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Icahn, Soros, Druckenmiller, And Now Zell: The Billionaires Are All Quietly Preparing For The Plunge

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"The stock market is at an all-time, but economic activity is not at an all-time," explains billionaire investor Sam Zell to CNBC this morning, adding that, "every company that's missed has missed on the revenue side, which is a reflection that there's a demand issue; and when you got a demand issue it's hard to imagine the stock market at an all-time high." Zell said he is being very cautious adding to stocks and cutting some positions because "I don't remember any time in my career where there have been as many wildcards floating out there that have the potential to be very significant and alter people's thinking." Zell also discussed his view on Obama's Fed encouraging disparity and on tax inversions, but concludes, rather ominously, "this is the first time I ever remember where having cash isn't such a terrible thing." Zell's calls should not be shocking following George Soros. Stan Druckenmiller, and Carl Icahn's warnings that there is trouble ahead.


Billionaire 1: Sam Zell

On Stocks and reality...

"People have no place else to put their money, and the stock market is getting more than its share. It's very likely that something has to give here."


"I don't remember any time in my career where there have been as many wildcards floating out there that have the potential to be very significant and alter people's thinking," he said. "If there's a change in confidence or some international event that changes the dynamics, people could in effect take a different position with reference to the market."


"It's almost every company that's missed has missed on the revenue side, which is a reflection that there's a demand issue," he said. "When you got a demand issue it's hard to imagine the stock market at an all-time high."


He also lamented about how difficult it is to call a market top. "If you're wrong on when, that's a problem." His answer: "You got to tiptoe ... and find the right balance."


"This is the first time I ever remember where having cash isn't such a terrible thing, despite the fact that interest rates are as low as they are," he added.


On Obama and inequality...

"Part of the impact of these very, very low interest rates is that we've creating this disparity. The wealthy are benefiting from government policy and the nonwealthy aren't," he continued. "So we have a president who says we've got to fight this disparity and we have a Fed who's encouraging it everyday."

On Tax Inversion...

"This is both legal and accepted. If the government doesn't like the result, change the law," he said. "You have to have a rational tax policy." He said the top tax rate should be changed and the U.S. should not tax worldwide income.

Zell also said it's unfortunate that "this inversion thing has been captured as a political, electioneering item."

Source: CNBC

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Billionaire 2: George Soros

Soros has once again increased his total SPY Put to a new record high of $2.2 billion, or nearly double the previous all time high, and a whopping 17% of his total AUM.

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Billionaire 3: Carl Icahn

Ironically, Carl Icahn - poster-child of the leveraged financial engineering that has overtaken US equity markets on the back of Central Bank largesse - told CNBC that he was "very nervous" about US equity markets. Reflecting on Yellen's apparent cluelessness of the consequences of her actions, and fearful of the build of derivative positions, Icahn says he's "worried" because if Yellen does not understand the end-game then "there's no argument - you have to worry about the excesssive printing of money!"


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Billionaire 4: Stan Druckenmiller

Simply put, Druckenmiller concludes, rather ominously, "I am fearful that today our obsession with what will happen to markets and the economy in the near term is causing us to misjudge the accumulation of much greater long term risks to our economy."

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And here the BIS explains broken markets so easily, even a Janet Yellen can get it:

Financial markets have been exuberant over the past year, [...] dancing mainly to the tune of central bank decisions. Volatility in equity, fixed income and foreign exchange markets has sagged to historical lows. Obviously, market participants are pricing in hardly any risks.

Growth has picked up, but long-term prospects are not that bright. Financial markets are euphoric, but progress in strengthening banks’ balance sheets has been uneven and private debt keeps growing. Macroeconomic policy has little room for manoeuvre to deal with any untoward surprises that might be sprung, including a normal recession.

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So now we have a quorum of billionaires and the BIS all flashing warning signals which can only mean one thing: stocks are undervalued so buy, buy, buy...


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Wed, 09/03/2014 - 15:05 | 5176719 Divided States ...
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Honestly do you trust any of these zionist sleazebags?

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 15:13 | 5176751 Groundhog Day
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yea they want to really protect me from losses.. i'll sell when they say it's time to buy

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 15:20 | 5176780 power steering
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Ho hum. Time for ebola update, They find that missing plane yet?

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 15:28 | 5176800 NoDebt
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"The Billionaires are all quiety preparing for the market drop"

"Soros has once again increased his total SPY Put to a new record high of $2.2 billion, or nearly double the previous all time high, and a whopping 17% of his total AUM."

Soros is the smartest of the bunch.  By which I mean he's more evil and more insane.  Qualities that are of benefit in today's markets.


Wed, 09/03/2014 - 15:37 | 5176842 Say What Again
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I would like to see Soros & Jamie D in a Yo Mama kind of a fight - but changed to ;"that's why I'm richer than you"


Wed, 09/03/2014 - 15:41 | 5176869 NoDebt
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Jamie would lose.  Jamie works very effectively exploiting the system.  Soros creates the systems how he wants them.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 16:10 | 5177011 Save_America1st
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Funny....then CNBS puts out this article today mentioning Zell's video, but then they spin the article in a Bullish view saying there are fewer Bears today than before the crash in 1987. 

"At this juncture, both the intermediate and longer-term technical picture of the market remain bullish. Additionally, several of our short-term measures of market breadth have now 'reset' to neutral after the recent pullback," Piper's Craig W. Johnson and others said in the firm's weekly outlook. "We believe the stage is set for the broader market to make another leg higher."

What's a bunch of douchebags!  lol

Market bears now scarcer than any time since 1987


Wed, 09/03/2014 - 22:25 | 5178216 Manthong
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Oy Vay..

Ach du libier!

