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French President Says "There Is Risk Of War" As Europe Plans Additional Russia Sanctions

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For months Europe had thought that mere verbal (and hollow) threats, populist posturing and propaganda would be enough to force Russia's Putin to back off and withdraw from the endless Ukraine escalation, into a Kremlin cocoon with his tail between his legs. What they didn't anticipate was that Putin would in no way back down (as that would be seen as defeat and weakness by his numerous internal foes), nor would have have to: with Russia providing a third of European gas and with winter approaching, Russia had all the trumps cards from day one. Furthermore, as a result of escalating trade wars it is not Russia's economy that is hurting but Europe, which is on the verge of a historic triple-dip recession, only unlike 2010 and 2012, this time it is Europe's growth dynamo, Germany, itself which is leading the lemmings into the abyss.

Now, finally, Europe has realized that its "strategy" (if it ever had one, red: Obama's 'strategy' on dealing with ISIS) was flawed. It is with this mindset that European Union leaders met in Brussels earlier today and while, as usual, the the threat of new and improved sanctions to Russia was present, suddenly Europe's leaders seem far more "fearful of a new Cold War and self-inflicted harm to their own economies" and instead decided to give Moscow another chance to make peace according to Reuters.

Confirming Europe's realization just how serious events are, and how far down the rabbit hole Europe's bureaucrats have gone, French President Francois Hollande, while stressing that a failure by Russia to reverse a flow of weapons and troops into eastern Ukraine would force the bloc to impose new economic measures i.e., nothing new, it is what he said just after that indicated a dramatic change in rhetoric: "Are we going to let the situation worsen, until it leads to war?" Hollande said at a news conference. "Because that's the risk today. There is no time to waste."

Because when Europe, the cradle of both World War I and II talks war, it is a good idea to listen.

Of course, the problem of hypocrisy promptly emerges, because it is France whose mistral amphibious assault ship is being delivered to Russia over the objections of both Germany (whose own military export complex has quite a few pending RFPs to the Kremlin) and of course Washington. That, and the fact that it is Europe's actions that have led the situation to the bring of another world war. Actions such as the expansion of NATO to Russia's borders which the Kremlin, justifiably, sees as yet another offensive intrusion by the west into purely regional matters, because last time anyone checked, Ukraine was neither a member of NATO nor the European Union.

The paradoxical hypocrisy continued when none other than British PM, who has been teasing with pulling the UK out of Europe for months over the election of Jean-Claude "You have to lie pretty much all the time in Europe" Juncker, also spoke on behalf of a united Europe. From Reuters:

British Prime Minister David Cameron said: "We have to address the completely unacceptable situation of having Russian troops on Ukrainian soil. Countries in Europe shouldn't need to think long before realising just how unacceptable that is. We know that from our history.

 

"So consequences must follow if that situation continues."

Consequences such as pushing Germany into outright depression, which in turn would lead to a global economic contraction? Sure, go ahead, but keep in mind that once again Putin has done his homework. Unless, of course, the entire premise is to launch another round of global coordinated QEasing, and this time blame the Kremlin as the "scapegoat" for thrusting the world into at least one more year of unprecedented Reverse Robin Hood wealth redistribution by way of central banks.

Meanwhile, Europe's hawkish warmongers had free reign today to tell the world how they really feel:

The president of formerly Soviet Lithuania, an outspoken critic of Vladimir Putin and of EU hesitation to challenge him, called for urgent military supplies to Kiev and a tougher arms embargo on Russia. Dalia Grybauskaite said Moscow, by attacking Ukraine, was effectively "in a state of war against Europe".

 

But large Western countries are wary of damaging their own economies through sanctions. Those include Germany, Britain and France, as well as Italy, which is heavily dependent on Russian gas and expects to secure the post of EU foreign affairs chief. Poroshenko gave short shrift to Moscow's denials by denouncing the past week's incursion of thousands of troops with hundreds of armoured vehicles and said he expected the summit to order the European Commission to prepare a new set of sanctions.

 

But, like Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso, he used their joint news conference to stress a will to find a political solution to a crisis that President Putin blames on Kiev's drive to turn the ex-Soviet state away from its former master Moscow and toward a Western alliance with the EU and NATO.

 

He said he was not looking for foreign military intervention and expected progress toward peace as early as Monday - because failure could push the conflict to a point of no return: "Let's not try to spark the new flame of war in Europe," he said.

 

Barroso also warned of the risk of a "point of no return" in stressing that EU leaders wanted to defuse the confrontation with their nuclear-armed neighbour.

 

"It makes no sense to have ... a new Cold War," Barroso said. Further conflict would hurt all of Europe, he said, adding that sanctions were meant to push Moscow to talk. His Commission already had prepared a number of options for further measures.

Europe may be shocked to learn that the Cold War never went away, but simply was on hiatus until the Russian bear and the Chinese dragon felt strong enough they can finally ascend to global superpower status, in the process sweeping away the insolvent west, and its reserve currency status.

All that said, no pun intended, there was nothing actually decided today in Brussels, nor was any action taken, as is generically the case in Europe. In fact, the only thing that did happen is that as was known in advance, moments ago Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk replaced Haiku-spewing, unelected Gollum lookalike Herman Van Rompuy, a well-known figurehead from the days when Europe was actively fighting for its survival.

