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What It's All About: Russia, China Begin Construction Of World's Largest Gas Pipeline

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If after months of Eurasian axis formation, one still hasn't realized why in the grand game over Ukraine supremacy - not to mention superpower geopolitics - Europe, and the West, has zero leverage, while Russia has all the trump cards, then today's latest development in Chinese-Russian cooperation should make it abundantly clear.

Overnight, following a grand ceremony in the Siberian city of Yakutsk, Russia and China officially began the construction of a new gas pipeline linking the countries. The bottom line to Russia - nearly half a trillion after China's CNPC agreed to buy $400bn in gas from Russia's Gazprom back in May. In return, Russia will ship 38 billion cubic meters (bcm) of gas annually over a period of 30 years. The 3,968 km pipeline linking gas fields in eastern Siberia to China will be the world's largest fuel network in the world.

As BBC reports, "the deal will lessen Russia's dependence on European buyers, who have imposed economic sanctions because of the crisis in Ukraine." That is not news and has been known for months ever since the long-anticipated Holy Grail deal was signed in May. More importantly, as Zero Hedge reported last week, one awaits as the invoices become increasingly less denominated in USD, and more in CNY or RUB. Most importantly, and confirming the significance of Russia's pivot away from Europe, which ultimately can have Qatar's gas it so very desires, irrelevant how many thousands of innocent people have to die, the construction ceremony was attended by Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese Vice-Premier Zhang Gaoli.

China will start work on the construction of its side of the pipeline in the first half of 2015, Mr Zhang said.

 

The first gas will be pumped from Siberia to north-east China in early 2019.

 

Over the past 10 years, China has used other gas suppliers. Turkmenistan is now China's largest foreign gas supplier. Last year, it started importing piped natural gas from Myanmar.

Increasingly it appears that China will defer to Russia when it comes to cementing bilateral commodity deals, especially if it means further distancing both sides from what has emerged as a natural foe to both aspirational nations: the United States.

Here is what Putin had to say about the latest gas pipeline, soon to be the world's largest, during the groundbreaking ceremony outside the city of Yakutsh, via RT: "The new gas branch will significantly strengthen the economic cooperation with countries in the Asia-Pacific region and above all - our key partner China."

Once we create a gas pipeline network here in the Far East and Siberia, we will be able to connect European pipeline system to the East. And this, in terms of export opportunities and expanding Russia’s ‘gasification’, is very beneficial. Depending on the situation in world markets, we can more effectively implement gas flows- either more to the West or to the East,” Putin told students at North-Eastern Federal University earlier on Monday.

More:

 Both President Putin and Vice Premier Zhang Gaoli signed the freshly-welded pipeline in a time-honored Russian tradition. The 'Power of Siberia' was welded together by workers from Chayanda gas field, overseen by CEO Aleksey Miller.

 

"Gazprom is always a reliable supplier of gas to its customers - which also applies to the ‘Power of Siberia," Miller said.

 

The 3,968 km pipeline linking gas fields in eastern Siberia to China will be the world's largest fuel network in the world. Both Putin and Vice Premier Zhang Gaoli have called the project the world’s largest construction project, as investment from both countries will be more than $70 billion.

 

“The gas pipeline ‘Power of Siberia’ will increase energy security and ensure Russia’s ability to fulfill export obligations,” Putin said in the opening remarks.

 

Starting in 2019, Power of Siberia will pump gas from Siberia to China’s populous northeast region as well as to Russia’s Far East. The Chinese side will start the construction of its part of the pipeline in the first half of 2015, the Vice Premier of China said.

 

Last year, China consumed about 170 billion cubic meters of natural gas and expects to consume 420 billion cubic meters per year by 2020. Europe still remains Russia’s largest energy market, buying more than 160 billion meters of Russian natural gas in 2013.

So while the west is no longer able to find any growth opportunities, with the marginal free cash flow dollar increasingly going in stock buybacks, Russia has no such problems: running from the Chayanda gas field in the Republic of Yakutia, the cost of construction is estimated at more than $20 billion (770 billion rubles), which includes other investment in the region of $7.5 billion (283 billion rubles). Russia’s largest steel pipeline manufacturer, TMK, will provide materials for the project.

The gas pipeline will become a common transit center for gas production centers in the Yakutia and Irkutsk regions.

 

The first stage of the project will be to transport gas from the Chayanda deposit in Yakutia and connect to the town of Blagoveshchensk on the Chinese border. The 968 km pipeline should be completed by 2018.

 

The Chayanda field, which will begin production in 2015, is estimated to have reserves of 1.2 trillion cubic meters in gas and 93 million tons of liquid hydrocarbons. Each year the field is expected to produce up to 25 billion cubic meters of gas and at least 1.5 million tons of oil.

 

Putin also said that China can become a shareholder in the Vankor oil and gas fields in the Krasnoyarsk region in Eastern Siberia. China will enter into a strategic relationship with Rosneft, Russia's largest oil company, which owns the field.

But, Obama keeps repeating Russia is isolated by the entire world... Is he once again simply, gasp, lying?

To summarize all of the above: while Europe will continue to depend on Russia for its gas imports indefinitely, Russia will no longer depend on Europe for its experts.

Finally, a video of today's festivities if only for Russia, not so much the countries which are "isolating" it...

 

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Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:16 | 5168005 ninja247
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Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:17 | 5168011 Soul Glow
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King Dollar !!!  King Dollar !!!  King Dollar !!!  King Dollar !!!  King Dollar !!!  King Dollar !!!  King Dollar !!!  King Dollar !!!  King Dollar !!!  King Dollar !!!  King Dollar !!!  King Dollar !!!  King Dollar !!!  King Dollar !!!  King Dollar !!!  

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:22 | 5168026 knukles
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Watch!
Mark my words.
The EU says no more buying Russian Debt
Russia says no more buying Russian Oil and Gas with Other Than Rubles OR Gold.

 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:29 | 5168032 Pinto Currency
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PETROGOLD.

Watch the new Shanghai Gold Exchange in the free trade zone opening on Sept 26.

Meanwhile Barry wants to know what Pooti's golf handicap is.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 14:12 | 5168220 Latina Lover
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Barry secretly dreams of playing Italian Golf with Putin, putter in the holes, balls outside.

