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Putin Calls For "Immediate Talks" Over Eastern Ukraine "Statehood"

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Vladimir Putin, who has repeatedly said that he does not favor the break-up of Ukraine - but only greater autonomy for the East, appears to have changed course rather dramatically today. In a speech broadcast on Russian TV, the Russian leader stated "we need to immediately begin substantive talks... on questions of the political organisation of society and statehood for southeastern Ukraine." As The Washington Post reports, use of the word "statehood" reflects a major shift in Kremlin policy towards 'Novorossiya' - it would be a direct challenge not only to Kiev but also to Western European nations and the United States, which have been trying to force Moscow to back down. While not directly addressing the latest round of sanctions chatter, Putin concluded, perhaps ominously, "they should have known that Russia cannot stand aside when people are being shot almost at point-blank."

 

 

As AFP reports,

President Vladimir Putin today dramatically raised the stakes in the Ukraine conflict by calling for the first time for statehood to be considered for the restive east of the former Soviet state.

 

"We need to immediately begin substantive talks... on questions of the political organisation of society and statehood for southeastern Ukraine with the goal of protecting the lawful interests of the people who live there," Putin was quoted as saying by Russian news agencies on a TV show broadcast in the far east of the country.

 

Russia has previously only called for greater rights under a decentralised federal system to be accorded to the eastern regions of Ukraine, where predominantly Russian-speakers live.

And as The Washington Post reports,

Putin spoke of the need to end hostilities before winter and criticized European leaders for supporting Ukraine, in remarks made during a television interview first broadcast in Russia's Far East and reported from Vladivostok by Russian news agencies. The interview was to be broadcast in Moscow seven hours later.

Putin has said repeatedly that he does not favor the breakup of Ukraine — though Russia seized Crimea from Ukraine in March — but only greater autonomy for the east. The word "statehood" suggests more than that, and if it reflects a major shift in Kremlin policy, it would be a direct challenge not only to Kev but also to Western European nations and the United States, which have been trying to force Moscow to back down.

 

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"These are the inclusive talks that should determine the relationship with the eastern regions, that is, negotiations inside Ukraine on the internal Ukrainian order with respect for the interests of the country's eastern regions, the interests of Novorossiya," Peskov told reporters, according to Russian state-owned news agency Itar-Tass.

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Doesn't sound very de-esacalation-y to us... but we are sure stocks will rally on the hopes of front-running the post-escalation de-escalation buying panic.

 

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Sun, 08/31/2014 - 13:54 | 5164984 kliguy38
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shocking

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 13:56 | 5164990 ilion
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Putin kicks ass.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 13:59 | 5165007 y3maxx
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...Will Landlock Western Ukraine....WW#3 in 10, 9, 8, 7..

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:02 | 5165018 Publicus
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Meet Ukraine: the newest landlocked nation on Earth!

On the bright side, they no longer needs to pay for a navy. 

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:05 | 5165038 Latina Lover
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Or an Army, since the Ukraine is flat broke, and no other country would want them.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:07 | 5165045 Publicus
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NATO sure loves Ukraine.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:17 | 5165064 Latina Lover
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NATO will like them less since they will provide little strategic advantage while creating a security problem for neighboring EU states.  At best, the rump Ukraine will produce women for Amsterdam brothels and men to replace the Polish toilet cleaners. At worst, rump Ukraine will be  a bankrupt, impoverished  failed state filled with rabid nationalistic scum looking for a way out to the EU promised lands.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:21 | 5165081 kliguy38
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Nuland/bankers planned it this way from the beginning for diversion/destabilization then break it up and divide the assets/land between the West and Russia

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:24 | 5165099 markar
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Pretty stupid strategy since all the valuable assets are on the Russian side.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:42 | 5165145 insanelysane
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Just like Ireland.  See Northern Ireland.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:59 | 5165189 SWRichmond
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Can we just call this the "Crimean Corridor"?

I told you guys Putin would never give up Sevastopol.  Ain't fucking happening.  He will go to war to keep it.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:23 | 5165282 CrazyCooter
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From the looks of the map, they are going with "New Russia".

Regards,

Cooter

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 16:02 | 5165378 CuttingEdge
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Hey, at least Ukraine get to keep Chernobyl - maybe give Hunter Biden a job on the national grid as well as the fracking board to get the most out of that one...

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 18:50 | 5165811 espirit
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I'm thinking what Putin actually said was 'Who is going to pay the deadbeat Ukrainians bill?'

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 20:44 | 5165941 cowdiddly
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Well you did'n't think Putin was going to leave the Crimea landlocked did you? Ukraine has already shut of all electricity to Crimea and they have to bring in generators and running wirelines are going to take about a year and a half. Plus Ukraine is blocking the border checkpoint to Crimea and it takes a 200-300 dollar bribe to the border guards to get a truck in. This only inceases the incentive to keep fighting. Blackmailing Putin, Not smart Pork Chop.

New Russia already has most of the control of where the gas its at at least without Hato help which risks WW 111, Ukraine has squandered their fighting forces bombing people and going for political rather than military targets and now can't put down the separatists without outside help. scroll down and zoom on this website map to see the locations. Its kinda cute the way the fields lie in Crimea and the Donbass region. Almost exacty where the fighting is. Putins about 5 moves ahead of the DC/EU clowns.

The Knockdown dragout fight will be for the town Slovansk later this winter Where Porky will at least have some bargaining power over the underground gas if politics dont stop it. He's stackin the town full as we chat.

http://shalegas.in.ua/en/karta/

So the only question remains does New Russia go for the larger New Russia or secure the gas fields now. I think Porky Pig better cut a deal now before he loses a few more counties.

