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NATO Vs Russia (In 99 Seconds)
NATO has often seemed to lack purpose, and now, as The Guardian explains in this excellent 99-second primer on how we got here; at its summit in Wales this month NATO faces one of its biggest challenges in years – the defense of Europe against Russia...
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Must.keep.the.dollars.flowing
War is the ultimate example of failure of the state.
These war pigs are losers.
The state exists to enrich the smart-n-savvy people. How many smart-n-savvy people do badly when the state they own goes to war?
Hint: Krupp coffee makers.
But wait! There's moar!
France suspends delivery of warships to Russia:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/france-suspends-delivery-warship-russia-16...
Now that's nasty.
"NATO faces one of its biggest challenges in years – the defense of Europe against Russia..."
WTF? The entire purpose of NATO FROM ITS INCEPTION has been the defense of Europe against Russia.
Things that make you go hmmmm. The most recent "journalist" beheaded by ISIS was actually an Israeli citizen.
"Taking one for the team." Point to me in the NATO charter where it says "through attack" insofar as "defense of Europe" goes.
And since I was told not only NATO was irrelevant but so was I when I was in graduate school in Washington DC when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991 let me answer the question too: "NATO lives on so long as it can be seen as defending."
Folks here like to make fun of Nuland but what she and her cohorts at state did look like a classic case of a "feint"...pretending to care about Ukraine when in fact justifying an alliance system that I did agree...20 plus years...seemed to have no empirical meaning in a "post Cold War world."
And as with everything else I've learned in life since then "as long as you ignore the data anything anyone says is true!"
Putin buying into this "strategum" is surprising to me. Understanding the difference between "provocative" and a "provocation" is geo-politics 101.
That thing looks like a bear trap to me now.
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
H. L. Mencken
The defense of Europe from the unpredictable Bear! LOL!
After admitting NATO has more than doubled in size, and suffered serious mission creep?
And how quickly did she mention the part about: "Keeping the Germans down, the Russians out, and the Americans in"?
Bismarck.
do they think they'll get that 9 billion in fines back??
no way, now they#ll just have penalty fees to pay to russia which will come in handy for russia
and they've shown they are a poor partner, just another of america's bitches
And victory for the banksters
Government is the ultimate example of the failure of mankind.
If I had a brain in my head I would look just like Woodrow Wilson - B. H. Obama
@Theta_Burn: "Must.keep.the.dollars.flowing" (1st ZH blog)
Correct. As a number of people here have said (myself included), the US/Fed has no choice but to front-run the inevitable demise if the USD as the GRC and seek the downfall and domination of Russia (then China) -- lest Russia + China manage to dethrone its GRC status first.
Were the USD to lose its GRC status and be demoted* to a Regional Reserve Currency (RRC) that is part of a Global Basket of RRCs, then the wet dreams and global ambitions of the Neo/Zio-Cons (aka "Manifest Destiny 2.0 - MD Gone Global"), and a One-World Currency (a US-dominated SDR) would die. And with its gigantic demise, the bottomless funding (via global subsidies of forced use of USDs) for the US MIC would end. What would also end is the ever-growing wealth, power and lifestyles of the 0.01%, and the Secret Owners of the US: the Kabal Zionists and owners of the Fed.
* The USD getting "demoted" to just another RRC is something I've been saying for a long time, and counters claims/positions/predictions made by those who favor (a) and SDR world unfolding, or (b) gold-backed money coming back. I claim the while the CNY may indeed by backed by Gold, or the RUB(le) be backed by Precious (oil+gas) Energy, that the USD will continue to be a fiat currency and be backed by US (oil+gas) Precious Energy -- even after the Monetary Reset that demotes it to one of the RRCs for the Americas, with the Brasilian Real being the other RRC.
Kirk: I love your term 'Precious Energy', used like 'monetary metals' (PMs). It is, as the millions of lives that have been sacrificed so far in oil rich lands, far away from the US, prove. US shale oil and gas independence is a myth, and even the narrative presented today (that it's profitable) is only maintainable by omitting the irrepairable destruction of the ground water and the hydrological cycle where it's carried out, from 'the bottom line'. Indeed most of our energy production since the 1900s ommits longterm environmental damage from the 'bottom line' - mercury, water depletion, nuclear contamination, CO2, CH4). This can't go on forever, nor can the US afford to destroy it's watertable (see current droughts and weather havoc).
Whilst the GloBAAList wet dream may be a One-World currency, a 5-region (?) based issuance would be much more acceptable to the masses as an interim step (following the establishment of regional trading blocks through mechanisms such as NAFTA, TPP, TTIP and others). The Euro is/was the Beta Test, IMO. And look how that's working out. Therefore I believe ultimately broader force will be needed to impose 'currency order' more broadly, as it already is being used on protesters in Spain and Greece, and as it is in a more extreme form in Eastern Ukraine (get E.Ukie back Porky, or no full IMF swagbag). Much depends on how bad the chaos becomes ie whether it can be kept as an orderly deconstruction, much like when our Australian pounds, shillings and pence were converted to decimal $AUD in 1966. it was 'sold' to us with ad campaigns, but ultimately just done over our heads whether we liked it or not. I was also living in Greece when the Euro was imposed over the Drachma, so have seen it play out on the ground twice.