As they say in America, when your head is in the ground (ostrich style), your ass is sticking out. 

C'mon Putin, do it for world peace, LOL.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 15:12 | 5168463 0b1knob
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" largest fuel network in the world."!

Didn't some smart guy once observe that the last stage of a civilization was giganticism?   Building THE BIGGEST THINGS EVER.  Pipelines have be beneficial in the past so a GIANT one will be even better.

Winter is coming....  Spengler says so.

Winter: Coming fissure in the world-urban civilization. Exhaustion of mental organization strength. Irreligiousness rises.

  • Religion: Materialism: Cults of science, utility, and luck. Ethical-social ideals: philosophy without mathematics, skepticism. The last mathematical thinkers. Decline of abstract thinkers, and the rise of specialized academic philosophy. Spread of the last ideas.
  • Art: End of symbolic art. All art becomes meaningless subjects of fashion.
  • Politics: Democracy, meritocracy, plutocracy, followed by caesarism and bureaucracy.

 

 

 

 


 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 15:35 | 5168539 MalteseFalcon
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Why would the Russian media report on some silly old pipeline?  I'm sure the Russian people would much rather hear about the state of gay marriage in Russian or the size of Kim Kardashian's ass.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 15:37 | 5168546 DonutBoy
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There you go with giganticism again

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 15:52 | 5168594 BurningFuld
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Kim Kardashian has an ass? I thought we had two new moons.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 16:02 | 5168617 strannick
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Chinese manufacturing, meet Russian resources.

World's most populous nation meets the world's largest.

"He who controls the world island..."

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 16:18 | 5168665 buyingsterling
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From the article: "the world's largest fuel network in the world"

said Dana Carvey as Mickey Rooney

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 17:29 | 5168875 Keyser
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2019 is a long way off... Lot's of mishaps could occur during construction... You know, spooks, jackals, boogiemen, islamic terrorists, etc... Just saying... 

 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 17:43 | 5168940 Publicus
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Petrogold won't happen for the simple reason the USA produce more gold than Russia.

 

Petrolruble on the other hand will happen as the USA can't print Ruble at all.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 19:51 | 5169322 August
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If Russia and China can avoid a major war (i.e. either with the Anglo-Zionist State, or with each other), they will inherit the mantle of World Domination from the current holders.

I'm not claiming that Sino-Russian Hegemony is going to be "better" than Anglo-Zionist Hegemony.  A Sino-Russian world-order will be inferior to what an American-led world could have been, if American elites had made different choices.  Guess the money - "dynastic money" - was just too good.....

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 22:22 | 5169778 Four chan
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some drunk's milkshake is gonna get drank.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 23:47 | 5169987 Drunk In Church
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And they'll be building that pipeline with Yankee dollars.  You can bank on it.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 17:55 | 5168999 BandGap
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Um, reminds me of the book, Red Storm Rising by Tom Clancy.

We live in very interesting times.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 00:19 | 5170053 matrix2012
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Nope, I believe the sheep en masse lustfully wanna know the size of Kim Kardashian's boobs,,,not her ass!

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 16:07 | 5168633 Anusocracy
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.

gigantism

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 18:48 | 5169149 gallistic
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0b1knob , you should have mental masturbation sessions with fellow Spenglerian fetishist, Goose Shteppin Moron.

I am sure you would both climax and ejaculate morphologies of history.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 18:56 | 5169195 SilverRhino
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Money people see pipelines.    Generals see avenues of invasion. 

Military logisticians see pre-surveyed railway / roadway beds.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 20:42 | 5169456 grunk
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WalMart sees demographics and intersctions.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 20:46 | 5169461 Wait What
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i hear Lake Baikal is beautiful this time of year.

might be time to head on out to Siberia-Mongolia to find out if it's true.

Privet moy drug!

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:36 | 5168095 Escrava Isaura
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I hate when they build pipelines without using my 401k.

Where am I gonna get income later on?

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:41 | 5168118 Renewable Life
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Unless the EU and NATO is prepared to think they can "WIN" a war against China and Russia simultaneously..........

They won't be doing shit, now saying shit, that's what we do best!

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:44 | 5168129 RiverRoad
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Should have left them planting cabbages and rice.  Pretty stupid of us.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 17:46 | 5168958 RafterManFMJ
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Da FUCK do you mean, us?!

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 18:23 | 5169085 RiverRoad
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To put a finer point on it.....Nixon and his bankster buddies.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 21:21 | 5169566 NidStyles
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Odd I don't see my name on that list... So why is it "us" if none of "us" actually took part.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:52 | 5168168 RSloane
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Won't argue with that one. They may go with a 'basket of currencies' that will include the REM and of course physical gold and silver. Russia and china both have trade agreements with South American countries [you know, those neighbors of the US that the US just keeps insulting and pissing off] which include similar baskets, of course also using the currency of whichever country the agreement is being made with.

The US should have taken up the president of Ecuador Rafeal correa's offer of  two million USD to study global relations after his plane was grounded by the US while they were searching for Snowden.

 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 15:17 | 5168467 debtor of last ...
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Clean float / freegold is a good thing. But maybe gold is for countries an cb's only. And they let us compete our asses of while looking at the phony paper price...

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 15:39 | 5168561 crazzziecanuck
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It was the Bolivian President's plane that was grounded to search for Edward Snowden.

Correa is playing host to Assange in London.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 16:34 | 5168704 tonyw
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[you know, those neighbors of the US that the US just keeps insulting and pissing off] 

it seems as though the US is pissing off nearly all countries whether neighbours or not

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 01:56 | 5170186 matrix2012
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Chinese renminbi = RMB (which is just another reference for yuan = CNY)

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 15:44 | 5168572 pkea
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putin: checkmate, USSA

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 16:05 | 5168628 LawsofPhysics
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Really want to see how South America weighs in.  They are huge exporters to the American refineries.

 

tick tock...

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:23 | 5168027 Pinto Currency
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Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:51 | 5168161 The Wizard
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Did you notice they used a petrodollar valuation to determine the size of the deal. If they are truly going to dump the petrodollar reports are going to have to show a different form of valuation.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:56 | 5168178 RSloane
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Agreed, and from what I've been reading, they are actively working on it. I believe the trade minister of china referred to the process as "weaning".

