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It's Settled: Central Banks Trade S&P500 Futures

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Based on the unprecedented collapse in trading volumes of cash products over the past 6 years, one thing has become clear: retail, and increasingly, institutional investors and traders are gone, probably for ever and certainly until the Fed's market-distorting central planning ends. However, one entity appears to have taken the place of conventional equity traders: central banks.

Courtesy of an observation by Nanex's Eric Hunsader, we now know, with certainty and beyond merely speculation by tinfoil fringe blogs, that central banks around the world trade (and by "trade" we mean buy) S&P 500 futures such as the E-mini, in both futures and option form, as well as full size, and micro versions, in addition to the well-known central bank trading in Interest Rates, TSY and FX products.

In fact, central banks are such active traders, that the CME Globex has its own "Central Bank Incentive Program", designed to "incentivize" central banks to provide market liquidity, i.e., limit orders, by paying them (!) tiny rebates on every trade. Because central banks can't just print whatever money they need, apparently they need the CME to pay them to trade.

 

So the next time you sell some E-minis, ask yourself: is the ECB on the other side? Or the BOE? Or, perhaps, you are selling S&P 500 futures to Kuroda. Who knows: there is no paper trail anywhere, although a FOIA request and/or the discovery from a lawsuit, class action or otherwise, of the CME's central bank incentive program would likely yield some stunning results.

But the only place where "discovery" would be by far the most interesting, is for the CME to disclose just which central banks provide, or take such as at 8am every morning when one market sell order takes out the entire bid staack, the most liquidity when it comes to central bank trades in "Metals Futures Contracts (Physicals)."

Because imagine the shock and awe if and when it is uncovered that the biggest active manipulators of gold are not some junior-level traders out of Britain's criminal bank cartel, but the central banks themselves.

Finally, while the list above deals with international central banks "providing" ES liquidity, those wondering why the NY Fed is not on the list and just how the Fed's active trading team participates in the market without breaking the law, we have just one word: Citadel.

Source: Modifications to Central Bank Incentive Program. CME/CBOT/NYMEX/COMEX #14-038

 

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Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:17 | 5162787 nope-1004
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Cuz grandma and grandpa's money is still "on the sidelines".  lol.  This is proof of the obvious fake levitation and manipulation.

 

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:30 | 5162846 Deathrips
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Lack of free market fundamentals is going to fuck them all up the ass...but they are trying to get grandma and grandpa first.

 

Pussy Ass Fuckers!!! Fuckin with Grammy?

Markets up cause dollars buy less.

MYRA next?

 

 

 

 

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:47 | 5162887 El Oregonian
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This will not end well... Trust me...

Just keep on stack'in and fergeddaboud-it....

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 16:17 | 5162992 NidStyles
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Nope. No conflict of interest there. Nope no way, no how

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 16:32 | 5163033 knukles
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Hah ha ha ha ha ha ha
I love it when a Conspiracy Theory becomes Conspiracy Fact

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 16:54 | 5163088 max2205
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Selling to a senator or CONgress person too.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 17:08 | 5163110 NoDebt
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We all knew it was happening, but when faced with proof I still find myself a little stunned.

I am rarely stunned by the truth.

At lseast given the dates on this offering, we're good through the end of the year.  As for the start date... July 2013... why does that ring a bell?

And, of course, now we know why the Fed is routing though Belgium and God knows where else.  Only foreign central banks can participate.  So had the money to Belgium and have them do it for you.

Among the many questions I have, probably the first one to mind is this:  How long has this been going on?  Surely July 2013 is not the first time such a program has been offered.  As for the end date, we all know when that will be: never.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 17:11 | 5163132 rehypothecator
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Central banks need incentives, like $1 commissions, but retail investors do not.  Because without the incentives, central banks wouldn't buy trillions of dollars of S&P.  But retail investors would.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 18:00 | 5163245 AlaricBalth
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Did we seriously think that Kevin Henry of the FRBNY sat around all day watching porn?
The man is working those markets!!!!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-26/help-us-oh-kevin-henry-you-are-...