They are fighting for both airports tonight,one down one to go, which the separtists did not need without planes. Now they want em? Just having an airport ups the ante. If they purchase some aircraft ----ewwwwwwww who would stop them? Ukraine airforce is toasT.

Plus, the DNR has captured two Tocka-U  ballistic missle launchers. Only problem is they were empty no missles with it and noone that knows how to operate it. The Battalionn commander Alexi Brain says he has connections in Europe to obtain the missles being that this russian hardware is scattered all over the world. He said if he could afford the missles he wants six and  to go straight to Kiev with them and light Porkys world UP. Better swallow yur pride Fat boy the gig is up.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:16 | 5165253 TheGardener
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Divide and conquer at work.The Irish were depicted up to this day as savages from the European Isles. British special forces have had a licence to kill. Still have, silly folks.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 20:00 | 5165991 Razor_Edge
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You don't know what you're talking about. Nothing like Ireland, north or south.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:47 | 5165147 kliguy38
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....plenty of resources inside Ukraine....for all sides.....

 

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/612921/Ukraine/30105/Resources...

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 16:49 | 5165484 Lea
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Sun, 08/31/2014 - 19:02 | 5165841 NOZZLE
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Lea, St George! , Ti ci Russ?

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:22 | 5165088 El Oregonian
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So what happens when Hydrogen provides free energy fuel? Will the last filthy Int'l banksters and criminal Petro multi-national companies please climb in a hole and backfill it thereby doing all of mankind a huge favor.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:01 | 5165194 slightlyskeptical
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"So what happens when Hydrogen provides free energy fuel?"

You are delusional if you think we will pay anyone else but the multi-nationals if that comes about. Different song, same dance.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:25 | 5165292 DeadFred
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Contents as toxic as that require more than simple backfilling.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 20:30 | 5166073 Ginsengbull
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Hydrogen is expensive.

 

If they produce it cheaper, they will keep it priced "competitively".

 

It will always be expensive.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:07 | 5165044 Ignatius
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Not a real problem if they can get past their dumbfuckery and negotiate access.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:05 | 5165211 piratepiet
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I find that "landlocked is doomed" notion peculiar.

Switzerland : landlocked

Luxembourg : landlocked

Austria : landlocked

 

 

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:17 | 5165260 ShrNfr
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After a few more days of Russian planes, they may not have much of a Navy/Coast Guard to pay for anyway.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:59 | 5165373 Oldrepublic
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Bolivia still has a navy I understand

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 17:17 | 5165561 TheMeatTrapper
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"Bolivia still has a navy I understand"

Yes they do. The war with Chile in the early part of the previous century was when Bolivia lost their access to the sea. 

In many Bolivian homes they still display maps showing Bolivia with sea access. 

Back in the 1980's I spent a lot of time in Santa Cruz and into the Tri Border area. I had a chance to buy an HK pistol from a Bolivian Naval Officer - it was inscribed with the Bolivian Naval insignia. 

You cannot imagine how many times I have kicked myself for passing on that pistol. 

Long time ago. Different life. How times have changed - and how those times changed me. I spent six years down there and came home with an outlook on life that few Americans have. 

To this day I have a taste for chicha.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 16:09 | 5165394 fockewulf190
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Reminds me about what happened to another landlocked country 72 years ago...namely Czechoslovakia. This whole scenario is playing out like Sudetenland 2.0....and we all know what happened to the rest of Czechoslovakia after the Sudetenland was grabbed.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 18:45 | 5165615 Againstthelie
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Czechoslovakia was an artificial state, founded on the absurd lie of the existence of a Czechoslovakian nation. 6 million Czechs, 3.5 million Germans, 2 million Slovaks, half a million Hungarians and Ukrainians were locked in this state against their will. Churchill called this state a hostile aircraft carrier in the back of Germany.

With the breaking up of this artificial state, the Slovakians got their own state, the Hungarians united with their motherland, the rest of Carpathian-Ukraine became independent and the Olsa region with its Poles was given to Poland.

Contrary to the anti-Nazi propaganda lies, rest-Czechia, or Bohemia and Moravia was NOT integrated into the German Reich, but after the breaking up of the artificial state the former Czechoslovakian President Emil Hacha was authorized by the rest-Czech government to ask the German government for protection (Hungary was occupying the areas with Hungarians). Hitler accepts it and grants even more inner political autonomy than Bohemia and Moravia under Austrian rulership had.

And what also most people have no clue about: Hitler in Munich did not want parts of Czechoslovakia, but only wanted the areas where Germans were living, the Sudetenland.

And what even less people know: London was informed about the German plans of a protectorate and an expertise of the British foreign ministry came to the conclusion, that the German invasion was not a violation of the treaty of Munich!

 

 

A people should not be forced to live in a foreign state they don't want. The right of self-determination must be respected. That in 1990 this state, which after the war was rebuilt again and was founded on the genocide of the Germans in Sudetenland, imploded, shows, that the destruction of this construction 50 years earlier was good. Germany acted correctly.

 

If the Russians in eastern Urkaine do no longer want to live under Ukrainian rulership, then you want them to be enslaved and deny their rights? Then you are in the cosa nostra of the globalists, that denounce the treaty of Munich because it was a shining victory of the right for self-determination of nations.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 17:46 | 5165650 SDShack
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If Europe/US lose Eastern/Southern Ukraine it is game over. Western Ukraine offers nothing in total for Europe. It will exist essentially as a failed state, or eventually be completely partioned and absorbed by the border states of Belarus, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 19:03 | 5165829 Againstthelie
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Do not call the EU = Europe.

Currently there is a massive fight in the EU going on: The EU currently is anti-European, it follows the policy of the City of London & New York, to split continental Europe, create tensions in continental Europe, probably want an escalation torwards war. The more damage they can inflict on continental Europe, the worse for the Euro, as alternative to the dollar and if they keep the Russians out, they are in.

