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Ron Paul: Perhaps Obama's "Lack Of Strategy Is A Glimmer Of Hope"

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Submitted by Ron Paul via The Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity,

Last week President Obama admitted that his administration has not worked out a strategy on how to deal with the emergence of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) as a dominant force in the Middle East. However, as ISIS continues its march through Syria and Iraq, many in the US administration believe it is, in the words of Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, a threat “beyond anything we have ever seen.”
 
Predictably, the neocons attacked the president’s speech. They believe the solution to any problem is more bombs and troops on the ground, so they cannot understand the president’s hesitation.
 
Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee Buck McKeon made it clear that fighting ISIS is going to cost a lot more money and will bring US forces back to Iraq for the third time. The post-Iraq, post-Afghanistan peace dividend disintegrates.

Mr. McKeon said last week:

ISIS is an urgent threat and a minimalist approach, that depends solely on FY15 funding or pinprick strikes that leave fragile forces in Iraq and Syria to do the hard fighting, is insufficient to protect our interests and guarantee our safety in time.

What does this mean in practice? If the neocons have their way, the Federal Reserve will “print” more money to finance another massive US intervention in the Middle East. In reality this means further devaluation of the US dollar, which is a tax on all Americans that will hit the poorest hardest.

A new US military incursion will not end ISIS; it will provide them with the recruiting tool they most crave, while draining the US treasury. Just what Osama bin Laden wanted!
 
McKeon and the other hawks act as if they had only recently become aware of the ISIS. Or if they noticed it, they pretend US policy had nothing to do with its rise.
 
McKeon also said last week, “ISIS threat was allowed to build and fester over a period of time.”
 
In fact, US regime change policy in Syria was directly responsible for the rise of ISIS over these past three years. As journalist Eric Margolis observed recently, the emergence of ISIS is the “mother of all blowback.” The neocons who want us to get tougher on ISIS, including a US attack on Syria, are the same ones who not long ago demanded that we support groups like ISIS to overthrow the Assad government in Syria. US-trained and funded “moderates” from the Free Syrian Army joined the Islamist militias including ISIS, taking US weapons and training with them.
 
Three years of supporting any force that might overthrow the secular government of President Assad has produced a new monster in the Middle East that neocons insist the US must slay.
 
Why can’t they just admit they were wrong? Why can’t the interventionists just admit that their support for regime change in Syria was a terrible and tragic mistake?
 
If ISIS is as big a threat as they claim, why can’t they simply ask Assad to help out? Assad has never threatened the United States; ISIS has. Assad has been fighting ISIS and similar Islamist extremist groups for three years.
 
Why does the US government insist on aligning with theocracies in the Middle East? If there is anything that contradicts the US Constitution and American values it is a theocratic government. I do not believe that a majority in the Middle East wants to live under such a system, so why do we keep pushing it on them? Is that what they call promoting democracy?
 
A lack of strategy is a glimmer of hope. Perhaps the president will finally stop listening to the neocons and interventionists whose recommendations have gotten us into this mess in the first place! Here’s a strategy: just come home.

 

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Mon, 09/01/2014 - 18:19 | 5169074 stinkhammer
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barry is simply a tool

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 18:20 | 5169079 Bindar Dundat
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The world is getting fed up with that simple tool.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 18:26 | 5169099 Newsboy
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We have multiple options for emergencies to excuse or explain or scare us into compliance during the crash we are being set up for, maybe this month. Russia/Ukraine, Ebola, South China Sea, ISIS...

Oh, false-flag as yet to be announced.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 18:30 | 5169112 knukles
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"Getting fed up"?
Read some foreign press.
It's way past getting ....

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 18:32 | 5169116 Keyser
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A fool with a tool is still a fool... 

 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 18:39 | 5169137 toady
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Not the sharpest tool in the shed.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 18:57 | 5169198 falak pema
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I want to be wicked about that tool shed issue :

Two hundred celebrities in the nude and NOT one finished in that swimming pool like in the JKF days.

Where has a Potus's love of style and of Camelot gone with all those female flowers?

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 19:24 | 5169251 SWRichmond
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"Why can’t they just admit they were wrong? Why can’t the interventionists just admit that their support for regime change in Syria was a terrible and tragic mistake?"

because there's no god damn money in that, that's why.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 22:39 | 5169836 UnpatrioticHoarder
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No mistake at all, Obama was just doin' his best and then BAM! false flag terror attack, it's not like the US deserved it, because nice ol' Mr Obama was pulling his punches, not like Dubya. See, that's why the Democrat Presidents are better than the Republican Presidents. Same result tho.