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 18:18 | 5163281 Squid-puppets a...
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well, no, not all day

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 18:31 | 5163320 SMG
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Well there's another conspiracy "theory"  proven as actual conspiracy fact.

Isn't this all illegal? 

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 18:36 | 5163330 Squid-puppets a...
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well, govt make dem rules

what it is, however, is nationalisation by stealth

ask any politician in public if nationalisation is the solution and theyd scream 'EVIL COMMUNISM!!!'

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 19:17 | 5163418 Majestic12
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"what it is, however, is nationalisation by stealth"

Please tell me this is sarc?  Your spelling is UK, so it is possible you are intimating that everyone here is a redneck, staunch anti-communist....

However, the UK thrives on a steady diet of Head Cheese, Blood Sausage and Sheep's Balls....so, you are statistically most likely a pig-fucking, pedophile, tranny who works in an "abattoir"....

Central banks are "private", thus making these actions "privitiZation"...of "public" tax monies.....the gains, anyway.....

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 20:43 | 5163626 Tabarnaque
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They are still lying. They forgot to put commodity futures and gold and silver on their list... Bastards.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 20:56 | 5163664 Bohm Squad
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re:  Gold and Silver...I thought we were talking about things they were buying?

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 21:00 | 5163675 Tabarnaque
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If you look at the official document they mention: incentive to "trade" the following items. In my book you can trade either on the long or short side... ;-)

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 01:10 | 5164075 Wait What
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like they're ever going to ruin the game by selling short?
recall what happens when SHTF: 'short bans'
the narrative can only be maintained if prices keep going UP.
as a bonus, their losses never have to see daylight, because they're obviously not accountable to anyone.
the greatest ponzi scheme humanity has ever seen

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 02:36 | 5164140 Drunk In Church
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The market has reached its peak.  But this isn't good news for the gold bugs.  Precious metals will end up taking a beating.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 10:17 | 5164407 GetZeeGold
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My mattress stuffed full of Zimbabwe bucks is all I need to get me through the tough times ahead.

 

Got a couple Benjis in there as well.....just in case.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:17 | 5165067 Manthong
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Does Kevin lift green boxes that have a West Point band around them?

We need to fill them with lead and make him do that 'till he drops.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:38 | 5165317 Raymond K Hessel
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It's "incent", not "incentivize".  As in it's "regardless" not "irregardless"

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:24 | 5165289 scraping_by
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Not a peak, really. A peak is sharp, and has a down slope. This is a plateau. As far as the eye can see.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 20:55 | 5163658 Squid-puppets a...
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nar, no sarc - if it is govt policy to buy stocks , it does constitute a peicemeal/clandestine nationalization.

i take your point in the case of the Fed being private and only pretending to be .gov. Other central banks around the world are, however an extension of govt. But given it all gets funnelled to the oligarchy one way or another so my point is kinda moot

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 09:44 | 5170726 Weisshaupt
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You own a printing press. You print money and give it to your friends.  You do so with full support of law and government. Bribes are paid to politicians to continue the charade.

Does that not make the government complicit in the crime?  Can not the government at any time extort whatever it wants from those actually engaging in the farce?

Follow the money. Big government MEANS Big Corruption and cronyism. It means Economic Fascism. And it will happen every time because of human nature.

All forms of leftism are fundamentally the  same-  Socialism, Communism, fascism ( Crony Capitalism)  - the only differences between them is the lie they tell to justify using government force to uphold the theft of property and enslavement  of those who actually produce value.

When the left complains about "private parties" benefiting from these arrangements - they are only complaining about the size of their cut - feeling that the average non-contributing zero deserves a bigger cut of the criminal enterprise  for voting for the criminals in govt  than the crime bosses working for the government. At no point are they actually suggesting that such corruption shouldn't continue.  If it did stop then they would have to survive by providing value to others in a mutal and VOLUNTARY exchange, and that  would mean that they starve.

