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NATO Vs Russia (In 99 Seconds)
NATO has often seemed to lack purpose, and now, as The Guardian explains in this excellent 99-second primer on how we got here; at its summit in Wales this month NATO faces one of its biggest challenges in years – the defense of Europe against Russia...
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Ukraine plans 500,000 under arms by end of 2014:
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com.au/2014/07/video-urgent-appeal-by-igor...
They were "deputized." </snark>
the nuclear war in 2014
the nuclear war in 2015
the only hope is that rest of world urgently stops using usd, in which case, the millitary will be without means to go attacking russian people in their homes, as they are already doing.
Before the end of this month, the way things are going!
Nations generally have their hands full trying to keep themselves functioning and running marginally wel WHY would they want to take on or conquer others? Natural resources you say? How did that turn out for the US in Iraq? US dollar hegemony? Well we certainly abused the priviledge of a world-currency and to now complain is indicative of a serious mental disorder which certainly will not be ameliorated or cured by going to war. Bottom line, tidy up your own house, that's a 24x7 job in itself....
Re: How did that turn out for the US in Iraq?
How many REAL patriots (unlike yourself) know - in their hearts - that this great-n-glorous nation WOULD HAVE WON the war in EYE-Rack and Vietnam if it wasn't for those goddamn commy pansy liberals?
Re: Bottom line, tidy up your own house, that's a 24x7 job in itself
That requires self-doubt, everybody knows - well, if you're a REAL patriot - that American is the best goddamn country on the face of the planet and only hippy liberals like yourself think otherwise. You probably hate the troops too. Get a goddamn haircut.
I was in Vietnam (68-69 1st Cav). Couldn't figure out why we were there then or now, Carried a lot of dying / dead boys back to Da Nang. Vietnam is still communist but now we actually trade with them. 56,000 for what?
A great nation will defend itself but not purposely slaughter it's young simply for idealogy and fiat.
Iraq/Afghanistan is/was another waste of American life and treasure, again all for ideology and fiat. Pretty much the same for all engagements after WWII.
I'll be first in line if someone attacks/invades my country but this business of international entanglements all for u.s hegemony and globalism has to stop.
And I consider myself a real patriot to the constitution I swore an oath to defend against foreign AND domestic,,, NOT to an out of control national government that uses my constitution for bathroom tissue.
R
Love it or leave it hippy, and get a goddamn haircut!
"WHY would they want to take on or conquer others?"
It's all about garnering MOAR credit from the western banksters...
" the defense of Europe against Russia..."
the premise sucks.
and so does the Guardian
Ah The trick is to run the premise by you without you questioning it, for once it's by you you focus only on things that are easier to play make-believe.
the primary goal is not worying about russia, it is worrying about keeping germany down. germany is still occupied territory by the americans. this is the 800,000 pound WHITE ELEPHANT in the room.
For a moment I thought you were talking about Israel
When we see the damage that EU leaders inflict to their own nation and people from the Russian sanctions, one can only imagine the control the US has over Europe.
Yeah, I like the Germans, too. ;-}
Beautiful country, great people. And not a people to fuck with, right back to Roman times. I truly think that's what scares the Anglo-Saxons. And it surely scares the hell out certain other ethnic groups, shall we say.
Thats why the wedge is driven between the Ruskies and Germans... Because together...
I agree the land is beautiful and I like the people, but you romanticize Deutschland.
They are neutered, docile, obedient little poodles who do stupid tricks on demand.
I sincerely wish it wasn't so, but it is.
I called my CongressPuke back when we were about the business of toppling Ghadaffi/Libya. Of course you only talk to an aide. I said something like.....'What the f*&k is that stoooooopid s&^t Obama engaging in regime change in Libya? Why haven't you protested that he is engaging in a war w/o consulting you? Why are you doing this anyway, ever since Reagan bombed the p^*s out of the place post Lockerbie and killed his daughter, Ghadaffi has become very docile. There is no genocide - except what Ghadaffi might be doing to al Quida in Libya, and in that he is a frenemy. Look how we messed up Egypt, Iran, Iraq, and Viet Nam. This never works. What the h#(l are you doing/thinking.'
