 Ozy_mandias
Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:36 | 5153632 Latina Lover
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The Ukie government today is the same Ukie government that claimed Russia shot down MH17, offering  a doctored You-Tube Video as evidence.  Notice however, how MH17 was memory holed by the Ukies and Western Media after the Russians presented radar records and other evidence showing that MH17 was shadowed by 2 Ukie jets immediately before it was shot down.

Who do you believe now, the Russians or the Ukies?

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 18:56 | 5156212 gmrpeabody
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Well, as opposed to you, I guestion both sources.

Just saying...

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:44 | 5153685 sushi
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If Quatar is planning on a pipeline through Syria to sell its gas to Europe, it woul dnot be a big suprise if Syria ends up with S-300 AA missiles to protect itself from the dangers of an ISIS bombing.

 

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 11:48 | 5153990 conscious being
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Qatar is supposed to have agreed to a pipeline under the Persian Gulf.

Which leaves the more interesting question, how will Israel get it's offshore Leviathin gas thru Syria an Assad?

Why is TD still reporting the old news??

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:43 | 5153411 Idaho potato head
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How long can these fucking lies, covering the sky like a plaque of locusts, be tolerated.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:04 | 5153479 The Blank Stare
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That's my other dog imatation.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:31 | 5153173 CrimsonAvenger
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no, they'll just put him on a stick and dip him in chocolate.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:41 | 5153328 813kml
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Throw on some coconut sprinkles and it'll look just like a tar and feathering.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:44 | 5153413 Idaho potato head
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Count Chocula.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:10 | 5153497 Freddie
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Hopefully all the dual citizens and others involved in the coup will hang. Porky, Yats, Kolomoisky and the other dual citizens.

The Ukrianian conscripts are giving up their equipment and laying down their guns. 

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4046811478707691837&postID=7650...
East Ukraine militias seize large amount of Ukrainian armor

According to the hackers' estimates, defenders of the Luhansk and Donetsk People’s Republics seized 79 T-64 tanks, 94 infantry fighting vehicles, 57 armored personnel carriers and 24 Grad systems

Not just a sharp deterioration of the situation. JUST GRIM in Kiev

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 11:51 | 5154003 conscious being
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VineyardSaker.blog says  unconfirmed reports that the militia is almost to Crimea.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:23 | 5153141 Rakshas
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Dear Kiev,

Have you seen anything that looks like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bWt81vhIyY

No? then fuck off we no invade yet

assholes.

Love Vlad

 

PS did you see what american pansy ass wear on golf course last week??

 

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:24 | 5153143 RaceToTheBottom
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It is only real when photos of Putin leading the troops while sitting bare chested on tanks surface....

 

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:01 | 5153283 shovelhead
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Needs more drama...

Standing grim faced on a tank turret with the Russian flag in one of those 30's poster heroic Soviet poses.

Calling WB7...

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:43 | 5153412 RaceToTheBottom
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Maybe have a bunch of Puntin Mancrush-ites fauning up his legs, as he looks off into the horizon?

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:49 | 5153429 JRobby
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I thought I was invaded

I think someone put something in my drink, then I don't remember anything after that.

About 10 or 11 Long Island Iced Teas.

Not sure

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:21 | 5153543 Dr Strangemember
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Hmmmmm, The Russians...

Carter - Invaded Afghanistan 

Reagan - nothing

Bush - nothing

Clinton - nothing

Bush - nothing

Obimbo de Klown - Annexed Crimea / Ukranian Invasion (with still more to come)

Anyone see the correlation here???????????????????

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:31 | 5153598 john39
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"The Russo-Georgian War (also known as the South Ossetia War, Five-Day War, August War or Russia's invasion of Georgia), a conflict between Georgia and Russia, along with the separatist regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, took place in August 2008."

that would fall within Bush's term, would it not?

btw, even if Russia actually did invade Ukraine, which is at best unclear, it would seem to be a logical and beneficial decision.  The kiev regime is an illegitimate murderous banker slave state.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 12:31 | 5154234 matrix2012
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IF RUS really want to invade Kiev, how long do you folks guess it takes to wipe out all the rats, nazi, fascists, blackwaters/xe/mercenaries/other alien agents in Kiev at most?

My guess most likely it takes just 3X24-hour to wipe out all the pests there!

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:36 | 5153621 RaceToTheBottom
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The correlation being that in each case the US egged the Russians on.

Or was your attempt at a point some Red/Blue nonsense?

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:06 | 5153094 NoPantsSpongeBob
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Don't they know what happens when you cry wolf too many times?

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:17 | 5153334 813kml
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Yes, the IMF writes another check.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:24 | 5153558 Stumpy4516
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The CIA knows what they are doing.  The same thing is done in the US.  Boldly put out a story with firm conclusions, then before those interested in the truth can discredit it they put out a correction, which cuts off those about to call them on their first lie.  Then you have to correct the correction and possibly continue this a few times. 

What happens is that it gets confusing to the masses, those who write the truth get mixed in with all the corrections, soon the sheep simply believe the original story is mostly true.  It surprises me how many sheep believe Russia shot down MH17 with the US trolls/mouthpieces finishing the lie by saying that Russia shot it down but did so due to a mistake (George Washington at ZH for example).  As a compromise the sheep take that explanation and then the msm fades out the story.