A united continental Europe with the axis Paris-Berlin-Moscow would mean the City of London & New York were out!

That's the game. And the question is, how strong USrael's fifth colony in the EU and it's vassals are and how strong are the sane European forces that understand, that Russia is a part of Europe and what tremendous possibilities the future with the new silk-road to Peking would offer.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 19:23 | 5165895 piratepiet
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Good thinking. 

Who or what is USrael's fifth colony in the EU ?

 

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 19:32 | 5165920 Againstthelie
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Barroso - Rompui - Merkel for example.

Mainstream media and it's tremendous influence.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 20:05 | 5165963 piratepiet
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A Paris-Berlin-Moscow axis makes a lot of sense, but history is not on its side. 

The French and Germans have managed what probably no one thought possible 70 years ago.  Will it work with the Russians?  Not sure.   It would take a lot of time in any case. 

And  : How could the Anglos ( mainly the Americans ) ever be made to accept such a thing ?

Maybe we throw in a TTP+ and make English the official language of the enlarged EU and make London the centre of it all.  Will it all balance out nicely so ?

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 03:39 | 5166836 Idaho potato head
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Or a coast guard...... Oh wait.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:01 | 5165024 Vampyroteuthis ...
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HINT TO NATO: Step down or I turn off all gas and the Ukraine army will end up in a massive grave.

wink wink, Putin

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:05 | 5165034 TahoeBilly2012
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The West hates them for their freedom.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:07 | 5165043 Latina Lover
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+10,000  If you were part of the ruling bankster class, you wouldn't want the western plantation tax slaves to get any ideas, would you?

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:21 | 5165095 markar
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So true. The West would rather nuke the place than see them a sovereign nation.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:04 | 5165209 Dubaibanker
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Anyone who believes Russia is attacking or 'invading' Ukraine, should see this video.

The Ukraine Govt is attacking it's own people and over 200k Ukrainians have fled to Russia instead of going towards Kiev. It is the local people who have risen against their own Govt attacking them, in order to save their homes and land.

How can Russia invade another country with barely 9 soldiers?

The Western people will pay for this mis-step with their tax dollars! When will the Western media wake up? Unfortunately all the Western media is owned by the same people and contradicts itself on a daily basis! What a charade!

No one talks about the black boxes of MH 17?

http://rt.com/shows/crosstalk/183576-ukraine-economy-civil-war/

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 16:54 | 5165500 Lea
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> "So true. The West would rather nuke the place than see them a sovereign nation"

No. Nobody is going to nuke anyone, because that would be nuke for nuke. And Washington doesn't want to end up like Hiroshima...

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:28 | 5165114 Escrava Isaura
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Article: "Vladimir Putin, appears to have changed course... Statehood for South Ukraine…”

Can’t wait until it goes four ways. The British and French want their part of the looting, too.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 17:04 | 5165527 Omen IV
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The only looting in the south of the D River wil be of ALL the assets of the Oligarchs - they will be charged with war crimes at $10 Billion a pop and then foreclose and the assets given to the people of Newco along with Ag and Oil and Gas

subsequent debt offering to Russia and China and then IPO of all the assets for 49% of the ownership - dividends to the peoples retirement / education and rebuilding

FUCK THE BIDEN FAMILY AS "BEARDS" FOR THE EU POLITICIANS

 

 

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 22:44 | 5166421 Escrava Isaura
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Omen IV,

Not sure what to make of your post.

Russia and China will be offer an IPO?

Why?

Once the dollar defaults/crashes, the only alternatives for foreigner will be to bring all the Fiat dollars back home (back to the US).

Think costs are high now?

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 18:15 | 5165729 Mine Is Bigger
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I spent the entire month of August in Odessa.  It appears the anti-Russian sentiment is growing here.  From what I saw and heard, this region will not join East Ukraine to form "New Russia."  Having said that, people are unhappy about the Kiev junta as well, especially about the military mobilization and the death toll on both sides.  The economy is clearly slowing down.  Another "revolution" could come as soon as this winter.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 19:12 | 5165863 COSMOS
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The outlying areas do not share your sentiments.  Many ethnic minorities there that would rather be part of Russia than a second hand state like the Ukraine, or EU serfs

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:50 | 5165344 TheGardener
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Pussy Putin to secures the landscape till the Atlantic
or his empty Kissinger instructed talk to no awail.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:59 | 5165374 TheGardener
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Fuck that scenario : German Freecorps in Russia in One Two Three . Nato has no army, Germany much less, voluntary Freecorps as back than against Napoleon 1:10 by now.

Sorry warmongers, ever heard of Freiherr vom Stein?

Germans to the rescue!

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 14:25 | 5172128 Lugnut
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Yet another chicken head for Putin. Don't forget to wipe your mouth.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:43 | 5165091 Zerohedge fan
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Ukraine unit surrenders:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYeeqPLNz6Y#t=147

Out of 500 men, only 20 ecscaped

Thats why Nato goes nuts, now

This is complete annihilation

Watch this video even if you do not understand

share this video as much as you can

Look, how they jump, it is so funny, they sing

he, who do not  jumps is a defender"

"he, who jumps is a faggot"

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:48 | 5165159 TheGardener
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Putin putin peoples lives for the better before geopoltics.

German Feecorps in one two three.

Jokes aside, ZH is predominantly /pro Germanic heritance.

Joint forces to assemble in Europe ,war is about.

Meet you at FEMA or European equivalent. Great times ahead.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 18:10 | 5165716 Bananamerican
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?