</sarc>

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 18:39 | 5169140 Greenskeeper_Carl
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yes indeed. Yet another thing ron paul was right about, and the rest of them are wrong. It must get tiring telling the same people this kind of shit, and, despite being right about nearly everything the past couple decades, no one listens. As frustrating as it is trying to explain this to one or two people, and having them look at you like you have an arm growing out of your forehead, I can't imagine the paitence this guy must have to be able to hammer away at it all these years. He will be missed, thats for sure, cuz his son is doing a pretty shitty job of carrying the torch. In fact, I'd say he has DROPPED that torch already.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 05:36 | 5170327 tonyw
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it's not that the world is fed up with the prez but the actions of the country regardless of which puppet is prez.

 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 22:39 | 5169833 Milestones
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Not TOOL; it's FOOL although idiodic nincompoop would be closer.                  Milestones

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 19:42 | 5169305 holmes
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We have got to stop these ISIS terrorists from harming Americans and i've got a plan to do it: CLOSE THE FUCKING SOUTHERN BORDER AND STOP LETTING THIS SCUM WALK INTO AMERICA.

As far as what ISIS does in Syria/Iraq, let the Arabs deal with it.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 05:37 | 5170328 tonyw
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close most of the foreign bases and bring troops home.

reduce war spending to a similar amount compared to other countries

stop meddling in other counries

quite simple really

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 20:03 | 5169366 RiverRoad
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Maybe the guy REALLY has no strategy.  Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 20:58 | 5169490 TahoeBilly2012
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WW! and WW11 were said to be largely setup to get the Country of Israel established. It's possiible ISIS is all part of the plan on the way to the NWO, maybe we can't see the benefit but then we don't know "the plan".

If Ron Paul is smart enough to see these things and challenge them how do you figure the real planners don't see them also, it's just that their goals aren't what his are, their's is global order through chaos, his is American sovereignity through peace. Just sayin.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 22:14 | 5169741 ThirteenthFloor
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Real planners ? You referring to the global financial elite ? If so, not have they got this worked out, and three steps or 5-7 years ahead of the gen. public.

If you refer to the sold out, knocked out idiots in Washington as "real planners" you are using the wrong term, I call them the "DC empty suits", they can't plan anything, they are too busy playing poker on their mobile devices collecting payola payments and insider trading tips..

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 00:25 | 5170066 Richard Feynman
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The USA Military plan's out 100's of years into the future. Sure the politicians only think to the next election.

Given the unbridled power of CIA, NSA; Given that they have had 50+ years to work in secret I think we can assume that the plans are in stone.

Surely Ron Paul, being an insider knows, but he's subject to national security laws.

These guy's are just letting us have a 'faux debate' in public, but as Noam Chomsky say's everything is delivered by "Manufactured Consent".

Watch not what Ron Paul say's but where he wants to take you.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 21:03 | 5169501 SuperRay
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He's a dear in headlights..  He NEEDS to go to the golf course because then he doesn't have to deal with all these issues, about which he not only doesn't have clue, but probably shits his pants when he tries to grapple with policy and actual decisions.  He would be great as a motivational speaker, or a game show host, or the guest host on Saturday Night Live.  Barry is an entertainer, pure and simple, and never mastered the ability to think for himself and locate his moral center.  All he wants now is to be left alone, hang out with his celebrity buds, and bask in the limelight.  In other words, according to Yeats, he's one of the best, who lack all conviction, while the worse (the CFR and PNAC) gnaw at him like beavers gnaw on a tree.  And, since he hasn't got a clue, he just does what he's told.  What a total fucking disaster...

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 00:58 | 5170112 dumbStruck
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He's a rear in headlights ..... there fixed it for ya !   ;-)

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 18:22 | 5169076 Rican
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It's all part of the script. He'll do what his handlers tell him to do.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 20:07 | 5169386 RiverRoad
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If by "his handlers" you mean the Fed et al, you got that right.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 22:04 | 5169702 ThirteenthFloor
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Yes, if you read G20 Danger of Divergence and other club of isles documents you will find nice little world map with fires in exactly all the countries with wars/conflicts. Fully planned out.