They said, 'Well Sir, this is a NATO action, not President Obama.'
I said, 'NATO is the US and the US is NATO. NATA wouldn't move an inch w/o US permission, and when the US says jump, NATO says, how high?'
I was basically blown off. See what Bill Whittle says about Obama "gaslighting:"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aw3df-LpbY
Also know that the admin stonewalling on Benghazi has little to do with four (?) Americans being killed in a most disgraceful fashion - which is cause enough for an investigation. Rather it is all about covering up the absolute stupidity and illegality of the operation. And the fact that a lot of weapons we handed to al Quaeda in Libya, went to al Quaeda in Syria, and are now in the hands of ISIS. Was that a screw-up or intentional. Remember Barack Huessein Obama's favorite saying, "Alluah Akbar." (Did I get the spelling of that correct? Do I care?)
Propaganda going full retard
NATO= The North Atlantic Terrorist Organization.
it is all a scam for population and mind control.
the conflict is only real on the ground, limited
and short sighted.
the geopolitical conflict is a red herring. the
nation states are actors at this point pretending
to be at odds while the property/money players are
behind the scenes and on the same page of continuing
the illusions to feed to the masses to keep them
from awakening to their virtual and constructed world
of debt servitude and political impotence.
but, maintaining the absurdity is impossible.
i'll believe it till there is proof to the contrary.
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The power of accurate observation is commonly called
cynicism by those who don’t have it.
–George Bernard Shaw
Funny you give that schpiel, only to quote one of the Anglo-American Establishment's chief goons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Bernard_Shaw
Wonder how many are historically apt enough to catch that. Not many, methinks.
frequently, you can do ok by quoting
aphorisms penned by intellectuals so long as
you stay away from their ideology and grander
conclusions. funny
how that works?
from link ....
"My way of joking is to tell the truth. It's the funniest joke in the world." g.b.s.
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i wouldn't call him a goon, maybe a little monster among monsters?
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" In a newsreel interview released on 5 March 1931, dealing with alternatives to the imprisonment of criminals, Shaw says
You must all know half a dozen people at least who are no use in this world, who are more trouble than they are worth. Just put them there and say Sir, or Madam, now will you be kind enough to justify your existence? If you can't justify your existence, if you're not pulling your weight in the social boat, if you're not producing as much as you consume or perhaps a little more, then, clearly, we cannot use the organizations of our society for the purpose of keeping you alive, because your life does not benefit us and it can't be of very much use to yourself.[88][89]
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"Shaw's outlook was changed by World War I, which he uncompromisingly opposed despite incurring outrage from the public as well as from many friends. His first full-length piece, presented after the War, written mostly during it, was Heartbreak House (1919). A new Shaw had emerged—the wit remained, but his faith in humanity had dwindled. In the preface to Heartbreak House he said:
It is said that every people has the Government it deserves. It is more to the point that every Government has the electorate it deserves; for the orators of the front bench can edify or debauch an ignorant electorate at will. Thus our democracy moves in a vicious circle of reciprocal worthiness and unworthiness."
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complicated man for a complicated time.
Um, the MESSAGE!
It's appropriate to acknowledge/credit the messenger when repeating the message...
Even the most wretched have said things that hold a sense of "truth."
worthwhile broadcast, you will get the
significance if you have the time.
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Caravan To Midnight - Episode 110 Capital Kinetics with Greg Morse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmJKrhWucC0
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asymmetric financial warfare devouring the
real economy. class warfare where there
isn't really even a playing field, never mind
a level one.
"Communism is the most painful path from capitalism to capitalism." Dogbert
"If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it.
We're from the government, and we're here to help." Raygun
Russia doesn't threaten Europe. US/EU threaten Russia. Russia can and will defend itself, and has the means to do so.
we have always been at war with eurasia. " g.o.
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An example of doublethink in George Orwell's novel 1984. The totalitarian government of Oceania is constantly at war with one of the other two totalitarian superpowers that dominate the world: Eurasia and Eastasia. The objective is not to win the war, but to maintain a constant state of war in order to keep its citizens under control. When it is at war with Eastasia, the government declares that it has always been at war with Eastasia, that its people are an eternally hated enemy that must be destroyed. When the sides change, the same thing is said about Eurasia. It is considered every patriotic citizen's duty to believe both statements are true.