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:02 | 5164994 JustObserving
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Keep demonizing Putin and he will continue to raise the stakes:

Picking up on the scent, the CIA attack dogs in the US and European media blamed the crash squarely on Russian President Vladimir Putin. The cover of the July 28 print edition of German news magazine Der Spiegel showed the images of MH17 victims surrounding bold red text reading “Stoppt Putin Jetzt!” (Stop Putin Now!). A July 26 editorial in the Economist declared Putin to be the author of MH17’s destruction, while the magazine ghoulishly superimposed Putin’s face over a spider web on its front cover, denouncing Putin’s “web of lies.”

Anyone comparing the media’s demonization of Putin with their treatment of Saddam Hussein or Muammar Gaddafi had to conclude that Washington was launching a campaign for regime change in Russia like those it carried out in Libya and Iraq—this time, recklessly pushing the United States towards war with a nuclear-armed power, Russia.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/08/18/ukmh-a18.html

Since the beginning of the week, the three most influential mass circulation newsmagazines of the United States, Britain, and Germany—Time, The Economist, and Der Spiegel—have published cover stories that combine wild accusations against Vladimir Putin with demands for a showdown with Russia.

 

The most striking and obvious characteristic of these cover stories is that they are virtually identical. The CIA has scripted them all. The stories employ the same insults and the same fabrications. They denounce Putin’s “web of lies.” The Russian president is portrayed as a “depraved” mass murderer.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/07/30/pers-j30.html

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:15 | 5165050 matrix2012
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And this time, unlike in Iraq/Saddam Hussein and Libya/Moamar Gaddhafi, the Anglo-America Axis / NATO thugs / EU nexus  will find that Russia/Vladimir Putin -- another major nuclear power to reckon by every force, rich in essentially every resource that matters -- is quite different,,,,it will be an ultimate failure eventually.

The true history of Planet Earth will record that the coup d'état in Kiev to effect the regime change in the February 2014 iniatiated the fall of Petrodollar from its sole reign as the global reserve currency, thus posing a major crack upon The Empire.

 

Vladimir Putin was asked why the US can do whatever it wants and no one punishes them, while attempts are being made to punish Russia.

“The US is certainly one of the world’s leaders. At some point it seemed that it was the only leader and a uni-polar system was in place.

Today it appears that is not the case. Everything in the world is interdependent and once you try to punish someone, in the end you will cut off your nose to spite your face,” he said.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:02 | 5165196 Time for Titus
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But ... but .. but ... that makes too much sense. 

Politicians aren't supposed to make that much sense.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:01 | 5165003 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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Ukraine, as the country we know it as, appears to be in its twilight hours. The odds are that the region will end up as a hideously enlarged Bosnia. These are bad times indeed. For this entire continent.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:09 | 5165049 Latina Lover
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The Ukraine was never a real country, but a conglomeration of competing nationalities arbitrarily slapped together by the former USSR.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:24 | 5165092 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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Arguably, this is true. The worrying part is that a similar dynamic also holds for a wide range of other countries/conglomerates across Europe, as the independence movements of Flanders, Catalonia, Scotland and various other places illustrate.

It is as if the concept of the nation state itself is increasingly coming under pressure.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:26 | 5165106 Sandmann
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It cannot be a nation state if it is not a nation.......

Scotland is simply disgusted with London centralisation as is Northern England.

 

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:39 | 5165134 Publicus
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It's starting to look true for the USA as well. Or was that just "diversity"?

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:04 | 5165203 robertocarlos
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Maybe the Germans will take back the Queen of England.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 18:14 | 5165730 Aaaarghh
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please..they can have the lot...free of charge, shit, we'll even ferry them across for them.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:39 | 5165133 Publicus
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Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:04 | 5165202 Time for Titus
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Pat Buchanan writes about this trend regularly. He is expecting quite a bit of "balkanization" in the coming decades.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 17:26 | 5165590 TheMeatTrapper
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"It is as if the concept of the nation state itself is increasingly coming under pressure."

That is a good thing. Nations should be constructed by peoples with a common language, border and culture. 

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 17:52 | 5165668 Lea
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> "It is as if the concept of the nation state itself is increasingly coming under pressure."

It's not the concept of the nation-state that's on the decline - quite the opposite - it's the EU phony construction. Imagine a super-state consisting entirely of unelected leaders the populations barely know the names of, headed by the USA, not doing anything but banking, money printing, and taking God knows what decisions, all to do with private corporations and big business. Those decisions are then forced on the populations (who never know in advance what fresh catastrophe is being cooked up in the headquaters of the EU, so they can't prepare any protest actions).

As for whatever ideology the EU promotes, there's nothing else than Washington's latest agenda (LGBT rights, gender equality nonsense, ... er... I was trying to think but no, that's all). And the different countries populations don't know or talk to each other. In a nutshell, that's the EU.

So, logically, countries are fed up with being dictated to and want to take off to make their own decisions. What we're seeing is the return of the nation-states.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:28 | 5165299 downwiththebanks
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Not exactly.  'Ukraine' was a creation of the German general staff in 1918.  During the Russian Civil War, 'Ukrainians' loyal to the Red Army fought the Whites (many of whom later allied themselves to the Nazis, with the creation of the Galician Waffen SS).

Still your point is valid:  Ukraine is a fictive creation (like "Israel) of the last couple decades.  Time for it to vanish from the pages of time...

