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Rand Paul Slams US Interventionists' "Unhinged Foreign Policy" For Abetting The Rise Of ISIS

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Authored by Dr. Rand Paul, originally posted at The Wall Street Journal,

As the murderous, terrorist Islamic State continues to threaten Iraq, the region and potentially the United States, it is vitally important that we examine how this problem arose. Any actions we take today must be informed by what we've already done in the past, and how effective our actions have been.

Shooting first and asking questions later has never been a good foreign policy. The past year has been a perfect example.

In September President Obama and many in Washington were eager for a U.S. intervention in Syria to assist the rebel groups fighting President Bashar Assad's government. Arguing against military strikes, I wrote that "Bashar Assad is clearly not an American ally. But does his ouster encourage stability in the Middle East, or would his ouster actually encourage instability?"

The administration's goal has been to degrade Assad's power, forcing him to negotiate with the rebels. But degrading Assad's military capacity also degrades his ability to fend off the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham. Assad's government recently bombed the self-proclaimed capital of ISIS in Raqqa, Syria.

To interventionists like former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, we would caution that arming the Islamic rebels in Syria created a haven for the Islamic State. We are lucky Mrs. Clinton didn't get her way and the Obama administration did not bring about regime change in Syria. That new regime might well be ISIS.

This is not to say the U.S. should ally with Assad. But we should recognize how regime change in Syria could have helped and emboldened the Islamic State, and recognize that those now calling for war against ISIS are still calling for arms to factions allied with ISIS in the Syrian civil war. We should realize that the interventionists are calling for Islamic rebels to win in Syria and for the same Islamic rebels to lose in Iraq. While no one in the West supports Assad, replacing him with ISIS would be a disaster.

Our Middle Eastern policy is unhinged, flailing about to see who to act against next, with little thought to the consequences. This is not a foreign policy.

Those who say we should have done more to arm the Syrian rebel groups have it backward. Mrs. Clinton was also eager to shoot first in Syria before asking some important questions. Her successor John Kerry was no better, calling the failure to strike Syria a "Munich moment."

Some now speculate Mr. Kerry and the administration might have to walk back or at least mute their critiques of Assad in the interest of defeating the Islamic State.

A reasonable degree of foresight should be a prerequisite for holding high office. So should basic hindsight. This administration has neither.

But the same is true of hawkish members of my own party. Some said it would be "catastrophic" if we failed to strike Syria. What they were advocating for then—striking down Assad's regime—would have made our current situation even worse, as it would have eliminated the only regional counterweight to the ISIS threat.

Our so-called foreign policy experts are failing us miserably. The Obama administration's feckless veering is making it worse. It seems the only thing both sides of this flawed debate agree on is that "something" must be done. It is the only thing they ever agree on.

But the problem is, we did do something. We aided those who've contributed to the rise of the Islamic State. The CIA delivered arms and other equipment to Syrian rebels, strengthening the side of the ISIS jihadists. Some even traveled to Syria from America to give moral and material support to these rebels even though there had been multiple reports some were allied with al Qaeda.

Patrick Cockburn, Middle East correspondent for the London newspaper, the Independent, recently reported something disturbing about these rebel groups in Syria. In his new book, "The Jihadis Return: ISIS and the New Sunni Uprising," Mr. Cockburn writes that he traveled to southeast Turkey earlier in the year where "a source told me that 'without exception' they all expressed enthusiasm for the 9/11 attacks and hoped the same thing would happen in Europe as well as the U.S." It's safe to say these rebels are probably not friends of the United States.

"If American interests are at stake," I said in September, "then it is incumbent upon those advocating for military action to convince Congress and the American people of that threat. Too often, the debate begins and ends with an assertion that our national interest is at stake without any evidence of that assertion. The burden of proof lies with those who wish to engage in war."

Those wanting a U.S. war in Syria could not clearly show a U.S. national interest then, and they have been proven foolish now. A more realistic foreign policy would recognize that there are evil people and tyrannical regimes in this world, but also that America cannot police or solve every problem across the globe. Only after recognizing the practical limits of our foreign policy can we pursue policies that are in the best interest of the U.S.

The Islamic State represents a threat that should be taken seriously. But we should also recall how recent foreign-policy decisions have helped these extremists so that we don't make the same mistake of potentially aiding our enemies again.

 

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Fri, 08/29/2014 - 14:47 | 5159717 Duffy
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I know an unhinged portion of our foreign policy he won't slam...

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/rania-khalek/israels-extermination-w...