Many money-pros can't believe there's such a long-lasting, deep disconnect between almost everything previously proposed by economics and economic theory gone before (balance sheet debt, hypoth and re-hypothication, bail-ins, fraud, Corzining, Cyprusing, PM manipulation, FX manipulation, derivatives quicksand etc). It seems that the pendulum is being deliberately swung harder and harder until it eventually breaks out of the side of the clock. Is that when comes a 'reset' that 'the sheople' clamour for (to 'restore fiscal order' globally), with a supra-national structure posed as being the 'better option' than the (soon to be) failed $US as GRC. Logic being that if a (once) mighty nation like the US Fed can't handle the responsibility of being in charge of what other nations need(ed) to hold to settle trade, then an international (supra-national) corporation/'organisation' would be 'bigger and wiser'. Enter global unit of exchange and settlement (beta tested with SDR), probably commodity-backed digicrypto. Whether another full monty 'kinetic action' WW is required to achieve this 'agreement' is to be seen, though I side with Einstein on the saying "I know not with what weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones".
Whether BRICS are transitionally part of the long-term BIS/CFR/NWO plan (and Putin's currently 'holding out for the best deal') or geniune 'flies in the ointment' (with Putin fronting the resistance to a full GloBAAList takeover) is to be seen. Undoubtably the fact that all BRICS participants are mining and/or stacking AU, and are all resource-rich (commodities and populations - both as producers and consumers), makes a basket of commodities being the next 'Bretton Woods style' outcome, logical. The last two WWs have resulted in such convienient supra-national GloBAAL organisations (League of Nations, UN, NATO, IMF, WTO, BIS, Bretton Woods etc), that it's easy to conclude that Hegel's ideas on problen>reaction>solution have been utilised by a global group (cabal/owners/elite/whatever) operating supranationally (like Gladio operatives, ie. outside of 'government').
You speak of the USD as if it is a cohesive unit of currency that represents the wishes and the will of the people. It's clear that is is simply not the case, and is becoming less the case daily (wealth disparity, stripping of the 'middle class' and the 'American Dream', bank fraud, MyRA and 401 bail-ins etc). Apart from FRNs being 'outlawed' under the constitution, the Fed is a vampiric predatory force for the principle benefit of an elite few, which siphons the lifeblood and sweat from 'honest labour' through usary. The monetising of debt created digitally as credit out of thin air is funding the most offensive military machine ever concieved on the planet. The US military fights wars of choice, not of necessity, cruelly and brutally with methods and weaponry on a scale far more excessive that the Japanese or Germans were prosecuted for (during and) after WW2. This MIC monster, now unleashed, the one that Eisenhower and JFK warned us of, is consuming the world, and anyone who proposes and alternative to US hegemony is mowed down. At what point should I be glad that 'I'm on the winning team'? It's sick.
Tragically, it looks like the US contribution to a GloBAAL reset currency will be the commodity of force, priced in lives and printed in human blood and excrement. Unless there is a fundamental shift of consiousness at 'the top'...of the 'controllers. Otherwise there is just too much greed and blood sacrifice invested there already for them to give up power voluntarily, and the 'lifestyle' (barf) that the US population has grown accustomed to (and expects as it's indispensible and exceptional birthright) cannot be sustained without the oil (and conquest) of the rest of the planet. The race is on for the last of the Spice.
Will the Imperium collapse like the other Reich's before it, before the planet is laid waste?
Oh, that the owners of the US, would, could, truly be 'the Light on the Hill' for the rest of the planet. But who are the real owners? DC, is the one City State (City of London=Financial/Material/Trade, Vatican='Spiritual'/'unmaterial') tasked with enforcement through war/violence. If the Imperium can be sustained by US taxpayers long enough, and other peoples of the world do not rise up, the other militaries of the world will soon be amalgamated (drills and excersises ongoing everywhere to integrate systems, capabilities and command structures), possibly under a UN flag. Unless BRICS really are/become a counterpower, then perhaps, just perhaps, the victors may agree to share the last pile of bones. Or perhaps, eat eachother, and it's 'long glass carparks'.
PS. I think the US nation beneath the KaBAAL is spasming like a 'victim of mistaken identity' under electro-shock treatment. Very few have the courage to keep their eyes open as the lever is pulled, and watch as well as feel their own torture. Good hearted Americans, the majority, like good hearted people everywhere around the world (watching our US cousins getting reamed, as we are too), are experiencing the plan to crush us spiritually and psycologically by a relentless assault of corrupting propaganda and staged events designed to produce fear, subservience, aquiensence, and desperation. By recognising the game, and understanding the rules of engagement, detachment and clarity become powerful tools for doing good, and spreading the word. Love thy neighbour, do unto others, honest exchange, sound money etc. We can't change your political structure, only US voters (or revolutionaries) can do that. Us here in the outlands, the 'colonies', who are watching, waiting, and working for better outcomes, who BELIEVE better outcomes are critical over the madness that is descending before our eyes, wish you courage, stamina, and endurance..
