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These Clowns Are Dragging Us Into War

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From  Raúl Ilargi Meijer of The Automatic Earth

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These Clowns Are Dragging Us Into War

In 8 weeks, on October 26, there are – supposed to be – parliamentary elections in Ukraine. What’s that going to look like? Who’s going to vote? In the presidential elections a few months ago, most of east Ukraine did not vote. How many different ways are there to define democracy and still remain credible?

In an interview today on Russian Channel 1, Vladimir Putin commented on the upcoming elections: “All the participants in the electoral race will want to show how cool they are; Everyone will want to show they are strongmen or strongwomen, and as the political struggle sharpens it is hard to expect anyone to seek a peaceful resolution and not a military one.” That would seem to be an accurate prediction.

The EU yesterday (in yet another definition of democracy) picked its new president. They chose Polish PM Donald Tusk, which may seem a bit strange since Tusk doesn’t speak a word of either English or French, and he comes from a nation that is not even in the Eurozone, yet he will now now get to chair meetings that concern the euro. But Tusk is a hawk on Russia, and therefore suspiciously convenient to the inner core of Washington and Brussels’ control apparatus. He’s said more bad and ugly things about Russia and Putin than just about anyone recently, and that’s saying something.

The US and EU have worked for years to see their desire to take over Ukraine come to fruition. They’ve come a long way, but they wanted Crimea and the Donbass region most of all, and those they still don’t have. Still, they’ve so far shown themselves more than willing to assist first in killing thousands of eastern Ukrainians to get what they want, and now they are prepared to start a war over it.

The well-prepared, built-up step by step, storyline in the western press is the threat of Russia’s expansionary drift. Hence this Reuters piece:

Polish President Warns Germany Of Putin’s ‘Empire’ Ambitions

Polish President Bronislaw Komorowski said that Vladimir Putin is trying to build a new Russian empire for Moscow and that the region now had to choose whether it wanted “a Cossack Europe or a democratic one”. “Russia has carried out an invasion in Ukraine,” the Polish head of state told German public radio. Komorowski said Putin was quite open about his ambitions to “rebuild the empire”. The Polish president is an ally of Prime Minister Donald Tusk. “I hope Germans are sufficiently mindful of what a Soviet empire meant for Europe,” Komorowski told Deutschlandradio Kultur and Deutschlandfunk, warning against any reprise of the pre-World War Two “appeasement policy of yielding to Hitler”.

That’s the kind of thing where I go: Huh? Did I see that right? You try to scare the Germans by referring to a Russia that by now has been history for almost 25 years, a Russia that was instrumental in saving Europe from the Third Reich and lost 20-30 million people in the process, by reminding them of an 80-year old policy of appeasement to Hitler? The Germans?

When we look at what has actually happened over the past decade, and what we can prove when it comes to expansion drift, that is without a doubt a painfully hollow story. Since what we actually do know, what is not mere conjecture, is that it has instead been the west, through NATO, that has been in expansion mood.

Despite solid agreements not to move NATO’s borders eastward, the alliance has done nothing but move east, and is now planning to put even more troops and new army bases right on Russia’s doorstep. The narrative to justify this NATO expansion that breaches those former agreements, which we can see time and again, is that Russia is moving west, for which there is no proof, only accusations, and that NATO territory is inviolable, but Ukraine is not a NATO member.

No NATO territory is under threat of being violated, other than inside the narrative. Moreover, while voices in Europe increasingly claim that the threat to Ukraine is a threat to Europe (i.e. the EU), Ukraine is no more an EU member than it is a NATO member. Brussels seems to want it to be, but that’s where the narrative ends. So it’s simply being changed on the fly and has now become: “Ukraine is fighting a war on behalf of all Europe”, according Lithuanian leader Dalia Grybauskaite.

Which is where I think: really, Ukraine has killed over 2000 of its own citizens ‘on behalf of Europe’?

The entire conflict could be solved in a heartbeat if Kiev would simply tell the Donbass leadership that they can be autonomous. But that’s not what Poroshenko wants, or Yatsenyuk, and certainly not Washington and Brussels. Because the Donbass is by far the richest region in Ukraine. Which however happens to be home to people who don’t want to be ruled by the present Kiev leadership. Well, so you kill a bunch of them and instill fear in the rest, right?

Putin had something to say about that too, first in Agence France Presse’s version of his Channel 1 interview:

Putin Urges Ukraine ‘Statehood’ Talks

Russian President Vladimir Putin today sharply raised the stakes in the Ukraine conflict by calling for the first time for statehood to be considered for the restive east of the former Soviet state. Mr Putin’s defiant remarks came just hours after the EU gave Moscow – which the bloc accuses of direct involvement in the insurgency – a week to change course or face new sanctions. “We need to immediately begin substantive talks… on questions of the political organisation of society and statehood in southeastern Ukraine … ”

And then the way RT reported it:

Putin: Impossible To Say When Political Crisis In Ukraine Will End

The devastated infrastructure of the southeast requires full repair otherwise people might just freeze to death, he said. “It looks as if only Russia cares about that. The first most essential condition is to stop combat operations and begin reconstruction of the infrastructure, replenish inventories, do the necessary repairs and scheduled maintenance to be ready for the cold season.” [..]


Russian President Vladimir Putin has called on Kiev to start substantial talks on deescalating the crisis in eastern Ukraine. He added that it’s an illusion to expect that the rebels would calmly watch their homes being destroyed. “We have agreed on a plan, so its realization must be pursued,” Putin told Channel 1 TV, adding that the Ukrainian government “must immediately start substantial talks – not a technical discussion – on the political organization of society and the state in southeast Ukraine so that the interests of people who live there are protected.” The plan, according to Russia’s leader, puts negotiations at the center of the peace process.[..]


Commenting on the new batch of sanctions against Russia threatened by western countries, Putin advised his counterparts to think again about what they are advocating. “What are the so-called European values then? Support for an armed coup, suppression of opponents with armed forces – so these are ‘European values’? I believe our colleagues should be reminded of their own ideals … ”

In the meantime, the rumors and allegations don’t just continue, they get stronger. Evidence hasn’t been a factor is this game for a long time, and it is not now. Just today, I’ve seen 2 Russian ladies who say 100 Russian troops died in a battle earlier this month, Kiev claiming that Russian tanks ‘flattened’ an entire village, and Ukraine soldiers saying their comrades who were given safe passage after being trapped, were shot at.

It just never stops, or so it seems. We’ve been subject so far to a tsunami of allegations and accusations, and 99%+ of them have come with zero evidence. But now we risk being pulled into a outright war despite the lack of evidence. Really, it’s come to this: we’re asking for just one piece of evidence for all the accusations we’ve been made party to. Just the one!

Essentially, the western leadership is saying that if the ‘Donbass rebels’, and Russia, won’t let the Ukraine army do just what it wants in east Ukraine, there will be war. But it’s not our leaders who are going to be the boots on the ground. And because Obama has pledged no US military involvement in Ukraine – though CIA, Blackwater and who knows who else, are present anyway -, it will have to be European boots on the ground in Ukraine.

Perhaps prior to the official war declaration our politicians and media can tell us where the remains of the BUK rocket are that’s alleged to have downed MH17, where the contents are of the black boxes, and where the Air Traffic Control conversations with the pilots are which were allegedly confiscated by the Ukraine secret service on July 17.

It’s perhaps hard to remember due to the misinformation tsunami, but the MH17 has been a major driver of the western public’s anger vs Russia, and their acceptance of sanctions and other decisions, and now the threat of war. While it still may just as well not have been the Donbass rebels who shot that plane, but the Ukraine army, or Blackwater or the CIA. We simply don’t know.

The west says that the war in east Ukraine is caused by Russia’s support for the rebels. Just like the overriding narrative today is that the west reacts to what Russia does, while in reality it’s the other way around.

The entire Ukraine conflict could be resolved tomorrow morning if Kiev, and its western support, would pledge to stop waging war on the Donbass. And give it a separate status, either within Ukraine or in a separate state. After half a year+ of warfare, how else could you resolve this crisis? Only through more bloodshed, that’s how.

But our western leadership is simply too trigger happy for comfort. Based on only hints and allegations. There’s a NATO conference in Wales this week; Obama, Merkel, they’ll all be there. I suggest you just watch and listen what comes out of that. It won’t be pretty. Peace will not be a commonly used term there. While for all of us, and all the civilians in the Donbass, that’s all we want.

But these clowns are dragging us into war. And yes, maybe it would be a good idea for you to tell them that you don’t want them to. Before your kids, or their friends, their neighbors, start dying in some far away ugly theater they should never have been part of.

Is peace impossible in Ukraine today? No. Not at all. But it is as long as the west keeps its hopes for conquering the Donbass alive. It should have known that from the start, and perhaps it did, and started this crusade anyway, because the grand prize it’s after is Russia itself. Over our dead bodies.


