Putin Calls For "Immediate Talks" Over Eastern Ukraine "Statehood"

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Vladimir Putin, who has repeatedly said that he does not favor the break-up of Ukraine - but only greater autonomy for the East, appears to have changed course rather dramatically today. In a speech broadcast on Russian TV, the Russian leader stated "we need to immediately begin substantive talks... on questions of the political organisation of society and statehood for southeastern Ukraine." As The Washington Post reports, use of the word "statehood" reflects a major shift in Kremlin policy towards 'Novorossiya' - it would be a direct challenge not only to Kiev but also to Western European nations and the United States, which have been trying to force Moscow to back down. While not directly addressing the latest round of sanctions chatter, Putin concluded, perhaps ominously, "they should have known that Russia cannot stand aside when people are being shot almost at point-blank."

 

 

As AFP reports,

President Vladimir Putin today dramatically raised the stakes in the Ukraine conflict by calling for the first time for statehood to be considered for the restive east of the former Soviet state.

 

"We need to immediately begin substantive talks... on questions of the political organisation of society and statehood for southeastern Ukraine with the goal of protecting the lawful interests of the people who live there," Putin was quoted as saying by Russian news agencies on a TV show broadcast in the far east of the country.

 

Russia has previously only called for greater rights under a decentralised federal system to be accorded to the eastern regions of Ukraine, where predominantly Russian-speakers live.

And as The Washington Post reports,

Putin spoke of the need to end hostilities before winter and criticized European leaders for supporting Ukraine, in remarks made during a television interview first broadcast in Russia's Far East and reported from Vladivostok by Russian news agencies. The interview was to be broadcast in Moscow seven hours later.

Putin has said repeatedly that he does not favor the breakup of Ukraine — though Russia seized Crimea from Ukraine in March — but only greater autonomy for the east. The word "statehood" suggests more than that, and if it reflects a major shift in Kremlin policy, it would be a direct challenge not only to Kev but also to Western European nations and the United States, which have been trying to force Moscow to back down.

 

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"These are the inclusive talks that should determine the relationship with the eastern regions, that is, negotiations inside Ukraine on the internal Ukrainian order with respect for the interests of the country's eastern regions, the interests of Novorossiya," Peskov told reporters, according to Russian state-owned news agency Itar-Tass.

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Doesn't sound very de-esacalation-y to us... but we are sure stocks will rally on the hopes of front-running the post-escalation de-escalation buying panic.

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Sun, 08/31/2014 - 13:54 | 5164984 kliguy38
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shocking

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 13:56 | 5164990 ilion
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Putin kicks ass.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 13:59 | 5165007 y3maxx
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...Will Landlock Western Ukraine....WW#3 in 10, 9, 8, 7..

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:02 | 5165018 Publicus
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Meet Ukraine: the newest landlocked nation on Earth!

On the bright side, they no longer needs to pay for a navy. 

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:05 | 5165038 Latina Lover
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Or an Army, since the Ukraine is flat broke, and no other country would want them.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:07 | 5165045 Publicus
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NATO sure loves Ukraine.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:17 | 5165064 Latina Lover
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NATO will like them less since they will provide little strategic advantage while creating a security problem for neighboring EU states.  At best, the rump Ukraine will produce women for Amsterdam brothels and men to replace the Polish toilet cleaners. At worst, rump Ukraine will be  a bankrupt, impoverished  failed state filled with rabid nationalistic scum looking for a way out to the EU promised lands.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:21 | 5165081 kliguy38
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Nuland/bankers planned it this way from the beginning for diversion/destabilization then break it up and divide the assets/land between the West and Russia

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:24 | 5165099 markar
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Pretty stupid strategy since all the valuable assets are on the Russian side.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:42 | 5165145 insanelysane
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Just like Ireland.  See Northern Ireland.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:59 | 5165189 SWRichmond
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Can we just call this the "Crimean Corridor"?

I told you guys Putin would never give up Sevastopol.  Ain't fucking happening.  He will go to war to keep it.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:23 | 5165282 CrazyCooter
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From the looks of the map, they are going with "New Russia".