With Tusk, a conservative easterner, replacing the Belgian Van Rompuy, Italian Foreign Minister Federica Mogherini from the centre left would take over as the bloc's foreign policy chief, replacing Briton Catherine Ashton.

In overall charge of the executive Commission, in succession to Barroso, will be conservative former Luxembourg premier Jean-Claude Juncker, appointed at a stormy summit two months ago.

 

 

Eastern leaders, alarmed by a resurgent Moscow, had resisted the appointment of Mogherini at that time. At 41 and in government only since February, they saw her as lacking the political experience and weight to stand up to the Kremlin and also handicapped by Italy's dependence on Russian energy.

In fact, while Europe's powerlessness to do anything to halt Putin's advance is well-known, the most interesting aspect of today's meeting that left Belgian caterers that much richer, was the horsetrading of hollow, bureaucratic figureheads at the top: something Europe also excels at.

Britain, France, Germany and other countries are competing to see their nominees secure important portfolios in Juncker's team, such as in economic affairs, trade and energy supply.

 

The horse-trading over jobs underlines the power of rival national governments over the supranational institutions of the EU. Proponents of a strong political leadership in Brussels that can inspire and rally an increasingly sceptical European public behind the common project may again be left disappointed.

 

Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi said on Friday he would propose a meeting to discuss tackling the "really worrying" economic situation across Europe, with growth and jobs elusive and fears of a new crisis for the euro currency.

 

The leaders agreed to schedule that summit for Oct. 7, according to the draft statement.

And so on.

To summarize: more worthless power moves, more hollow rhetoric and threats, more verbal escalation; nothing else.

In fact, the most notable comment all day today came from Hungarian Premier Viktor Orban who said that EU sanctions on Russia haven’t worked and it’s "self-delusion" to think they’ll help resolve the crisis in Ukraine.

Well, if there is anything Europe, and its allegedly unlimited but certainly very limited amount of political capital spent to preserve an unsustainable, artificial union, excels in it is "self-delusion."

 

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Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:09 | 5162599 Lumberjack
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For a tiny country, France is raising a lot of hell everywhere else.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:14 | 5162615 Keyser
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Yawn, let me know when Russian tanks roll into Poland... Until then, it's all a kabuki dance... 

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:22 | 5162633 Stoploss
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Putin must have a Marlin chair bolted to the floor in front of a dedicated terminal to read this shit from in case he passes out from laughter...

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:02 | 5162734 BaBaBouy
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NATO War With Russia Cannot Be An Option!

Just Like If THe USa Is Attacked, You Cannot Win...They Will Eventually NUKE You. So Russia Same, If You Attack Their Lands,
They Will Eventually Blow The SHIT Out Of Whoever Is Stupid Enough...

PUTIN, Is At Least A $100 Billionaire, He Doesn't Want To Give Up The Good Life... He Will Negotiate Fairly...

AND ... Few People Actually Give A Fuck About UKr, They Mostly Speak Russian Anyways....

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:11 | 5162774 Charles Wilson
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It's DEBT REPUDIATION TIME!!!

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:12 | 5162777 TahoeBilly2012
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When I see the "damp rag" leader of the EU (Von Rumpboy), I am sure these people are alien/reptiles. 

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:26 | 5162819 strannick
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First Britain, now France, getting trotted out to hand puppet US policy, as these go to lackeys will readily spite their European nose to bite Russia's face, because violating petro dollar hegemony is the cardinal sin.Meanwhile these toady apparatchiks of once powerful mighty nations need their asses kicked, ala contenders like Nigel Farage.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:59 | 5162928 Pinto Currency
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The real action is at the LBMA.

Their paper rigging scheme looks to be in trouble.

This war mongering is what politicians do when they are cornered and after leasing out much of their gold, the G7 look like they are cornered.

Time to deal with the issues but that is not in the character of the pols or their banker controllers.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 16:03 | 5162944 Publicus
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Got Ruble? Becuase if you don't, it's going to be a cold winter.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 16:35 | 5163043 WayBehind
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France is bankrupt therefore the best way to distract is to point finger elsewhere or even better, add fire to the already burning war.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 17:10 | 5163129 max2205
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1. So much for euro babes
2. France president has a war going on in his pants

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 23:38 | 5163965 CheapBastard
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<< For a tiny country, France is raising a lot of hell everywhere else. >>

 

Napoleon complex, or "short man syndrome", also found in short women, is a pejorative slang term describing a type of psychological phenomenon which is said to exist in people, usually men, of short stature. It can also be pronounced as 'Napoleonic Complex'. [1] It is characterized by overly-aggressive or domineering social behaviour, and carries the implication that such behaviour is compensatory for the subjects' stature. The term is also used more generally to describe people who are driven by a perceived handicap to overcompensate in other aspects of their lives. Other names for the term include "Napoleon syndrome[2] and Short Man syndrome.[3]

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon_complex

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 02:38 | 5164143 Drunk In Church
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I don't see a new global war.  I just see more sabre rattling.  Nobody is gonna die for the Ukraine.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 04:44 | 5164191 Sokhmate
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I'll bone apart you

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 04:49 | 5164192 Sokhmate
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Dup

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 07:21 | 5164256 Analyse2
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@CheapBastard

The British press mischievously depicted Napoleon as much smaller than average height, and this image persists.

Confusion about his height also results from the difference between the French pouce and British inch—2.71 and 2.54 cm, respectively;

He was 1.68 m (5'6") tall, average height for the period.

