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Biden: "Unions Built The Middle Class In America"
You didn't build that... Unions did. Vice President Joe Biden gave a 'rousing' Labor Day speech this morning explaining that "Unions did, in fact, build the middle-class... and that built The United States of America as we know it."
Seems like the policies since the crash have not been helping...
FACT: There is a record divergence between the exuberant 'rich' and crushed 'middle class'
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Obama/Biden White House has been a union busting regeme.
at least we've got Biden's son over in Ukraine "building" their middle class
Regardless of who built it we all know who is destroying it.
Fuck Biden and fuck unions.
"Unions did, in fact, build the middle-class... and that built The United States of America as we know it. And Progressive politicians like me are doing everything we can to destroy America as we knew it."
-- Biden's Ghost
"You didn't build that."
BHO
Bidens off script.
"SEVERAL HUNDRED PEOPLE CROWDED OLD TIGER STADIUM"
Several hundred don't fill half a section in old Tiger Field. I used to go there FFS
Several hundred people might have crowded hangers end depending on how shitfaced they were.....
One of the great attractions of patriotism - it fulfills our worst wishes. In the person of our nation we are able, vicariously, to bully and cheat. Bully and cheat, what's more, with a feeling that we are profoundly virtuous.
Aldous Huxley
Governments control businesses through corporations and labor through unions.
Both are legally beholden to government.
The local union has a flashing billboard. Last weks' message, "Unions: the provider of the weekend."
I tried to pull out my 9mm to shoot the thing out, but decided it wasn't the best thing to do. Thing is, some assholes will actually believe it. Take Biden for instance...please take Biden out someplace in the desert and tell him to smell the pretty cactus, then take off fast.
Yea, everyone knows the weekends, 40 hour work week, and overtime came from the benevolence of corporations. I mean what are these unions trying to pull over our eyes?
Weekends came from factory workers being too drunk to work. Unions are merely corporations.
Ahhhh, good ole plagerizing plugs Biden!
"Biden: "Unions Built The Middle Class In America""
Fed.
Slaughtered.
Ate.
{burp}
Now gimme's da next meal. GM shold do fine. Yeah, yeah....bondholders. Gimme' dat!
@ ArmyofOne
So don't work for somebody else and you can have zero hour work weeks with no overtime.
Nobody is forcing you to work for them, except in the case of government.
You dumbasses can never learn.
"Every day I remind myself that my inner and outer life are based on the labors of other people, living and dead, and that I must exert myself in order to give in the same measure as I have received and am still receiving."
- Albert Einstein
As good as gospel
That being said, Joey and all corrupt skimmers , government ,banking, corporate, union or otherwise can eat shit and die.
A bunch of millionaires speaking to the "rights of labor" are like porn stars speaking of the virtues of abstinence
PREPOSTEROUS !!!
Good old Al forgot to give credit to the untold number of self-replicating molecules, viruses, single-celled organisms, multi-celled organisms, let alone the Big Bang and all that.
I hate sappy stupid comments like Al's.
Of course, you are right. Business and Wall Street have opposed every single piece of socially progressive legislation over time. Busness supported slavery; then opposed child labor laws that limited weekly hourly restriction and created age limitations on young workers; then opposed civil rights laws; then opposed minimum wage laws; and then opposed unemployment insurance; opposed health care benefits; opposed vacations for workers and sick-day poliicies.
Biden is correct, the unions built the middle class. But the Business Class does not want democracy, they want a totalitarian society run by money. Unions were not perfect. They were run by the Mafia eventually. Of course, Wall Street is a white protestant mafia in suits and ties. We need to understand that we need both unions and Wall Street if we want a creative, rich life. But the power of each needs to be balanced. Neither side can win. Now, Wall Street has won. And the Middle Class is declining into Debt Slaves.
Of course, you are right. Business and Wall Street have opposed every single piece of socially progressive legislation over time. Busness supported slavery; then opposed child labor laws that limited weekly hourly restriction and created age limitations on young workers; then opposed civil rights laws; then opposed minimum wage laws; and then opposed unemployment insurance; opposed health care benefits; opposed vacations for workers and sick-day poliicies.
Biden is correct, the unions built the middle class. But the Business Class does not want democracy, they want a totalitarian society run by money. Unions were not perfect. They were run by the Mafia eventually. Of course, Wall Street is a white protestant mafia in suits and ties. We need to understand that we need both unions and Wall Street if we want a creative, rich life. But the power of each needs to be balanced. Neither side can win. Now, Wall Street has won. And the Middle Class is declining into Debt Slaves.
