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Guest Post: How Can You Tell Whether Russia Has Invaded Ukraine?
Submitted by Dmitry Orlov via ClubOrlov blog,
Last Thursday the Ukrainian government, echoed by NATO spokesmen, declared that the the Russian military is now operating within Ukraine's borders. Well, maybe it is and maybe it isn't; what do you know? They said the same thing before, most recently on August 13, and then on August 17, each time with either no evidence or fake evidence. But let's give them the benefit of the doubt.
You be the judge. I put together this helpful list of top ten telltale signs that will allow you to determine whether indeed Russia invaded Ukraine last Thursday, or whether Thursday's announcement is yet another confabulation. (Credit to Roman Kretsul).
Because if Russia invaded on Thursday morning, this is what the situation on the ground would look like by Saturday afternoon.
1. Ukrainian artillery fell silent almost immediately. They are no longer shelling residential districts of Donetsk and Lugansk. This is because their locations had been pinpointed prior to the operation, and by Thursday afternoon they were completely wiped out using air attacks, artillery and ground-based rocket fire, as the first order of business. Local residents are overjoyed that their horrible ordeal is finally at an end.
2. The look of military activity on the ground in Donetsk and Lugansk has changed dramatically. Whereas before it involved small groups of resistance fighters, the Russians operate in battalions of 400 men and dozens of armored vehicles, followed by convoys of support vehicles (tanker trucks, communications, field kitchens, field hospitals and so on). The flow of vehicles in and out is non-stop, plainly visible on air reconnaissance and satellite photos. Add to that the relentless radio chatter, all in Russian, which anyone who wants to can intercept, and the operation becomes impossible to hide.
3. The Ukrainian military has promptly vanished. Soldiers and officers alike have taken off their uniforms, abandoned their weapons, and are doing their best to blend in with the locals. Nobody thought the odds of the Ukrainian army against the Russians were any good. Ukraine's only military victory against Russia was at the battle of Konotop in 1659, but at the time Ukraine was allied with the mighty Khanate of Crimea, and, you may have noticed, Crimea is not on Ukraine's side this time around.
4. There are Russian checkpoints everywhere. Local civilians are allowed through, but anyone associated with a government, foreign or domestic, is detained for questioning. A filtration system has been set up to return demobilized Ukrainian army draftees to their native regions, while the volunteers and the officers are shunted to pretrial detention centers, to determine whether they had ordered war crimes to be committed.
5. Most of Ukraine's border crossings are by now under Russian control. Some have been reinforced with air defense and artillery systems and tank battalions, to dissuade NATO forces from attempting to stage an invasion. Civilians and humanitarian goods are allowed through. Businessmen are allowed through once they fill out the required forms (which are in Russian).
6. Russia has imposed a no-fly zone over all of Ukraine. All civilian flights have been cancelled. There is quite a crowd of US State Department staffers, CIA and Mossad agents, and Western NGO people stuck at Borispol airport in Kiev. Some are nervously calling everyone they know on their satellite phones. Western politicians are demanding that they be evacuated immediately, but Russian authorities want to hold onto them until their possible complicity in war crimes has been determined.
7. The usual Ukrainian talking heads, such as president Poroshenko, PM Yatsenyuk and others, are no longer available to be interviewed by Western media. Nobody quite knows where they are. There are rumors that they have already fled the country. Crowds have stormed their abandoned residences, and were amazed to discover that they were all outfitted with solid gold toilets. Nor are the Ukrainian oligarchs anywhere to be found, except for the warlord Igor Kolomoisky, who was found in his residence, abandoned by his henchmen, dead from a heart attack. (Contributed by the Saker.)
8. Some of the over 800,000 Ukrainian refugees are starting to stream back in from Russia. They were living in tent cities, many of them in the nearby Rostov region, but with the winter coming they are eager to get back home, now that the shelling is over. Along with them, construction crews, cement trucks and flatbeds stacked with pipe, cable and rebar are streaming in, to repair the damage from the shelling.