While I always like Dr. Paul, he carefully covers the surface but does not really get behind or lift the curtain.

Obama has no foreign policy, because he personally doesn't need one, the CFR, trilateral commission office of diplomacy set the policy. He just gets up occasionally reading from the Teleprompter between tee times. The fact Most Americans don't see that as a bigger problem than ISIS. A stooge president with fascist planners is very very dangerous.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 18:21 | 5169083 progro
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RP is always right on. 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 18:39 | 5169146 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Yes he is. And I want to apologize for not voting for him, I should have. At least I didn't vote for the current dog turd.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 20:16 | 5169408 Rican
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My second to last vote ever in national politics was Ron Paul. Gary Johnson was my final vote ever in national politics. I'm done participating in that charade.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 21:52 | 5169680 trulz4lulz
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I found myself wavering between Gary and Jill Stein. Honestly wouldnt mind seeing a ticket with those two on it. I honestly just have a crush on Jill, so I may be biased.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 22:18 | 5169754 ThirteenthFloor
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Elections will not fix or change USA. +1

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 04:33 | 5170289 sessinpo
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progro    RP is always right on.

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Bull Shit

RP doesn't recognize the progressive socialist that infects all politics which is why the article attacks neocons. Well, if there were no neocons, the same thing would be happening with the dumbocrat party in power because they are all progressive liberals that want to rule.

And by the way, RP is for more border patrol agents which again is more government. Slightly hypocritical for a man that is also against pork spending but has received such. Or he has done tricky thing such as sponsered pork spending for his district, and knowing it would pass without his vote, he then votes against it. So he gets the pork spending and also gets to claim he voted against it.

They are all politicians.

 

 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 18:24 | 5169087 dbTX
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I say keep him on the golf course, he's less dangerous there.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 18:39 | 5169136 Surging Chaos
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I want to agree with this, but I wouldn't be surprised if Obama has ordered drone strikes while on the back 9.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 18:41 | 5169153 Greenskeeper_Carl
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agreed, since i disagree with pretty much everything he does anyway, the more time he spends out there, the better. Less damage done. I jsut wish he would take janet and congress with him

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 20:02 | 5169363 Kirk2NCC1701
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Having "more flexibility" in his 2nd Term is best on the golf course, in his case.

It helps offset his handicap.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 21:51 | 5169594 CCanuck
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His handicap has nothing to do with golfing.....Its the lack of content in his character that handicaps him.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 18:29 | 5169101 LawsofPhysics
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Like every president since Wilson, just another fucking puppet.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 18:28 | 5169102 djsmps
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I hope that we do not get more involved in any conflicts. But, it was a pretty extraordinary event for a president to say before the world that he had no strategy.  It was a new low to a president that for six years has done nothing but lower the bar. At least he didn't call ISIL "folks".

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 18:32 | 5169118 knukles
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But, he has said (as has Holder and I believe Kerry, but not sure as to the latter) that they're not a religiously affiliated organization.
So I guess they can opt out of ObieCare, huh?

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 19:25 | 5169254 disabledvet
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I think if he had said "we don't have a plan of action" or better yet "what comes after the action"..what "busting the door down because once we do it the whole thing will collapse" ...even if true (it's obviously not) ...that would mean an interest to the "mericans and the hood Over There.

Not to digress but that's why I really do not understand Putin...WE'RE ALREADY LEAVING!

Anywho...a simple "we were told the last war would pay for itself...what I'd like to know is how this one will!" would suffice in my book.

If Putin really had a sense of humor he'd call us the Americans the Nazis actually. Instead "it's that little brother who I can conquer in three says." Some Nazi's they are.

Nay...veerily...we're all playing "the deep game" here where the sum total of an otherwise perfectly good market bubble has devolved down to a "KILL 'EM ALL ANYWAYS!" ethos anyways. So much for the theory "we're all making money here...let's just calm down!" being an answer.

I just don't understand all the charged rhetoric (which coming from me is really saying something.) "All in the name of an off ramp" or "poor brother"???? More like Tony Stewart in the hammer lane "and I wanna be that guy!"

Now back to your regularly scheduled Football programming!

Da-da-da-daaaaaaaaa (doo-do-do--do-do)
Da-da-da-da-da-da-daaaaaaaaa!

