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California Minimum-Wage Earners Work 19 Hours-A-Day, 7 Days-A-Week To Afford Rent
Thanks to The Fed-inspired fast-money flood driving up asset prices, owning or even renting a home has become unaffordable to most. Working a 40-hour-week, a single-earner in D.C. would need to be paid a $28.25 minimum wage for afford to rent a home... and if you live in California (and earn minimum wage), you will need to work 18.6 hours-a-day, 7 days-a-week to afford rent. Thank you Ben and Janet...
Of course, if you rent, you have flexibility... perhaps move to Montana instead of earning minimum wage in California or D.C.
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Hawaii is 174
its a wonderful country this usa where you can get as many jobs as you can handle to pay your bills
It would be even better if our children were allowed to work. Maybe then we could get three bedroom shitholes!
Although the comparisons state to state might hold, the statement about "No state can anyone work at minimum wage and rent for 30%" (paraphrase) is absolute hogwash.
If I went out tomorrow I would be hard pressed to FIND a job that payed the minimum wage. Most places start 20-30% above that.
And if the job you have chosen to help pay rent only pays minimum wage maybe you outta be living in a group home.
Maybe the kid flipping those housing signs on the corner makes minimum, but they probably supply dope at least as a fringe benny.
pods
Absolutely right. The assumption underlying this chart is complete BS intended to promote ever increasing minimum wages, thereby eliminating more and more entry jobs or summer jobs for kids.
However, in terms of cost of living or housing the chart may have some value.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/08/31/labors-demise-americas-demise...
Snippet: "The labor unions provided the Democratic Party with a financial base in labor that served as a countervailing power to the Republican base in manufacturing and finance. Whether it was a plot or unintended consequence, jobs offshoring wrecked the industrial and manufacturing unions and destroyed the Democrats’ independent financial base. The two-party system that had maintained a reasonable balance was transformed into a one-party system in which both parties were dependent on the same monied interests and thus answered to the same masters."
Of course, should the minimum wage for the masses increase, the cost of rent won't increase right along with it; right?
Did you read the article asshat? Your question is utterly irrelevant. Look at the bigger picture and stop being an idealogue.
This is the result of Globalization. When people in the US began to import cheap shit products from China, they also imported the standard of living for the average Chinese worker. It just took a while for the effect of the Globalization to really take hold in the US (or any other industrialized nation), but we're seeing it now.
Today, most every labor based job can be be moved over-seas, and the final product delivered in the US for consumption at a cheaper price than making it in the US. The average worker has no choice than to accept the wages and standard of living that is customary in the countries where workers live in cardboard shacks with no running water or sanitation.
You can substitute your favorite 3rd world country for "China" in the paragraph above, and the story is the same.
I hope PCR doesn't mind the cut and pasting:
"The imbalance in the distribution of income and wealth cannot be corrected through the tax system. The imbalance is due largely to the loss of the jobs that provided the economic basis for the middle class. Correction requires a retreat from globalism and the return to a largely self-sufficient economy, which the US economy was during its glory decades. Globalism is a scheme for impoverishing First World labor and taking power and influence from the hands of the many and putting them in the hands of the few. The champions of globalism are the champions of America’s destruction."
Globalism is already here, and there is nothing any of you can do about it. Adapt or die, that is how nature works.
Okay, guy that got free military training on my dime. So what you are really saying is that the sociopaths like you are going to win. They never do in the long term.
This is total absolute bullshit.
Based on only 30% of income for rent on a two bedroom home for a single person. BS, minimum wage means living frugally.
A one bedroom apt in rural Michigan would be about $400 and at a minimum wage of $8.25 would be about 48.5 hrs work. Of course the Gov is going steal some of the wages and there will be utilities, but you are in no position to live like a King.
The article is gibberish written by an idiot with an agenda. Nothing more.
Why are we even having to talk about minimum wage? Oh right, because manufacturing jobs went offshore for the globalists and now we're debating whether minimum wage is sufficient because WE ARE FUCKING IDIOTS.
What's your solution?
I plan to be homeless in Miami. I'll spend my retirement preaching The Gospel and begging for sandwiches. If you see me, throw a buck in my jar.
You'll just spend it on booze.
@Elvis - No one is going to you virus infected angry-sinner web site
"What's your solution?"
There isn't one, unless you have a time machine.
Solution?
Move to Puerto Rico...