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:57 | 5168179 CCanuck
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Hey Wizard, that valuation was for your consumption not theirs.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 14:20 | 5168271 Lore
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@ Wizard: You're reading news releases published for WESTERN consumption. Local audiences couldn't care less.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 15:15 | 5168475 The Wizard
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Like duh, I realize it is for Western consumption. However, I would assume the 400bn is based upon the existing petrodollar valuation in both rubles and yuan. Bottom line is they are still using petrodollar valuation as a basis. Good comment on the weaning, though I would guess they have been trying to figure out how to wean for a good number of years. This guy appears to have some interesting insights.

http://philosophyofmetrics.com/

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 15:22 | 5168491 Winston Churchill
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Its a good site.Collins needs to read a little more Machiavelli to understand

how human nature really works.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 15:25 | 5168507 Stumpy4516
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If all the world valued every transaction in dollars but in all the world NO ONE used dollars to make the transaction, what would the dollars status be?

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 15:28 | 5168515 The Wizard
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Exactly.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 15:45 | 5168576 giggler321
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on a lighter note - that marker pen business reminds me of school; writing on the bog walls with u'r pal's. bush4clinton and all that.  

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 15:52 | 5168597 phaedrus1952
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mmm ... that's not one of them thar "tree falling in the empty woods making a sound? type questions, is it?

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 15:52 | 5168595 unnamed enemy
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in the russian news the number is reported as 770 billion rubles, no mention of dollars whatsoever. 

ehtnocentrism much?
Mon, 09/01/2014 - 17:50 | 5168973 RafterManFMJ
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Trigger word alert.

Check your privilege, White man!

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 17:52 | 5168988 Dugald
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ehtnocentrism much?

Ethno, got it? Ethno.......

What? you are so arrogant that you don't bother to check your typing?


Mon, 09/01/2014 - 15:51 | 5168596 unnamed enemy
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in the russian news the number is reported as 770 billion rubles, no mention of dollars whatsoever. 

ehtnocentrism much?
Mon, 09/01/2014 - 16:56 | 5168774 Kirk2NCC1701
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@The Wizard: "Did you notice they used a petrodollar valuation..."

No, No_Oz, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn recently.

I did however notice that the cashish won't flow till the gas does, and that's quite a ways off in the future.  WW3 could have started and finished by then.

Iran, Kazakhstan and Mongolia are also of immense interest for natural resources, but we have no leverage or Alan Hu Snackbar customers.  So we're kind a screwed.  The only thing we're good for at this point, is to raise shit and revolts everywhere else -- except at home, where the Sheep must "Remain Calm" and BTFATH.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 15:37 | 5168545 DutchR
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What is the lifespan of kings anyway..

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 15:51 | 5168599 RiverRoad
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Ten to one Obama is going for King of IS.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 17:51 | 5168983 RafterManFMJ
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Dunno...I guess it really depends on what your definition of IS IS.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 18:24 | 5169092 RiverRoad
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Formerly known as ISIS.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:20 | 5168023 SHEEPFUKKER
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Although this deal is significant on many levels, wouldn't Vlad still require China to pay him in something other than fiat? Otherwise, the it's just the same game with different teams playing no?

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:47 | 5168149 RiverRoad
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Depends on how many guns are backing your fiat.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 14:17 | 5168159 Lore
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The difference is that it's THEIRS.  NO ROCKEFELLERS;  NO "DOLLARS."

Contrast this decision with those made recently in Washington, which seems more interested in foreign putsches, MIC contracts and outright capital destruction and theft.  Even Keystone XL, which reeks to high heaven, seems mired in limbo. 

The Chinese are signing (and sticking to) contracts for all kinds of resources in Central and South America as well.  In the spirit of continuing to de-dollarise and remove unwanted intermediaries, this is another big deal -- competition for the Panama Canal: 

China's Nicaraguan Canal (HuffPo, 29-Aug)

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 01:45 | 5170181 matrix2012
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The War of Canals — BRICS Business Magazine

Panama and Nicaragua will be able to take over the most vital transit corridor in the global trade between the West and the East as early as the end of the next decade. Whether this will become reality depends on the success of the ambitious construction projects and the modernization of maritime transport canals promoted by the local authorities. Competition between them will also decide the distribution of profits derived from the transit of goods through these routes, the level of which is likely to reach $1.4 trillion by 2030.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 14:00 | 5168190 Jack Burton
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Good question. The fiat Russia gets will flow back as fiat to China in exchange for all of Russia's stores stocked full of consumer goods of every type for the Russia people. Pure capitalism at work. Indeed this is what enrages the Communist EU, which just imposed vacum clearner restrictions onto 500 million people. The Brussels Soviet is roaring mad over too much capitalism going on in the east. The USA, with a corporate state where government is an arm of Banking and large corporate interests, they too are angered that the support that keeps them going, King Dollar, is under threat when a great % of world trade uses no dollar conversions. Why, after all, should Russia and China trade nearly a trillion in gas, and be forced to give the United States a large chunck of suplus value from the deal throught the King Dollar system in which America can steal via currency manipulation and interest rate manipulation a portion of every nation's wealth, and transfer inflation to the rest of the world? I know, it is not obvious, but King Dollar has a way of forcing all the negatives of world trade back onto those who aer foced to use the dollar to do international trade. Iran for example, has struggled and been badly beaten up by America, simply by the use of King Dollar.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 14:10 | 5168223 Latina Lover
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+ 1000

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 14:32 | 5168286 Lore
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+ Another 1000

These people want to grow their real economy, while our psychopaths cook up new excuses to PRINT and TAX and BOMB. The difference in mindset would be laughable if it wasn't so stunning.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 17:53 | 5168994 RafterManFMJ
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Jack, and I don't say this often but I like you; you can come over to my house and fuck my sister.

+100

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 15:36 | 5168547 Escrava Isaura
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Jack Burton,

Not that I need to remind you:

Financialization and globalization, through credit bubble, are coming to an end.

Globalization will be replaced by bi-lateral trade agreements.

And intellectual property rights will no longer be respected.

 

We ain't seen nothing yet!