Of course, you are right. Business and Wall Street have opposed every single piece of socially progressive legislation over time. Busness supported slavery; then opposed child labor laws that limited weekly hourly restriction and created age limitations on young workers; then opposed civil rights laws; then opposed minimum wage laws; and then opposed unemployment insurance; opposed health care benefits; opposed vacations for workers and sick-day poliicies.
Biden is correct, the unions built the middle class. But the Business Class does not want democracy, they want a totalitarian society run by money. Unions were not perfect. They were run by the Mafia eventually. Of course, Wall Street is a white protestant mafia in suits and ties. We need to understand that we need both unions and Wall Street if we want a creative, rich life. But the power of each needs to be balanced. Neither side can win. Now, Wall Street has won. And the Middle Class is declining into Debt Slaves.
Im the farthest thing from a raving socialist...but...im pretty sure that amoung the things organized labor fought for were things like the 5 day workweek and the 8 hour workday.
And when I say fought, I mean people died in protests. Nobody decided that a weekend would be a nice thing to give to workers. Nobody gave workers anything that they didnt fight for.
And now we get to see things taken back.
If you want your safe working conditions you can keep your safe working conditions. But we'll start outsourcing to countries where people get treated like donkeys.
Nice.
Unions helped rein in corporate excesses - limit workweeks, get overtime and benefits and so much more that we take for granted. They often shed real blood doing so - look up the Colorado Labor Wars (just one of many instances).
HOWEVER you can also argue that many unions forgpt their purpose and ended up hurting their members to benefit union leadership. Way too many instances of this but that seems to happen to ANY 'organized' group if the members let it happen. At the same time many good work rules have been overwhelmed by 'bad' ones that end up eventually hurtign both the employer and employee. Failing to allow for technological progress has killed many unions and employers - think Linotype Operators. WOrk rules taken to extremes benefit nobody - I worked in a place with 27 unions once. One union opened a box, another took items OUT of the box. WTF? Plain old manual labor - that only moved things from A to B - were paid more than people that actually did work requiring thought and judgment. Certain printing press operators made more than 90% of the company management. This company was the largest employer in the Bronx for a century. It - and its 1500 jobs - disappeared because it coould not produce goods at competitive prices under an absurd matrix of workrules with overpaid workers that cared nothing about quality or production. The same paperhandling union here worked at newspapers. I heard members talk of shooting paperclips at the continuous web of paper running through presses printing the paper - deliberately causing a work stoppage and costing 10 minutes of resetting the paper web - simply because they wanted a 'break'. Mind you their job was simply to wait at the end of an automated process and take bundles of paper off the line and stack them on pallets. Not hard or difficult and they were paid over $30.000 a year (in the 1980's - equivalent to $50,000 a year now).
On the other hand you had skilled workers at a place like Farberware making pots and pans - earnign a reasonable salary for work that required years to master (ever spin metal?) see their jobs disappear when the brand name was sold off and all production went to China. Quality tanked.
The problem is that EVERYONE tneds to be as greedy as they can get away with. Unfortunately employers usually have more leverage. Nobody wants to be 'reasonable' because in everyone's own eyes 'reasonable' is what THEY want - not what the other guy wants.
We've seen a reversion in a move towards the cheapest possible labor costs- accompanied by the least possible benefits - to benefit companies in spite of an increased level of societal wealth. Instead of sharing the increases in wealth and productivity we've had over the past 50 years the benefots have gone to a VERY small number of people at the top. You could have more people making better salaries workign shorter hours with society as a whole better off but instead we're seeing a reversal of things. Henry Ford created buyers for his products - and increased production - when he paid assembly line workers more to reduce turnover. Now you have Walmart workers who can't live WITHOUT foodstamps while 7 Walkmart heirs are worth more than 40% of the whole US.
It doesn't matter how cheap you sell things for if nobody is earning enough to buy things.
Absolutely right. Both sides are imperfect, prone to corruption and autocracy. The key is: we need both sides, but ntiether side to win absolutely. Where did all the high-paying jobs in America go. They went away with the unions.
Wall Street wants you to believe that unions are not good for you. This is called advertising. The less for workers, the more for the landlords and the ownership class. We need to wake up.