Regards,

Cooter

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 16:02 | 5165378 CuttingEdge
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Hey, at least Ukraine get to keep Chernobyl - maybe give Hunter Biden a job on the national grid as well as the fracking board to get the most out of that one...

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 18:50 | 5165811 espirit
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I'm thinking what Putin actually said was 'Who is going to pay the deadbeat Ukrainians bill?'

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 20:44 | 5165941 cowdiddly
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Well you did'n't think Putin was going to leave the Crimea landlocked did you? Ukraine has already shut of all electricity to Crimea and they have to bring in generators and running wirelines are going to take about a year and a half. Plus Ukraine is blocking the border checkpoint to Crimea and it takes a 200-300 dollar bribe to the border guards to get a truck in. This only inceases the incentive to keep fighting. Blackmailing Putin, Not smart Pork Chop.

New Russia already has most of the control of where the gas its at at least without Hato help which risks WW 111, Ukraine has squandered their fighting forces bombing people and going for political rather than military targets and now can't put down the separatists without outside help. scroll down and zoom on this website map to see the locations. Its kinda cute the way the fields lie in Crimea and the Donbass region. Almost exacty where the fighting is. Putins about 5 moves ahead of the DC/EU clowns.

The Knockdown dragout fight will be for the town Slovansk later this winter Where Porky will at least have some bargaining power over the underground gas if politics dont stop it. He's stackin the town full as we chat.

http://shalegas.in.ua/en/karta/

So the only question remains does New Russia go for the larger New Russia or secure the gas fields now. I think Porky Pig better cut a deal now before he loses a few more counties.

They are fighting for both airports tonight,one down one to go, which the separtists did not need without planes. Now they want em? Just having an airport ups the ante. If they purchase some aircraft ----ewwwwwwww who would stop them? Ukraine airforce is toasT.

Plus, the DNR has captured two Tocka-U  ballistic missle launchers. Only problem is they were empty no missles with it and noone that knows how to operate it. The Battalionn commander Alexi Brain says he has connections in Europe to obtain the missles being that this russian hardware is scattered all over the world. He said if he could afford the missles he wants six and  to go straight to Kiev with them and light Porkys world UP. Better swallow yur pride Fat boy the gig is up.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:16 | 5165253 TheGardener
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Divide and conquer at work.The Irish were depicted up to this day as savages from the European Isles. British special forces have had a licence to kill. Still have, silly folks.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 20:00 | 5165991 Razor_Edge
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You don't know what you're talking about. Nothing like Ireland, north or south.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:47 | 5165147 kliguy38
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....plenty of resources inside Ukraine....for all sides.....

 

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/612921/Ukraine/30105/Resources...

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 16:49 | 5165484 Lea
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Sun, 08/31/2014 - 19:02 | 5165841 NOZZLE
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Lea, St George! , Ti ci Russ?

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:22 | 5165088 El Oregonian
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So what happens when Hydrogen provides free energy fuel? Will the last filthy Int'l banksters and criminal Petro multi-national companies please climb in a hole and backfill it thereby doing all of mankind a huge favor.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:01 | 5165194 slightlyskeptical
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"So what happens when Hydrogen provides free energy fuel?"

You are delusional if you think we will pay anyone else but the multi-nationals if that comes about. Different song, same dance.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:25 | 5165292 DeadFred
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Contents as toxic as that require more than simple backfilling.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 20:30 | 5166073 Ginsengbull
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Hydrogen is expensive.

 

If they produce it cheaper, they will keep it priced "competitively".

 

It will always be expensive.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:07 | 5165044 Ignatius
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Not a real problem if they can get past their dumbfuckery and negotiate access.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:05 | 5165211 piratepiet
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I find that "landlocked is doomed" notion peculiar.

Switzerland : landlocked

Luxembourg : landlocked

Austria : landlocked

 

 

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:17 | 5165260 ShrNfr
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After a few more days of Russian planes, they may not have much of a Navy/Coast Guard to pay for anyway.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:59 | 5165373 Oldrepublic
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Bolivia still has a navy I understand

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 17:17 | 5165561 TheMeatTrapper
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"Bolivia still has a navy I understand"

Yes they do. The war with Chile in the early part of the previous century was when Bolivia lost their access to the sea. 