For those not yet familiar with it, a great contribution to the discussion by Jammes Corbett: The History of the Fed. http://www.corbettreport.com/century-of-enslavement-video/
Thanks ZHeads for all your info, opinions, insights and endurance. No Fear.
Peace
Fuck ZATO and the Guardian, liars ...
/ Bullying, Bribes and Blackmail seem to work just fine for the ZOG to make NATO comply into being ZATO. /sarc
Western Society truly has reached Peak Democracy, and we're seeing its decline. I think I know why:
1. The building Perfect Storm of: Peak Cheap Resources + Peak Cheap Money + Growing Debt + Aging Demographics
2. Democracy is NOT for the Uninformed, the Dumb, the Comfortable or Lazy, the Scared or the Disorganized, yet that is what is dominating our Western "Democracies" these days.
These are the attributes of the Weak, of Prey, of Sheep. Ambitious economic scammers and political sociopaths embody the very opposite of these attributes (Informed, Smart/Shrewd, Ambitious, Driven, Organized), whose attributes are those of Predators, of Wolves. Put another way: The Invasive Species is taking over the Indigenous/Native Species, because of its attributes and survival strategies.
Unless the Native Species learns to adapt and act real fast, it's "Game Over", it's all over but the "Baahs" of doomed sheep.
Plan, hedge, and act accordingly. Kirk out.
Golfer vs. Hunter.
Golfer vs Hunter Biden - oil and gas entrepreneur (on US taxpayer dime)
Hunting party? Gotta invite Dick.
Sounds like it's time to send in Victoria Nuland and Shoot em up Cheney, that'll show The Metro Sexual Ukrainian Army Trash how to Win in A Real War, LOL:) MartyFlesh
We got 'em cornered! Form a circle!
Is this a new and improved NATO? one that won't run out of bombs after 3 days of "kinetic military action"?
Well. Last time countries where neutral like Balts, they got occupied by ruskies and hundreds of thousand man, women, elders and children where send to Siberia to gulags where they died. Mostly young birth died during this "trip" in cold train wagons.
http://youtu.be/oVZjyyAE-78
Don't worry, when the Red Team is elected in two years it will become "fashionable" on ZH to be anti-commie again. Most of this pro-Putin is just the Old Testament Strong-Daddy crowd not having a strong-daddy to follow here in the USA and Putin is their substitute daddy.
Wow, you have a real deep undertanding of ZHers, mostly libertarian / Austiran School followers, decidely ANTI-AUTHORITARIAN.
and your pysch analysis is a hoot.
your projection of YOUR old testament morality - not a zionist christian [sic] are you? - onto ZHers who are likely 85% non believers is kinda transparent, but maybe not to you.
don't trip over your cognitive dissonance on the way out.
Yeah, well, we'll see in two years. Most of authority worshipers will be foaming at the mouth about the Ruskies taking over the world.
Eeeh... did you actually look at the video? Who's taking over what?
Please, going Full Retard on the Red/Blue nonsense doesn't work here. Authority worshippers? That's pretty rich. Nobody here has any love for Putin, just complete disdain for the endless Western MSM Kool Aid being served up trying to discredit and demonize Russia, while defending NATO expansion. Try to stay on point.
Hu, huh. There's two distinct groups of Putin lovers on here. The Rabid Red Team anti Blue Team (R)etards, and the Libertarians/Anarchists. The Red Team (R)etards will be foaming-at-the-mouth in the next election about how the Red Team will reestablish "Capitalism" in America again and re-inflate our weakened Big-MIC (dick). You know it, I know; and you can easily spot them by their posts. 60% of the population are (R)etards and (D)umbasses who believe their Team's bullshit (and it's not their fault, many of us have been there. You can't control your brain).
But, we'll see in two year (yeah, we'll be here "arguing" about the EXACT same topics).
time for your meds... and please find a new trolling forum, you are brutal
Re: you are brutal
It's a fight club, you almost tapped out on that one.
dickface, you have 65 downvotes in just the 3 posts above...
It's not the down votes from the (R)etards and (D)umbasses that matter, it's getting accused of being a trool because I'm right that matters.
I think you were trying to spell "drool". Just a guess. Anyway, if you drool out of both sides of your mouth chances are you are on a level surface.
It's been awhile since I posted so I may be mistaken, but I seem to remember that you were better than this. Not everyone operates their brains with a single on/off switch.
How about this: Most people here "support" Putin (rabidly or not) because careful analysis of evidence support the fact that there is a concerted effort by the MIC to start a major war to divert attention away from the systemic collapse of the USD and its support mechanisms in the financial services.
Statists of all colours don't deserve any support, but given a choice between the "Droner in chief" Obummer/"Fuck the EU" Nuland psycho buddy fest with the Pentagon/Langley rendition chorus. Or Vlad Putin who keeps averting wars and gets called evil by the msm for his troubles, I know I choose Vlad.