 

 

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 02:15 | 5170199 matrix2012
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"And intellectual property rights will no longer be respected."

 

Then how about both The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) and The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP)?  the DC are working hard on them at present and the IPR protections are in fact the very central theme there ;)

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 07:08 | 5170373 Escrava Isaura
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Because they protect US multinationals.

They do very litte to the small guy.

Like NAFTA.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 16:31 | 5168702 Anarchy 99
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plus a LOT more than that.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 14:26 | 5168294 luckystars
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Maybe Obama can answer the call for jobs in Fegurson by building a factory there.

Just a thought~

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 16:20 | 5168669 RiverRoad
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He better hurry up before they sign with IS.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 16:26 | 5168690 buyingsterling
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Obama couldn't build that.

Now if they want someone to come and spew nonsense, Obama is up for that. That's all he's up for. That, and little boys.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 14:32 | 5168318 FreedomGuy
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Generally, agreed Burton. What you see here in the USSR and China is real commerce, real trade and real value and true economic progress. China benefits as it badly needs power and cleaner power, too. Personally, I think they will work the fiat currencies out. Fiat currencies are not automatically bad or fake. It depends on what you do with them and what they are backed by.

Conversely, here in the West, we play with paper and pretend-money and pretend-economies. We are going more left than China and USSR and our citizens are far more compliant. Here in the West it pays far better to play with spreads and derivatives and paper far better with far less risk than making real things and providing real services.

Not convinced? Let's take a look at this pipeline deal. It was agreed to just a few months ago and Putin is there for the photo-op on real pipes being welded. Real stuff is being made. Now, let's look at the Keystone Pipeline project. I believe the study took three years and our Comrade in chief has personally put it on hold. On the little beta male leftists here cheered. So, an economy looks at this and says, "You know, it is very risky to make stuff in the USA and the West in general. You put in billions and do all your endless government paperwork and wade through the inevitable lawsuits and legal tangles...and then you still get stopped by the American Emperor using fake executive orders.". This is huge risk and potential loss. I can make the same amount of money in a week or two with a little luck trading BS paper on Wallstreet, the Chicago Exchange or even in Hong Kong with little risk and manageable regulations. Why make stuff in America? If we want to make stuff, let's go East and just trade and sell stuff in the West."

This is the modern world the absolute dumb shit arrogant collectivist welfare statists have made for us...with more to come as the know-nothing fake Constitutional professor and Nobel Peace prize winner at the top bumbles through current events and tells the IRS to audit opponents. The progressive world has arrived.

Bet on the guys who produce real stuff and real trade. They may screw up occasionally but they will win out in the long run...and real money will find it's way there.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 15:09 | 5168438 Escrava Isaura
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FreedomGuy,

You wrote: "Keystone Pipeline project. I believe the study took three years and put on hold.

FG,

Firstly, do you know how much “proved reserves” of natural gas Canada have?

58 trillion cubic feet!

However, Canada burns about 8 trillion cubic feet a year. Of that 8 TCF, about 10% comes to America.

Secondly, do you know how much natural gas would take to produce 4.5 million barrels of oil in one year, of the tar-sands of Canada?

30 Trillion Cubic Feet of natural gas in one year

Thirdly, did you know that the Keystone pipeline final destination in a Tax-free port/facility in Texas called foreign-trade zone (FTZ)?

 

And, that the Key Stone pipeline is heavily subsidized by some states and the federal government?

 

And, that the final product is to be sold overseas, instead to Americans?

 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 15:12 | 5168462 FreedomGuy
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Virtually none of the stuff you mentioned really matters. Besides, much of it is conjecture and vague uninterpreted information. Do you get it? Let's make it simple for you and others.

Here is the bottom line in Canada-USA No pipeline. No oil. No jobs. No energy. No commerce. No prosperity.

Most all the things you complain about are problems that eminate from government. Government can make hash out of any economic endeavor playing both sides of the issue.

In this article on China-Russian. Real pipeline. Real gas. Real jobs. Real energy. Real commerce. Real prosperity follows.

Take your pick.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 15:39 | 5168534 Escrava Isaura
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FreedomGuy,

Russia, as well as Saudi Arabia and Iran, are energy Superpowers. But, they are running out of oil, too.

Also, building pipelines don't generate that many jobs. And these jobs don’t last, either.

Anyway, these three nations combined should have about 200 billion barrels reserve, for the best I can tell. However, the world consumes about 30 billion a year.

US CAN NOT keep consuming about 6 billion (1/5) of the oil produced, while having 1/20 of the world population.

We, Americans, need to start changing our habits….. NOW!

 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 16:12 | 5168644 robobbob
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you're still missing the point.

its not the amount of reserves or consumption.

its what there're being used for.

amerika and the west turn real resources into fiat junk

russia and the east are turning it into real things.

and yes, some of the real things you can create is more efficient tech and products.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 22:14 | 5169747 FreedomGuy
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That is it, robo.

I will add that the West is even in the business of stopping resource production. Wealth is the application of labor and ingenuity to resources. Oil from the ground is virtually worthless. However, refine it and it runs all of modern life and even may get us to new planets.

Playing with paper and trading notionals (including carbon credits) will ultimately fail. Producing a great cup of coffee, a cell phone, an antibiotic or even psych counseling produce real wealth and a better life. America is shutting itself down little by little and telling all of us it is good for us.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 16:19 | 5168663 Lea
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Escrava, while you're right about America having to change its habits pronto, where would you start? What it would require is no less than a total re-building of the cities along sensible urban lines (piling people on top of each other like in European cities, and forgetting about gardens in urban areas). Or, conversely, market alternative fuel cars on a mass scale.

These cars would need to be cheap, which I'm not sure they are at the moment. And the oil producers won't like it, so I guess it's a stalemate, for the moment at least. Who said capitalism is progress? It can actually prevent it. 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 16:31 | 5168701 buyingsterling
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We need to stop trying to define progress and let it happen through decentralization.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 17:42 | 5168939 Escrava Isaura
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Lea,

Let me give you a ‘Quick’ example how hard it is —of the level of disconnectedness:

Look the above post, by robobbob.

Robo wrote: “the east are turning it into real things.”

China has built empty cities. About 60 million empty apartments… and could go on, and Robo sees no problem there.