[Only 32% of income spent on rent. Yes, I can read the chart...]
[P.S. The assumption that no more than 30% of earnings should be spent on housing is BS. Back in the 'Bad old days' of the 70's & 80's, when the California minimum wage ranged from $2.65 to $3.35, I lived pretty comfortably paying close to 60% of my income on housing. Anyone remember 14%, 30-year fixed mortgages?...]
There was way less crap that required money being spent (cellphone, internet..)
Spending 60% of your income on housing these days is a recipe for disaster.
Sure there is a solution...stop buying foreign crap. Fucking delusionists want to believe they can have union wages while buying foreign made goods and importing foreign labor. Business did not offshore our jobs, we did that. Fucking weak ass excuses for always going for the good deal, the something for nothing, sell your soul for the "deal". Granted our options to foreign goods is limited now and it would be painful to pay the higher domestic price but we have been the ones who have eliminated our jobs. Do not tell me we had no choice.
And as far as this illusion that wages could simply rise if corporations would earn less income, how many people work for these companies and of those who would pay these minimum wage, which ones are killing it right now. It seems that most fast food company revenues are falling and even Walmart seems to be in decline. Its like you leftist fucktards truly believe money comes from heaven. As a small business person I know of no one personally making a killing and none of theme are paying anything close to minimum wage. Why aren't we talking about all those who are not working at all? We are all paying their "wages" and there is no incentive for them to ever return to productive work. We have opened the doors to globalist competition while every country in the world is doing everything they can to ignore it. Its just bullshit.
Fucking utopia is always paid for by someone else.
You seem to be missing part of this picture. A higher minimum wage would be more likely to lower your taxes than to raise them. Workers earning very low wages are eligible for goverment benefits paid for with your tax dollars. Also if workers receive higher wages it follows that they would pay more in taxes, theoretically meaning the rest of us could pay in less (not that we will ever see that).
I get the small business argument, but Wal-mart is hardly a small business. Maybe take the already extant 50 employee cap and allow businesses under 50 employees to pay a lower minimum and ratchet up slower while starting larger companies at a higher minimum and ratchet them up quicker.
Sure, business will pass through as much of their increased expense as possible. But the would also presumably benefit from increased demand as lower wage workers spend pretty much every dime they get.
By my rough calculation we need a minimum wage of $11.59 an hour. With the new normal work week of 29.5 hours/52 weeks that would put an individual worker right above 150% of the federal poverty line and disqualify them from a lot of government programs. Of course a single parent at that wage would still qualify, OTOH, a two income family likely would not.
If your business can't turn a profit without wages subsidized by government programs then maybe you need to rethink your business.
"What's your solution?"
Have the state's legislators take back their Senate, which was unlawfully taken from them by the unconctitutional 17th non-amendment. Release to the public domain all patents and copyrights held by all industries that offshored their production, slap a tarif of 150% on all goods they import into this country and revoke their corporate charter. Bust up the monopoloy know as WalMart. Require banks to carry 100% reserves, no more bank credit/debt as currency.
@Oscar,
Finally! Someone with a clear idea of needs to be done.
Or we could just put everyone in jail if they don't behave "correctly". We should have always had protectionism. It is stupid that we tax our businesses at the highest rate in the world while not taxing imports at all. Its just stupid. Short of forcing people to buy domestic products, market realities will always drive us to the lowest cost product. You cannot blame business for giving us what we ask for. We have watched while every American made manufacturer has been crushed by foreign competition unless they get government protection, but that protection has not come at a cost to foreign companies and production but to the taxpayers as we our taxes are grafted back to connected businesses. There is no market and unless you actually attempt to run a business you have no fucking idea. Our government has fostered this dependency class of citizens that only want a good job (rather than creating their own) and cheap goods (purchased for some third world country or person), all subsidized through redistribution and debt, which the left still sees as the only solution.
a nice bowl of pho, some spring rolls, and the free electric band.
fish tacos, beans and rice, and the free electric band.
bread and water and the free electric band.
Bariffs and Terriers like every other country engages in except the US
I'm a landlord asswad.
My single greatest expense is the cost of government and that is paid for by the renters to feed the parasites.
I envy manufacturers that move offshore to a more hospitable business climate.
I wonder how much rent you could get if the fed hadn't juiced housing.
A minimum wage worker should be: going to high school, living with parents, getting an understanding of working/reward/business, and trying to figure out how to climb off the first rung of the wage ladder.