Da-da-da-da-da-da-daaaa! (Allegro ascending order)
Daa-daa-daa-daa-daa-daa-da-daaaaaaaaa...(Allegro, descending order please.)

Deet-dat-deet-dat-dat! (Enter "announcers" overlay with berbage while Deep Horn and Drums keep the beat...a filigree or something like that?)

Who's that ex coach turned announcer from the Buccanneers? John Gruden? Have him come up with a plan. "We'll allow for halftime adjustments"...and "consider this point in the battle halftime"!

Right now we seem to have "laces out Dan" as our foreign policy.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 18:37 | 5169131 p00k1e
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Some days Obama is a marionette while other days the leader of the free world without a plan.  

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 20:04 | 5169370 nmewn
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Obama is, an insane squirrel with his tail on fire running through "the free world" attempting to burn it to the ground before the flames reach his neck.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 18:37 | 5169132 kill switch
Mon, 09/01/2014 - 18:37 | 5169133 Surging Chaos
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"Perhaps the president will finally stop listening to the neocons and interventionists whose recommendations have gotten us into this mess in the first place!"

Probably not, Ron. Barry loves droning brown people.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 18:44 | 5169157 toady
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Yeah, if the "doesn't have a plan" shaming doesn't goad him into killing some folks, the manhood comments and mama jokes will.

He's definitely gonna kill some brown folks.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 18:40 | 5169143 JustObserving
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The CIA/NSA have left Barry out of the loop on strategy.  After all, the mouthpiece does not need to know everything. Or anything:

Several months later, Eisenhower was to deliver his farewell address, warning of the perils embodied in the growth of what he called the “military-industrial complex.” Its “acquisition of unwarranted influence,” he said, posed the danger of “the disastrous rise of misplaced power.”

Today, no one in Congress or the corporate media questions in regard to the German affair whether Obama exercises “any real control” over the US intelligence agencies, which, together with the military, have grown beyond anything that Eisenhower could have ever imagined. Eisenhower’s warning has been fully realized in the rise of a vast, secretive military-intelligence apparatus that wields the real power in Washington, while carrying out continuous and murderous violence, provocations and massive spying around the globe.

Nor, for that matter, does Obama feel any need to assert his dominance over the CIA, NSA and Pentagon. He has no separate interests from theirs, serving as their figurehead “commander-in-chief.” His job is not to rein in the military and the intelligence agencies, but rather to provide them with public relations services, trying to convince the American and world public that wholesale spying, drone assassinations—whose targets he helps select at the White House’s “terror Tuesdays”—and military massacres are all necessary instruments of the “war on terror,” and in harmony with democratic rights and methods of rule.

Obama, who after graduating from college took his first job as an “analyst” for Business International Corporation, which provided intelligence dossiers for US corporations while serving as a front for covert CIA agents, personifies this military-intelligence complex. This is still the milieu in which he is most comfortable: the classified intelligence briefing and the review of secret dossiers.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/07/11/pers-j11.html

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 18:41 | 5169147 Fuku Ben
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The last paragraph says it all. Gatekeeper Ron Paul preaching hope and change for relying on Obama to do the right thing.

Sure the old coot occasionally makes a few good points. But why do you Americans even listen to this guy?

He will never lead or be able to affect change in any meaningful way to your disaster of a country. Relegate him to Jimmy Carter status of writing and signing books while preaching peace and move on to someone that will actually stop the US train wreck in progress.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 19:23 | 5169249 gmrpeabody
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I haven't seen anyone of note stepping up to the plate from your country...

just saying.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 23:50 | 5169992 Fuku Ben
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You're right but at least I can admit it. Most of your countrymen can't and won't. But our countries are like night and day.

Our country was finished after we lost the war. You can't own any real weapons or align yourself into anything like a militia in your country. The best you could hope for here is a shotgun, a sword and align yourself with one of the major gangs. Not very appealing. Politics is a joke. We couldn't free ourselves even if we wanted to do it. Various foreign entities control everything. Things here are pretty much go along to get along or to get ahead. And 99% of the people gladly do it. It is the culture. Luckily I was educated overseas so I can understand and appreciate other cultural differences and mindsets.

You definitely still have a chance to save yourselves in America. Many of you have the opposite mentality that 99% of people do here. You can buy almost any weapon you want to get. You can legally organize into militias but most don't. At least for the time being you really could control local politics and in turn force change at higher levels but rarely do.