 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 10:01 | 5167214 JRobby
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Isn't this all illegal?

Thanks, still laughing my ass off. Nice to laugh on a "banking holiday"

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 23:00 | 5163906 TheReplacement
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How long until the CBs own everything is one follow up question.  Another, maybe more or less important depending on the first answer, is are the CBs trying to buy everything?  As to why, I think we can all figure out why they would.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 10:10 | 5167236 Ginsengbull
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Why?

 

Don't they already own enough?

 

Or do they want to own, buy, and sell us too?

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 17:15 | 5168835 Nick Jihad
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why would they ever need to sell?

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 16:56 | 5165508 SAT 800
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That;s so sick. That's a real ice bucket challenge. I feel like I got hit in the head with a dead fish. What the fuck do these jerk offs think they're doing. Liquidity, my ass.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 18:59 | 5163375 JamesBond
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You can't control it all unless you control it all.

 

jb

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 10:14 | 5167240 Tall Tom
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At 7:07 AM PST I checked the prices of Gold, Silver and Platinum, on Kitco, as they are trading on the London Market. (US Markets are closed due to Labor Day.

 

All of the Metals were at the price which they had opened. NO CHANGE in price.

 

What are the odds that it happened randomly? (Silver is trading at 1/10,000th of a cent.)

 

They are not even trying to hide this anymore.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 19:03 | 5163381 herohedge
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This will not end well... Trust me...

It would be nice if prices became halfway sane again. We only see good companies with dividend yields greater than 1.5% during market meltdowns.

Also, I think we should expose the holdings so that people of all the countries can get their fair distribution of equity ownership and usher in the Marxism dream. (yeah right)

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 19:33 | 5163448 Majestic12
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"Pussy Ass Fuckers!!! Fuckin with Grammy?"

Putting the words "pussy"..."ass" ....and ....."Grammy" al together in one sentence is gonna make me puke....and probably many others too....

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 20:27 | 5163591 Bangin7GramRocks
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There are plenty of really fuckable 40-50 year old grannies. Free your mind and your ass will follow. 

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 23:01 | 5163907 TheReplacement
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That makes me feel so sad for you.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 01:12 | 5164077 Wait What
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cougar strike!

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:26 | 5165291 scraping_by
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"They don't yell; they don't tell; they don't swell; and they're grateful as hell."

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 08:07 | 5167047 bonderøven-farm ass
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I think gram'ma is running out of orifices for the Fed to profane....

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 10:07 | 5167231 Ginsengbull
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Do not google that combination of words.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 17:17 | 5168844 Nick Jihad
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Sigh. Now instead of ads for AnastasiaDate.com, it's back to CougarLife ads. Thanks a bunch.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 16:04 | 5162940 angel_of_joy
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It's the same circle jerk that was always functioning in FOREX, except now it applies to stocks. Big fucking surprise... not !

We are already at the point where we can speak of "free markets" as a theoretical concept only, and at past tense...

Next step: free speech !

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 10:54 | 5164496 Kaiser Sousa
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cnbc will be all over this....

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 11:21 | 5164543 Fred Hayek
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Yes, on their Bizarro world broadcast.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 11:32 | 5164558 remain calm
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When CNBC can no longer hide from the truth, Liesman will actually explain to all us dumb fucks how this is good for the markets. The sooner people like him are destroyed the sooner the the rebirth can happen.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 10:03 | 5167222 JRobby
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With total silence

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 16:58 | 5165515 SAT 800
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All major banks have always been the market makers in Forex; that's natural, money is there business. But buying and selling metals contracts, and S&P500 contracts by Central Banks, UGH ! That;s not natural, that's sick.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 10:57 | 5164501 New_Meat
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THIS! is settled science.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 12:24 | 5164694 Kirk2NCC1701
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Whaddya mean they are "Trading S & P Futures"?

I thought they were "Trading OUR Futures".

