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The Hard Life Of The First American
Submitted by Erico Tavares of Sinclair & Co.
The Hard Life of the First American
A forthcoming book titled “Kennewick Man: The Scientific Investigation of an Ancient American Skeleton” provides a very detailed account of what might have been the life of this remarkable American ancestor, who roamed Washington State 9,000 years ago. His skeleton was found by chance almost two decades ago, enabling scientists to glimpse into an era which is all but forgotten.
While genetic testing is still ongoing, the thin shape of his skull suggests that he is from Polynesian descent, not Native American as was previously thought. Some two thousand after the end of the last Ice Age humans were already crisscrossing the planet.
At 5ft 7 inches and 163 lbs (74 kg) the "First American" was very sturdy, going after big game animals such as deer, antelopes and sheep. However, he survived primarily on fish and marine mammals, drinking glacial melt-water. He was likely right handed.
But this man had a very hard life. He died at 40 for unknown reasons, after sustaining some major injuries during his lifetime, including major blows to the head, as well as broken ribs as a result of an impact trauma that never healed properly. His shoulder was damaged from the constant stress of throwing spears. And most incredibly, a spear lodged deep into his pelvis was also found, which must have been very painful to live with for several years.
His man-made injuries raise some interesting questions. While they may have resulted from an accident, like a spear gone astray during a hunting expedition, squaring off with patterns from other ancient tribes suggests that serious conflicts among humans must have been a regular fact of life back then. Our ancestors from that era lived in a world which was far less than idyllic.
And this legacy continued throughout the centuries. Native Americans appear to have been in a constant state of warfare, with many tribes becoming extinct well before the arrival of Columbus. Not only did these tribes have to compete for food but also genes, where problems associated with inbreeding likely led to the common practice of raiding one another for women and slaves. The arrival of the Europeans did not make things any better, and not before long they were also fighting among each other.
It took us 9,000 years – the equivalent of 225 Kennewick Man lives – to get to where we are today. Thankfully things are much better now. Cooperation, education, innovation and exploring new frontiers have proven to be incredibly more productive endeavors to our survival and quality of life than warfare and conflict.
And yet, as a species it appears we still have a lot to do here. If he were alive today, the First American might have agreed.
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If only the poor bastard had signed up for Obamacare.
Get a life! Talk about tunnel vision and ignorance personified.
^^Get a clue! Talk about tunnel vision and ignorance personified. ^^
Maybe his ex wife tried to kill him. I love it how these honkies go on to paint the native americans as savages that were killing each other before we stepped in and did it right to exterminate them before another tribe was lost to another tribe.
I am against this misinformation crap.
So the first dudes were polynesians, damn those dudes are great sailors. Thousands of years before Magellan and Cooksters
7 IQ points is a lot in evolutionary terms. The difference between a spear and a gun. The difference between a coordinated attack and chaos.
IQ is nothing compared to concentrated energy. What has advanced man so much is fossil fuels.
Without persistent and steadily increasing energy supplies the human endeavor starts to hit bumps. Some of the bumps in the road ahead look likely to catapult us back to the time of savages.
@COSMOS
Don't believe the Noble Savage Myth, check out War Before Civilization by Lawrence Keeley;
The myth of the peace-loving "noble savage" is persistent and pernicious. Indeed, for the last fifty years, most popular and scholarly works have agreed that prehistoric warfare was rare, harmless, unimportant, and, like smallpox, a disease of civilized societies alone. Prehistoric warfare, according to this view, was little more than a ritualized game, where casualties were limited and the effects of aggression relatively mild. Lawrence Keeley's groundbreaking War Before Civilization offers a devastating rebuttal to such comfortable myths and debunks the notion that warfare was introduced to primitive societies through contact with civilization (an idea he denounces as "the pacification of the past").
Building on much fascinating archeological and historical research and offering an astute comparison of warfare in civilized and prehistoric societies, from modern European states to the Plains Indians of North America, War Before Civilization convincingly demonstrates that prehistoric warfare was in fact more deadly, more frequent, and more ruthless than modern war. To support this point, Keeley provides a wide-ranging look at warfare and brutality in the prehistoric world. He reveals, for instance, that prehistorical tactics favoring raids and ambushes, as opposed to formal battles, often yielded a high death-rate; that adult males falling into the hands of their enemies were almost universally killed; and that surprise raids seldom spared even women and children. Keeley cites evidence of ancient massacres in many areas of the world, including the discovery in South Dakota of a prehistoric mass grave containing the remains of over 500 scalped and mutilated men, women, and children (a slaughter that took place a century and a half before the arrival of Columbus). In addition, Keeley surveys the prevalence of looting, destruction, and trophy-taking in all kinds of warfare and again finds little moral distinction between ancient warriors and civilized armies. Finally, and perhaps most controversially, he examines the evidence of cannibalism among some preliterate peoples.
Keeley is a seasoned writer and his book is packed with vivid, eye-opening details (for instance, that the homicide rate of prehistoric Illinois villagers may have exceeded that of the modern United States by some 70 times). But he also goes beyond grisly facts to address the larger moral and philosophical issues raised by his work. What are the causes of war? Are human beings inherently violent? How can we ensure peace in our own time? Challenging some of our most dearly held beliefs, Keeley's conclusions are bound to stir controversy.
http://www.amazon.com/War-Before-Civilization-Peaceful-Savage/dp/0195119...
Yep, the only difference is we now have weapons which could kill us all. But everything else is the same. Watch 'On the Beach' (1959).
So if Rousseau's 'Noble Savage' is indeed a myth, i.e., Not True, then that means that the ground condition of NO GOVERNMENT cannot possibly lead to peaceful coexistence among humans who only trade but never raid.
Or is there some magic kUMbaYa formula that the Libertardians are keeping a closely-guarded secret?
No one, absolutely nobody, was American until well after Christopher Columbus landed on the Bahamas.
