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Ex-NSA Director, US Intelligence Veterans Write Open Letter To Merkel To Avoid All-Out Ukraine War

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Alarmed at the anti-Russian hysteria sweeping Washington, and the specter of a new Cold War, U.S. intelligence veterans one of whom is none other than William Binney, the former senior NSA crypto-mathematician who back in March 2012 blew the whistle on the NSA's spying programs more than a year before Edward Snowden, took the unusual step of sending the following memo dated August 30 to German Chancellor Merkel challenging the reliability of Ukrainian and U.S. media claims about a Russian "invasion."

Via AntiWar and ConsortiumNews, highlights ours

MEMORANDUM FOR: Angela Merkel, Chancellor of Germany
FROM: Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS)
SUBJECT: Ukraine and NATO

We the undersigned are longtime veterans of U.S. intelligence. We take the unusual step of writing this open letter to you to ensure that you have an opportunity to be briefed on our views prior to the NATO summit on September 4-5.

You need to know, for example, that accusations of a major Russian "invasion" of Ukraine appear not to be supported by reliable intelligence. Rather, the "intelligence" seems to be of the same dubious, politically "fixed" kind used 12 years ago to "justify" the U.S.-led attack on Iraq. We saw no credible evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq then; we see no credible evidence of a Russian invasion now. Twelve years ago, former Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, mindful of the flimsiness of the evidence on Iraqi WMD, refused to join in the attack on Iraq. In our view, you should be appropriately suspicions of charges made by the US State Department and NATO officials alleging a Russian invasion of Ukraine.

President Barack Obama tried yesterday to cool the rhetoric of his own senior diplomats and the corporate media, when he publicly described recent activity in the Ukraine, as "a continuation of what’s been taking place for months now … it’s not really a shift."

Obama, however, has only tenuous control over the policymakers in his administration – who, sadly, lack much sense of history, know little of war, and substitute anti-Russian invective for a policy. One year ago, hawkish State Department officials and their friends in the media very nearly got Mr. Obama to launch a major attack on Syria based, once again, on "intelligence" that was dubious, at best.

Largely because of the growing prominence of, and apparent reliance on, intelligence we believe to be spurious, we think the possibility of hostilities escalating beyond the borders of Ukraine has increased significantly over the past several days. More important, we believe that this likelihood can be avoided, depending on the degree of judicious skepticism you and other European leaders bring to the NATO summit next week.

Experience With Untruth

Hopefully, your advisers have reminded you of NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen’s checkered record for credibility. It appears to us that Rasmussen’s speeches continue to be drafted by Washington. This was abundantly clear on the day before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq when, as Danish Prime Minister, he told his Parliament: "Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. This is not something we just believe. We know."

Photos can be worth a thousand words; they can also deceive. We have considerable experience collecting, analyzing, and reporting on all kinds of satellite and other imagery, as well as other kinds of intelligence. Suffice it to say that the images released by NATO on August 28 provide a very flimsy basis on which to charge Russia with invading Ukraine. Sadly, they bear a strong resemblance to the images shown by Colin Powell at the UN on February 5, 2003 that, likewise, proved nothing.

That same day, we warned President Bush that our former colleague analysts were "increasingly distressed at the politicization of intelligence" and told him flatly, "Powell’s presentation does not come close" to justifying war. We urged Mr. Bush to "widen the discussion … beyond the circle of those advisers clearly bent on a war for which we see no compelling reason and from which we believe the unintended consequences are likely to be catastrophic."

Consider Iraq today. Worse than catastrophic. Although President Vladimir Putin has until now showed considerable reserve on the conflict in the Ukraine, it behooves us to remember that Russia, too, can "shock and awe." In our view, if there is the slightest chance of that kind of thing eventually happening to Europe because of Ukraine, sober-minded leaders need to think this through very carefully.

If the photos that NATO and the US have released represent the best available "proof" of an invasion from Russia, our suspicions increase that a major effort is under way to fortify arguments for the NATO summit to approve actions that Russia is sure to regard as provocative. Caveat emptor is an expression with which you are no doubt familiar. Suffice it to add that one should be very cautious regarding what Mr. Rasmussen, or even Secretary of State John Kerry, are peddling.

We trust that your advisers have kept you informed regarding the crisis in Ukraine from the beginning of 2014, and how the possibility that Ukraine would become a member of NATO is anathema to the Kremlin. According to a February 1, 2008 cable (published by WikiLeaks) from the US embassy in Moscow to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, US Ambassador William Burns was called in by Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, who explained Russia’s strong opposition to NATO membership for Ukraine.

Lavrov warned pointedly of "fears that the issue could potentially split the country in two, leading to violence or even, some claim, civil war, which would force Russia to decide whether to intervene." Burns gave his cable the unusual title, "NYET MEANS NYET: RUSSIA’S NATO ENLARGEMENT REDLINES," and sent it off to Washington with IMMEDIATE precedence. Two months later, at their summit in Bucharest NATO leaders issued a formal declaration that "Georgia and Ukraine will be in NATO."

Just yesterday, Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseny Yatsenyuk used his Facebook page to claim that, with the approval of Parliament that he has requested, the path to NATO membership is open. Yatsenyuk, of course, was Washington’s favorite pick to become prime minister after the February 22 coup d’etat in Kiev. "Yats is the guy," said Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland a few weeks before the coup, in an intercepted telephone conversation with US Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt. You may recall that this is the same conversation in which Nuland said, "Fuck the EU."

Timing of the Russian "Invasion"

The conventional wisdom promoted by Kiev just a few weeks ago was that Ukrainian forces had the upper hand in fighting the anti-coup federalists in southeastern Ukraine, in what was largely portrayed as a mop-up operation. But that picture of the offensive originated almost solely from official government sources in Kiev. There were very few reports coming from the ground in southeastern Ukraine. There was one, however, quoting Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, that raised doubt about the reliability of the government’s portrayal.

According to the "press service of the President of Ukraine" on August 18, Poroshenko called for a "regrouping of Ukrainian military units involved in the operation of power in the East of the country. … Today we need to do the rearrangement of forces that will defend our territory and continued army offensives," said Poroshenko, adding, "we need to consider a new military operation in the new circumstances."

If the "new circumstances" meant successful advances by Ukrainian government forces, why would it be necessary to "regroup," to "rearrange" the forces? At about this time, sources on the ground began to report a string of successful attacks by the anti-coup federalists against government forces. According to these sources, it was the government army that was starting to take heavy casualties and lose ground, largely because of ineptitude and poor leadership.

Ten days later, as they became encircled and/or retreated, a ready-made excuse for this was to be found in the "Russian invasion." That is precisely when the fuzzy photos were released by NATO and reporters like the New York Times’ Michael Gordon were set loose to spread the word that "the Russians are coming." (Michael Gordon was one of the most egregious propagandists promoting the war on Iraq.)

No Invasion – But Plenty Other Russian Support

The anti-coup federalists in southeastern Ukraine enjoy considerable local support, partly as a result of government artillery strikes on major population centers. And we believe that Russian support probably has been pouring across the border and includes, significantly, excellent battlefield intelligence. But it is far from clear that this support includes tanks and artillery at this point – mostly because the federalists have been better led and surprisingly successful in pinning down government forces.

At the same time, we have little doubt that, if and when the federalists need them, the Russian tanks will come.