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Sun, 08/31/2014 - 17:24 | 5165580 roadhazard
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There are enough clowns to go around no matter where you look.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 17:37 | 5165621 0b1knob
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Just let Hitler (er I mean Putin) have Czechoslovakia (errr I mean eastern Ukraine) and we will have peace in out time (ahhh....I mean a return to status quo)

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 17:41 | 5165635 Supernova Born
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Nuland says fuck peace.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 17:50 | 5165664 strannick
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NWO will prevail over all our dead bodies, and be given the keys to Satan's charboiled holocaustic kingdom

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 18:23 | 5165749 Rubicon
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I stopped reading when it said Tusk doesnt speak English. Tosh.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 18:34 | 5165772 X.inf.capt
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i dont want to see another war...

ive just gotten over remembering all those knocked out T-72's and BMP's in, i still remember the smell...those things caught fire real easy, this is going to SUCK!

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 20:03 | 5166008 MalteseFalcon
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OK, if they aren't buying Putin as Hitler and the appeasement angle. 

How about "if Ukraine falls, then the dominoes will fall all the way to Paris and maybe further?"  No? 

How about "remember MH17 to war with Russia!".  What's that?  Our side shot it down?  OK, OK.

Uh, how about "Russia has historically been a expansionist power and we must stop unchecked aggression!".  No? 

Maybe "babies thrown out of incubators"? 

"The Ukraine is America's closest and oldest ally!"? 

"Ukraine is the only democracy in Europe west of Moldova!"?

How about if the Russians bombed some children?  I think we have footage of Ukrainians doing it.  Who could tell the difference?

Maybe Russians as pedophiles?  Show some guys with masks on, say it was Putin.  Guess that wouldn't play well with some of our allies right now. 

I like Putin as the new Hitler.  Get rid of the nuclear sunglasses and put a mustache on him.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 20:51 | 5166117 philipat
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And we now learn, not from the MSM, of course, that the findings of the investigation into the downing of MH017 are subject to an NDA. So now we have a classified/confidential civil aircrash investigation. Another first for freedom and democracy......

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 21:44 | 5166253 disabledvet
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I find it interesting that no rationale is being given.  "Its all Poopie Pant's fault!"


I mean can give a dozen....phuck reasons...RATIONALES for "standing up to Pootie Pie.". Nay, veerily...HE CALLED ME A BAD NAME!

As far as the 2000 dead as Arnold Schwarzenegger famously said in the movie True Lies "they were all very bad!"


"War in the Bloodlands" is like Christ in Christianity....happens all the time and is always...well, bloody!

This much I can say:  "this will be new to the Americans.". And whoever follows us.  "Who is the fool? The fool? Or the fool that follows him?"

We shall see...

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 22:11 | 5166332 Raymond K Hessel
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Are Russians leaving empty vodka bottles strewn about in the desert as they sneak into America?


Oh, that's right.  ISIS is leaving prayer rugs behind in the desert as they sneak into America.

So, guess what?

I don't give a fuck about Putin.  I give a fuck about ISIS.  That Sterling Archer character can wreak havoc so I say let the Germans and French fight Russia and we'll fight Mexico. 

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 23:28 | 5166512 Elvis the Pelvis
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How exactly are we being dragged into war?  No one is suggesting boots on the ground.  No one wants airstrikes.  Hell, we aren't even giving weapons or training to the Ukranians.  This is more hyperbole.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 23:42 | 5166547 Victorio
Mon, 09/01/2014 - 05:33 | 5166919 jeff montanye
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the best i have read on the series of coups that link the assassination of jfk to 9-11 (over a very circuitous path, i must say) and on to isis, the ukraine and today:


the best.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 10:21 | 5167268 Bendromeda Strain
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Putting Poppy Bush at the top of the photo tree is thinking way too small.


Mon, 09/01/2014 - 21:01 | 5169495 All Risk No Reward
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Exactly.  The Bushes are employees.  Granted, high level employees.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 15:51 | 5167847 gallistic
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Holy shit!

Elvis the Pelvis, you did not peddle your stupid blog!

Are you feeling alright?



edit- My bad, I routinely ignore your posts, and I wrote before noticing that you did in fact, link to your shitty "angry sinner" blog. The lack of the word "bitchez" must have thrown me off...

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 20:54 | 5166130 TahoeBilly2012
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Only one party would go all the way to destroying Ukraine...the Jews. Dumbshits will follow these killers ambitions all the way, proven by the Jew S of A.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 22:42 | 5166416 Excursionist
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I'd argue Putin's party of one would do the same.

This blog post is allegedly submitted by Raúl Ilargi Meijer of The Automatic Earth  Why is it that these ZH pro-Russia posts from (supposedly) third parties have such similar writing styles?

I appreciate being fed the Russians' view, propaganda, etc., when reading such content.  I really do.  No sarcasm when I write this.  But why not own up to it?

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 03:21 | 5166814 El Vaquero
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Because when you look at the actual evidence, we're the bad guys in this.  We were in there helping to destabilize Ukraine, and we were doing so to get to Russia.  Putin could be the dirtiest sonofabitch to walk the planet in decades - a new Stalin - but that does not excuse our behavior.  While, IMO, we would not have been able to destabilize Ukraine without existing problems in the country that meant that it was near the precipice to begin with, that does not mitigate our involvement.  I'm particularly pissed off about this because I can name a target for Russian ICBMs/SLBMs that is within 20 miles of me as the crow flies.  We have retards playing a game that will suck the paint off of MY house and give ME a permanent orange afro.  Well, not at that distance, but considering that the target has a shitload of nukes in it and is way underground, meaning probable ground burst, I have to really worry about what direction the wind is blowing.


And yes, I have thought about egress routes and destinations.  Some of the routes would make your butthole suck up seat cover, but there would be no traffic.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 09:36 | 5167157 TheFourthStooge-ing
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El Vaquero nails it:

Because when you look at the actual evidence, we're the bad guys in this.

Bingo! That's the sum total of what matters. All it takes to understand that is the ability to tell the difference between right and wrong and the willingness to open one's eyes to what has been happening in the Ukraine.

Admittedly, that's a tall task for many Americans.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 10:25 | 5167289 Bendromeda Strain
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True that - as ridiculous as it sounds, all one needs to do these days is watch the narrative and know that the truth is somewhere closer to 180° out.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 14:15 | 5168237 Excursionist
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References to Dan Aykroyd lines are always appreciated.

But my observation has absolutely nothing to do with who is in the right and who is in the wrong.  It's about one side not owning up to the opinions, propaganda, views, etc. they're circulating.

If the Russians are the good guys in this situation... the innocent party being grievously injured, why hide behind the cloak of blog posts like the one cited here?

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 20:58 | 5166139 flapdoodle
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Its a real bitch to have to wage war without air support, aint it? Not like frying ragheads from drones via infrared...

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 21:11 | 5166181 FrankDieter
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Sell gold bitchezzzz

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 21:40 | 5166247 StormShadow
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A little OT but not really. Can't find any supporting info as to why, but Sinai and Mali just became off limits for US commercial flights per FDC NOTAMs. Warn of unrest including rocket propelled grenades. Can't seem to copy and paste them for some reason.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 05:26 | 5166911 StormShadow
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Here we go, you can follow the links on FAA's website

I'm just wondering what new intel spurred these

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 19:53 | 5165977 Escrava Isaura
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return to status quo?

What are you talking about?

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 18:58 | 5165815 BuddyEffed
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Someday, one of these crisis will trigger some world leaders publicly getting behind the economic conclusions found in reports that seriously consider resource constraints and resource depletions.

David Korowicz has produced some interesting materials, and so has Tullet Prebon, among others.

Anybody else got links relative in that area to share, besides the two below?  Heinberg, Tverberg, and Martenson/Crash Course are all relative too.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 19:46 | 5165953 Escrava Isaura
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Please, go away.

Don't spoil the paranoia!

You're talking to much sense about resources. Who cares about these things?

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 00:11 | 5166599 BuddyEffed
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Somebody has got to try to get TPTB to see the common sense in things.  Push coming to shove is no longer profitable.  And risking it between players that could EMP or worse to each other, and all the progress and social gains of the last 3 centuries could say bye bye.  And even if you run with the megayacht crowd, that's gonna be a big downer and leave a mark.  If they aren't more careful, we might all find ourselves trying to live just like we were in the 1700s.   Not many could do that.  Most of humanity is sissyfied, and not many have any appropriate skills, mindset, of physical ability.  And even the megayacht crowd under the best of scenarios might only get one or two generations a leg up before entropy gets them likely in the thick of things along with anyone left with no particular advantage, except for those with quick wits, good health, physical prowess, and good reflexes.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 06:23 | 5166959 BeansMcGreens
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Just think of all the people who rely on some sort of medication each day. Have read just recently that over fifty percent of US adults have a medical problem where some sort of medicine is taken every day. A months supply of percription drugs and that is it. Who will be around to bury all the dead. And most would not even know how to use a shovel.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 10:53 | 5167436 BuddyEffed
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I bet a lot of that medicine is insulin for diabetes associated with weight issues and improper diet.