Everyone knows America refers to the country with 50 states, where people speak English, and celebrate both Columbus Day and Independence Day every motherfucking year!!!
Still, the 1/16th of my conscience that is American Indian feels terrible about all that precolumbian savagery.
It's funny that the idiots that like to say things like 'libertardian' never fail to misrepresent their position ala "NO GOVERNMENT". An utterly idiotic thing to say. You should sit down and shut the fuck up if you're not going to even try to say something truthful, shit for brains.
You could at minimum learn who are the most frequent commenters around here and what they believe before you post. I was poking a stick at 'Anusocracy' above me, who had posted a passage from a book arguing against the 'Noble Savage' myth. Which is highly ironic, since Anusocracy actually does believe in NO GOVERNMENT if you follow his previous posts. If you believe the same, then nobody can help you either.
The solution is simple:
Exclude the savages from from civilization and kill them if try to enter it. Do you live in a home where wild predators are allowed? Only if you are stupid.
Human predators, like animal predators, are a small minority. They can be bred out of H. sapiens.
The uncivilized are an anathema to civilization.
Honestly, I can't figure out if half the people here seriously believe some of the things they post. I've been tempted to troll myself, it provides such rich entertainment.
Honestly, I can't understand why 99% of the population thinks that everyone else is their property.
My point is that everyone should live by their beliefs and NOBODY should force their beliefs on anyone else. If they try, you are allowed to kill them.
It took 50 generations for Russian researchers to breed wild Siberian foxes so that they weren't aggressive.
Selectively killing people who initiate the use of force would do the same and H. sapiens would finally merit the name human.
You can't see the irony in your assertion that killing is the answer to the use of force? (To clarify, the irony is that it's your assertion.) It's telling that Anarchists can't think of any other way to enforce their utopian dream of non-aggression except by the use of aggression.
My social justice warrier friend tells me that in the past men and women worked together in peace and harmony, shareing all duties and having weekly drum circles with neighboring tribes. We are by nature a peace loving and docile species who has been dehumanized by evil bourgeois males. How can this possibly be wrong?
That is true in the tribes that discovered weed.
What I want to know is why Captain Pickard died in Kennewick WA nine thousand years ago.
By the term "Prehistoric Illinois Villagers" you must be referring to the hood in Chicago... I don't see the prehistoric homicide rate exceeding the current homicide rate in Chicago by 70 Times, hell, there would be no one left to kill within 2 years. Some things never change though, anybody living in ShitCago should really think about this ......
Another great book that forcefully debunks the myth of the peaceful savage is Allan Eckhart's "The Frontiersmen", a meticulously researched (and thoroughly documented) historical novel. The Indian tribes of the Northwest Territory were, virtually without exception, bloodthirsty murderers who relished torturing their enemies mercilessly and were simply incapable of living any other lifestyle than that of perpetually warring tribes. When someone like Tecumseh attempted to unite them in the face of the White man, the effort proved a miserable failure as they simply weren't capable of either any kind of sensible unified action, or alternatively, successfully assimilating into white culture. That is a formula for extinction.
It's no coincidence that one of the foundational cornerstones of the Cultural Marxist rewriting of American history is the ridiculous myths about the "peaceful noble Native Americans" and how they didn't have everything to do with their own demise.
All true. I read a detailed historical biography of the French explorer Champlain who founded French Canada in 1608. He was one of the first to clearly document the state of the Indian tribes of Upper New York and the St. Lawernce River systems. He was not an Indian hater, but one who really felt almost a family tie to natives. He documented their best sides and their worst. He found the tribes of the Canadian side of St. Lawernce River in mortal fear of the endless raids and attacks by those on the south side. So much so that the first real interaction was the Indians asking Champlain for military help to defeat the murderous tribes of the Upper Hudson Valley. Which he did. ANyways, his story was of constant warfare, frequent starvation, torture as a common everyday occupation. Children as young as five delighted in buring captives with hot coals, waking captives up by poking them in the eys with burning sticks.
dear old lake champlain. I remember when the lake was so pristine, you went across the street and dipped your coffee pot in it every morning...
...yeah, that was quite some time ago, before pollution made the water undrinkable, you had to worry about getting sick from algae blooms, the sea lampreys came down from the st lawwrence, the walleyes all disappeared just about...
" When someone like Tecumseh attempted to unite them in the face of the White man, the effort proved a miserable failure as they simply weren't capable of either any kind of sensible unified action, .... "
That seems to be right , but at the same time, if you look at the Iroquois, you probably have an example of what were originally different tribes, uniting in one entity. So, once again, I guess that was like everywhere else, Europe for example, where you had more or less constant wars, and alliances between different nations.
It seems strange to me that "anusocracy" was down voted at all. Would be interesting to know the reasons.
Does anyone believe our ancestors were mostly docile? Given a scenario with two tribes, one of them being organized, war-like, and with reasonable intelligence compared to other tribes. The other, being peaceful, and agreeable. Which one is likely to survive long term, subjugate other tribes, pass on their genes, teachings (indoctrination), secure more resources, etc.? It seems reasonable that our "peaceful" tribe could exist in relative isolation, but not where competition exists.
Alternate views?
Exactly.
Some believe that the peaceful continually moved into more demanding and inhospitable environments to avoid the more violent and that lead to increased intelligence in order to survive.
Sort of like the behavior of Honestann.
Sorry, but 9000 years is a blip on the map of evolution THEORY, we are genetically virtually identical. Difference is written language, education, division of labor these are all cultural.
Human beings are no smarter or dumber for the past 50,000 years. There is no evidence to support the idea that we have evolved/changed genetically.
Evolution is still a Theory, Natural Selection is a mechanism, also a Theory. Good theories ! Just not FACTUAL. IQ is invented as well, your IQ would have been zero trying to live in his world. IQ is based on your ability to use available facts. ie edible berries, edible greens. Most people in the US could not grow a vegetable garden, how is that for poor IQ,
I have to agree judging by what we've seen in Ferguson lately along with Chicago, Detroit, New York, Philly every day!