This is precisely why the situation demands a concerted effort for a ceasefire, which you know Kiev has so far been delaying. What is to be done at this point? In our view, Poroshenko and Yatsenyuk need to be told flat-out that membership in NATO is not in the cards – and that NATO has no intention of waging a proxy war with Russia – and especially not in support of the ragtag army of Ukraine. Other members of NATO need to be told the same thing.

For the Steering Group, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity

  •     William Binney, former Technical Director, World Geopolitical & Military Analysis, NSA; co-founder, SIGINT Automation Research Center (ret.)
  •     David MacMichael, National Intelligence Council (ret.)
  •     Ray McGovern, former US Army infantry/intelligence officer & CIA analyst (ret.)
  •     Elizabeth Murray, Deputy National Intelligence Officer for Middle East (ret.)
  •     Todd E. Pierce, MAJ, US Army Judge Advocate (Ret.)
  •     Coleen Rowley, Division Counsel & Special Agent, FBI (ret.)
  •     Ann Wright, Col., US Army (ret.); Foreign Service Officer (resigned)
 

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Mon, 09/01/2014 - 20:59 | 5169493 cifo
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These guys (and girls) have big balls indeed.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 21:02 | 5169498 saratogaprepper
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I'd stay away from nailguns if I were them.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 21:05 | 5169508 X.inf.capt
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WOW!

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 21:39 | 5169631 Herd Redirectio...
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Told ya the Armed Forces told TPTB "Go fuck yourselves, we're not fighting Russia."

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 21:52 | 5169684 sunaJ
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How un-patriotic of them!  Sadly, you don't have to be an ex- or current NSA employee to see it.  All it takes is a reasonable person to pay attention (I know, this is the problem) to the web of disinfo and it is obviously a shit show.  As far as I can tell, here is where we are:

 

The Western political regime has been failing for a long time, and has maintained a constant "crisis-mode" in order to keep the facade up and the dissent down. 

The financial fraud has long since engulfed the entire economic system of the west, to where now virtually every market is dominated by these fraudsters.

To placate the inattentive masses, the narratives (political, social and economic) must become more and more bizzare in order to maintain the look of "sanity."

The corporate press are so desperate to maintain the failed narratives and faux polarities that little or no truth is revealed by the former 4th estate.

Because of the ongoing narrative, people die every day - through murder, hardship and suicide - so that a few can benefit from this failed society.

The most powerful and technologically advanced military in the world is still serving this failed regime.

 

If you try to find reason or good social conscience in any of it, it will do nothing but make you mentally ill, because all it is there to do is to hide the truth and to cover the tracks of traitor elites that will destroy everyone rather than relinquish power.   All of these tools and centralized powers will soon be turned upon Americans in true and all-out snake-eats-tail fashion. 

 

Since I have let go of the otherwise meaningless narratives peddled on MSM and by gov talking heads, I really do see where much of it all fits together.  What I'm saying is, there is much less cognitive dissonance when you realize that your society actually is caving in on itself.   The best thing I can suggest if and when you come to these conclusions is to set long-term constructive goals that assume the above is true.  Don't panic.  Make goals.  Here are some I came up with:

-become as self-reliant as possible, and as little reliant upon the gov as possible.

-without evangelizing it, always be prepared to help your loved ones understand it.

-have an emergency action plan (or plans) to cover a variety of contingencies.

-teach yourself as many skills and trades that would be important in a post-financial collapse world.

-network with your neighbors (face-to-face, not on FB, ffs).

-stay in shape.

-don't wallow in the sadness of a society that is destroying itself, or you will reflect it in one way or another (substance abuse, depression, etc).

 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 21:57 | 5169701 markmotive
Mon, 09/01/2014 - 22:07 | 5169730 Herd Redirectio...
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Yep, exercise.  I am involved in coaching the youngsters (soccer), and its important for me that they LOVE physical exercise.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 22:14 | 5169746 Chupacabra-322
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Modern day Hero's. the Pressititue media will not utter a word of it.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 22:23 | 5169786 TeamDepends
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Good thing no one pays attention to them anymore. They are sinking like a stone.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 22:41 | 5169843 linniepar
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Thank you for this.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 22:54 | 5169872 nope-1004
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Sanity, finally.  I guess if anyone normal is given airtime, or allowed to have their views published, then basically anything of common sense is seen as sane against the current Banker Cabal trying to protect a dead petro-currency with their insane acts of agression, false flags, empty threats, and money market manipulation.

 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 23:18 | 5169931 Bananamerican
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CIA, you done fucked up...
You accidentally hired some people of intelligence AND principle

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 23:24 | 5169938 Stuart
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ZeroHedge needs to keep this post on top of main page for many days.  It's important enough to do so... to spread this POV.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 23:44 | 5169982 Drunk In Church
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I'm not sure what to do with Russia.  But I trust Obama's wisdom completely.  He's my favorite dictator.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 23:57 | 5170006 jeff montanye
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at first read this link seems incredible but it seems to connect the dots with a minimum of fuss.

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:Fifty_Years_of_the_Deep_State

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 06:39 | 5170354 GetZeeGold
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I trust Obama's wisdom completely.  He's my favorite dictator.

 

Winner of the John Boehner/John McCain award for complicity.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 06:54 | 5170360 negative rates
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What she said.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 08:42 | 5170512 Occident Mortal
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Foreign policy in Washington has been a complete shambles for a decade now. Perhaps longer but the last 10 years have been just attrocious.

 

There is no strategy, no long term goal and no planning. It is clear as day to everyone. What doctrine are they following? PIVOTING towards 8,000 miles of open water?

You don't have to be Vladimir Putin to spot that US foreign policy has collapsed into some kind of strategic infancy.

 

Trying to spark a war with the Kremlin on Asian soil is nothing short of absolute suicide. Not even the entire world combined could defeat Russia in war. Just like the entire world combined could not defeat the US or China, or India you cannot defeat an indigenous population on their home turf, it's impossible to hold the ground. All that can be achieved with war is to assassinate a regime. Unless you follow Adolf Hitler down the road of genocide it is impossible to defeat any population of 100 million people.

 

The USA failed to convincingly defeat the Viet Cong and failed to bring change to Iraq. What do they think will happen when that go toe to toe with Russian military prowess and all the strategic and tactical sophistication that the Russians repeatedly show. Fire and Brimstone would rain down on North America from the Arctic Circle.

 

A hot war with Russia would yield nothing. Even if the West assassinated Putin, it is likely that an even more radical anti-West hardman would take his place.

 

If you're going to start a war, don't go after a strategically astute country who command a third of the worlds resources. With slavery abolshied, what can war actually achieve? In this day and age you cannot subjugate the defeated population. There are no spoils, only blowback.

 

 

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 09:03 | 5170592 g speed
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except if you're a tribe inside a country --

be very afraid of nukes going off in Russia ala 9/11 alse flag style-- courtesy of your frendly neighborhood Dual citizenship fifth column (collum)

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 17:50 | 5173044 omniversling
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The unstrategy main course is going very well thanks, with chaos theory for dessert. Ordo ab Chao with cigars for afters. At the table of Tabula Rasa, with the NuHistory pre-written in predictive programming, including Revelations, by those who are 'specially chosen to inherit the Earth'. Russia, like Serbia and Greece, are Orthdox, and therefore their traditions must also be destroyed.