Anyone over 50  or so (even those in good shape) who have to suddenly be on their feet all day, doing a modern version of hunting and gathering wil find it tough to weather that storm.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 16:16 | 5168659 BeansMcGreens
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Appreciate the sites you listed. The last one was very good and have saved to share.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 20:41 | 5166098 GrandPaFred
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it's called 'motive' isn't it.... 

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 20:57 | 5166129 Escrava Isaura
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You should be in bed, by now.

But, let me tell you a secret, but don't tell it to grandma, because she's gonna call you crazy, Marxist, socialist, Keynesian, or some other adjective that she has no clue about, but which will make her fell important and knowledgeable.

Also, you don’t want to give her the impression that she is not a serious person!

This war is not about Ukraine.

This war is because the world is about to dump the dollars and the next financial Ponzi scheme is not in America, but within the BRIC’s.

And it will, most likely, be backed by some gold weight.

Now, go nighty-night.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 04:04 | 5166863 Jambo Mambo Bill
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Hi EI,

You know, these latest advances of the NWO makes me think... that in a near future, the US/West Military complex, after the "democratisation" of China and Russia by force or coercion (of course if they can pull it off), and after the NorthAUnion, will turn its attention towards the South, its guaranteed IMO.

The ‘WEST’ has no respect whatsoever for the LATIN World, for example notice how they treated Mr Morales over Europe not long ago…

You know, the rest of Colombo’s continent, aka Latinos, because they are really not part of term AMERICA, those folks down south, will have to be completely pacified and democratised, but PROPERLY, for good, and their ‘universal’ resources will have to be… secured, as part of this process, of course to the next (West) generations, also for the good of all (West) humanity! That means that the AMAZON, at some stage will no longer be controlled by Brazil or their smaller neighbours for example! Don’t believe? Watch the freaking out you people !

Today, folks have the total control of the mass media of the LATINAs, channels like GLOBO, have been brainwashing Brazilians for decades, and doing so better by the day. Latinos are trained daily to think that the US and its junk culture is the cream of the top, the reference where all have to follow, and this process limits generations of locals to think outside of the box, except when comes down to carnival allegories. The control is so great these days, that for what I understand 90%+ of material on those channels is ‘AMERICANISED’, most of the times direct US affairs actually, like these Latin lands were belonging to the master US already, officially.

Latin oligarchs and corrupt politicians in the other hand, are selling their own population’s independent ability to rise up for themselves, Latinos are aggressively being dumbed down and brainwashed daily, by the US crap media, junk GMO food and vaccines.

What a surprise it will be, when one day the North Super hero friends, will come down like a hawk, to grab and take charge of the Latinos resources, for good…for example internationalizing Amazon and Pantanal areas… locals will be traumatised and unable to defend their lands when ‘HE MAN’ itself is coming to claim ownership of the stuff. Internationalisation of resources will be the next phase of decades US/NWO/West colonisation of the LATINAs, and it will be all legal under the UN=NWO.

It’s clear that NOTHING and NO ONE will prevent that, as most of the LATINAs prefer carnival, football, novella, barsinho, or coca leaves, instead real progress and national interest policies. They are killing decades of time that should be used to bring their cultures up to standards, and to secure and modernise their infrastructure and security services, this blunder is happening now and future generation will never forgive what is happening, if of course, there are able to grasp the facts.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 04:56 | 5166891 matrix2012
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@ Jambo Mambo Bill


It's soooo sad to read on your narration....the situation and total controls of TV networks and mass media in the Latina lands esp. in the Brazil, are similar to what i experience in my country...


"Today, folks have the total control of the mass media of the LATINAs, channels like GLOBO, have been brainwashing Brazilians for decades, and doing so better by the day. Latinos are trained daily to think that the US and its junk culture is the cream of the top, the reference where all have to follow, and this process limits generations of locals to think outside of the box..."


Too bad the earlier two-term reign of Lula govt couldn't fix these TV network and media control by the alien infiltrants!!

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 09:37 | 5167100 Escrava Isaura
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You last paragraph (Aliens Infiltrants) tells us that we cannot take your post very seriously.


Jambo Mambo Bill

Obvious that you have first-hand experience in South America. Good for you!

With all the irreversible consequences of human stupidity that we will be facing, South America, especially Paraguay, looks like it will be the least badly affected area, I believe. Time will tell.

Mambo Bill, this lifestyle that we have and, that the massmedia is desperately trying to keep going, as you point it up, is coming to a very ugly end. Not looking forward to face all the scarcities.

You’re right about Western imperialism (US/NWO/West colonization, or, whatever you want to call it) never had much respect for South America, unless, they were getting something back.

In respect that South Americans are doing nothing, I disagree with you. The problem is who to trust.

If you see USAID, that’s a NO NO! But, when you see Paul Farmer's organization, you embrace it.

When you see NGO’s, watch out!

The great thing about South America control in keeping its resources, is that, the US has no more military bases there. US is trying to reestablish a base in Chile. But, unsuccessfully.

Now, agree that US junk culture (most of Hollywood and TV) propaganda are bad. But, that’s not the worse. Not the most dangerous.

The dangerous in South America are military coups, backed by US, to overthrow democratic elected leaders. When South Americans military leaders, either embraced by the propaganda and/or corruption, splits.

Anyway, as oil becomes more and more scarce, the ability to invade and have boots on the ground will become impossible, and too costly. So, no other continent will be able to invade South America.

So make sure you keep your resources.

And exchange those for gold? 

Thanks, but no thanks!


Mon, 09/01/2014 - 11:05 | 5167478 matrix2012
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Escrava Isaura, it's a good post.

About the "Aliens Infiltrants", well, it's just a "lazy term" to refer to the infiltrations by the external power & interests, either directly or through their local agents to control the TV networks and printed media to advance their talking points and point of views of the targeted audiences. Too bad the BRA govt allows this strategic media control in the few questionable hands to advance their bad influences.


Well, about the "common" coup d'état practices in Latin America, one should read the article by STEVE KANGAS at below.

The following timeline describes just a few of the hundreds of atrocities and crimes committed by the CIA. CIA operations follow the same recurring script. First, American business interests abroad are threatened by a popular or democratically elected leader. The people support their leader because he intends to conduct land reform, strengthen unions, redistribute wealth, nationalize foreign-owned industry, and regulate business to protect workers, consumers and the environment. So, on behalf of American business, and often with their help, the CIA mobilizes the opposition. ...continued
Mon, 09/01/2014 - 11:09 | 5167498 matrix2012
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First it identifies right-wing groups within the country (usually the military), and offers them a deal: "We'll put you in power if you maintain a favorable business climate for us." The Agency then hires, trains and works with them to overthrow the existing government (usually a democracy). It uses every trick in the book: propaganda, stuffed ballot boxes, purchased elections, extortion, blackmail, sexual intrigue, false stories about opponents in the local media, infiltration and disruption of opposing political parties, kidnapping, beating, torture, intimidation, economic sabotage, death squads and even assassination. These efforts culminate in a military coup, which installs a right-wing dictator.

The CIA trains the dictator’s security apparatus to crack down on the traditional enemies of big business, using interrogation, torture and murder. The victims are said to be "communists," but almost always they are just peasants, liberals, moderates, labor union leaders, political opponents and advocates of free speech and democracy. Widespread human rights abuses follow.

This scenario has been repeated so many times that the CIA actually teaches it in a special school, the notorious "School of the Americas." (It opened in Panama but later moved to Fort Benning, Georgia.) Critics have nicknamed it the "School of the Dictators" and "School of the Assassins." Here, the CIA trains Latin American military officers how to conduct coups, including the use of interrogation, torture and murder. . [...] -- A Timeline of CIA Atrocities | By STEVE KANGAS
Mon, 09/01/2014 - 01:48 | 5166228 Kirk2NCC1701
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The Polish leadership (Pres. Komorowski) is not helping the image/reputation of polish people not being "the smartest" people around.

Q: Was is Russia who attacked France?  Or attacked Germany?  Did they start WW1 or WW2?  Or any wars in Mideast, Far East, Africa, Caribbean or Pacific?  Did they set off nukes or fire-bomb entire cities?

FUCK OFF KOMOROWSKI, YOU DUMB FUCKING POLACK!  And I use the pejorative term "Polack" -- that I would almost never use -- correctly and deservedly in his case.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 02:13 | 5166738 Terminus C
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One could make a very credible argument that the Russians and French were critical causes of WWI.  After that... not so much.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 08:18 | 5167055 earnulf
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Poor Poor Ruskies, NOT.    Forgot your basic history didn't ya, "White" Russia was fighting Germany in WW1 until the Communist revolution which caused them to focus more on their shit at home than Imperial Ambitions.    The Communists then slaughtered the Imperialists and anyone else who got in their way, sorta like ISIS.