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 10:04 | 5167224 JRobby
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They were done with that 40 years ago

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 08:33 | 5167069 RiverRoad
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What happens when they all run for the exits?

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:16 | 5162789 Wolferl
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Plunge protection team at work. Buy staaaawks, bitches.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:26 | 5162829 Gringo Viejo
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Well, if you're cutting up strips of paper, calling it money, and forcing people to use it as such at the point of a gun.......

you damn well better do SOMETHING to keep it propped up.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 16:20 | 5162998 Cognitive Dissonance
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"You're gonna use these pretty (electronic) strips of paper and you're gonna LIKE it." - Grandma Yellen as she waves around a .38 snub-nose.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 21:15 | 5163700 LongMarch
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Yellen has just given a press conference where she explains how it all works.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4W0qUaM9xQ

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 11:39 | 5164570 remain calm
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Oh, that is Janet in her younger years when she was on the board of the Federal Reserve. She is a little more discrete now.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 07:46 | 5167027 GetZeeGold
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They did it with the best of intentions....and they're really sorry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPHuE5pDlEs

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:32 | 5162852 Omen IV
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Presumably a short player doesnt want the risk -

but a long investor doesnt see anything other than a momentum play since there is no value or real growth or buy backs - so does it take very few dollars for CB to keep the market where it is or inching higher with very low volume and committments?

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:16 | 5162794 Seize Mars
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Motherfuckers.

Fuck them.

I will never trade again. Fuck it, I'm out.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:47 | 5162806 nope-1004
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And after the market bounced back up in 2008 right after Il Duce's speech, and after silver was clobbered within hours of "killing" Bin Laden in 2011, you thought this shit was real?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMjXbuj7BPI&list=UUEHsSWvrGVSIA63OV3J6vhA

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:50 | 5162913 TN Jed
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Sunday Bloody Sunday (night)  I'll never forget that.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 16:05 | 5162953 john39
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but remember bitchez, the Matrix was just a movie...

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 19:37 | 5163454 Ness.
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Invest.  Don't trade.  Buy what you need and can afford without debt.  Enjoy time with your family.  Leave these assholes out of your life equation.  

 

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 10:55 | 5164499 Kaiser Sousa
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bout fucking time...
what'd u think - u gonna win in their RIGGED roach markets.....?

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:17 | 5162798 algol_dog
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Central Bamks and algo's - You can't loose.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:18 | 5162799 AldousHuxley
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Fed balance sheet: 4 TRILLION AND GROWING

 

https://static-ssl.businessinsider.com/image/5346bceb69bedd6a23c62d87-96...

 

And it is not just US Fed either... ECB, Bank of Japan, Chinese are all in it too.

 

Addiction has no cure except self destruction.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 16:06 | 5162959 john39
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except that, you have to take their word for it on the 4 trillion number right?  anyone really want to stake their life on the truth of that figure?

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 16:18 | 5162996 Winston Churchill
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Plus the $12tn they pumped in 2008.

Don't know which set of books its in, but I doubt it was ever paid back .

Just as well they are audited every year.

Oh wait........

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 18:13 | 5163268 nope-1004
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Whatever happened to the $2 Trillion missing from the Pentagon back on Sept 10, 2001?  If you add up all these trillions floating around, no wonder Gold has to be manipulated with such vigor.

 

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 19:37 | 5163459 raki_d
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So relatively US fed is still faring better. Every one prints $ wins. Where is the issue ?

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 01:20 | 5164090 The_Dude
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Theft, asshole....theft.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 07:49 | 5167031 GetZeeGold
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Generational theft......you might get off the hook.....but your grandkids won't.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:18 | 5162804 PontifexMaximus
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The program started on July 1st, 2013. Did I miss something or is it THE explanation ?

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:20 | 5162805 Skateboarder
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Program term started last July and ends this December, so it's actually in the last quarter. Let's consider it the new norm if the program renews Jan 1st.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 17:10 | 5163130 NoDebt
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Do you really have any doubt the program will be renewed?  Nothing in the world so permanent as a temporary government program.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:19 | 5162807 Racer
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Central banksters criminal cartel getting paid to manipulate, whodathought!

