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US Troops Are Heading To Ukraine
While only 'humanitarian adviser' boots on the ground are present in Iraq (and Syria), Reuters reports that preparations are under way near Ukraine's western border for a joint military exercise this month with more than 1,000 troops from the United States and its allies. As Obama told reporters last week, "that a military solution to this problem is not going to be forthcoming," it seems a little odd 'strategically' to go ahead with the Rapid Trident exercise Sept. 16-26 as a sign of the commitment of NATO states to support non-NATO member Ukraine, entailing the first significant deployment of U.S. and other personnel to Ukraine since the crisis erupted.
As fighting between the army and Russian-backed rebels rages in eastern Ukraine, preparations are under way near its western border for a joint military exercise this month with more than 1,000 troops from the United States and its allies.
The decision to go ahead with the Rapid Trident exercise Sept. 16-26 is seen as a sign of the commitment of NATO states to support non-NATO member Ukraine while stopping well short of military intervention in the conflict.
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"At the moment, we are still planning for (the exercise) to go ahead," U.S. Navy Captain Gregory Hicks, spokesman for the U.S. Army's European Command said on Tuesday.
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But Rapid Trident will entail the first significant deployment of U.S. and other personnel to Ukraine since the crisis erupted.
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"It is very important to understand that a military solution to this problem is not going to be forthcoming," Obama told reporters at the White House last week.
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The United States European Command (EUCOM) says the exercise this month will involve about 200 U.S. personnel as well as 1,100 others from Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Britain, Canada, Georgia, Germany, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Norway, Poland, Romania and Spain.
Focused on peacekeeping, it will include command post drills, patrolling and dealing with improvised explosive devices.
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Sounds like de-escalation to us... buy moar stocks.
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I know who holds Germany's gold - Ft Knox
be good now and follow our orders or we won't let you see it...
Idiots there is a gas leak in Ukraine. Abort military mission now.
A) It's not our problem.
2) We're broke.
Should that be A) and B), or 1) and 2)?
Wow..does anyone else feel like zh is become the exact opposite of msm.?..
Its almost like I shld be wearin a foil hat. As NOTHING predicted on this site has come to fruition yet. Even stil..after all this.
Maybe we shld pack it in boys. .its over and we lost..
Yet we keep posting as if we are the one who said it would happen.
I think ZH is full of the same fonys that run the place..cuz the real people waitin for "the end" arent chillin on the net makin cool retorts to the same articles that have been posted for last 4 yrs (that im aware of..cld be longer)
Now ..back to the market and the charts..upward and onward. .
Admit defeat and Prepare for Collapse!....
..take it away Dr. Willie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6BnErORHAI
collapse.
collapse
well I've a choice; either listen to MSM BS or make fun of current idiots in Washington DC
[easy choice for me my friend]
2 problems
1. Depressions are part of the business cycle.
2. Keynesian economics to get out of a depression don't work when all expectations have been exhausted on propping up a fake economy.
Don't forget kids, DIVE UNDER YOUR DESKS!!
Pure insanity at its finest.
Pure insanity at its finest.
My older sister in early 80s could not find a job in San Francisco, so a temp agency sent her to a rabbi. He was so abusive that all of his assistants left in 2 months tops. So she worked for him for a couple of months. I remember her saying that Jews play so many games, and end up out maneuvering themselves and they even play these games against each other.
We never knew any Jews, we grew up in an upper middle class suburb, where they don't want to go. I think this was the first time I heard of the Jew.
Also I never heard the word holocaust maybe until the late 80s.
Funny how it was an unknown word until the 70s.
European culture set to music
we tried to enlighten them...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-Xm7s9eGxU
I have finally worked out putins plan
ok,recently we have heard that luhansk and donetsk have recently stated that they are willing to be part of ukraine but with greater autonomy and other points such as joining the customs union. you see putin doesnt want those two states to become independant because he will lose the rest of ukraine but having them two in the ukraine they can block nato and the eu.but he wants them to be part of the customs union.
to join the eu or nato a country state must have no territorial issues or internal problems so
moldova = transnistria (check your move)
georgia = south ossetia,abkhazia(check your move)
ukraine = luhansk,donetsk = CHECK MATE
these 3 countries have zero chance of joining the eu or nato,but they have a chance to join the customs union.
why take these small areas when you can take the whole country.
Reply to MKD:
You asked, "Why take these small areas when you can take the whole country?"
Response:
I am an AMERICAN who has lived primarily in Ukraine since 2009.