But counting on someone like Ron Paul as the best chance of hope was and is a huge mistake. He folded like a house of cards in his last shot at the election for one of three reasons, He was controlled opposition, he or his family was threatened or paid off (i.e future for Rand) or he was pussy and just gave up.

Nobody's saving this country. Think of us at one of the WTC towers. We're in controlled demolition mode. We'll be lucky if Fukushima doesn't finish us off too. You need people now that will risk it all in your country. Life, family , liberty, wealth. There is 0% chance it will happen here so I pay attention to politics in the west. Feel free to point me in the direction of anyone that appears to be willing to risk it all. RP never was and never will be that person.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 19:14 | 5173474 gmrpeabody
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Yes.., well, we can agree to disagree on RP. Perhaps he could have done more, I don't know what is in his head. But your point is well taken. Somebody soon better stand up to the monster.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 21:27 | 5169583 SuperRay
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He's been saying the same things since he was elected the first time.  He's the only political figure in this country to has integrity and an actual moral center.  He's a decent man, who understands, and has understood, the impact of policy on people's day to day lives.  He has been a great leader who has raised awareness of libertarian issues and has opposed all of Washington's Welfare/Warfare policies.

Don't be such a douche.  Calling him an old coot is disrespectful and clearly demonstrates that, while he is a great man, you are an ignorant asshole troll.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 18:42 | 5169151 Doubting Thomass
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I wonder if Ron Paul would consider a run for president in 2016?

He would be the only reasonable choice in a field of monkey's...

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 19:03 | 5169152 falak pema
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The US Congress is totally deaf to this line of argument; I wonder why!

One issue that is of prime ethical importance in this analysis: 

...If there is anything that contradicts the US Constitution and American values it is a theocratic government...

So if this is TRUE why have so many US administrations BLINDLY supported, since Suez Crisis; moment where US power replaced Anglo-French power in the area and took on the mantle of monitoring/influencing the Israel/Egypt/Saud stand-off; the first being BOTH an Apartheid oriented and religiously motivated state, built on exclusively "for Jews" basis post Balfour declaration enaction under British aegis, and the last a Wahhabist theocracy cum plutocracy with awesome and inhumane penal laws.

Both countries are increasingly vital pillars of US power play in the area since 1956...

Have the Eisenhower to Obammy adminstrations then all been guilty of debasing the US constitution in their foreign policy options ? 

Some epitaph that Ron Paul wants to stick on the Pax Americana age tombstone ! 

On this issue, I couldn't have said it differently, except by stating the causality of these recurrent, criminal, militaristically  perpetrated offenses to constitution and human rights (in ME as elsewhere) : OIL !

Ron P does not mention that in his diatribe.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 19:09 | 5169217 Escrava Isaura
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falak pema,

Hope you don’t mind if I ask you ‘Pick your Brain’ with this oversimplified quagmire.

The way I see there are three forces at play:

Neocons/Military Industrial Complex: Military

Wall Street/Banks/Insurance: Economic

And Republicans and Democrats Bread & Circuses: The Republic

 

So, the pie is getting smaller. Military drives their tanks to DC and to Wall Street, money flows their way.

 

Then, how about me: In the Republic?

 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 19:15 | 5169233 falak pema
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When the pie gets smaller and the leverage is maxed; its not just there is no pie left  its also there will be a lot of mad credit holders sitting on the Titanic asking for refunds; aka lifeboats; or they sink.

The Republic is that band on the Titanic. What instrument do you play?

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 19:36 | 5169285 Escrava Isaura
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Bondage strap and rope!

It might come handy, lowering the lifeboat… I think?

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 18:45 | 5169159 q99x2
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Keep the president of Washington D.C. golfing.

This is Q99X2's favorite internet talk show guest: Craig Hulet.

He comes up with ideas like the NWO already is in control of the west, America is a trick played on (well he didn't say that exactly), there is no US military and ISIS is a tool to control western nations.

He doesn't fall for a lot of concepts that lack substance.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 18:50 | 5169173 Who was that ma...
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But wait.  Our intrepid President DOES have a strategy!   It's exactly the SAME strategy that has  stood him in such good stead all of his life.  Namely: If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, then baffle 'em with bullshit!!!