Ziology: [Herzlese zio-, zio- + Greek -logi, -logy.] 1. The science of death on 'unchosen' living organisms, including their structure, function, growth, origin, evolution, and distribution. It includes botany and zoology and all their subdivisions. 2. The death processes or characteristic phenomena of a group or category of living organisms: the biology of viruses. 3. The surplanting of plant and animal life of a specific area or region.

When was the word/concept of Zion first used? From the Herzl Museum portal (I suppose it's authentic or would have been shot down):

The origin of the word Zionism is, of course, the word Zion. That word, in itself, is one of the stranger words in the Hebrew language, meaning at one and the same time, both a place and an idea. Even the place identified as Zion has changed with time. Originally identified with a Jebusite (Canaanite) citadel, conquered by David and first mentioned in our sources, in that context, the place of Zion shifted substantially with time. Always it meant part of Jerusalem, but which precise part changed to include different parts of the city in different periods. At some times it was used to refer to the whole city.

http://www.herzl.org/english/Article.aspx?Item=566#1

This is an incredibly informative website, and very highly recommended. Good to know who is a mortal threat to all I hold dear. 


"By thine own hand shall ye be judged"

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 06:59 | 5170363 nmewn
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"Um, errr ahhh, anyone seen my strategy round here?" - Obama

"I stuck it in the Comprehensive-Ominibus Package to Keep the Government Open Bill." - Boehner

"Thanks! No wonder I couldn't find it!" - Obama

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 07:57 | 5170394 GetZeeGold
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We're gonna bomb ISIS in Iraq....and arm ISIS in Syria.

 

Hopefully they won't get together and compare notes.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 23:58 | 5170007 CheapBastard
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This means War!

 

Based on:

1) 89% of Merikans are against war in the Ukraine;

2) slim, spurious, suspicious, spacious evidence of Russian invasion; and,

3) strong economic, "Summa of Rekovery."

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 00:39 | 5170088 COSMOS
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They should of sent the letter to AIPAC

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/09/01/friends-israel

 

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 01:32 | 5170162 El Vaquero
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Oddly enough, this gives me some hope for the past.  It shows that, at one point, there were players who stood for some of the things that myself and many others felt were good about this country. 

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 03:56 | 5170273 COSMOS
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Bankers and the IMF make money from wars and the misery of people.  All so that the select few can have their seaside villas with open concept kitchens and granite countertops, while the common folk get a granite marker for their graves if they are lucky.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 04:05 | 5170279 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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War is old men talking and young men dying.

Categorically refuse to have any part of it.

 

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 09:48 | 5170755 DavidC
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Drunk In Church,
I don't why you got down ticked so many times! Hilarious!

DavidC

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 23:02 | 5169898 TheReplacement
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Can we trade this one and get the goat dude back?

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 23:55 | 5170001 QQQBall
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Will they all be moving to Russia via Hong Kong?

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 00:17 | 5170050 MontgomeryScott
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No, you treasonous fuck.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 08:31 | 5170493 Keyser
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Perhaps you should look up the definition of treason as you seem to be confused... No wonder with the indoctrination you Merkans go through since birth... 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 22:15 | 5169748 Anusocracy
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I certainly hope Russia cheated on all its arms control treaties.

Judging by all the pathological liars here, I'm sure the US has.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 01:38 | 5170167 El Vaquero
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But probably only where they think it counts.  I wouldn't be surprised if we stuck to all of the various START treaties, because we could still annhilate the world while adhearing to them.  OTOH, Russia has made many of its newer ICBMs and SLBMs such that they could be made to violate those treaties in a hurry while not actually deploying them in a way that violates them, or so we're told.  They've built them with the potential to MIRV the fuck out of them, while not actually deploying them with more warheads than the treaties allow. 

 

Speaking of, since ZH is doing a lot of geopolitics these days, it might be worth it for the Tylers to compile all that exists in the public domain on Russia's current nuclear arsenal.  Such a compilation wouldn't be 100% accurate, but as with all things involving nuclear warheads, close is good enough.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 22:16 | 5169759 BraveSirRobin
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Sorry, but which one is "Ex-NSA" director? They all look to be a bunch of pretty junior guys to me, and some have been out of the loop for decades. 

This link takes you to a link of all former, that is "Ex" directors of the NSA: https://www.nsa.gov/about/leadership/former_directors.shtml

All directors of the NSA have held three star general officer or flag officer rank. None of the guys on this letter came close. The head line to this article is, in fact, false. 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 23:20 | 5169933 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Nice attempt at subterfuge via conflation, Brave Sir Robin.

"William Binney, former Technical Director, World Geopolitical & Military Analysis, NSA"

Perhaps you should try a different logical fallacy. Maybe you'll have better luck.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 23:31 | 5169952 TheReplacement
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The top dog at the NSA is called the Director of.  The headline is misleading.  We are on the same side here but facts are facts.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 00:27 | 5170070 UGrev
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Well technically he is "A" director. Perhaps not "THE" director, but the article title doesn't specifcy that which is ambiguously assumed by people reading it. Semantics aside, who cares.. this letter has the potential to be a thorn at worst; at best, a spear in the side of this administration. 

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 06:44 | 5170357 Flagit
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Who exactly is he writing the letter for?

Merkle knows whats up, and has since the beginning. Its not like she will look up from the letter and say "Holy Shit!".

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 08:43 | 5170527 StupidEarthlings
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+1 

Nothing gets out unless they want it too. Its a letter for the little people to chew on..to make sure we have "enemy's of the state" that will be rallied up and taken away.

 

Seems suspicious to me. .but maybe im just paranoid. 

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 08:46 | 5170540 g speed
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Its so people know she knows--

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 10:05 | 5170833 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Ding ding ding. We got a winner. It is not like any of these people really want to solve problems or doing anything new besides the usual modus operandi at the end of the day. It is just about taking away their cover for their actions after everything goes bad.

 

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 02:13 | 5170196 acetinker
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And this means what, exactly?  Niether your greenie nor your junk, but do you expect that the leaders of these esteemed organizations are not asshole deep in the obfuscation of the actual goals of said organizations?

Headlines be damned!  Whatever it takes to get eyeballs on even a glimmer of truth is a worthwhile effort.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 00:26 | 5170067 BraveSirRobin
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You truly are a moron. 

"Technical Director, World Geopolitical & Military Analysis, NSA" is not the director of the NSA, who have always been 3 star general and flag officers of the US military.

William Binney was essentially the guy who developed and administered computer networks for a directorate in the NSA. He was never Senior Executive Service. I think the highest paygrade he achieved was GS-14, which is small potatos in DC. He never ran any directorate, division or branch within NSA. He has not been in the loop at NSA for 13 years, and really has no clue what he is talking about at this point. No one disconeected from an organization for 13 years, especially one as compartmentalized and secretative as the NSA, possible could. 

Again, the headline of the article is blatantly factually incorrect, and so the rest of the article's contents should be treated with great suspicion. 

I am not a friend of the NSA. I think their spying on US citizens without warrant is uncontitutional and people there need to be fired and/or sent to jail, starting with Clapper who lied to congress. But facts are facts, and you do your cause no service by just making shit up.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 00:38 | 5170079 caustixoid
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your question: "but which one is "Ex-NSA" director?"

your answer: "I think the highest paygrade he achieved was GS-14...he has not been in the loop at NSA for 13 years".