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 13:58 | 5165005 Hellone
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put it to a vote! let the citizens of that region decide what country they wish to be apart of or a Sovereign of themselves all together! O rite by the Nato and state department standards that sounds like terrorism

of course the only logical thing to do is to make Ukraine a part of Nato and then put in missile defense systems on the most eastern part of the nation i mean obviously! thats the only sensible action to take. "idiots"

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:26 | 5165293 demoses
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I guess USA would then bring in their own "MagicBallotCountingDevices". Just to make sure that "democracy" wins :P

 

120% for a united Ukrain joining NATO and -30% to join Russia sound about right.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 21:51 | 5166274 conscious being
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Youtube - Princeton University exposes Diebold [The MagicBallotCountingDevice company] flaws.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZws98jw67g

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 17:53 | 5165673 SDShack
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Allowing the citizens to vote and choose their own allegience is what Crimea did.... which means that the West has to oppose it. Of course, when the West allowed Kosovo to do exactly the same thing, it was supported. Putin is just following the new world order established by the West in the Balkins.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 19:57 | 5165986 Ginsengbull
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The AK votes louder than a ballot box.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 13:58 | 5165008 Bossman1967
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hmm so Puttin hasn't been truthfully and the 2nd convoy of help on the way. A Trojan bourse one would think. this shit is hilarious and where is Obama plying a round of golf?

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:17 | 5165069 Winston Churchill
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The US/EU should have stuck to the agreed deal. The doublecrossed Putin, and

now its going to bite them in the ass, because Russia will now longer trust them to comply

with the terms of any deal.

The dynamic has changed. Unconditional surrender of the SE is all thats left on the table

for Kiev.

What a differnce a fortnight makes.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:28 | 5165108 Latina Lover
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The  USSA/EU made the classic mistake of drinking their own Koolaid, believing their own propaganda.  The Ukie government is a lie, from revolution to war, a false reality they created that ultimately ensnared them.

One is reminded of Hitler screaming in his bunker, moving imaginary armies and claiming imminent victory, LOL

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:02 | 5165009 Ignatius
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"President Vladimir Putin today dramatically raised the stakes in the Ukraine conflict..."

The stakes were raised when Nuland was handing out cookies to the Neo Nazis. 

See this interview with Donetsk seperatists pointed to by PCR and to enjoy their seriousness, intelligence and humor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH35raTPVu8

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:27 | 5165107 vietnamvet
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Unlike the Ukranians, these guys are deadly serious and come from the same stock that eventually defeated the high-tech Germans and their Uke puppets during WWII.  You can count on them to do the same to the current puppets.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:12 | 5165235 Freddie
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Putin should ask the West - when are they going to release the transcripts, cockpit records and info from Malaysian airliner?  Just like the 9/11 transcripts.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 17:14 | 5165555 JohninMK
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The do keep asking in the UN.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:00 | 5165010 jubber
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Dow futures should gap up 60 points again like they did last Sunday on this fab news

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:03 | 5165022 goldhedge
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PUTIN or

UKRAINE (aka EU aka NATO aka USA)

 

 

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:07 | 5165027 socalbeach
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Porky should accept the offer before he loses even more territory.  He should have stuck to selling chocolates, he doesn't cut it as commander-in-chief.  The war is already spreading to other oblasts (assuming there's not a Kharkiv in Donetsk or Lugansk).

(31.08.2014)

Kharkiv guerrillas attacked a convoy of the enemy in the occupied BTR-4

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:11 | 5165052 Latina Lover
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There isn't a Kharkiv in the Donbass. The uprising against Kiev is spreading.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:25 | 5165101 Tenshin Headache
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Kharkiv is the name of the city and of the oblast, Kharkiv Oblast. It's to the west of Donetsk and Lugansk.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 18:03 | 5165694 Lea
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The old natural border of Russian Ukraine was the Dnieper, that's to say Kiev. The Novorossians remember that point very well.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:04 | 5165033 DOGGONE
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These compelling histories are kept seldom seen by USA people, severely deceiving them, by omission. Putin could end this omission ... I think this gives Putin sizable leverage vs. Obama.

"The Public Be Suckered"
http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1223928

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:14 | 5165062 Fix It Again Timmy
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Why not?...

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:16 | 5165065 Joe Tierney
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Heh, heh, heh....

 

Putin - "Putin spoke of the need to end hostilities before winter..."

 

Yeah, because if this isn't settled to Russia's specs by then, Europe can expect to freeze their dumb asses off this winter.

 

Another very, very sly and potent and effective statement by Russia designed specifically for consumption by the euros - think and act independently of the U.S. and your winter will be warm and fuzzy. Remain as America's bitches and you're going to shiver your tits off.

 

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:04 | 5165213 agent default
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Cutting off gas is a slap on the wrist compared to what Russia can do to Europe's banking system.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 16:18 | 5165412 BigJim
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The ECB and Fed will bail out any major bankruptcies due to Russia... or anything else, for that matter.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 16:38 | 5165467 bid the soldier...
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Considering they've been doing it for 3 - 4 years, where's the news in your comment?

Just sayin'.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 23:43 | 5166552 pot_and_kettle
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No, man.. the weather is out of anyone's reach.  It seems every winter I read about -40 to -50 F happening in Germany. et al.  No heat in that kind of cold is no slap on the wrist.  Those lederhosen are tucked away until April!

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:30 | 5165078 himaroid
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Putin should send oBUMMER hunter biden's head in a basket.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:22 | 5165096 vietnamvet
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It's pretty clear that there's no point in appeasing the US/EU/NATO and it's time to secure a land bridge from Novorossia to the Crimea.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 17:16 | 5165563 JohninMK
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It would (will) be from Crimea direct to Russia over the Kersch Straight.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:23 | 5165098 Tracerfan
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If you like your US-created Nazi rump Ukrainian state, you can keep your US-created Nazi rump state, which will infect the rest of Europe to the west.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:30 | 5165116 Johnny Moscow
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Throw in some Jewish Oligarch control of the economy and you've got a clearer picture. I can't believe that the oligarchs want this to escalate at this point. Entering the EU kinda screws them too doesn't it? (i.e. more oversight, less ability to run their quasi-mafia scams and corporations). But then again both Poro and Yatsiunuk are both bigtime corrupt oligarchs so who knows.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:25 | 5165102 Sandmann
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This is clearly why things have changed......

