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The "Other" Immigration Problem
When Americans talk about immigration, they picture those they want to keep out: undocumented people sneaking across the southern border. But, as Bloomberg's Kathleen Hunter reports, when U.S. businesses talk about immigration, they picture people they’d like to bring in: ones with science, math or technology skills, notable artists or those willing to pick tomatoes. The U.S. wants these immigrants. The 'other' immigration problem, then, is in deciding who and how many should be admitted.
Both U.S. tech and agriculture employers say there are not enough Americans able to fill all the available jobs.
Facebook, Google, Intel and Cisco Systems are among the companies lobbying Congress to increase the number of technology workers, who enter the U.S. on H-1B visas. In fiscal 2014, it took just six days for the federal government to reach the 85,000 allotted petitions for H-1B visas for the year.
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U.S. businesses bring in seasonal agriculture workers under the H-2A visa program; these are limited to 66,000 per fiscal year.
Meanwhile, movie stars, distinguished academics and professional athletes face less trouble getting special U.S. work visas set aside for those with “extraordinary ability.”
Extraordinary bank accounts allow the rich to receive visas if they’re willing to invest at least $500,000 in the U.S. and create at least 10 jobs within two years.
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The U.S. Senate immigration reform bill passed in 2013 initially would raise the annual H-1B visa limit to 135,000 from 85,000; it could increase in later years to 180,000. Some House Republicans didn’t like the sweep of the Senate bill, which included a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants, and instead want to move separate legislation for the expansion of technology worker visas. Democrats who control the Senate have resisted that approach; they want to use the promise of more H-1Bs as the sweetener to help get broader immigration reform legislation enacted. So Congress stands at an impasse.
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Here's the kind of immigrants we get.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft8UuzIS-ec
How many? None, until we have some social cohesion.
OK, that problem's solved. Next?
Facebook, Google, Intel and Cisco Systems are among the companies lobbying Congress to increase the number of technology workers, who enter the U.S. on H-1B visas.
Fuck Facebook, Google, Intel, and Cisco. Fuck CONgress. Let's increase the number of CONgresspeople and get some actual represenatation.
Was I the only one expecting this post to be about Canadians stealing all our good acting and musician jobs?
Fuck you Michael J Fox.
I got my green card December 2012. It took me 9 years total, 6 of which I had to accept piss wages and kiss Americans asses. Fuck it!
After I got it I returned to India and said fuck those pigs!
I hope the door didn't hit you in the ass on your way out.
EVERYBODY hates the U.S. But they ALL want to come here. And then, when they get here, they can't wait to turn it into a shithole like they just left.
Don't know why people downvoted you.... Spread the word... it isn't all sunshine and lolipops... They're using hightech cheaplabour which in turn drives down wages and jerbs for local high tech folks.
Also, just like how the west brain drains developing countries for more taxi drivers. Not joking or trying to be racist at all. It's been in the news for a long time like cardiologist driving taxi! etc etc.
"6 of which I had to accept piss wages and kiss Americans asses. Fuck it!"
Reap what you have created.
Isn't that the biggest issue with H1B visas and even green cards? Not quite an indentured servant, but pretty friggin close.
I work with lots of very bright people from India......vast majority are contract hires, all being lead by the carrot that if you work just a little longer and harder, just maybe there will be a full time position for you.
That, in my opinion is why companies are pushing for these immigration changes...not that the skills don't exist in the U.S...they do! But more so companies don't want back talking, question asking american....nope, give me a mealy mouthed PhD that works 60 to 80 hours per week for 50k.
and they will vote to do away with our bill of rights, just like the Latinos coming here from the south.
Honestly, I have worked with the Indians forever in the software space and I could give not one fuck how many come here on H1B if I thought they would uphold the bill of rights and the constitution.
I used to think that most people from other parts of the world could see through the USSA media-driven propaganda and recognize despotism at a passing glance; that it was only the American morons who were so friggin gullibly brain-washed. Smart as they are, as much as they value education, the Indians are as brainwashed as the rest of the country. Most get their news from CNN.
Yeah I work in software. Some Indians are really good, know their stuff. Probably about 35% of them. The rest are middling at best. A lot who come here are interested in the same things: Mercedes or BMW, that upper middle class "look". That's all they're worried about. If this place becomes fascist, well I guess they're used to chaotic or corrupt political situations anyway.