In the US the sheep are so programed to believe what "accepted" sources tell them they never think enough to realize they are being systematicly lied to. 

The typical american believes Russia started everything in Ukrain, they are aborbing the lies and getting nervous, in time they will conclude the west must do something to contain the evil Russia and see Russia as the aggressor.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:26 | 5153151 Republi-Ken
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Its the same thing. Corrected diplomatic language. Geezus. Tyler are u stupid.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:54 | 5153753 goldhedge
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Looking at the down arrows.

The NATO MPNet Fags are stronk.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:27 | 5152990 jubber
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so everyone who shorted this news will now get whipsawed out yet again, this is getting fucking tedoius, either invade for fucks sake or fuck off!

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:38 | 5153016 GetZeeGold
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It's called pressure...release, pressure...release, pressure...release.

 

It's a time tested tactic.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:09 | 5153104 NotApplicable
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That's sooooo ratchet.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:07 | 5153301 fockewulf190
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Nurse Ratchet? ; )

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:10 | 5153279 fockewulf190
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ZDF here is currently reporting this story, a relevant portion being this:

http://www.heute.de/separatisten-hunderte-russen-kaempfen-als-freiwillig...

 

Die pro-russischen Separatisten bestätigten, dass Hunderte von Russen an ihrer Seite kämpften, "Wir haben nie ein Hehl daraus gemacht, dass es unter uns viele Russen gibt, ohne deren Hilfe wir es sehr schwer hätten", sagte Separatistenführer Andrej Sachartschenko dem russischen Fernsehsender Rossija-24. "In unseren Reihen hat es etwa 3.000 bis 4.000 gegeben. Viele sind heimgefahren. Viel mehr sind aber geblieben. Leider gab es auch Tote."  Bei den Russen handele es sich ausschließlich um Freiwillige.

Pro russian rebels have confirmed that hundreds of Russians are fighting on their side. "We have never made it a secret, that many Russians are with us, and without them, we would have had a very hard time", said rebel leader Andrej Sachartschenko to russian TV Rossija-24.  "In our unit are between 3000 and 4000.  Many have gone home.  Many more have stayed.  Unfortunately some have died."  The Russians are all volunteers.

"Urlaub an der Front"

"Vacation on the Front"

Unter den Freiwilligen sind laut Sachartschenko viele reguläre russische Soldaten, die ihre Freizeit an der ostukrainischen Front verbringen: "Sie ziehen es vor, ihren Urlaub nicht am Strand, sondern Schulter an Schulter mit ihren Brüdern zu verbringen, die um die Freiheit des Donbass kämpfen." Zudem kämen viele frühere Berufssoldaten aus Russland. "Sie kämpfen mit uns, weil sie dies als ihre Pflicht verstehen."

Among the volunteers, proclaims Sachartschenko, are many regular russian soldiers who are on leave and are spending their time on the eastern Ukrainian front: "They would rather stand shoulder to shoulder with their brothers, and fight for the freedom of Donbass, than spending their time on the beach."  Additionally, many ex-soldiers from Russia have also joined.  "They are also fighting with us because they believe it is their duty to do so."

Die Regierung in Kiew und der Westen werfen Russland seit Beginn des bewaffneten Konflikts vor, dass die Regierung in Moskau den Separatisten militärisch hilft. Der Kreml wies den Vorwurf stets zurück.

The government in Kiev, and the West, have accused Russia since the beginning of the armed confict, that the Russian government in Moscow has been helping the rebels with military support.  The Kremlin has rejected the accusation.

Doch selbst russische Medien hatten zuletzt über geheime Beerdigungen berichtet, bei denen angeblich gefallene russische Soldaten beigesetzt wurden. Zu den Berichten äußerte sich nun erstmals auch der Kreml. "Das benötigt eine ausführliche Prüfung, bevor irgendwelche Schlüsse gezogen werden", sagte Sprecher Dmitri Peskow.

However, even the russian media have recently reported that secret funerals have taken place, and they are believed to have been russian soldiers who have died in battle.  Regarding the news reports, the Kremlin has responded for the first time.  "We need to undertake a complete investigation and avoid any pre-conclusions," said Press secretary Dimitri Peskow.

Ella Poljakowa vom russischen Verband der Soldatenmütter sprach von etwa 100 russischen Soldaten, die in eine Klinik in St. Petersburg gebracht wurden. Wo und wie die Männer verwundet wurden, sei unbekannt, sagte Poljakowa, die dem Kreml-Menschenrechtsrat angehört.

Ella Poljakowa from the russian Mothers of Soldiers organisation, mentioned that close to 100 russian soldiers have been brought to a hospital in St. Petersburg.  Where and how the soldiers were wounded, is unknown, said Poljakowa, who is also a member of the Kremlin´s Human Rights Commission.