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 23:46 | 5178453 Elvis the Pelvis
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I'm no genius.  But I can't see the DOW getting far above 17,000.  The markets have peaked.  So this is no big surprise.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 02:04 | 5178695 chumbawamba
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What the fuck breed of chimpanzee did that ugly fucker Zell devolve from?

And fuck you, "Elvis the Pelvis", you sad blog flogging nigger.

I am Chumbawamba.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 03:18 | 5178761 COSMOS
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What did Yellen tell them at the last Manhattan synagogue luncheon that she will stop printing for a few months and then inform them on which month later in the year she would start again.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 04:53 | 5178833 monkeyboy
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What the fuck breed of chimpanzee did that ugly fucker Zell devolve from?


Hey take that back!


That's quite an offensive remark made against my chimp brothers. They look nothing like Zell. Well maybe a little bit.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 08:09 | 5179069 theliberalliberal
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+1 blog flogger

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 16:15 | 5177037 Winston Churchill
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Soros has the same background that Robert Maxwell had.Selling people out to the nazis, then

gun trafficking after the war. One very nasty POS in other words.

A great shame he is not dead and disgraced like Maxwell.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 16:20 | 5177057 Say What Again
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Do you have any reputable sources for this accusation, or is this just something your grandmother told you about when you visited her in the old-folks more?

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 16:26 | 5177078 Squid Viscous
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deplorable kikes, except for maybe Drunkenmiller, will research ASAP

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 16:50 | 5177172 J S Bach
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Wasn't Zell in "The Hobbit"?

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 19:43 | 5177702 Say What Again
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Judging by all the down-votes I received on the previous post when I asked for proof of their accusations, I must assume that some of the readers of this article would rather trash-talk than talk the truth.  That's OK with me, you can give me 999 down-votes, and I don't care.  They still have not submitted any proof to any of their slanderous and bigoted comments.  Its not that I'm trying to defend the subjects of the original post, because I don't know them well enough to have a strong opinion either way.  Its just that I care more about the truth than their opinion.

If you can get me to 90 down votes on this post, I will feel like I've made a good post.  I'm going to start by down-voting my own post.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 20:01 | 5177747 Brutlstrudl
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Behind every fortune is a crime.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 20:28 | 5177828 Breezy47
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Do your own research're not as bad ass as you think.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 23:07 | 5178355 Say What Again
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Figure this one out

If you had ever made it past 6th grade, you would know that it is up to the author to cite their references.  That is if you're writing for anything other than the National Inquirer (or NYT).  And if you and the inbred trolls in the trailer park had any content that could prove your assertions, you would be posting it here 10 times or more.  But you have nothing to cite - and probably don't even know what "cite" means. 

Your move, gimp

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 23:26 | 5178408 Gold Eyed Cat
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Soros' past is not a secret, Say What Again.  You seem to be the only person in the world who doesn't know it. You had the time to post douche-bag replies, but you didn't have the time to Google? Too lazy?

Steve Kroft of 60 Minutes asked him that. Was it difficult? “Not at all,” Soros answered.

“No feeling of guilt?” asked Kroft. “No,” said Soros. “There was no sense that I shouldn’t be there. If I wasn’t doing it, somebody else would be taking it away anyhow. Whether I was there or not. So I had no sense of guilt.”

A Nazi would steal the Jews’ property anyways. So why not him?




Thu, 09/04/2014 - 00:02 | 5178491 Say What Again
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Did you like this call Soros made about a bubble on May 6, 2008?

He was a few months early, but no one's perfect.

How about: Soros, the Man Who Cries Wolf, Now Is Warning of a 'Superbubble' - June 21, 2008


There - I have done some research for you, because you fail every time to supply any content from a reputable source.

Your problem is that you need to denigrate a successful market participant in a neurotic attempt to minimize your losses.


Thu, 09/04/2014 - 02:46 | 5178733 chumbawamba
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Go fuck yourself, you Soros-fluffing fag.

I am Chumbawamba.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 08:54 | 5179285 gold-is-not-dead
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He is a war criminal, not a succesfull business man.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 07:46 | 5178985 Calmyourself
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Say What Again, I will be watching your comments much more closely..

Ignorance is not bliss when calling out others for your own sins..

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 09:56 | 5179525 Gold Eyed Cat
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Fine SWA, you are perfectly free to admire and respect George Soros if you want to.  But don't pretend that he didn't gladly help push his own people into the Nazi meat grinder so he could steal their gold wedding rings and silver spoons.  His grossly unethical business practices put him in the position he is today.  It is common knowledge.  And demanding people overlook his bloody past is asinine.  Also, screaming and crying for credible references to support well known facts is annoying. 

Soros is a war profiteer.  Water is wet.  The sky is blue.  Do I need to fucking cite credible references for you?

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 01:27 | 5178645 401K of Dooom
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And that is why the Third Reich came into power!

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 04:10 | 5178807 Manthong
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Do you realize how hard it is to get a good picture of a black cat?

Everybody in my family has a cute little black pussy and we have no good pictures.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 11:26 | 5180035 Breezy47
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Hey, I graduated from a top 10 Econ school with a whopping 2.6 GPA. As I may not be a genius like you *cough*, I'm smart enough to know Soros is a left of Lenin war criminal who is bent on taking down this country just like your boy obama. So go fuck yourself...

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 21:35 | 5178071 Penniless Spectator
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I down voted you in solidarity.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 23:14 | 5178363 Say What Again
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Thank you.  lets see how DOWN we can get on this.

And I'm up-voting you so things stay in balance.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 20:00 | 5182531 UggSmash
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I, for one, appreciate your holding a standard of evidence, Say What Again. By the time I posted this, looks like 14 people agreed with me. 