9. There is all sorts of intense diplomatic and military activity around the world, especially in Europe and the US. Military forces are on highest alert, diplomats are jetting around and holding conferences. President Obama just held a press conference to announce that “We don't have a strategy on Ukraine yet.” His military advisers tell him that his usual strategy of “bomb a little and see what happens” is not likely to be helpful in this instance.
10. Kiev has surrendered. There are Russian tanks on the Maidan Square. Russian infantry is mopping up the remains of Ukraine's National Guard. A curfew has been announced. The operation to take Kiev resembled “Shock and Awe” in Baghdad: a few loud bangs and then a whimper.
Armed with this list, you too should be able to determine whether or not Russia has invaded Ukraine last Thursday.
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Yatsenyuk? I wouldn't trust him to manage the local Jew-elry store, little weasel fuck
But Yatz looks so Glory To The Heroes heroic when he clicks his heels and salutes the banderatards.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LNQpnIL1aQw/UxS5bj68BwI/AAAAAAAAAzA/TvdJneILep...
Check point Charlie.
When they stopped talking about it. Like Ebola.
#11. Choomboy takes a (very brief) break from his golfing to explain to everybody how the media is exagerating the problem.
#0. Da Newz is running 24/7 with actual satellite photos showing real columns and troops and such.
/And not from no Digital Globe outlet neither. Da good stuff. High res.
Amazing pic.
"Top 10 telltale signs"
I'm voting for #1,
11. Ask a "Ukrianian Bumblefuck" how they plan on staying warm this winter, and what do you get? A blank stare.
Whoa, then it's a good thing that you're "THE Blank Stare!" :>D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywfzniko4vQ
Correction: pseudo-banderatards. If they would be the real ones, they would not accept Jews as their Ukrainian masters.
From which video and from when is this pic?
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I'm not really sure. This particular version of the pic is from a site on blogspot which has too many crappy javascripts to load, so I used wget to grab the html and found the direct link to the image.
The oldest version I've seen is from February 28 here:
http://euromaydan.in/2014/02/28/yatsenyuk-doing-an-nazi-salute-klitschko...
Disclaimer: some sites claim it is a fake or is taken out of context, so it may actually be a picture of Putin, since he's The New Hitler®.
"Yatsenyuk?"
Better yet, I think that pencil-necked, cowardly beat-up schoolboy has a wood chipper with his name on it somewhere....
Weasel Fuck smoothy.....
If the Kiev government ceases to exist; and radio Kiev broadcasts patriotic Russian Music; Russia invaded. Otherwise, not.
This card game is getting old. Time to up-the-ante.
Funny you say that. Russia at some point will realize that war is unavoidable and may just preemptively strike.
You know that option has been discussed, and is still on the table.
Its not good to back an angry bear into a corner.
Clearly we need to be downvoted for discussing this very real possibility.
I was thinking about your namesake this morning. I was thinking about Obama thinking about thinking about forming a policy - after some 12 years of US military involvement in the area. I thought about how Churchill shortly after France fell to the Nazis sent a significant naval force into French Algiers (?) where perhaps 50% of the French fleet was holed up. I recalled how he sent in a high level officer with a note to the French admiral - you can either : 1) scuttle your fleet yourself, 2) come join us in the fight against the Nazis, 3) sail to a neutral port and mothball your fleet for the duration of hostilities, or 4) have us blow you to smithereenes unless you pick one of the first three options within two hours. What was that? You are offended by the way you are being treated!?! One hour has gone by, what say you? What was that!?!? Piss up a rope!?! OK. One French fleet sent to the bottom ith about 1,500 French sailor deaths. Hey!!! But they saved their pride.
So like....Obama sat on his thumb while ISIS overran a Syrian air field. He wouldn't follow Churchill's example and blow up the Syrian planes 1/2 hour before the ISIS scum arrived. The 250 massacred Syrian Air Force personnel probably would have preferred to have died that way instead of being marched naked into the desert and shot individually.