 

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:17 | 5153528 JRobby
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Eine halbe Tasse Staubzucker
Ein Viertel Teelöffel Salz
Eine Messerspitze türkisches Haschisch
Ein halbes Pfund Butter
Ein Teelöffel Vanillenzucker
Ein halbes Pfund Mehl
Einhundertfünfzig Gramm gemahlene Nüsse
Ein wenig extra Staubzucker
... und keine Eier

In eine Schüssel geben
Butter einrühren
Gemahlene Nüsse zugeben und
Den Teig verkneten

Augenballgroße Stücke vom Teig formen
Im Staubzucker wälzen und
Sagt die Zauberwörter
Simsalbimbamba Saladu Saladim

Auf ein gefettetes Backblech legen und
Bei zweihundert Grad für fünfzehn Minuten backen und
KEINE EIER

Bei zweihundert Grad für fünfzehn Minuten backen und
Keine Eier ..

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:30 | 5153587 Haus-Targaryen
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What in the actual fuck? 

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:55 | 5153758 JRobby
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Half a cup of powdered sugar
One quarter teaspoo salt
One knifetip Turkish hash
Half a pound butter
One teaspoon vanilla-sugar
Half a pound flour
150 g ground nuts
A little extra powdered sugar
... and no eggs

Place in a bowl
Add butter
Add the ground nuts and
Knead the dough

Form eyeball-size pieces from the dough
Roll in the powdered sugar
and say the Magic Words:
"Sim sala bim bamba sala do saladim"

Place on a greased baking pan and
Bake at 200 degrees for 15 minutes
...AND NO EGGS

Bake at 200 degrees for 15 minutes
...and no eggs.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 11:51 | 5153929 swmnguy
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So a sort of Turkish Hash shortbread cookie.  Like those Girl Scout Trefoiils, but much more interesting for a much longer time.

We should have more recipe-swaps on ZH.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:51 | 5153438 JRobby
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It works in musical perormance and sex.

In most other applications it is a form of lying.

 

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:03 | 5153087 PeeramidIdeologies
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WTF would anyone be shorting anything from the news? If you must, fade the solution not the problem.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:21 | 5153133 XuscitizenSweden
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Hejsan jubber, Hälsningar från Sverige!....Greetings from Sweden!

Yepp, things are definitely getting 'HOT'.

I live in Enköping, Sweden.....&.....the NBF-Nordic Battalion Force(nato-pfp) is shooting like crazy heavy machine-gun fire for the past 1 hour. They almost never do that....

Enköping, also home for the Swedish IT-Cyber Command, where Julian Assange got 'screwed' a few years ago. NBF is a baltic-type command center for the balts in nato.

I love my adopted home country Sweden. I've lived here for over 30 years now. Stupid right-wing gov't is suppose to meet today &....... give nato an 'all-access' /carte blanche. TERRIBLE. Now Sweden is a 1st Strike Target. Finland decided to do the samething a few days ago......

CARDIFF-NATO meeting Preparations.

Elections in 2½ weeks. btw our FM Bildt is an assest for the yanks since the 70's:  http://www.svt.se/bildt--excellensen/carl-bildts-relation-till-usa-har-ar-dokumenten

Click on *Relaterat * at the left and look at the declassified american documents. 1 word, traitor. The MIC buys and sells for profit. Weak individuals sell themselves for power & fortune.......get all of that fra,nsa, fsa....

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:27 | 5152991 kowalli
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Seems Ukrainians ashamed that rebels defeated their army...

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:28 | 5152993 JulienFR
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But we are not Friday !

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:29 | 5152995 hairInTheSoup
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"please wait until Ukraine gets its marching orders from the US State Dept"

 

the puppet master is more likely the imf (us state whatever being just more puppets)

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:40 | 5153021 Bossman1967
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funny how Russia being blamed for invasion and hacking into USSA financials the day after the stopping the use of petro dollar hmmm . rotflmao politics

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 13:00 | 5154461 hairInTheSoup
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"after the stopping the use of petro dollar" which is a fuck off to the int'l banksters of the fed & the imf

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:29 | 5152996 RisingSun
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http://echo.msk.ru/blog/novaya_gazeta/1387510-echo/

http://inforesist.org/unichtozhennaya-kolonna-boevikov-s-rf-foto-18/ (NSFW pics of dead Russian soldiers in Ukraine)

http://tvrain.ru/articles/komitet_soldatskih_materej_sostavil_spisok_iz_... (400 Russian dead soldiers and what they mothers are saying)

 

Here are some of the dead Russian "soldiers"/invaders. Their mothers can not understand how they ended up in Ukraine. Their vkontakte pages(Russian facebook) pages are suddenly deleted.  Echo Moscow along with Dozdj TV(????? TV) are the only 2 opposition(politicans that are against the fascist Medvedev/Putin duo for decades to come) news agencies to mainstream Kremlin control TV channels in Russia.

 

In Kharkiv(largest Russian speaking city in Donbass) a provocator from Moscow raised Russian flag on Kharkov Administration building, but thats all the managed to do in Kharkov. No one is attacking Russians there, no banderas running wild, no bombings. Donetsk, Slovyansk and Lugansk were not as lucky and Russian citizens such as Strelkov, Babaj and others took over the city. How many banderas are now attacking Russians in Slovyansk or bombing their cities now that Russian citizen Strelkov and his buddies are gone? None. But Kremlin TV doesnt report on that, neither does Zerohedge...

 

I hope they are burning in hell along with their buddies Stalin, Lenin if they went willingly to fight Ukrainian soldiers.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:30 | 5153001 Haus-Targaryen
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If they are in hell, they are right beside the Maidan protestors.  