He also seemed small as he surrounded himself with the soldiers of his elite guard, who were usually six feet or taller and had big hats.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 17:11 | 5163128 August
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>>>When I see the "damp rag" leader of the EU (Von Rumpboy), I am sure these people are alien/reptiles.

Just going by appearances, I'd say he looks more like one of those Belgian family-men with pedophilia as a hobby.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 18:40 | 5163340 Majestic12
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"more human, than human...", August.

"The Fed" (you know what I mean), unfortunately turns out to be far less utopian than Roddenberry's vampires would have us believe....lizards....have evolved for millions of years before us into "hi-tech" lizards...with the same small, predatory, bird-like, emotionless focus that seeks any vulnerability and advantage over it....

""When they say on a show 'Created by' anyone, like 'Created by Gene Roddenberry,' that is not true. I laid out a pathway..." Gene Roddenberry

"The Gorn" live....they feed of the energy created by horror, terror, fear, dying, killing, hating, envy, greed, and destruction of innocence...our 1%'ers have been all too happy to provide this in exchange for all monetary and technological control over the 99%...

That, my friends is the "real" problem...the only law of the universe actually "free will"...they "need" our "permission"...which is deemed given by our demonstration of idiocy, apathy, and particpiation in self-agrondizement and it's ever-increasing cruelty that it used to justify the whole existence...

Pull the plug....just say "no"..."HUNDREDTH MONKEY, BREAK !!!" [return to positions]...last down....

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:33 | 5162840 rbg81
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Invading Russia has been a catastrophically bad idea whenever its been tried in the last 250 years.  And that was BEFORE nukes.

I suspect Russia's (Putin's) real crime is trying to eradicate the Petrodollar.  And, of course, Paul Krugman would claim that it would be great for the economy.

 

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:38 | 5162857 ebworthen
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How quickly France forgets: 

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/enter.htm

And before that, Napoleon and Waterloo. 

Now they support neo-Nazi's against Russia. 

Double Fail.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 18:11 | 5163262 rbg81
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Actually, when you look at the German losses in Russia durng WWII, Napoleon got off easy.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 18:29 | 5163310 Analyse2
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Military losses amounted to 300,000 French, about 72,000 Poles, 50,000 Italians, 80,000 Germans, 61,000 from other nations.

As well as the loss of human life the French also lost some 200,000 horses and over 1,000 artillery pieces.

The campaign was a turning point in the Napoleonic Wars. The reputation of Napoleon was severely shaken, and French hegemony in Europe was dramatically weakened.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_invasion_of_Russia

 

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 20:01 | 5163499 rbg81
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German losses against the Soviets in WWII was 6.2M, 8.7M if you include alll Axis forces.  The Soviets lost about 11.2M military and, I believe, up to 13M civilians.

Compared to that, Napoleon losing his Grand Army of 680,000 doesn't look so bad.

I mention this for perspective.  Back then war was a much, much bloodier affair that would not be tolerated today.  Not that life is cheap, but we get all weak kneed if we lose more than 1000 soldiers in a conflict.  

We almost had a revolution in this country when we lost 58K in Vietnam over nearly a decade.  IMO, we WOULD have a revolution today if we lost even half that in any foreign war.

 

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 07:47 | 5164272 Analyse2
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You are totally right. But for Napoleon you should also consider subsequent losses induced by the consequences of the Russian campaign : the creation of new coalitions against France.

An example of how losses were tolerated in the past :

World War I cost France 1,697,800 dead and 4,266,000 wounded (of whom 1.5 million were permanently maimed) and 537,000 made prisoner or missing - exactly 73% of the 8,410,000 men mobilized (for a total population of 40 million).

This means that 60% of men between the ages of 18 and 28 died or were permanently maimed.

You can have an idea of what these figures woud represent for the present population of the US:

13,412,000 dead and 33,701,400 wounded (of whom 11,850,000 permanently maimed) and 4,242,000 made prisoner or missing.

It is totally impossible to imagine US reaction to casualties on that scale ...

 

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 19:56 | 5163467 Againstthelie
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Nazis would never fight for Jewish masters.

 

Russia is now trapped in the established war propaganda and hadn't used the time after 1990 to invite Ukrainian historians to investigate the Holodomor and get rid of the Bolsheviks lies. Instead to liberate both nations by showing the truth, that Bolshevism was NOT a Russian product, but Jewish, showing the Ukrainians that the Holodomor was not committed by Russians, and showing the Ukrainians that also the Russian people was the victim of Jewish Bolshevism, because the Russians lost their middle and uppel class and millions of Christians were murdered.

That would have shown the Ukrainians that the Russians do not identify with the occupation and the crimes and vice versa, the hate of many Ukrainians against Russia would have waned.

Peace by honesty and justice.

But instead of this, today the killers of the millions of Ukrainians are still protected by the established propaganda, a propaganda that Russia is defending

 

Because of these lies, Putin cannot name the real masters of the coup in Ukraine, he must keep playing the "fascism" card to keep the Russians united, although he knows, that the Right Sector with his Jewish chiefs plays not only a minimal role, but in fact the Ziomasters are using Ukrainian nationalism as tool against Russia.

That Ukraine is turned into a colony of EU and USrael, selling it's pipeline system, it's resources is the best proove that the Kiev regime has nothing to do with Nationalsocialism.