But Obama has to think up a policy. Couldn't do what Churchill did because....it was so Churchilian, and he already sent the bust back. That would be like admitting he was wrong.
Obama has been given everything he's ever 'attained'. Except when he attained a buzz, and he was probably given the choom to begin with. He has no character or balls to work for anything beyond what is handed him.
" He wouldn't follow Churchill's example and blow up the Syrian planes 1/2 hour before the ISIS scum arrived."
Another supporter of statism? Get the fuck out of everyone else's backyards!
I think that Ron Paul stated that it might be the best thing that Obama, and let's be clear here, we're talking about an entire administration and it's controllers (not just the puppet), can do is to not have a plan, not to do anything! Again, stay the fuck out!
I hear what you are saying. Ron Paul has a point. If we interfere, when/where does it end? What international referee is keeping time and score. Would that we had never toppled: 1) the Shah, 2) Mubarak, 3) Gahdaffi, 4) Saddam, etc. Thank goodness Putin kept us from toppling Assad.
Maybe best to just keep giving ISIS a little radiation and chemo therapy - you know - you can't destroy the cancer, but you can beat the tumor size down. Destroy the big infrastructure - especially oil transport. Then tell the Kurds, syrians, Saudis, Sunnis, Shia to go fix their own damn problems in their own back yards.
US boots on the ground??? Hell no.
It looks like Obama might be thinking about sending boots into Ukraine. What a dumb s*&t. I loathed Stalin, but right now I think we should be making nice with Assad and Putin.
Word of the year for 2014 - "frenemy."
To be fair, Seer, Churchill was operating within a theater of declared war. What we have today is a kind of clusterfuck where nobody has the balls to make a declaration and instead strawman enemies are created so they can be knocked down.
One of these days, and it may be today, the strawman is gonna rise so fast and so formidably that its creator will not be able to contain it. Frankenstein has been on my mind lately- I can't shake it.
Then Ron Paul is either blind or talking to the dumbed down sheeple.
There is a plan, a strategy. It just isn't about ISIS is all. Once enough people are outraged enough by enough beheadings and so on they will all call for their government to intervene and kill the bastards doing this. Obama's hand will be forced to act and in we go. You just have to be patient while the atrocities add up.
We will build the pipeline and knock Russia out of a naval base in the Med. We will overturn Europe's dependence on Russian fuel. Just be patient and play it cool. Wearing toupe helps set the mood.
And, quite frankly, Iraq requested our help months ago and we stood back. We picked ISIS over Iraq. You may hate statism but helping a people against the beast that is ISIS should not be a bridge too far (only helping, not doing for or dictating). Maliki could not have been worse than ISIS if you are Kurdish, Shia, or moderate Sunni.
Edit: In rereading that it might seem I support going into Syria. I do not. Was just explaining the plan is all.
I just read it once. Are you suggesting that Russia desires control of the Mediterranean Sea? Good God man! Google or FaceFuck a map of the world, fer chrissakes!
OTOH, Edgar Cayce predicted years ago that freedom for all would arise from Russia. The lazy fucks from the Med region will be the last to know, imho.
Think he meant Russia want a base on the med, not to control the med. And, war is inevitable. nato sending boots on the ground, I'm sure Russia has some special ops on the ground, they can't give up Ukraine, it'd be like us giving Mexico to Russia, at that point you have to fight. I don't understand the slow build up, as if either side will call it quits if you stay the course enough, 1k fighters, 5k fighters, 50k? Only makes sense to me from Russia's perspective, slowplay it until winter then you hold the get warm card.
Bears are trained from young for that....normal for Russia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSCurUDCc38
Nice dose of realism. Thanks, Dmitry.
'But Dmitry, what good is a Doomsday Machine unless you tell us you have it?'
The NY Times says that Russia has invaded Poland.
The NY Times says that Russia and Hitler have invaded Poland.