In WWII, COMMUNIST Russia signs a pact with Germany to divide Poland between them.   Yep, Stain and Hitler were bosum buddies until Hitler bit Stalin's hand.    And we won't discuss the atrocities the communists carried out in Eastern Europe following the Allied Victory, or the Russian Land Grab in the pacific, waiting until Japan was finished to declare war (1 week before Japan asked for a ceasefire and two days after Hiroshima).

Shall we talk nuclear missiles in Cuba or the unrest in Angola?   Maybe the Russians haven't been as busy as us, but they have had their fingers in the pie too.    Not to mention the secret police making sure everyone toed the party line or else they won a free trip to Sunny Siberia!    Poland has every reason to be uneasy, especially with a nuclear powered adversary gobbling up territory and formenting unrest in Moldavia and Ukraine.    And what part of Russian Tanks fighting Ukranian Paratroopers in Eastern Ukraine did you not understand?

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 09:41 | 5167171 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Go back to your comic books and television.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 21:07 | 5169517 All Risk No Reward
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Ear, you didnd't mentiont he US partnering with "Uncle Joe."

Rememeber "Uncle Joe?"

The Russian history is horrible - the mass deaths are second only to the Debt Money Monopoly (they murder indirectly through inextinguishable debt leading to starvation and instigating nation states to fight wars) and Mao.


The Ukraine has Russia's only warm water port that is available 12 months a year.

Putin would be a fool to let the Banksters steal Russia's crucial Eastern Ukraine assets.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 22:39 | 5166409 Bangin7GramRocks
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WAR! Good god y'all. What is it good for; absolutely nothing! Say it again.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 23:40 | 5166542 Anunnaki
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Praise Jah for the wisdom of Elaine Benes

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 09:30 | 5167144 trulz4lulz
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It aint nothin' but a heartache! War! HUH! What is it good for? Absolutly nothing!

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 17:43 | 5165641 benb
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The CIA /State Dept. /Soros (Front for Rothschild) gang pumped $5 billion in to destabilize the region.  Let the U.S. Military sworn to protect us arrest George Soros as an enemy combatant under the Military Commissions Act. And why not haul the CFR in as well. The top 100 members are good to go for subversion, high treason, and mass murder.


Sun, 08/31/2014 - 19:49 | 5165960 Escrava Isaura
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"CIA /State Dept. /Soros (Front for Rothschild) gang pumped $5 billion in to destabilize the region."

You're the man!

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 21:18 | 5166203 TahoeBilly2012
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Zerohedge article



Sun, 08/31/2014 - 22:22 | 5166231 Escrava Isaura
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I have this theory that I cannot prove. And it goes something like this:

The next Ponzi scheme, the American banks won’t be part of it. And it won’t be in dollars.

And the American government is trying to defend both.


So, who do you hang?


Sun, 08/31/2014 - 21:34 | 5166233 trulz4lulz
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Gosh...there are just so many......

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 17:44 | 5165647 kchrisc
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Just let Israel have their pipeline and Lebensraum, and we will have peace until the Rothschild banksters come up with a new scheme.

An American, not US subject.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 17:48 | 5165657 Supafly
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Sarcastic or stoopid?

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 20:34 | 5166083 Escrava Isaura
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Are you talking about the whole thread?

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 09:32 | 5167147 americanreality
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Just your contributions I believe. 

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 17:56 | 5165684 juan323
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The "Munich metaphor" is worn out now and has led to too many wars. The Russians were probably saying it after the EU/US Kiev Putsch in February.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 19:01 | 5165835 pot_and_kettle
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Godwin's law... check.

Parenthesesed self delusional comments.. check.

High twat factor... check.

And Putin, smiling, says " mate ". ;-)

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 19:26 | 5165901 August
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We don't need no steenkin' evidence.  We need consistent lies, constantly repeated until 60% of the population thinks the lies must be true, and 39% aren't sure what's going on.

The 1% who do know what's going on can be marginalized and ignored. Or maybe not.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 20:04 | 5165973 Escrava Isaura
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We don't need steenkin' evidence!

We need opinions. Lots of it.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 20:26 | 5166064 WhackoWarner
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FLIP the coin there. "Just let Hitler (er I mean USA) have Ukraine and all is well.  Idiot.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 21:34 | 5166234 BraveSirRobin
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The pro-Russian sentiment on this site is frankly disturbing, The Ukraine has invaded no one, and had a very small, ill-prepared army. Russia has invaded Ukraine and already annexed Crimea. If you cared to be honest, you would understand Putin is placing terrirorial claims on most of the former Soviet Union. Is is an agressive and repressive dictator. Don;t support facism. Support freedom. Russian invasion and hegemony is not freedom. It is a horrible cleptocracy, and the people so subjugated will be worse off for it. The insurgency would not be sustainable without Russian arms and soldiers. They are the cause of the bloodshed, and no one else. How many countries will need to perish under their boot before your realize Russia, as it's been for 1,000 years, is an agressive, expansionist state.

I state firmly, anyone on Putin's side is NOT a friend of freedom. 

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 22:14 | 5166344 Itinerant
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What fool you are. There would have been no bloodshed if the Ukraine had not started a shooting war. The Ukraine could not carry out a shooting war without IMF and EU funds, which have been given on condition that it take back the East. The Ukrainian regulars are kind of useless. Out in front are the National Guard (Nazi brown shirts and skinheads) and volunteer brigades (private mercenaries funded by oligarchs).

There would have been no war if Kiev hadn't deligitmized the Russian language. There would not have been a war if the Nazi's hadn't overthrown the elected government. There would not have been a war if the Americans, NATO, and the EU weren't stirring the pot in Kiev. There would not have been a problem if NATO and the EU had kept their agreements and not try to install forces and missiles on Russia's border.

And if the Russians did have territorial aspirations and were to invade, the war would be over in three days, with the whole south-east to Odessa in control of the Russians, and nobody could do a thing about it.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 10:31 | 5167318 BraveSirRobin
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Ukraine started a shooting war??? What???

There are not and never have been Ukrainian soldiers in Russian terrority, unless you consider Ukraine Russian territory, and EVERYTHING you cite as Ukrainian provocation has taken place in Ukraine - none of it in Russia. By your "logic" Hitler was right in invading Austria, Czekoslovakia, Poland, Denmark, and France. 

There are no NATO or EU agreements to install "forces and missiles" on Russia's borders, unless you are talking about inclusion of the Baltic States and Poland in NATO. Hiwever, if you cared anything about the truth, you would know these states have a legitimate and great fear of Russia having been invaded and occupied by them numerous times over the last 1,000 years. 

And I get down arrowed for ststing the obvious - that Putin is an oppressive, expansionistic dictator. 

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 22:16 | 5166354 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Blow it out your ass, Brave Sir Robin. All you've done is string together a bunch of Psaki-parroted phrases and talking points.

Still, you must be pretty butthurt to have copy-and-pasted so many of them. I'm guessing you were with one of the 'american' NGOs that Putin kicked out of Russia. You know, the ones stirring up pre-regime change trouble.

As a special bonus, article at the second link above has a picture of a 2013 meeting in Syria featuring war fairy John McCain and Ibrahim al-Badri, also known as Abu Du’a, also known as Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, aka Caliph Ibrahim of ISIS.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 06:07 | 5166944 StormShadow
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John McCain is a boil on the butt of humanity. Admiral McCain could never have approved of his son's behavior over the last decade. Adm. McCain was a good and honorable man, well respected.. His son was a total fuckup as a pilot. He got shot down in Hanoi because he FELL ASLEEP. Don't believe me? I know a couple high ranking military from Viet Nam era who told me exactly that; it is well known in the fighter pilot circle. Remember the Forestal? Are we sure his missile launched from the F-4 on deck involuntarily? A good friend of mine flew him on a private jet once. He said McCain was terrified of weather, a true white knuckle flyer. He's been living off his woe is me POW fame for far too long. He is nothing but a neocon sellout. I look forward to visiting your grave one day, John, so I can relieve my bladder and bowels.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 07:15 | 5167009 Razor_Edge
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Adminral McCain was a very enthusiastic part of the cover up of the massacre of USS Liberty. Good honourable and well respected man my ass. Traitor more like; like father, like son.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 12:54 | 5167942 StormShadow
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Good to know; I'll look that up. Thanks.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:41 | 5168111 StormShadow
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Right on, Razor. Evil runs in that family.

I knew of the Liberty false flag, but had forgotten Adm McCain's involvement. We've really been going to hell for a long time...