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.de/2014/08/watershed-press-conference-by-t...

These guys are impressive.....listen to the weedy English voices of journos

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:30 | 5165295 matrix2012
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Thanks a lot Sandman for the awesome link!

 

A MUST TO SEE PRESS CONFERENCE BY THE FREEDOM FIGHTERS OF THE REPUBLIC OF NOVOROSSIYA

 

Yes, the video of the press conference IS VERY IMPRESSIVE. It outlines the essential reasons for the existence of a sovereign nation, a sovereign country: VALUES, LANGUAGE, RESOURCES, WAYS OF LIFE, TRADITIONS, FREE CHOICE...every reason why one nation differs from the other; why the Planet Earth can't be merged into one big camp as propagandized by the globalization; CAN'T be managed under One World Government; CAN'T be managed under ONE WORLD ORDER!!!

A MUST SEE VIDEO for every one with conscience seeking out the truth wiping out all the propaganda's by The Ministry Of Truth

 

The Vineyard of the Saker: Watershed press conference by top Novorussian officials (MUST SEE!)

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.de/2014/08/watershed-press-conference-by-t...

 

Spoken Russian with the FULL ENGLISH SUBTITLES 

(please press on the 'cc' button to enable the English subtitles)

"This is the first time that we hear what the new - post Strelkov - commanders have to say.  This is the first time that the Novorussians are going on the offensive.  And this is the first time that we get to hear the views, values and ideas of the people fighting against the Nazi junta.  This is truly a watershed moment."

The Vineyard of the Saker

 

GOD BLESS THE PEOPLE OF REPUBLIC OF NOVOROSSIYA

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 16:11 | 5165399 trulz4lulz
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Pretty hard to not like those two fuckers! Loved the video, thanks for the link! PWND!

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 02:17 | 5166730 palmereldritch
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Amazing press conference. Nice to see the spirit of George Washington lives there with their commanders...if not in the West

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:27 | 5165103 matrix2012
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ALL BEST WISHES for the Southeastern Ukraine or now known as the latest sovereign country: REPUBLIC OF NOVOROSSIYA.

If Yugoslavia could break up into many new nations, why is there any difference for the Southeastern Ukraine to evolve into the REPUBLIC OF NOVOROSSIYA :-) lol....

who says who, WHY should the Planet Earth endure double standard continuously??? Sorry, we don't swallow the shitshow for ever!!!

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:32 | 5165118 vietnamvet
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Russia and Novorossia are playing this right out of the "Art Of War".  They have the moral advantage, geographic advantage, logistical advantage, and probably the intelligence advange as well, and they appear to be demoralizing their opponents, parading their prisoners and taking their weapons.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:32 | 5165123 Son of Captain Nemo
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Does "Wa-Po" have anything to say about the nearly 1 million refugees that George Soros' NGOs with the help of Cheveron and Exxon Mobil created through the funding of the overthrow of the previous government that put their subservient vassal(s) into power?...

Oh and did I forget to mention the more than 2,000 dead and 6,000 injured civilians as a direct result of the overthrow of that previous democratically elected government in 2010 that forced those Ukrainians to flee to their neighbor for safety and in the process has ruined their economy which will take years to rebuild thanks to NATO?

UKRAINIAN REFERENDUM 2015... Like Crimea Russia will own the rest of it because the people of Ukraine will be DEMANDING IT!!!

Little wonder the CFR made the statement they made more than a week ago regarding the U.S. being at fault for the turmoil in Russia's backyard?

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:35 | 5165129 Johnny Moscow
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No they don't, and the silence is deafening. The West started this war and now it's a God-awful mess. Unbelievable.

How anyone can think the US and EU are "the good guys" at this point is beyond me. The press have a lot to answer for here (and in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Egypt, the "Arab Spring" etc.)

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 17:03 | 5165529 Freddie
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Wa Post has always been a tool of Langely and Buffett is the major shareholder plus tribe family owners. I forget their names - ahh Graham's. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Post

The newspaper was purchased in a bankruptcy auction in 1933 by the former Chairman of the Federal Reserve's board of governors, Eugene Meyer, who restored the newspaper's health and reputation. In 1946, Meyer was succeeded as publisher by his son-in-law, Philip Graham.

Nixon and Watergate?   The reason they too Nixon down is that he was for tarriffs.   This secret files and info were passed to reporters>  Wrong. Given to their stooge Ben Bradley.

Here is Ukrainian people confronting the military officcers about sending their sons to death in Eastern Ukraine for the zio dual citizen oligarchs in Kiev.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:33 | 5165124 Johnny Moscow
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For the record the old maps I've seen pretty much have the region on the map named Novorossiya so it's got a history. 

But Putin's spokesperson said that the new region will still be in the context of a Ukraine:

"Mr Putin's spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, later said the president's remarks on "statehood" should not be taken to mean an actual separate entity, and that the Ukrainian crisis was a "domestic" one."

In any event, all quiet here in Kiev and Maidan cleaned up. There are a TON of new propaganda posters calling for conscripts for the military though.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:39 | 5165140 GalacticEmissary
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And yet Victori Noodlebrain still has a job. On the taxpayer's dime no less.

What a country!

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:56 | 5165177 Johnny Moscow
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Well she's married to Neocon Robert Kagan so go figure. 

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:43 | 5165146 Quinvarius
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Goldman said this was all transient.  Looks liek they should have taken the other side of all their transient trades.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 16:34 | 5165458 HardlyZero
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Yellen Noise, similar to white noise.

How low (and to the West) will Putin go ?

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:45 | 5165150 insanelysane
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Why is Oblast written in every region in east Ukraine?