The gentleman knows more than he lets on methinks


Tue, 09/02/2014 - 02:14 | 5170198 acetinker
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This is no gentleman, caustix.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 08:25 | 5170487 long-shorty
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BraveSirRobin is a statist whore! Or else just a dude who can use Google to search the web and find readily available facts. Either way, we'd better burn him at the stake just to be sure!

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 08:48 | 5170549 g speed
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prima facie evidence suggests he is the worst sort--by all means burn him--

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 23:46 | 5174285 acetinker
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Prima facie evidence suggests we should burn you as well. As you hoist your petard, know that there are lots of fuckers like me, and we're all over this world.  You smug fuckers think you own the world?  Think again.  Your days are numbered in tens, not thousands.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 00:38 | 5170082 UGrev
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Credit where credit is due: 

 

Binney was a Russia specialist and worked in the operations side of intelligence, starting as an analyst and ending as Technical Director prior to becoming a geopolitical world Technical Director. In the 1990s, -Wikipedia

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 00:39 | 5170084 BraveSirRobin
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Oh, BTW, his last job at NSA was as "Technical Lead," which looks to me like a demotion. My take is he is disgruntled. Perhaps it is because he did not like what he saw there and tried to stop it, but he resigned one month after 9/11, before the NSA started all this domestic spying crap. In the end, it may not really matter what his motives are, but you do have to take everything he claims with a grain of salt and try to verify all. His self-puffery does not lend him credence, however. Having said that, trust no one, and do not swallow anyone's tripe just because of a personal inclination or bias, and facts really are facts. Ignore them at your own peril.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 01:20 | 5170142 TeethVillage88s
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BraveSirRobin;

I guess you are a Patriarch and we should believe you and whatever political or interest groups you are exposed to??

So, you didn't see his videos. You don't know his public story. You have no links to share in what he said or his interviews? What you didn't work professionally and were expected to be specific, use logic, reference philosophy?

- The very fact that they didn't prosecute him for the things he was saying seems 51% in his advantage that he is a smart guy that outsmarted the Federal Government, DOJ, and the FBI.

But maybe that is too specific for you since it draws readers to look for videos and to read documents(dangerous).

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 10:29 | 5170936 BraveSirRobin
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wow - the post claims he is an ex-Director of NSA, which is simply untrue, period. Why can you not handle the truth? Please examine that. 

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 03:24 | 5170248 X-defiler
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BraveSirRobin

Eat a Dick you facking stooge!

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 08:35 | 5170505 Keyser
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BSR is yet another disinformation stooge as TPTB understand the strength of ZH and attempt to steer / difuse topics through ploys such as this... Ignore the obvious trolls and above all, love everyone... It's why we are here... 

 

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 10:00 | 5170808 Abaco
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Since you made the blatantly false assertion that NSA didn't start domestic spying until after 9/11 I conclude thatr you are a statist bootlicker, troll, and treasonaous bastard.  Is your name Michael Hayden?

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 00:47 | 5170101 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Drivel from Brave Sir Robin:

is not the director of the NSA

It doesn't say the director of the NSA, now does it?

He certainly worked at the NSA, though, as a director. You are the one attempting to conflate that with Big Poppa Head of NSA Starfleet Command.

So why do you persist in your attempts at conflation? This logical fallacy has failed you. Better to try a different one.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 02:14 | 5170197 FreedomGuy
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What about a counter conspiracy conspiracy? What if Binney is actually Russian, then or now? He gets action delayed in Germany and Europe as part of disinformation campaign. It buys Putin more time till it's a fait accompli?

Come on! Let's widen the conspiracy possibilities!

If an actual Russian stands in a city with the Russian flag atop the local capitol would that be enough evidence?

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 11:06 | 5170249 X-defiler
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And the symantics matter because....why? Go fack your mother you Isreali dick sucker, BraveSirRobin

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 23:31 | 5174252 FreedomGuy
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Yeah, that's about the level of response I expected, unfortunately. You know, it's not only the Leftists that are lemmings anymore. The space for analysis and rational thought or debate grows ever smaller. Your type will end up with the exact society you purport to oppose.

 

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 00:31 | 5170104 Plato's Law
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Let's get this straight.  No article precedes "director" in the headline.  If the article "the" preceded "director" it would be false, but it doesn't so it's not. 

My ex-employer had dozens of Chiefs of several different levels, including one in particular who was "COD," "CD1," or "Chief of Department."  It's false to claim the dozens of Chiefs not COD are not each a Chief. 

Exactly how is a Technical Director not a Director?

I agree it's more accurate if the Title included the modifyer "Technical" in front of Director but it's not false to omit the word.

I presume he answered directly to The Director or only one person removed.

Brave Sir Robin is not very smart, a Government sponsored troll, or both.   

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 11:12 | 5171001 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Where to start a director of any group at a 3 letter agency should be at least a grade 15 or more likely SES on the pay scale. Unless I am mistaken there are no SES pay grade employees who aren't in management as directors of some sort.

Here is a chart of equivalent military rank and pay scales along with the equivalent pay scale and rank for a civilian.

http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/comparison.htm

Your civilian pay grade determines your rank when dealing working with the military within the DOD. An E6 for example would have to treat a GS11 for example as lieutenant as far as rank and command goes.

There are a lot of layers of directors in agencies like the NSA.

You may have one director who is the head of all SIGINT for example then directors (lower SES pay scales) of individual groups under SIGINT. Then you have upper management directors above the head of all SIGINT. The organizational structure is the organizational structure regardless. It has to be uniform and modular to be able to integrate all these sub 3 letter agencies under any one department to function in an orderly fashion.

 Binney at a minimum would have been either an equivalent Captain or Lower Rear Admiral/Brigadier General(other services equivalent) in rank.

That rank is a 1 star general....

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 02:08 | 5170193 Godspeed You-Se...
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Got off my lazy ass and logged in just to +1 this. 

 

Plenty (and plenty more) have eyes open. All is not lost 

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 07:05 | 5170366 GetZeeGold
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Got off my lazy ass

 

WE GOT ONE!

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 02:22 | 5170206 Reptil
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Ummmm all true, completely agree, but you've missed one tiny aspect of this:
It's going to be hard to be self reliant when there's 800 kiloton Topol ICBMs raining down.

Here's another MUST READ: a respected academic and former journalist says it as it is..
http://www.unz.com/article/the-ukraine-corrupted-journalism-and-the-atla...

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 07:58 | 5170449 photonsoflight
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Excellent post. I've been telling people these very things for years now. They use to laugh at me, not so much now. Now they ask me how they can prepare for the "fall". Keep it up.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 21:56 | 5169696 philipat
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"I'd stay away from nailguns if I were them"

....and keep a very close eye on their car brakes and electronics, which seemsd to be the flavour of the week.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 22:16 | 5169757 COSMOS
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Ride a horse, stay away from cars.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 23:52 | 5169997 conscious being
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No small planes ... scratch that. No large or small planes.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 00:11 | 5170039 jeff montanye
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and try to avoid gunshots to the head.  did you know that in 1977 seven senior fbi officials died suspiciously right before they were to testify to the house select committee on assassinations?

these guys have been at it for a long time and they don't take prisoners.