NATO vs RUSSIA
Gay vs Straight
Senseless Lies vs Sensible Deception
Puffery vs Action
Pop Culture vs Facts
Paper Assets vs Hard Assets
Leaderless Tactics vs Genuine Strategy
Obama has "zero" anything next to Putin ---It almost seems too pat-- you know like a mechanic delt hand in texas holdem ( four aces?) Is it for show? I'm starting to wonder-- is Obama a (under cover) die hard red blooded american (cause he has seen the dark side)?? How cool was it that he flipped and flopped his way out of going to war in Syria ---did Putin and Obama work under the radar together on this?? Is Obama playing the fool to fool the power brokers inside the shadow US gov't (that surely have shown him the "watch your back vidio")-- Is he at war with the MIC that Pres Eisenhower warned against?--He seems to be breaking things that need to be broken-- like the medical/insurance/perscription drug industry (via obamacare which was designed to fail)--Is he trying to stay out of war in the Ukraine by going this way then that and having no direction or policy? --
But I haven't figured out his US borders bullshit yet-- or the Imigration thing or maybe he doesn't have control over the dept of interior any more--I'm convinced he doesn't control State or DHS- Maybe only Justice but then again maybe not( release of ISIS bigshot before ISIS was born)-I think he is very isolated and probably pretty scared--
"Leaderless Tactics vs Genuine Strategy"
"Puffery vs Action"
And you are proposing?
All power ends eventually. NATO (and all that) pretty much ruled and now is seeing it's end. Trying to prop up that which is destined to fail with some (real) "leader" has not and never will work; it is, after all, The System.
"Senseless Lies vs Sensible Deception"
Huh? When it comes down to survival I hardly think that there's any sense of such "sensibleness" or "fair play" (as you seem to suggest).
NATO's lies are just plain stupid, transparent and pointless. Russia's deceptions are well thought out, have a pragmatic goal and are quite noble, alongside NATO.
I'm not proposing any NATO action except to get the hell out of Russia's backyard.
"the defense of Europe against Russia"
More like trying to twist NATO's mission into attacking Russia, China, and eventually subjugate the rest of the BRICS while appearing to "defend the sheeple" so "Just Us" can continue their "Control-P" ways.
Desperation and frustration may be setting in, they are dusting off relics as mouthpieces (reading it may ruin your lunch):
http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/08/how_to_solve_the_putin_problem.html
Their propaganda is failing so a astute person might expect one or more false flags soon. Hopefully the BRICS will be able to play another crystal clear "Fu$k the EU" type of Nutjob call and prove to the world once again how evil the US, EU, and NATO have become.
I don't think that any additional twist is necessary, as that's pretty much been it from the start: NATO thwarting Russia.
Europe, which the US depends on for protection of the banking clan (refer to The City of London) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_London]). The "secret" mission is being exposed (on a grander scale, thanks to the Internet and to there becoming opposing powers that can stand up to the threats).
Yeah, desperation is setting in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIbYL9Lhfsc
Another Freudian slip from the Master...
Insane McCain, fails mainly, in the brain!...
By jove he's demented and been working for those rabid Yids too long!!!
The Mad Hatter himself. Good grief....how does anyone take this guy seriously? He is completely insane.
can't even keep his enemies list in order, destroy ISIS, stand up to Putin and Huzzzbola of course, and Eye-Ran, must pay the consequences, bomb-bomb bomb Assad (2012-ish) and those pesky Taliban guys, and Libya... and...insert MIC bogeyman...
I upvoted your comment, and I am Jewish, because it's largely true.
regarding the video by being a landowner of a texan nato worker in my country what i heard from the nato workers is that nato is there just to protects the rights and benefits of the us
I would be shocked if the NATO meeting in Wales does not lead to the expedited absorption of Ukraine.