There should be no one older than 18-22 working for minimum wage.
There is a reason the rent is $400 / mo, and it's because no one lives there and there are no jobs. And forget working for anything better since there is fuckall around. Nice life, that, 40 years of minimum wage and a shit apartment.
You have to be pretty retarded or have no work ethic to work at minimum wage for 40 years. And this has never been a country to reward the stupid. This has always been a country that rewards cleverness or risk-taking.
Horseshit. This country rewards connections and lineage.
True.
This country rewards those who support those who are in control.
Let's be succinct:
This country rewards sycophants, toadies, lackeys, yes-men and brown-nosers.
As every country ever has, but that is only to convince you that it is pointless to try. I call all of you idiots if you believe that every person who has worked and struggled to get ahead is somehow "sycophants, toadies, lackeys, yes-men and brown-nosers". Just because you may be a fucking slacker loser who would rather roll a joint than break a sweat, does not mean that everyone else who does is somehow corrupt. Sure there is plenty of corruption and yes it is richly rewarded, but you are a fool if you think the answer is to sit on your ass and whine. Life is fucking hard...it always has been. Look the fuck around and explain to me how life is so much worse than it was a hundred years ago. Lets act like grownups and take responsibility for our own life and not waste it pissing about crooks and thieves. These fuckers can only survive when we play it their way. Stop borrowing money, stop buying worthless shit and especially stop buying the constant marketing to our lowest base emotions.
Seniority as well. Eliminaate seniority in Congress, and none of those assholes would want to spend the rest of their lives in Congress.
The bankers, CEOs, Board of Directors & executive mgmnt of large corporations, and politicians have been very clever and have been richly rewarded.
First of all, a nice place to live in will not make a POS person less of a POS person. Judging by your comment about minimum wage and a shit apartment, you are one of those people. If someone wants a better place to live then get motivated enough to afford it. That's their choice.
Second, the cost of government and Fed printing at least doubles the cost of living.
Try waking up before you die, because after that, you won't have a chance to.
http://www.atr.org/happy-cost-government-day-america-workers-toil-186-da...
In 2014, Cost of Government Day falls on July 6.This day marks the point during the year when the average American has earned enough income to pay for his or her share of the spending and regulatory burdens imposed by government at the federal, state and local levels. While Americans may be celebrating Independence Day on July 4, they are still working to pay for the full cost of government until the end of the weekend. This will be the sixth consecutive year that COGD will fall in July; prior to President Obama taking office, COGD had never fallen after June 27.
You don't even understand my points.
I just find it odd that you bitch about taxes but were bailed out on your investment by the government.
I'm sure you bought property a long time ago or inherited it and have no idea what it means to save $100K from scratch.
But whatever, bootstraps and all of that.
If anything, my solution to all of this is deflation. Just let housing deflate to wages and everything will equal out. But you'll lose money, so I'm sure your "principals" won't allow it.
So yes, everyone should work harder to pay for your investment that the government bailed you on.
Here is your post:
"There is a reason the rent is $400 / mo, and it's because no one lives there and there are no jobs. And forget working for anything better since there is fuckall around. Nice life, that, 40 years of minimum wage and a shit apartment."
What the f ck does that snide comment have to do with your supposed "points"?
BTW The government didn't bail me on shit. FO government lover.
Anusocracy: "A one bedroom apt in rural Michigan would be about $400 and at a minimum wage of $8.25 would be about 48.5 hrs work. Of course the Gov is going steal some of the wages and there will be utilities..."
So given those caveats, and the fact that people have to work til May before they get to keep one penny of what they earn, you're basically concluding, like the article, that people would have to work around 80 to 100 hours on min. wage to earn rent...
Are you congenitally or purposefully obtuse.
The rent cost has THE COST OF GOVERNMENT BUILT INTO IT.
Just like all private sector costs in the US.
This:
"Correction requires a retreat from globalism and the return to a largely self-sufficient economy"
Don't worry folks, Peak Oil will fix this problem soon enough!
When it costs more to ship the container of crap here from China, then the worth of the entire contents of said container, this problem will sort itself quickly.
You may be right, but a lot of damage can be done between then and now.
I don't mind working a few extras a week - as long as it means the bankers, politicos, illegals and other assorted ticks don't go hungry.
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Just ran the numbers on PAs minimum wage - it's 7.25.