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 14:49 | 5159729 froze25
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Go, Rand 2016

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 14:51 | 5159743 Pinto Currency
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Ron is a Ferrari.

Rand is a Yugo.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 14:56 | 5159761 JLee2027
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You said it.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:21 | 5159855 SuperRay
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Ron, unfortunately, is done.

Rand, on the other hand, may develop cancer, a la Chavez...

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:36 | 5159926 buyingsterling
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'Rand is a Yugo'

Since we're clomping along now on bloody stumps, I'll take the ride.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:38 | 5159935 Pinto Currency
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Without an engine.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:59 | 5160021 Slave
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Uh oh!!!!!1 Rand is a muslim lover!!1 Where are you nmewn?? I know you love Rand, do you hate him now??

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 17:24 | 5160316 TheSecondLaw
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Don't forget...he too, is a politican.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 19:03 | 5160675 Drunk In Church
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First, he wants to defund Israel.  Now he wants to give them mega-bucks.  I have no idea where Rand stands.  He's always blowing in the wind.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 19:36 | 5160773 buyingsterling
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You can't get elected by republicans if you don't defend Israel. With the new media exposing Israel's excesses, that will change in time. For now, Paul proves he's not an idiot by supporting Israel.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 17:54 | 5160380 Harbanger
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Yeah really!  These pretentious bitchez expect a Ferrari and right now they're taking the bus.  We have bathhouse Barry, for heavens sake.   I know, They're all the same.  But I'll take Rand Paul over a Hitlery or Pocohontas ANY DAY.

-on second thought.  Considering the alternatives to Rand Paul.  These RP Haters are just closet Democrats.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 19:59 | 5160832 gallistic
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You are a partisan hack.

You are a huge part of the problem.

You are not part of the solution.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 21:57 | 5161211 Harbanger
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What are you mister unbiased liberal?  Don't you agree with one candidates beliefs over the other? of course you do.  You're a full of shit, Otherwise you wouldn't take offense to my comment.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 03:27 | 5161803 StychoKiller
Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:17 | 5159839 Greenskeeper_Carl
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Yep. Sorry rand, you lost me with your flip flop on foreign aid when you sponsored a bill giving another half a billion tax payer dollars to Israel. You had it right the first time. You may have regained the favor of the war party republicans, but you lost a lot of your dad's supporters. And the Republican Party will NEVER win another national election without us. You would think they would have learned that after the last 2 elections.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 19:44 | 5160801 buyingsterling
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It probably doesn't matter anyway (we're fucked) but do you really want to make your litmus test something that is not going to happen anyway? I can see if he did the same thing in reverse on the border - argued for a fence (something that's already law) then backed off. But retreating from something currently unattainable? I guess we'll all enjoy 8 more years of demonrat demagoguery. And while you're enjoying that it, chant this repeatedly, "I will make the perfect the enemy of the good", over and over... never mind, I see you've already adopted that approach.

We still have the chance to get bloodied down the road. As long as things are still hanging together (and giving all of us time to educate and prepare) now there ought to be a premium placed on pragmatism. Every day that passes more people wake up, and more people opt out of the cannibal brigades by doing some basic prep. We need that to continue.

Finally, he probably can't win. But if wre all sing his virtues that do accord with liberty and limited government, that cannot hurt the national psyche. The man does not need enemies on his right.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 16:13 | 5160061 Kirk2NCC1701
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Looks like Hunting Season is starting early this year, boys:  Obama LAME DUCK SEASON IS OPEN.

No Hunting Licenses needed.  Just Load & Lock.  The Duck's... THAT way.  [Points at golf course, with sign reading "LAME-DUCK OPEN Goof Championship"]

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 14:56 | 5159759 JLee2027
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I will listen to Ron Paul, but not Rand, who is a well-meaning disaster.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:03 | 5159787 James_Cole
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Right, because there's so many other great pols to choose from. 

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:12 | 5159818 JLee2027
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It's a mistake to compromise. Rand is a NO.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:20 | 5159853 tony wilson
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charlton heston    i am spartacus

jlee2027  yes i am spasticus as well

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:23 | 5159866 SuperRay
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Kirk Douglas was Spartacus

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 00:45 | 5164046 TheReplacement
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Spartacus was Spartacus.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 16:35 | 5160159 Kirk2NCC1701
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Welsh actor Andy Whitfield and the 3-season of "Spartacus - War of the Damned" leaves the other pansies in the dust.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 02:42 | 5161775 NihilistZero
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Rand is doing what he has to, to you know, actually get elected president.  Not passing the libertarian purity test is tge least of my concerns regarding Rand.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:16 | 5159834 McMolotov
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Pelosi 2016. Might as well go full-retard at this point.