In many Bolivian homes they still display maps showing Bolivia with sea access. 

Back in the 1980's I spent a lot of time in Santa Cruz and into the Tri Border area. I had a chance to buy an HK pistol from a Bolivian Naval Officer - it was inscribed with the Bolivian Naval insignia. 

You cannot imagine how many times I have kicked myself for passing on that pistol. 

Long time ago. Different life. How times have changed - and how those times changed me. I spent six years down there and came home with an outlook on life that few Americans have. 

To this day I have a taste for chicha.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 16:09 | 5165394 fockewulf190
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Reminds me about what happened to another landlocked country 72 years ago...namely Czechoslovakia. This whole scenario is playing out like Sudetenland 2.0....and we all know what happened to the rest of Czechoslovakia after the Sudetenland was grabbed.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 18:45 | 5165615 Againstthelie
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Czechoslovakia was an artificial state, founded on the absurd lie of the existence of a Czechoslovakian nation. 6 million Czechs, 3.5 million Germans, 2 million Slovaks, half a million Hungarians and Ukrainians were locked in this state against their will. Churchill called this state a hostile aircraft carrier in the back of Germany.

With the breaking up of this artificial state, the Slovakians got their own state, the Hungarians united with their motherland, the rest of Carpathian-Ukraine became independent and the Olsa region with its Poles was given to Poland.

Contrary to the anti-Nazi propaganda lies, rest-Czechia, or Bohemia and Moravia was NOT integrated into the German Reich, but after the breaking up of the artificial state the former Czechoslovakian President Emil Hacha was authorized by the rest-Czech government to ask the German government for protection (Hungary was occupying the areas with Hungarians). Hitler accepts it and grants even more inner political autonomy than Bohemia and Moravia under Austrian rulership had.

And what also most people have no clue about: Hitler in Munich did not want parts of Czechoslovakia, but only wanted the areas where Germans were living, the Sudetenland.

And what even less people know: London was informed about the German plans of a protectorate and an expertise of the British foreign ministry came to the conclusion, that the German invasion was not a violation of the treaty of Munich!

 

 

A people should not be forced to live in a foreign state they don't want. The right of self-determination must be respected. That in 1990 this state, which after the war was rebuilt again and was founded on the genocide of the Germans in Sudetenland, imploded, shows, that the destruction of this construction 50 years earlier was good. Germany acted correctly.

 

If the Russians in eastern Urkaine do no longer want to live under Ukrainian rulership, then you want them to be enslaved and deny their rights? Then you are in the cosa nostra of the globalists, that denounce the treaty of Munich because it was a shining victory of the right for self-determination of nations.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 17:46 | 5165650 SDShack
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If Europe/US lose Eastern/Southern Ukraine it is game over. Western Ukraine offers nothing in total for Europe. It will exist essentially as a failed state, or eventually be completely partioned and absorbed by the border states of Belarus, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 19:03 | 5165829 Againstthelie
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Do not call the EU = Europe.

Currently there is a massive fight in the EU going on: The EU currently is anti-European, it follows the policy of the City of London & New York, to split continental Europe, create tensions in continental Europe, probably want an escalation torwards war. The more damage they can inflict on continental Europe, the worse for the Euro, as alternative to the dollar and if they keep the Russians out, they are in.

A united continental Europe with the axis Paris-Berlin-Moscow would mean the City of London & New York were out!

That's the game. And the question is, how strong USrael's fifth colony in the EU and it's vassals are and how strong are the sane European forces that understand, that Russia is a part of Europe and what tremendous possibilities the future with the new silk-road to Peking would offer.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 19:23 | 5165895 piratepiet
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Good thinking. 

Who or what is USrael's fifth colony in the EU ?

 

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 19:32 | 5165920 Againstthelie
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Barroso - Rompui - Merkel for example.