When Dennis Gartman makes travel arrangements for himself and his wife to spend three weeks in beautiful Odessa.
LOL!
Oh, sure, go ahead and laugh. What you don't know is that Putin has cloned Stalin and sent him to the Donbass:
http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/78257.html
Third photo from the bottom.
The real question is, when will the media finally get bored with Ukraine? Because I'm tired of hearing about how Russia may or may not be invading what is essentially a part of Russia anyway.
Great to see together people like Dmitry Orlov, the Saker, Gleb Bazov and Novorossians, people from LEAP and people like Glazyev here on Zero Hedge, the best blog and magazine at the end of the world.
i would say when a foreign country puts this many tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, and support vehicles on your territory it would be an invasion... yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uisl4gqfIl0
Ah, so you're saying that Ukraine invaded Ukraine.
Very clever of the Yatzis. Totally unexpected.
no... Russia invaded.
If you want to read the account of what happened to one unit in their own words:
http://www.gubernia.pskovregion.org/number_706/00.php
Oh, look, the new issue of Heavenly Hundred Comics has arrived.
LOL!
I don't know? I didn't find "voice 2" that convincing in the article.
"Voice 1" however....wowowow
;-)
no... Russia invaded.
If you want to read the account of what happened to one unit in their own words:
http://www.gubernia.pskovregion.org/number_706/00.php
edit: looks like the article got too much attention from outside the country and was deleted so here is the webcached version:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:SWyh1EyMtncJ:gubern...
I didn't see one white Toyota pickup in that video. Ergo nothing happening.
Oh, wait, white Toyota pickups were last week. My bad.
To be fair to white Toyota pick-ups, they aren't that threatening without a large calibre automatic weapon bolted to the bed.
Always wondered why they are always white - backlash against Henry Ford maybe?
Less paint required to cover "UN."
White is a popular vehicle color in the desert.
Not beige?
Works for the UN!
They can hide easier in beige vehicles.
The use of Toyotas as military vehicles started in desert and tropical areas. Ever touch a black car that's been sitting out in the sun for a while?
I doubt you'll even find many NON-white (light color) Toyotas in these places for just that reason
11. Putin is spotted over Kiev riding bare chested on a bear with wings that breathes fire. He taunts Western powers with a pipeline in one arm and nuclear missle in the other. Obama watches from the situation room eating a bannana as reports from Rachel Maddow stream the action live. Hussein Obama joins ISIL and bombs the US with nuclear missles. Obama beheads Hillary Clinton on live TV.
Could you make that into a video game?
If that last bit happens, I think O may redeam himself, to some extent.
Please write more!
Encore!
how old are you?
Hey, Victoria! What a waste of $5 Billion Dollars. You Cunt!
OPM - Other People's Money
But but but Putin is a thug, and the gulags, and the holodomor, and Stalin, and the commies, and the KGB, and oligarchs, and Hitler!
You know, I'd really go for that list if you just added one more item: Hobgoblins.
Armed with this list, you should be able to fellate Putin with impunity.
You're letting a little too much of your subconscious slip through in your comments.
I won't be arming myself with it, just wiping my ass with it.
Whose cock did you like the most, Bush's, Obama's, or Hillary's?
I guess the funniest one is when I see y'all sucking Putin's.
I refer you to comment #5173336.
I refer you to this list is propaganda
[imagine the look on this guy's face when someone explains it to him]
Unlike Obama, Putin doesn't go for that kind of thing.
Strangely, that's it in a nutshell, isn't it?
We know, or pretty much know, that Obama is a polesmoking muslim sympathizer that couldn't lead his way out of a paperbag. He's horribly weak. America pretty much can't stand him and will breath easier when he is out of offiice. Prolly wouldn't care much what happens to him. We can form our own opinion based on an abundance of evidence, right?
All we know about Putin is by his actions. Putin didn't like the idea of other countries adopting Russian children in orphanages. So passed a decree, not legislation, but a decree to be rubber-stamped that made sure that these chikdren wouldn't be adopted internationally. Google it, it's called "Herod's law" in Russia.