Bush and Obama were basically there, but Pelosi would put us over the top.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:33 | 5159920 dogfish
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Here is one for you Elizabeth Warren worshipers.

http://rt.com/usa/183744-elizabeth-warren-gaza-israel/

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:47 | 5159967 Z_End
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No surprise there.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 16:37 | 5160083 Kirk2NCC1701
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The sage words of Philosopher Jagger come to mind:  You can't always get what you want...

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 00:39 | 5164038 TheReplacement
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Rand or Hillary?  Seriously now.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 14:55 | 5159760 Bloppy
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Survey: Dems rank ‘climate change’ ahead of ISIS, al-Qaeda, Russia, Iran, NKorea

http://tinyurl.com/knvxmse

 


Fri, 08/29/2014 - 22:47 | 5161378 buyingsterling
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Shh.... didn't you get the memo? there's no difference at all between the abortion party and the self-defense party. Both have the same amount of respect for individual rights.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 00:47 | 5164047 TheReplacement
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There is certainly a difference between the constituents but not really between the parties.  The parties are just used to manipulate the poles to point in the same overall direction and here we are.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 16:03 | 5160047 Duffy Duck
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That's a pretty shocking article. If it were any country but Israel, the US would be launching airstrikes.

I'm not saying Hamas is good or right, but... Israel wasn't 'defending' itself - it was killing lots and lots of people.

and destroying lots and lots of homes and infrastructure - deliberately.

It is obvious to me, the normal pro and anti israel over the top stuff aside, that Israel's government doesn't want peace - it just wants all of Palestine.

The idea that they are the "Israelites" of the Bible seems to be mostly myth, but even if it weren't, the idea that remote ancestry gives you more of a right to proximate residential ancestry is absurd.

Especially as the Jews lived in large numbers outside Israel for hundreds of years before the Romans sacked Jerusalem.

anyway, every fascist and aggressive nation always claims self-defense.

Every time I see someone mention "Neville Chamberlain" I know they're a chicken hawk who thinks diplomacy is a 4 letter word.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 00:53 | 5164055 TheReplacement
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By all means, go negotiate with ISIS.  Seriously, go.  Chamberlain was a moron.  So were the people before him - the ones who put the binders on Germany to start with.

Also, who lived in Jerusalem when the Romans sacked it? 

I don't know what to believe in Gaza - can't believe MSM and the alt-news only ever make accusations without proof.  I mean, a destroyed building doesn't prove genocide or anything else for that matter.  The average person is smart enough to know that when you fight in a city that buildings will be destroyed.  It means nothing besides there was a fight.

 

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 16:36 | 5160160 Robot Traders Mom
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Lockheed and AIPAC are now ghostwriting Rand's editorials...

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 20:07 | 5160872 gallistic
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Sorry mom, but I am out of the loop and just don't know.

Whatever happened to your son?

As I recall, he was tons of fun...

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 14:51 | 5159728 gafgroocK
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What channel is the View with Whoopie on, again?

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 14:50 | 5159731 Stoploss
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Time to cut the losses. It's over, we fucked up, admit it, kill them ALL.

 

BEFORE THEY KILL US.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 14:58 | 5159769 Shell Game
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I assume you mean the Leviathan in D.C.  Yes.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 17:07 | 5160255 NotApplicable
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Since when are you not part of "ALL?"

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 00:55 | 5164056 TheReplacement
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Just for the record, I officially renounce my membership in ALL.  Not that it's a big concern but just in case he's serious.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 14:49 | 5159732 Potato King
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Funny that he should come out and say this on the same day that this gem got released:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMjXbuj7BPI&list=UUEHsSWvrGVSIA63OV3J6vhA

 

Makes me wonder if Randy watches SCG.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 14:56 | 5159764 john39
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the levels of deception are pretty incredible.  It seems increasingly obvious that old barry obamao is being set up to take the fall for the looming false flag/catastrophe in the ME.  War hawks will then use this pre-arranged obamao implosion to further feed the MIC wit MOAR war...

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:35 | 5159922 The Wizard
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I was thinking the same. Not a coincidence. Ron is telling Rand where he screwed up and teaching him well.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 14:50 | 5159736 Itchy and Scratchy
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It all ends quickly when the oil runs out!