If it does not happen, then why all the Maidan drama from a year ago post Yanukovych's reversal from the Europe trade "deals" and IMF debt slavery.
It really is a lot more tense than folks realize, because if NATO does not act boldly, Russia will take it as a sign of weakness and disorganization and strike deeper in asymmetric ways. If NATO does act boldly its going to be a cold winter in Berlin.
Either way Russia and China trade gas, build their economies, buy gold and dump the dollar.
The thing with political cultures that embrace autocratic governments - Russia - is that its leadership will use the crisis as a means to consolidate power and the population at large actually identifies with the related suffering. It's the old song of Russia misery.
People forget that humps like Larry Summers went to Russia post collapse and induced the creation of the "oligarchs."
The "West" is just as guilty of destroying Liberty as Hitler, Mao and Stalin these last years with central banking games and wealth theft.
This is what happens when Harvard MBAs drink the China, Inc cool-aid. Fascism, with smiling multicolored Google cannabis infused selfie tendencies.
The US and Europe has its own tribes of ultra elites that play these games.
In some weirding way the same Great Power royal dynasties that were all related to each other prior to WWI are still bickering over respect. All proles should plan accordingly.
It would be funny if while Obama golfs in Wales, Putin deploys troops - not to Ukraine, but to Syria. 10,000 VDV sent in to secure Assad and fight ISIS for "humanitarian" reasons is certainly a more operatic prelude to performing the same function toward Odesa Oblast. Hard to get the air space clearances though. Funny if Syria becomes a proxy for Ukraine.
That is Friday night's news.
You've been listening to Glen Beck again and too much Faux News - if Russia doesn't act boldly the US/NATO pukes will be covering the systematic undermining and dismembering of Russia. As Paul Craig Roberts has noted, the fools in Washington have embraced a first strike option, so where do you think this unjustifed hyper agression by US/NATO is going ?
I'm not sure how you're disagreeing here, where your comments are vs. where those of "Glen Beck" and "Faux News" and "Paul Craig Roberts" are.
Please elaborate. Thanks.
I was replying to "Banko whozit"
I assumed that (based on the nested threading). I guess I was looking for some substance in refuting points that "Banko" made.
Not looking to agitate...
Let me throw a food for thought morsel out there.
bankonzhongguo wrote: It really is a lot more tense than folks realize, because if NATO does not act boldly, Russia will take it as a sign of weakness and disorganization and strike deeper in asymmetric ways.
That sounds a lot like like the "if we do not attack them there, they will attack us us here" bullshit. It is a particularly pernicious red herring that moves discussion away from the actual issue and facts, positing a different argument that is easier to win, thereby gathering support (or at least tacit approval/passive indifference) for whatever brutality and carnage a nation wants to carry out, without reasoned debate or thought.
It is also disingenuous in the extreme, given who the agitators and aggressors really are in this situation. Once you get away from the issue and start making other things the issue, anything can be justified.
There are many of these red herrings, with hundreds of variations.
Demagoguery 101...
Russia'a gas is an easy target-- Nato (read Europe) is not going to attack energy again-- not after Iraq-- Russia will never go far beyond its borders in aggression when it is in a win win anyway by just holding pat. All the wars (policy from within) seem to be to destabilize the US economy and force MIC takeover of US govt --NATO is owned by US military --"just the facts maam"
"The thing with political cultures that embrace autocratic governments - Russia - is that its leadership will use the crisis as a means to consolidate power"
Gee, what government has been doing this post haste for the last fourteen years or so ??
Ever since the Snowden affair The Guardian has been a mouthpiece for the US foreign policy one has to ask what leverage has the NSA got over the Guardian?
The editorial is blatent propaganda.
100% agree... The about face in Guardian reporting is astonishing. I suspect that the British Government, on behalf of their master across the Pond, "advised" the Guardian that they had better tow the FKI'ing line or be shut down.
Was Serbia part of NATO and/or did it attack a NATO nation? Excuse used R2P
Was Libya part of NATO and/or did it attack a NATO nation? Excuse used R2P
Afghanistan / Iraq was attacked because the u.s blamed the WTC demolition on Al Ciaduh when all but one were Saudi. ( assuming one believes the u.s narrative )
My point being is nothing but disinformation and lies are needed to prompt a NATO attack. Russia probably has little to worry about as the NATO warriors only attack the defensless...... so far.