Putin and Russia do NOT want to take over Ukraine simply because Ukraine is an economic "basket case" and offers Russia NOTHING (oil, natural gas, coal, etc.) that it already does not possess in great abundance. Ukraine would be a HUGE economic drain on Russia.
Ukraine currently owes Gazprom $5.4 billion USD for past deliveries of natural gas. It will owe the IMF over $17 billion USD, plus interest. And God only knows the amount of Ukraine's outstanding sovereign debt! $100 billion? $500 billion? $2 trillion? Would YOU buy some land without first knowing if there were any LIENS on it and for how much money?
The problem is that the U.S. and western Europe do NOT have that kind of cash lying around. Even with all the money-printing by the Federal Reserve and ECB, they are barely keeping the Ukrainian Hryvnia (pronounced "greev-na" and is also referred to as UAH) alive - probably the Federal Reserve (through some third party) once again engaging in "currency swaps", buying up UAH with US dollars.
Ukraine Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk ("Yats") and President Petrov Poroshenko (the “Chocolate King”) desperately NEED a war between NATO and Russia, in order to obtain military and financial aid from the West. Will they get what they want?
If they do, then we can all wave our national flags and watch as the world is INCINERATED.
putin also stated that the saddest day of his life is the break up of the soviet union.by inventing the customs union he is re creating the soviet union(not the communism type)his goals can be achieved but without the three 3 baltic countries.
did barry do nothing but the chum gang while in college? Its almost winter! Russia/Winter/Western European powers - does nobody remember history?
and yes, we are STILL in Bosnia and Croatia (formerly Yugoslavia). How many? About 4000. Thanks Bill Clinton.
what the hell are the us jews doing in Ua?
Well, will these US boots be all dressed up for the wrong occasion?? Maybe.
*** Breaking News ***
Poroshenko has this morning announced "a permanent ceasefire in East Ukie", apparently after a telephone call with Putin.
How Poroshenko's attitude has changed since he became President. He's gone from being the "Big I Am" and saying how he will crush the rebels to where he is today: his army is being hammered, army moral has plummeted, parts of it are encircled in the East, his country is bankrupt and he's not getting anywhere.
Now he presumably wants to negotiate.
How will the USG, UKG and EU take this. After all, peace is not on their agenda.
ADD 1 hour later: Apparently, Russian sources claim there was no agreement to any ceasefire because Russia is not a party to the fighting. Others claim that this is a ploy by Poroshenko to get the rebels to stop fighting.
Putin got there first.
http://youtu.be/2lJ9Nm9MFqI
NATO troops in a non-NATO country experiencing a civil war on the border of Russia...what could possibly go wrong?
http://olduvai.ca
Ceasefire?
What will US troops do in Ukraine now?
US Troops heading for Ukraine to provide security
Obola (and Love) to play a 3 day Golf game with Porky & Petunia ( Victoria Fcuk Newland)
Boy, boys, boys. THIS is what the pantsies will have to fight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZduePXIJmw
(Video showing Russian submarine sailors getting out and bathing in the arctic sea)
In other words: They are fucked!
I call bullshit! there were already 1000 cia rabble rousers there. There will be No boots on the ground, no boots on the ground,no boots on the ground, no boots on the ground, no boots on the ground, no boots on the ground, no boots on the ground, boots on the ground! The BIG money players finally get their way, nice to see Obama get on his knees and thank them like he should.
You want to pray these American soldiers do not get involved with the ongoing conflict in Eastern Ukraine. Because the Americans rely too heavily on their planes, their infantry sucks, whereas the Russians (the Eastern Ukrainians are ethnic Russian stock) are formidable on land.
Well said... russia doesn't have to travel 6500 miles to resupply either!
These troups will be in neo-nazi controlled western Ukraine near Lvov. Obozo doesn't want US troups near Donetsk where they may get shot at, or have to face the DPR in hand to hand combat. It's all for politics, propaganda and shock value.
I feel like Mankind is becoming sick tired of this perverse game.
First, I am an AMERICAN who has lived in Ukraine since 2009.
First, let's put aside the propaganda from all sides.
How about a few FACTS?