 

Lea, you asked: “Where would you start?”

I started already! I started it in 2009. And I never had children.

I live in DC, so people here are not aware, and don’t want to hear about these things.

 

Lea, pardon my French: Humanity is fucked, because we will be facing a cascade of problems we’re not, and can not be prepared for.

Lea, do you have kids? How old are they?

Do you speak Spanish? Do your kids do?

 

Lea, you might find this post interesting. I did:

By Ezrydermike:

July 22, 2014 at 8:12 pm

It’s hard for me to convey meaning in this blog format and my intermittent access to it.

My initial response was to Ron’s original blog. I went to look at some of the web pages I have bookmarked and I stopped by at truthout first and the linked article was right there. Seemed a bit amazing as it is very similar to Ron’s post.

I am not a newbie wrt to the topics brought up here and it isn’t shocking. Disturbing to say the least but not shocking.

I am a single parent. My daughter’s mother is out of the picture with substance abuse issues. I have raised my daughter from day one essentially by myself.

She is well grounded and a very good person. She understands and is knowledgeable about many resource topics including peak oil / resources. She has a good understanding of the shit storm we are experiencing.

I meet with her and some of her close friends about once a month to discuss stuff. We call this our roundtable. This is a great group of kids. I am trying to help them.

This kind of started with this list of things I told them might be useful to learn about.

Gardening – food. Urban gardening. Permaculture

Wild food recognition and harvesting

Medicinal plants – recognition, harvesting and use

Food preparation and storage. Canning, curing.

Making beer, mead, wine, distilling

Animal husbandry. Horseback riding, milking cows and goats. Field dressing and butchery.

Gun use and repair. Hunting skills.

Archery – hunting, arrow fletching

Cooking.

First aid and basic medical skills.

Insect and poisonous animal recognition, prevention and treatment

Sewing, quilting, clothing repair, shoes

Basic electrical especially dc power systems

Basic electronics

Basic plumbing – pipes, pumps and valves

Basic metallurgy – welding, smithing

Field weather recognition and seasonal variations.

Geology and mineral recognition – copper, iron ore, shales, flints, quartz

Paper making.

Book binding

Leather working

The thing is some of the potential future outcomes are just so effing dark. My daughter has already decided that she isn’t going to have children because she sees that there are too many people and the world is too messed up. How f..d is that for a 22 yr old to say? Drag as she would be a great mother

I have found that the further one goes down this path of pondering collapse the darker it gets. Some real questions. If it is all going to be some sort of Mad Max scenario and there is nothing to be done to avoid it, why do anything at all? Why not just live as large as possible for as long as possible? And on and on….

So we try and talk about it as if there may be future outcomes that could be rewarding and pleasant to live in. We work on trying to do what we can do. We try to build community and networks. She gardens and grows a bit of food.

She has completed 3 yrs of community college and has an AA in psychology. She has built up 2 yrs worth of transferable university credits and she is thinking hard about going to Humboldt State in northern CA. Both of think that maybe a better place to live than were we are now.

She is working with Adam Navidi of Future Foods Farm and Green2Go restaurant.

Sometimes I feel like I need to apologize to her.

So I don’t know is this makes any sense. My original reply was a bit of a spur of the moment, but it is a subject that is near and dear to me.

So sure I am interested in what others are telling the kids.

http://futurefoodsfarms.com/Future_Foods_Farms/Welcome.html

 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 18:36 | 5169127 Socratic Dog
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Thanks for being arrogant (and stupid) enough to deny the life force and have no kids.  That makes more room for my (plentiful) offspring.  Same to those who abort their potential offspring, thank you.

The point of life is to beget life.  That's all.  Otherwise, as your author says, why not just live large?  The reason you wake up with a woodie in the morning is that your genes want to be passed on.  That's your role in life.  Deny that, and you deny life.

Darwin made all this clear long ago.

Christ, a fucking jellyfish understands this better than you do.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 19:30 | 5169261 Escrava Isaura
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Socratic Dog,

It's obvious that you have strong opinions about biology.

I wonder if the woman on your art work (can't remember what you call these things) believe on it the same way you do.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 12:16 | 5171460 Socratic Dog
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Whores may or may not be rejecting the life force.  Irrelevant, they are good to fuck.  If I impregnate them, well and good, my genes will approve.  But they're just playthings.  Equivalent to slave girls in more robust epochs.

 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 22:20 | 5169770 FreedomGuy
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One of the things I have noted is that the endpoint of the leftist ideology and especially the leftist-enviro movement is that some people need to "go". It will get couched in other terms but that is the endpoint.

The earth will never ever run out of resources...ever. It may run out of or low on a particular irreproducible commodity but ingenuity and the new economic equations will replace it. Most things in life can even be recycled at the proper price points.

It is the central planner who totally screw over the economic signals that will drive us into poverty and shortages. There are many reasons but one of the primary things is the market loses all signals and the proper economic calculations to produce the right stuff. This is a big part of the fake "green energy" revolution.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 07:27 | 5170400 Escrava Isaura
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Survival is not left or right issue.

99% of all species that existed are gone. Do dinosaurs ring a bell?

Looking for economic solutions is a mistake. Intelligence is a kind of lethal mutation.

Look in how the Amish live. That’s the future.

 

Fredom, check this out:

I called my friend in Boston that is a psychiatrist (doctor). I asked him how can people look at the same facts and have total different take on it. He told me it is because of how the brain processes these data/facts. He then asked me why I was asking him all these questions.

I told him that I decided to blog for a while and that I met these very smart people on line that keep saying the same thing over and over. That wants to change the world overnight and have many solutions. I told him that I found it very disturbing, some of their solutions.

He started laughing!

He told me: I see very sick people. People that can’t cross bridges alone without having panic attacks. High anxiety about the future to the point of uncontrollable shaking. With all levels of schizophrenia, some even believes that God will come to save them.

Your new friends at blogging have minor defects, compared to what I have to deal with.

 

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 02:59 | 5174576 FreedomGuy
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The dinosaurs did not go extinct because of bad economics. It was a meteor or some natural disaster.