Oh yeah, and the Ukie soldiers who have found it fun to bomb civilian population centers -- there is a special place in Hell for them.   

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:38 | 5153006 timeless21
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RT rat

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:45 | 5153031 Haus-Targaryen
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Brussels Propagandist.  

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:48 | 5153039 GetZeeGold
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We have a method of solving this here at FIghtclub.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:52 | 5153056 Haus-Targaryen
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Meh -- 

All we need to be here is patient.  Its only a matter of time before the whole EU comes apart due to financial imbalances.  At this point Russia will make its move as any mass panic in the EMZ will bleed over into the US.  

Patience, and all these blearly eyed trolls among us -- if they want to put their money where their mouth is -- volenteer to be on the front lines.   

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 14:36 | 5154401 matrix2012
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Haus, care not the miniscule trolls, they've come to the wrong venue, ZH definitely is not their fertile land :-) lol

they should've instead crowded at around the giant armies of the Ministry of Truth!

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:36 | 5153009 RisingSun
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If it was not for Russian citizens such as Strelkov, there would be no need to bomb building in those cities, those Russian seperatists are cowards, hiding in buildings and then crying to their Russian TV agencies on how Ukraine is attacking them. Can you tell me why no one is attacking THE LARGEST Russian CITY in Ukraine, Kharkov? No bombings, no banderas and provocators were kicked out the first day from there after they raised Russian flag on Kharkov administration building. No bombings and banderas in Slovyansk,Marioupol now that Strelkov is gone also...

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:38 | 5153015 Infinite QE
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Bolshevik agent in our midst:

 

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Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:41 | 5153019 RisingSun
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Infinite QE, anything I said is wrong? Bombings going on or banderas running wild in Kharkov, the largest Russian speaking city in Ukraine? 

Also tell that those Russian soldiers mothers (400+) whos sons were killed in Ukraine.  Why no Zerohedge or RT article posted here on that? Doesnt fit the anti-Ukraine propoganda on here or what? Cant get any more real when soliders mother is saying that imo.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:43 | 5153026 Infinite QE
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Go watch the film Wag the Dog.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:46 | 5153034 timeless21
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RisingSunThis is not the right place to explain something to someone, most here are muppets just trolling around or sitting safe in 'Merika.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:50 | 5153049 Haus-Targaryen
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Another Brussels-paid troll.  My guess is some blearly-eyed Labour voter using the summer break to get "European Union" on their resume.  They told they would change things, and all in all they are living on their parents money renting a WG in Brussels -- puts on their business casual every day to troll people online.   Relationships
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Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:52 | 5153057 timeless21
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LOL, whatever man, what a retard fella..

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:10 | 5153069 Haus-Targaryen
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I get my bonus in November.  I am going to try and become a cite sponser and get access to IP addresses on the forums.  I would plaster your Brussels 172.62 bullshit all over ZH.  I'd give it 10 minutes before you're DDoS'ed into oblivion. 

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:54 | 5153452 JRobby
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Aristotle was not Belgian

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:51 | 5153052 RisingSun
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Seems like it, most of them just spew out whatever garbage RT is giving them today. I dont think any of them can say what I wrote above is wrong. Problem is many of them dont read Russian, thats why they fail the see the reality why so many people in Donbass(!) including Kharkov who are Russians are fighting against the seperatists. But whatever, seems like a waste of time to discuss with Kremlin TV zombies as they just write bullshit with no real substance in replies.

Would be nice to see Zerohedge to post the story about 400+ dead Russian soldiers who were killed in Ukraine and what their mothers are saying, but I wont get my hopes up for any objective reporting on this website.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:54 | 5153063 Haus-Targaryen
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Meh, where was the BBC's articles about the $6B USD given to the MAiden protesters.  

Or what about a NYT article discussing hte various adjective choices for the EXAMT SAME PEOPLE at different stages in teh conflict?  What about the article in Der Spiegel of the over 2,000 civilians killed in the East, or the 350 PEOPLE LOCKED INSIDE THE WORKERS UNION BUILDING IN ODESSA which was light on fire, and anyone who jumped out was shot!?  

 

Where were those articles you horrid excuse for a human being.   

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:01 | 5153075 RisingSun
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What about when those who were hiding in that building AFTER attacking "Ultras/Football fans" who were marching in the support of United Ukraine in Odessa. They shot them WITH GUNS(yes there are videos of that) 2 of those Ultras, this is what set it off. Of course that was not excuse to set that building on fire. But at the heat of the moment, when your buddies are shot by the Russian provocators they probably were not thinking straight.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:03 | 5153083 Haus-Targaryen
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So lock people in a building, light it on fire, and execute the people who try to escape.  

Definitely a heat of the moment kinda thing.  

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:04 | 5153089 RisingSun
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBZcGAS20Uk  Pro russian activist shooting people with Kalashnikovs in Odessa 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6Uf1QByQkw  Pro russian activist shooting people in Odessa x2

There are more videos from that day.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:15 | 5153117 RisingSun
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I already said, IT WAS WRONG TO DO THAT and it was a tragic event, no question about that. But you have to also look at what/who started it. Do you know what started WW1? Archduke Franz Ferdinand assasination pretty much started the WW1. Was that justified? No, but that was the reason for it.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:18 | 5153123 Haus-Targaryen
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I would venture to say it was the Serbs not going along with Austria/Hungary's demands after the Archduke's assasination.  Thereafter I place the blame solely on the idiot French and British for declaring war on the Germans after Austria/Hungary declared war on them.  