So for one 2 bedroom I rent it would take 72.5 hours not the claimed 96; furthermore the renter in question drives truck and makes 22 per hour, has access to OT and his wife works part time.
Right now they are house hunting...
Really. What part of Penna?. Not Phila and suburb. Maybe some rural area, not some populated area.
"the jobs that provided the economic basis for the middle class"
Swing and a miss. This is one free-market myth that really can't die fast enough.
"return to a largely self-sufficient economy"
Yeah, look how well that worked out for the USSR, Cambodia, North Korea.
Worked fine for the USA.
Don't forget that during our 'glory days' we were virtually the only source of industry for about a thirty year period. Most every other nation was still rebuilding from WWII. This allowed a lot of american industry (i.e. cars, appliances, etc) to degrade in standard that, when the japanese brought their vision of a car over, our auto industry was rocked to their foundation.
We started to see just how shitty that 'proudly union made' product really was. And we began to question which day of the week cars were built on. Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday vehicles were preferred.
That mindset is still in play at thousands of Wal-Marts today.
Total horsehit, or do you believe it takes 30 years to build a factory. Globalist propaganda. The middle class thrived because there was a labor movement. The globalists who love Ayn Rand, have created this lie that America prospered despite -- and not because of -- a labor movement will tell you it takes 30 years to build a factory. Which do you think is true? Does it really take 30 years to build a factory? Or does it take 30 years to convince a bunch of idiot sheep that CEOs know best and we should offshore.
Very true words, Say What Again, that hasn't been stated enough here on ZH: "they also imported the standard of living for the average Chinese worker."
Which is why and how the U.S. is rapidly becoming a 3rd country. From your other posts on this thread, I anticipate "what's your solution?": move to SE Asia, marry a hot chick, have a family, and live happily ever after.
Check out Thailand. Hot chicks, tropical beaches, and good food. And to keep you entertained, they have a new government & currency evry 4 to 6 years.
'Americans' have been pushing hard for globalization. 'Americans'have made globalization.
I didn't know a single working American in the 1980's and early 1990's calling for globalization of manufacturing. Only politicians, corporate mouthpieces and their minions in the press were.
You are correct regarding globalization. However, if you haven't noticed already, you will get demonized and ridiculed by the many who have been brainwashed by the message globalization-is-good for 20 years straight now. Even during the times of the great expanse of Britain's empire around the world they didn't actually move the means of production from their nation to other nations' to sell back into britain, they did the 'old fashioned' exploitation of natural resources in the nations they controlled.
LetThemEatRand Did you read the article asshat? Your question is utterly irrelevant. Look at the bigger picture and stop being an idealogue.
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As if you aren't an ideologue? We all are and the fact that you don't realize that you are one also makes you worse then an asshat.
LetThemEatRand http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/08/31/labors-demise-americas-demise...
Snippet: "The labor unions provided the Democratic Party with a financial base in labor that served as a countervailing power to the Republican base in manufacturing and finance. Whether it was a plot or unintended consequence, jobs offshoring wrecked the industrial and manufacturing unions and destroyed the Democrats’ independent financial base. The two-party system that had maintained a reasonable balance was transformed into a one-party system in which both parties were dependent on the same monied interests and thus answered to the same masters."
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And what that type of thinking ignores is basic market laws.
Let's say that jobs were not off shored. Let's say that manufacturing had to be done locally. What do you do when a foreign competitor makes the same product with equivalent quality at a lower price? You go out of business or you have to cut costs (like lowering wages).
It has nothing to do with a two party system. It is basic economics.
NO NO NO. You add protectionist tarriffs to keep the outsiders goods above the cost of goods produced at home. I don't understand why this is so hard.
PROTECTIONIST is not a 4 letter word.
People are missing the point. No-one works at a minimum wage job in California. They all get government support, great housing, health insurance, and tuition for the kids. Free.
Sounds great, unless you actually want to do anything.
Lots of people work for minimum wage in Ca...granted the state also sends them food stamps and gives them subsidized housing so they can support they're worthless boyfriend sitting at home playing Xbox and smoking weed while he's thinking he is Da Man because he just got rims for his 1995 V6 Camaro thats primered gray.
100+ hour work week just to make ends meet. The Rothchilds of the world seem to be doing OK, but wage-earners, fuck 'em right? I've noticed that the "free market" is reserved for the serfs.
How? The previous comment means that the minimal wage is already 20 to 30 pc higher than the minimal wage set by the government.