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:40 | 5159944 Anarchy 99
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never, oil is abiotic

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 16:58 | 5160224 exi1ed0ne
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If it's abiotic, explain stripper wells.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 17:15 | 5160287 NotApplicable
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Seriously? Abiotic oil does not imply infinite oil in every location. Just like a used oil filter, any well will plug up over time. Also, it may have taken thousands of years (or more) for oil to accumulate at any one location, so there's always the possibility of dry wells on a human time-scale.

Both of these are reasons that if oil is abiotic, then Iraq is the most important drilling spot on the planet, as plate tectonics are pulling plates away from each other there, with mostly sand covering them. Nowhere else on Earth can oil be so cheaply extracted. I think it's no accident that the place is being made uninhabitable with depleted uranium and CIA backed religious wars.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 17:28 | 5160332 exi1ed0ne
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Abiotic oil gives the origin of the oil as somewhere deep in the earth seeping up, rather then from dead critters.  If it was really from deep in the earth stripper wells should be replenished somewhere, however this is not observed behavior.  It also doesn't explain why the Saudis are injecting their wells to keep the pressure up if the Arabian peninsula is a hotbed of abiotic seepage.

It's all moot anyway, since unless it's gonna replenish in human time frames we are royally screwed.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 14:50 | 5159737 Canucklehead
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Rand Paul knows he has his place in American politics.  He also knows he speaks for a small segment of American society.

He is comfortable with that.

End of story...  End of political journey...

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 14:52 | 5159747 Duffy
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One wishes you knew your place on the ZH boards.

Crazy old Canadian Coot has a nice ring, aye?

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:01 | 5159783 Canucklehead
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Duffy, you came here because of me.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:03 | 5159789 Winston Churchill
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Jewish,Canadian of Ukrainian descent,vitriolic coot.

He was also gang raped by muslim, russian soldiers at some point.

Apart from that ,he is quite normal.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:07 | 5159798 Canucklehead
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Have you noticed we are diametrically opposite to our namesakes?

Can you follow the nuance?

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:12 | 5159823 Winston Churchill
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No Lady Astor, I hadn't.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 16:24 | 5160117 Canucklehead
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That's it?  Would you be so kind as to fetch me a drink?

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 16:54 | 5160179 Kirk2NCC1701
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LOL.  Winston's drunk and you must be ugly, given the bag over your head.

In the morning however... [C'mon Winston, finish the line of the famous Churchill/Astor tiff over alcohol and looks]...

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:08 | 5159800 Ignatius
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But it hasn't shaded his objectivity, which is nice.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:00 | 5159778 NOTaREALmerican
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100% correct.    Most of the (R)etards and (D)umbasses love Big-Gov.   The just don't like the other side running it.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 18:32 | 5160576 booboo
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But of course if you had to pick a side (like every election cycle) you would (will) pick the side that will promote your morals (or lack of)

Withdrawing your consent IS an option.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:30 | 5159906 joego1
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It seems like the truth is only realized by a small segment society today. I think people like you wish it was the end of the story but unfortunately it is theonly the onset of a very ugly new reality for the folks who have been ignorant of the truth.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 14:51 | 5159740 blabam
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Sure he's not a purist like his father... but imagine a guy like him, who met Rothbard et al, having the bully pulpit. Could be worse. 

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 14:55 | 5159758 McMolotov
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It probably will be.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 14:51 | 5159742 LawsofPhysics
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By design, America in it's current state is a theat to the NWO.  America must be "fundamentally changed".

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:08 | 5159804 Winston Churchill
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Like a worn out, old pox ridden hooker ,its about to be put down by its pimp.

The pimp already has a fresh new 'girl' to work the world.

The Rothchilds like their old script.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 16:50 | 5160198 Kirk2NCC1701
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Well, gents, the New Silk Road 2.0* does promise more wealth than the Latter Day Rome that was the US.

* The New Silk Road = New Orient Express = Europe - Central Asia - Asia = Eurasia.

Oceania (US) cannot allow the rise of Eurasia -- unless Europe is its Pawn (via Dollar/Euro and the Master/Slave relationship).

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 14:52 | 5159745 Leraconteur
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It is nearly universal that everyone assumes it is recent geo-politics, but the fact is that whenever Islam gets money, that multiple groups arise that behave like IS, Al-Qaeda, the Barbary Pirates, and so on.

This behaviour predates the European Enlightenment, the USA, the colonisation of North America by Europeans, and the English language.

It is NOT due to the USA. These misogynistic, boy raping, sociopaths would behead people regardless.

Until everyone understands this, nothing will change wrt Islam and everyone else on Earth.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 14:54 | 5159751 Duffy
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How Nutty Yahoo of you.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:42 | 5159951 Anarchy 99
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"These misogynistic, boy raping, sociopaths would behead people regardless"

 

you do mean the Brits, right.............?