The Ukrainian regime is a globalist regime, was put into power by the globalists and uses patriots as cover and useful idiots. When they are no longer needed, they will be proscuted like in all European ZOGs.

 

The problem is, when a country is under external attack, like Russia, there is no time to destroy myths. Especially a myth liek the "Great Patriotic War", that strenghtens Russian patriotism.

In fact this myth was so strong, that not even the red globalists after the war, dared to abandon it and turn again torwards world republic as their official goal.

The window of opportunity between Ukraine and Russia in that regard has closed. Now the lies and the product of lies, the hate, is being used by the same forces, that were the reason for the Bolshevik terror. That's the tragic of history and it shows how dangerous and devastating historic lies can be, decades or even centuries after their invention.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 20:33 | 5163599 rbg81
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Not only do you have no clue what you're talking about, you take way too much space not making any sense.  

In short, you bore the living shit out of me.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 12:12 | 5164663 Usura
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Good commentary.  While Paul Craig Roberts also has some excellent commentary on Ukraine and a good link to a video press conference by DPR that I will get back to in a moment, he completely misses the flaws of the "NAZI / Facist" characterization of the putsch government in Kiev.  Your view of the matter is much more internally consistent.

From the video of the DPR press conference here: http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/08/watershed-press-conference-by-top.html , it appears that the DPR is no longer interested in "Federalization" (read annexation) by Russia.  They seem to want to go it alone which would strategically place them as a buffer between Ukraine and Russia.

Always the optimist, I can imagine and hope for the sort of truth and reconciliation about the true nature of Bolshevism being an early project of the new DPR.  Perhaps they will be less burdened and constrined by the prevailing lies of history.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:53 | 5162718 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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They won't. Neither will any NATO troops come to the defense of Ukraine. Novorossiya is likely to become a reality in the near future.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:03 | 5162753 Harbanger
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That region was captured from the Ottomans.  There will always be conflicts over land.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:33 | 5162853 Renewable Life
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Correction:
"There will always be conflicts over oil, gas, and food"

Fixed it for you!

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 06:27 | 5164229 intric8
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My quote for TPTB is very simple: LEAVE RUSSIA ALONE YOU FUCKERS!

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:36 | 5162872 Harbanger
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The Crimean Tatars, as their neighbors dubbed them, had converted to Islam in the 1300s. In 1475, the Crimean Khanate became a protectorate of the Ottoman Empire, while itself still clinging to power over the expansionist (and virulently anti-Tatar) Duchy of Muscovy.  However, in 1480, the Muscovites threw off the “Tatar Yoke,” and began the unification of Russia under Slavic rulers.  By 1503, those rulers would declare Russia the Third Roman Empire, and take the title of tsar or Caesar…

World War I changed everything for the Crimean Tatars.  The Russian Empire fell to communist revolutionaries in 1917, and after centuries of decline, the Ottoman Empire fell just a few years later in 1922.  In the turmoil, the Tatars proclaimed the creation of a secular, democratic state called the Crimean People’s Republic on December 26, 1917.  After just one month, however, the Bolsheviks conquered the Crimean Peninsula and summarily executed the President of Crimea, Noman Celebicihan.

Here's a little History of the Region.

The Ukrainians immediately counter-attacked, seizing the Crimean Peninsula from the Soviets in the Ukrainian-Soviet War of 1917-22.  After years of bitter fighting, the Bolsheviks defeated the Ukrainians.  Ukraine, including the Crimean Peninsula, became the Soviet-dominated Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, one of the original states of the USSR.

Under the Soviets, the Tatars were a persecuted minority.  As many as half of the Crimean Tatars were either killed or deported to the gulag by the state between 1917 and 1933.  Nonetheless, when World War II broke out in 1939, an estimated 20,000 Crimean Tatar men joined the Red Army, out of a total surviving population of 218,000.

As with other oppressed minorities in the Soviet Union such as the Cossacks and Chechens, some Crimean Tatars joined the Nazi invasion force in 1941.  An estimated 6,000 to 7,000 Tatars fought for the Nazis over the course of the war.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:57 | 5162930 Seer
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And a big driver has been:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY90MSkQtrE

Keep in mind that ideological bent means very little in the long-run:

http://www.rexresearch.com/glubb/glubb-empire.pdf

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 17:24 | 5163164 COSMOS
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And before the Tatars were there, Slavic people populated that land, so what is your point. I know only that they came, conquered, had their asses kicked out a few hundred years later, now rinse and repeat with the IMF and Euros rolling through.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 19:04 | 5163382 MalteseFalcon
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"You caught me.  You caught the Tatar!!"

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 16:11 | 5162967 oudinot
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The Crimenan Tatars sold Slavs  as slaves to the Ottomans et al  for hundreds of years.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 16:33 | 5163038 savagegoose
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thanks for the history , some where in there was the mongols. i think pre tartar?

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 11:30 | 5164533 Omen IV
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so what?     fuck the Tartars -  all irrelevant - only thing that matters is today -

Russia defense requires the Black Sea  - and blocking mechanism east to west from USA - - end of story - Ukraine doesnt matter - the truth is the decision in 53' was stupid and Putin has been asleep at the switch tending to other priorities - should have taken care of this 5-10 years ago and been done with it - cut the country in two below the  "D" River - and let the Banderas have the rest

having a vital economic pipeline in other peoples hands to screw with arbitrarily and pay them for the privledge  - when Russia paid to build it  -  is crazy

the USA is a Vampire that will suck peoples blood forever   - deal with the fact and accept it - it wont change!