Why should they push for something that has already happened?
"The assumption underlying this chart is complete BS
intended to promote ever increasing minimum wages"
You are correct, but your underlying assumptions are also BS.
Even 20-30% higher typical wages don't cover
rents with 40 hours. With earned income tax credits and other
available benefits,the true minimum wage is much
higher.
Business opposes raising the minimum wage because they
hope to get away with lower wage costs by tax evasion.
The present minimum wage doesn't begin to pay accepted
contractual social costs. For example, local tomato pickers
haven't received a real raise in many years. Repetitive motion
injuries will insure that many will end up on disability/welfare
long before theirproductive years are over.
Atomistic competitionis us driving wages worldwide to the
subsistence level. The lesson of Henry Ford, who raised
wages to a level supporting a middle class lifestyle is largely
lost on employers. The world is ripe for a cycle of labor
organising that will likely culminate with the 1% facing the
firing squad or the guillotine.
By no means am I saying minimum wage needs to be increased, but its simply not true for most people that its possible to find a job in a few days that pays a 30% premium on minimum wage. Sure, on that timeline you could find a job in fast food or at walmart, but those would be a quarter or two over minimum wage. If you happen to live in an area with construction going on and are a dude in decent shape, I have no arguement, but thats not everyone.
My take away is that debt is too easy to get and housing is in a bubble. The comparison to minimum wage just demonstrates how badly the govt has mismanaged our economy.
Actuaally, the fallacy is they "think" they can manage an economy while still being an active participant in it. You can't without isolating yourself and losing any real perspective of how the economy actually functions.
Kings and Queens only care about functioning economies as far as it affects them and their ability to make war.
You just explained why the country is so screwed. Instead of fighting for employment, even Walmart jobs, and living frugally, the unemployed in this country vote for Socialists who promise freebies. "Under my healthcare plan, the average family of four will save $2,000 a year"- Obama. Then this same, lazy not-in-labor-force group votes for politicians who have no problem with a porous border, which brings another million people every year into the labor pool. These new arrivals also vote for Socialists and happen to have the highest birth rate. Socialism, within American culture, is a cancer. Maybe it works in some homogeneous countries that are highly educated, but here it is fucking things up. The ironic feature of capitalism is that when people compete, through the sweat and tears, a better life can be created for oneself. What is better, taking the Walmart job, working your way up, making it for yourself, or sitting in your govment housing in your PJ's, eating fruity loops, bitching about TPTB?
Do you really believe that 99.99% of America is lazy? Because that's the group that have lost the most ground in the last 40 years under changing regimes that all suggest that trickle down economics works, including Obama.
What????
While I agree with most all you said, lets not forget the plight of teenaged hopfuls with a desire to enter an entry level position. They are met with a wash of ice cold reality when they realize that Politicians saved them from the horrible plights of working unfair jobs in the 1990's and opened the borders so the kid now has to speak, "insert langauge of your choice here" in order to even ask for an application. Perhaps the thng to do for employers, to save the feelings of our entitled youth, would be to put applications on the menu so they could order a number Uno...and not feel completely useless.
"work will set you free"
(hail hitler fed reserve)
Thank you, incompetent corrupt, arrogant narcissistic illegal indonesian kenyan alien muslim sociopathic pathological lying fudge packer.
And..for all of you "taxpayers" on either coast....
Look at the "subsidy" of the fucking Mid-West, low-IQ, blowhard, right-wing, "holier-than-thou" blobs....
If we boiled them all down, there would be more fucking energy in their fat-bellied asses than all of the Middle East!
All in favor?
I'm bullish on Lard-ass and Tallow derivatives...!!!!
The Midwest is great for smart, in shape, libertarians.
Where else would I live like a king for 90k/year.
You sound jealous.
That may sound high but in Hawaii, a 2-bdrm condo can sleep 8 or more; so divide by 4 and surprise, 43.5 is cheaper than even Puerto Rico!
Mexicans must not be too good at math because they keep flooding in and Cal's Gov keeps welcoming them. I guess reality kinda sucks when you finally realize.
I think its because Mexico is marginally worse. However, that will soon change when Foxconn builds a new factory complete with suicide netting on the exterior.
California will once again be the industrial capitol of the world.
How funny is it that Kalifornianz pride themselves over Telsa's manufacturing being there... yet they never mention all the tax incentives and 3 layers of government subsidies it takes to make those 30k cars per year. Drop the advantages and that company goes bye bye. Or, relocates to say... Texas.