1.) After the fall of the Soviet Union, President Bush-1 and other NATO members promised the Russians that NATO would NOT extend itself beyond its then current borders. In 1990 Gorbachev agreed to allow German reunification within NATO after being promised that NATO would not expand "one inch to the east." (To be precise, it was in February 1990 that Bush’s Secretary of State James Baker promised Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev that NATO would move “not one inch” to the East, if Russia pulled its 24 divisions out of East Germany.) Some NATO members were skeptical about Gorbachev’s motives. British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher was the primary the primary NATO leader in favor of giving Russia a chance to “prove herself”. In response Gorbachev withdrew all Soviet military from Afghanistan; then unilaterally withdrew of 500,000 troops and 10,000 tanks from Eastern Europe. It was Presidents Clinton, Bush-2 and Obama who broke that promise, with the addition of 12 NEW countries, plus an aborted attempt by Georgia. Other countries being considered for NATO membership include Cyprus and Macedonia (being blocked by Turkey and Greece, respectively), Bosnia-Herzegovina, Montenegro and (once again) Georgia. It these countries, 17 NEW members will have joined NATO following NATO’s “promise” not to expand eastward. And recently Moldava has expressed interest in joining NATO, which will increase the number of NEW NATO members to 18. Ukraine would make it 19. So, the question to be asked is, “WHO is not keeping their pledges?”
2.) It is now well-known that the U.S. State Department, along with the CIA and numerous Western NGOs (non-governmental organizations) planned, financed (at $5 billion USD) and helped orchestrate the Maidan Square demonstrations in Kiev, leading to the February 22, 2014 coup d’etat in Kiev in which duly-elected President Viktor Yanukovich was overthrown and replaced by the U.S. State Department Assistant Secretary Victoria Nuland’s hand-picked choice for Prime Minister ArseniyYatsenyuk (“Yats”). So, again a question arises:”WHO created the Ukraine crisis?
3.) Does anyone recall the CRIMEAN WAR of 1854? Crimea was under Russian control since the 1700's and Britain was the invader. I have walked and studied this battlefield on a number of occasions – it would NOT have been my choice of a field of battle.
4.) Russia included Crimea until 1954 when a drunken Krushchev "gave it" to Ukraine. But the city of Sevastopol always remained a "Russian city" with special status by treaty, which also allowed up to 25,000 Russian military personnel to be stationed throughout Crimea.
5.) Eastern and southern Ukraine have been considered part of Russia for centuries. In fact, ALL of what is now Ukraine, except for the northwester region, was historically part of Russia. Kiev was once the CAPITAL of Russia. The northwestern region from Lutsk to Ivano-Frankivsk ccmprises the REAL historic Ukraine, whose culture, customs and language resemble those of POLAND, much more than Russia. Indeed, if one speaks Polish, one is more likely to understand the Ukrainian language.
6.) On the southwestern border of Ukraine exists the Transdnestr Republic (adjacent to Moldava). Transdnestr is historically Russian and has held 2 referenda in which the people overwhelmingly vote for independence and union with Russia. It has its own government, currency, passports, etc., plus a HUGE well-armed military. It was a strategic Soviet military outpost blocking the ONLY practical invasion route (about 15 miles wide) into Ukraine from southern Europe - except for a small area near the intersection of Poland, Belarus and Ukraine. All other routes are blocked by impassable MARSHES and MOUNTAINS. The only other possible invasion routes into Russia proper are through Latvia and Estonia (or Belarus, an ally of Russia), where Russia'a strongest defenses are located. Transdnestr also has about 2,000 elite Russian troops acting as “peacekeepers", but they are hardly necessary. When the Soviet Army left Transdnestr, it left behind all its military hardware - including missile systems, heavy artillery, tanks, APCs,, heavy machine guns, small arms, etc - along with a vast amount of ammunition. Further, each time the Russian troops in Transdnestr receive "upgraded: weapons systems, the "old" hardware is handed over to the Transdnestr military..
In brief, if NATO should be INSANE enough to attempt to invade Ukraine, its forces will be CRUSHED as soon as they enter Ukraine, if not beforehand.
7.) It is a standing joke that even the Russians blush at the extent of the corruption within the Ukrainian government! The SAME oligarchs that ruled Ukraine in 1992 still rule Ukraine today. The only difference has been the introduction of NATO and U.S. interests, especially through the neo-NAZI political groups from northwestern Ukraine. The U.S., via these neo-NAZI proxies, exercise the REAL political control in Kiev - which means they control who is appointed to the president cabinet (ministries, including the heads of internal security, the military, the central bank and interior ministry), as well as the governors of each OBLAST (similar to a STATE in the U.S.). One has only to visit the northwestern city of Lvov in the Spring to witness the huge crowds watching the annual parades (complete with NAZI flags, German-style uniforms and other NAZI-like memorabilia) commemorating the Ukrainian pro-NAZI regiments that joined the Germany military during World War 2. It is no exaggeration to describe the Right-Sector, Svoboda and other militant Ukrainian groups as neo-NAZIs.