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:Fifty_Years_of_the_Deep_State

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 01:45 | 5170177 El Vaquero
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Horses have a mind of their own and can be spooked.  Drive an older car that you maintain yourself.  Without the expensive diagnostic equipment or specality tools, t's difficult to do more than an oil change and maybe a spark plug change on the new cars anyway, due to everything being integrated.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 07:02 | 5170365 omniversling
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stripped diesel 4x4, oldskool, no engine management/computer/chips, snorkel, diff locks, winch, barwork, roofrack, solar panel. ready.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 22:25 | 5169794 Ignatius
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Binney has signed the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth petition for a new investigation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGUXFuD4UU0

 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 23:03 | 5169900 TeamDepends
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Molten pools of metal for weeks = not jet fuel accellerant.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 03:29 | 5170251 Wile-E-Coyote
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Umm yes Thermite a great way to undermine a steel structure without explosives.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3ZkoNF2ybg&feature=player_detailpage

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 07:19 | 5170377 drdolittle
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@Herd-Man I hope you're right about the army telling tptb to fuck off. This article is great news

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 21:49 | 5169668 666
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The EU and USSA want war. They know their economies are tanking with no hope of reviving them (yes, QE is a total disaster and they know it), and a war would be a very convenient scapegoat to blame it all on. In the public's eye, the politicians would come out smelling like a rose, and of course they would never do any of the actual fighting themselves.

The only potential monkey wrench would be if it turned into a nuclear war. They will hide in their fallout shelters and survive, but the masses that they need to support and make them rich will be gone.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 21:59 | 5169703 swmnguy
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The US and the EU want what they thought they had, and still might get.  They want low-level guerrilla war through proxies.  They don't want open, full-on war.  They want this to take as long for Russia as Afghanistan is taking for us, and for that matter,as it did for the Russians 30 years ago.  That way maximum damage can be done to potential rivals Russia and the EU.

The EU hasn't yet figured out that the US is their enemy too, strategically.  Or if they have, they haven't figured out how to act accordingly.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 23:41 | 5169976 usednabused
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SWMN I understand you to say that the USSA has some sort of plan or idea as it is to further its goals. I assume that would be to help the average joe here. Well, the last 40 uears doesn't bear any fruit to support that conclusion. I usually value your posts and all, but this time you need to think again.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 00:03 | 5170005 conscious being
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The plan is to fight a war that enriches the MIC, disappears the books of the banksters and destroys potential geopolitical rivals. War in Europe fits the bill.

The concerns of "the average joe" are of no consequence.

Rather than ask "What's in it for me?", just be aware that murder for profit is evil that any decent person needs to oppose.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 00:28 | 5170071 MontgomeryScott
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'The EU and the USSA want war'.

After polling the 700 million or so citizens, Faux and Sky News found that only the 'important' people in the E.U. and the USSA actually WANT 'war' (all 250 or so, and only if 'war' means that their unlimited rations of whateverthefucktheywant goes up in cost in a commensory manner to their ability to pay). Since they are the only ones deemed to be 'important', the MSM has been trotting them out to push for the war.

Meanwhile; Satan; laughing; spreads his wings.

LEST WE FORGET:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGPD0ZBiMs0

It ain't frakking KANSAS anymore, Toto!

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 22:04 | 5169723 Renewable Life
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Did Edward Snowden just go mainstream or what??

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 00:15 | 5170046 wee-weed up
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I don't think Snowden has anthing to do with the conclusion here...

Which is the West needs/wants war. Period.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 00:39 | 5170087 MontgomeryScott
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You missed the point, like a child who was looking down as the sun rose on their birthday. This moment will be forever lost on you.

SNOWDEN and his (outdated) intelligence 'leaking' was the FIRST chance that this information had to go GLOBAL and VIRAL at the same time; and ALL nations (other than the CONUS) are really fucking PISSED now. The ex-NSA officers and CIA members that blazed the trail of TRUE 'opacity' before this 'Snowden' kid did are calling for restraint and reason, and YOU only see the MSM-fed side of things, 'wee-wee'.

SHIT.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 04:21 | 5170262 wee-weed up
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Gee thanks, "Daddy"... but I'm not your child.

So save your pontificating lectures for someone else who may be more timid and easier for you to browbeat.

Shit indeed! You seem to have quite a 'holier-than-thou' manner.

You may want to wait awhile and come back when you grow up and learn some respect.

To put it in more delicate language I'm sure you'll understand...

Fuck Off!

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 08:43 | 5170525 Keyser
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The 4th estate is complicit in covering up the crimes of the last two administrations and the people are finally catching on... If you feel that is secondary to the crisis, so be it, but you don't have to be a condescending prick to disagree... You forget that he who controls the message controls the minds of the people... 

 

 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 23:01 | 5169895 Things that go bump
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If, and that's a big if, they crawled out of those fallout shelters, the world they reentered would be a hard-scrabble one indeed that I don't imagine any would enjoy very much, certainly not those pampered few if that's any consolation. Life would be back to being "solitary, poor, nasty, bruitish and short." Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 23:43 | 5169981 usednabused
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excellent post! The bastards would have to fend for themselves. Utterly impossible for people of their attitudes and personalities. The good lord will surely get ahuge chuckle wayching those miserable fuckers die.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 09:17 | 5170631 chubbar
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Well, I certainly hope that is the case. I've had a theory that I've kept to myself mainly because I have absolutely no proof and it sounds pretty wacked out even to this nutjob. It goes something along these lines. The PTB have delayed the collapse long enough (using 911, etc.,) so that they could develop/refine (whatever) the means for producing (3d printers, robotics, ect) servants and ways to continue on in their opulance without the inconvenience of people who could usurp them. It's very conspiratorial and Dr Evil ish (even for me) but given all the leaks about DUMBs (deep underground military bases), technology suppressed (free energy or VERY efficient engines), ETC.,  is it possible that these bastards are THAT fucked up? Perhaps I picked the wrong year to stop sniffing glue?

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 01:01 | 5170116 Plato's Law
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Well put.  I can hardly believe TPTB allow this site to exist.

I recently thought of the following: we're in a brief deficit lull for the next 3-5 years, running only about $.5T annual.  After that all bets off, entitlements start steep upward deficit spiral with unknown untested ceiling.  If interest rates are forced upward, we're toast.   

If they wait till later to start a big war, the deficit won't really allow for it.  They'd have to tell people to starve to feed the war effort, and that won't go over well.  If they start the war now, later when "entitlements" rear their ulgy head, TPTB can force draconian cuts, which will be easier to force because the populace will be terrified because of the ongoing war.

They have a short window to start the fireworks, and fireworks they intend to burn.   

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 07:37 | 5170403 omniversling
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Assume by now that there is an algo/bot pumping out 'threat assements' on every postor here. This is one of those fenced 'free speech' zones like those now set up at demos around the 5eyed harlot countries. Joseph Applebaum spill the beans on the tech, and I'll bet there's more: search 'joseph applebaum on nsa capability'. There's a mountain of info when you look. Cut, paste and save relentlessly. Store important archive offline. Maybe one day your local community may have no net access, and those that didn't wake up and prep in time, will be more open to becoming informed about what happened, how, and why (greetings miffed micro!)...`

There is no option but to hope that rational, sustainable, decent, humanity can edge out the viscious madness that is being deliberately kaoticised on our heads by the GloBAALists, in time for us as a species to start honestly dealing with the environmental collapse that is our legacy (and thanks) to the planet that symbiotically spawned us (Fuku, chemtrails, HAARP, nano, synbio etc). Before it's too late, and only the chosen few RandAyans in their DUMBs and TR3bs (and who knows what secret narco$ funded blackbudget deepstate else) have any chance whatsoever of coming thru the other side.