In fact I believe Americans are devolving both physically and mentally because we hardly need to rely on our selves for survival any more.
So is anything going to be done about it?
Carl Sagan, the well-known astrophysicist, and Ernst Mayr, the grand old man of American biology. They were debating the possibility of finding intelligent life elsewhere in the universe.
And Sagan, speaking from the point of view of an astrophysicist, pointed out that there are innumerable planets just like ours. There is no reason they shouldn’t have developed intelligent life. Mayr, from the point of view of a biologist, argued that it’s very unlikely that we’ll find any. And his reason was, he said, we have exactly one example: Earth. So let’s take a look at Earth.
And what he basically argued is that intelligence is a kind of lethal mutation. And he had a good argument. He pointed out that if you take a look at biological success, which is essentially measured by how many of us are there, the organisms that do quite well are those that mutate very quickly, like bacteria, or those that are stuck in a fixed ecological niche, like beetles. They do fine. And they may survive the environmental crisis. But as you go up the scale of what we call intelligence, they are less and less successful.
By the time you get to mammals, there are very few of them as compared with, say, insects. By the time you get to humans, the origin of humans may be 100,000 years ago, there is a very small group. We are kind of misled now because there are a lot of humans around, but that’s a matter of a few thousand years, which is meaningless from an evolutionary point of view. His argument was, you’re just not going to find intelligent life elsewhere, and you probably won’t find it here for very long either because it’s just a lethal mutation. He also added, a little bit ominously, that the average life span of a species, of the billions that have existed, is about 100,000 years, which is roughly the length of time that modern humans have existed.
We’re now in a situation where we can decide whether Mayr was right or not. If nothing significant is done about it, and pretty quickly, then he will have been correct: human intelligence is indeed a lethal mutation.
Maybe some humans will survive, but it will be scattered and nothing like a decent existence, and we’ll take a lot of the rest of the living world along with us. — Noam Chomsky
http://isreview.org/issue/76/human-intelligence-and-environment
Carl Sagan debated a lot of things Tesla actually evented motors and generators that worked and produced some things. Sagan was hot air and media promotion.
oh how wrong you are mister,
yes, Sagan had a media presence, which inspired many btw, but he did so much more,
why don't you read up on him before you disparage his legacy
We will be extinct within 1000 years at most.
If there is life out there, its life span is very likely brutally short. A technological civilization will not survive more than a few hundred years. Unless they find a miracle energy source and a miracle technology thet lets them leave their home planet.
That was all just unadulterated bullshit, sci-fi, hooey! None of that is anything but straight conjecture.
1000 years? Did you do that math in your head or did you use a pencil and paper?
Dogs are genetically very similar, but does anyone really believe that a Pit Bull has the same disposition as a Border Collie?
"Just a theory. . ." Arg. Here we go again.
"Hypothesis": A scientific hypothesis is the initial building block in the scientific method. Many describe it as an “educated guess,” based on prior knowledge and observation, as to the cause of a particular phenomenon. It is a suggested solution for an unexplained occurrence that does not fit into current accepted scientific theory. A hypothesis is the inkling of an idea that can become a theory, which is the next step in the scientific method.
Theory: A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. If enough evidence accumulates to support a hypothesis, it moves to the next step—known as a theory—in the scientific method and becomes accepted as a valid explanation of a phenomenon.
"arg. here we go again" exactly my thoughts ><
sometimes i wish i was dense, reading some of the dumb stuff so many write, not just here, can be very frustrating
the scientific method should be taught in elementary school
hence the reason AGW still resides in hypothesis-land
aint even a theory
From the American Association for the Advancement of Science:
A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world. The theory of biological evolution is more than "just a theory." It is as factual an explanation of the universe as the atomic theory of matter or the germ theory of disease. Our understanding of gravity is still a work in progress. But the phenomenon of gravity, like evolution, is an accepted fact.
"Most people in the US could not grow a vegetable garden, how is that for poor IQ,"
You're on to something. It's sorta like how some people's IQs are so poor that they can rationalize that evolution, natural selection and IQ differences do not exist because they wish for something different.
Takes a well functioning brain to throw a spear accurately (or to play a good game of basketball).
Maybe people vary in their general intelligence, but I smell a lot of horsehit in the ongoing iQ arguments.
My IQ is automatically higher being left handed because of the need to adapt to a right hand world. Seriously learning how to cut straight with blades designed for right handed people is a monumental undertaking let alone trying to write letters designed for a left to right pulling motion.
I'm right handed, but I do a lot with my left hand like jerk off.
I thought I was the only one.
Jesus Fucking Christ!
If knowing how to use tools was all you needed for an IQ, monkeys would have IQs!
What makes you think monkeys don't have IQs?
What about the red haired giants that had six fingers and toes that lived in America way before the so called native Indian got here? the smithsonian got all the skeletons and then lost the lot (at sea) from all the burial mounds around America , talk about controling the past.
Six fingered gingers don't complement the "agenda".
Those skeletons came from a cave where the Payute indians doing battle with the gingers coralled them and then set the entrance on fire and suffocated them to death. The gingers were not too smart.
And I am Irish so I can call them gingers :)
'Howe...' (while holding up a hand with spread fingers for assurance there are only 5).
7 Points can mean the difference between living beside a hydroelectric power plant and by Fukushima.
7 points can mean a lot or it can mean almost nothing. Really people should at least have a basic understanding of what they're debating.
In particular,[5] IQ scores reflect an ordinal scale, in which all scores are meaningful for comparison only.[6][7][8] There is no absolute zero, and a 10-point difference may carry different meanings at different points of the scale.[9][10]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_measurement#Ordinal_scale
You mean life sucked for these native Americans before the white man showed up? This is really going to piss off the self-hating liberals.
Forward (over the cliff)!
i call bullshit.....is this the same remains found years ago on an indian reservation and the tribe has never allowed studies to be conducted. and yet we have another author droning on and on making up shit as they go?