"How funny is it that Kalifornianz"
Who the fuck are you to say what "Californians" pride themselves on???
How many decades of tax subsidy did GM and Ford get you boneheaded dolt! Bbbbdbedadahh...
Yeah, that's what I thought....
You dumbass Cal bashers think it's "cool" to slam "the" highest revenue-producing state that we have???
Fucking traitor-ass loser....you don't know how lucky you are to even be remotely affiliated with all the the fucking-hard working people of the state....
Not like "feet-up" Connecticut or NY....all fags and no work make "Dr. Strangemember" a dull, infected, syphylis-brained moron.....but I guess you know that....
California generating the amount of revenue that it does is largely a result of the cost of living.
The thing that concerns me about California are those miles and miles of warehouses in San Bernardino filled with fresh-off-the-boat-from-china 'goods' ready to be shipped out to the happy face stores around the nation.
Rent where?
Watts? Compton?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d1JVbf7Wd4
Bell Gardens
You could rent in Riverside and commute to LA to work at a junkyard. Now that sounds like the good life.
...don't make me get a couple of "pipe-hittin' niggas" and get midieval on yo' ass....
Who would ever want to "rent in Riverside"....
You could also rent in Alabama....same thing....and a lot cheaper...
What does "midieval" mean?
And if you're gonna quote the master, at least get it right;
Marsellus Wallace: "What now? I'll tell you what now. I'm gonna call a couple of hard-pipe hittin' niggas to go to work on the homes here with a pair of pliers and a blow-torch."
Hard to have any empathy for anyone in California...
In fact, for me, it's impossible.
Relocate!
I got out in 2004... never been back since... don't miss that liberal fake freedom hell-hole one bit. That state is DONE!
I was thinking about moving to CA, but based on your comments I'm going to look at other states. Which do you recommend?
Probably one where you can buy a 1000 sq ft house in a mediocre neighborhood making $20/hr, which is what anyone with half a brain can do by 30.
Depends on which California. There are about a dozen. In towns around the north woods a starter house can still be had for around $135 to $150 k.
Don't know anyone around here that makes minimum wage, but if one could settle for that, it would be better to live somewhere with a lower cost of living.
Forget California.
Everyone there, vote with your feet, and say goodbye forever.
OK, I'll vote with my feet. What state do you recommend I move to?
Alaska
Depends on what you are looking for. Do you want to live in city/burbs with affordable houses, low taxes, low crime, good schools? Or are you looking more for things like arable land, clean water, IOW good off grid conditions?
If you are serious you might try a site called findyourspot.
Seems to be a lot of folks who do not realize that no one in California is actually working 19 hours a day, 7 days a week, to pay rent.
They are being subsidized by other taxpayers.
And as moochers, they believe they are entitled to live where they want at a price they can afford.
The moochers should stay.
The producers still left in California are really the ones that should leave.
what state has the least percentage of moochers?
Duh...the "coasts".....NY, California, Washington, NJ.....
and what "moocher" state do you live in????
Moochers = the states that get "MORE" than $1 of "Federal Services" (EBT, Welfare, Military)...for each $1 they "pay"....
Very few states can "pay" $1 worth of taxes to equal the $1 they "get"....
Yeah, let's all hear from the blowhard, lard-asses who listen to Rush all day and bash the hand that feeds them...."California"...and the "Mexicans" that Delware corps (DBA Cal corps) hire....
Keep proving that you bashers have no brain...bash the workers....pat the fucking Monopoly Corps on the back...and collect your Gubbmint Mo Money...
Good gig....blame the victim...when you "are" the traitor pig....
You have a lot of anger bottled inside. I didn't bash you, or your ideas. But let it all out, and keep cursing, if that makes you feel better.
Wait. I'm confused. Are the moochers the ones who work for a living, or the ones who shift the costs of employment to the state?
good place to bug out after taxes are finished though. Anywhere Northwest in fact.
"Seems to be a lot of folks..."
...says the fucking Satanist (ejmoosa)....
....what, no children left to molest? and sacrifice...?
Yeah, the midwest is better for you....more chicken and methhead parents....
Nothing but wealth transfer from those without to those who have. Good fucking job.
Well, whats left of the "middle class" is getting their pockets picked from both sides at the end of the states gun barrel so both the uber rich and the poor know that in order to keep the blood nozzle stuck in the middle class they need to keep voting for a pay raise thus The End.