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:20 | 5162808 DavidC
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The Berlin Wall was never going to come down until it did.

Although no one can say when, their desperation is such that it WILL fail at some point. If they're buying up crap fixed income and crap stocks just to keep the 'markets' up (except gold and silver of course) what happens when they've got everything and there's nothing left?

DavidC

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 16:05 | 5162955 angel_of_joy
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Entire world is full of crap ?

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 10:24 | 5164428 GetZeeGold
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Starting to look that way.

 

 

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 16:06 | 5162956 angel_of_joy
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Double, sorry...

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:24 | 5162814 Seasmoke
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If I weren't a peaceful person , For what i KNOW they have done to Gold price, I would kill these fuckers. Perhaps someone out there isn't a peaceful person and takes care of them.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 19:47 | 5163482 Ness.
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Dear #NSA,

 

I down voted this comment.  Please add this post to my permanent folder.  I might need it later.

 

Thanks and Keep up the Good Work.

 

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:23 | 5162820 Racer
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This is the ultimate martigale trade played by those with printing presses, extremely terrifying thought!

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 00:30 | 5164015 Supernova Born
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Spot on.

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/forex/06/martingale.asp "...The problem with this strategy is that to achieve 100% profitability, you need to have very deep pockets; in some cases, they must be infinitely deep.

No one has infinite wealth..." [from the discussion on Investopedia]

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 07:58 | 5164285 actionjacksonbrownie
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Zimbabwae seems to have a lot of money... I can only assume that one or two other countries' central banks have a lot of "money" also

 

just sayin'

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:24 | 5162824 Burticus
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Markets?!  We don't need no stinkin' markets!  Vamanos!

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:29 | 5162842 ebworthen
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Liquidity = public treasury funded economic diarrhea.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:31 | 5162843 ekm1
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Still think that I'm dumb and stupid for saying that there is a central command controlling the VIDEO GAME NETWORK SYSTEM called Financial Market?

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:35 | 5162862 Dr. Engali
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Please, some of us have been saying that loooonnnggg ago.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:38 | 5162879 ekm1
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true

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:38 | 5162877 TN Jed
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I stream DOW, S&P and DayZ on Twitch.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 20:36 | 5163607 dogfish
Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:30 | 5162844 agent default
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I wonder who has been dumping gold contracts like crazy at 3:00AM every time gold breaks above $1300.  Any tin foil hat theories on this?

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:51 | 5162912 hedgeless_horseman
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His name was Janet Yellen.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 18:12 | 5163269 Watson
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People might be better employed thinking how gold got to nearly USD2,000 and then lost around one-third.

Personally, I think the problem is debt: too much (grossly too much), all around the world, in all sectors of all economies.
And the surprise is that the (deflationary) collapse has not already occurred.

It does not matter how cheap you make money, if no-one (willingly) wants to borrow...and linked to a modern world where the marginal cost of production (for manufactured goods, at least) is near zero...

Think about it.

Watson

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:30 | 5162845 jubber
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Guess CNBC will be all over this next week exposing the corruption and fixing ....LOL

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 17:15 | 5163142 NoDebt
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I just began holding my breath.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 17:47 | 5163216 Eyeroller
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Maybe Lie-awatha Warren will mention it.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 11:38 | 5164575 Fred Hayek
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Well, let's see. All we have to do is go through our handy dandy Elizabeth Warren possibility of pursuing an issue flow chart to see if she'll say anything:

1) Is this an issue that appeals to the blue team? If no, stop. If yes, go on to #2.
2) Is this an issue that, if publicized, will upset my bribe givers, er, donators of campaign funds? If yes, stop. If no, go on to #3.
3) Will this issue, in any way, remind people of how I falsely claimed membership in a minority group (American Indian) to get ahead in life? If yes, stop. If no, go on to #4.
4) Is this an issue that my cadaverous senate leader does not allow me to talk about? If yes, stop. If no, go on to #5.
5) Could this issue result in a botox embargo thereby gaining me the everlasting enmity of Nancy Pelosi and John Kerry? If yes, stop. If no, go on to #6.
6) Will speaking out on this issue highlight problems at the core of our economic system?
If yes, stop. If no, go on to #7.
7) Will speaking out on this issue be meaningless but be good for public relations?
If yes, run, don't walk, to the nearest microphone? If no, forget it.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 08:09 | 5167049 GetZeeGold
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Elizabeth Warren....the faux injun?