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 10:35 | 5167346 BraveSirRobin
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Wow, talk about change the subject and distract.

I never once mentioned any of these issues. 

But let's conceed your point for the sake of argument, which seems to be the US is bad.

So your argument goes like this, Hitler is an opressive war mongering dictator, so I support Togo who is a oppressive war mongering dictator. 

Again, you just have a pro-Russian and anti-American bias, and are not a firend of freedom.

If you opposed both, you may have some legitimacy, but you do not.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 23:39 | 5166538 pot_and_kettle
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Do you understand the concept of " proxy " or not?

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 02:17 | 5166744 Confused
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I'm certainly not one to defend Putin, as a politician, he is likely a sociopath. Combined with the fact he is former KGB, makes it certain that he is a sociopath, and perhaps worse. 

However, this is NOT about Russia or its agression. It has everything to do with Ukraine's rescources and its position between Europe and Russia. 

I suggest

The book is certainly enlightening. However, this theory is not original. There were others streamlining this theory for the Germans in the 30s/40s, and the English before that. 

Again. I'm not supporting Russia, but I'm an also not supporting NATO, the US, or the Ukraine. Everyone has an agenda here. But to say that Russia is 're-taking' soviet territory is also without proof. America (and Russia) stole alot from the Germans after the second war. Looks like operation Barbarossa was one of them. 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 10:51 | 5167429 BraveSirRobin
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The borders of Ukraine were set by international agreement of which Russia was a willing signatory. Russia signed on because they wanted the nuclear disarmament of Ukraine which had suddenly become the 3rd largest nuclear power after the USSR dissolved. After achieving Ukrainian nuclear disarmament, Russia is now violating its own accords and agreements with Ukraine via invasion, proxy war, and annexation. It's as simple as that.

Oh, and BTW, though the last of the functioning nuclear weapons left Ukraine in 1996, the last of the weapons grade fissile material (stuff you make a nuclear bomb out of) was not disposed of by Ukraine via transfer to Russia until 2012, as per agreement. In 2013, international inspectors certified Ukraine had no more weapons grade fissile material. A year later, Russia invades and annexes Crimia and starts in proxy war and subsequent invasion of eastern Ukraine. This is hardly a coincidence. 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 04:57 | 5166895 localspaced
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Oh, you're right about Putin, he is a dictator, he has fascist tendencies (but has cleverly turned this around with his propaganda machine) and Russia is far from an ideal, free country. The only pro russian sentiment I have is for it's people. 

He is no friend of freedom, and neither are the governments in the west, or so it seems increasingly so. How fucking ironic then that a Russian fascistoid cleptocrat dictator is needed to expose that. 

And don't even get me started on the Ukrainians. A lot of normal Ukrainians apparently prefer the Russian cleptocracy to the Ukrainian one. That should tell you something. Oh and all grannies and granddads in Crimea now get more pension simply because they're Russian. You don't argue with grannies, especially not Russian ones. 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 08:35 | 5167073 Dee4peace
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"I state firmly, anyone on Putin's side is NOT a friend of freedom. "

And I'd like to state firmly that I find your views disturbing and perhaps you need to stop watching MSM, Fox News and channelling Obama, or was it Tony Abbott?  Believe me Robin, the truth is out there  but you have to search hard for it and switch off the above propaganda sources.  In the recent build up to war, the propaganda has been stepped up to a whole new level. The more lies we are fed, the stronger the truth movement will be as their lies become exposed. Real truth will lead to freedom.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 11:03 | 5167476 BraveSirRobin
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So the truth is Putin is the friend of freedom? Sorry, I do not buy that, and niether should you. 

You don't want war? Good. I support that sentiment with whole heart. But if you do not condemn the war maker, and in this case it is clearly Russia which used the excuse of internal political turmoil to invade a soverign country whose boarders it had agreed to voluntarily by written agreement, you do not help avoid war. 

So, other than pretending Russia is the good guy in all this, which it is not, what is the solution? Do we just stand by as they impose their will on others? We may not love the Ukraine or even Ukrainians, but does that justify support for proxy war and armed invasion. If it is wrong for one state to do this, say the US, is it now also wrong for another to do so? If you support Russia in its activities, how can you condemn the US, China, Isreal, or any other state, except for reasons of bigotry or bias?

As I have said, pro-Russina bias here is staggering, and wrong headed, because Putin is an oppressive dictator,a nd supporting him is supporting an oppressive war mongering dictator.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 16:12 | 5168648 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Incredible comment. It spreads fantasy nearly in each sentence.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 04:13 | 5166868 john.smith
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Simply dismissing Russia's actions as the result of a megalomaniac's obsession with power is the main reason why the West is fucking up big time in Ukraine. Russia has a legitimate interest in not having Nato on its borders. Ukraine's "revolution" against its democratically elected government was aided by the US (as demonstrated by the leaked audio tape of the US embassy in Ukraine), as a way to score against Russia. The new Ukrainian government was extremely anti-Russian, and the first bill it passed was to ban the rights of using the Russian language in local offices where the majority of the population is Russian speaking. When the Russians in the East rebelled, the new government tried to crush them outright rather than try to heed some of the population's concern.


Given all of this, how is it that the West expects Russia not to react, and how can it explain Russia's actions as just Putin's desires for grandoise? Holding this kind of deluded reasoning will certainly lead the West to commit more errors as the crisis continues.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 09:42 | 5167167 robobbob
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I don't suppose that it makes any difference to you that it was western backing of a neo nazi coup on putins doorstep that created this mess?

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 17:39 | 5165623 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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Ben Judah wrote an excellent opinion piece on this in the New York Times: Arm Ukraine or Surrender.

It's a very sobering article and well worth the read.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 17:51 | 5165666 DaddyO
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Here's your article and I'll raise you a henry!


Sun, 08/31/2014 - 18:00 | 5165693 Smerf
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The affirmation of America's exceptional nature MUST be sustained!!

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 18:11 | 5165722 Headbanger
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Erik:   That NYT article is completely lacking any consideration that Russia didn't start the ethnic clashes in Ukraine which the West aggravated further.

It also ignores Russia's loss of many of its former territories since the fall of the USSR which put it in a much more defensive position.

And so what should the naive Western nations do now? Push Russia back even more?

What do you think will happen when the Bear gets really fed up with being poked in the face by us?


Sun, 08/31/2014 - 18:13 | 5165728 Winston Churchill
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We are there now.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 20:11 | 5166014 Escrava Isaura
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This will happen:

S400, S500, SAM installations, Sukhoi jets, Yakhont anti ship missiles... and the list goes on.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 00:34 | 5166619 perchprism
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...and the list goes on.  


Yep.   America used to try to have a moral justification for its excursions.  Not anymore, or maybe we're not even trying to put up a pretense.  Yet, millions still knee-jerkedly assume that Russia is the bad actor in all of this.

We're going to lose this one, because we're the bad actor.  Russia will not back down.  They'll use a tactical nuke in Ukraine if necessary, and we'll pull out.  Suddenly things will come a bit into perspective.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 21:29 | 5166191 GrandPaFred
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a nursery rhyme unfolds:


Bear minding it's own business when Ukraine throw rock at bear.

Bear reacts by ripping an arm off Ukraine.

Ukraine runs to NATO - look what bear did to me!

NATO says "we'll fix that bear" and hits bear with a [financial] stick.

Bear rips off NATO's leg off in response.

Ukraine & NATO run to USA - look what bear did to us!

USA says " bear has rabies and needs to be shot.

Bear reminds everyone it has nukes if they want to be disemboweled.

World says: "The f*cking bear is crazy - we got to do something!"


Morel of this story:  “beat on a bear or a hornet’s nest will result in ‘bad news…the US dollar needs assits/resources/control or it's toast due to debt'”

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 18:09 | 5165706 Blazed
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Western Looting Of Ukraine Has Begun — Paul Craig Roberts

How The IMF Will Loot Ukraine

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 18:30 | 5165763 Aussie V
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That Ben Judah article reads more like a Nursery Rhyme than a news piece.

WHat a load a shit!

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 19:12 | 5165862 McCormick No. 9
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Ben Judah... REALLY? Is this some kind of code for, "I am a shill for the Nuland Etal Odessa Dual National Bankster cabal"? Or, "Be aware that you are about to read Goebbelistic Big Lie propaganda and Zionist lies straight from the mouth of the two-headed lamblike beast that speaks like a mofo'n dragon"????

Huh. Napoleon thought an invasion of Russia was a good idea. Then Hitler thought so. It seems good ideas like this never go out of fashion with a certain type of person, hell-bent on world domination. Sort of like how when certain Christians go to Jerusalem, they somehow think they are Jesus. There is a whole psych ward devoted to these folks. The Russomania developed by those with a megalomaniacal streak never seems to pan out either, but a lot of innocent people end of dead in the frozen mud of Mother Russia.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 19:41 | 5165933 vietnamvet
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It's the opinion of a warmongering lunatic.  And I have a suggestion for all the "patriots" on this forum calling for war: get your dumb ass over to the Ukraine and join up - they have plenty of SS-style volunteer militias - or shut up.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 21:35 | 5166235 CCanuck
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That there is funny...warmonger's fighting in a war...hahahahaahah

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 00:10 | 5166594 btdt
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is there a hasbara naming convention? you got a great one! Larssen with a double S!