Somebody in Russia that talks about the bodybags coming home gets beaten to a pulp. Google it.
Nobody knows who killed who and who is "winning" this bullshit. It's war and it is spun by either side. Don't cheerlead one side or honor bloodshed and lies.
Obama and our political scum get rich by virtue of their office, but there is an upper bound on it due to corruption laws. None of them are buillionaires. I recall ZH reported that Putin is worth billions. How do you thnk he became a freaking billionaire? Everything is shadowy by design.
There is a difference due to the environments in which we operate.
No one should praise or desire what Russian people suffer through day after day. I don't want Ukraine to suffer it, I don't want Russians to suffer it. This takes strength.
That's it in a nutcase.
Somehow you conviniently forget ALL the insolent lies USA has said in the last 20 years to start up wars. BIG lies. Enormous lies that have been PROVEN to be lies. Lies that have cost millions of lives and have cost trillions of dollars to be wasted. Lies that Russia has never said but onlyu USA/NATO. Funny about THAT huh?
Shall we list the lies yet again? Let's.
1990 babies taken out of incubators and left to die on cold hospital floor
1990-1999 Saddam working on nuclear weapons
2001 Osama engineered and did 9-11
2001-2003 Saddam has ties with Ali Queda
2001-2003 Saddam has weapons of mass distraction (Colin Powell, Bush jr, Cheney, Condy Rice, etc)
2002-2203 Saddam working on weapons of mass distraction
2002-2003 Saddam working on acquiring nuclear weapons
2001 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2001 Iran has ties with Ali Queda
2002 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2003 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2004 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2005 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2006 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2007 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2008 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2009 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2010 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2011 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2012 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2013 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2013 Assad gassed his own people (part 1)
2013 Assad gassed his own people (part 2)
2014 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2014 Assad gassed his own people (part 3)
Let's leave for now the lies USA used to start the Vietnam war, the Korean war, WWII, war againts Spain and so on. I havent listed the lies we have caugfht them about Ukraine. MH17, RUssia invading(3 times, etc)
the MOST amazing things is how quickly the majority of Americans have forgotten those lies, keep on insisting Russia/Putin lies and what's WORSE are willing to believe eveyr NEW lie USA/NATO says. So answe me, WHy is that, exactly?
You forgot 9/11/2001! - Fires brought down the WTC buildings
Millions of lives !?! Dear God, man, Stalin killed more lives than anyone in the 20th century! Please stop trotting that ridiculous list out over and over and saying the United States is responsible for millions of deaths.
True the US is in long string of foriegn policy screw-ups. And it doesn't look like it is over when you have people like McCain that say "we'll be in Iraq for a century if we need to be".
But think of how utterly shitty the world would be if the Soviet Union had won the Cold War. The poetry would probably be great (Akhmatova, Tsvetaeva, Mandelstaum come to mind), but that is not much consolation.
If Putin (not Russia, Russia is just another victim) wins with this four-pawns attack, then the world will retrograde.
Stalin was not a Russian. He was a Georgian criminal from youth. Check genetics of his gang of killers, was married into, and his own heritage suspect.
Soviet was never a Russian construct.
Soviet is defunct.
better worry about your own country.
What does race or genetics have to do with it? I don't care if Stalin was georgian or what his genetics were, This isn't about race or the Russian people for that matter. It is about bad government, made nightmarish by dictators that are above the law. Examples given.
Soviet is defunct, Putin not defunct. Don't invade other countries if you want not get called out.
"Don't invade other countries if you want not get called out"
look....there is very long list of who big invader is..not hard to find..
Conflate is inadequate. "Point out the parallels" is. ZH is no place for anyone to obtain an objective vew of the world.
"Russian Federation has invaded no one." I hope whatever reimbursement you receive is worth whoring yourself out in saying that.
Guess it wasn't worth it, because you thankfully changed that last line.