As far competitng with the Third World for jobs that pay low wages, this is a Wall Street conception. The global economy is a Wall Street conception. Germany pays high wages and, up until the Russian War, was a thriving economy. We need to look at everything more clearly now, including higher taxes, and massive fines for corporations that want the American market but don't want to pay American workers or American taxes. The worm is turning. Business is our servant, not our master.
9 mm. Wrong tool. Take Joe's advice and use a shotgun to blow up that f***king union billboard.
unions are mafia, your union dues do in fact go to support those guys.
I wonder if banks and corporations should be charged under the RICO Act?
Yes. Wall Street is mafia also. Can both unions and Wall street be regulated? Not without a strong will, a democracy, and a middle class. No middle class, no democracy.
Anybody who thinks the unions of then are remotely the same as unions now..........
Guess not many people want to hear a funeral speech.
Without unions the individual does not have bargaining power.
Without skills, the individual doesn't have bargaining power. I left my last job because they wouldn't bargain. I'm now making 40% more money in a different place. I don't need some gangster doing collective bargaining for me. I've got the big boy boxer shorts on, and I can do it myself. Collective bargaining is for those who don't have the skills to be in enough demand that the next person crossing the border can't take their place.
Tell me I'm wrong. Don't use any profanity, and try to use full sentences.
Is that why programmers are watching their wages plummet? Their lack of skills? Or is it because corporations were given tax breaks to outsource labor to india and a billion + worker supply?
You've got your big boy pants on, eh? Ever try to step up to the boss after your wife got pregnant and as your youngest child fights leukemia? Nah, didn't think so.
Milli,
Where was the clothing you are wearing made? Put your money where you piehole is.
Yeah, I couldn't cloth myself with out sweatshops, which is my point, dildo. I hope those fucking people organize and get a working wage.
Supply and demand.
This is the result of Demockracy. Read it and weap. Government created the corporation. Government favors the corporation. IF you don't like how you are being treated, become a corporation.
So when corporations working in concert to artifically drive down wages that's not supply and demand its coporations acting like capitalist mafia thugs.
Suit Reveals Alleged Silicon Valley Anti-Poaching Schemehttp://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2399555,00.asp
" Suit Reveals Alleged Silicon Valley Anti-Poaching Scheme "
All markets are rigged... even the labor market.
Thanks for posting that link, anyone looking close will be somewhat mortified that these guys are the very same who have our whole lives data formatted into their files. Total coollusion and not even meaningful in financial terms given what those companies can afford to pay, just powertripping because they can, totally illegal as well as anti-free market and immoral.
Imagine how they must play politics.
http://pando.com/2014/01/23/the-techtopus-how-silicon-valleys-most-celeb...
That's another article covering the same material (but better!).
filed on behalf of over 100,000 tech employees whose wages were artificially lowered — an estimated $9 billion effectively stolen by the high-flying companies from their workers to pad company earnings
Anyway, the ongoing:
http://recode.net/2014/08/08/judge-rejects-324-5-million-settlement-over...
Four Silicon Valley companies including Apple and Google failed to persuade a U.S. judge to sign off on a $324.5 million settlement to resolve a lawsuit by tech workers
This is how companies treat the most exclusive workers..
Or yeah, do what all the geniuses on here do "work for yourself" lol. Very realistic for 120m people!
Pretty much you can overlay a chart of the rise and fall of american labour unions with the rise and fall of the middle class. But that's all the past, now my pitch for the future:
I'mma gunna open my own lab, just need 100M$ to start, fuck business loans, anyone got some silver?
The good programmers that I know are getting top dollar. They stay on top of the newest technology.
Stop playin' freddie, you don't know any top programmers.
"Skills" is the fallacy of your argument. Its about wealth derived by labor and how its shared amoung those who make it. Collective bargaining isn't just about payment based on skills its about gaining a larger portion of the wealth labor creates placed into there paychecks.
ST Wong
You are correct
Say what you want about Biden, but I thoroughly enjoyed watching him destroy that cowlicked troll Paul Ryan.
Destroyed? huh?
Biden didn't destroy anyone. He acted like a pompous ass and you bought into it hook, line and sinker. If he had to speak about the economy without spouting rehearsed platitudes designed to fool the sheep, he would be at a loss. The man is an idiot whose overconfidence is mistaken for intelligence by the herd.
Maybe he could call his good friend John Corzine again to help.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buRO9TSlScQ
Why is the Market Basket issue so important?