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 19:07 | 5177632 CH1
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deplorable kikes

Tell your FedGuv paymasters that they are vile turds... and so are you.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 23:01 | 5178317 Fred Hayek
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Well, you can get partial corroboration from this youtube clip in which Soros unintentionally diagnoses himself as at best a sociopath by saying how the year at the end of WW2 which he spent collecting assets of jews in Hungary for the nazis was the happiest time of his life. Wrap your mind around that one.

Most people would be overwhelmed by guilt or sadness at the tragedies they saw around them and the fact that they were working for the nazis. Soros says it was the happiest time of his life! He thought it was all exhilarating! But then, when you don't have the normal human capacity for empathy and emotion (when you're a sociopath) you might have that reaction.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 16:27 | 5177084 Blues Traveler
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Y, soros eats babies and his philosphy is the end justifies the means.  Very nasty.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 17:21 | 5177275 Oldrepublic
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Robert Maxwll, born Jan Ludvik Hyman Binyamin Hoch in pre-war Czechoslovakia, now Ukraine.Died in 1991 after falling off his private yacht off the the Canary islands. Interesting character to say the least!

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 17:52 | 5177345 knukles
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Odds on betting (as in inside word from those learned of such) is that Herr Maxwell did not die "mistakenly, accidentally, falling off his yacht" as many reported, but was given the "deep six" (no pun was intended, geeeesh) by MI5 once his financial and political machinations became just a bit too public.  In other words, you can get away with anything until you start trying to get away with anything when the public starts to see you trying to get away with anything.  Especially when one is an "insider" and as connected as Big Bob was... to everything and everybody.
No, that was as strikingly clear as some testimonies before the House of Commons that were changed at the last minute (by that "folks" from Barclays, overnight, if y'all remember)
Nuh uh.
T'was no accident.  He'd become one of the "Queen's problems", so to speak.
He "lost his head"

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 18:39 | 5177561 Occident Mortal
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MI5 is the British domestic intelligence unit. MI6 is the international intelligence arm.

Robert Maxwell was assassinated by neither.

He was killed by the SBS.

Maxwell made the mistake of openly stealing British pension funds and so the establishment (the power behind The Crown) had him murdered, and funnily nobody asked too many questions about it because the man was so widely despised.

The British establishment then crushed Maxwells sons in a bankruptcy hearing and wound up all of their assets.

The message was loud and clear and Soros and several other corporate raiders immediately fled Britian to reside in New York.

It doesn't matter who you are. Nobody is beyond the reach of certain world powers. If you get too cute you will disappear.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 01:37 | 5178657 Yes We Can. But...
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Oh puhleeeez, these shadowy 'establishment' cunts don't exist.  Ha!  What next, gonna tell me they're so omnipotent they can off even a small-fry like me by zapping me through my keyboard?  Ha!  This talk is all such apocryphal nonsen

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 03:29 | 5178772 Occident Mortal
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So you're saying there's no such thing as the SBS?



Thu, 09/04/2014 - 04:18 | 5178810 Manthong
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shit.. lol.. I got it.... aargh.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 23:42 | 5178444 FreedomGuy
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What does Jon Corzine say? BTW, where is he (not in jail) and is he still rich?

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 01:22 | 5178639 markpower49
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Corzine stole from goyim, so he's protected. Madoff stole from other Jews, so he'll die in prison.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 01:37 | 5178661 FreedomGuy
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Madoff was also not a former governor and senator from the party of the State. Membership has it's advantages.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 04:26 | 5178816 Manthong
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Well.. Jon and Jamie are richer than you.

Even though one has an asshole for a mouth and the other one has an equally bacteria filled twat-face.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 07:42 | 5178978 photonsoflight
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When the value of the dollar equals zero then a billion zeros equals the few I have. hehehe

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 08:36 | 5179072 Manthong
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I seem to recall reading somewhere that in Rhodesia.. oops sorry.. Zimbabwe, goat chips are valued more highly than fiat because they burn better. 

Rhodes.. nwo..  oops typo..  now that is another story altogether.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 15:43 | 5176875 KickIce
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Or investing is easy when it's being scripted.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 15:48 | 5176903 I am a Man I am...
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And the other 83% is in the market.  Call me when it's above 50%.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 19:06 | 5177629 Lewshine
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I went net short 2015 July leap p yesterday - Zell must have read my post and ran with it! He no dummie!!

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 20:09 | 5177768 Kirk2NCC1701
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@NoDebt: "Soros is the smartest of the bunch.  By which I mean he's more evil and more insane.  Qualities that are of benefit in today's markets."

Another word for all this is... RUTHLESS.  From his/their side it's painted as... FOCUSED.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 01:31 | 5178650 jballz
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So "smarter" equals evil and insane?

Thanks dude, you just gave me the clearest view ever into the mind of the average dumbfuck.


Wed, 09/03/2014 - 23:01 | 5178326 Buck Johnson
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That missing plane, that missing plane.  Like all confidence tricks and magic tricks keep the people looking over here than looking over there.  Something tells me that a major false flag is being positioned so that can be used to blame the economy imploding.  I bet it will be a that missing plane with a nuclear weapon in it and it will be flown to a city and detonated over it.  Then they will blame ISIS since they are everywhere and are so tyrannical.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 05:27 | 5178839 matrix2012
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@ Buck, have you read the omegashock?




Repost it again from other thread earlier, #5152773


The War of 2015 – Part 3 – Nuclear False Flag

America has a long, long history with either using a false flag attack to start a war, or luring an opponent into attacking the US – which is just another version of a false flag.


Why We Need False Flags

The answer is easy. Ninety nine percent of all human beings actually hate war – at least, those who know what war actually is like. I’ve spent a lot of time studying war and living in war zones, and I hate war with a passion.

Yesterday, I described the propaganda that washes over you, each and every day. And, you would think that such psychological operations by the US government and bankster elites would be enough. But, we are made of sterner stuff, and that means that the elites always need to resort to the ‘false flag’ – to bring us to the point of war.