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:32 | 5162849 Watson
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1. If CBs were trading Comex products in size, why would Comex feel the need to offer an incentive program to them?

2. The program only started on 1 July 2013 when the market bottom was in 2009, so this looks irrelevant to 2010 - 2012, a period of substantial stock market rise.

The announcement relates to non-US CBs. People might want to investigate for evidence of the Fed's participation in equity products.

Watson

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 16:21 | 5163006 Winston Churchill
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Quid pro quo ?

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 18:46 | 5163351 Squid-puppets a...
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squid pro quo

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 16:26 | 5163020 Cognitive Dissonance
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How do you know this is the original and only program? From my perspective all you know are dates for THIS 'incentive' program.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 17:36 | 5163186 WhackoWarner
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I was just about to point that out.  INCENTIVES program is just the "on sale" teaser.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 17:47 | 5163213 Watson
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If there had been any earlier programs, and they had been successful, you wouldn't need this one.
So if there were any earlier programs, they were unsuccessful - which in this context means too few deals to have any meaningful market effect.

I would concentrate on looking for proof as to whether or not the Fed is active.

Watson

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 20:47 | 5163636 r0mulus
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how do you know that they "wouldn't need this one". are you sure this kind of program is a one-time offer? i feel like that would be a really big leap of faith.

i'm personally looking at it and seeing the program ending just after elections.

why couldn't there have been multiple offerings of similar style programs? perhaps this is only the latest one with particular rates on offering?

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 11:42 | 5164586 Fred Hayek
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Exactly!
These are simply the latest rates.

Before July 2013 it was capitalism half off. Now it's capitalism 70% off.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 01:42 | 5164107 The_Dude
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What it is is direct evidence of the CBs desperate attempts to maintain control as the situation worsens beyond TARP, TALP, QEs++ and now direct market intervention....how long before we get to war as the great default?

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:32 | 5162851 Mike in GA
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Only draining the swamp will expose the fraud and only collapse drains the swamp.  Lawsuits lead to destroyed evidence, fall guys and foot-dragging obfuscation.  No collapse, no justice, no price discovery.

The evidence is mounting that the end game is at hand for this Keynesian experiment so I remain optimistic we may yet see some truth revealed.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 17:51 | 5163223 espirit
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The Mudsuckers have proven they can hold their breath for...centuries.

Even if you drain the swamp to dry ground, pissing a little fiat on them brings em' back to life.

Beheading is the only recourse.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:34 | 5162856 Newager23
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Spend and pretend! That's basically been our economic policy since 2008. Anyone with a brain knows this will have a bad outcome. If it was possible to solve a debt problem with more debt we wouldn't have a budget deficit and everyone would be driving new cars.

The only question left to answer is why did they think this could work? History is not going to be kind to the policy makers who caused severe hardship. Once this mess collapses the quality of life will drop dramatically for most people. In fact, I would surmise that our way of life will likely be lost. 

Once the US loses its ability to borrow money, it is going to be painful for nearly everyone. Policy makers think this is impossible, but look where we are today. Central banks are printing money to roll over debt. The only way we can borrow money is from ourselves! How long can that last? Anyone who doesn't think we are in a countdown is naive.

The ugly part is that we may fall so hard that we don't recover. America could literally be broken up. That possibility it more real than most imagine.