35 years ago I rode a bicycle for 3 months through Morrocco, sleeping in a tent, and dealing direct with locals. It was raw, and very exciting. It was pre package-tourism, and many many desperate people trying to get (to Europe) out from under the thumb of a brutal monarchy. Political dissent was mortally dangerous. I was told by students there that a course in Political Science had suddenly and unexpectedly been offered at Rabat University, to the surprise of the deeply dissastisfied and interested youth. 20 or so of those who were accepted subsequently 'dissappeared'. It had been a 'filter operation'.

No fear. Peace.

 

 

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 08:27 | 5170488 Moe Howard
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I was in Morroco about the same time and prepackaged tourism was very much in evidence. I remember standing outside a walled compound in Marrakesh full of European tourists for example. I also remember visiting the ski lodge area of the Atlas mountains - another prepackaged tourist destination. Perhaps you never ventured near such places? Of course, it was a hassle walking the streets near the tourist areas because the Morrocans would be like flies on shit asking to purchase your watch, your suitcase, you name it. Why? There were huge import taxes on manufactured goods. I remember seeing Tupperware in a shop window downtown Casablanca displayed like luxury goods - with prices to match. I had a plastic "pilots suitcase" I bought at Sears for $10 that shopowners were constantly trying to buy from me. The first time I was in a shop just after arriving in Tangiers, a leather goods shop, and one of the guys hanging around felt the Sears special and mutter the word "plastique". I thought they were making fun of me and my cheap suitcase until they offered to trade for any leather suitcase in the shop.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 18:07 | 5173211 omniversling
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Concur. I used a broad brush. Certainly there would have been, somewhere, but my route was designed to avoid it totally, so didn't encounter it. However, I also remember two overweight American women (accents and styling) in undersized mod-a-gogo stretch elastic pants and sleeveless plunging lycra tops being MOBBED by flesh starved Morrocan men, most of whom were feverishly trying not to grope them, as the husbands self-consiously attempted to ignore the threat, and carry on with the standard US package tourist assumption of confidence that they had total right to be there, deep in the souk, dressed in anything they liked irrespective of the sensibilities of the locals. Not singling out US package tourists (and have seen topless Euro babes offending local Greeks in their remote islands, and Aussies/Brits/Kiwis/Dutch/Germans drunkenly offending in many countries), but they had a reputation for being loud, brash and insensitve, and carrying on like they owned the place. Regretablly it's now expanded to US foreign policy.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 09:23 | 5170649 chubbar
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I guess the only quibble I have with your thought process is the idea that they give a rat's ass how much they print. A fucking .5T deficit is childs play for these fuckers. Entitlements kicking in are not a factor in their plans but I think you are correct in that they can't let too much time pass before they act to cover up the true reason for a collapse.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 07:37 | 5170426 lovemesomeZH
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http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/09/02/4322751/nato-may-create-quick-strike-force.html

 

NATO may create quick-strike force over Ukraine crisis
Tue, 09/02/2014 - 08:44 | 5170530 Keyser
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And they will have their collective asses handed to them... NATO does not havel a tactical fighting force... 

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 18:17 | 5173248 omniversling
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All these skirmishes that NATO gets involved in, fighting totally OUT OF THE THEATRE it was 'publically' conceived for (North Atlantic), are groundlines for a global miiitary, IMO. See it through this prism, and soon Keyser, they will. Systems integration, port familiarisation, command threading etc. Q is: will it become global directly as the NeoMerc Corporate Defence Force, or are we going to have to go through the Oceania/Eurasia/Eastasia theatre before that. Or is it being set up for the Earth based shooting war with 1/ETs or 2/Remnant ex-citizens.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 08:25 | 5170485 XuscitizenSweden
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Besides all this 'old news'...... the swedish SVT is reporting that 1 hour ago that Porky, Yat-the Rat & their facists-friends have LOST !!!!!!!

SVT is quoting Nato generals concluded this last week. From a Der Spiegel story today whick I can't find.

Here's the link to the SVT-Headline story. Use Bing translate instead of gooooooogleee. Bing's better.  http://www.svt.se/nyheter/varlden/nato-strateger-ser-redan-ukraina-som-forlorare

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 22:51 | 5169869 Freddie
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Some people in America has some honor left. 

General Betrayus is a piece of shit and obviously was not involved.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 21:06 | 5169512 HomeBrewPrepper
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Eh, eh you didn't write that letter

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 21:10 | 5169526 SteveNYC
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Take a read as to how the Russian "invasion" and the "all out war", the "greatest since World War II", is being portrayed in Australian press:

http://www.news.com.au/world/vladimir-putin-talks-nuclear-power-as-he-tells-the-west-to-back-off-over-ukraine/story-fndir2ev-1227044661262

The height of irresponsibility.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 21:47 | 5169658 Nassim
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The Australian public is being duped on a massive scale by their media. To me, in Melbourne, it looks as though they would love to have a repeat of Gallipol - when thousands of Australian soldiers were massacred because of British ineptitude. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallipoli_Campaign

My father and his brothers, in Cairo during WW2, witnessed Australian soldiers beating up British officers and soldiers. They more or less took over Cairo because of their frustration with British incompetence. You won't find much about it in the history books, but it did happen.

Some things never change.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 21:53 | 5169682 Tabarnaque
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Canadian public is being dupe too on a massive scale. Anti-Russian propaganda is almost non-stop in all mass media; press, tv radio.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 01:28 | 5170152 angel_of_joy
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Yeah, but the Canadians don't matter as over 20% of them are foreign born (most of those being Chinese & Indians). And, since it's the Conservatives who are beating the drums of war, you can safely subtract all native Quebequers from the rest. All in all, at least one third of the Canadian population doesn't pay ANY attention to the noises coming from Ottawa. Besides, it looks quite probable that the Conservatives (currently in power for about 10 years now) will lose the federal elections scheduled next year. Nothing serious to be seen there... lots of drama, but very little substance.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 22:20 | 5169771 TheFourthStooge-ing
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The Australian public is being duped on a massive scale by their media.

Not surprising, considering that Australia is another captive US colony. The new US marine base there, ostensibly serving as a "buffer" against Chinese aggression, is really only there to serve as a reminder to Australian politicians that they had better stay in line. Otherwise, there may be consequences.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 22:59 | 5169889 Freddie
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I think it is London Red Shield then it goes through America.   The news media in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, et al has been totally manipulated for a long long time. All the western zio media is demonizing Putin.

Remember the scene in JFK where Jim Garrison meets with the black ops intel guy (played by Donald Sutherland).  He sees the JFK assasination in the news papers in NZ or AU before it happens.  Some people may not like Oliver Stone but he is pretty much against these whole evil MIC govt too.  He did his homework on JFK but left a few things out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSw9sjqYK_I

He makes that statement earlier in this scene.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 23:48 | 5169988 usednabused
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Ha, do you suppose the reason the media reports the same thing every time in every paper is due to the fact that just a few families own all the papers and all those families are zionist?