Bingo.
More evidence that despite their lipservice, dumbass progs both hate and fear science.
Western educated POV begets westerntardation.
One skeleton says all for a culture or society, not.
Monsanto says it does with one test, A OK !
Pharma too.
Believe.
Lies trained bought and paid for, believe.
Westerntardation.
Who the fuck says begets anymore? You should have your generals give you access to modern literature, wangluo shuijun.
Between you fucking dicks and Cass Sunstein, it's hard to keep up against all America bashers.
What are you standing upon to "keep up", beyond lingiustic fencing.
delete repeat
This story is pure PC fiction.
Forensic archaeology gives us Europeans as the 1st Americans, and the case can also be made that your precious and noble savages exterminated the white European 1sties before the big wave from Europe. Now we have another big wave of mongoloids sweeping through and displacing Euros once again, you should be happy...
Your tongue may be silver, but you obviiously have shit for brains.
Euro-America forensics may grant you such.
China circled the globe 50 years before Columbus driver ventured forth.
Ventured forth due to the fact it was known China had.
In doing so, China eliminated 90% of Native American population; by disease.
When Columbus driver reached the ematiated shores, the rest of history begins.
The indians did not understand progress, 19 nuclear reactors on the New Madrid fault, with gravity dam called Fort Peck Dam holding back an ocean of water just north of them. The Wanapum dam above the Hanford nuclear complex with a 65 foot crack in it. The beaty of Rothschild printing his money to finance world wide revolution. multiple wars in Libya, Irq, syria, Ukraine, leave them all breathing DU. Race riots in Ferguson and water cutoffs in Detroit, what were they thinking?
Sorry, but there are NO nuclear reactors on the New Madrid Fault. There are a couple of fossil plants on or near the fault, but that's it.
Just sayin'.
And you are full of shit.
They are all over the Mississippi and Illinois area, Ill is the most nuclearized state and fort Calhoun plant almost flooded out in 2011.
https://dublinsmick.wordpress.com/2013/05/16/bayou-corne-and-the-new-mad...
And you're a fucking moron.
Those Exelon plants (formerly Commonwealth Edison) in IL as well as Ft. Calhoun Plant in NE are not in the New Madrid Fault area. Neither is Grand Gulf Nuclear in MS (and certainly not River Bend or Waterford plants which are located near New Orleans). I should know, because I visit more power plants in America (both nuclear & fossil than anyone else.
If clowns like you are checking them out we are in trouble. Taking a chance here assuming you can read.
http://www.sott.net/article/225939-15-Nuclear-Reactors-on-New-Madrid-Fau...
There are 15 nuclear power plants in the New Madrid fault zone -- three reactors in Alabama -- that are of the same or similar design as the site in Japan experiencing problems.
http://lisaleaks.com/2013/02/04/new-madrid-fault/
https://vidrebel.wordpress.com/2011/09/22/the-four-new-madrid-earthquake...
http://winterpatriot.com/node/625
The last I saw the gov had told the media to stop coverage of it. The water was one foot from the top of the Fort Peck Dam. It is earthen and the silt inside it will most likely not hold if it is overrun.
When it collapses there will be most definitely a domino effect down stream on the other dams. This would result in several feet of water in St. Louis, power plants and sewage plants, power lines and many other things washing down stream. A night mare to make it short, probably one of the worst floods in the history of man. The Missouri River is over 2500 miles long.
Several million acres of the corn belt would become radiated not to mention GMO corn coming down river to contaminate non GMO corn.
And yes the whole place is on an earthquake fault. It is called the New Madrid and the last time it went in 1817 it changed the course of the Mississippi and knocked pictures off the wall in New York.
The last I saw the gov had told the media to stop coverage of it. The water was one foot from the top of the Fort Peck Dam. It is earthen and the silt inside it will most likely not hold if it is overrun.
When it collapses there will be most definitely a domino effect down stream on the other dams. This would result in several feet of water in St. Louis, power plants and sewage plants, power lines and many other things washing down stream. A night mare to make it short, probably one of the worst floods in the history of man. The Missouri River is over 2500 miles long.
Several million acres of the corn belt would become radiated not to mention GMO corn coming down river to contaminate non GMO corn.
And yes the whole place is on an earthquake fault. It is called the New Madrid and the last time it went in 1817 it changed the course of the Mississippi and knocked pictures off the wall in New York.
"People were scrambling at the NRC to cover up the full extent of the damage at the Fort Calhoun Nuclear Plant following an electrical fire that stopped the cooling system to the spent-fuel rods. The NRC originally reported that the fire was detected in a switchgear room at 9:30 am, by declaring a Notification of Unusual Event. Automated fire suppression systems activated as expected and the fire was confirmed out at 10:20 a.m.Thursday this was updated to an Alert, with no recognition by MSM, because the cooling systems were down for multiple hours.
The fire impacted two pumps, causing them to go offline. One pump was returned to service after almost 2 hours had elapsed, and the second pump required much more time until later in the day. This is extremely alarming if you also look at the report filed by the OPPD (Omaha Public Power District) just last month after inspecting the Fort Calhoun Station.
"During identification and evaluation of flood barriers, unsealed through wall penetrations in the outside wall of the intake, auxiliary and chemistry and radiation protection buildings were identified that are below the licensing basis flood elevation. A summary of the root causes included: a weak procedure revision process; insufficient oversight of work activities associated with external flood matters; ineffective identification, evaluation and resolution of performance deficiencies related to external flooding; and “safe as is” mindsets relative to external flooding events."
http://globalrumblings.blogspot.fr/2011/06/united-states-to-be-divided-b...