I've been watching for, and anticipating the repetitive drone of associating "Putin" and "War" or "Putin and terror" or "Putin and evil/Hitler" in the msm and they did not disappoint. That cheap propaganda trick didn't work on me but I fear it worked on a lot of others. Places like ZH and RT gaining in popularity are highly likely to be the next targets to be demonised - if it hasn't happened already - as things hot up.
Re: Not everyone operates their brains with a single on/off switch.
I didn't say they did. I said they can't control their brains. The strong-daddy (R)etard and smothering-mommy (D)umbasses respond to specific bullshit. Unfortunately, their brains are working fine (switched on), the problem is the only thing they understand is packaged (R)etard or (D)umbasses bullshit.
Re: Most people here
No, it's split between 1) the (R)etards who love Putin because he's manly and Obama is (just another) smothering-mommy Blue Team "leader". NOTHING else, and they WILL switch sides when a manly Red Team is elected; and 2) the actual anti-authoritarians.
Re: I know I choose Vlad.
I'd choose neither. He's a sociopath too.
Re: That cheap propaganda trick didn't work on me but I fear it worked on a lot of others
Cheap propaganda is just bullshit. And: The strong-daddy (R)etard and smothering-mommy (D)umbasses respond to specific bullshit. It's NOT that hard to make bullshit for the (R)etards and (D)umbasses.
Feeding frenzy now
I agree with your generalization regarding democrats (mommy) and republicans (daddy). However, I believe you are ruffling feathers by saying that a majority of ZH's fall into one of the two categories. A small, very small minority perhaps, but far from everyone, fits your "mommy/daddy" analogy regardless of their politcal party.
You are a troll because you degenerate R's and D's (which I'm fine with) but then call everyone here a R or D. You look for the response you get, you should not act surprised or pretend that you need to further explain. Its very transparent.
Re: you should not act surprised or pretend that you need to further explain
I'm NOT surprised because 1/3rd of this site is (R)etard.
Re: A small, very small minority perhaps, but far from everyone, fits your "mommy/daddy" analogy regardless of their politcal party
If it was more complex the bullshit wouldn't be so easy to create. It's the same mommy/daddy bullshit for 70+ years now.
have you watched Faux news lately? they are already bringing out the ex-generals, saying how we need troops on the ground and air strikes, to combat ISIL and Putin! seems convincing to me...USA! USA! USA!
Which is exactly what I'm saying, so why did you accuse me of being a troll. The (R)etards on here that watch Faux news will switch to anti-Putin instantly when a manly Red Team manly male gets elected. The (R)etards and (D)umbasses don't think about politics, they believe specific styles of bullshit like religious people do (so there's nothing that can be done about it and it's not their fault for being (R)etards and (D)umbasses).
Just rackin' em up! Impressive! Very impressive!
confucius say two Zio- ass- clowns back to back, make for big laugh !!
NOTaREALmerican, project much? Or just happy with daily dose of the Blue Pill?
You should come up for air more often, or drink less of the Official Kool Aid. I dare you to exercise your mind with small feats of Deliberate Contrarianism.
p.s. If you're "not a real American", then you're what... a Dual Citizen?
Way to spot that true Russian intent, keep it coming man.
was that the "ruskies" or the Bolsheviks...big difference, no?
good point Squid, but consider who you're talking to, you're arguing with the spawn of the Bolsheviks you allude to.
The irony that Putin is a capitalist is rich indeed. But maybe this is the point of the whole thing. "There's only enough room for a set number of Capitalsits...and you're one over the limit Mister!"
A horrible history to be sure and a good reason to distrust Russia.
Some questions: Do the Russians have reason to distrust other countries?
How is life in the Baltics today? Do the Baltics have large Russian minorities? Are they treated well?
Does the gulag exist today? What countries incarcerate the most people per capita?
The Soviet Union were avowed expansionists with an "internationalist" ideology. Does Russia today espouse this ideology? Does anyone else?
Any thoughts?
+100
You missed the point. Russia has a small coast on the North Atlantic so it is our right and responsibility to force them into NATO after some regime change. The logic should be obvious to you.
Some crazy people might watch that video and see a pattern, a relentless eastward expansion to enforce the USD and funnel resources into the western banking system. Fortunately the Guardian makes it all clear, that NATO is just a bumbling organization that bombed countries for something to do.
Thats why they had to explain it in 99 seconds, and end with some toilet noises. So you don't even think about thinking! lol
And with "regime change" in Russia and its inclusion into NATO/ZATO, and its complete subjugation to the USD and its masters, will China too have to have "regime change" and join the One-World Government and One-World Coin that will then come forth from the "New & Improved G20"? /s
The US foreign policy is set by the state-department and CIA.
Putin is ex KGB. Who runs Russia?
(Personally, I think Russia is on the "correct" side on this one, but let's not forget that all countries are run by the society's smartest-n-savviest sociopaths.)
I'd wager that Russia is run mostly by ex-KGB and non-Zionist Oligarchs, whereas the US is run by the CIA and Zionist Oligarchs.