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:20 | 5162627 williambanzai7
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Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:26 | 5162655 kliguy38
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LMAO tha't just not right billy

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:28 | 5162668 williambanzai7
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Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:31 | 5162678 williambanzai7
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Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:50 | 5162721 Escrava Isaura
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williambanzai7

 

Cool fashion, style!

Must be nice have that type of money.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:00 | 5162729 williambanzai7
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Haute for sure.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:21 | 5162817 fauxhammer
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I'm feeling QEasy

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:40 | 5162884 Handful of Dust
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I think I saw that last person on the Italian Dating site on the left-hand side of the page, "Italian Sweeties are waiting to Talk to you ...."

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:28 | 5162666 ndree
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the less relevant and more needy they are, the more noise they make. Just look at the poles, they depend on Russia for the greater part of thier gas but keep on braying like donkeys; when Russia refuses to buy their apples, they squeal like swines. what a bunch of retards! They should be left to freeze their white butts off this winter!

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 11:37 | 5164569 Omen IV
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The Poles should be made an example to everyone else - cut the gas / close down the trade completely - let them bleed to death for Tusk's personel objectives  until they reject the USA & NATO - should be the singular objective for Russia as alternate parallel front

POLES NEVER LEARN

 

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:05 | 5162760 Kirk2NCC1701
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Actually, it's the smart and correct call he made: To front-run the premeditated "Creeping Commitments" spearheaded by the Anglo - American Alliance, which is directing its Manifest Destiny (NWO) toward Russia.

France's future and independence lies in being an integral part of the Eurasian Silk Road, not as a junior partner of said Alliance.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:16 | 5162790 TahoeBilly2012
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Remember Russia was NWO all the way until the Putin purge. They lost Russia now they want it back. 

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 18:51 | 5163357 Majestic12
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Well, TahoeBilly....a redeeming comment... +1

Are the Mackinaw biting?  How about the casino whores?  Topical antibiotics usually helps....

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 23:26 | 5163946 TahoeBilly2012
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If you want a fishing or ski report I suggest Google. The Reno sugar babies are always "biting" (literally), so far no infections just lotsa ego boosting sex. Wood knock.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 20:02 | 5163524 Againstthelie
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You are talking about France. But France is ZOG and ZOG gives a shit about France or any other country - except one!

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:12 | 5165057 robertsgt40
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I'm guessing the Maginot Line is still there.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:12 | 5162608 Beam Me Up Scotty
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WW3 is probably underway. We just don't know it yet. By the time we figure out that it's started, a lot of people will have gotten free cremation--think of all the money that will save Obamacare.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:16 | 5162621 Keyser
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WWIII started some time ago on financial fronts... Act II will include limited military confrontation... 

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:53 | 5162731 Amish Hacker
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Historically, the sequence seems to be currency war, trade war, kinetic war. Guess where we are now.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 16:00 | 5162938 Seer
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"Guess where we are now."

Deep doo-doo?

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 17:16 | 5163148 August
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When "kinetic" arrives, all Americans will answer their nation's call.  Full mobilization... and Victory!

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 17:33 | 5163178 Keyser
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The current generation of Merkans do not have the same intestinal fortitude that their grandparents had when FDR rallied the people for WWII... If the current generation can't text it, snap a selfie of it or masturbate to it, it is of no interest... 

 

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 20:40 | 5163613 The Blank Stare
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I heard silverstien just bought the Sears Tower.

Get ready for 911 Part II in a few more days. Problem is getting past regulations when the US Nazi skin head population wants to sign up.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 18:55 | 5163364 Majestic12
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Good call August!  Decisions, decsiions....who gets crosshairs first....Boehner?  Feinstein?  I got it!  Zuckerberg!

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 17:06 | 5163100 Radical Marijuana
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Most mainstream morons like to continue to presume that world war would be limited by some degree of human rationality. I ask, HOW will that only become "limited military confrontation?" The real risks behind the banksters' criminal insanity habits are that they WILL risk war spinning out of control. There may be nobody who is able to prevent that from happening. There will NOT be a "limited" war with weapons of mass destruction. After that starts, almost all of us will be dead within an hour.

It will take miracles for the human species to not destroy itself, since we are controlled by the most criminally insane people, whose psychological and political habits ARE to start wars, which habits never adapted to weapons of mass destruction! Moreover, the same sort of insanities that drove the creation of thousands of atomic bombs, at least a couple of thousand of which are kept ready to go at a moment's notice, is merely the leading edge of all the rest of the collective social insanities, that civilization is based on backing up lies with violence, which maximizes attitudes of evil deliberate ignorance. World war with weapons of mass destruction would merely speed up the destruction of life on Planet Earth, which is happening, albeit more slowly, anyway because human society was controlled by war, which meant that human society ended up controlled by the most criminally insane people.

Just because their psychological and political habits worked well enough for thousands and years in the past does NOT mean that those habits will continue to work in the future. Rather, almost all human beings, both those who are ruled over, and those who rule over them, have collectively become criminally insane, because they have either adapted to living inside of systems run by backing up lies with violence, or have run those systems of lies backed by violence, for generation after generation, to develop deeply engrained social habits, NONE of which are able to respond to progress in science and technology adequately. Instead, the combination of old human habits, and advancing science and technology, have made our entire civilization become criminally insane!