The War That They Want

Unfortunately, the 9/11 attack in 2001 raised the bar really high. The attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon set a new standard for such attacks, which means that the next one will need to be much, much bigger. America[sic] [American PEOPLE] is tired of war, so this will need to be an enormous shock to the American system – to rouse Americans with the kind of energy needed to invade the Middle East, again.

The Nuclear 9/11 Story

Well, Barack Obama said this in March:

I continue to be much more concerned when it comes to our security with the prospect of a nuclear weapon going off in Manhattan.

Then, in June, we had Dick Cheney put this out:

Dick Cheney: There will be an attack on America within the next decade; worse than 9/11

YouTube shortlink:


In THAT video, he talks about a nuclear attack on Washington and martial law. Of course, he said ‘within a decade’.


But, he didn’t stop there:

Dick Cheney: ISIS Will Nuke US

Now, that was a couple of months ago. And the rhetoric needed to be pumped up again, because this year’s September 11th was approaching fast. So, here is Dick, just six days ago, at it again: - Hannity / Cheney: ‘Absolutely Certain There Will Be Another Mass Casualty Attack Against U.S.’ - He said that the murder of James Foley will be repeated a million times over. - Wait, a million times? … as in a million people dead in a nuclear 9/11? 

-- Read on here.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 08:10 | 5179081 cnmcdee
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Wow.. So the next Faux Flag is on is it?

I'm short Chicongo.  I figure it will be the one to get hit.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 22:44 | 5183076 TheReplacement
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Why not Detroit?  Nobody is paying the water bills or taxes, the auto industry is still a mess, and the new Chinese investors can get their dough back via insurance (it isn't like they live there or anything).

Right now California is looking good too but that might stop the invasion where the drought has not.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 22:15 | 5183014 TheReplacement
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The plane was last spotted falling to the ground in flames.

Ebola, welcome to Nebraska.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 18:19 | 5177482 sandhillexit
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What is 'quiet' about this?  they have been running expensive shorts all year and are starting to get annoyed.  there is a difference between happily being out of equities and needing the market to drop.  it is pretty sad when you have to cheerlead retail. Collapsing time value, painful....extend or jawbone?  Dividend-payers can go sideways for a good long time, if they drift higher, even better, but not necessary.  

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 19:12 | 5177650 SAT 800
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You probably will; the ignorant public usually buys tops and sells bottoms.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 23:10 | 5178366 Fred Hayek
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All these corporations indulging in taking on debt to do stock buy backs right now so that the denominator goes down in the old earnings per share calculation are doubling down to buy a top.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 06:13 | 5178868 CHX
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The corporations buy back so the insiders and CEOs can sell their shares at the top. Victory.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 22:47 | 5183081 TheReplacement
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Insiders sell at the top.  Insiders are selling.  Seems so simple.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 02:54 | 5178737 StychoKiller
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Workin' in a coal mine, goin' down, down, down
orkin' in a coal mine, whoop, about to slip down
Workin' in a coal mine, goin' down, down, down
Workin' in a coal mine, whoops, about to slip down
Five o'clock in the mornin', I'm all ready up and gone

The only question that we want an answer to is...

Lord I am so tired, how long can this go on?...

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 08:08 | 5179065 cnmcdee
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They knew you would do that - so they reverse reversed it and told you what they are doing.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 15:48 | 5176898 guessagain
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Do you trust any of these sleazebags, Zionist or not?


Wed, 09/03/2014 - 16:09 | 5177010 sessinpo
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Why do you trust any such person, zionist or not? zionism doesn't matter. One could be an anti zionist and be bad. You have issues.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 16:31 | 5177091 Squid Viscous
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missing the point, go direct to sheeple jail and do not pass "go" 

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 16:37 | 5177117 Harbanger
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I think he may be the type that will pop a cap in your faggot head before you send him to any sheeple jail. 

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 17:02 | 5177201 sessinpo
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Squid Viscous   missing the point, go direct to sheeple jail and do not pass "go


Harbanger   I think he may be the type that will pop a cap in your faggot head before you send him to any sheeple jail.


Yep you are right Harbanger. I would pop a cap into squid viscous. Quite frankly I'd pop a cap in his knee first just to make him suffer, then kick his face and crotch in with my steel toed boot. Then if he was lucky, I'd put some lead in his head to end his miserable life.

BTW, the post I was replying to was edited to include zionist or not which agrees with my point.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 18:48 | 5177218 Squid Viscous
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wow another internet tough guy with a big boy GUN!! ... do you always wear "steel toed" boots, or just when you are patrolling the web for anti-semites?  

you fucking pussy... and you need a gun to settle things?... if you want to continue this I will ruin you, but no guns allowed, ok?

hello? sessinpoo? let's take this to a more private venue, won't be my first time...can't just talk about "capping" someone and then disappear unless you're a 15 year old wigger, or just a giant pussy?

 and harbanger, mind your own biz, or... just continue to be a shit disturber for the rest of your miserable life

if I ever catch either one of you posting here again, we're going to get acquainted...

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 18:00 | 5177421 n3tcat
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wow, im really impressed with your ability to,

cut and paste.

because everyone knows,

a badass like Quentin Tarantino is such an amazing martial artist... 


[in case of poor forum formatting, this is in reply to tough guy cesspit making empty threats to people on another anonymous internet forum.]

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 21:36 | 5178072 Slave
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Such a badass. Why don't you tell us where you live like Tall Tom does?

BTW I hope you use a 10mm and not some .45ACP faggot pussy gun. Queer. /sarc

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 16:38 | 5177126 reset71
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It's like....Some ZHers really like to publicly/anonymously bash Jews; therfore, they are smarter than billionaires and I should trust them with investing advice instead of the billionaires.