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 01:02 | 5164065 TheReplacement
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You haven't heard?  Britain is going Muslim.  Brit soldiers can't even walk around London in uniform anymore.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 16:05 | 5160051 thatthingcanfly
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Spot on Leraconteur.

Recommend everyone read Srdja Trifkovic's "The Sword of the Prophet."

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 14:54 | 5159752 Volaille de Bresse
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"Shooting first and asking questions later has never been a good foreign policy"

That's correct but ISIS a glorious exception to the rule!
The sooner they ALL die the better.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 14:57 | 5159762 czarangelus
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Is Rand finally discovering his father's non-interventionist view of foreign policy? That was always my big beef with him and what guaranteed that I wouldn't vote for him. If his formerly hawkish (ie: warmongering whacko) attitude is changing, it's good news indeed.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 17:19 | 5160294 NotApplicable
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ISIS is low-hanging fruit. As much as I wish Rand would become as coherent as his father, I don't see it happening from within his Senate office.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 14:57 | 5159767 pakled
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What the hell? Words coming out of a politician's mouth that are not composed of bull pucky. Words that actually make sense. A sensible politician. A breath of fresh air amongst the stench of self-serving lies.

 

Cool.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 14:58 | 5159770 NOTaREALmerican
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Just another goddamn hippy libertarian who hates America, and the troops !

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:01 | 5159774 Gregor Samsa
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The U.S. armed, funded, and helped create ISIS.

This video does an excellent job of tracing the roots back:

http://youtu.be/oMjXbuj7BPI?list=UUEHsSWvrGVSIA63OV3J6vhA

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:02 | 5159781 SmittyinLA
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If you were a Senator would you be as feckless as Rand Paul?

Would you stand for the criminal status quo?

Rand Paul, compensated observer, he's like the John Stewart of the Senate, he stands back, observes, pokes fun at US policy, and DOES NOTHING. 

He's paid to NOT enforce immigration law and NOT side with Israel, he's a phony, an empty suit, second gen politician, a pocket looking for a lining. 

 

 

 

 

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:05 | 5159794 NOTaREALmerican
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He still has to win the NEXT (R)etard election.  So, the bullshit he creates has to fit into the existing body of bullshit-work that the (R)etards already believe.  One of the (many) winning strategies the smart-n-savvy employ is having ONLY a Red and Blue Team which makes it difficult for outsiders to insert radically new bullshit into the brains of the dumbasses.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 01:05 | 5164072 TheReplacement
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Perhaps if he were in the Executive branch instead of the Legislative branch he would have some authority and responsibility for enforcing immigration law.  Hell, he's in the minority party in the Senate and he is in a minority within that party at that.

Your strawman is looking tired.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:01 | 5159784 coast
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I read a comment on another link on ZH that was good, so going to copy it but copy it badly.....Why does ISIS want to destroy the U.S. when Israel is right next door?.  Something to think about.  May I also add, why is ISIS actually being a part of the overall NWO agenda?  something to think about.   The west wants to bomb syria, now they have an excuse. Something to think about.  It goes on and on. And another poster on this link showed that Rand mentions little about israel and palestine.  something to think about...I also like the post that Ron is a ferrarri, and Rand is a yugo...good one. 

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 01:10 | 5164074 TheReplacement
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That may have been my post.

As for Rand.  Ron is out of the game.  You have Rand, Cruz, Christie, Parry, or Ryan to run against Hillary.  Out of that whole crowd, who do you think has any chance of being a decent and law abiding President?  Given the choices, Rand looks pretty good.

Of course I would vote for myself but I really don't want to have my porn browsing history made public the week before the vote (or die in a car accident, shitgum myself, or nailgun my head off while falling from a highrise bank).  You know that would happen to anyone who's a threat.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:07 | 5159799 Skip
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Rand Paul, something about that guy I don't trust, his cozy up with AIPAC, doing free eye-surgery for Guatemalans, his sticking up for Mike THE GENTLE GIANT Brown, praising Captain Johnson... Hey Rand you can bet on getting ZERO percent of the African, Asian, Arab, Jewish, Latino, Muslim, vote, yet you want OPEN BORDERS so what few jobs are left for White men and women in this country dry up and are handed to 3rd World invaders.
And tell me Rand are you ALL UPSET about this? I didn't think so:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/celebrated-ferguson-capt-ron-joh...
Celebrated #Ferguson Capt. Ron Johnson Pulls Gun on Unarmed White Kids on Bikes

ISIS hates White folks too Rand:
http://www.vdare.com/posts/sailer-was-right-isis-african-american-radica...

the Daily Caller’s Chuck Ross reports on the now-deleted Twitter account of the improbably-named Douglas McAuthur McCain, the American black killed fighting for ISIS last week:

After watching the 2011 movie “The Help,” which followed a group of black maids working in the South in the 1960s, McCain, who was black, decided that he disliked white people.