A: they were Non Union and WON.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2014/08/28/vennochi/yGEFtx9d60vZgHUlC...
I was under the impression that Henry Ford built the Middle Class by paying decent wages.
Henry also figured out a few things about productivity through mass production.
If he had gone into Buggy Whips, his success might have been more limited?
In the modern era, he'd have been competing against subsidized, unionized buggy-whip manufacturers having powerful congress-critters in their pocket, bought and paid for.
and massive tarrifs on imported manufactured goods, especially cars.
Destruction precedes creation.
The destruction process of our economic and political system is on-going and will be painful.
Obama is the accelerator. Biden is the fuzzy dice hanging off the mirror.
Republican are the breaks.
I am more equal...,
Meaningless jargon!
Republicans and Democrats are basically manifestation of the same thing.
Finite planet, that’s the main reason.
1993 Speech Stan Meyer Exposes One World Government
Stanley Meyer Autopsy Report
Another completely irrelevant, out of touch, delusional statement by a completely irrelevant, out of touch, delusional politician!!!
If we weren't completely brainwashed and historyless in America at this point, such a statement would have been met with this follow up.......
"Yes Mr Biden, but those unions in the early 20th century existed in an environment of non globalism and big government de-centralization, where 80+% of American manufacturing along with every other means of economic production, mostly remained owned by Americans inside American borders!! How in the hell, does your statement make any sense or have any relevance in the world of 2014, where the exact opposite conditions currently exist"???
I would expect the pause would be quit extended, before "next question"
Bush and Barry have shipped more jobs overseas, and allowed more illegals as well as legal immigrants to flood our country [and steal union and non-union jobs, mainly in the private sector] then in the previous 200 years.
It's all part of their global scheme of things to destroy the Middle Class on the road to forced serfdom.
CheapBastard,
Your statement is false.
The decline of America started in 1949.
In 1960's, more dominos felt in Asia and South America.
In 1970's, the US was already bankrupted.
In 1980's, even running the highest debt to GDP EVER, and having the Petrodollar, the impoverishment and degradation, inequality, homelessness, destruction of family values, hunger, and other values of contemporary "conservatism" started rising in America, as well as in Britain.
All got masked by dot.com bubble in the 1990’s. And the housing bubble in the 2000’s.
2008 was the first shock. Now, we’re in an exponential moment in the crisis.
It only gets worse from here, I am sorry to say.
Ever-accelerating national "investment" in perpetual war always ends in tears. We reap what we sow.
Endless pursuit of the cheapest possible labor - ship jobs (and factories) overseas to avoid labor, safety and pollution laws or bring in cheap labor (legally or illegally) if you can't move the jobs. Illegals for things lime meatpacking and construction and H1B's for programming.
It all comes down to a fundamental issue. Do you want 'money' to be a store of value for EXPENDED LABOR or will you allow 'money' to be some abstract thing that derives value ONLY from government edict, something thts can be created at will?
"Money' used to represent some kind of 'added value' (mining ore, smelting metal, making something out of that metal, growing grain, milling flour, baking bread, serving that bread in a restaurant) - all of which required the expenditure of labor.
If no labor is exerted and 'money' can be created out of thin air, you devale ALL 'money' - with those farthest from the source of issuance (workers) losing the most value. Those closest to the creation of 'money' (government, banks, government contractors) can still profit greatly at the expense of those farthest away - actual workers.
'Free trade' agreements - pushed by BOTH political parties - have been the death of the US (and all western) middle classes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PQrz8F0dBI
casey13
We are all destroying!
One barrel of oil, priced at just over $100 boasts 5,700,000 BTUs or work potential of 1700kWhs. At an average of .60 kWh per work day, to generate this amount of ‘labor’, an average human would have to work 2833 days, or 11 working years. At the average hourly US wage rate, this is almost $500,000 of labor can be substituted by the latent energy in one barrel of oil that costs us $100. Unbeknownst to most stock and bond researchers on Wall Street, this is the real ‘Trade’.— Nate Hagens
http://www.themonkeytrap.us/twenty-important-concepts-i-wasnt-taught-in-...
An olympic cyclist puts out 200 watts at best.
per second
per min
per hour
per year
per decade
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Per hour!
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"Unions did, in fact, build the middle-class, which built The United States of America as we know it. This has been allowed to go on for far too long, and nobody has done anything about it. I'm here to tell you today that this administration is stepping up to the plate and saying 'no more'. It's time to put an end to it; that's what the people elected us to do, and that's what we're going to do, with or without the support of the congress."