8.) Approximately fourteen (14) Russian troops got lost and wandered into Ukraine. NOT exactly an "invading army" !!!
9.) Entire battalions of Kiev troops have purposely entered Russia on order to escape from attacking anti-Kiev forces. In each instance, Russian troops have given them safety, food, and free, unmolested passage back into Ukraine.
10.) Most of Kiev's military is composed of "conscripts" with between 2-4 weeks of training, poorly armed and equipped - many Kiev troops were actually offered food by the locals in eastern Ukraine they were supposed to be fighting. (Even the neo-NAZI militia groups, such as the Right-Sector and Svoboda, are better equipped, though also lacking in real combat training.) Ukraine dropped it mandatory military conscription years ago (to save money) knowing that Russia would come to its defense.
11.) On a recent trip to Chisinau, Moldava (adjacent to southwestern Ukraine), we noticed that the highways had roadblocks and ALL bridges across even the smallest of rivers (more like streams) had defensive military positions set up with many troops. WHY? Because, as mentioned above, between Moldava and Ukraine sits the Transdnestr Republic (with Tiraspol as its capital), which has twice voted in referenda to join the Russian Federation, has its own HUGE, well-armed military (as a former strategic Soviet outpost) with artillery, tanks, missile systems, etc - plus approximately 2,000 elite Russian troops as "peacekeepers", armed with the latest Russian artillery, tanks, missile systems and so on.
12.) However, traditionally laws passed in Kiev were frequently ignored by other oblasts and/or large cities, simply because Kiev had no means of enforcing them. The people of Ukraine are truly INDIVIDUALISTS with a strong sense of personal independence. The best analogy I can use is the relation of the states to the U.S. government during the early 1800's - if the people of a state disagreed with a law passed by the federal government, they simply ignored that law. Even on a local level, it is not uncommon to see a citizen of Odessa arguing with a policeman, in effect asking, "Who the Hell are you to tell me what to do?"
13.) If Russia truly wanted to take over Ukraine by military force, it could do so in 2-3 days maximum coming in from the north, east, southeast and Transdnestr in the west. (Invasion into/out of Crimea is much more difficult, since only 2 narrow - 5 miles wide - land bridges connect Crimea with mainland Ukraine. As the Germans discovered during World War 2, these causeways are highly defensible, especially with modern weapons systems.
14.) Putin and Russia do NOT want to take over Ukraine. Ukraine is an economic "basket case" and offers Russia NOTHING (oil, gas, coal, etc.) that it already does not possess in great abundance. Ukraine would be a HUGE economic drain on Russia. Ukraine Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk ("Yats") and President Petrov Poroshenko (the “Chocolate King”) desperately NEED a war between NATO and Russia, in order to obtain military and financial aid from the West. And they are willing to issue the most ridiculous PROPAGANDA to achieve that end.
15.) I have said from November 2013 onward that the ONLY solution to Ukraine's political problems is to hold separate REFERENDA within each OBLAST, asking the people of that oblast whether they want:
a.) Complete independence from the Kiev government;
b.) Independence from the Kiev government, but remaining within a Ukraine Federation (with a Kiev government of very limited powers)
16.) THEN a second round of REFERENDA in each oblast in which the people of each oblast are asked if they wish to:
a.) Maintain their independence as a separate Republic;
b.) Join with other nearby oblasts to form a union of Republics; or
c.) Join the Russian Federation
From my conversations with the people here in Odessa and various cities in eastern Ukraine, my impression is that most people would choose: 1.) Complete independence from the Kiev government; and 2.) Join with other nearby oblasts to form a union of Republics.
John-Henry Hill, M.D.
retired physician
Keep in mind that the strong pro National Socialist sentiment amongst true Ukranians (as opposed to Russian carpetbaggers) derives from the deliberate starvation and murder by Russian forces in WWII of literally millions of Ukranians (referred to as the Holodomor, wich was a real event, not a propaganda hoax). The Werhrmacht liberated the Ukraine and restored their dignity and economy, until the Russians came back.
Thanks John, it is refreshing to read a 'boots on the ground report' among the propeganda thrown at us daily by msm. I would call that old school journalism.