Syria, on the other hand......
R
Only appears that the dress code has been firmly solidified as "thin veil," no?
Don't you mean to "threaten" a NATO attack?
This would be the first NATO war with an enemy possessing nuclear weapons.
Kosovo, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Nada.
It ain't gonna happen.
Most of the US's NATO allies have agreed to say and do anything that looks like a fight.
But that doesn't mean they have agreed to fight.
It's just a game of chicken where the loser loses face, unless the loser gets the winner to pretend it's a draw.
Russia probablt has enough nuclear warheads for each NATO country.
Easily. You only need a modest number, even for a large landmass like the USA, if you aim 'em at the right targets. Nuclear reactors, dams that would flood large industrial, heavily populated areas (Dambusters raid on the Ruhr dams in WW-II, for example) and such. If the aim is simply to kill a lot of people and utterly fuck up the country's industry, then the job is not actually that difficult - or why do the French, British, Israelis and to a lesser degree China not feel the need for bigger nuclear arsenals? You don't need that many, unless your goal is to sterilise the planet.
Nuclear reactors = force multipliers.
Repost, but pertinent:
Revised calculations and coverup of same, on the effects of nuclear exchange, even a very limited one (and that would be on top of x3 very very very dirty bombs already puking their guts out into the Pacific and the jetstream at Fuku 24/7 for 1302 days, plus WIPP, plus Chernobyl, plus TMI, plus 435 'active' reactors around the world, plus over 250,000 tons of acutely toxic and lethal spent fuel rods in open pools etc etc with no remediation technology yet conceived).
http://www.corbettreport.com/interview-926-steven-starr-describes-nuclea...
Peace
Offensive use is not required. Nukes are only to keep others from trying to take you over. Russia has the pieces for continuing the "game," the US/West is, clearly, losing the "game." Nukes will be used to paint the story, to rally the "troops," but from here on out it's really going to be bits and bytes that will dictate the outcome.
THe rising tension between Nato and Russia would not be happening if the economies of the US and Europe were not totally dysfunctional. TPTB need a war to juice their economies but mainly to provide a scapegoat for their economic mismanagement Anyone who supports this warmongering from Obama down to your opinionated man in the street is just protecting the interests of the 1%.
The almost total control of the western news media is what enables this sad state of affairs.
Re: The almost total control of the western news media is what enables this sad state of affairs.
Not really, "the media" is people from the society. The US society hasn't questioned authority for many many generations. "The media" blindly accepted Vietnam for the same reason it blindly accept Iraq and blindly accepts events in the Middle East and Ukraine. Because, there's no concept of (or language available) for US people to question that the US is THEE most above-average country in the entire world. How could an above-average country not do wants best for the world? ANYBODY who suggests otherwise, isn't a REAL Merican.
Country FIRST!
You write SO well I cant tell if you keep leaving off your 'sarc' symbol. So just in case you're serious:
Sorry, media don't 'blindly accept' anything. Media is owned for the large part by the same corporations who have the same interests as the MIC/bankster classes. They push their agenda through propaganda and mind manipulation.
Before I went to the US for the first time, I thought the phrase 'have a nice day', was superficial, vacuous and as substantive as a McDs bun. Once there I realised that every single person I heard it from was saying it from the heart, and genuinely meant it. I loved the US, and the feeling that I had when I got off the plane that ANYTHING WAS POSSIBLE (in a good way, like 'The American Dream' used to mean). That was pre-911.
The US is not the same. The world is not the same. Even if the good-hearted people are enduring in the highly competetive 'winner takes all' race that is the base, blessing and the bane of US 'exceptionalism' and 'indispensibility', someone(s) have changed the marker posts on the track, and the race has been hijacked. Maybe from a different knowlege of history, nothing's changed, and the landmass that was stolen from the First Nations is now being re-stolen from the generations who industrialised it (as is happening here in Australia), by NeoFascist (according to Mussolini's definition) Corporate Supra-States, with 'elected governments' as the presentable frontmen.