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:55 | 5165171 Winston Churchill
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County is the nearest english equivalent to oblast.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:43 | 5165327 insanelysane
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Thanks.  Probably should start boning up on Russian because any minute the Russians and ISIS will be marching down main street USA.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 19:51 | 5165968 Ginsengbull
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Oblast is a contraction, meaning 0bama-blast'em.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:46 | 5165155 walküre
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Saw and heard Putin address a large group of 20+ something students in Russia last week.  He spoke like a true statesman and the audience was taken by the performance. He spoke geopolitics, his views on America and NATO. He spoke East Ukraine and the strategy there.

No teleprompter.

This guy knows his stuff and knows what he is talking about.

Bye bye USD and bye bye American Empire.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 20:20 | 5166050 MKD
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i saw bits and pieces of it.i was very impressed by the way he was talking and how patriotic he is for russia and also i was impressed by the kids as well.i could never picture the australian prime minister and students sitting down like that and discussing how to make australia a better place.here the politicians bullshit as much as they can.also i know for a fact here is that the politicians here are too scared to take risks, all they look forward to is to try and stay in government for 8 years which then they are eligible for $100000+ dollars tax free,free travel and other benefits for the rest of their lives.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 22:00 | 5166304 Freddie
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I saw it too. Very impressive.  No teleprompter.  The young people were impressive as well. No tattoos, piercings, pants falling off, texting, piercings, hipsters or other BS.  Very civilized and intelligent.

Do Europeans want their children to be like that or a ghetto rat culture that TV and Hollywood push?

Europeans can either be smart and work with the intelligent Russians or debase their society and become like America.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 02:08 | 5166728 trader1
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Take a deep breath and close your eyes
Open your mind and you'll realize
You're just a pawn of tiny size
And nobody cares

- Dust to Dust, "New Low"

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:55 | 5165163 Jack Burton
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Washington DC, the exceptional city, will go fucking nuts when they hear this! Their entire Kiev Coup has gone down the drain! The big dream of NATO Navies in Sevastopol, of dozens of NATO forward Airfields and Missile bases right on Russia's borders all shot to shit!

Of a Ukraine in debt to the IMF and forced to sell all resources and assets at cheap prices to western corporate interests. Of an entire Ukrainian population enslaved to pay off IMF loans and to work for minimum wages for US resource extraction companies.

All these American dreams fucked up the ass, fucked by a small army of rebels who are destroying the American/Kiev conquering forces in Donbass.

It all looked so easy last winter. A Coup. A US controlled Government. Dozens of fascist Militias to enforce US control across the country. The entire Ukraine a NATO forward operating base, and a nation so in debt to Western Banks that it would cease to be independent as a nation, but as a colonial ward of Washington DC.

The dream will die hard! The Washington DC Neocon exceptionalists may even contemplate global war to win back their lost prize. Be warned, these fuckers take losing very hard! If we can't have it, we will fucking destroy it for everyone, that is Washington's new creed of global expansion!

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:10 | 5165208 Winston Churchill
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Thats my biggest fear Jack.

If Obozo's failing mental condition is symptomatic of everyone else inside the beltway,

there are no sane players on "our" side to de-escalate this.

They may even believe their own koolaid ,US "exceptional" meme, which is a great tool to use on the

mark sheep as a control mechanism( no exceptional person could be being conned,after all),

but is exceedingly dangerous when the rulers believe it.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:18 | 5165242 agent default
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Don't be taken in by the posturing too much.  When push comes to shove the US will cut and run leaving the EU out to dry.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:25 | 5165287 Winston Churchill
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The US will have the EU destroyed before ceding it to the eurasian trade block.

Economically will do, but as a last resort, actually.

I think that has been made very plain to to EU leaders. Bribes and threats of exposing their

various crmes and/or pervesions, just doesn't explain their suicidal actions.

A scorched earth retreat, or a win, are the only options  the pyschopaths that be,will

accept IMO.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 16:18 | 5165411 oudinot
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Jack: Well said, thanks.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 18:36 | 5165774 Lea
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"The big dream of NATO Navies in Sevastopol,"

If they thought for a split second they were going to take Sevastopol, they were on some hallucinatory bubble, somewhere on planet Mars. The Russians will never let go of Sevastopol. For fuck's sake, any history book would have warned them: Sevastopol is not just a military basis, it's also a symbol of Russian heroism (see War of Crimea, see WW2).

And no, the Washington DC Neocon won't do anything in the way of global war. They are psychopaths, and those love bombing and killing... others, never themselves. At heart, they are pitiful subhuman cowards.

And nukes fly both ways.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 14:58 | 5165186 world_debt_slave
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Putin should know action speaks louder than talk, e.g. Obungler

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:04 | 5165205 ThisTimeIsDifferent
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„Das Militär kommt nach der Politik, nur im Kriege ist es ihr Schrittmacher“

(http://gutezitate.com/autor/erich-ludendorff)

Cheers from the founding fathers of modern Ukraine: Field Marshal Paul von Hindenburg and General Erich Ludendorff

http://tarpley.net/metaphysical-doubts-concerning-the-existence-of-modern-ukraine-a-1918-creation-of-the-german-general-staff/

 

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:31 | 5165308 downwiththebanks
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Yep--from its inception, Ukraine was created to attack Russia.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:07 | 5165221 SocialismIsCancer
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Don't worry -- the USA and the world are privileged to enjoy the leadership of the great genius social parasite obama and his vermin horde of parasite supporters, we will be saved from peril by his supreme wisdom, shrewd judgement, daring courage, proven diplomatic skill, and hidden strategic & military prowess, aided by his pompous arrogant egotistical speechifying, pontificating, and sermonizing. I am sure that Putin and his supporters just quiver in fear of retaliation by the great ghetto rabble rouser obama and will back down very soon. All the peoples in eastern Europe who live on the borders of Russia must be so reassured of  their freedom and safety knowing that the great fraud obama is leading the Free World. How reassuring.

bush, the greatest moron in history, and obama, the greatest parasite in history, both stunningly incompetent, are abundant proof that democray by proletariat is even worse than monarchy.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 23:54 | 5166570 Wahooo
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16 years of those suckers, just amazing. In less than 2 decades, America was defeated.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:31 | 5165223 piratepiet
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Where does Zbigniew Brzezinski stand on all this ?