Watching the Help starting to make me hate white people

— Duale Khalid (@iamthetooth) December 12, 2012

Ok its official fuck white people

— Duale Khalid (@iamthetooth) December 13, 2012

American Who Died Fighting For ISIS Showed Hate For White People And Gays, August 27, 2014

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 01:12 | 5164078 TheReplacement
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Correct me if I'm wrong but Rand said we should wait on the investigation before deciding how we stand on things in Ferguson and that his beef was with the militarized police.  You are full of crap and your up voters are idiots.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:12 | 5159822 supersajin
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This statement containes more honestly than you will ever read from Obama, Clinton or any other politician holding or wishing to hold POTUS

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 01:16 | 5164082 TheReplacement
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What a great piece of propaganda.  He took payments but never mentions from whom except an unspecified charge that is was the RP people even though the guy himself says it wasn't them.

Great reporting.  Do you actually believe stuff like this when you read it?

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:17 | 5159843 venturen
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Sorry Rand....so are you blaming the US for creating crazies or are you saying if we left them along there won't be any crazies. Covering you ears and shutting your eyes has never been an effective defense mechanism in HISTORY! 

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:25 | 5159865 thamnosma
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We created the power vacuum moron.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 01:18 | 5164086 TheReplacement
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Actually, we created ISIS itself.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMjXbuj7BPI&list=UUEHsSWvrGVSIA63OV3J6vhA

Add to that the fact we have their honcho in our pocket for four years in Iraq and McCain had snaps done with other members a couple of years ago while trying to drum up support. 

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:23 | 5159870 NOTaREALmerican
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Don't forget, even if he was a "pure" Libertarian (and actually road in on a white horse named Ayn Rand wielding the Righteous Sword of Libertarian Justice) he'd STILL have to temper his language to be understandable by the (R)etards who elected him.    60% of the voting population are brain-dead (R)etards and (D)umbasses, that's just reality.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:26 | 5159882 thamnosma
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That seems to go over the head of most.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 18:14 | 5160505 Vullsain
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You are being very generous statistically about the percentage of non brain-dead voters in this idiocracy of ours.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 01:18 | 5164087 TheReplacement
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One of your best posts ever.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 18:08 | 5160486 Vullsain
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That's not what he said. He is pointing out the consequences of creating a power vacuum populated by these crazies.Pretty basic really, Poppa Bush understood this, Little George and the cabernet sipping Neocons, who never served in the armed forces could not and Obama and Hilliary are making the same stupid decisions. These consequences were apparent, what is freakin disturbing is the unintended consequences that are not so blatantly obvious that will unfold.

 

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 19:40 | 5160790 booboo
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"Covering you ears and shutting your eyes has never been an effective defense mechanism in HISTORY!"

What the fuck are you yapping about?

He is telling the truth and it appears that you don't like it, so who is doing what here bub.

Let me guess, he threatens to de-throne the hilda beast with such talk and is scares you?

If the object is to open the eyes of the dumbed and numbed to a so far un told truth in a major publication, well, hey, give the guy some credit.

The object of the other guys game is to destabilize the world with an end to killing untold civilians so if you are in favor of that sign up (again?) if that is the case. Take your chances and go make some money for your masters in the MIC.

Trust me, once we rid the world of Moooooslims there will be another boogy man to fight.

It will never end until the end of time but at least the rules of the game can be modified so that when the time comes we are fighting someone that is funded by their fucking taxpayers.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 01:20 | 5164089 TheReplacement
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You are talking to someone who wants "us" to go over there and do something about it but won't be part of the "us" who actually has to go there.  He could prove me wrong and go join the Syrians or the Kurds but he won't.  He wants someone else's kid to die for what he wants.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:17 | 5159844 tony wilson
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this fucker said any attack on israel is an attack on america.

rand doom thoughts from the country of the mind

of a hicksville

bunch of rocks.