No, made nightmarish by the foreign policy of adversarial and HOLIER THAN THOU nations who scores of years ago decided to make life nightmarish for that country's citizens until those citizens had the wherewithal to change their government for one acceptable in other capitals thousands of miles away.
Jewish comunism killed more people on the 20th century. And they are trying to keep the trophy on the 21st century, this time under the banner of jewish fascism.
Change your avatar. You have no idea of that that symbol represents the opposite to the idea of supremacy you espouse.
The world isn't retrograde now? How are things on Pluto?
I'm glad this blogpost made it to the ZH Hall of Fame.
Definitely a must read.
Headline on Drudge:
Eleven Commercial Jet Planes Missing After Islamists Takeover of Tripoli Airport.
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/missing-libyan-jetliners-raise-f...
So there you have it, the narrative is being set. Where is flight 370 btw?
<-So there you have it, the narrative is being set. Where is flight 370 btw?->
Being outfitted for woar with the other 11 seized fighter planes.
Time to go 'short' tall buildings!
DaddyO
If that came about I'd guess they'd give tall buildings a miss this time and go after something far more toxic.
Personally, I believe the next false flag will be far more destructive than a few tall buildings.
"So there you have it, the narrative is being set. Where is flight 370 btw?"
Yeah, shouldn't the Malaysian govt send over investigators? Talk about getting the short end of the stick!
I tell my kids not to trust anything they hear on the news, but I fear I may have already warped their brains. My 9-year-old watched something on that DAHBOO77 guy's youtube channel and thinks we're going to have a false flag on 9-11 that involves MH370. He kept telling my parents about it the other day.
At this rate, he'll be living in a fucking bunker by the time he's 13.
Don't take this the wrong way, but at this rate I hope he gets to see 13. The idiots who pretend like they are running the show seem hell bent on destroying the place.
He's not the only one who has considered MH-370 and another 9/11. And let us not forget that there's a 2nd identical B777 located in Israel, bought from Malaysia Airlines a while back thru an agent in Fort Lauderdale I believe.
Number one on my bucket list was: "Make it home alive after flying Malaysia Airlines"
We all might oughta follow the young lads lead.
Blood Moons coming that coincide with the jewish calendar.
We all know how the PTB like numerology and occult symbolism!
DaddyO
It's down the memory hole.
Can't be a lot of space left in there, these days.
1. Obummers redline is streaming from the first invading T-90 tank turret?
Putin already knows that if there's little to win, why play the game?
Putin is trying to drive markets in ways that line his pockets with more cash - and not much else.
The clusterfuck MSM has nothing else to do but report crap - some may be true, some may not - who the fuck cares?
Vlad is just leveraging the spin.
Apparently you've missed the part where the US/West has been slowly circling Russia with NATO countries. Maybe Russia and Putin have had enough and wish to repel the threat of the US/West pushing further to destabilize it?
actually semi-circling
useless talkings
VV Putin was never about money
You'll know if Russia has invaded Ukraine because the nonstop whining and lying from Kiev will be replaced with static in a single second.
That moment may be arriving sooner rather than later.
Accordng to Jim Willie, the rebel ranks are swelled with many volunteers from Western Europe, particularly France. They are mainly battle-hardened soldiers who are giving the Poroshenko army a darned good hiding and destroying their moral. Add to that Kiev is abandoning their own soldiers surrounded in East ukie and you have the ingredients of another revolution.
What then Washington/Brussels/Westminster?
An Afghan Freedom Fighter in Donbass English Subs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc2KeSkl5H0
The uniformed can start to learn something truth about Soviet experience in Afghanistan from this.
This Volunteer is from one side. There were more sides and real story was not what media told.
Former Afghan Commanders tell the Russians were better enemy who came in one face, while hate the later arrived enemy, call them cowards who come with many faces hide behind raybans, kill indescriminately and wide, don't come out and fight, never venture out where the Soviets controlled normally.