-- 'Uncle Joe' Biden
rather than having a nation chiefly populated by subsistence farmers throughout the 1900s, the us borrowed from the future.
the people who would have otherwise been subsistence farmers in 2060 will instead be penniless, destitute, diseased, addicted, landless, unable to read, unable to grow food ..
but for a few generations, the wealth borrowed to finance warfighting and resource-extraction and manufacturing was sufficient to install the otherwise-subsistence-farmers into middle-class urban tax-cow paradise
it was a great ride
Biden,
Cheap oil, global reserve currency, and debt... mainly.
But nice talk point to the misinformed mass, I must say!
Joe Biden...A legend in his own mind.
Not true. They've made a union between China and Russia.
Government unions is what they mean, Soul Glow. Anything private sector is bad to them, even unions.
@ Soul Glow
I got news for you..
The unions themselves are the union busting regime
Sure, unions mostly consist of yes men who have found a niche in the system, but the idea of forming a union in a corpratacracy is needed. Otherwise workers would be trounced by the shareholders per cutting wages during stagnation of growth.
I'm an engineer who works in the R&D house of a corporation. Our machinists are union guys. When I need parts fabricated for a new product, I always take the work to a non-union machine shop outside the company because I know I'll always get the parts I need faster and cheaper than if I had it done in house -- and I know it will also be done right the first time. The union guys in my machine shop will never admit it, but their sorry work ethic and high rates are putting us out of business.
I dropped out of the union for that very reason. They are a useless money pit only concerned about their next big conference. AND THEN using dues to give to the parasites in government.OMG!
Obscene
R
Yep. I was in a union IBEW in a northern state and then a union from Boston executed a hostile takeover of the other. Left us guys out in the cold two years later. I would never work union again.
Obummer Treasury Secretary Jack Lew broke the teaching assistant union when he was NYU executive vice president. Those teaching assistants made under $30,000 a year, sometimes way under. When Lew left for a higher paying job at CitiBank, NYU gave him severance pay of about $750,000, including writing off his home mortgage, which NYU financed. Quit a job after under five years and get severance pay. Good deal for Lew, not so for NYU students, who pay the highest tuition for a school that gives out the least scholarships.
my Dad was self employed in the small grocery business in Chicago in the 50's and 60's, He, my mother, my brother and I all worked there.
We were all forced to be union members "or else".
Screw the unions. They are an entitlement program for the Union Bosses, paid for by the people they are supossed to help. In the meantime ho wmany union pensions are broke cause the union leaders did not give a shit and made the companie scave on what the union bosses knew was not affordable. And remeber we are a global society, so we compete with everybody selling without regulations and unions and benefits etc.
How many homeowners, workers, and retiree's lost everything because they believed in the integity of our capitalist system?
Memories are short and narrow it seems. Compared to the malfeasants on Wall St. unions are like kittens to mountian lions.
People believe what the media tells them they believe.
-- George Orwell
Things like hope and change and fundamental transformation and the collapse in housing prices was all the fault of the private sector and had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with government policies and sweet compensation packages for the politically connected (like Jack Lew and Franklin Raines) at places like Citi and Fannie and Freddie.
I don't have a problem with unions. Where I have a problem is with the fact that in some places you cannot opt out of joining a union in order to practice your trade. As an example, many years ago I was turned down for a job that I was well qualified for because I would not agree to join a union. If people want the right to unionize and petition employers for better benefits and wages, fine. Just don't punish those of us who don't wish to participate to join in order to secure employment. And that nonsense about non-union people riding union members coattails is rubbish. I will negotiate my own compensation without regard to what union members receive.
I have a problem with unions. I have belonged to the laundry workers union, the teamsters union and the laborers union. Without a doubt, I can say they are corrupt goverment vote gathering machines that operate on a purely quid pro quo basis with the democrat party to the detriment of the country as a whole. Selfish greed is fostered amoung a thuggish base that allows no freedoms or fresh ideas, period.
The need and usefulness of unions are a thing of the past. They no longer represent the workers. They represent government incorporated.
.....and yet, these sucker union chumps support the Democrats who want to bring in illegals to take their jobs and lower their wages. The union motto should be "Made With Pride In America.....Just Not By Americans".
Yup, more "brothers" = more dues. No matter wages drop.
'Pandering' is the term to use here.