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 05:15 | 5166906 matrix2012
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A REAL story about an internet TROLL,,,


THE DOUBLE IDENTITY of an "Anti-Semitic" Commenter

Like many other news websites, Common Dreams has been plagued by inflammatory anti-Semitic comments following its stories. A Common Dreams investigation has discovered that more than a THOUSAND of these damaging comments over the past TWO YEARS were written with a DECEPTIVE PURPOSE by a Jewish Harvard graduate in his thirties who was irritated by the website's discussion of issues involving Israel.

A Common Dreams investigation has discovered that more than a THOUSAND of these damaging comments over the past TWO YEARS were written with a DECEPTIVE PURPOSE by a Jewish Harvard graduate in his thirties who was irritated by the website's discussion of issues involving Israel.

His intricate campaign, which he has admitted to Common Dreams, included posting comments by a screen name, "JewishProgressive," whose purpose was to draw attention to and denounce the anti-Semitic comments that he had written under many other screen names.

The deception was MANY-LAYERED. At one point he had one of his characters charge that the anti-Semitic comments and the criticism of the anti-Semitic comments must be written by "internet trolls who have been known to impersonate anti-Semites in order to then double-back and accuse others of supporting anti-Semitism"--exactly what he was doing. (Trolls are posters who foment discord.)

The impersonation, this character wrote, must be part of an "elaborate HASBARA setup," referring to an Israeli international PUBLIC-RELATIONS CAMPAIGN. When Common Dreams finally confronted the man behind the deceptive posting, he denied that he himself was involved with HASBARA.

Read on here.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 07:37 | 5167024 Razor_Edge
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Ben Judah? Nuff said!

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 17:40 | 5165637 guessagain
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Ain't that the truth...!


Sun, 08/31/2014 - 19:13 | 5165865 FrankDieter
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Everythnig going to shit in Uctaine and the cartel dumping gold in Asia market.  It's fucking Sunday night , so what do you expect ?

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 21:09 | 5166169 JuliaS
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Tusk may not speak English, but he sure does speak Neocon-American.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 22:05 | 5166318 Republi-Ken
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hEY raOUL.

ever hear of contract law?

its the sancrosanct of the entire legal system and business system

sign a contract and thats the law

a contract cannot be changed arbitrarily by one party.

in 1994, RUSSIA USA UKRAINE signed a solemn contract treaty

and it guarantees by all parties the borders of Ukraine forever!

got that?


Raoul take your libertarian ahead out of your think tank and think.

your entire proposal denies the contract of 1994

then nothing can be held accountable to any contract

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 23:01 | 5166350 TeethVillage88s
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And in the event of war... like with England, Canada, USA, & France... at the end of the war, terms are given, all Debts will be Honored.

It seems in this tradition... the bankers always win each war and get the lions share of reparations paid to them.

I have to look deeper at this. History I heard as a kid never said the reparations were to go to banks that loaned to both sides of the war... but this is what I anticipate.

---Not sure on the numbers, but looks like US Banks were a major creditor in debts & reparations...

The total under negotiation was 16 billion marks of debts resulting from the Treaty of Versailles of World War I which had defaulted in the 1930s, but which Germany decided to repay to restore its reputation. This money was owed to government and private banks in the U.S., France and Britain. Another 16 billion marks represented postwar loans by the U.S. Under the London Debts Agreement of 1953, the repayable amount was reduced by 50% to about 15 billion marks and stretched out over 30 years, and compared to the fast-growing German economy were of minor impact.[2]

Stark contrast I'm guessing to how Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal, and Cyprus were treated in the last few years in modern history. Have we regressed to Fascism under EU Rules and whatever you call the English-German-USA cartel????

- repayable amount was reduced by 50% for Germany, part of our NATO secret stay behind army incorporating Fascist, Nazis, and Many US Contracts, Military Bases, & secret intelligence Agencies.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 09:46 | 5167180 robobbob
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so western backing of a coup in the subject country wasn't a contract violation?

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 22:52 | 5166331 TeethVillage88s
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It is probably the same people that own Taco Bell...

Seriously have you tried the Taco Bell Dollar Cravers??

- Taco Bell Mini Quesadilla & Beefy Fritos Burritos are a rip off. They have cut out the Beef & Chicken and provided a starch product with little else. For $1 I give them 3 out of 10 points as there is a taste they are trying for.

- Also my last cashier didn't know they served Fresco Tacos so I ordered a regular taco... only to see that Fresco is still on the menu in fine print.

- Rich people use mind control like propaganda and public relations through advertizement to get us to believe things like they are giving us deals, low prices, value for money, and to motivate more consuming.

- So, maybe they want War, More US Control over foreign Resources... you sure don't hear them condemn US Warmongering or condemn lies that led us to war in Iraq... or condemn the use of US Military to protect Big Oil Pipelines and Oil & Gas Interests in Iraq, Libya, and Syria. Wow, no leadership on political issues from the unstained Corporate Executives... big surprise.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 17:28 | 5165581 royal
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Washington doesn't want peace.

They want the thing which they do best - causing mayhem and destruction.

They want to transform Ukraine into another Iraq or Libya.

A chaotic, dysfunctional, smoldering, lawless heap.





Sun, 08/31/2014 - 17:46 | 5165603 benb
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And don't forget - Steal the Russian oil and gas to give it to Joe Biden's son cause he's such a good businessman.

(This was Joe Biden's reward for his service to the Global Mafia, for his treason.)

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 18:17 | 5165738 gbresnahan
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war is more profitable than peace

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 17:27 | 5165589 q99x2
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Gladio created the EU and justice will hold those accountable.

"he comes from a nation that is not even in the Eurozone"

And Barry comes from Kenya. Arrest them. Somebody call the police.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 17:29 | 5165599 Alex Zhyk
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The good news is that we are already at war. The bad news the guy that started it has nukes and nothing to loose.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 17:43 | 5165639 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Who started it?  If you are implying Putin and Russia, I think you are mistaken.  The war started on 9/11/2001, when we collectively lost our minds, and Uncle Sam went berserk and turned psychotic---when we started to think we had to stick our nose into everyone's business because they "might" be a terrorist.  We started killing women and children in foreign lands to "protect our freedoms".  What the fuck did you think was going to happen?  When your wife and children get killed by some foreign government, when you have no ill will towards anyone, you might all of a sudden say I've got a cause now.  I know if someone murdered my wife and kids, I would sure be veneful--who wouldn't? 

Uncle Sam has become so psychotic, he now thinks everyone is a terrorist, including his own neices and nephews.  Guilty until proven innocent.  Need I say more?

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 17:49 | 5165661 Ignatius
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I think we here at ZH refer to your description as "Plan A" as a subscript to Gladio-B.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 17:59 | 5165689 juan323
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Actually, "psychotic" isn't the word. It becomes more like an 800 pound gorilla that is made and is looking for things to hit. Don't get in the way of an 800 pound gorilla that is pissed off I always say. 

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 21:06 | 5166161 flapdoodle
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I think a compound word works better than psychotic: how about "evil-malevolent".

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 18:34 | 5165775 Alex Zhyk
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You could've also rememberded Clinton sending missiles to bomb Iraq to divert attention from his affair with Monica Lewinski. But if you think that Putin does this out of the sorrow for innocent civilians killed by americans, I have a news for you: he does not give a flying rat's ass about them either.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 17:53 | 5165677 Winston Churchill
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Obozo's ratings do suggest he has nothing to lose right now.

He has so much BS in the air right now, the only question

is can he he keep it up there until after early November.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 18:08 | 5165713 Karl von Bahnhof
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Donald Duck as a new Euian president. As if Rumpeye was not charmant enough.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 19:08 | 5165857 tony wilson
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i like english and american tusk


polish tusk can fuck off back to israel or poland.


Sun, 08/31/2014 - 21:52 | 5166276 Minge
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Nice to see you, Bob. 

You seem a little less incoherent tonight.  Maybe Yencross was right that we are brothers separated by two generations.


Or, you're just a fuckwit, puking the same shit day after day after day.


I keep thinking that, at some point, you'd get tired of being so repetative,... but you defy logic.


I have a lot of respect for YC, but I still think you're a tosser.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 18:23 | 5165748 luckystars
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He was never in charge, neither was Bush.

Two loser puppets.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 19:51 | 5165962 ramacers
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hank paulsen has been in charge of both.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 21:04 | 5166154 flapdoodle
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You're right of course since Netanyahu started it with his plan to bomb Iran...