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 17:45 | 5163210 Razor_Edge
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it'll be a lovely way. We'll all be home by Christmas!!

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 17:52 | 5163221 markar
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Radiation, Ebola, nuclear war..take your pick. The planet is about to get a badly needed multi-million year hiatus from the most destructive species to ever inhabit it.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 19:11 | 5163400 free_lunch
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Strange how media talks of France, Russia, Europe ect. as if these handfull of unelected clowns represent what the residents of these countries want? They never ask do they? Yet they dare call this democracy ?

I"m sure the majority doesn't want war..

 

So please elected and unelected clowns, kill each other instead of our children?

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 17:21 | 5165573 PTR
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That figure of speech "the gene pool could use a little chlorine" may get pretty literal in time.  Ugh.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 18:58 | 5163372 Majestic12
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Radical Marijuana

Remember, they have hundreds of DUMBs all around the world where they will be safe, sippin wine while "pushing the button".....

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 23:54 | 5163984 Radical Marijuana
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You are right, Majestic12, however, the ability of the ruling classes to retreat into trillion dollar underground bunkers probably contributes to my original point, that they ARE insane enough to start a war that risks starting to use weapons of mass destruction.

The MAD policy of Mutual Assured Destruction presumes that nobody is insane enough to start using them. However, the attitude of the bankster dominated NATO countries (and the insane bullshit pumped out in their mass media) indicate that they ARE insane enough to risk breaking the delicate balance of MADness! After any side in a war starts using weapons of mass destruction, then the "use it or lose it" military rational kicks into gear, in ways which would drive large numbers of those weapons to be used, despite that more than 100 would destroy civilization as we now know it.

Meanwhile, it makes for interesting science fiction speculations to imagine what would reemerge from DUMBS after a world war that killed off the majority of the world's population, as well as most of the habitat that human beings previously needed to survive. I believe that what came back out of DUMBS would not be like what went into them!

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:02 | 5165199 trulz4lulz
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As long as I have Dog Meat by my side......I'll be just fine.....

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 05:59 | 5164218 ChooChoo
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It was obvious since 2011 for me.... and its not yet the time... i believe in the end of 2016 or start of 2017 it will actually start! 

 

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:13 | 5162612 PaperBear
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The weapon that were stored in armouries all over Ukraine when soviet Russia fell, are they the weapons these jerks are taking about ?

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:20 | 5162629 Winston Churchill
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Never let facts get in the way of a war.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:59 | 5162743 Amish Hacker
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"You furnish the pictures, and I'll furnish the war."  William Randolph Hearst writing to Frederic Remington. Remember the Maine!

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:11 | 5162776 Kirk2NCC1701
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Great line, but you got the sender and receiver reversed. :-)

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:15 | 5162613 Berspankme
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What a putrid little troll fuck that Von rumpoy is. Such a wimpy little dick slurping punk.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:23 | 5162640 ndree
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couldn't agree with you more...it is to the likes of scumbags like this that the future of peace and stability is entrusted. he should be buried alive!

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:23 | 5162641 BadDog
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Watch Nigel Farage bitch slap Von rumpy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqovTGjYjM4

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 17:39 | 5163192 Keyser
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Too bad we don't have anyone like Nigel Farage in the US that has the balls to stand up to the pricks on the hill... 

 

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:25 | 5162647 piratepiet
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3 spelling errors in one name...

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:27 | 5162665 Global Hunter
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When you put most western politicians in a room it looks like a NAMBLA (spelling?) convention.  Strange that...

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:25 | 5162825 Kirk2NCC1701
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The Cloggies and its Royalty (and ROYAL Dutch Shell) are traditional allies of the AA Alliance, so no surprise there.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:17 | 5162616 withglee
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If I were considering any of these politicians to join a company I owned, I don't see a single one I would hire ... with the exception of maybe Putin. Regarding Ukraine, the possibility that the people of Ukraine would rather be part of Russia (regardless of whether the EU would want them to be part of Russia) is largely ignored. This article completely mis-characterizes the issues.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:15 | 5162617 dbTX
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We certainly don't want to get the cart before the horse.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:15 | 5162619 PontifexMaximus
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@ least I do not have to see this useless fart ashton anymore. Molgherini is not an eyecatcher but definitely nicer to look at. Nevertheless, useless as ashton was. Move along.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:16 | 5162620 williambanzai7
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I would like to know what all of the young clueless unemployed French morons who are too busy playing with their iPhones think about the prospect of this coming war that their unelected leaders would be all to happy to send them all to die in.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:21 | 5162630 ndree
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Some of them have joined the separatists, as have done many from other EU countries.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:26 | 5162657 williambanzai7
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There are Europeans fighting along side the Ukrainian separatists?

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:32 | 5162672 Global Hunter
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I have seen a video of Spanish and pictures of reportedly French fighting for the Novorossiya Armed Forces.  

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 17:43 | 5163203 Keyser
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And the rest of the muslim Frenchies are fighting for ISIS... Who is NATO going to recruit, Colombian mercenaries? 

 

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:31 | 5162675 ndree
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Yes, an entire brigade!