 

 

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:29 | 5153168 TheFourthStooge-ing
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RisingSun, spreading more drivel lies, said:

What about when those who were hiding in that building AFTER attacking "Ultras/Football fans" who were marching in the support of United Ukraine in Odessa. They shot them WITH GUNS(yes there are videos of that) 2 of those Ultras, this is what set it off.

Yes, there are videos of that. Watch for the guys with the red armbands. You do know about the guys with the red armbands, don't you?

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/05/08/false-flag-in-odessa/

http://www.globalresearch.ca/bloodbath-in-odessa-guided-by-interim-ruler...

But at the heat of the moment, when your buddies are shot by Kolomoisky's goons that were pretending to be pro-Russian provocators they probably were not thinking straight.

Fixed it for you.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:44 | 5153238 RisingSun
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If you and your pro-Russian sources say so it must be right! 1st link original source: Source in Russian: Antifascist.

What about this:

http://www.stopfake.org/en/fake-nationalists-prevented-paramedic-from-sa... "Fake: Nationalists Prevented Paramedic from Saving a Wounded"

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:39 | 5153395 loonyleft
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upvoted. I don't agree with you, but at least you try to make a good argument. If you aren't a shill, then you can easily see why people are confused with all the disinformation going around. 

At some point though someone has to stop killing innocent or unarmed people because of some previous transgression. That's better left to the Pros (Israel)

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:05 | 5153294 Kamath
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RisingSun is probably a Ukrainian Nazi trolls, spreading obvious Nazi propaganda.

The attack in Odessa was carried out by Right Sector Nazi thugs, many of whom have been identified and one of them even killed afterwards. The thugs came to Odessa from Kiev and other Nazi infested cities in other parts of Ukraine. The victims of the Odessa attacks were mostly young socialists from the Borotba movement. The Nazis even had their own operatives false-flag attack them, to make it look like they were first attacked.

BTW, Kharkov is not part of Donbass, and actually, what's starting to happen there and in other cities as well, is a dramatic rise in partisan assaults on Ukraine Nazi army units. The whole Nazi "government" there is going down in flames.

This is easily and objectively verifiable through simple search engine exercises. Failure to admit to this (refering to the Odessa incident) will result in you going to Hell at time of death. It just cannot be debated.

Thank you in advance for your time and understanding.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:12 | 5153315 RisingSun
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Whatever you say buddy, if that helps you sleep at night after watching Kremlin TV propoganda ;)

 

Largest internet forum in Kharkov: Kharkov forum (high traffic site, around 100th most visited site in Ukraine) disagrees with you: http://www.kharkovforum.com/ Use google translate and read what Kharkovians are saying. 

 

http://www.kharkovforum.com/showthread.php?t=3874560

http://www.kharkovforum.com/showthread.php?t=3744123

http://www.kharkovforum.com/showthread.php?t=3618147

http://www.kharkovforum.com/showthread.php?t=3739638

http://www.kharkovforum.com/showthread.php?t=3683154

etc.

 

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:47 | 5153037 Haus-Targaryen
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Are you equally as outraged for the parents of people killed in the Maidan, a coup de etat promulgated by CFR, the EU and the US?  My guess is no.  

See, you call the soldiers there horrible things, but "oh their poor mothers."
 
You fool -- you always chose the pro-Kiew side of the argument -- every time.  

 

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 12:16 | 5154121 Freddie
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Go have some of Porky's zio-candy.  Maybe you Ukies will wake up and realize the criminals in Kiev are your real problem.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:49 | 5153024 GetZeeGold
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Shout out to our KGB homeboys......you know who you are.

 

The good news is I think we've got some Obama operators that are about ready to defect.....something about moving to Siberia and driving a pickup truck.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:43 | 5153027 basho
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'Can you tell me why no one is attacking THE LARGEST Russian CITY in Ukraine, Kharkov?'

soon. :)

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:45 | 5153029 Haus-Targaryen
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Moron translation for everyone on here; 

"If not for a group of civilians who have kicked the shit out of a nation's military, said military wouldn't have to bomb old people and little kids."  

Gas yourself you worthless piece of shit.  

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:55 | 5153064 Infinite QE
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Well said. Give him hell today. Busy morning myself so have at the Bolshie agents.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:34 | 5153007 Infinite QE
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I think you are confused. Stalin, Lenin, ugh, the bolsheviks you are referring to here, their descendants are the ones running the show in Kiev. Fact.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:54 | 5153062 Wahooo
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If they're burning in hell, it's alongside America's "Greatest" Generation.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:34 | 5153184 pazmaker
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You had me until the last sentence.(although you did say if they went willingly) Russian Soldiers are in Ukraine assisting the the "seperatist" for sure, however most foot soldiers are just pawns and the great evil lies with their leaders.

I don't see a good guy in this conflict.  All the Putin lovers on here thing the man shits ice cream and on the other hand this Kiev crowd is nothing but puppets for the West (Europe and USA) if you recall  Yanukovych had agreed to early elections and agreed to a peaceful process, then the CIA back crowd formed a coup and overthrew Yanukovych through violence and disorder, thus basically backing the pro-russian crowd in to a corner and giving Putin the cover to come to the rescue.