'Whore' might be another.
That Biden might actually give a shit about good jobs for Americans.
He serves the oligarchs and the oligarchs don't give a rat's ass.
You wanted that nigger to give you HOPE and CHANGE. You got it.
TAUPE and CHANGE!
Said Biden, who never worked a day in his life.
Sucking your wealth from you is hard work!
Biden / Kerry 2016. The best presidential ticket EVER (for comedic value)!
At the rate we're going, another ticket like Romney/Ryan or Paul would lose to the Democrats again.
(not suggesting any preference in the R/B game, just sayin' that the R's are at war with their own true conservative/Libertarian base)
In fact, I'd go so far as to say that if the R's run Romney again (them's the polls and you all know how the politicians love polls) the R's will guarantee and Clinton presidency in spite of a better set up for the R's with Nobomba than the Dem's had post Bush
(again, not my preferences, just sayin' that's what it looks like out there)
If the GOP fails to nominate Rand Paul they can NEVER, EVER, claim to have conservative principles again. Furthermore the idiots in their party who voted down a Rand Paul presidency can come out of the closet as the corpratist, christian facist, sychophants of state power they truly are.
Absolutivestilvelyrightspotonbro
Perhaps an outsider...Ben Carson?
Dr Ben hates the 2nd Amendment.
Damn shame too....
Doom.
I know I'm preaching to the choir....
Bush=Clinton=Obama
GOP=DEM=INC
Nothing changes until K Street burns.
Trump/Palin 2016 or Kucinich/Trafficant 2016.
AIPAC\ISIS 2016
me/myshadow 2016 or whenever
Don't laugh too hard....if for some reason the Clintons take a pass on a return to the throne....Figure the odds on that....but still possible...
Unions built that hairline. Hair Club for Men union.
PCR is just out with an article on the same topic:
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/08/31/labors-demise-americas-demise-paul-craig-roberts/
Mr. Biden, if you want a strong middle class then why do you allow the Fed to implement policy that destroys them? Why do you suck up to the criminal running the TBTF banks? You and your boss are great at talking out of both sides of your mouth while doing nothing except partying with your rich friends, playing gold and going on vacation. I can't belive the American public is so stupid. Actions speak so much louder than words, but it seems desparate and entitled Americans will settle for empty promises of free shit.
Or...to rebuild the USA we could simply buy US products, preferably non-union. And, for the hot shots here...start manufacturing businesses in the US.
Digging out of this hole won't be easy. Though we knew we were sliding quickly into this hole 5-6 years ago - we've gone in the opposite direction that we should have.
You aught to check out the wages scales in the "Right To Work For Less" states vs those not in the same said states. No matter what industy you compare its always less.
Not coincidentally, so is the cost of living.
A virtueless cycle in deed.
Yes, it's all relative. Rich is having all your wants satisfied. Too many were willing to use homes for ATMs or believed they could afford McMansions that would always appreciate...because they couldn't calibrate their wants, because they fell for materialism as a sign of richness, only to discover they were still extremely unhappy, in over their heads, and too stupid not to listen to dolts like Biden blaming their problems on someone else.
Or they where stampeded into a waste land of false beliefs perpetrated by our financial services industry and their government bagholders.
Exactly...blame some one else. There is no such thing as free will and individual responsibility.
My psychologist friend offers proof that liberalism is a mental disorder, the delusion that someone else will take care of you.
Choice are made from the options available. See yield chasing.
So, for many their only choice was to cash out equity to go deeper in debt to piss away wealth on consumption, or to sign up for a mortgage they could never realistically hope to survive. Those choices?
Or people could leave the animal world and abandon the ingroup-outgroup concept of nations.
No real human could support something as destructive.
I have an older friend in his late 70's who used to work in GE manufacturing , He was / is a skilled machinist - one of those guys that is super smart, can do , common sense kind of guys. He was offered a buyout from GE when they started closing the production plants ( it was a take the offer or get fired deal ), and the offered to sell him all the machinery he used at his station in GE. He bought it all for almost nothing, and is still using all the machinery 20+ years later. The giant sized machine lathe and drill presses were all mfg in the 1920's, and are still running today. Ask him and his retired GE buddies about the Unions - not one of them has an anything good to say.
@Verify
That will require many laws, treaties and policies to be axed. As the corporations feed the Washington parasites that will not happen.............. peacably.
R
Clinton, NAFTA and well.....