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 18:50 | 5169179 ozzzo
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It is depressing to see Ron Paul buying into the idea that Obama is anything besides a figurehead for our out of control military-industrial-financial oligarchy. He doesn't have a strategy because his bosses haven't uploaded it to the teleprompter yet. The US financing/arming ISIS and building it into the next big boogeyman was not a mistake.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 19:07 | 5169185 DarthVaderMentor
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One aspiring rising con man admiring the career and technique of another successful con man.......

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 18:56 | 5169193 redc1c4
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Laup Nor is a nucking fidiot, as are his fans.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 21:13 | 5169303 Dr. Engali
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Why don't you just head right on over to the Middle East and fight Isis, or Al-CIA-Duh, or whoever the fuck the next boogie man is? People like you are the real idiots, the people who believe this crap, and are willing to send other people's kids over there to die in a damn banker war while you sit safely in your barkalounger eating monosodium glutamate filled Cheetos, drinking piss water domestic beer watching it on teevee.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 20:15 | 5169404 Anusocracy
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So what is your solution?

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 18:57 | 5169199 Joebloinvestor
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It takes at least four decades for the US to admit to any mistake.

Look how long it took to apologize to American Japanese and the American Indian.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 19:53 | 5169334 kill switch
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The FSA always get's it right when they have tried everything else first....

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 19:03 | 5169206 cart00ner
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The middle east is pissed off with being bombed - more bombs should fix that eh?

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 19:19 | 5169240 knukles
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It's a Krugmanlike thingamajigge.
MOAR!

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 19:58 | 5169353 KuriousKat
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Absent recent headlines one would think the following excerpt came  from a cracker Jacks box with the colorfoul little navy sailor on the front..or the astrology section of the Times..

Someone seemed  to be way ahead of the curve

wiki on Alqaeda

 

 March 11, 2005, Al-Quds Al-Arabi published extracts from Saif al-Adel's document "Al Qaeda's Strategy to the Year 2020".[72][73] Abdel Bari Atwan summarizes this strategy as comprising five stages to rid the Ummah from all forms of oppression:

  1. Provoke the United States and the West into invading a Muslim country by staging a massive attack or string of attacks on U.S. soil that results in massive civilian casualties.
  2. Incite local resistance to occupying forces.
  3. Expand the conflict to neighboring countries, and engage the U.S. and its allies in a long war of attrition.
  4. Convert al-Qaeda into an ideology and set of operating principles that can be loosely franchised in other countries without requiring direct command and control, and via these franchises incite attacks against the U.S. and countries allied with the U.S. until they withdraw from the conflict, as happened with the 2004 Madrid train bombings, but which did not have the same effect with the July 7, 2005 London bombings.
  5. The U.S. economy will finally collapse by the year 2020 under the strain of multiple engagements in numerous places, making the worldwide economic system which is dependent on the U.S. also collapse leading to global political instability, which in turn leads to a global jihad led by al-Qaeda and a Wahhabi Caliphate will then be installed across the world following the collapse of the U.S. and the rest of the Western world countries.

Atwan also noted, regarding the collapse of the U.S., "If this sounds far-fetched, it is sobering to consider that this virtually describes the downfall of the Soviet Union."[72]

Perhaps Ron is correct..further adventures would corrupt and bankrupt us..if not already..

Atwans 5 point plan  seems to be ahead of schedule..

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 19:40 | 5169301 potato
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bin Laden won.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 20:03 | 5169367 Kirk2NCC1701
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Bin Laden who?

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 22:54 | 5169879 therevolutionwas
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Bin Laden who died at least two times and may have to be resurrected yet again.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 19:41 | 5169304 reset71
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I'm tired of hearing "neocons" being blamed for war.  Sure they are the vanguard, but the Hillarys, Bidens, Kerrys, Reids, Pelosis, Gores, Clintons, Tom Daschles, Obamas, DEMOCRAT POLOTICIANS, and by implication, the DEMOCRAT VOTERS, are in lock step with the war machine.  I agree with you Ron Paul on 90% of things, but don't let the lying, hypocritical DEMOCRATS pull your chain. They are also part of the war machine.  Obama is bombing more countries than Bush; he has expanded the drone war.  What all you lefties won't admit, because you don't particularily even understand, is that Obama is a Fascist, not like in your wet dreams where he is a softcore Socialist. He is, with the permission of you voters and Congress, usurping federal powers, cherry picking what laws to enforce, initiating unilateral wars of choice, choosing winners and losers in the private market, forcing all citizens to pay insurance companies for services (mafia style), etc.  