Most days I feel like I'm living in a world who's days are numbered. Not a world that going away, just a new one that won't be as plesant. Today we are living on easy street, but it won't last much longer. 1 year? 2 years. It won't be long now.

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Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:38 | 5162878 Racer
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"Spend and pretend! That's basically been our economic policy since 2008. Anyone with a brain knows this will have a bad outcome. If it was possible to solve a debt problem with more debt we wouldn't have a budget deficit and everyone would be driving new cars.

The only question left to answer is why did they think this could work?"

Because you have morons like these at the top:

Biden:  'you have to spend money to save from going bankrupt'

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 18:03 | 5163252 Watson
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To be fair to the US, 'spend and pretend' had been a policy followed by most of the West since 1945 (Germany was an exception, I think).

The US just has bigger problems because it is starting to go through the gut-wrenching experience of the British, namely losing status as world premier economic power, and along with it loss of reserve currency status.

FWIW, although worth investigating, I would worry a lot less about whether or not the Fed is playing around with S&P contracts, than thinking about what happens when China removes all restrictions on the holding and transfer of Yuan and Chinese govvies.

Watson

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:35 | 5162858 Dr. Engali
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This comes a surprise? The "markets" are a policy tool and they won't be permitted to collapse until there is an appropriate excuse to let them. Now that we have that brute Putin and that scarier than AL-CIA-DUH , Isis we have two good excuses. Beware, when they let it go there will be no escape.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:35 | 5162860 Took Red Pill
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So let me get this straight. The central banks use money created out of thin air to buy stocks so the rich can get richer. No wonder it keeps going up & up no matter bad news or fundamentals!

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:58 | 5162929 barre-de-rire
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mainly why nothing will happen until the real economy can no longer supply ppl of financial economy.

 

revolution can never happen if totalitarism is well approached & set up.

 

i think they work on that.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 22:43 | 5163876 RafterManFMJ
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Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows that the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
That's how it goes
Everybody knows

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 06:09 | 5164064 Supernova Born
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Food price inflation is how this falls apart.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 07:53 | 5167032 GetZeeGold
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Phase one.....smaller packaging has worked splendidly.....but people are starting to notice.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 12:49 | 5164762 Zigs
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I was in the retail business for thirty years.  It's easy to put a price on something.  It's a heck of a lot harder to sell it at that price.  In fact, much was ultimately discounted to 50% off or more. Market valuation is relatively easy to create.  Getting that value is a different reality.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:35 | 5162861 TN Jed
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Aaaand nobody cares. People with money in the market want the status quo and people without money in the market have no idea why they should care.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 17:50 | 5163217 Eyeroller
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People without money in the market have a 401k that has grown nicely in the last 5 years.  Once that takes a big hit there will be revolution.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:35 | 5162867 HUGE_Gamma
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so lets all open short positions and trade against the central banks.. right?

 

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:36 | 5162869 bh2
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This document doesn't limit participation to foreign central banks only.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:37 | 5162870 debtor of last ...
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Awesome Tylers. In a world of riddles, you're the hedge.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:42 | 5162889 Racer
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And what is the reason they had to suddenly have this incentive program? So many years after the problem?

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:42 | 5162890 SyndicateOne
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Wonder why so much wall street money goes to Obama and the Dems? This is why. Their buddies are now in control and funnelling huge amounts of money to not only stabalize the markets but also push it up. This in return boosts hedge fund returns which in turn boosts their fees which in tern gets spent back to Democrat Wall Street fundraisers. The big circle. The funny thing is the Dems have convinced the stupid in this country that the Republicans are the party of the rich Wall Street class. Ha! It's the complete opposite and they get away with it.

 

 

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 16:17 | 5162990 11b40
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Whichever party has the majority is the party of Wall St.  Going in to election season, Wall St. Places bets on both, with the most going to the party with the most momentum.  Once in, it's grab all you can.