 

 

sorry but this guy is purchased pr blackmailled by rabbi.

he is a purchased owned agent he play good cop or bad cop.

he will fuck you length wise or side ways.

straight up or down.

just another bad actor from a 

 hicksville  cuntry clown.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:21 | 5159859 thamnosma
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sometimes I wish you'd give it a rest or post some comment that isn't about jews.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:24 | 5159878 NOTaREALmerican
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Some people have economic morality OCD,  some have racial OCD, some have ethnic OCD,  some of model airplane OCD, and some are Cub Fans. 

Nothing you can do about these people.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 17:22 | 5160308 NotApplicable
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Why do you bother to read them? Scrolling isn't that hard.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:28 | 5159896 Savyindallas
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I hope you are wrong. Watch what he does, not just what he says. And occasionally voting for Israel in many of those 100 to 0 votes doesn't concern me much either. That's likely just essential politics, not conviction. You can be in the self righteouss minority, getting no more than 7-9% like his father, or you can play shrewd politics and try to get real power and influence. I guarantee a President paul would not take us to war unless there was a Congressional declaration of war  -and he would not be supporting it.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:47 | 5159962 Anarchy 99
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guarantee?       funny!

the day he stops supporting the zio-nazi Israhell is the day he'll get some respect on this board.

he's a fucking traitor to his father.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:22 | 5159860 disabledvet
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Get on board Generalplan Ost phucker!

Seriously though...I had a rationale for going into Syria...namely as offering a way out of the Middle East "quagmire." Only problem was those who actually do this stuff for a living never offered up said rationale.

Even Congress who the President kicked this can too simply did nothing.

Quite honestly I see zero solution here. Doing nothing isn't an option...doing something looks even worse.

One thing seems pretty clear beyond any doubt: the USA is in fact at war with Russia. I think it's high time to at least start taking the cover off that ball at least. "There are implications to this Faustian Bargain" yes, yes?

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 01:22 | 5164091 TheReplacement
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Do something:  Support those who will fight for their freedoms agaist ISIS, nothing more, nothing less.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:22 | 5159863 thamnosma
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Drudge just linked this, perfect for Friday afternoon...

 

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/386694/judicial-watch-feds-bulletin...

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:26 | 5159887 McMolotov
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This works out well for me. I was already under my desk clutching scissors.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:50 | 5159988 thamnosma
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Nothing like being prepared.  Hope those are sharp scissors.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 16:08 | 5160060 One of We
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Do I lob some shot off into the air now or when I see the whites of their eyes?

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 16:28 | 5160133 That's all Folks
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False Flag Friday!!

-That's all Folks-

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 17:23 | 5160312 NotApplicable
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I've been waiting all day for the Labor Day setup. Better go buy extra beer.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:23 | 5159867 your_moms_basement
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Rand is just another career politician fucknut who's campain is funded by the worst of the worst lobbyist groups and special interests.  You expect people to belive your soapbox freedom and liberty bullshit and at the same time take money from the Koch brothers?!? Bwaaaaa haaaaa haaa!! 

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:23 | 5159873 thamnosma
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You vomit out the Koch Brothers.  I can now ignore your further comments.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:24 | 5159872 p00k1e
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Rand has a net worth of about $2,500,000 and never worked a day in the private sector. 

Dang, you Rand supporters must be loaded with cash keeping him flush like that. 

http://www.davemanuel.com/net-worth/rand-paul/

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:24 | 5159876 thamnosma
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Yeah, we shouldn't even bother to participate in politics since the only possible angel would be you.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:48 | 5159980 Anarchy 99
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give it up, not working here.

rand (small r)  is a tool..........of israhell.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:52 | 5159992 thamnosma
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I guess with a moniker like that it wouldn't.  Of course, even anarchists believe in government or collectives or whatever you want to smooth it over with.  

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:26 | 5159885 NOTaREALmerican
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That line used to be reserved only for the (R)etards about Limousine Liberals.    How far we've come !

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 18:04 | 5160460 grekko
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Rand is either an eye doctor or an eye surgeon.  He worked all right.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:26 | 5159883 Catullus
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Those names in your own party are... John McCain, Saxby, King, graham.

They armed them. They even sent the CIA to vet them. They created this monster.

I say, partition Iraq and let them have their state. Thugs like this don't govern. They rule by violence. When there's nothing to fight for and no one to fight, they destroy themselves. Watch that army disappear overnight.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:34 | 5159921 p00k1e
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Rand Paul’s strongly worded… 'slam'  sure means a lot though.... 