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 17:30 | 5165600 snr-moment
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"The entire conflict could be solved in a heartbeat if Kiev would simply tell the Donbass leadership that they can be autonomous."


Did Putin tell you that?   Did you believe him? 

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 19:47 | 5165879 The_Prisoner
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Ukrainian arrested in Rio on charges of leading local drug trafficking ring.

Gangster nation, exporting gangsters to the world.

link (in Portuguese):

It won't take long once those criminals get EU passport for every major city in Europe be overrun by Ukraininan mob. Organ and child trafficking will skyrocket.


Sun, 08/31/2014 - 19:44 | 5165943 photonsoflight
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Unfortunately Putin is more believable than obama, bush, hagel or any other dc insider, that spells disaster when the people no longer believe or trust their leadership. Hows that hope and change going for you.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 17:32 | 5165610 Absalon
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Russia has invaded Ukraine with mercenary militias and regular army troops and equipment.


Russia is the aggressor.  It should stop paying militias to commit murder in Ukraine.  Then the Ukrainians could sort things out in some democratic fashion.  Ukraine wants closer ties with the West.  One of the conditions of those ties would be respect for minorities.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 18:05 | 5165704 trulz4lulz
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What?! C'mon man, aint nobody this stupid unles its on purpose.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 18:12 | 5165726 Absalon
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What are you talking about?  Russia has admitted that it has regular army, tanks, personnel carriers etc in Ukraine.  Of course it is an invasion.  The "uprising" was led by a Russian Major - Russian citizen, ordinarily resident in Moscow.  This whole "uprising" is a Russian operation.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 19:08 | 5165854 petkovplamen
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where has Russia "admit" it? And do you think Russia will send just a few thousand solders into Ukraine? If Russia really did invade Ukrane the smoke will be easily seen from London and the whole fighting will be over in 2 hours. Russia will have won long time ago if they really invaded.

The shills are multiplying on ZH.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 23:07 | 5166454 layman_please
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The shills are multiplying on ZH.

Says a member with 2 weeks and 6 days, and with the avatar of the ribbon of st george.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 09:34 | 5167154 trulz4lulz
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So now its a BAD thing to be proud that your grandfather helped defeat the German Nazis? The fuck?

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 19:21 | 5165890 Boogity
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How about a link to video with a high level Russian official actually stating that they have troops in Ukraine?  

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 19:28 | 5165907 McCormick No. 9
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AbsaloM claimed he was a victim, merely trying to avenge the honor of his sister, but that didn't make him right.

Russia didn't start this. Maye the Russians should have brought their puppet under control, but isn't looting the protectorate state for one's own personal gain what puppets do in exchange for betraying their country? That's what all the American puppets do, at any rate.

No, Yanukovich was no saint. But if he had been as pure as the driven snow, the Banksters would have taken him down anyway. This was a ki(c)k(e)-started regime-change, led out by the US.

Russia doesn't have to invade. Winter will do all the invading for her. All Russia has to do is continue to supply and support the Donetsk fighters. Obama will blink. The Ukraine will go back to being what it has always been- a part of Russia. The war will start in Israel. Mark my words.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 21:18 | 5166111 snowlywhite
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Russia lost Ukraine 6 months ago(or more, when they set as puppet that clown)... Guess they'll need a time machine to bring it back. Or do you think 80% of the ukrainian population has any other feeling but hate for them nowdays? The little good will they still enjoyed was killed in Crimea and by the attitude of those separatist "leaders". Worse for Russia, the delusionals still dreaming about SU are dwindling due to biology. Time isn't on their side. Look at all polls regarding EU split by age group(talking about polls in Ukraine, obviously). Russian supporters are dying due to age, not some unknown conspiracy.


maybe they'll get Donetsk. With some luck. The new US strategy seems to need Ukraine. So US will get it; Russia can moan as much as they want.


Russia wants to get their armament industry zones(at least what wasn't destroyed already). As a side note, it's very smart to destroy your armament producers; shows lotsa "chess playing"(that was the joke about the Chuck Norris wannabe, right?).Maybe they'll get that. But Ukraine is long gone...


p.s. - Russia and Germany are yesterday; demographics will screw them both in a 2-4 decades. That alliance won't happen. All that's needed is a little time. And eastern Europe will buy exactly that. But hey, I'm sure all the armchair strategists over here know better...

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 05:55 | 5166929 matrix2012
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"Or do you think 80% of the ukrainian population has any other feeling but hate for them nowdays?"


snowlywhite, you're so wrong!

You have been belittling the anti-Russian percentage to only 80%!


In fact I believe 110% Ukrainian population have no other feeling but hate for Russia.

On the other hand an even much higher rate of Ukie population, possibly reaching out 150%, are falling in love with those Neo-Nazi party Svoboda and the fascist Right Sector.

Of course, on a par with that freedom of Nazi love, between 110~150% of population are loving the assistance from USA-EU-NATO, as well as IMF, World Bank. They will love USSA oil and gas too for coming winter.

Psssttt, pls don't tell the Ukies about the awesome EBT things, they'll even craze more about the USA, USA, USA,,,,,,

EU, please open your doors widely, more than the whole nation of Ukie are in love with you,,,they'd love to flood the entrance gates of EU, working and living there!

Oh yeah, Ukies love Poland as well.



Mon, 09/01/2014 - 06:04 | 5166940 snowlywhite
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now, you got me wrong here; I'm quite sure ukrainains aren't in love with EU. They just see it as a good cash cow. Also, obviously, they're a buncha nazis who parade all day and eat children all night... Btw - it's funny how the russian propaganda can't escape from their SU mentality; the nazi accusation is from SU times.


OTOH, Russians had two wierdos as neighbours who were in friendly terms with them; now they have one(it's 50% less, right?).

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 06:50 | 5166977 matrix2012
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"OTOH, Russians had two wierdos as neighbours who were in friendly terms with them; now they have one(it's 50% less, right?)."


dunno what did u mean by your 'two wierdos' but I'm pretty sure about the Color Revs/Regime Changes in Georgia /Mikhail Saakashvili and Ukraine.


yeah, thanks to Soros for funding all the successful COLOR Revolutions in Georgia, now the Ukraine, thanks for the funding to place most of the puppet heads in EU states from the miniscule Baltic heads, the useful Polacks, Nordic, the Dutch head, now even the Finland up to Angela with her Langley glasses... :-)

Yeah, I must admit that the Pax Anglo-Americana/ZATO Axis are so successful in co-opting most of the EU states...only a couple of sane heads left... :-(



Dutch Intellectuals Apologize to Putin for Lies on MH17, Syria, Ukraine...

Wednesday, 27 August 2014


A letter sent by a prominent Dutch Professor to Russian president Vladimir Putin has attracted much media attention in Europe.  The letter was written by Professor Cees Hamelink and signed by dozens of Dutch intellectuals and professors. Below is the letter in its entirety.

Dear Mr. President Putin,

Please accept our apologies on behalf of a great many people here in the Netherlands for our Government and our Media. The facts concerning MH17 are twisted to defame you and your country.

We are powerless onlookers, as we witness how the Western Nations, led by the United States, accuse Russia of crimes they commit themselves more than anybody else. We reject the double standards that are used for Russia and the West. In our societies, sufficient evidence is required for a conviction. The way you and your Nation are convicted for 'crimes' without evidence, is ruthless and despicable.


You have saved us from a conflict in Syria that could have escalated into a World War. The mass killing of innocent Syrian civilians through gassing by ‘Al-­?Qaeda’ terrorists, trained and armed by the US and paid for by Saudi Arabia, was blamed on Assad. In doing so, the West hoped public opinion would turn against Assad, paving the way for an attack on Syria.

Not long after this, Western forces have built up, trained and armed an ‘opposition’ in the Ukraine, to prepare a coup against the legitimate Government in Kiev. The putschists taking over were quickly recognized by Western Governments. They were provided with loans from our tax money to prop their new Government up.


The people of the Crimea did not agree with this and showed this with peaceful demonstrations. Anonymous snipers and violence by Ukrainian troops turned these demonstrations into demands for independence from Kiev. Whether you support these separatist movements is immaterial, considering the blatant Imperialism of the West.

Russia is wrongly accused, without evidence or investigation, of delivering the weapons systems that allegedly brought down MH17. For this reason Western Governments claim they have a right to economically pressure Russia.


We, awake citizens of the West, who see the lies and machinations of our Governments, wish to offer you our apologies for what is done in our name.

It’s unfortunately true, that our media have lost all independence and are just mouthpieces for the Powers that Be. Because of this, Western people tend to have a warped view of reality and are unable to hold their politicians to account.


Our hopes are focused on your wisdom. We want Peace. We see that Western Governments do not serve the people but are working towards a New World Order. The destruction of sovereign nations and the killing of millions of innocent people is, seemingly, a price worth paying for them, to achieve this goal.