The articles says that Zoros bought 2 billion dollars in puts, betting that the stock market will go down!!!

I phink he's tryin' to twick us, those sneaky Jooos.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 17:04 | 5177221 atomp
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Those puts were reported in fucking June.  He probably cashed out on the August "dip", or maybe it was just a Taleb type move he puts on now and again just for fun.  Guy's ancient, what does he really care anymore?

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 19:42 | 5177704 SAT 800
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A complete waste of perfectly good electrons. fortunately, for you, you will never be in a position to operate in the stock market.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 07:45 | 5178968 atomp
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Be that as it may, that chart still looks schizo to me. (also the dates are fucked up, so maybe it's not even real)

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 17:10 | 5177238 NidStyles
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Zionist =/= Jew ;-) Learn the difference or tell your bosses to update your script. Whichever one applies, try that.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 21:14 | 5177920 Kirk2NCC1701
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'Nice try, no cigar' at the "Deflect & Redirect" attempt.  Your old lines won't work anymore.  Let me enlighten you:

Not all Jews are Zionists and not all Zionists are Jews.

Being "Jewish" means being part of a Semitic culture and race, and part of a non-homogenous Judaic religion.

"Zionism" OTOH, is merely a POLITICAL worldview and political movement from the late 1800s.  It has more than one faction, and with its dominant faction of Global/International Zionism (aka Revisionist Zionism) seeking to dominate everyone else.  The smaller, silenced National Zionism was the original one, and sought to create a national homeland for the Diaspora Jews, so they could live peacefully and securely within their own borders.  Human nature being what it is, it is the Global(ist)/International Zionists who are flexing their imperialist muscles and with whom "Zionism" is almost synonymous - which is a way of hijacking and marginalizing all other forms of Zionism.

It is also typical that Global Zionists are more devout to the (Babylonian) Talmud than the Torah of Moses, as the former gives them the ruthless mandate and 'forgiveness' that the Torah or Ten Commandments do NOT.  In fact, Jesus himself was devoted to the fulfillment of the Torah, whereas he "outed" the Pharisees, Saduccees, Scribes and Temple Money Changers as followers of the Rabbinical writings of the Talmud, and it was Jesus who called them Murderers and followers of the Evil One, Satan, Lucifer.

I would even argue – and I think there is objective evidence to support this – that most of Zionism and most of modern ‘Judaism’ has been co-opted by a virulent subset (sect) of Jews that is backed by International Banksters, whose lineage and globalist ideology (“One Coin To Rule Them All”) goes back to the Rothschilds in the 1800s.  The wealth and power of said Banksters has become so immense that they needed a state of their own, and have created Israel as their "State of Convenience" and its Talmudic religion and customs as "Faith of Convenience".  In reality they 'worship' only Money and Power.

I think that I speak for many/most, when I say that I/we have no issue with a People's Rights to Existence, Self-Determination and Security.  I/we do have extreme issues with any closed group that seeks to dominate others via Imperialism -- as is the case for Global/International Zionism.

Sample References, for those who wish to actually expand their intellectual horizon and vocabulary:





e. (Revisionist Zionists)


g. An honest Israeli, Miko Peled "The General's Son" tells the truth about what modern Israel has become


p.s. Warning to all you Zio-agents, shills and trolls:  We shall continue to expose your Lies and Deception with the gospel of Objective Truth, until your Lies are drowned out.  Practice your bullshit, your Divide & Conquer, your Deflect & Redirect tricks and Globalist (NWO) Agenda on dimmer and more gullible minds.  Feisty Kirk out.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 00:03 | 5178500 FreedomGuy
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Thanks for the info, Kirk. Saved me some time. I get tired of some of the endless rants and "Jew behind every tree."

Here are a few thoughts that strike me about the ever evil Zionists: First, if Zionism is simply wanting some sort of homeland or even some particular Biblically-Historically based piece of land then I see that as no worse than America's Manifest Destiny or Caesar's, "I came. I saw. I conquered." or even the far reaching conquests of any European power you might name. Israel won four overt wars designed to eliminate them (1948, 1956, 1967, 1973) and they really did not go onto wholesale conquest as they might have. They slightly enlarged their borders and added security zones. They never drove out the Arabs en masse. So, their actions do not speak of any great physical empire.

Second, if there is some international, government corrupting, banking-finance based evil scheme to rule the world invisibly...I am not too worked up about that either. Why? Because most everyone else in history wants to do the same. Frankly, the visible guys like Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Genghis Khan, etc. generally hold the upper hand. The raw physical power to unleash violence is more powerful than money. It is why Kim Jong Un prefers a poor kingdom where he is the top wolf. He will execute you for not clapping hard enough at his ceremonies.

If the worldwide invisible Jewish conspiracy is smart enough and can get enough dumbass gentiles to go along with it, then they probably deserve to rule...the dumbass gentiles. I am one, BTW. The key issue is the same for me a libertarian. The root of all evil is government. Government has to give these people power and access to power, including tax dollars, favorable deals. insider knowledge and a raft of other things. In that sense, I do not care if the invisible conspiracy is Jewish, Russian, Viking, good old Anglo-Saxon, or American Indian. It is all evil and I will oppose it. I will hope for Nuremburg type trials if such a conspiracy is ever unveiled.

Short of that, I find enough stuff right in front of our faces to deal with. There is creeping autocracy everywhere from the ubiquitous red light revenue cameras to labyrinthine tax laws to farm subsidies to bank bailouts to foreign interventionism to deal with...right on the surface! I have no problem digging down below the surface but regardless of who you find there it will be connected to formal visible government power. So, the conspiracies that I prefer are the IRS targeting which is tip of the iceberg stuff, NSA-Snowden, Benghazi, Undeclared wars (for USA), bank bailouts and similar things. Even the idea of the Fed and central banks is core to the issue regardless of how many guys named Sachs versus Morgan are there. The problem is the same to me and more importantly the solution is absolutely the same. Disempower then prosecute the bastards.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 00:07 | 5178509 FreedomGuy
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 "I am one, BTW"...gentile, not dumbass, I hope, lol!