The rest of the world (can u find it on a map?) really is fed up with the US/PTB lies and deceptions that usher in yet more outrageous atrocities, lies and deceptions, just so the MIC and bankster classes can line their nests with feathers ripped from the bleeding backs of every other living creature on the planet. Who the fuck are these people? How long will/can they get away with this? This is not OK.
The US will be truly indispensible and exceptional when she takes the lead in saving the planet from extinction (nukes, fossil fuel conquest, bogus debt, HAARP, frequency manipulating DEW, GMO etc), not leads us there. You say TomAto, we say Hubris.
Peace
The real problem is that TPTB know that they don't have the resources to doing any real "juicing." And, well, ALL wars are about resources. The desperation is HUGE when there are no low-hanging resource grabs available, when, in order to try and prop up the failing system, it comes down to having to confront a REAL challenger for resoruces. It was ALWAYS going to come down to Clash of the Titans.
Regardless of the outcome of this "battle," the "war" -the "end"- will see all pretty much turned back a couple hundred years.
We'll just cross over the border to Belgrade and teach them a lesson. It'll be quick.
Right. We'll be home by Christmas, 1917
That's exactly what MacArthur told Truman in Oct/1950 regarding the Korean War. The war ends three years later in 1953, with no-armistice. All because Big-Mac was secretely fighting for Chiang Kai-shek of Formosa/Taiwan and using Imperialist Japanese forces (after the war [VJ Day])? NICE!!!
He also was anticipating a de`commissioned retirment from the US Military in which the Philippine Government had petitioned him as their supreme military commander. WOW!!!
Unfortunately Truman fired him? all politics {Petraeus anyone?}.
http://www.crf-usa.org/bill-of-rights-in-action/bria-17-3-b-truman-macarthur-and-the-korean-war.html
jmo
Truman Treason
http://www.hourofthetime.com/bcmp3/274A.mp3
guardian is another rothschild front
100 years of tavistock psy op technique invested making it look like a beacon of fine journalism,independent thought and caring humanity.
it is just a talmudic good cop to murdoch rags bad cop.
all lies
all a festering covert dung heap of kosher shite
well said Tony...these bullshit red/blue/lib/con/prog/ media whores all serve the same master...so fucking obvious
I think that you're being too kind here!
Nato and the EU are about to defend a non-Nato, non-EU country from a non-attacking Russia.
Meanwhile, a banker fighting for the bad guys gets KIA. https://news.vice.com/article/the-only-american-fighting-for-ukraine-dies-in-battle
nato is not insane or talmudic or satanic
enough of this putin propaganda already
everything you wanted to know and understand about nato
we are the good guys we are here to help.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSi4HE0OBcA
"The defense of Europe against Russia..." Are you fucking kidding? You mean the gang-fuck of Russia by the West and their Anglo-Zionist masters hell bent on setting up one central ATM machine for themselves through private central banking and one-world order which they own and control?
I sure don't feel like I need someone to defend me against Russia. I believe the sanctions against Russia is just a blame-game. If they work, then fine. If they backfire - blame Russia for messing up our economies. A Force Majeur from responsability.
NATO is a fucking joke as is The Guardian.
The prepping book of all prepping books
http://newamerica-now.blogspot.com/2014/02/beyond-collapse.html
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In reality America has few military options in Russia's backyard unless it has the backing of a full and enthusiastic NATO and that is very unlikely. Europe has reason to be unexcited about a possible long and expensive conflict. While still trying to recover from a recession Europe would face fuel shortages and a massive spike in the price of natural gas.
Putin a great deal of leverage. Don't hold your breath for Putin to back-off or back-down, he has put down his marker and is now playing both Obama and Kerry for fools. If an actual ground attack does occur the Russians will not rollover as other armies have when America approaches. More on this subject in the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/07/putin-holds-all-cards.html
"NATO attacks!" 9/3/14 by Mr. Pepe Escobar
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/World/WOR-02-030914.html
Note: Pay close attention to comment section...?
a summary of current events...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzK4d66Laoo