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:34 | 5162680 williambanzai7
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That is very interesting. You certainly won't hear much about that from the MSM.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:08 | 5162770 williambanzai7
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"So it’s very important to show that people from the west are distinct from their governments and they are ready to come and fight and risk their lives to defend another world,” Nikola said.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:51 | 5162724 Lea
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There is a new foreign volunteer brigade fighting with the Novorussians, yes. French and Spanish guys at the moment. I haven't heard more at the moment,  but rumor has it other nations are joining in too.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:54 | 5162727 agent default
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Yes Spanish and French are confirmed, also Germans and Italians, Greeks from the Greek ethnic minority in the east, Serbs, you name it they are there.  I don;t have the sources for all of the nationalities but they have all come to my attention.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 17:48 | 5163215 Karaio
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Who was the son of a bitch it was negative? 

Let me Banzai, that I rock. 

Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 17:02 | 5163101 Gregor Samsa
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French volunteers, supporters of Pro-Russian rebels, stands near destroyed Ukrainian military machines at the Lenin square in the town of Donetsk, eastern Ukraine, on Thursday.

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/08/29/1227041/355642-e656d08c-...

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 22:16 | 5163829 Freddie
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I watched a few videos.  The volunteers for NovoRoyissa are serious men from all over. They are not being paid and are not kids like the poor Ukrainian conscripts who mostly do not want to be there.  I would not want to be fighting against these guys because they are experienced fighters.

Murder and misery caused by the Kiev oligarch scum and ZATO.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:21 | 5162634 piratepiet
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When I read your comment I could not help thinking stick to your photoshop art ( which I am a big fan of ).

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:23 | 5162644 williambanzai7
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See you on the Eastern Front.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:29 | 5162671 piratepiet
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My guess is you will stay at the cyber front.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:34 | 5162682 Global Hunter
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cyber front seems like the civilized and rational place to be.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:42 | 5162702 piratepiet
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Better than a real war for sure, but civilized and rational ?

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:47 | 5162700 williambanzai7
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Good guess. At my age that is the best anyone could get out of me.

However, the young members of my family are another matter, which concerns me greatly and that is good enough reason for me to signal the globalist/bankster shitheads of all nations to go and fuck themselves seven times on Sunday.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:06 | 5162759 Mesquite
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I keep remembering what a great job that crowd did for/to Libya...

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:15 | 5162781 williambanzai7
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On the one hand I am very very angry about the whole smorgasborg of events we are witnessing.

On the other, we are uniquely placed because most of us see straight through what is happening and the greatest of so called conspiracy theories are being confirmed in real time.

There are people who are determined to start another great war because it is the only way forward for them and now is not the time to keep our mouths shut. Make plenty of noise.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:19 | 5162803 TahoeBilly2012
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Okay then unleash the Euro Trash/Rainbow Coalition forces on the Russian Bear, I would watch that! 

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:54 | 5162927 Karaio
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Banzai: 

You're a decent guy. 

I am grateful to you for the work. 

Alexandre.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:35 | 5162865 Otto Zitte
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You can shelter draft dodgers.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 17:18 | 5162871 piratepiet
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Sorry, I lied.  I thought of that as a reaction after reading what is in my opinion a disrespectful and silly post.  

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 22:47 | 5163884 williambanzai7
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Don't take it personally, we have our own fair share of unemployed morons too distracted by their iPhones to see they are being sodomized by their overlords.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:18 | 5162624 ndree
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    about an hour ago Thousands of German citizens protested against chancellor Angela Merkel in Dresden, shouting "Liar! War monger! Traitor! No war with Russia! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wSMhGE_Mpk
Sat, 08/30/2014 - 16:02 | 5162941 Karaio
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ndree: 

Germany has so many unemployed, imagine that in Italy, France, Spain and Portugal. 

For my part, would buy shares of companies that manufacture guillotines and hemp ropes, poles ... they already have. 

Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 16:49 | 5163073 Perfecthedge
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This is fantastic news.  I am spreading the video link everywhere I can (FB, LinkedIn, etc.) since this is NOT in MSM.  Germans waking up and standing up against their government.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 17:04 | 5163106 Kirk2NCC1701
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We've all learned from Ploticians that "When things get serious, you have to lie".

We're now re-learning that "When you can't trust Ploticians and NWO Minions, the People have to take matters into their own hands". 

After all, it's not the Ploticians' assets or blood that will be sacrificed on the altars of Globalist Banking.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:19 | 5162626 Canucklehead
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First Putin was this great chess player. Now, he has all the trump cards. When Putin negotiates, he asks... Do you have any Oil? Then he says... Go Fish...

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 22:10 | 5163815 trulz4lulz
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Putin would be one heluva Ukre partner.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 13:45 | 5164955 Charming Anarchist
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EUkre is for pussies. 

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:26 | 5162649 Fix It Again Timmy
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There will be no European war since Belgium has to be kept intact in order to purchase US Treasuries...

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 16:00 | 5162812 piratepiet
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It probably isn't Belgium buying so many US treasuries.  And if it was, the situation would be exactly the opposite imho, namely some people in Belgium buying treasuries in the hope of keeping the country together ( by outside force ). 

Fixed it for ya Timmy.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:25 | 5162651 digitalindustry
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yeah, fuck it.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:26 | 5162652 Hannibal
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The white (western) globalist US/UK/Nato want war with white Russia.

I call that pretty f''''''g stupid!

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:27 | 5162663 ekm1
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European political positions are just for show. Nobody cares.

The real power is in London, Berlin and Paris 

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:35 | 5162686 PontifexMaximus
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No, paris only for the haute cuisine, but not for politics.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:38 | 5162694 piratepiet
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I tend to agree with you.  I read Donald Tusk doesn't speak English, nor French. 