Ross Perot was right...
Hear that sucking sound?
Biden and his sons are scum. Who put him in power in Delaware? Credit card companies. Some of the biggest parasite's known to man.
Biden you lying traitorous scumbag. The only thing that "built America," or "built the American Middle Class" was property rights, sound money and the ability to start a small business with no fucking oversight or approval from shitbags like you.
All of which are GONE because of Rothschild agents such as yourself.
Fucking idiot.
The unions, especially the public sector parasites, have never, ever, built anything.
The twat is just looking to garner a few votes.
"... as we know it."
I submit that a significant portion of the current middle class is on government benefits. Half of households have a person on some sort of government support. And 47 million on food stamps. And unions helped create this.
Look into the history of working Americans during the era of the Robber Barons. Unions have done a great deal of good for the American worker.
Till they jumped in bed with the corporate FSA.
Millivanilli
Yeah bullshit. Where did you learn that, government school?
Please do us all a favor before you post again, take a course at Mises.org and speare us the regurgitation of communist doctrine.
In places for workers who had no ability to move and were stuck with debt from a company store and unsafe working conditions. Unions have long since outlived their usefulness.
Hey wait a minute, unions have built some pretty good economic deserts. Western New York comes to mind....
Grimaldus
unions built the shitmobile i once owned.
So unions desgined, procured parts, and directed workers to built shitmobiles? That's quite a pass for management.
Especially a pass for union management that demanded ever higher wages and awesome pensions and health care for life, resulting in health insurance companies that happen to build cars.
2 more years of this fuck-stick and his teleprompter in chief side-kick ... holy crap ... we are so screwed ...
Sadly or foolishly some Americans think that the 2014 or 2016 fake elections will change amerika's desecent into hell. The govt is filled with evil scum including all branches of govt, military and judiciary,
None the less, I am going to vote Republican because when we do decend into hell (inevitable either party) I want my guns with me.
what happened to "you didnt build that?"
Biden is lying.
The moving lips are a sure tell.
Waiting for my train at an East-coast station, I read a series of posters recounting the decades-long struggle to unionize the negro railroad porters and bargain for better wages. According to the posters, this effort succeeded. I wanted to confirm this by asking the porters themselves, but I couldn't find any.
LOL! Amtrak - if Obama ran a railroad.
Shut the fuck up, Freddie!
Don't give him anymore ideas.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
It would be just like him, since everything else touched by this administration has gone to hell in flaming bags, that he'd turn exactly somewhere like that for a New Just and Diverse Venture....
Maybe the best thing any of us can do is start unending conversations about how great the weather is over Congressional CC way today....
Fuck. You. Biden and your labor day pablum putrefaction.
Anything that comes out of Mr Imbecile Biden who spouts such moronic rubbish as 'you have to spend money to save from going bankrupt', is a waste of air
It's all in how you look at it. You have to spend someone else's money to save from going bankrupt.
The only union Preezy seeks is when he hands out the free cigarettes to the FSA on election day. He expects that union to last til most of his FSA gets through the polling process . . . 6 times each. Then it's back to the project to impregnate another welfare momma to make Preezy another loyal subject.
Geebus. At some point, someone should have leaned over to Choo-Choo and said "you realize you are delivering these remarks in what is left of Detroit, don't you?"
Union workers pay federal income on thier labor, Corporatiions and Oligarths like Warren Buffett pay no taxes have no allegiance to anything but thier god which is money, I agree with the anger stated here, dump the money trust and go back to sound money, if its not too late. I will be paying rent to Shwartzmen and his Blackstone henchmen soon I fear.
And the Federal Government with the help of a "manufactured series of conflict(s)" and manipulated markets can take it away!...
Biden and the Democrats ass kissing unions when the big unions have sold out their workers and are as limp as Obama's dick. Fuck Biden and the AFL/CIO sell outs.
"The middle class built America, despite the unions." There, fixed it.
How do you fix ass-backwards?
Typical rich man with a guilty conscious, stupid fuck never worked a day in his life, or ever made a payroll to benefit other workers or their families.
Senior Union workers are just like Government workers. Don't do shit, still get paid and never get fired
Well it sure wasn't the fucking corporations.
Repeal the Taft Hartley Act and we'll see how many workers find unions irrelevant.
The unions certainly did build up the middle class in America by extracting wages and benefits and retirement benefits that were unsustainable in the longer run although in the shorter term it sure felt good.