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 00:10 | 5170036 conscious being
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Are you today's tin foil hat wearing troll? Don't believe what you see. These are not the drones you are looking for.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 01:17 | 5170136 Plato's Law
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Oliver Stone's "JFK" movie is pretty accurate except for glaring omission in homage to Zionists who own Stone and all/most of Hollywood.  Stone left out that JFK told Israel they may not go nuclear, knowing it would set off a horrible arms race in the ME.

Six months after Johnson took office, Israel was a happy nuclear armed nation.  

Coincidence, not.   

Of course, JFK also intended to dismantle the 4th Estate (CIA) because he saw they were completely out of control.

Let's see JFK's enemies list:

Israel's Mossad: check

CIA: check

The Mob, headed by Judaic Meyer Lanskey: check (see the first one, Israel)

In the Mob's defense, JFK seems to be partly to blame.  Was he the only one in the world who didn't know Joe purchased IL in the vote?  About 90% of IL Teamsters are non-Catholics with strong distrust for Catholics.  Joe tells his mob buddies to order the Teamsters in IL to vote for JFK.  JFK wins IL and the election.

Then six months later Bobby tosses most of the Mob leaders in prison.  What's up with that?   

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 02:07 | 5170192 Freddie
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+1

Stone left out the punchline and had enough in there to know what was really going on.  JFK also was going after the Fed.  Remember the JFK silver dollars and I think he had silver dies and other coins. 

More recently - Stone's son who has worked with Jesse Ventura's show converts to Islam.

The Kennedys made lots of enemies and the worst mistake was taking zio-LBJ in their tent.  Meyer Lansky made his early money importing heroin into the uSA via Mexico.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 11:02 | 5171095 viahj
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Freddie talking about a Hollywood movie and it's relevance!  holy shit, TEOTW is fast approaching.  :-)

ps- I have one of the $5 silver certificates, the last real USD.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 23:09 | 5169908 Nexus789
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Can't see what Gallipoli has to do with the degenerate West in 2014 baiting and insulting the Russian people - except your bigotry. No Australians have been called up, although I suspect that Tony 'the Bishop' Abbott would like people to die for him.  

The proposed and highly stupid 'forward' NATO force will be European and largely British. So if anyone is going to get their arse handed to them it will be them. 

 

By the way if you read in more detail over 20,000 British soldiers were also 'massacred' during the same Gallipoli campaign. This included unknown thousands of Turks and over 10,000 French. When the Murdoch, sorry, Australian media reinforces the mythology of nation through Gallipoli it’s as if no one else except Australians were there. Even the enemy does not get a mention.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 23:52 | 5169996 usednabused
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Good points man, but this time things may be different. If losses mount for the brits and the eu Im sure uncle sucker will send the boys in. Then the fun may start...

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 08:01 | 5170454 omniversling
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USS Australia under the firm hand Admiralty of Bishop Abbot will smack for NATO anywhere in the world that the WZC instructs it. 

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/tony-abbott-lay...

Battlehardening our troops and integrating our (US) weapons systems with the US in combat is necessary to counter the commie threat from above us. All the way to China. We even have a ripper livefire playtime going on right now with all those hunky marines that want to lick aussie muff in Darwin:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-27/u-s-top-guns-in-darwin-dog-figh...

http://www.executivegov.com/2014/08/report-us-australia-to-ink-25-year-m...

Oh what's this? The commies want to play too? Confused? (clue: look thru the PRISM of a global army. to fight?1/ETs 2/'the people')

http://thediplomat.com/2014/07/china-to-join-military-exercises-in-austr...

Moar woar for the MISC.

Peace

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 21:50 | 5169672 Tabarnaque
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All out war propaganda in Western Prestitute should truly worry all of us. It increasingly looks like the fascist neocons in wdc and their banksters want an open war with Russia. I hope sanity will prevail and Europeans will be smart enough to walk away from that nonsense.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 22:54 | 5169876 PLira
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I guess that those preppers that have bunkers 26 feet underground may have had a point. Dunno if they will ultimately live this out but are in much better shape than those of us that have been butt hurt over them.

Touch'e preppers, you nutty fuckers may be right.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 23:55 | 5170003 usednabused
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Right for what reason? To live a few more miserable fucking days? lol. Have at it assholes. Last I checked they didnt have mansions built on Mars or the Moon did they? And for sure as hell, if there;s any life left on the planet when they come rolling out of their caves that life will cut the heads off every one of those bastards and put it on a pike.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 00:39 | 5170089 Kirk2NCC1701
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And an "overpriced" piece of property in S.Am. suddenly isn't so overpriced if this comes to pass.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 08:05 | 5170461 omniversling
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Pointless purchase Cap'n. Revised calculations of Nuke Winter for all (long snowshoes and Mars Bars):

http://www.corbettreport.com/interview-926-steven-starr-describes-nuclea...

Peace

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 22:59 | 5169886 disabledvet
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It's simply false to state that this Administration has no military experience. The irony that these are a bunch of Vietnam vets should be lost on no one. Apparently it was lost in these authors however. I could understand if these "back benchers" were to claim a lack of knowledge of the Middle East...but everyone of these folks save the President is a veteran of the Cold War and it's aftermath. They didn't just live that history...all of them were
Instrumental in creating it.

Lot of moving parts here with the hardest reaction indeed saying "nyet" to all this. Without explicitly stating the "nyet" option and saying "we have no plan" only inflames the situation.

There is a point of "no rhetoric return"...where the words used to justify an exit strategy instead make us look weak and cause the real thing to break out. Seems to me "we're there" actually.

Even in nature animals assume a threatening pose...only humans just start attacking then add on ye olde "there's more where that came from phucker" rejoinder.

The Art of Diplomacy revolves around creation a dialogue that precludes said rejoinder. I don't even know why I bother talking about...everyone I might just wants war, deprivation and death...OF EVERYBODY.

I mean "let's gin up voting blocs" as a solution? This sounds like the recipe for a total catastrophe to me.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 01:39 | 5170170 angel_of_joy
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There won't be any war. They don't have people ready to fight such a war, especially with a country like Russia. Even the dumbed down Europeans still remember that Russia was the graveyard for 2 European empires. Then it's the Americans who lost over 4000 people fighting some towel heads in the easiest terrain possible. Imagine going to offensive in North Dakota sometime in January, and having to march all the way to the Hudson Bay (for some sort of victory). That can give you an approximate idea about what a Russian war would start to feel like. Or, better yet, ask a German veteran of WWII (preferably one that made it out of Stalingrad...)

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 06:37 | 5170350 rvborgh
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If the Russians keep this up... yes there will be a war... at least between Ukraine and Russia.  i don't know how many of you actually keep in touch with Ukrainians on a daily basis... but it seems to me that they will fight.  

The seperatists have basically turned those two cities into hellholes.  The locals don't even want them there anymore (pillaging, theft, and general breakdown of law and order).