Mainstream media and it's tremendous influence.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 20:05 | 5165963 piratepiet
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A Paris-Berlin-Moscow axis makes a lot of sense, but history is not on its side. 

The French and Germans have managed what probably no one thought possible 70 years ago.  Will it work with the Russians?  Not sure.   It would take a lot of time in any case. 

And  : How could the Anglos ( mainly the Americans ) ever be made to accept such a thing ?

Maybe we throw in a TTP+ and make English the official language of the enlarged EU and make London the centre of it all.  Will it all balance out nicely so ?

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 03:39 | 5166836 Idaho potato head
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Or a coast guard...... Oh wait.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:01 | 5165024 Vampyroteuthis ...
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HINT TO NATO: Step down or I turn off all gas and the Ukraine army will end up in a massive grave.

wink wink, Putin

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:05 | 5165034 TahoeBilly2012
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The West hates them for their freedom.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:07 | 5165043 Latina Lover
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+10,000  If you were part of the ruling bankster class, you wouldn't want the western plantation tax slaves to get any ideas, would you?

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:21 | 5165095 markar
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So true. The West would rather nuke the place than see them a sovereign nation.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:04 | 5165209 Dubaibanker
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Anyone who believes Russia is attacking or 'invading' Ukraine, should see this video.

The Ukraine Govt is attacking it's own people and over 200k Ukrainians have fled to Russia instead of going towards Kiev. It is the local people who have risen against their own Govt attacking them, in order to save their homes and land.

How can Russia invade another country with barely 9 soldiers?

The Western people will pay for this mis-step with their tax dollars! When will the Western media wake up? Unfortunately all the Western media is owned by the same people and contradicts itself on a daily basis! What a charade!

No one talks about the black boxes of MH 17?

http://rt.com/shows/crosstalk/183576-ukraine-economy-civil-war/

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 16:54 | 5165500 Lea
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> "So true. The West would rather nuke the place than see them a sovereign nation"

No. Nobody is going to nuke anyone, because that would be nuke for nuke. And Washington doesn't want to end up like Hiroshima...

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:28 | 5165114 Escrava Isaura
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Article: "Vladimir Putin, appears to have changed course... Statehood for South Ukraine…”

Can’t wait until it goes four ways. The British and French want their part of the looting, too.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 17:04 | 5165527 Omen IV
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The only looting in the south of the D River wil be of ALL the assets of the Oligarchs - they will be charged with war crimes at $10 Billion a pop and then foreclose and the assets given to the people of Newco along with Ag and Oil and Gas

subsequent debt offering to Russia and China and then IPO of all the assets for 49% of the ownership - dividends to the peoples retirement / education and rebuilding

FUCK THE BIDEN FAMILY AS "BEARDS" FOR THE EU POLITICIANS

 

 

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 22:44 | 5166421 Escrava Isaura
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Omen IV,

Not sure what to make of your post.

Russia and China will be offer an IPO?

Why?

Once the dollar defaults/crashes, the only alternatives for foreigner will be to bring all the Fiat dollars back home (back to the US).

Think costs are high now?

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 18:15 | 5165729 Mine Is Bigger
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I spent the entire month of August in Odessa.  It appears the anti-Russian sentiment is growing here.  From what I saw and heard, this region will not join East Ukraine to form "New Russia."  Having said that, people are unhappy about the Kiev junta as well, especially about the military mobilization and the death toll on both sides.  The economy is clearly slowing down.  Another "revolution" could come as soon as this winter.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 19:12 | 5165863 COSMOS
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The outlying areas do not share your sentiments.  Many ethnic minorities there that would rather be part of Russia than a second hand state like the Ukraine, or EU serfs

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:50 | 5165344 TheGardener
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Pussy Putin to secures the landscape till the Atlantic
or his empty Kissinger instructed talk to no awail.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:59 | 5165374 TheGardener
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Fuck that scenario : German Freecorps in Russia in One Two Three . Nato has no army, Germany much less, voluntary Freecorps as back than against Napoleon 1:10 by now.

Sorry warmongers, ever heard of Freiherr vom Stein?

Germans to the rescue!

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