My favorite meme in all this is the "troops of unknown origin" and the "masked gunmen". Ukrainian forces using Russian army surplus are nearly identical to the Russians.
How long before NATO troops show up in masks and Russian army surplus? Yesterday? Last week? A month ago?
"Hope and change"
"2 weeks"
Polls are now open.
It's a "stealth invasion" whereby the invading country doesn't invade, but simply has other people say it's invaded. Get it? We must DO SOMETHING!!!!!
Canadian bacon?
Canadian bacon?
So nice I said it twice!
You'll know first before it even happens when you figure out the message. One Israeli from Russia covered in black and speaking with a British accent and pretending to be from ISIS has a plastic knife to the throat of another Israeli agent from America dressed in Orange. And the alleged perpetrator and victim both pretend to be giving one message while they are both really giving another message. And occasionally different Israeli agents will show up in alleged family support roles to also exchange messages. Sometimes they'll laugh and sometimes they'll fake cry. But no matter what you can count on one thing these are messages from Lucy in the Sky.
That same day Joe Biden was seen consoling a person that was sobbing like a little bitch.
That individual was later indentified as Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden.
Well... the USA had all the info that BathHouse Barry was an inept failure, liar, criminal, bonesmoker, coward and supporter of radical islam... and HE still got elected... soooo... don't count the war out either.
Spoken like a true Party Pussy!
Let me help you in answering that one.
When they do invade U.S. troops and the mercenaries working alongside them will know it (they're the only ones that matter in this equation) and it will be justified given the circumstances that started it all when Russia was attempting to host a winter olympics and a coup just happened to "break out" next door while the festivities were taking place! Lest we forget the deaths of it's own people in that train station two months before and the severe forewarning from a very unattractive, unpleasant and impolite looking ape like creature!
The Western world called the aftermath of that coup a legitimate government. Russia, China, Brazil, India, Iran and South Africa among many others (that still have U.S. military bases on them agree but are silent partners) say otherwise...
This is all the guys and gals in uniform need to understand when they report for what will likely be the last tour they will ever have!
"This is all the guys and gals in uniform need to understand when they report for what will likely be the last tour they will ever have!"
No shit. We're talking Russian here, Russian in their own backyard! Those that cannot comprehend this don't have genetics suitable for passing on...
We're talking Russian here, Russian in their own backyard! Those that cannot comprehend this don't have genetics suitable for passing on...
Out of the mouth of George Carlin himself... The only other political comedian to tell it like it is that "named names" was Bill Hicks.
If you're unfamiliar with him this is some of his best work!
When they start noticing that some of the dead, are from Dagestan, Chechnya, and other poverty-stricken places of the former USSR. That is, not locals.
Quite a few folks from Dagestan are "200"... that is... they came back from Ukraine dead. This was reported a few weeks ago by the locals in Dagestan.
The Chechen volunteers must be more intelligent, since they're fighting for Novorossia.
Chechens fighting FOR Russian consolidation! I thought the Chechens once fought and died for...the opposite, and were denied with prejudice by the very same freedom lover then that is in charge of the Kremlin now.
Hunter Bearded Biden.
Went into Ukraine ridin.
The gas was fracked.
Then Putin attacked
Now Hunter is a hiden
This just in - evidence emerges that Putin shot Abraham Lincoln.
. . . and laughed.
You mean Abraham Lincoln McCain the ISIS ex-pat?
Yep. Did you see him on Jimmy Kimmel last night?
That headline regarding Ukraine bombing Russian military column 2.5 weeks ago was in fact true.. More and more soruces within Russia itself confirm up to 140 KIA and 450 wounded out of 1200 Russian military who were moving inside Ukrainian borders..
http://tvrain.ru/articles/pskovskaja_gubernija_soobschila_o_gibeli_roty_...
Oh, look, the new issue of Pravy Sektard Comics has arrived!
Sounds like b.s.