So... Their "Bad guys" are far worse than our "bad guys" -- because they don't pray to the same fictitious deity as do ours and don't circumcise their dicks? Is that your position? Or do you have ANY objective, cogent and coherent position that you're able and allowed to articulate?
p.s. Answer my damn question: If you're "Not a real American", then what are you? A Dual Citizen?
1. Do the Russians have reason to distrust other countries?
Well, Balts have not invaded Russians. But not otherwise.So no - they are not threaten by Balts.
2. How is life in the Baltics today?
Great! I have realy nothing to complain about.
3. Do the Baltics have large Russian minorities?
What is large? There are different regions with different % of Russians.
4. Are they treated well?
What is treated well? They can do what ever they want if they are citizens and if they choose to stay as Russian citizens (in order to avoid buying visa to travel Rusia to their relatives) than of course as non-citizens they can not vote. Anything else - welcome.
5. Does the gulag exist today?
I have no information about that.
6. What countries incarcerate the most people per capita?
I don't know answer to that.
7. The Soviet Union were avowed expansionists with an "internationalist" ideology. Does Russia today espouse this ideology? Does anyone else?
I don't know nothing about that.
I answered on your questions on which I had information.
Nobody really cares about Balts, they don't have any military or resources, all they can is to cream loader.
Btw:
6. What countries incarcerate the most people per capita?
United States :)
Seriously, the Teutonic Knights invaded Russia from the Baltic states. Thats as legitimate as mentioning Soviet treatment of Baltic states, isn't it?
Any one remember the Battle of the Ice? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKZPgGbUuX0
Music starts at 1:45. Classic filmmaking.
Yeah, but they lost. Reading up on Fredrick the Great right now. SHOULD have lost.
Talk about "going down swinging." Not a cartridge left unspent...
Are the Teutonic Knights in charge of the Baltic states any longer? Who is Putins former employer? I wonder if Putin would have quite his former job if the Soviet Union was still around.
NATO, the US and UK seem to be in charge of the Baltic states.
Agreed. As is the rest of Western Europe. The rest is controlled by the opposite side of the same coin.
Their hands are so far up their asses, they are picking their noses.
Hey Herd and the Baltic Nazi, See the Great Northern War. Early 1700's Russia was invaded by Sweden from the Batic states which were Swedish at the time.
Do you have a point in that comment? England invaded the US in 1814. Great Northern war settled in 1810. Should US occupy UK?
Videokls_lv upthread said -
Well, Balts have not invaded Russians.
Not so.
Sweeds are not Balts. but if you go back to stone age there might be some vilages fighting. I m talking abot history where my grandparents suffered, where my parents lived under USSR occupation - where I lived under USSR occupation.
Baltic states were invaded by the teutonic knights themselves. For christ sakes we have some weird reasoning going on here.
Thank you layman please
The pretzel logic in favor of Russian ethnocentrism on ZH has been incredible lately.
You have no information about many answers but you felt smart and overwhelmed answering uber-subjectively to some.
Are the Baltic eating rotten Russian babies in the morning? I don’t know about that. Nobody proved the contrary.
Are Baltics men pedophile, anti-Semite, zoophile? I read a comment on some article on some website that stated that.
Was it a mistake to bring eastern European nations in Europe? YES IT WAS.
Was it a mistake to bring eastern European nations in Europe? YES IT WAS.
And who would you give the right to decide that? To yourself? That was the choice of eastern europeans, even if some parties took advantage of that.
"That was the choice of eastern europeans"
Are you kidding me for f$##$ sake?
It was first and foremost the choice of Europe as the whole and most importantly the european people at that time.
But we never had a chance to choose! And you know why? Because you would have been ruled out!
You have no information about many answers but you felt smart and overwhelmed answering uber-subjectively to some.
Are the Baltic eating rotten Russian babies in the morning? I don’t know about that. Nobody proved the contrary.
Are Baltics men pedophile, anti-Semite, zoophile? I read a comment on some article on some website that stated that.
Was it a mistake to bring eastern European nations in Europe? YES IT WAS.
To cut through your BS, here is a fairly objective academic analysis describing the situation of ethnic Russians in the Baltic States:
http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/643/1/Hughes.JCMS.preproof1.2005.pdf
The bottom line is that, like the Roma, ethnic Russians are treated like shit by these little racist turd countries.
Hell, the Baltics have repeatedly been called out on the carpet by Amnesty International and Human Rights watch. But the "civilized" wine-sniffing and cheese-nibbling EU and NATO protects their sorry little asses.
Minorities suffer and are discriminated in all societies across the world and politicians love to exploit them equally well in Estonia as in USSA as in Russia. It's not about russians per se. It's just the natural order of things in this day and age.
All the blame game is politically motivated, while real people would get by perfectly regardless of their nationality or ethnicity, if there wouldn't be political gain to cultivate the opposite.
First of all if some noncitizen doesnt like to stay in Latvia than he /she can leave. It not like USSR. But you name a single example which shows how badbthey are treated. And have you actually visited to see your self?