You might want to Google K Street Project, or just hit this:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2003/0307.confessore.html

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:42 | 5162891 SyndicateOne
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Wonder why so much wall street money goes to Obama and the Dems? This is why. Their buddies are now in control and funnelling huge amounts of money to not only stabalize the markets but also push it up. This in return boosts hedge fund returns which in turn boosts their fees which in tern gets spent back to Democrat Wall Street fundraisers. The big circle. The funny thing is the Dems have convinced the stupid in this country that the Republicans are the party of the rich Wall Street class. Ha! It's the complete opposite and they get away with it.

 

 

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:48 | 5162906 Dr. Engali
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How many republicans do you hear talking about evil wallstreeters? ..........Crickets....... That's what I thought. Both parties are bought and paid for, they each act out different rolls for their owners.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:52 | 5162924 TN Jed
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Thank you.  I know the Liberal media is disgusting but that's only to incentivize a vitriolic debate, never allowing for a true discussion.  Please stop falling into that trap.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 17:38 | 5163189 r00t61
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I see that SyndicateOne is another victim of the Pro-Wrestling Kabuki Theater Show otherwise known as politics.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 16:42 | 5163058 Ban KKiller
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We have TWO parties?

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 18:27 | 5165759 lotsoffun
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seems to me, well yes.  one party sucks up the votes from the people that think they are liberal and the other from people that think they are conservative, and then no matter who gets voted in, they all work together to screw us and make the MIC fantasy dreams come true.

the only competition really is, if you can screw the other party and get elected, you not only get the .gov pay check, but continue to get your lobbying illegal $$.

 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 08:12 | 5167037 GetZeeGold
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We have TWO parties?

 

We have four parties. The progressive republicans and democrats (third party) hate the Tea Party...which would be the fourth party.

I'm a fiscal conservative....and I can't stand those damn progressive republicans. I mean come on, moon bases......really?

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 08:32 | 5167068 Ghordius
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does not matter. what you have is a voting system based on the assumption that one person wins the only seat in one district... and that this is satisfactory for the majority and representative for the district's people

though you constantly re-district and change residency, which interestingly is the reason why the system works at all

damned funny for me (as a non-resident, non-visiting foreigner) how a country that loves choice so much is so restrictive with it when it comes to voting systems

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 05:25 | 5164206 hootowl
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The Repugnicans and the Demoncraps are working both sides of the same street to fascism/socialism/progressiveism/communism/totalitarianism/authoritarianism/NWO Beast government.  The final results of their dark works will come as more of a shock to them than to us who have read The end of The Book.

History writ large before it even happens.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 17:47 | 5163211 JimS
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OK, fuckhead, quit drinking the red/blue kool aid. Open up your fucking eyes and see the daylight. It's us against both fucked up groups in CONgress.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:52 | 5162910 HUGE_Gamma
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lol at central banks trading micro fx products

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:50 | 5162911 Tim Knight from...
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INCENTIVIZE?

When you hear made-up, bullshit words like this, you know you are dealing with charlatans.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:40 | 5165319 Raymond K Hessel
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Yes.  Thank you.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:54 | 5162926 wisefool
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"Tiny Tin Foil Blogs" ???? LMAOROTHF.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 15:58 | 5162933 CHX
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Now WHO would have thought... SO surprised... Not. 

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 16:02 | 5162942 OC Sure
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How about a column/category in the COT report for the authoritarian banks?

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 16:02 | 5162947 Amish Hacker
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  When the CB buys, say, call options, and the market responds by going up, does the CB avoid undoing the trade by allowing the in-the-money calls to expire unexercised ?

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 16:06 | 5162960 EconoIdiot
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All the "Hot $$$" has to be used to further strengthen the fiat wealth illusion.  When the mirage fades so does the imaginary wealth.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 16:11 | 5162968 Spungo
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Uncut trees are now considered future cash on the sidelines.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 17:07 | 5163122 logicalman
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Canadian bills are now made of plastic.

I guess that's why we need the oil sands.

Sat, 08/30/2014 - 17:18 | 5163151 ThankYouSatan
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And they say, "the fed prints money out a thin air". Idiots!

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