From your link, translated,
'The newspaper "the Pskov province" issued by the local MP Lev Shlosberg, published a transcript of the conversations the two supposedly Pskov paratroopers, from which it follows that in the battles on the territory of Ukraine has killed almost all the soldiers of the 1st company of the 76th Pskov division of the airborne troops of Russia.'
Looking up Lev Schlosberg I found this on "Radio Free Europe" aka "Radio Liberty",
Russian Politician Beaten After Reporting Soldiers' Funerals
'A Russian politician says he has been badly beaten after publicizing the funerals of two soldiers who may have died while fighting in Ukraine.
Lev Shlosberg, a newspaper publisher who represents the liberal opposition Yabloko party in the regional assembly in the northwestern city of Pskov, said he was attacked late on August 29 near his home.'
Shh for Putinozoids here that wont be enough, only when Kremlin tv reports it they will believe you.Until then..what Putler says =truth, everything else = fake,nazis, conspiracy, banderas etc
http://www.novayagazeta.ru/society/65075.html
More on dead Russian soldiers.
well, after imaginary "weapons of mass distraction", imaginary Iran's nuklear porgram", "Osama did 9-11", "Assad gassed his own people" lies I'd say Rusia's media is a LOT more believable than USA Corprorate Owned Media. Unless of coursei one is a shill or a deliberate idiot...
The evidence you say proves it's a fact was no more than rumor and hearsay. I'm open minded but if that's the best you got...what does it say about the quality of the "more and more sources" you referenced?
Just saying...it kind of validates the point of the article more.
Russian independent media (whatever is left of it anyway) is all over this, while Kremlin media is trying to hush it.. there are reports from a number of regions about dead bodies coming home from Ukraine from a number of Russian regions.. I am not sure whats up with zerohedge on this issue but it almost feels like they are being sponsored by Kremlin media in addition to teh gold lobby at this point
I wouldn't be surprised if there are dead Russians coming back...but that doesn't"make an invasion". There's probably dead frenchmen and other rougue volunteers too. I thought that was established already.
The west has more than enough means to show hard proof of an "invasion" and would live nothing more than to show it.
What your suggesting is that all of western MSM is also controlled by the Kremlin too...or what other reason for this supposed global blackout? It makes no sense.
terrible worthless site
for the useful idiots and gullible
better check your source before posting ignorant
Putin stole my lunch money.
The fukker.
2. The look of military activity on the ground in Donetsk and Lugansk has changed dramatically.
Check!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uisl4gqfIl0
"Last Thursday the Ukrainian government, echoed by NATO spokesmen, declared that the the Russian military is now operating within Ukraine's borders. Well, maybe it is and maybe it isn't" ...What?? People must be really blind and a bit stupid if they already didnt know that there is a slow motion, undercover Russian invasion. This is not a West vs Russia or US vs Russia thing, it is simply about taking territory like if we were in WW2. Long term Im sure Mr Putin will have its lesson, he just is giving reasons for NATO to be reactivated.
They are all being relocated South to try and contain the advance on Mariupol (fail), and North to defend Odessa from the same fate.
Odessa is west.
http://maps.yandex.com/?ll=35.155913%2C46.842117&spn=20.939941%2C7.313125&z=6&l=map
How about listening to the OSCE, you know, the crazy assholes who are actually there? According to them, there is no evidence of Russian military in Ukraine. It's so much more fun to speculate though.
More lately (last weeks) maybe as many as 3000 Afgansty and other vets and former specialist had enough, got together (read it how you want). Also had been other volunteers in training became ready.
and decided go kick "Red" Oligarchs" paid killers...and any Ukraine military not yet changed sides or quit for health reasons already.
Ukraine leaders seem to want top of all history for being on wrong side of kill ratio and lost and abandoned equipment on field
Love the faux bad English.
Between the hookers, vodka, and blow they never left the hotel room.
Bravo ! A must. An Orlov must.
OMG, CNBC and other MSM are still reporting a war between Russia and Ukraine.
Not just misrepresenting the facts, a full blown illusionary fantasy.