“It probably would wreck every bridge, highway, pipeline and power line, and split the heartland of the nation, leaving a gap 1,500-miles wide,” Shanks wrote. “Countless sewage treatment plants, toxic waste sites and even Superfund sites would be flushed downstream. The death toll and blow to our economy would be ghastly.” Shanks based his doomsday scenario on the fact that Fort Peck Dam is North America’s largest hydraulic-fill earthen dam. Such dams are prone to “liquefaction,” meaning they can become water-logged and disintegrate if exposed to extreme pressure or seismic activity. For that reason, California replaced most of that state’s hydraulic-fill dams. http://enenews.com/just-in-nrc-sends-concerned-about-what-would-happen-i... http://gramercyimages.com/blog1/2011/04/11/4142/Read that again and SHOW where it says "...the first dudes were polynesians...".
I read, ..."While genetic testing is still ongoing, the thin shape of his skull suggests that he is from Polynesian descent...".
So, there is a difference between the word 'suggest' and 'were'. What do you think?
On that note, I always found it hilarious how white supremacists idolize Vikings, when Vikings murdered, pillaged, raped and burned more whites than any other ethnicty ever did before or after them.
Trending now is that Vikings were actually a "kinder and gentler' tribe than previously believed.
Perhaps 'even' comparisons to other tribes are coming to light.
I have a thin skull. Hmmmmmmmm...
"Cooperation, education, innovation and exploring new frontiers have proven to be incredibly more productive endeavors to our survival and quality of life than warfare and conflict."
Really? was looking for the sarc tag.
Savages our ancestors were and savages we are today. Que lastima.
Yea, and to break it down further, we have "top savages" and "bottom dwelling savages" that are at war with the "middle savages"....
^.^
Nowadays, we let the savages rule the non-savages.
Helluva plan.
There are no "non-savages."
He who wins the war, cuts off the limbs of conquered women, and nails their torsos to fortress wall is deemed civilized.
See Thucydides and Herodotus.
So by that regard, being civil is more than just having your nutsack fully covered...
Wow after reading this I'm sure glad we've evolved to a much higher level!
I think that believing in "Progress" is more the religion of the West than any judeo/christian ideology.
Wow after reading this I'm sure glad we've evolved to a much higher level!
Just you wait, me boy.
We're all living in a consensus trance.
For a glimpse of the future, see the canibal warlords of Liberia on youtube.
It is proper western policy to demonize a people you plan on genociding. It has worked very well for thousands of years all around the world from Palestine, Libya, Donbass, etc. It is called manifest destiny.
http://www.ratical.org/many_worlds/6Nations/6nations1.html#part1a
https://dublinsmickdotcom.wordpress.com/2013/10/08/the-toxic-legacy-of-c...
https://dublinsmickdotcom.wordpress.com/2013/10/07/shawnee-chief-tecumse...
https://dublinsmick.wordpress.com/2013/02/01/just-who-were-those-indians...
https://dublinsmick.wordpress.com/2013/04/09/native-american-giants-in-f...
Recently it was discovered that chimpanzees conduct warfare. A column of males will silently travel single-file to a neighboring territory and ambush the other males one by one. So by logical conclusion I assume ancient people were very violent too.
Good morning,
Ladies and gentlemen
In the first person.
I woke up this morning with this in my head.
I was born in a very religious state, in Brazil, called Espírito Santo (Holy Spirit).
I was born and grew up in right behind its State Cathedral. Every time I looked outside my window, or stepped outside, there it was, the Cathedral. And its priests, bishops, and so on.
That Cathedral, looking back, it was the tower of the indoctrination and conformity of the ignorant.
Across that Cathedral, it was a round square with a short street that led to the Palácio Anchieta (governor’s Palace and the state’s executive power).
That Palace, looking back, it was the tower of corruption and deceit by the smart and educated class.
These both institutions, to this day, still need each other for their survival.
And here we are, on the middle of that short street, in-between the parasites and the mediocre, both holding to unrealistic believes and lies, wondering what come next?
http://www.rotacatolica.com/system/fotos/1279/original/catedral-de-vitoria.jpg?1340322808
http://midias.folhavitoria.com.br/files/2014/04/palacio-anchieta.jpg
escrava
Good post. Well said. I don't know how to cope with organized religion. I do believe Jesus is real. But the Catholic thing seems like an obvious state-entity.
Waddya mean "seems like"??
As I've said here before, the key word in "The Roman Catholic Church " is ROMAN
Meaning that the RC Church was founded by a Roman emperor who based its organization on Roman government
And even made old Roman and pagan holidays such as Easter (still a pagan word) and Saturnalia into RC holy days.
And so there's no "seems like" about it as the RC Church is in fact the Roman Empire still going strong.
Roman Empire still going strong?
Never heard that one... But 'Curious' about it.
read Vatican Inc. by Gianluigi Nuzzi
Thanks, but, unfortunately, I don’t speak Italian.
Anyway, I thought of: The Vatican Exposed: Money, Murder, and the Mafia – By Paul L. Williams
What do you think?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1591020654/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_2?pf_rd_p=1535523722&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=8861900674&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1TQC97W8ZDC3GS2FD0MY
Isn't Italian fairly mutually intelligible with Portugese?
Not quite!
Italian has more similarity with Spanish, from my observation.
Portuguese is a little bit off.
French is way off.
But they all come from Latin, that’s why I think they sound similar to some people.
Let me help you out here. The roman empire is still going strong.
http://dublinsmickdotcom.wordpress.com/2013/10/24/the-roman-empire-still...
Jesus Christ , do you ever wonder why he is called Jesus Christ , you should look up the old meaning of the word Christ , and so if he really was gods son (lower case g ) why was he annointed . Only people who stand in for god are annointed. Makes you wonder?
The "man-god" meme was really about getting away from "animal-gods" such as the Egyptians and other ancient cultures worshiped.
Because it meant the king or emperor could be seen as a man-god like the Pope is seen today.
Headbanger,
Found your comment very insightful.
Wonder what the next ‘god’ will be.
Do you have an idea what will that be?
they dont put flouride in all kinds of stuff for nothin, ya know
https://intheknow7.wordpress.com/jesuits-smom-knights-rcc/
Do us all a favor and stay in bed next time.