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 16:34 | 5160148 That's all Folks
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Oil. oil..oil, more oil. OIL

-That's all Folks-

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:49 | 5159982 NoWayJose
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We used to be happy giving 'aid' to different countries so that they could buy our weapons. Then we would step back and let them fight amongst themselves. Now we send in the Air Force, or drones, or boots, and give the really bad guys a rather large enemy that they can unite around. If we put as much effort into developing our own energy as we have fighting wars, we would not need to worry about what is going on across most of the globe.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 15:53 | 5160006 rwe2late
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Rand supports US global militarism and NATO (and Israel).

Obama blames all his pro-war interventions on Bush's mistakes.

Now Rand wants to blame his future support for interventions and militarism on Obama.

Same song, different singer.

 

None of them, save Ron Paul, Kucinich, and a few others ever took a clear stand that the only way to stop these continuous military adventures was to stop doing them.

Few publicly denounce the Pentagon objective of global full-spectrum dominance.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 16:06 | 5160056 Surging Chaos
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He won't denounce the NATO and Israel aid of course, because he keeps bending over backwards to try to appeal to the mainstream politicians and political commentators. We're talking about the same guy that endorsed Romney when his dad flat out refused to do that (even if it meant Ron couldn't speak at the RNC). Basically it boils down to:

Ron is a statesman.

Rand is a politician.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 16:18 | 5160098 That's all Folks
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"eager for a U.S. intervention... To interventionists like "(the Republican AND Democrat Parties)...

"realize that the interventionists... hawkish members" (=Military Complex Backed Politicians)...

"we did do something. We aided those who've contributed to the rise of the Islamic State." (Game, Set.. media silence)

"The burden of proof lies with those who wish to engage in war." (Banker controlled media)

Rand Paul 2016 - is this our last chance to "save" this country, or is it WAY to late?

-That's all Folks-

 

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 16:31 | 5160142 NOTaREALmerican
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It was lost when the world's greatest generation realized just how much wealth a planned economy could generate.   Which means, I guess, we actually lost WW2.   

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 16:48 | 5160200 localspaced
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Rand's solution is to turn back time and retroactively stop fucking with Muslims? That's great. 100 years late, but still a great plan. I guess rand is better than what the dems or ( other) reps will bring, but still...

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 17:32 | 5160346 Bazza McKenzie
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The religion of peace has been fucking with everyone, including themselves, since Mohammed founded it and many centuries before the US was created.

It is certainly true that the US is run by a group of people who excel in hubris and incompetence who, in practice, have aided the "religion" that has been trying to conquer the whole world for centuries.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 17:50 | 5160389 honestann
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Rand Paul is not Ron Paul.  My guess is, Rand Paul would end up just about as deserving of a Nobel Peace Prize as Obama.  Sure, on many issues Rand sounds okay now, but so did Obama to a lot of people before he was elected.  Rand Paul is no Ron Paul.

Never forget that Rand supported Romney for president even while his father was still running.  If that doesn't prove how easily Rand is driven by political considerations and back-room deals, nothing ever will.

Deep down, Rand Paul is either a flat out neo-con, or as close as anyone can get without actually being one.  I assume the Rand Paul position will be, "I'm a slightly more thoughtful neo-con".  To hell with that!

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 20:41 | 5161011 optimator
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If Rand doesn't act like a Neo Con he will have no chance at all of getting anywhere and will end up just like Dad.   Its not working for Huckabee and his 42 visits to the Wailing Wall, but a few visits and a few lies may work for Rand.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 23:03 | 5161421 Loose Caboose
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Yup.  His support for Romney should tell us everything we need to know which is that this apple feel far, far from the tree.

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 18:32 | 5160570 cart00ner
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“Give a jihadist a gun; he will kill you today. Teach him to kill; and he will fight for generations"

Or was that something to do with fishing?

Fri, 08/29/2014 - 20:42 | 5161023 jballz
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Mistake my ass.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 10:05 | 5162137 Who was that ma...
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There is no "ISIS".  It's all fake, a creation of the CIA and NATO with hired actors playing out scripted scenes.  Some idiot is still congratulating himself for thinking up the black and orange outfits idea which he actually stole from the "Orange-is-the-new-black" show.  Look close and you'll see the "knife" is made of rubber.  You can even see the line where the background mural meets the stage.  This is not "terror" folks, this is comedy.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 19:50 | 5163493 fibonacci's claus
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Who's going to be Rand's running mate?  Rand Paul was born to be president of the United states.  He reminds me of the American history classes of high school.  Will it be just a veneer when he achieves the office? 

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 07:00 | 5164242 pparalegal
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After reading this in the WSJ OMan was heard telling his teleprompter programmer Valerie Jarrett  "my work is done for the day, time for golf!"

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