 

As in all wars this is a power struggle between evil rich egotistical leaders, who send out the poor the common man to fight and die for them, same as it ever was.

And they slaughter civilians women and children along the way and call those innocents(collateral damage)...how grotesque that any human child's life becomes nothing but a statistic...for that matter any human being's life.....so before we start hoping people are burning hell look at the bigger picture. 

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:57 | 5153767 RallyRoundTheFamily
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Someone gets it  +1

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 12:20 | 5154149 Freddie
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No we see the scum in Kiev like Yats, Porky, Yulia, Nudelman, Soros and the others who looted the Ukraine's gold.  Have conscripted their Ukie men to fight a war they do not want to fight against their brothers. 

The leadership in Kiev are scum and dual-citizens like Nuland.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:30 | 5152998 Infinite QE
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There seems to be something seriously wrong occurring in the programming of the zioqueer overlords. Their narrative is spinning completely out of control and all of their ops seem to be unraveling at breathtaking speed. Maybe they have, hopefully some sort of self-destruct mechanism programmed in that will save our species from their insanity.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:31 | 5153000 anonum
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Here in teeny-weeny Finland, a russian aircraft has offended country's airspace for third time in the same week already. The frequency of these airspace offensions has increased rapidly lately. Latest incident coincides with Finland's defence minister (who is of swedish origin by name) signing a NATO partnership contract.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:46 | 5153033 RisingSun
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In my even more Tweeny Weeny Latvia, we got these Russian aircrafts invading our airspace almost on a weekly basis. They just dont get it, they(Russians) are not welcome here and should stay in their own boarders, hard thing to do seems like, since they seem be "accidentally" visiting Ukraine on a daily basis.

 

Btw, Simo Häyhä was a great man, he alone killed 505 soviet soldiers in the Winter War in 1939-1940.  

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:02 | 5153078 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Good morning viedorkolis.... oops, I mean RisingSun.

Is sock puppetry a national pastime in Latvia, or is it just something used to keep the retards busy?

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 11:02 | 5153792 RallyRoundTheFamily
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lol  https://twitter.com/Viedoklis_lv

makes sense now

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:40 | 5153400 zzzddd1
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Here comes the confession: RisingSun: latvian ZioNazi!!!

 

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:49 | 5153048 ross81
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Finland joining NATO would be a hostile act against Russia, dont even try and deny it. I love how this new partnership promises NATO troops being deployed into Finland the event of "emergency" situations. So now, what constitutes an emergency?

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:53 | 5153058 anonum
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My personal understanding of the matter is that Finland's partnership deal with NATO won't help Finland one bit in case shit gets real. It just serves our swedish (and their american) overlords in polarizing the situation in Scandinavia region as well.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 12:22 | 5154165 Freddie
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Zato is a force of evil now run by dual citizens.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:55 | 5153066 RisingSun
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So Finland should contact Russia and get their permission to do anything? If they want to join Nato its their choice. We (Baltic States) joined nato and Russians can turn lobster red if they want to, nothing they can do about it. 

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:01 | 5153074 Irishcyclist
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Finland, Latvia, etc really should take an independent and neutral line.

Joining NATO is not a good move.

If a confrontation with Russia materialises, NATO members bordering Russia will be not be protected.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:05 | 5153091 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Yep, the only thing the Baltic nations have done by joining NATO is to paint a big target on themselves. In any real conflict, the US will throw them under the bus and abandon them to their fate.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:12 | 5153110 Irishcyclist
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Agreed. I thought that the Baltic nations had more wisdom rather than to join NATO. 

 

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:28 | 5153159 RisingSun
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After 50 years of humiliation under Soviet rule, NATO is pretty much the only thing that keeps us out of "Latvian people's republic" led by the likes of Russian citizens such as Strelkov. Even if its only on paper. Thing is Finland doesnt have a large 5th Column, we still got those soviet occupants. Their loyality is not with Latvia, but with Russia. Good thing that the soviet generation is replaced by more loyal younger generation who can actually speak my language unlike their parents who still cant speak my language after 50+ years and choose to not become citizens, because that would require them to learn our language and history.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:37 | 5153200 Irishcyclist
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The Baltic nations should remain neutral. That would be the wise thing to do.

Joining NATO is no guarantee of protection in to the future. Joining NATO makes a target of each Baltic nation that joins NATO. 

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:44 | 5153416 zzzddd1
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What 50 years.

You Baltics were under Russia 300 years, since tzar Peter1 bought you as slaves from Swedish king.

What 50 years are you talking Nazi Troll?

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:54 | 5153453 RisingSun
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Soviet Occupation you retard. Go back and crawl back under your rock and hug a matryoshka. If you know our history that well then you should understand why Nato is so important to us, even if only on paper.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:47 | 5153710 viedoklis_lv
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Previously we where neutral that ended up with 50 years of living under USSR occupation.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 13:36 | 5154528 matrix2012
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For sure those ZATO tiny slave border lands will be the very first batch to go.

I have my pity upon the ordinary folks there, they become the victims of their bought-up polity-rats!