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 03:33 | 5178778 COSMOS
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I prefer the term Jewish Mafia, since not all jews are criminals, and on the international scale the Jewish Mafia is quite powerful with its tentacles firmly entwined within the Israeli govt as it uses the diaspora and Israeli citizenships to cover its criminal actions.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 23:17 | 5183134 TheReplacement
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There is a problem with that.  They aren't all Jewish by blood.  For example, Obama is on board but not Jewish.  Sure he isn't the power behind the throne but he is doing his part and that makes him part of the team.  Of course, all teams can cut players when they are no longer useful.  Isn't that right Jack and Bobbie?

The other thing is that I cannot imagine they are Jewish by religion either.  I do believe Jews have the 10 commandments the same as Christians.  The behavior we are witnessing is in blatant and systematic violation of numerous commandments.  These people seem to do it because they either think they are gods or simply because they like the power.  At least in the Old Testament they marched openly to the glory of God so everyone know what they were about. 

Mafia certainly does fit except the concept of a mafia able to manipulate world events like this is mindboggling to most people.  Sadly the NWO and related monikers just brings out the conspiracy theory smirks.  TPTB sounds to mystical or nebulous.  We need a term or phrase that really is accurate and not something that gets the teller a reaction of scorn when people hear it.

I would suggest "The Enemies of Man" but polls show that feminists concerned about their lady parts would beat me to death with fetus corpses.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 23:27 | 5183154 billsbest
Thu, 09/04/2014 - 00:46 | 5178580 Ward no. 6
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"Being "Jewish" means being part of a Semitic culture and race.."

is being jewish a race???

according to this one jewish site

their answer is NO

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 01:19 | 5178638 pakled
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Thanx for the well thought out and articulate post Kirak. I'm copying and pasting this one into a perm file.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 02:22 | 5178715 janus
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another outstanding post.  i'm losing count with you.  most importantly, i detect nothing amiss in your missives -- and your consistency bespeaks a noble character.  i understand if you may have some misgivings viz. janus; but, please understand, it is absolutely vital that i confuse, confound and contend.  all the same, and whatever i'm up to notwithstanding, i want you to know that i have great respect for, and interest in, your insights. 

as for janus, i don't devote my efforts to a 'money' site' for no mean reason.

for it is written: "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." 

i do understand why so many splendid minds serve this tyrant of mammon so slavishly -- money and things are pleasurable; but it nevertheless grieves me that they are pursued as an end in and of itself, and in such a thoughtless and puerile fashion (greed for it's own sake is but symptom of this age's great malady).  it is the greatest and saddest of ironies that those finest of intellects and capabilities, and some of the few true lovers of liberty, would openly shackle themselves to the tinsilated artifice of that which is not only temporal but also comes at the expense of those most precious things that are by them inevitably subsumed -- body, mind and soul -- all this and more exchanged for the trinkets and ephemera of a passing world.  but i'm an optimist; there is time yet.

for it is written: "not many wise men now are called; not many noble bretheren."

well, that was then; it may be now time for a harvesting of the wise and noble souls...the fields are ripe, and the scythe is sharp.

...for time is runnin backward/

and so is The Bride/

ring them bell St. Peter/

where the four winds blow/

ring them bells with an iron hammer/

so the people will know/

that it's rush-hour now/

on the wheel and the plow/

and the sun is goin down/

upon the sacred cow...,



Thu, 09/04/2014 - 22:57 | 5183098 TheReplacement
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I smell glossary material there Captain.  And dammit Jim, I'm not even a doctor.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 17:18 | 5177263 booboo
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Since when was Mr Magoo a stock trader>

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 17:48 | 5177367 Kirk2NCC1701
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Q: "Honestly do you trust any of these zionist sleazebags?"

A: Frau Farbissina... Lies!  All Lies!

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 19:41 | 5177703 SAT 800
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You don't judge the messenger, oh idiot one; you listen to the message, and correllate it with other data. Unless, of course, you're a typical modern idiot.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 23:18 | 5183138 TheReplacement
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Obama says he cares about you.  Michelle cares about you.  They all say they care about you. 

Sorry, couldn't help it.  Fish, meet barrel.


Wed, 09/03/2014 - 21:37 | 5178078 Sinnedi
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How much money by the CIA did you get paid

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 23:48 | 5178441 RichardParker
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Especially the Prince of Darkness, George Soros? 

This is the same piece of shit sociopath who was a Nazi collaborator during WWII (he assisted in the confiscation of property owned by Jews). 


Thu, 09/04/2014 - 02:31 | 5178724 RothschildsKryp...
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They certainly have enough property and tangibles to get them through a few lifetimes of economic recession. I'm not about to make my life decisions based on someone else's economic situation.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 03:56 | 5178794 kita27
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Your a Zionist!

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 07:37 | 5178931 Againstthelie
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Divided States,

it's not about trusting them, it's about understanding that they are talking their books and have an agenda (like everyone; also ZH has one).

Obviously they want the market to go down sometime in the not too distant future. Why?

They have made their money already on the long side for several years and the risk to build more on the long side, is not worth it anymore.

If a member of the Cosa Nostra gives you a warning about your health, then you better pay attention. The same is true for the Cosher Nostra.

I can only warn to ignore what they say, or - like several commentators - see it as contra-indicator.