You can read what a Russian journalist himself says about it:

http://www.znak.com/moscow/articles/25-08-19-49/102823

PS: they were so suspicious... they arrested him!

btw, its hard for me to believe that people do not believe that Russian units are operating in Ukraine, when Ukraine just sent some captured paratroopers back.  Back when Putin was denying everything about green men, i had a friend in Sevastopol (father in Russian Navy) who was in a place to know... tell me point blank that they were Russian troops.  Meanwhile the news organizations here in the West seemed clueless.  Of course Putin was lying through his teeth.

Going by half the comments here, most folks on here seem just about as conspiratorial in belief as the Russian folks that hang out on the Anti-Maydan discussion groups.  No matter what kind of problem there is... the root cause (in their minds) always backtracks to something that the USA has done to them and a conspiracy will be invented to make it so.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 11:39 | 5171273 angel_of_joy
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The Ukies had their asses handed to them by a ragtag of nobodies. Even if you assume that 1000 or 1500 Russians fought there, they were able to totally destroy the Ukie frontline and push them back while inflicting huge losses. And, they did that with no air support. Now, imagine that Russians would really send their army in... it would all be finished in no time. But the Russians are smarter than that, they just let the Ukies kill each other until Kiew calls it quits. No amount of blaberring in Kiev will change the facts on the ground. That turkey is done... stick a fork in it ! 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 21:21 | 5169562 junction
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Yes, Mr. Binney, great that you want to stop a shooting war but more to the concern of most Americans:  Was the NSA involved in the hacking of the accounts of Jennifer Lawrence, Kate Upton and other Hollywood stars with iCloud accounts? Sure sounds like something those peeping toms in the NSA would do in between sending "confidential informant" tips to the police to get people arrested illegally.  Well, Binney, we are waiting for an answer.  And don't answer that doorbell! Get off the grid!

 

 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 21:43 | 5169638 Herd Redirectio...
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Well, a common trend in this whole 'nude celeb leaks' has been the attempt to cash in... 

And I can only imagine teen boys have been clicking every link available on the internet in the last 48 hours, so the spread of trojans/viruses must be going at a very good click as well.  Then again, do they even need trojans, when they have full surveillance and hardware backdoors?

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 00:12 | 5170044 conscious being
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Mindless MSM redirect.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 07:08 | 5170371 GetZeeGold
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Will Joan Rivers pull through? That's the real important question here.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 21:26 | 5169581 FightingtheFed
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But the Jews that run DC and NYC today want War with Russia so that their Federal Reserve will not be blamed for the coming economic collapse... Besides they hate Russia and always have..

They are the real Nation Wreckers!

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 22:17 | 5169750 TahoeBilly2012
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No, they used to run Russia (Bolshviks) but they lost complete control when nationlist Putin took over. The serpentines will stop at nothing. Who listens to them and who helps them is pathetic and disgusting.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 23:27 | 5169946 reader2010
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History says it was Stalin drove those high-level joos out of jobs. 

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 00:16 | 5170048 conscious being
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So you say, but it was Yeltsin and the IMF that invited them back.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 21:48 | 5169662 BandGap
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Think about it for a second. these people did this because they know something we do not. And they are taking drastic action.

Now, what might they be aware of that we do not know? It is worse than we can imagine. And you only do things like this once the machine has been started, not when they are thinking about starting the machine. I fear things have been set in motion. What I see day to day only confirms this. It is a very big deal if they try to cut Russia out of SWIFT. Very big.

 

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 00:03 | 5170019 TheReplacement
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I imagine Russia has nukes.  How much worse can it get?

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 11:44 | 5171298 angel_of_joy
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Yeah, this reminds me that that Hitler fellow had plenty of "secret weapons". Used to boast about them too... alot ! Didn't seem to help.
Wars a won by people on the ground ! Do you have the people to fight in Russia ??

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 18:36 | 5173307 omniversling
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In the old days maybe. We're in the technocrazy now. Drones, bots, DEW, HAARP etc. I dont think there were that many 'allied' people on the ground during Dresden, and the 'Dunkirk' extravaganza will never be needed again IMO. Hitler's 'secret weapons' were highly advanced toward the end of his reign. Doodlebugs were falling on London and V2 was good to go, the almost  Messerschitt jet would have carved up Spitfires and Mustangs, and heavy water for their nuclear programme was made. Other deep tech (for the era) was taken to the US under Operation Paperclip, and included the tech and technicians who got NASA off the ground. Literally. 

German Messerschmitt ME-262 Jet Plane from World War Two: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9yTAp0__Ig

German Abomb WW2: http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/the-third-reich-how-close-wa...

The Third Reich's Flying Saucers: http://www.unrealaircraft.com/wings/german_discs.php  Weird Wings - 

Operation Paperclip - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Operation Paperclip- The CIA, NASA & The Third Reich - YouTube

Peace


Mon, 09/01/2014 - 21:56 | 5169698 williambanzai7
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Mon, 09/01/2014 - 22:23 | 5169762 Atomizer
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That resembles Michelle Obama's new school nutritional food packaging apparatus. 

Edit: WB7, you are very clever. Never quit your day job. That was fucking brilliant. 

 

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 07:27 | 5170404 GetZeeGold
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Tell Michelle this crap is low grade dog food.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 22:49 | 5169864 bid the soldier...
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If the condom fits, you must acquit.

 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 23:40 | 5169975 ParkAveFlasher
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He's been carrying that thing in his pocket since 1991.

BTW, ISIS is a numerological cross reference, I = 9th letter, S = 19th letter, that points to 9/19 as the next false flag or breaking point.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 11:42 | 5171290 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Couple of what I would call numerologically dangerous days next month. Doesn't mean something will happen of major substance but they are days to pay a little more attention to. The bottom line this stuff is all people driven, they just choose numerology that has significant symbolism to whatever idoltry they worship.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 07:30 | 5170413 Perfecthedge
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That weapon killed millions of unborn humans...

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 07:38 | 5170427 GetZeeGold
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Half humans.......I'd prefer the phrase potential humans.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 08:31 | 5170496 omniversling
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'Safe Slaughter'

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 21:57 | 5169699 rubiconsolutions
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Nice letter. Too bad that vast majority of these people wait until they are retired to speak out rather than when they were in a position to actually do something about tyrannical practices. 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 22:17 | 5169752 TahoeBilly2012
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Banzai who got "fucked"?

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 23:18 | 5169927 Ignorance is bliss
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The American sheeple

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 00:46 | 5170098 TeethVillage88s
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Mr. Colon is Military... So the Charge is inflated a bit to Sodomy.

- We just don't know from the picture if the Military was doing the Sodomy or if the charge was against someone else
- One Clue is that A Military Enlistment is Indentured Servitude, for real, you lose more than just rights, people with power get to play with your life as if they were Royalty, and you will never know who is playing with your life from what low level or very high level like the Presidency or from the Banker Level...

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 00:38 | 5170081 TeethVillage88s
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cifo;

These guys (and girls) put the "Intelligence" back in Intelligence.

I am familiar with a couple of these people... they are smarter than me and wish their type was more responsible for our US Agencies. Political appointees abound in Federal Government. Networking is primary in our military, in our intelligence, and in other government agencies. This creates favoritism and "power & Loyalty"... which is often protested with grievances filed against supervisors and others.

- Hat Tip to these Intelligence guys for figuring out how to stand against the corruption
- Hat Tip to all US Watchdogs and Watch Groups
- Honorable Mention to Whistleblowers... who are so numerous that we can't mention them all without missing some of them

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