Grimaldus
I woke up this morning with a pop song in my head.
I was born in a very religious state, in us, called Washington (aka Holy Father, Saint Washington, peace be upon him).
I was born and grew up in its public schools and watched its tv and listened to its radio and cheered for its teams and wore its livery and exchanged its notes.
Every time I looked outside my window, or stepped outside, there it was, the Cathedral.
And its priests, bishops, and so on.
That Cathedral, looking back, it was the tower of the indoctrination and conformity of the ignorant.
Across that Cathedral, it was a round square with a short street that led to the Palácio Blanco (governor’s Palace and the state’s executive power).
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thanks for the post.
beautifully written.
-escrava safelygraze
SafelyGraze,
Firstly: LOL
Secondly: Thanks
Thirdly: You seen to be doing fine by have gone to public schools.
Can’t say the same about many private schools.
http://www.songlyrics.com/the-sopranos/woke-up-this-morning-lyrics/
So tell us, Two Dogs Fucking, how did you get your name?
Kalanga!
I guess these people did land on Plymouth Rock.
Malcolm X - We Didn't Land On Plymouth Rock: http://youtu.be/ffqVJWP5OeU
In The Grand SCHEME of things, we're one small step from destroying ourselves
"It took us 9,000 years – the equivalent of 225 Kennewick Man lives – to get to where we are today."
The only difference is the tribes are bigger and the tribal wars more deadly. All of that "Cooperation, education, innovation and exploring new frontiers" is merely the current generations preening their narcissistic selves.
Perhaps humans are more sophisticated. We don't seem to be more civilized.
In the book Constant Battles, author Steven LeBlanc contends that warfare and violent conflict have existed throughout human history, and that humans have never lived in ecological balance with nature.
Neanderthals - our close cousins as we interbred and carry a small % of their genes - apparently were wiped out by humans.
My Great-Grandma Survived the Quaternary Glaciation and All I Got was This T-Shirt
Damn, so that was your great great great etc grandama. She was a wild one in the ice caves buddy, let me tell you what my great great great etc grandfather told me.
Shit, you must be OLD!
I wonder if Kennewick Man had a central bank where they can print shells, hides, beads, gold or whatever they used at the time for currency.
Serious conflict - in a very small area with spears, knives and arrows is not quite comparable with the weapons numans have today. War was industrialized in the 20th Century, to the point where ALL life is now endangered.
It's not neccessarily better everywhere.
Maybe his wife got Biff the other caveman to try to kill him cause she was having an affair with him
I see a lot of truth in your comments.
A woman wants what is natural: A man to protect her and a man to bone her --- more than once. When resources are scarce, men are going to want a fair trade.
For all we know, this guy could have been a bad lay and his woman had enough.
At some point, every man has to make a choice: How long can I count on this pussy? Am I going to have to fight for it all of my life? or can I take it for granted?
I suppose I must disclose my bias: Pussy is worth more than gold and life.
Charming Anarchist,
You wrote: "A woman wants what is natural"
Then, as if your immaturity could not sink any lower....
You wrote: "man has to make a choice...Pussy is worth more than life.”
Man, you need to grow up and stopping sounding like a 8th grader.
Or, are you in 8th grade?
"A woman wants what is natural"
Having you been to the shrine of women's desires called the shopping mall?
The scientific arts and the methods of employing them for war resulted in the need for acquiring them in order to survive, becoming yet another reason for war. Industrialization was a byproduct, and all of it began over 8,000 years ago. Commercial industrialization maybe and that started around the time of Gutenberg and his printing press.
All life is not endangered. We passed that event horizon when we learned how to create and release artificial radionuclides, but hey, it was all done with good intentions; we did it in the name of peace. Sure we did.
If you really want to know just how bad we've been Fukushima'd, go to NETC.com and ENE.com and the EPA.org, then start digging, stacking and storing enough for the next 4 billion years.
Don’t tweak White Jesus and everything is cool.
So, is this an ad for a book?
Thankfully things are much better now.
To be born and die as a slave of the 0.1%, completely controlled by the banksters and a fascist, police state, poisoned by GMO foods and fluoridated water, relentlessly spied upon, terrorized at every turn by imaginary enemies, humiliated by a militarized police and homeland security, and worked to death. Things have hardly gotten better:
Woman working 4 jobs to make ends meet dies while napping in car between shiftsA New Jersey woman who worked four jobs, who sometimes “wouldn’t sleep for five days,” according to a co-worker, died Monday while napping between shifts in her car on the side of the road.
Maria Fernandes died in her 2001 Kia Sportage after inhaling carbon monoxide and fumes from an overturned gas container she kept in the car, according to the New York Daily News.
http://rt.com/usa/183720-four-jobs-car-nap/
RIP Maria Fernandes. I dont know if she was on welfare but at least she worked unlike the millions on the dole of the Free Shit Army
“For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much—the wheel, New York, wars and so on—whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man—for precisely the same reasons.” - Douglas Adams
Maybe the FSA is smarter than we think...
That, my good friend is never why I sleep between jobs. I always sleep on the job where it's much safer.
Next, my good friend, you may want to consider taking up golf on your job. It has worked so well for some. Your golf tan will match your taupe suit perfectly.
Better idea. Just claim disability and start getting SS/Disability. Welcome to the Free Shit Nation.
At least she has the opportunity to work four jobs. In some places people are limited to only one job, if that.
God Bless the U.S.A. by Lee Greenwood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q65KZIqay4E
its interesting that tptb constantly need to tell us that the world was hell before 'civilization' came along, with banking, law, government etc... and at the same time, they do everything they can to hide evidence of what appears to have been a flourishing global civiliation, before something went drastically wrong before 10,000 BC:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/esp_ciencia_life48.htm
Yeah, JustObserving, that was the same sentence that jarred with me too! "Thankfully things are much better now."