Agree. The main drive of the fed was to save banks and homeowners, and anyone else gets the shaft. Also included are small businesses who lease space, which is never really discussed. Low income earners will just get a pittance more, which won't matter because it'll all go to rent and they will never own anything.
One word for those that live in CA...
Move
"One word for those that live in CA...Move"
I prefer if they stay in CA. We don't need Liberials and Socalism-paths to spread their disease everywhere. CA should be undert tight quarentee so they disease can dieoff.
And for that, I vote you a thumbs up. All well said
Where is this promised land you talk about?
"CA should be undert tight quarentee so they disease can dieoff."
Well, I must say you do sound like a product of our fine state's public education.
Miffed;-)
+ Miffed.
I could tell stories about what I ended up getting as responders to Help Wanted ads I placed over the years,,,but I won't.
@AGuy,
"CA should be undert tight quarentee so they disease can dieoff." [sic]
It looks like some strange disease in your geo-location (clearly other than CA) has entered your cranial orifice and has diminished your ability to consummate verbs or write beyond the 2nd grade level. Should we "quarentee" you?
Or perhaps english is a second language for you.
"I prefer if they stay in CA. We don't need Liberials and Socalism-paths to spread their disease everywhere. CA should be undert tight quarentee so they disease can dieoff."
No no no,
Let the productive ppl flee the state. Things will get more fun to watch that way.
You are both fucking idiots...
...who have never been to, or known anyone "from" California....your fucking "breadbasket"...
Not that your lard-asses have ever seen a vegetable or StairMaster....
Nope, 46"-waisted, blowhard, bellicose, loudmouths who are desperate for attention and "approval"...from real men....
Sad....it's "one" fucking country...and the biggest producing state in the union doesn't need leeching, fat, low IQ loud mouths like you.....
Yeah, I remember the 1979 TV commercial too...."you're makin' 30???" (amazed)....clap, clap, clap....ha, ha, haaa.....you "made "it....
MAJESTIC 12......... you totally get on my nerves. I feel so sorry for your wife. Please give her my condolences.
And another thing. You have been here a grand total of one month. Please sit back and learn a little before you go "all in". It may save you some embarrassment down the road. I consider that this may be needed advice to you in your daily life as well.
For this to be fair, minimum wage would have to be "Fair Market Minimum Wage".
Sounds like apples and Pomegranates.
Also, why the fanaticism with the 30% and not some base minimum dollar amount?
the state just passed its own min wage bill and some cities have passed their own min wage bills. i am thinking that all this might do is draw more retired boomers back into the labor market and in that way its a good thing, because the older generation has a set of values, honesty, and they think the customer comes first. so when they press the kids, the kids know they have to deliver the same thing the old hire would give, or lose their job. a lot of older workers get some satisfaction from teaching these values to young workers. as a young worker i remember seeing older workers getting screwed, getting fired the day before they retired for no reason. being replaced by the bosses nephew (after the old guy trained them). so old workers can teach young workers to stand up for themselves, to organize, to call out a lazy or corrupt boss. so old workers have a role to fulfill. and a lot of them want to work.
I love handing over $1.56 cents for a $1.18 item [for example] and watching the puzzled look on the Yutes face behind the counter. I can imagine his math teachers are real proud of him and will do anything [including falsifying his grade] to boost him to the next grade and out of their class.
Throw in some foreign coins (I use Australian and Sigaporean) as well and really fry their pea brain.
Pretend you don't speak English: to any question I gesticulate and say "HOOME-tau" - and make it louder each time you repeat it.
Ha! I like to pull out a Susan B or a $2 bill once in a while, for intertainment.
why would you give a dollar, 2 quarters a nickel and a penny to get back a quarter and a dime.
4 dimes and 3 pennies is the better choice..
FYI..I do the same shit too :)
"so old workers can teach young workers to stand up for themselves, to organize, to call out a lazy or corrupt boss."
They'll just get fired for that, these are low-skill jobs.
All Russia has to do is supply the US under-class with guns ammo and RPGs and the rest is history.
Hmmm RPGs vs. EBTs...
Wonder which is more appealing to the unterklass?
Santa Monica CA is a great place to live in your van or camper.
Seriously, I did for about a year. Nice quiet street.
Then I took off on a year-long windsurfing safari in "Tinkerbelle"
My Vintage VW van pictured here.