I was in Liepaja for three weeks for work.
I was in hotel in the "city-center" which was supposed to be good quality, but for latvian standards!!!
I came, I saw and I won't come back...
Sort of like the Potawatomi Trail of Death, only with a 20th century-sized population that had a whole milenia to overcome the decimation of initial smallpox exposure.
Time goes but some things doesn't change. Ruskies want USSR back - Putin: "collapse of the Soviet Union was a major geopolitical disaster of the century" http://youtu.be/nTvswwU5Eco And that is why they started occupation process again. So far Crimea is occupied by ruskies now they invade east Ukraine. People of east Ukraine doesn't welcome these "liberators" and in support of their country Ukraine they gather around, sing national anthem and prepare city for Russian regime invasion: http://youtu.be/RbIVD8lWw2E http://youtu.be/twbtLU9YUzw http://youtu.be/PILstC9SfoY But Russian regime army is way better equiped than Ukranians so they cross border in large numbers and invades Ukraine. Of course there are dead Russian army soldiers and their mothers & wifes in Russia asks Putin to stop - http://youtu.be/v7FeoS17TCk http://youtu.be/bmGydcKMgd4 But this goes unheard to people in Russia because regime controls all media, and there is wide internet censorship - regime can shut down any site without trial. And if anyone shows up in 2 protests that where not authorised by regime (all of them that are against regime) than that person goes to jail for 5 years. And there is new additional chanel that Russian regime uses now - so called "alternative media". Using the fact that US regime is criminal Kremlin shows their self as angels that will save people from Banksters. When actualy both regimes are the same. Because both regime seeks more power, lies, manipulates, invades, kills, doesn't respect indepedent countries, seeks more control over population. And of course there are some naive people who eats that and with help of trolls some comunity is created that cheers for Putin regime crimes.
Russian people can't change this in democratic way - because there is no democracy in Russia. Just as in US there is no democracy. Only in Russia it's more obvious to see: when Putin is president, Medvedev is PM than Medvedev is president and Putin is PM, than again chears are switched and Medvedv is PM and Putin is president. And so in each elections. It's fiction of democracy. But as Stalin said: "It's not important how people vote, it's important how votes are counted."
Okay then, why on Earth do you support the Nuland/CIA puppet in Kiev then? How are they better for the Ukraine going forward? What is your objective in demonizing Putin and Russia if the West is just as bad?
"why on Earth do you support the Nuland/CIA puppet in Kiev then?"
Silly wabbit! Trolls get paid!
I don't support US oligarch regime just as I don't support Putine oligarch regime.
I stand for Ukranian people and it's their country, it's their land! It's not for some regime to take it away from them. As already pointed out - people are supporting their country. Of course there is unloyal peope too - you have to live in this region to understand this. Also in Latvia there are Russians that are loyal to Latvia and it's independence and some that dream to restore USSR borders - something that Putin wants too.
Ukranians had to remove that Russian puppet president, he was criminal and stole huge wealth from Ukranians. So revolution was real. Of course than started hidden war who will get their guy in. Putin lost there so he started to invade hiding under "speratists". But you know that no-one can buy that equipment and tanks in shop. And those guys didn't even deny that are from Russian army: http://youtu.be/wMJwdX5IHm8
Made me laugh. Who do you think you are going to fool with that story?
Revolution was real! HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Oh, you actually believe that. Let me laugh harder. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
We are talking about the same Maidan revolution?
Huh?!?!? I was hoping for an HBO mini series, let him continue
Genuine curiousity - how old are you?
+1000 Nudelman cookies for viedolkis - good stuff!
You support the all the Ukrainian people or only those that support the current puppet government?
What about the Eastern Ukrainian sepratists? Do they also get your support? Are they not Ukrainian as well?
You're as Latvian as I am Martian.
Faux news much?
That is true. My parents fled Lithuania for Germany and worked there during the war. We came to USA in 1950 as DP's.
Russia was run by Bolsheviks in those years. The sons of Bolsheviks are now mostly in London, Tel Aviv and New York/Washington. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIuW-vNQsQI
"The sons of Bolsheviks are now mostly in London, Tel Aviv and New York/Washington."
I'm surprised at how uneducated people are to how things work. Rats don't stay ON sinking ships!
Most Bolsheviks were "Special" and "Exceptional". In fact, they were "Chosen"... by some "Guy in the Sky", with super powers and super toys. Either that or they were "Self-chosen" and were into "Revisionist Religion" and Snake Oil.
As such -- as Chosen -- they have always been into being Rulers over their Host. The Talmud says so and demands so. And if they could not be that, could not be Rulers, then they'd exact Vengeance -- probably "Divine Retribution", according to their Wise/Shamans. That (thesis) would explain a lot, IMHO.