However, we could go nearly extinct with utopian juvenile leftist economics.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 16:27 | 5168681 phaedrus1952
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Yo, Escrava,  If you or ANYONE spent even five minutes looking at your #2 point   30 TRILLION FUCKING CUBIC FEET of nat gas to produce 4.5 MILLION barrels of oil from Canadian oil sands (less drama than TAR sands), you/anyone would immediately recognize the perpostrousness of that statement.

I'll not get into any peak oil discussion here.  My last several years of reading/studying peak oil sites has led me to conclude - amongst other things - that peak oil types have very little information other than that which is offered up by the most extremely biased, anti-industrial sources ... and the seemingly high-integrity evironmentalist types are prone to fall for this targeted B.S. all the time.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 17:28 | 5168877 Escrava Isaura
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Roland Horne:Canada requires 200 Tcf of natural gas to burn its tar sands. But Canada’s total reserve: 58 Tcf.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTsYjRqPmNA#t=46m35s%E2%80%9D

 

phaedrus1952,

I set the video time on the answer to your question.... But I would suggest you to watch the whole video. It’s an eye opening.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 17:10 | 5168821 owensdrillin
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Escrava

British Columbia has 270 trillion cu ft of natural gas in its Monteray area alone. Maybe you should look that up. I think Alberta and Saskatchewan have even a little more if I'm not mistaken.

Canada consumes 3 trillion cu ft per year and exports 8 trillion cu ft.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 17:34 | 5168905 Escrava Isaura
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owensdrillin,

These are unconventional reserves. Those numbers will go down while price of exploration will go high and higher. Also, most gas are never recoverable. Not even 50%, for what I read.

Anyway, check these:

Chris Nelder:11 years’ supply of natural gas may be optimistic.”

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/future_tense/2011/12/is_there_really_100_years_worth_of_natural_gas_beneath_the_united_states_.html

And Ron Patterson:

http://peakoilbarrel.com/whos-got-liquids-plus-bakken/

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 15:09 | 5168450 Gromit
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Like Argentina.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 02:30 | 5170214 matrix2012
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FreedomGuy, good post!

just some minor yet disrupting typo: USSR != Russia ; if one ever confuses the both, try to use the safer term, the Russian Federation ;)

USSR = BOLSHEVIK SOVIET ; since the dissolution of the USSR in 1991, the followers of the Bolshevik had relocated to the both sides of Atlantic;

no wonder nowadays the U.SA has much higher resemblance to the old USSR (hence, the USSA)...there are many Bolsheviks on its top echelons

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 14:16 | 5168250 petkovplamen
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Nope, cuz both Russia and China have been buying gold and now their currencies are gold based while the dollar is based on how many countires thre USA can invade and or intimidate.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 14:37 | 5168335 FreedomGuy
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If they go gold based then they have a common measure to balance their currency exchange rates and frankly they will overnight conquer the economic world. All money will head for them in an economic tsunami...as long as they provide reliable property rights.

I personally believe it would be "Checkmate!".

We would have to go to war to stop them or crash our own system to compete. Which is more likely?

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 15:11 | 5168456 Gromit
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"Reliable property rights......."

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 15:12 | 5168465 FreedomGuy
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An historical problem in these countries. However, rather than them catching up to the West we are devolving to the East and property rights are not so reliable here, either.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 15:58 | 5168611 free_lunch
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If you have to pay tax to keep it, you don't own it!

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 22:23 | 5169787 FreedomGuy
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So, true, free-lunch. My first realization of that was moving to New Jersey and going 'Holy shit!" when I saw the property taxes up there. I realized that with an effective 5% tax rate you had to repurchase your home from the State every twenty years on a moving valuation.

I had moved from S. Alabama and I remember telling some of my coworkers, "If we had taxes like this back home there would be politicians hanging from trees." I went on to theorize that most of them having grown up in that NE corridor saw this as the norm and accepted it.

But your point is very true and my hope is more will realize it. Point it out to everyone you know.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:26 | 5168043 snowlywhite
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what was the price again? why is it secret? not to show how much less Russia's getting?

 

yeah, guess Europe will get their gas from Qatar and Iran; and Russia will get less/bcm. Bet Europe is shaking in their boots...

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:32 | 5168074 Theta_Burn
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How would those pesky Iranian sanctions figure into those exports? dispite there not being any sort of pipeline in the works.. and Qatar? how is their pipeline project coming along?

You did get the EU shaking in their boots thing right tho...

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:42 | 5168105 snowlywhite
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yeah, right, arabs went by the same "logic" in '73. Heard it turned out great for them...

 

pipelines can/will be built; gaining back trust... good luck. And last I checked it was the SU who kept asking W. Germany for the pipeline deal in the '80s, not the other way around.

 

But hey, I'm sure they got a crack price from China, lol. Anyway, shouldn't be a problem, since we all know China grows at least 7%/year and will never ever have a recession, so it's safe to assume the demand will only go up.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 14:14 | 5168235 Lore
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@ Snowlywhite:  Your credibility suffers from lack of research. 

IEA Says China Natural Gas Demand to Nearly Double (WSJ, 10-Jun-2014)

The Russia German Nord Stream Strategic Gas Pipeline (GR, 2010)

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 14:45 | 5168340 snowlywhite
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whoa, WSJ; why not the economist? Listen, I read enough China bull propaganda to fill about one shelf. Yet basic logic says the only way that might happen is by drastically curtailing the current oligarchy. I'm sure I'll live to see that; not. The only way that'll happen without the bubble blowing up that is.

 

and regarind Russia - Germany alliance, yeah, that's ongoing. Why suddenly Ukraine matters? What I'm arguing is that Germany might be alone in that; which I'm afraid doesn't count for much. I'm sure Germany thinks the rest of the UE will keep on swallowing till the end of time. But... Plus, Merkel is Merkel; the leader leading by the polls without any other clue. If polls will tell her she must dump Russia, dump she will.

 

in a world filled with overcapacity, demand is king. And God knows soon enough even dog walking will become a job since we have nothing to do with all those people wanting a job...