The chronic warfare in the past was their best available solution then to the chronic political problems inherent in the nature of human life. Even if some groups come to a fresh continent to exploit, the resulting exponential growth of the population relatively quickly results in that running into limits, which had no other possible resolutions than chronic warfare.
"NOW" is the qualifying factor, because the industrial revolution expanded human hunter gathering into the exploitation of non-renewable resources. The MAIN trends of our times were we were turning natural resources into garbage and pollution, as fast as possible, in ways which deliberately ignore any concept of the need for more industrial ecology. Our current human ecology operates through the maximum possible deceits and frauds, which are driving us towards the most mad self-destruction of ourselves and our habitat imaginable!
The degrees to which things have gotten "better" were based on consuming natural resources at an exponentially increasing rate, with attitudes of evil deliberate ignorance towards the limits to being able to continue to do that!
"BETTER" IS BASED ON OVERSHOOTING
TOWARDS COLLAPSE TO CRAZY CHAOS.
Without some series of technological miracles, and even greater political miracles, then the population of human beings in 2100 will NOT be more than 10 billion, but likely less than 1 billion! Even WITH some possible series of basic scientific breakthroughs, enabling some technological miracles, the BASIC PROBLEMS are how to develop some human and industrial ecologies, which can be integrated into human ecologies.
The first immigrants to North America, given their level of technology, after a few thousand years, developed their own dynamic equilibria, which necessarily included chronic warfare. One way or another, the chronic problems inherent in the nature of life require that there develop some systems of death controls to deal with the real limits of the environment. No matter how much there may be achieved more scientific and technological miracles, the chronic political problems are perpetual, and will still be there as long as any human beings exist.
The Neolithic style of civilization that dominates North America now has been able to flourish on the basis of raping the continent's natural resources. That enabled that social pyramid system to get away with deliberately ignoring the limits to growth, and those values were basic to the ways that we are severely overshooting, due to having built everything on the basis of having been able to strip-mine a fresh continent, and fresh planet, with the technologies developed by the Neolithic style of civilization.
The first immigrants to North America lived more like Paleolithic human beings, and therefore, were wiped out, and the few survivors assimilated, by the Neolithic systems. IF human beings are going to survive, then we will have to develop a Translithic Civilization, in which it is possible to develop evolutionary ecologies that include the emerging potential of the industrial revolution ... So far, obviously, there is NOTHING like that. Instead, all of the established systems, and their controlled opposition groups, are as deliberately ignorant towards the limits to growth as they can possibly continue to be. However, it is the nature of that exponential growth to run into its real limits at an accelerating rate! We are quickly reaching the tipping points!
So far, I have no good reasons to believe that there will be sufficient technological miracles, while the even more necessary political miracles appear even more improbable, and therefore, I have never seen anything yet that enables me to doubt that the following chart, which was first developed in the 1970s, and has been confirmed more recently, is not what the so-called "better" future will probably be:
http://www.marijuanaparty.ca/IMG/png/limits-to-growth-forecast.png
That kind of chart can be simplified to become this kind of chart:
http://gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/shape-of-typical-secul...
There are many good reasons to perceive that North American civilization has reached the turning point, where the wonderful ride UP, based on strip-mining natural resources, is tipping over towards a steep decline DOWN. Even IF there were some series of scientific and technological miracles, which could mitigate and postpone that somewhat, THE BASIC PROBLEM IS THE NEED FOR A SERIES OF POLITICAL MIRACLES TO ENABLE SOME BETTER EVOLUTIONARY ECOLOGIES TO DEVELOP, WHICH MUST HAVE THEIR DEATH CONTROL SYSTEMS AT THEIR CORE.
At the present time, all of the "better" we were used to was actually destroying itself as fast as possible, as we transformed natural resources in garbage and pollution as fast as possible, in ways which were due to our civilization being controlled by systems of lies backed by violence, which enabled our kind of civilization to operate with attitudes of evil deliberate ignorance towards its limits to growth. Therefore, all of the "better" that we were used to was based on things which we were deliberately destroying as fast as possible, in ways whereby we could lie to ourselves about doing that as much as possible, because our civilization was being controlled by the people who were the best at being dishonest and backing that up with violence. Tragically, at the present time, there are no good grounds to believe that enough human beings will adapt to their development of the industrial revolution, in ways which allowed adequate industrial ecologies to evolve. Instead, everything is based on being controlled by enforced frauds, which are driving society towards mad self-destruction.
At least the first immigrants to North America were able to develop their own stabilized dynamic equilibria, that were sustainable for thousands of years. The more recent immigrants to North America have been living in ways which are destroying their habitat, while they were living "better" only while they could continue to thrive by strip-mining natural resources. It is doubtful that we could redevelop lower levels of chronic warfare. Instead, we are building up and UP towards big binges of genocidal wars along with democidal martial law, because we have done almost nothing so far to adapt to their being real limits to growth.
Solitary, indolent, and perpetually accompanied by danger, the savage cannot but be fond of sleep; his sleep too must be light, like that of the animals, which think but little and may be said to slumber all the time they do not think. Self-preservation being his chief and almost sole concern, he must exercise most those faculties which are most concerned with attack or defence, either for overcoming his prey, or for preventing him from becoming the prey of other animals. On the other hand, those organs which are perfected only by softness and sensuality will remain in a gross and imperfect state, incompatible with any sort of delicacy; so that, his senses being divided on this head, his touch and taste will be extremely coarse, his sight, hearing and smell exceedingly fine and subtle. Such in general is the animal condition, and such, according to the narratives of travellers, is that of most savage nations. It is therefore no matter for surprise that the Hottentots of the Cape of Good Hope distinguish ships at sea, with the naked eye, at as great a distance as the Dutch can do with their telescopes; or that the savages of America should trace the Spaniards, by their smell, as well as the best dogs could have done; or that these barbarous peoples feel no pain in going naked, or that they use large quantities of piemento with their food, and drink the strongest European liquors like water.
J-J R
Dude the savage was smarter than you think, he had guard dogs, he got better sleep than most mofos today.