Bumper Stickers I'd Love to See
Hollywood Three's Company sequel. A guy pretending to be gay, one dyke, and a moody blonde that cannot get laid. Living in a car.
All in the comfort of a Santa Monica GM Minivan with driving eyes distraction sensors.
Robot Pepper can strike out the $15/hr minimum labor wage. Joe Biden can continue his rise in labor union necessity. He son, Hunter can wage war with Ukraine to sell off the high US NATGAS inventories. Building a new gas pipeline is one air strike away.
What is your take on this, Bathhouse Barry?
"I'd like to pay you less, but its against the law" Chris Rock on the minimum wage.
Here is a job listing that was just posted on a list that I am on. Now don't get me wrong: I think minimum wage laws destroy jobs. But the rent for a studio apartment around here is $3,200/month. I am guessing that this job would absolutely require a car. Cars are expensive everywhere, but truly expensive to own here. What could someone do with $15/hour, 15 hours per week? Okay, okay, it's a starter job for someone. But still, this amount of money would go nowhere around here.
Hi, a senior entrepreneur colleague of mine has a part time opportunity (please use contact info below):Part-Time, Real Estate Management OpportunityMorgan Manor property management company has an exciting job with flexible hours.No prior experience required.Characteristics of ideal candidate:Quick learner,
Attention to detail,
Organized,
Customer service oriented,
Flexible,
Good communication skills - written and verbal,
Good judgment,
Responsive,
Knows how to send and receive texts,
Comfortable working with numbers.Salary: $15.00 / hour.Hours: Approximately 15 per week.Work Location: close to Community Center in Palo Alto
LOL! $15 an hour and 15 hours a week in Palo Alto. They can sleep under an overpass and maybe have enough for one meal at McDonalds a day.
Evey F**k in Palo Alto probably votes Democrat and would vote for Obama until they died if he kept running. Not like we have real elections. They voted for open borders, the invasion and the DESTRUCTION of the middle class in Calif. F them!
Post the link; I'm on vacation next week and will take pleasure in fucking with the guy.
"Well I'm in PA ... Do you provide relocation expenses?"
Do they need to be shaven, wear clean clothes and taken a shower within the last month or so?
I know someone making $185k a yr. He sleeps in his car. Works 14hr a day.
Seriously, if you're not working at least 60 hours a week, just kill yourself. What the fvck else are you doing with your life?? Fvcking shitbags everywhere.
Seriously, it's hard to tell if you're /sarc or if you have a carotid artery blockage.
Your friend might have an unhealthy obsession with the one armed bandit, blow, smack, or hookers. (Or, all of the above.)
Don't know.what your deal is....
I figured out real young, since I was not college bound, by choice, I'd best enter a trade doing something that would be needed regardless of what the economy was doing.
++ Buster.
I found all I had to be was the low bidder, then scramble for a way to come out of the job in the black.
YEa, 2 or 3 divorces with alamony will do that.
I work in a job like that, and know others that do so. Some work in CA and live in alternate states. They get home every two weeks or so and may work remote for a few days or just return to CA for another stint. Some live in RVs or some fleabag hotel for the few hours they sleep while on duty.
This is the new normal for specialist high tech workers.
I know a number of people who do it too. I nicknamed it the "Nomadic Economy"
Work yourself to death just to live, or say fuckit and just live off the tit.
A false dichotomy if there ever was one.
Antidotes:
A- STEM education.
B- Survival education.
C- Faith.
D- All of the above.
The best answer is D.
Most of STEM is shit but computers, (not IT), is great.
Usually it is work yourself to death until they lay you off and then you live on the teet.
minimum wage = minimum skills. Take up a trade and you'll never have to worry about work or minimum wage again. I was a machinist for 22 years, retired at 50. If I need to go back to work, I could pick and choose where I wanted to work and could easily make $20-$25 an hour. Many shops still offer full time with bennies. If I wanted to invest in a lathe, a mill and a few tools, I could charge $50-$60 and hour. Add in a little welding and it goes to $80. Auto mechanics, small engine repair, motorcycle repair all can be done out of your garage with minimal tools and pays well. Around here, I could make a killing fixing chainsaws, lawn mowers and weed whackers.
Minimum wage=minimum skills. Don't have minimum skills, problem solved.
Becoming an automechanic these days is not particularly easy. Cars are not like they were in 1980 when you retired.