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 15:56 | 5172605 Lore
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Re: "WSJ; why not the economist?" LOL Point taken. Appreciate the followup.  For what it's worth, I think Merkel is on her way out.  I know the next German election isn't for a while, but I think somebody will find a way to turf her if she doesn't step down on her own.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 14:39 | 5168344 FreedomGuy
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Well, look at a map as to what it would take to lay a pipeline from Qatar and anywhere in the Persian Gulf to Europe and see whose territories it crosses. This would be no picnic.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:31 | 5168079 vincenze
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It's about $360. The same price is for Germany.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:35 | 5168093 snowlywhite
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or so says the rumor...

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:46 | 5168144 Rock On Roger
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Nymex gaz close last week Oct 14 future @ $4.04/mmbtu = approx $143/m3

 

Russia is making good money at $360/m3

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:39 | 5168108 vincenze
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Poland pays $500. The Ukraine, when it was a semi-friend of Russia,  paid $280. Belarus - $180.

If you're an enemy, you pay more for gas.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 15:00 | 5168426 Terminus C
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That makes no sense!

Shouldn't you help your enemy out by giving them cheap gas, weapons, training and logistic support?

 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:49 | 5168154 Renewable Life
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That's some special "holiday shit" your smoking brother!!!

Enjoy the daze!

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 14:20 | 5168269 petkovplamen
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How will the EU be getting their gas from Iran? Holdign it in the palms of their hands? Soon the Iranian nagotiations will fail and then Israel will be attacking Iran. Good luck geting Iranian gas then.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 16:35 | 5168708 buyingsterling
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It's called dependency, and it should frighten them, particularly when it's about something as basic as keeping the killing cold at bay. Notice that Putin's comments included a remark about being able to alter the flow of gas to east and west. I guess we'll find out how much dirt the NSA has on Merkel and others by how long the Europeans stick with the sanctions regime. It's nonsense, they know it, so they must be compelled in some way.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 16:56 | 5168776 free_lunch
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Recently I stumbled on this nice free documentary called uninvited ( presstv ), about the influence US  had/has over Germany (and other EU-countries). You might want to Google it, it's interesting.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 03:01 | 5170231 matrix2012
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Uninvited

After the successful Allied invasions of western France, Germany gathered reserve forces and launched a massive counter-offensive in the Ardennes, which collapsed in January 1945. By March, Western Allied forces were crossing the Rhine River, capturing hundreds of thousands of troops from Germany's Army. The Red Army had meanwhile entered Austria, and both fronts quickly approached Berlin. Bombing campaigns by Allied aircraft were pounding German territory, sometimes destroying entire cities in a night. In the first several months of 1945, Germany put up a fierce defense, but rapidly lost territory, ran out of supplies, and exhausted its options.

On April 25 1945, East met West on the River Elbe, when Soviet and American troops met near Torgau, Germany. Then came the end of the Third Reich, as the Soviets took Berlin. A demand for Unconditional Surrender by a whole country or alliance of countries was unprecedented in warfare until that time. But in 1945, nobody really knew what that phrase, initiated by Franklin. D. Roosevelt, might mean if applied to an entire country. In this documentary we will go to Germany almost 7 decades after the War and witness the influence and power the United States still holds over Germany.

PRESS TV Documentaries - Published on Jun 15, 2014

 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:27 | 5168049 Kirk2NCC1701
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PM+PE* Make The World Go Round, world go round, world go round.

A ton of nukes in the right hands, keeps it that way.  Hedge accordingly.

 

* PE = Precious Energy, PM = Precious Materials (includes Gold, but not limited to gold).

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 15:50 | 5168591 NOTW777
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russia and china plan years ahead and in the us its, until the next election

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 16:06 | 5168629 Supafly
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Is it checkmate yet?

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:17 | 5168009 shiftless
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Y'all ready for WW3?

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:55 | 5168176 RiverRoad
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ZHers have been ready for Armageddon since 2008.  Stocking up on popcorn and watching that can get kicked down a long, long road.  Whoever thought it would be war and pestilence both at the same time?

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 14:22 | 5168281 petkovplamen
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No, the war will be real this time. The USA needs a war desparetly they are drawing in debt. Havent you noticed, any time Capitalism is in trouble(they dont have anybody to exploit) they start up wars? Time to brush up on your history, boy.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 14:36 | 5168330 Ventnor
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The NATO meeting in Wales will be key.  What will they do?  The US deep government has no intention of letting V. V. Putin win.  By the same token, I find it hard to believe they will introduce ground forces into Ukraine.  Arm the Yatzi-Nazi regime to the hilt?  Yes, possibly, but that will only result in the ruination of the society -- its people, infrastructure and all hope of regionl reconiliation.  A massive provocation, a new false flag even more outrageous than the Malaysian 17 false flag?  Might not be enough to do the trick, but it might be the US deep state's best and only option.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 14:42 | 5168361 Anusocracy
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Ukraine is just the latest sacrificial lamb of the power-crazed US government.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 16:20 | 5168671 free_lunch
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Put better make sure he doesn't use radioactive toothbrushes, avoid flying, avoid driving any drive-by-wire cars like the Mercedes CLK250 and look out for Russian lone nutters Oswald style...

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 16:38 | 5168717 phaedrus1952
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free lunch, all the above and more is being done - and has been done for some time, I am sure. (Still do not know what to make of the MH77 shoot down being a failed attempt to hit Putin's jet ... supposedly in the same general flight path).

I am wondering how much - if any - "payback" actions may be in the planning stages at this point in time.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 14:37 | 5168339 Anusocracy
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When government is failing, they go to war.

BTW, where is that darn Capitalism? All that exists everywhere is Regulatory Cronyism.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/capitalism

capitalism (?kæp?t??l?z?m) n.

1. (Economics) Also called: free enterprise or private enterprise an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange, characterized by the freedom of capitalists to operate or manage their property for profit in competitive conditions.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 15:51 | 5168598 NOTW777
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we dont have "capitalism" in the us

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:19 | 5168015 ilion
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What's up Obama!

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:23 | 5168036 Soul Glow
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Obama is getting ready to sell bonds to the Fed tomorrow.  Getting ready with a golf game on this fine holiday!

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:47 | 5168140 Renewable Life
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Dude, don't bother Obama, it's a holiday, you know where he is!!!

He's "clearing his mind" right now:)

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 14:01 | 5168195 CCanuck
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What will he do with the other 23 hours,59mins and 30 seconds?