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:51 | 5165348 agent default
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Right behind Psaki's butt.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 16:12 | 5165398 InsaneAngloWarLord
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I once stood right behind Psaki's butt. I was impotent for a full week

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 18:59 | 5165452 piratepiet
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Are you telling me the US geopolitical masterminds would ever admit to a balance of power strategy versus Europe by mouth of a spokesperson ( like Psaki ) ? ( because a balance of power strategy with the break up of Ukraine might be what they are looking for, just a possibility imho ).

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:09 | 5165230 laesterzunge
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Completely foreseeable:

http://staatsstreich.at/ukraine-will-the-east-secede.html 

"Novorussia becoming a full fledged state would result in calming down the crisis and opening up opportunities to defuse the conflict by means of politics. A 'solution' like this may count on the tacit approval by Berlin and maybe Paris. But it is doubtful if the US, their eastern european junior partners and Ukrainian nationalists would accept such a move."

If Kiev turns a deaf ear, rebels/Moscow will seek a military solution in eastern Ukraine, while being content with a de facto solution.

 

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:14 | 5165247 besnook
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alright. this is embarrassing. i am rooting for anyone to take down the empire but i want the empire to put up a fight. not just wrist slapping stuff but real manly flailing tyrant stuff like israel does. more civilians need to be killed for one, so more apartment buildings, hospitals need bombing, dead kids are good so more schools need bombing and markets, markets need to be bombed. just bomb the shit out of them. doesn't matter who, just bomb them. bomb them now!

obambam needs to earn his peace prize with more war is peace action.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 16:10 | 5165395 Rock On Roger
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As long as it is nimby eh?

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 01:51 | 5166707 matrix2012
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@ besnook

 

I'd agree to vote up that proposition... at ONE condition only:

let the fanfare killing party kick off from the area of your residence!

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:17 | 5165259 AdvancingTime
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At this point Putin holds all the cards, this will become more obvious as winter nears and events unfold.  It seems both Russia and many of the separatist in Eastern Ukraine would support federalization. Surely, no reason exist for Kiev to be opposed other than a loss of power. A more federalized government is also the most plausible way of keeping Ukraine intact.

Support for sanctions is mixed in Europe as some countries fear Russia and have an ax to grind with Putin while others wish to move forward. Saber rattling has only lead to death and destruction.  As I see it little good will come from further bloodshed and it is time for the West to stop sending money to Kiev so they can ramp up the violence and continue the civil war. More on the progress being made in the article below.

http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/08/eu-moving-towards-deal-on-ukraine...

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 02:01 | 5166719 matrix2012
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"It seems both Russia and many of the separatist in Eastern Ukraine would support federalization."


@ AdvancingTime --> Time has CHANGED!

Watch out the press conference video and Putin's remarks carefully...

NO MORE FEDERALIZATION !!!

The huge blood spills there already kill off the earlier idea. Only the FULL INDEPENDENCE will satisfy the spirit of REPUBLIC OF NOVOROSSIYA.

Please go back and rewrite your story... :-)

 

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:20 | 5165268 DavidC
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Calling Victoria Nuland...calling Victoria Nuland...

DavidC

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:21 | 5165275 besnook
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putin doesn't strike me as a bagdad bob type of guy. i think it would be fair to speculate that the russian seperatists in ukraine are winning their skirmish with the ukraine military. putin's message is a warning that now is better than later when more than half the country wants a new ukraine.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:55 | 5165362 Jorgen
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"russian seperatists in ukraine are winning"

Pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine are winning.

or

Russian-speaking separatists in Ukraine are winning.

FIFY

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:33 | 5165309 bid the soldier...
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Isn't it time you updated your article?

CHELYABINSK, August 31 (RIA Novosti) – Russian President Vladimir Putin in his Sunday’s interview called for inclusive negotiations inside Ukraine, not granting statehood to Novorossiya, the union of Donetsk and Luhansk republics in the east of the country, the Russian leader’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov said.

"The inclusive negotiations, which should determine the relationships [of Kiev] with eastern regions, that is, negotiations inside Ukraine on the internal Ukrainian order with respect for the interests of the country’s eastern regions, the interests of Novorossiya - the way, extent and mechanisms of this process. That’s what the president meant," Peskov said.

The Kremlin spokesperson added that giving some status to Novorossia was totally out of the question, which “becomes clear after reading the president’s statement.”

 

“The president, as a matter of fact, was referring to the need of the inclusive talks, the earliest beginning of which had been emphasized way back in documents and signed in various formats, including the document signed by foreign ministers in Berlin,” Peskov added.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 15:42 | 5165325 Winston Churchill
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Good cop,bad cop.

The Russians know the game.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 16:14 | 5165407 bid the soldier...
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Good Media, Bad Media can be a useful tool, too.

It's hard to believe that the US MSM, NYT, WaPo, et al have put aside all references to the Kiev ATC recordings.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 17:28 | 5165576 piratepiet
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I would not be surprised.  ( although I am not sure you understand that expression in the same way as I do in this context )

                   You post from Londongrad, Winston ?

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 17:43 | 5165628 Winston Churchill
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Floridagrad, Martin oblast.

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