And only worked 19 hours a week.
The Rousseau passage quoted above is an example of Orientalism. Orientalism is a common diluting factor in all society; I believe the purpose of pasting Rousseau was to emphasize things change very little, in actuality.
Rousseau's Second Discourse is of enduring value and always worth reading and thinking about.
Leftist multi-cult professors like Edward Said deserve to be dumped in the dustbin of history and forgotten altogether.
The savages of old lived to 40. Lotsa savages in Chicago only live to 20.
this is a keeper : http://www.theeventchronicle.com/editors-pick/must-watch-illuminati-holo...
"A spear lodged deep in his pelvis must have been very painful for years"! Hahaha and fucking Obamao wears a Goddamn helmet while riding his pussy mountain bike.....I reiterate.....hahahaha!
Wow,
You mean all that warfare existed without a centralized government and bankers?/sarc
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Man is like any other species. It does what it needs to do for survival and that means fighting. Even in small groups, collectivism begins.
98% of human life involves cooperation, not fighting.
Hobbes wore blinders.
Apparently, Kennewick Man looked like Michiu Kaku
The first who examined the skull said he was European and the Native American tribes went bonkers, they wanted to bury him ASAP and went through all sorts of legal hoops to do so because it destroys their narrative.
Things aren't better, come on.
Fukushima was the end yet nobody is talking about it.
Massive amounts of sea life are dying, birds, fish, whales, sea lions washing up on the pacific coast.
I heard someone say that the gov has used its weather control abilty to keep the storms off the coast of CA, choosing the drought over radiation filled storms.
At least he lived and died a manly life. Today he may well have died of a Fukushima, an atomic bomb, GM foods, fluoride, a drone losing control or friendly fire from a caring policeman.
Savage, if it wasn't for the White man the Indians would still be running around in jockstras tossing spears at Buffaloes.
Tell that to the Incas and Aztecs who had bigger and more advanced cities than the Euros at that time (including the Zero)
Also to the Polynesians who sailed to and fro across the Pacific.
Then why did a few hundred Conquistadors kick their asses?
Lots of reasons: Gunpowder, dogs, horses, armor, treachary, and, in the case of the Aztecs, some help from the enemies of Montezuma. There were also some long term pressures from a few tag-a-longs named polio and small pox.
Check this out: "When Hernán Cortés and the Spanish landed on the Veracruzcoast, they were greeted by the Totonacas, who were a subject people of the Aztecs and saw the Spanish as a way to free themselves of rule from Tenochtitlan. They allied with the Spanish, and when Cortés decided to go inland to Tenochtitlan, the Totonacas guided them to other subject peoples who would be willing to ally with them, including and especially the Tlaxcalans. However, after entering Tlaxcalan territory, the Spanish were met by a hostile Tlaxcalan force of 30,000. The Tlaxcalans fought the Spanish and their Indian allies in a number of battles, with the Spanish inflicting heavy casualties on the Tlaxcalans despite their superior numbers. The Spaniards’ prowess in battle impressed the Tlaxcalan King X?coht?ncatl ?x?yacatzin, who then not only allowed the Spanish to pass through his territory, but also invited them into the capital city of Tlaxcala.[10][15]
Cortés stayed in the city of Tlaxcala for 20 days and forged an alliance with the Tlaxcalans to bring down Tenochtitlan. Cortes added 6,000 Tlaxcala warriors to this ranks and arrived to Tenochtitlan in November 1519. They were received by Emperor Moctezuma II, who understood the potential danger of a Spanish-Tlaxcalan alliance. Despite initial friendliness, intrigue and siege of the capital followed, with the Aztec backlash sending Cortes’ very wounded army limping back to Tlaxcalan territory. The Tlaxcalan king gave the Spanish refuge but promised further assistance in the conquest of Tenochtitlan only under certain conditions including perpetual exemption from tribute of any sort, part of the spoils of war, and control of two provinces that bordered Tlaxcala. Cortés agreed. Cortes and the Tlaxcalans returned to Tenochtitlan in December of 1520. After many battles, including street-by-street fighting in Tenochtitlan itself, the Aztec Empire fell in August 1521.[10]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tlaxcala
You never learned about this in school?
Fascinating, where can I find the Incan nuclear power plant.
Right next to the one that powered the saw mill that build Columbus' ships genius.
Because nuclear power is a sign of modernity's superiority?
"Because nuclear power is a sign of modernity's superiority?"
If you bring a stone-tipped spear to a thermonuclear weapon fight, yes.
“Its scope, the size of its monoliths, the intricate carvings upon its monuments and its statues have amazed all who have seen Tiahuanacu (as the place has been called) ever since the first chronicler described it for Europeans…. The greatest puzzle of all is the location itself: a barren, almost lifeless place some 13,000 feet – four kilometers – up among the highest Andean peaks that are permanently snow-covered. Why would anyone expend incredible effort to erect colossal edifices out of stone that had to be quarried and brought over for many miles away in this treeless, windswept desolate place?
“The thought struck Ephraim George Squier when he reached the lake a century ago…. “The waters hide a variety of strange fishes, which contribute to support a population necessarily scanty…. The only grain is quinoa…. where the only indigenous animals fit for food are the biscacha, the llama, and the vicuna.” Yet in this treeless world, he added, “if tradition be our guide, were developed the germs of Inca civilization” from an earlier, “original civilization which carved its memorials in massive stones, and left them in the plains of Tiahuanaco, and of which no tradition remains except that they are the work of the giants of old, who reared them in a single night.””“….Here the clamps (to hold the stone blocks together against earthquakes) were made of bronze. That this was so is known because some of these bronze clamps have actually been found. This is certainly a discovery of immense significance, for bronze is a most difficult alloy to produce, requiring the combination of a certain proportion of copper (about 85-90%) with tin; and whereas copper can be found in its natural state, tin must be extracted by difficult metallurgical processes from the ores in which it is contained.”