My estimation is the real power is in London and Paris, Berlin not so much. 

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:03 | 5162750 ekm1
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agree

Berlin can't come up with well trained soldiers ready for interventions.

No real power there.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:31 | 5162834 Dathedr
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It's City of London actually.

 

City Of London

 

City of London is the epicenter of central banking worldwide. It is the place from which world wars have emanated and plans for global conquest are apparently hatched there even today. The fear-based dominant social themes that the power elite uses to extract wealth and power from Western middle classes have their home in the City of London. The UN and League of Nations were given birth there and the EU was likely conceived there. Every centralizing influence in the world today of any note has its roots in the City of London or its sister-municipalities, Washington, DC and the Vatican. These three "independent" city-states function as a trilogy of money power , the building blocks of the New World Order, the epicenter of an effort that apparently seeks to organize the world into one large medieval plantation.

The City of London may seem like a quaint, historical backwater but it likely lies at the heart of the world's current turmoil. The Rothschilds themselves do business out of the City of London and the vastness of resources located in and around the City of London must number in the tens or even hundreds of trillions. Money power is centralized in the City of London and has never been dispersed, despite ever-present talk about how the "City" is losing its clout as a major financial player. It is not.

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Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:41 | 5162886 piratepiet
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which encyclopedia did you copy past that from ?

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:58 | 5162934 Dathedr
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Shouldn't be too hard to find out, I think. As for the source -- do not worry, it's a very reliable one.

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Sat, 08/30/2014 - 16:01 | 5162939 Dathedr
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http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/2195/

 

Here you go. Read this.

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Sat, 08/30/2014 - 16:01 | 5162943 Dathedr
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Any advice on how do I delete these pesky notifications on the bottom? Anyone?

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Sat, 08/30/2014 - 17:38 | 5163175 Dathedr
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Thanks.

 

p.s.

Forgot to put an interesting link.

 

The biggest scam in the history of mankind

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFDe5kUUyT0

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Sat, 08/30/2014 - 16:29 | 5163023 Karaio
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Dathedr: 

 

London was malquista outskirts of Rome, no one wanted to serve Army there. 

A dismal place where you see the sun most of the year, people who are nut as in Paris, people who do not bathe. 

History repeats itself, unfortunately. 

An uncle of mine used to make an analogy about churches and banks. 

Each society creates great cathedrals or large buildings such as offices according to their convictions. 

One day you will see banks as well: 

http://images112.fotki.com/v599/photos/5/215855/8922776/DSC01930-vi.jpg 

hehe.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 19:34 | 5163197 Dathedr
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I wouldn't mind seeing that hellhole from which we are ruled as it was in 50 AD when the Romans found it tbh. It's been a leech on the world for far too long.

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Sat, 08/30/2014 - 22:13 | 5163826 trulz4lulz
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Some rabbit holes are best left to the rabbits.

 

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:28 | 5162835 PontifexMaximus
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The real power is in the deepest friendship between angela and mario, more important than soldiers...

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 16:37 | 5162987 ekm1
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Nothing is more important than a loaded gun the head

 

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 16:40 | 5163049 piratepiet
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you would make a great American foreign policy adviser, ekm1, very sophisticated.

A read for you : Power : A Radical View.  Author : Steven Lukes

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:52 | 5162716 angel_of_joy
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The last time any real power was in London was during Maggie Thatcher's years. The last time any real power was in Berlin was when Hitler was still chancellor. Finally, the last time any real power was in Paris was during Napoleon's rule.

Conclusion: all these happened a hell of alot time ago...

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 16:20 | 5163004 Seer
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They're all/were all but puppets of the puppet masters.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 16:32 | 5163031 Lea
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angel_of_joy

Thatcher, Napoleon, Hilter... only butchers. So, to you, power is only brute force, I gather? No other definition comes to your mind, like knowledge, political power though pioneering ideas, sensible diplomacy, sane leadership or simply being right?

oh never mind, forget it. I doubt you would understand anyway.


Sat, 08/30/2014 - 17:58 | 5163239 Karaio
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Ow in its fiofó goes nothing? 

You were born brooder? 

You do not have grandparents who fought a war? 

It would be impolite to ask her skin color seen that in Africa there is much war in Europe. 

hehe. 

(this "hehe" hurts the soul of the people, I know).

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:14 | 5162779 Omen IV
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Mogherini new foreign minister - At 41 and in government only since February, they saw her as lacking the political experience and weight to stand up to the Kremlin

she will do whatever she is told!   all that is necessary

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 16:18 | 5162995 Karaio
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ekm1: 

You are wrong, very wrong. 

This staff does not produce food, only paper. 

You're a moth? 

Troll, go back to NSA or Israel. 

hehe. 

Oh, I just heard my granddaughter talk: 

The holiday weekend is as blue eye on ugly people Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:29 | 5162669 himaroid
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War, pestilence, famine, radiation, whatever. The whole damn world could die and none of the ancient cocksuckers that plague us like pelosi, mccain, feinstein, leahy, grassley, schumer etc would ever get a sniffle. The old bastards never die, and they damn sure don't fade away.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:37 | 5162692 kchrisc
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"The old bastards never die, and they damn sure don't fade away."

That is what guillotines are for.

An American,not US subject.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 14:55 | 5162733 himaroid
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