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.530857
Russian Jewish museum of Tolerance opens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIG_dtBsHw4
Texe Marr lets rip (starts with Putin's address to Jewish Museum of Tolerance):
Vladimir Putin: "80 to 85% Jews in 1st Soviet Government."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3plO343bID8
The FK'ing Baltic counties, along with present-day western Ukraine (i.e. "Galicia") are damned lucky that the USSR didn't turn their little shit-stain countries into parking lots after all of the treason and collaboration they did with the Nazis during WW2.
Hell, the inbred FK's in the Baltics, as with the Banderists in western Ukraine, are still goose-stepping and singing their Nazi patriot songs.
http://forward.com/articles/194652/latvian-nazi-ss-veterans-march-in-annual-riga-para/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/thousands-pay-tribute-to-latvias-fallen-nazi-troops-1922388.html
And these are the FK's that the USA and EU are now supporting.
"Treason"? Is that what you call trying to rid your country of the "shit stain " of USSR rule? I guess you would have fought to keep that form of government in your country. Never thought I would read Stalin apologists on ZH.
I certainly am not defending the Georgian bastard Stalin's forced collectivization policies of the 30's and during the post WW2 purges, Hell, ethnic Russians suffered every bit as much as any other ethnic group in the USSR. In fact more ethnic Russians were imprisoned or died as a result of Stalin's policies than all other ethnic groups combined. If the whiners in the Baltic States, Poland, and western Ukraine (i.e. "Galicia") insist on holding their historical grudge about Stalin's policies maybe they should attack Stalin's home country of Georgia since the Georgians currently seem to love their homeboy so much:
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304713704579091820237130970
Your first two paragraphs are irrelevant as to why anybody has the right to occupy the Baltic states. US did a lot worse to the native americans yet no one occupies us ( yet). You demonization and generalization of the Baltic peoples just exposes your ethnocentrism bias towards all things Russia.
They are singing Latvian not nazi songs, and they are marching with flowers not with nazi symbols. show video proof of what you said
Is Israel in NATO yet?
it's kind of implicit, to be formally inducted they would have to disclose some things that are better left in the "let's not even go there" file..
W-E-C....no they are running briiics
As with most things Israeli, they'll leave it ambiguous.
No. They're into ZATO.
Maybe they could run this propaganda during Thursday Night Football tomorrow night?
There will be no war during NFL games. Please conduct yout fighting from Tuesday to Thursday afternoon.
Roger Goodell
is there a National Fag League game tonight? no, then I will bet 1000 Tatums on SPY short, just for gurgles
France just announced they will not be delivering the two warships they have been building for Russia. Watch this space for response.
The French Navy have apparently been fairly open about wanting the two Mistrals for themselves. Since about January, if I recall. Wonder what they want with two honking big helicopter carrying assault ships? Not as though they'll need to invade anybody's ass in the near future, after all.... oh, wait... they just ordered another 30-odd NH90 transport helicopters and 41 more Tiger attack helicopters, too, didn't they... hmm....
they could use them in Morocco on their way to Nigeria
That would be one DEVIOUS (but totally 'French') way for their MIC to get more toys: Use Russia to land the deal, then use Russia+Ukraine as the pretext/excuse for killing it and getting the Yanks to pay for it. Diabolically clever. Hmmm... too clever for even the French. Only a Zionist would be smart, shrewd and devious enough to come up with that one. /s
BNP Paribas 10 bilions USD.
Mistral 2 billions USD.
This is 0.3% of the French GDP in just 2 months.
BNP Paribas 10 bilions USD.
Mistral 2 billions USD.
This is 0.3% of the French GDP in just 2 months.
Fuck NATO. Long BitCoin
Heard something interesting the other day. The U.S. is the only country that is up-to-date within NATO. Everyone else is under manned, under funded, under equipped, etc. In fact, the U.S. over equips, funds, mans, to compensate. So NATO fails when the petrodollar fails....
It is being reported that Harper(CanadianStooge) is going to feel the full press of Nato for it's shortcomings, namely the requirement for spending 2% of GDP on Defense. Canada currently spends about 1%, and is slated for cutbacks in the coming year.
It will be interesting to see if Harper bends over...wait if Harper bends the taxpayer over and injects a new defense spending bill.
Fuck NATO!
That tell you anything about how committed the rest of NATO is to what are mainly US goals? According to the UK military grapevine, even we - with our much-vaunted 'special relationship' - are considering selling one of the two Queen Elizabeth class carriers we're building. I believe India is interested.
There are quieter rumours, though I've heard them in three or four different places, that some of the Royal Navy brass wants to pull out of the F-35 fuckup and use the money from selling the second carrier to fit electro-magnetic cats to the one we're keeping and buy Rafael aircraft - already carrier proven - from the French along with some of the 'Goshawk' version of the Hawk we're selling to the US Navy as trainers and light attack aircraft.
May just be the usual military rumour mill, of course, but there's seldom smoke without at least a flicker of fire, in my experience.
Barack won't allow UK to get anything else than US aircraft. The French can dream about it and that's all!
I served a tour in Germany, and I can assure you that based on the exercises we ran, NATO could not fight its way out of a wet paper bag. Even with US forces, fighting a consolidated opponent like the Russians would be a nightmare.