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 15:43 | 5168569 rejected
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Boy, Are you being kind.

 

R

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 16:27 | 5168691 CCanuck
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I am trying to be less cynical..or critical...or raycist....

aww fuck it...that bastard is dumb as a box of rocks, he could clear his mind by blinking

 

(no offence to boxes or rocks.)

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 18:46 | 5169164 buyingsterling
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"clearing his mind"

you're playing a little fast and loose with the nouns.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:32 | 5168018 Soul Glow
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Obama lying and saying Russia is isolated, great point Tyler.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 14:33 | 5168321 RSloane
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Not only has Obama repeatedly lied about Russia and its stature on the international stage, he has lied about the living conditions of the Russian people. There have been pics printed of completely barren store shelves in Moscow coupled with articles about the inability of the people to feed and clothe themselves because of lack of goods. This has been a ridiculous effort by the US MSM to back Obama up with more lies.

In the meantime the UN is looking at the people of Detroit being unable to get clean drinking water and making comments about the inhumanity of that situation, yet the UN will back Obama on anything that is remotely negative about either Russia or china.

 

 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:22 | 5168028 reset71
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How dare the Russians and Chinese try to avoid American hegenomy.  Our model is the best. Wages are up, prices are stable, jobs are plentiful, GDP is booming, manufacturing and exports are growing, and we have surpluses every year!

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 14:02 | 5168138 CCanuck
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You forgot to mention that the world is more peaceful than it has ever been, because of American exceptionalism...I know this cause Obama said so!

Why is everyone so cynical?

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 15:36 | 5168540 Lea
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"Why is everyone so cynical?"

Good question,  CCanuck. Cynicism is a defense mechanism, albeit not a very good one (only to be used in extreme conditions, where it can save your sanity). People think it's cool, it's not. It's a perfect way not to have to take action, as a cynic will invariably replace action with mockery. In fact, he will feel superior while remaining totally passive.

Cynicism is the distance the defeated put between them and whatever is defeating them.

A not so bad quick explanation here:

http://www.whywesuffer.com/cynicism-the-battle-cry-of-the-wimp/

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 16:27 | 5168694 free_lunch
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Thanks for this enlightening post, never looked at it that way.

But you know, when you're powerless, cynicism is all there is..

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:21 | 5168029 Freddie
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Good thing Putin and China are not using American unionized labor that built Amerika's middle class (according to Joe Biden).   Russia would not be shipping gas for another 20 years. 

My guess is the Chinese will have their part done in a month and the Russians maybe 2 to 4 months.

F Obama. F the banksters and red shield.  F the EU-SSR.  F Cameron and the other zio-Brits. F the Saudis.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:54 | 5168173 logicalman
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You missed F Harper & F Abbott.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 15:07 | 5168445 Terminus C
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No need to fuck the puppet's puppets.

 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 15:09 | 5168453 ross81
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they're non-entities anyway. Australia is China's quarry and know's its place. You dont fuck with China and Russia....ever!

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 14:01 | 5168193 RSloane
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The EU will take a collective dump when pics are published of chinese workers on Russian soil, working side by side with the Russians, helping them build it. So china has promised, and so shall it be.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 15:40 | 5168557 RiverRoad
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Right.  We're not stupid:  We used the Chinese to build our railroads!

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:22 | 5168030 Volaille de Bresse
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Redrawing the world's map : Putin!

Barfing on the world's map : Obozo and McCain...

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:23 | 5168037 falak pema
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The Count of Monte Cristo-Gazprom.

Putin now claims Siberia is Treasure Island and he is Captain Billy Bones. 

Watch the Ukrainian pirates try and put the black spot on him! 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 13:57 | 5168181 chunga
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LOL!

My wife listens to the radio in the car and tells me the radio informed her that the Russians have full-scale invaded Ukraine practically every day for the past week or so. Then she asks why can't anybody see it since there is spy shit all over the place.

Orlov weighs in on that...too funny!

How can you tell whether Russia has invaded Ukraine?

http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/08/how-can-you-tell-whether-russia-ha...

 

 

Last Thursday the Ukrainian government, echoed by NATO spokesmen, declared that the the Russian military is now operating within Ukraine's borders. Well, maybe it is and maybe it isn't; what do you know? They said the same thing before, most recently on August 13, and then on August 17, each time with either no evidence or fake evidence. But let's give them the benefit of the doubt.

........

You be the judge. I put together this helpful list of top ten telltale signs that will allow you to determine whether indeed Russia invaded Ukraine last Thursday, or whether Thursday's announcement is yet another confabulation. (Credit to Roman Kretsul). 

.........

1. Ukrainian artillery fell silent almost immediately. They are no longer shelling residential districts of Donetsk and Lugansk. This is because their locations had been pinpointed prior to the operation, and by Thursday afternoon they were completely wiped out using air attacks, artillery and ground-based rocket fire, as the first order of business. Local residents are overjoyed that their horrible ordeal is finally at an end.

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7. The usual Ukrainian talking heads, such as president Poroshenko, PM Yatsenyuk and others, are no longer available to be interviewed by Western media. Nobody quite knows where they are. There are rumors that they have already fled the country. Crowds have stormed their abandoned residences, and were amazed to discover that they were all outfitted with solid gold toilets. Nor are the Ukrainian oligarchs anywhere to be found, except for the warlord Igor Kolomoisky, who was found in his residence, abandoned by his henchmen, dead from a heart attack. (Contributed by the Saker.)

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9. There is all sorts of intense diplomatic and military activity around the world, especially in Europe and the US. Military forces are on highest alert, diplomats are jetting around and holding conferences. President Obama just held a press conference to announce that “We don't have a strategy on Ukraine yet.” His military advisers tell him that his usual strategy of “bomb a little and see what happens” is not likely to be helpful in this instance.

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Armed with this list, you too should be able to determine whether or not Russia has invaded Ukraine last Thursday.

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Ha hA. I'm going to print out this for her for laughs at the BBq/beer derby. It's not funny but what else can you do?

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 14:27 | 5168296 petkovplamen
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you can shorten it like this:

 

Q: How can you tell whether Russia has invaded Ukraine?

A:. when you see the smoke rising over Kiev from London.

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