Billionaires from the Cosher Nostra (or their helpers) have a reputation and they want to keep their aura of market wisdom. They need it, that the goyim believe in their official stories. So IMO it's very dangerous to ignore them - or even to think, they were contra indicators.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 15:10 | 5176745 blu
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When Yellen finds out she's gonna kill them.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 15:12 | 5176749 Dr. Engali
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Maybe Zero wants the disparity and that's why he's encouraging it. What better way to fundamentally transform America than to have a peasant uprising. Let Wallstreet's greed and hubris be it's downfall.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 15:20 | 5176786 NoDebt
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When I said the same thing two years ago I was down-arrowed into oblivion.  My point was that he wanted Wall St. to remain a visible, easily-demonized den of snakes that he could play his class warfare rhetoric off of forever (being the 3rd world-level despot that he is).

Obviously, I was way off with that call.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 15:47 | 5176873 Dr. Engali
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Lol.... Two years ago this was a different, and much better web site. For the record, I thought the same thing then too.

Edit: apparently those down arrows followed you back to the future.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 15:51 | 5176912 NoDebt
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I deserved it.  I let my guard down.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 17:48 | 5177376 knukles
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Nah.  You're innocent.  You too, Doc.
It's all just a coincidence.
If you guys try the HuffPo, signing in through Black Voices via AOL and initiating an "Is Mike really?" thread with screen names like Strom Thurmond, then it'd be understandable.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 15:56 | 5176945 disabledvet
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Meh. Still the only site to come for for news...even if that news is "I died."

I mean six months on flight me-370? Dear god! Of course these folks are all screaming "sell!!!!!!!!!!!"....Mr Market ain't listening anymore. seriously...Porsche sales are up 40%. The cost of making said Porsche is probably down equally as much.

These folks don't know how to trade unless they're inflation trading (rolling over debts.) with the dollar surging of course they're going raise capital. Apple has gotten hit hard well as it's suppliers.

That could be a kick off towards a deflation "scare" in the USA. But the policy stance of the zero bound rate still looks in place to me.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 16:21 | 5177062 chunga
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It sure has changed around here. Does anybody know what happened to fonz? I haven't seen him comment in a while but I don't spend as much time on here as in the past.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 16:59 | 5177195 Dr. Engali
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He's done. He decided to go out in a drunken blaze of glory. I hated to see him go, but it's understandable. This place is becoming nothing more than doom porn and click bait. Any decent financial analysis has been thrown out the window. I only stick around for the commentary.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 17:12 | 5177244 chunga
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Wow. There seems to be a new crowd filling up most of the comments too. DCRB, AKAK, SLewie, now fonz, it's like a trend. I cut down but still waste too much time. Some member of 3 whole weeks will come along and tell me not to let the door hit me in the ass lol.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 17:42 | 5177347 Harbanger
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It's become a disenchanted bitch fest.  That's why there are few down arrows.  No real arguments, it's a circle jerk.  Somehow arguments against our broken Western leadership became a Putin cock sucking festival.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 17:50 | 5177384 knukles
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Amen to that "Putin" comment.  I mean just because ya' don't like somebody don't mean the grass is greener and more honorable elsewhere.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 18:01 | 5177422 NoDebt
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Yeah, but they'll keep trying to find those greener pastures anyway.  I have respect for Putin as I would for any adversary who plays the game as well as he does.  It would be foolish to underestimate hime.  He absolutely embarasses and out-classes Obama at every turn.  But that's where I draw the line.  I'm not deluded into thinking he's a good guy or any less of a liar than the rest of them.  I think many share that view around here.  But not a majority.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 18:18 | 5177481 Dr. Engali
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I think your sentiment is the same as the majority. It's nice to see Zero get a thumb stuck in his eye, but that doesn't mean Putin is any less the statist.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 20:36 | 5177846 tenpanhandle
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0 with a thumb in his eye ain't the all of it.  I see we are over on Russias Border fucking with Russias neighbors.  We are being stupid as well as wrong.  Gotta go with Putin for the win.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 20:36 | 5177616 Squid Viscous
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I was Putin "neutral" but considering how western Zio-media tries to slander him constantly, and the lying Ukranian propaganda lately ... has made me re-consider...

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 20:46 | 5177892 Harbanger
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"I have respect for Putin as I would for any adversary who plays the game as well as he does"

That's it right there.   Keep looking for greener pastures rather than making them for yourself.  You would respect any man who sets your fucking ass straight, like any bitch would.  It's understandable as we've become a bunch of sorry ass bitchez.  For you to compare Barry to Putin and have it reflect on the US as a Nation is a fucking disgrace to your womanhood .  Mark my words as I tell it like it is, you will be judged by the next man in control of your life.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 22:26 | 5178203 NoDebt
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Did you bother to read the rest of my post or did you just stop there and cherry pick that line to comment on?

Apologies if that was directed at the board in general as opposed to me personally.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 18:11 | 5177398 Squid Viscous
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no it's all about truth vs. lies... and Harbagger you seem to swallow the lies like a Hunts Point whore ...

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 20:37 | 5177850 Squid Viscous
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is that you harbagger? downvoting with anonymity vs. your earlier talk of "popping caps" in people? you fucking puss...

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 19:23 | 5177668 Everybodys All ...
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No kidding on the Putin comment. The insanity of this place has almost sent me packing as well.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 17:13 | 5177245 NidStyles
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Uhh, he was psoting this morning. 

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 17:24 | 5177283 chunga
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I just searched on his name and nothing comes up?

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 17:24 | 5177288 Dr. Engali
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No he wasn't, he hasn't posted since 8/23.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 17:31 | 5177311 Squid Viscous
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sad but true Doc, these new asshats have been dragging me down to their level...did Fonz really leave?