"In fact, the U.S. over equips"
Obviously
Everyone
Hopefully
- for us -
.... this Video propaganda will be shown in Schools in 10 years time, under the title "Orwellian / Military State"
Did anyone catch that gem at the end of the video? More people in the world have access to mobile phones than toilets.
Priorities bitches.
Gots ta have my cellphone. I can always shit in the nearest clean water source.
Priorities exactly. You can't upload pictures of yourself with jizz on the face to the "cloud" with a toilet.
"France has suspended the delivery to Russia of the first of two Mistral helicopter carrier ships, due to events in eastern Ukraine.
“The situation is serious. Russia’s recent actions in the east of Ukraine contravene the fundamental principles of European security,” said a statement from the office of President Francois Hollande.
"The president of the Republic has concluded that despite the prospect of ceasefire, which has yet to be confirmed and put in place, the conditions under which France could authorise the delivery of the first helicopter carrier are not in place."
The two ships were commissioned by Russia in 2011 at the cost of $1.6 billion. The first of these, the Vladivostok, was due to come into service at the end of this year, with the second, the Sevastopol, due to be completed in 2015.
France’s suspension does not fall under the sectoral sanctions the EU and the US imposed upon Russia for purported meddling in the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine, introduced last month. That raft of sanctions did not cover deals signed before their imposition."
http://rt.com/news/184848-france-mistral-delivery-russia/
Those goddamn spinless French ! Always kiss-up up the the USA... (wait a second...)
French = Bitches....
French surplus rifles on Ebay
Never fired, Dropped once.
Most of the bitches I know have way more backbone than this French Gov.
Just sayn'
It makes you wonder if Hollande will demand refundation for the suffered losses, doesn't it?
'Mericans, boycott French Fries!
Freedumb Fries are already on le menu...avec l'amburguuuur.
How many Americans do you think are fully behind a binding agreement that treats an attack on Estonia as equivilent to an attack on New York City?
I am totally into that as long as the agreement says we will react by eating more Cheetos.
how many amis give a s*it?
and how many amis would be willing to do anything about it?
Depends how the bullshit is spun. How many Americans supported attacking the "wrong" country over 911?
Yer either wid us, errr again us ! (remember?)
Could someone please, PLEASE! , destroy new york? Just make sure you do it before any banksters escape!
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/nato_countries.htm
Hm... I don't see Ukraine on that list.
Seems that the western oligarchs are running out of veils...
anagram of veils=evils. No shortage there...
True. Baltics are too deep into RF territory to defend effectively and have no real strategic value. Joining NATO just paints a target on their back.
farking garbage. NATO has ZERO reason to exist. If anything, the damage being caused is directly due to the mofo policy of the fascist/Nazis in DC and the EU. NATO is just looking for an excuse to exist. But no more, soon they will be given marching orders by the biggest EU countries.
How will we defeat the Red menace, prevent the dominoes from falling, and protect freedom-n-democracy through-out the world without NATO?
Not burning 17% of the oil recovered globally every year on fuelling military kit that's mainly used in the acquisition of more oil resources would be a start. Talk about a snake eating it's own tail. That thing must be chowed down as far as it's own nuts by now.
You must be one of the commy hippies who thinks Americans should be driving around in euro-pansy girly cars.
REAL Mericans don't think that way. We need the oil to prove we're the most powerful nation on the planet. And Big-MIC gets us our oil.
GUARDIAN = TOTAL TRASH PROPAGANDA!
I'm confused is Ukraine a member of NATO
No, but neither was EYE-Rack.
There is a threat to NATO nations tho.
General Jack D. Ripper: Your Commie has no regard for human life, not even of his own. For this reason men, I want to impress upon you the need for extreme watchfulness. The enemy may come individually, or in strength. He may even appear in the form of our own troops. But however we must stop him. We must not allow him to gain entrance to this base. Now, I'm going to give you THREE SIMPLE rules: First, trust NO one, whatever his uniform or rank, unless he is known to you personally; Second, anyone or anything that approaches within 200 yards of the perimeter is to be FIRED UPON; Third, if in doubt, shoot first then ask questions later. I would sooner accept a few casualties through accidents rather losing the entire base and its personnel through carelessness. Any variation of these rules must come from me personally. Any variation on these rules must come from me personally. Now, men, in conclusion, I would like to say that, in the two years it has been my privilege to be your commanding officer, I have always expected the best from you, and you have never given me anything less than that. Today, the nation is counting on us. We're not going to let them down. Good luck to you all.
"There is a threat to NATO nations tho."
IBID: There is a threat to ZATO interests* though.
* Where "interests" have everything to do with keeping the hegemony of the USD (as the GRC), and with it all the budgets and lifestyles of MIC-People. It's a complete and symbiotic co-dependency, where one supports the other.
It was on that video. Think they were hoping to slide that one by? The green 'morph' included Crimea, too, and lets be honest, they ain't ever getting that motherfucker back into Ukraine unless they can kill every Russian wearing a camo clown suit first. And probably 70%+ of the people who live there, too.