Why has Ron Paul even stooped to Obama's level, like its even Obama's perogative to initiate wars of choice for god-knows what idiotic reasons?

The Neocons, the Jews, the Bankers, and surely not I the idiot voter, are destroying society.  We need a leader with supraexecutive authority to save us from the boogey men whom are plaguing us.

All Heil Obama! Heil! Heil! Heil!

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 13:30 | 5171803 tsuki
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Who said the Democrats are not neo-cons?  Have you listened to Feinstein lately? 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 19:48 | 5169323 Spungo
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Maybe the CIA forgot to tell Obama what his plan was.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 20:34 | 5169441 g speed
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Obama is just a shuck and jiver that is in way over his head-- He hopes his advisers will steer him in the right direction but they are as lost as he is---Obama's  getting gray over this

The congress is full of lawyers so you know how that will go round in circles for ever and get nowhere---

the General staff of the military are slothful and inept at war because they only listen to others of their ilk and earn promotion and advancement from each other-- 

the money interests have a free hand to monopolize  because of gov't corruption and regulatory capture 

political special interests cut the pot to the point that the game is out of money

half the country is in the FSA

Any truth you could expect from any news or journalistic source is gone

History has been rewitten by the blame (insert creed, race, political inclination, etc) educators to insure ignorance 

every situation is analized by experts then modified for expediancy by "finger in the winders" before inevitably wrong action is taken

WHAT THE FUCK COULD POSSIBLE GO WRONG??   in a word the US policy is FUBAR

 

 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 20:07 | 5169380 jacship
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Dr, Ron Paul  2016

Beats Mitt or Sillary

ISis is a local fight ( arab ) in the quick-sand-- no 2 boots

Syria is Syria's problem

Ukraine is Ukrain's problem

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ae0_1408364758

 

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 21:06 | 5169405 alexcojones
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I'm thinking of making a thousand bumper stickers that read:

Ron Paul 2020 - A Man With Vision

I made a small prototype for my old car here, but I just need a larger version

Kindness Generates Kindness : My Ron Paul Roadtrip-
Mon, 09/01/2014 - 20:24 | 5169419 roadhazard
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I vote for, "no strategy". Screw the neo-cons.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 20:44 | 5169455 New American Re...
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This is a good example of the weakness of Ron Paul, and that is he doesn't take his information to its logical conclusion, but jumps forward with assumptions that defy all logic and history; and it has more to do with an inability to see far enough to really lead.  NEWS FLASH: OBAMA HAS A STRATEGY... he just can't tell the American people about it.   He sees ISIS as GOOD, because they make it possible to build a pipeline from the gas fields of Qatar to Turkey and on to Europe.  He doesn't really work for the American people and the fact is Dr. Paul, there is no hope.  Obama's a traitor, get used to it.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 21:17 | 5169549 Omen IV
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He sees all that you say but cannot attack that directly - must be subtle -

He understands more than you give him credit for

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 22:50 | 5169865 therevolutionwas
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Obama is just a sock puppet on a short leash, get used to it.  It is our government that is the traitor.  And while we have been going about our lives THEY have been planning and acting to shape the world to their liking while feeding us BS happy talk to keep us unconcerned and preoccupied with our daily life.  It has been growing and growing these past sixty years to this final crescendo we are witnessing.  What a show!  Keep stacking the gold and silver and making plans.  Good luck on the other side,

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 21:12 | 5169530 Chuck Knoblauch
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More like a prelude to conquest.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 22:04 | 5169634 One World Mafia
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They've been telling us ISIS is coming to get us if we don't stop them in Syria, but resistance is still strong:  Threats of an Obama impeachment for unilaterally taking us to war ad nauseam and heavy pressure from constituents for congress to keep us out of Syria.  Newly-reluctant warmonger and puppet Obama can get around it with false flags that 'force' Obama -- who oddly is off vacation -- to act alone under cover of emergency powers and order the military to route out ISIS in Syria.