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 17:37 | 5177332 Dr. Engali
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Yes he did, for now anyway. Who knows what the future will bring after a little time to clear one's head.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 18:00 | 5177418 Squid Viscous
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ok ... good luck doc  - always enjoyed your posts,

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 20:03 | 5177752 MrButtoMcFarty
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Wed, 09/03/2014 - 16:41 | 5177133 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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That is only part of it. It only works to a point, there has to be a bigger objective at play with that only being one of the catalysing agents to get there.




Wed, 09/03/2014 - 15:25 | 5176795 Harbanger
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What's funny is all these Fuckers own 15 million dollar penthouses in NYC.  Do you really think you will benefit from the fall and fundamental transformation in the buttfuck state you live in?  This is what I don't understand about certain people wanting the same thing Zero wants.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 15:35 | 5176838 cornflakesdisease
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Who will clean their pools and iron their shirts if dollar, Inc. goes belly up?

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 16:48 | 5177164 Marco
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If you removed all their cash holdings and their owned debt they'd still be wealthier than any of us. They own most land, they own most factories, they own most gold, they own most of everything.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 17:15 | 5177252 NidStyles
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When currencies die hard, what you can't hold, you don't own.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 17:28 | 5177299 Seer
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Actually, "own" isn't the key, it's "control."  Paper burns.  All these folks have built up defenses just like any tin-pot dictator: sure, maybe they look more like an army of lawyers than mercenaries, but it's the same.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 15:46 | 5176888 Dr. Engali
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What do you think will happen to those people in the 15 million dollar penthouses? As far as me, I don't really give a rat's ass what happens to them. I continue to stack, and stock up.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 15:53 | 5176932 Harbanger
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If they are part of the plan and in fact are orchestrating the plan, WTF do you think will happen to them?  Not what you had planned Engali, I'll tell you that much.  Use your fucking head.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 16:07 | 5177003 Dr. Engali
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Use your head. There's a war going on between the elites and you don't get it. People like you and me are just cannon fodder to them. You can either prepare or continue to suck their ass. I choose the former. You better wake up and stop with the latter.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 16:16 | 5177043 Harbanger
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It's not rich vs poor, that's where you're a dick and fall for the meme.  It's statism vs individual liberty.  I'm prepared, 500 ounces of gold ain't going to save me or you from a police state that controls your every breath you take with modern technology.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 16:58 | 5177198 blindman
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when you say "police state" i wonder who
is it that will employ those police state
peoples and technologies? the poor, certainly
not. i offer it will be the "owners". the dtcc,
the fed, cede &co. and the elite bankers. protect and
serve relates to , first, property and property
owners. that is what the courts are for, to determine
the "rightful" or legal property owner, and then
to protect them.
ps. you never hear about a cop shooting a suspect,
perpetrator or person involved in a domestic dispute
at the golf course, do you? no rodney king type videos
of cops pummeling golfers for being rowdy and gassed on the 18th hole.
no. think about that.
come to think about it, why don't we have video cameras
and recording devices at golf courses to monitor the rampant misogyny
and insider trading like we have for traffic control and
internet usage?

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 17:36 | 5177331 Harbanger
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Peasants get what peasants deserve.  All they want is fairness and all they ever get is to eat shit.  Anyone expecting fairness is a delusional bitch, anyone fighting for equal law and justice is a free man.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 19:02 | 5177625 blindman
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@..".. anyone fighting for equal law and justice is a free man."
usually, these, (free man) are offended defendants or plaintiffs,
also known as peasants and bitches. they do not get what they deserve,
they get what the masters discharge.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 19:33 | 5177687 SAT 800
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Anyone "fighting" in any meaningfull sense; is a criminal. And you sound a lot like an agent provocateur. You can look that up, if you wish.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 17:16 | 5177259 NidStyles
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Police States can not last, and at the their end, the "elites", which is really code for sociopaths/psychopaths, fight it out with each other for the scraps.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 17:29 | 5177305 Harbanger
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"Police States can not last"

Police state or different names for the same thing has been the NORM for ALL of Humanity.  LIBERTY WAS JUST A BLIP RESERVED FOR REAL MEN WILLING TO FIGHT FOR THEIR GOD GIVEN RIGHTS.  Everyone else waits for some crumbs.  I hate Bitchez.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 19:35 | 5177688 SAT 800
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Dates for the "blip", please; and more details. you're starting to annoy me.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 21:45 | 5178098 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Independence and self-sufficiency come before liberty.

The fighting part is what you do after you've achieved the above. Most 'Mericans couldn't define "self-sufficiency" much less practice it. If you choose to fight before achieving the above, all you do is trade one set of tyrants for the next. And no, being an employee somewhere (even if it's well-paid) is not independence or self-sufficiency.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 20:53 | 5177917 FredFlintstone
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@nidstyles, they can outlast me and you.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 17:21 | 5177276 WSMassiv
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Rich = State (Generally Speaking)

Poor/Honest Working Class = Individual Liberty (Generally Speaking)


You guys are arguing the same points! (Now I will use a complete sentence.)


The RICH USE the STATE to enforce their RULE over the POOR/WORKING CLASS.

(You both are arguing the same point, the RICH are there generally protected by LAW of the government. IE: Forced monopoly/dupoloy. Tax welfare, etc etc...)


But lets not get off the point.  It always goes back to monetary policy.  Honest DEBT FREE MONEY is the only answer. (Now we can debate which flavor next...)

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 17:33 | 5177312 Seer
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"It's statism vs individual liberty."

It's about POWER.  Period.

History has nowhere in which everyone is running around experiencing "individual liberty."  Why?  Because humans insist upon having gods and masters...

But, I'll have to admit, "individual liberty" really sounds nice.

Wed, 09/03/2014 - 17:45 | 5177363 Harbanger
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"But, I'll have to admit, "individual liberty" really sounds nice."

It's not for you, or you wouldn't think this way.  If by chance you survive the battle you will be grateful.

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