We, the people of the Netherlands, want Peace and Justice, also for and with Russia.

We hope to make clear that the Dutch Government speaks for itself only. We pray our efforts will help to diffuse the rising tensions between our Nations.



Professor Cees Hamelink

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 08:01 | 5167040 matrix2012
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The Western media has casually avoided to analyze the composition and ideological underpinnings of the government coalition. The word “Neo-Nazi” is a taboo. It has been excluded from the dictionary of mainstream media commentary. It will not appear in the pages of the New York Times, the Washington Post or The Independent. Journalists have been instructed not to use the term “Neo-Nazi” to designate Svoboda and the Right Sector.


Read on here at "The U.S. has Installed a Neo-Nazi Government in Ukraine | Global Research"

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 22:16 | 5166347 Minge
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Stick with it brother.  The downvotes don't mean shit.  Assholes in a pack will always try to shut you up.  It's the nature of pack mentality.  Any voice, right or wrong, that stirs the pot is welcome.  After all, this is supposed to be a fight club!  I don't think your ideas are correct, but I love anything that stirs up the conformation bias crockpot that ZH is becoming.  Stir the pot, and you'll always have at least one supporter.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 03:56 | 5166857 schatzi
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Amen to that. The minority opinions on ZH are the ZeroHedgers' ZeroHedge. The contrarians of contrarian haven. The unothrodox of the unorthodox.

The irony is that when you have a similar minded pack of mavericks search for a common ground, they're merely trying to create their own norm in their own dedicated space. To become mainstream with a different view is to create your own environment of similar minded.

To keep ZH valuable is to have a clear opinion that can deviate from the mass and not be discouraged by downvotes. Any discussion that discusses the issue at hand and avoids personal attacks is what I like to see.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 04:14 | 5166869 Ghordius
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schatzi, agree, but don't forget that some trolls seem to be paid for up- or down-votes. which is hilarious when you think that only commenters see those votes, and the majority of readers don't. well, I can't claim to have ever understood the voting thing, or even cared for it. I still find it very distracting

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 08:28 | 5167063 Minge
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Mon, 09/01/2014 - 06:17 | 5166952 snowlywhite
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the downvotes are ok. What I don't understand is the obsession with Putin. Being as much a conspiracy theorist as everyone around here, was always wondering...


don't get me wrong; it's not like I can't smell what's happening in US/EU - anyone from eastern Europe can smell authoritarian regimes from 1000 miles away. Ok, have to agree what's projecting in the "civilized" world also has a creepiness factor that I rarely saw. Seems scarily orwellian. But that doesn't make Putin anything more than he is.


If you don't like what's happening, stick to what worked before, when US was rolling - pitch and fork. Though I'm afraid it's too late. But don't invent heroes where there are none; it's delusional and nothing more...

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 07:28 | 5167015 matrix2012
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Well, most leaders will just succumb to the plot and pressure of the Pax Anglo-Americana / ZATO Axis and accept the newly created realities, or will back off orderly under the guise of compromise and then keep silent.

Vladimir Putin backs off not  a single inch, understandably he's playing the high level chess games at the moment, well, the Keynan Obozo is playing checkers and patting in the golf fields, attempting to beat Woods my guess.

Of course one may argue it's because Ukrainian issue, as well as the Syrian and Iranian issues, are the legitimate core interest of the Russian (while in Iraq/Saddam Hussein and Libya/Moamar Gaddhafi, they weren't) thus Putin won't back off. But the USA can lay claims that Kiev and Damascus are its core interests too, goddamn it as we all know, the USA has its Exceptional Core interests scattered all over the entire Planet Earth. Just ask the Earth people if one ever wonders... :-)

Now what makes Putin an exquisite charm, he's challenging the Petrodollar status, and gentlemen, allow me to tell you outright. i can care less what's the color of the skin or where does he/she come from, anyone who's daring to take down the WARRING Empire's funding source aka. the free flow celestially granted FRN is greatly welcome... for the sole sake of true peace on the Planet Earth. Amen. Amen.


Furthermore I do believe the MH17 was shotdown by the other side, Putin's hands are 100% clean in the tragedy-atrocity of this civilian passenger aircraft!!!

Anything that you still do not understand why Putin is welcomed and popular in ZH?

Hey come on dudes, this is a real life, on Planet Earth (not a heaven or the like), we aren't talking about the perfect saint or any other idealistic realm as one's weekly programming dosage may push down one's throat during the regular preaching... :-) LOL


Mon, 09/01/2014 - 08:00 | 5167029 snowlywhite
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I'm in real life; you... not so much.


US got 2/3rds of Ukraine at the least(assuming the eastern part will split). All of it if things go their way(I'd say 30% chance or so). But at the least, they got 2/3rds of it. Starting situation being Ukraine 100% Russia. From this you understand that "Vladimir Putin backs off not  a single inch". Huh?


mate, get a map. Border moved 1k miles in 20 years. Russians'd better win at chess, because here I certainly don't see a win. Nor do I see how Chuck Norris will prevent a secular decline. Agency might exist if you're the mayor of some town, but doesn't exist at this level. Russia exists because the West doesn't want to pave the way of the chinese and nothing more.


and your macho man should pray that US keeps finding sunnis a higher threat than Russia. Because otherwise, the next civil war will be in Russia proper. Ok, as much as Caucasus was ever Russia proper, which truth to be said, was never, but, let's face it, everyone hates extreme Islam.


p.s. - and get back to real life and drop the ideas about some zionist conspiracy as it ain't any. Grab a history book. It's just a system out of whack and a crop of "leaders" who have nothing to do with leadership. And a buncha humans that forgot what they want from a government and how to cull their "elites". Sure, it might feel better to imagine some conspiracy, but this is plain old mob laziness. People don't care; there's a price tag attached to "not caring", not a conspiracy.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 12:05 | 5167723 matrix2012
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@ snowlywhite

Ha ha ha you conveniently forgot about the CRIMEA...for the reunification alone with the Motherland, the Russian Federation has earns a priceless heart of the Black Sea charm.

You conveniently ignored the intentional slaughter of those innocent MH17 passengers by Ukie's Neo-NAZI fascists just to frame Russia against the Europe, a false flag to ignite the direct clash between the two yet it failed miserably.

Nice attempts, keep on defending the Empire of Wrath...perhaps you're tasked to carry their voices at ZH.



By Pepe Escobar | The Roving Eye - Aug 15, 2014


First, passenger airliner MH370 vanished from Planet Earth. Then MH370 vanished from the news cycle. First, MH17 was shot down by "Putin's missile" - as Planet Earth was told. Then MH17 vanished from the news cycle. 

Where's Baudrillard when we need him? Had he been alive, the dervish of simulacra would have already deconstructed these two Malaysian planes as mirror images; from absolute vanishing to maximum exposure, then vanished again. They might as well have been abducted - and shot - by aliens. Now you seem them, now you don't. 

Black boxes, data recorders - everything MH17 is now floating in a black void. The British are taking forever to analyze the data - and if they have already done so, they are not talking. It's as if they were singing, I see a black box / and I want it painted black … void.





All links in video at below link - Sherrie Questioning All:

"I have done a search about the black box results from MH17.  The latest I found was from July 30th.  They have only released that there was a massive decompression event.

One article has the excuse that the black boxes were old and may only provide sketchy data.

If there was any proof that Russia had committed the shooting down of MH17 it would be everywhere, but instead there is silence with no data from the black boxes being released.  That means that the information from the air traffic controller in Kiev was correct along with Russia's intelligence they released showing Ukraine is the one who shot down the plane.

So No outrage anymore from the West... in fact you would think it NEVER HAPPENED now."


Mon, 09/01/2014 - 12:32 | 5167810 snowlywhite
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who the f cares about that plane? your post has nothing to do with what I said. Crimea is... 3(5? no clue actually)% of Ukraine. Russia had 100% of Ukraine; now it might have a part of it. And that part might be 30%(that'd be the dream situation for Putin). For now they got Crimea and nothing more.


one word: map. K? If going from 100% to 5-30% is a win for you, yes, sorry, you're in your own world. Or you're deluded enough to believe Ukraine will come back to join the eurasian thing?

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 19:29 | 5165911 trulz4lulz
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Victoria Noodlmens $5Billion to Ukraine? Naw thats just for cookies and milk!

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 21:11 | 5166179 flapdoodle
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More likely Academi sniper training - its not easy to hit both sides indiscriminately during a protest.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 19:41 | 5165934 RECISION
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A Washington Post article.

Well, it MUST be true then...


Sometimes it is better to just stop talking - otherwise you just confirm you're an idiot.

Sun, 08/31/2014 - 20:37 | 5166087 ctiger
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do you seriously believe the bs that you're spouting????


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