Mon, 09/01/2014 - 22:00 | 5169706 f16hoser
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Thank God Obama is a "Dumb Ass Nigga!" It's his Handlers we need to keep an eye on. You know, the ones we need to Hang from a street light after the Revolution is over. Obama is too Stupid and Irrelevant to hold responsible for anything. He reads from a Script. Nuff said...

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 01:44 | 5170178 reset71
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Thank Satan you are a cockroach's dick. If you'd been a real threat we'd  have to tie you in a gas soaked gunny sack and set you alight.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 00:32 | 5170077 dumbStruck
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If 0's lack of strategy is a sign of hope then folks he's been gearing up to deliver on his election promise since his inarrrrggghhheration day.

Grasping at straws ain't no sign of hope !

 

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 02:22 | 5170204 Notsobadwlad
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Articles such as ths make me wonder about Ron. There is an obvious strategy. The strategy has been to create ISIS as a change mechanism for the middle east. Not having a method to fight the thing that you created is a clear part of the strategy. I mean really, what would be the point? They are going to support ISIS in the accomplishment of multiple goals, such as eliminating Assad, an I assume culminating in the epic battle betwween the Islamic world and political zionism clearly laid out in Albert Pike's letter. 

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 07:04 | 5170362 daemon
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Articles such as ths make me wonder about Ron. There is an obvious strategy. The strategy has been to create ISIS as a change mechanism for the middle east.  "

Ron Paul is aware of this. Maybe he is just playing a game: he adopts the " I am an uninformed/ignorant/naive citizen " point of view.  If some neocon takes the risk of attacking him, justifying the interventions, chances are, said neocon will have to reveal part of the true motives behind all this mess.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 07:08 | 5170372 luckystars
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Ronnie knows the truth, he just can't come out and say it.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 10:06 | 5170832 roadhazard
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And that is what makes him just like the rest of them. Say what you mean or STFU.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 03:09 | 5170238 Richard Feynman
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Darren Wilson exonerated. Now the hard-sell begins. How can Obama get the black politicians to BUY into the exoneration??

http://buzzpo.com/darren-wilson-exonerated/

You think RP makes it  look tough, on this Mike Brown deal, OBAMA and the entire black-coalition put all their chips on wrong horse.

Wilson donation fund was used to buy access to juvenile records for $400k, once it was confirmed there was a history; then the high paid lawyer's argued juvenile records be released based on the law in Missouri that once your dead, nothing is hidden.

Now all is out in open and the entire prosecution against Darren Wilson has folded, but HOW IN THE HELL DOES OBAMA sell this to BLACK AMERICA?

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 06:15 | 5170332 daemon
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Perhaps the president will finally stop listening to the neocons and interventionists..... "

The very second he does that, he is dead.

Maybe that would be a great false flag.    Neocons : " The president has been killed by ISIS/Russians,  let's go to war ! "

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 06:58 | 5170361 luckystars
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Barry the Fruit Bat is leaving the door open as Bushmeat did in 2001.

Its obvious the PTB want another false flag on America.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 07:20 | 5170392 Last of the Mid...
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Without a teleprompter backdoor Barry can't even answer a simple question without showing his lower IQ. He is a left wing race baiter supreme and that is it. He cannot function on the world stage and is probably incompetent to try to do so.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 08:40 | 5170514 Bumbu Sauce
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Just.Go.Away.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 09:35 | 5170696 torabora
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If we are going to buy oil and in general trade with them, and allow our and their citizens to go back and forth from there we better be involved in combating IS....or wall the place off and kill anything that tries to get out.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 09:56 | 5170789 Shizzmoney
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Obama and his war hawk cronies want war; but Obama the Democratic candidate (and future speech stumper) cant.  The Dems know that independent voters (ie the majority of us) do NOT want war and will vote for the candidate that is less likely to do so.

What's funny is that alot of the dumb voters think the woman, Hillary, is this person.  Boy, will THEY be in a surprise when she lies her teeth off leading up to 2016, and then once elected, will start wars in Ukraine, Syria, and in Iraq.

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 10:38 | 5170978 Salzburg1756
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We need troops on the ground to fight ISIS. I suggest every present and past senator and their families, every present and past congressman and their families, and everyone who has donated to their campaign funds. They are to be armed and funded by the full extent of their own personal wealth. Each is to go into battle with a TV camera on his/her head. The footage from their cameras is to be used in a TV reality show, whose profits will go to pay off the national debt.

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