 

I wrote last week in other thread -  5130089

The Baltic countries are just the tiny spots on the borders of the giant Russia, in terms of the every aspect that matters include but not limited to the land masses and populations.

Lithuania has 3.001 millions, Latvia 2.036 millions and Estonia 1.283 millions...altogether less than 6.4 mils vs. 142.5 mils of the Russian Federation.

It's very UNWISE and thoughtless for the little men to antagonize their way much bigger neighbor. Those tiny states can try to alter every aspect of their countries but not their neighbor!

My very suggestion to the Baltic folks, try at best to be good and well behaved neighbors to your doorstep giant, and pay the duly respect to their size and strength!

 

++ Same case and suggestion to the Finns (about 5.448 mils); it's a fatal blunder to abandon its neutrality! It won't get anything but will pay everything one day...

 

Let me tell the folks there once again in simple words, in real life, size means strength and it does matter! :-)

 

 

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:07 | 5153097 25or6to4
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Anonum
The US and NATO won't give a hoot if Finland or any Baltic nation ever gets invaded by Rissia. They will have much bigger task of protecting Poland and central Europe if that's ever the case. You guys are better off stocking up on ammo and finding alternative energy sources other than Gazprom. Joining NATO would just irritate Russia at this point. I don't think those An-72s are any big threat to Finland. By the way, Haglund ( defense minister) is a shoe in as a member of the 80s group DEVO.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 11:23 | 5153895 RallyRoundTheFamily
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Should I try to do some more?

Its 25or6to4

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 12:40 | 5154312 25or6to4
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Just sit cross- legged on the floor

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:36 | 5153010 Kawaii Empress ...
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Yat the rat must have been informed that by declaring war on Russia, Russia becomes proper involved, like Iskanders, Kamovs, Mis, Migs, Sukhois the whole shebangabang.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:36 | 5153011 Sudden Debt
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Oh well, panic in Europe is really setting in business wise.

August is a traumaticly bad month with unseen drops in sales in about every sector.

Give it 1 to 2 more months and we'll be talking about a massive depression in Europe.

Everything is just grinding to a halt and vacation is over for most sectors already 2 weeks ago and we missed the automatic restart of all those businesses.

It's getting bad and it's becomming noticeable...

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:49 | 5153051 Irishcyclist
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Welcome to the Periphery. Personally I'm delighted that the likes of Germany and France are starting to feel the economic chill which many of us in the Periphery have had to live with since 2008.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:55 | 5153065 blabam
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And you guys did fuck all about it....

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:02 | 5153077 GetZeeGold
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Welcome to the Periphery

 

Thanks.....I'm planning on staying for a while. Where do I sign up for my pension and sharia law?

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:07 | 5153096 Haus-Targaryen
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Good times.  

The EMZ will unveil *MASSIVE* ABS purchases Q4 of this year or Q1 of next year if things continue to deteoriate.  Expect a 2005/2006 Spanish housing bubble to get blown across the entire continent.  Will keep things going for a few more years, reduce pressure on the currency, and because those in the Periphery are too stupid to save money in things other than new BMWs and Mittelmeer Conds -- all that money floats back to Germany.  Expect negative 30 year yields, and the Germany government to start rolling over high yielding debt like a motherfucker.   30 years at -4 bPS.  WHY THE FUCK NOT!?

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:42 | 5153228 schadenfreude
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Expected volume of ABS is around Euros 500bn. Not going to last for years to come.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:43 | 5153233 Irishcyclist
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Property bubble is well in progress across Germany. Welcome to the Periphery.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:08 | 5153101 Irishcyclist
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We did fuck all except repay all the (German, British. American) bondholders, thanks to bought and paid for Irish politicians.

Delighted that the Germans are starting to feel the economic chill. Welcome to the periphery.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:38 | 5153207 RaceToTheBottom
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Should have gone Icelandic.  Hopefully more will in the upcoming crash.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:53 | 5153262 blabam
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So what did you do against your politicos? Nothing. 

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 09:40 | 5153394 RaceToTheBottom
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Nope we were probably worse. Plus if you listen to our mass media, no one even makes the connections about just what has happened to this country in the last ten to thirty years.

We are WS slaves

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 12:24 | 5154191 Freddie
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Clare Daly tried.  Most of the rest of the Irish suck up to that tax cheat Bono and Bill Clinton

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsmcFfvWTCM

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:08 | 5153100 Haus-Targaryen
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I was in your country last weekend.  

The worst roads I have seen in all of Europe -- apart from your Autobahn.  I sure bet the Flemmish and German/Belgian minorities with they could give the French part back to France at this point in time.  

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 13:55 | 5154779 matrix2012
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Exactly! One of the fundamental problems is the unsecured feelings among the consumers in Europe about the future.

"What is wrong with the European consumers?

If you look at any unofficial inflation data then you will discover that inflation in Eurozone is much higher than you get to read from the official statistics. Add to this the negative real salary growth and you kind of get the feeling that consumers are not feeling very optimistic about the future. They know that prices will tend to move higher whereas their salaries have not been raised that much. So, consumers look to cut back on their spending. The want to save.

The reason why real inflation is high is due to the aggressive liquidity boosts coupled with ZIRP (NIRP in Eurozone) that most G7 central banks have engaged with since 2008. This liquidity has found its way to stock market, commodities market and in turn to products in our refrigirators. It has paralyzed the consumer as this liquidity boost has not boosted their real incomes.

Will the purchasing of ABS work?

Unfortunately, we think that it will not work because the Eurozone companies do not require additional financing at circumstances which we have explained. The companies need the end demand to pick up. But for that we need a stable socio-economic and political situation in Eurozone and around.

Post 2008 crisis a lot of issues that needed to be resolved are still unsolved. Some of these issues are here:

 

  • Most Eurozone governments still run large budget deficits as limited efforts have been taken to improve government efficencies and budget structures
  • Eurozone debt/GDP figures haven't improved - they have become worse which has worsened also future borrowing capacity of most countries
  • Banks haven't been recapitalized and zombie banks still exist

 

Russian sanctions

Recent Russian sanctions to ban imports of certain agricultural products from European Union will have a severe impact on European agricultural industry. For the European consumers it will at first be quite pleasant - products unsold to Russia will oversupply the local market and will lower the food prices. It will generate a certain feeling of relief among working class members of the society which make up majority of the population.

The lower food prices and overcapacity will ultimately start bankrupting European agricultural and food processing industry and will drastically lower supply. Once the reduction in supply will take its course we will have a massive inflationary pressure which will at the same time lower the purchasing power of majority of Europeans. Lower purchasing power will ultimately start to affect other industries and Europe will fall into another severe economic crisis.

We hope that these scenarios will not take place although we admit that this would be a bit naive.

[...]

Read on here.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:37 | 5153013 SickDollar
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something does not add up, I know for a fact that Putin is a Freemason. Is he really combating Zionest or is this just part of the plan  ???

I feel like the world is  going towards " Hunger games" state

 

 

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:12 | 5153109 Lea
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"I know for a fact that Putin is a Freemason".

So much garbage has been spewed about Putin you do not know anything "for a fact".

 

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:56 | 5153268 SickDollar
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hey coochie stick to the kitchen and let men be men

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:16 | 5153526 shovelhead
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Thu, 08/28/2014 - 10:22 | 5153547 Sandmann
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Doubtful Putin is a Freemason........

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 14:37 | 5154835 matrix2012
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Sick$, you're indeed sick of having too much programming from the Ministry of Truth! 

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:40 | 5153018 McNoob
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No matter what happens. THE SPICE MUST FLOW.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:42 | 5153025 suteibu
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It seems the propaganda war has a new front here in the comment section.  Hypocrisy reigns supreme.  Too bad it's only a virtual fight club.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:48 | 5153028 One And Only
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Russia is just conducting routine military exercises and a few units have accidentally lost their maps. 

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:48 | 5153041 Shrapnel
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Bad puppet Gov't, BAD!

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:50 | 5153047 JuliaS
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Russian troops invaded Ukraine, I mean Russian troops were brought into Ukraine, I mean Russian troops brought aid into Ukraine. I mean, Russians brought humanitarian aid. I mean Ukraine destroyed Russian aid convoy. I mean convoy wasn't there in first place. I mean it then was, but then again was not, because it's left. I mean it didn't leave but was successfully destroyed by Ukraine. And by convoy I mean plane. A Malaysian plane. And it had a black box containing proof of Russian fault, and by having it, I mean it actually did not.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:10 | 5153105 TheFourthStooge-ing
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...I mean, Russian troops watched a television documentary on Ukraine.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:16 | 5153120 JuliaS
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Favourite opener: This film is based on actual events taken from other movies.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 08:37 | 5153208 IridiumRebel
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that sounds about right

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 14:14 | 5154885 matrix2012
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JuliaS, I really wonder whether Orwell had categorized this kind of Speak in his last work, the "Nineteen Eighty-Four"?  if so, which one?

it's a real question

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:55 | 5153055 JuliaS
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Duplicate comment. Sorry.

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:58 | 5153068 AdvancingTime
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At this point Putin holds all the cards, this will become more obvious as winter nears and events unfold.  It seems both Russia and many of the separatist in Eastern Ukraine would support federalization. Surely, no reason exist for Kiev to be opposed other than a loss of power. A more federalized government is also the most plausible way of keeping Ukraine intact.

Support for sanctions is mixed in Europe as some countries fear Russia and have an ax to grind with Putin while others wish to move forward. Saber rattling has only lead to death and destruction.  As I see it little good will come from further bloodshed and it is time for the West to stop sending money to Kiev so they can ramp up the violence and continue the civil war. More on the progress being made in the article below.

http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/08/eu-moving-towards-deal-on-ukraine...

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:58 | 5153070 Reptil
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If our demands are not met… We'll be forced to withdraw our battalions from the frontline… And launch a march onto Kiev to carry out speedy reforms in the interior ministry.
Dmitry Yarosh (Pravy Sektor - Right Sector)

Yarosh… with your bragging, you've deceived people whom you led into illegal armed units. You are turning the people who believed you into cannon fodder.
Arsen Avakov (Ukraine Minister of Internal Affars)

source: RT

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:57 | 5153071 craus
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I wonder if Obama is still spanking his monkey whilst staring at Bush's painting of Putin?

Thu, 08/28/2014 - 07:58 | 5153072 IridiumRebel
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It's like a divorce....

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