Neither one of you get it. Indians go to America to earn money. While there we save it and then return home to India and live a good life. Who the fuck would want to stay in that sh*thole forever? Were like the Mexicans only we make a shitload more.
Immigration TO India must be simply overwhelming, being the paradise it is and all.
Come for holiday you may not want to return.
http://www.thrillophilia.com/blog/best-beaches-india/
Your comment is almost meaningless. So there's a few nice beaches, so what? Can you also work and earn there? Of course not. Every country on earth has a couple of nice beaches.
Beautiful scenery, yes. But disgustingly filthy, lousy, and swarming with beggers. No thanks--never again.
Sam Cohen was probably thinking of India when he envisioned the neutron bomb.
US may be a lot of things, but Shithole? Do you walk around blindfolded while in your home country? India is the very definition of a shithole.
Must be great to live in a country where over seventy percent of the population deficates in the open.
LMFAO. Someone with a name synonous with toiletbowl-full-of-barf referring to the States as a shithole.
Thaaaaaat's funny.
There's a big reason for this which no one seems to discuss.
A lot of young people don't go into tech just BECAUSE of immigrants coming in for those jobs. It depresses salaries no matter what Obama says. To add to that, the continued outsourcing is well known to everyone, depressing them further. It's also a little harder to advance in your field when your whole department gets moved to India. The main "skill" they have is the willingness to work for less.
So people have it backwards. More H1-Bs means fewer Americans will enter the field.
Not the same as we get here. Pakistani paedophiles, romanian gypsy paedophiles, any muslim paedophiles.
Please help us get rid of them, we aren't allowed guns.
Grimbert: And, bankster pedophiles.
You're a moron! They aren't Muslim they are obviously Mussad conducting a black flag operation.
How bout this...they can come in so long as: they pay taxes, they do not accept any form of welfare, they pay their own healthcare, and they learn to speak and write English. We want people here who will work hard, not be moochers, and assimlate to our society.
I too would like to earn so I can pay taxes, pay for my own healthcare and I'm fluent in English.
I work hard like a fucking slave, 10-12 hour days 5-6 days a week.
When I get a job first, then all the H1B lined up behind me can get one, but not until then.
Hehe I agree with you but the last point (assimilation).
I am here to make big bucks, but certainly not to assimilate... All my colleagues apprecite me (as far as I know) for who I am and that is enough...
It was easier for Uncle Sam to force people to assimilation 100 years ago when distance made it impossible to keep news about its native place.
Then get the fuck out and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Fucking carpetbaggers.
Nope I told you... I am staying here, and your insults only bring a smile to my face while writing that comment (-:
Then stay and shut the fuck up.
And stop shitting in the street...I know its you doing it.
Freedom of speech, I say what I like and do not like.
Ahah, I like your second sentence... in fact my dog does and sometime I do not pick it up...
No worry, he is from Iowa, he is a real greengo.
And one more thing, my dog stays home, he does not work, he won't take your job, that's a promise.
Oh, I see, your dog is part of the free shit army. It stays at home and collects government benefits.
Signed: an American.
His dog is an 'american'.
Nope, no us crap benefits for him.
He's brought up in a family of hard-working people, who can easily afford whatever he needs.
The h1bers have changed the demographics of whole towns, but, all they seem to do is go for long walks in funny outfits with small kids and open Indian restaurants
How about - as many of these people with degrees as can make it here and get a job, and otherwise, we build a giant fucking wall on the border to keep out those who yearn to be free but can't b bothered unfucking their own country...
some revolutions are over-due, N and S of the border, eh?
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Also, off topic, but excellent in R McCain, ISIS, Red Shield, and why we can't have nice things:
http://www.bollyn.com/home/#article_14859
they've got a HUGE sub-continent. HUGE. despite all the people, the fucking indians have plenty of resources, mountains, deserts, jungles, coast lines, airable land. mountains are sking visitors, jungles are tiger watchers, coast lines are fishing industry and more tourism.
UNFUCK your own country. make it so you don't come here and steal jobs and do shit job of it.
The Canucks are obviously our Biggest problem, eh.
/sarc
You're not joking!!!
Where are your parents, great-parents, or great-great-great parents from, you MORON?
People like you are a disgrace to your country and I am happy to get the job that you could obviously not obtain.
UNFUCK YOURSELF FROM THAT TYRANIC JEALOUSY… The world is not waiting for you, your country neither…
My grandparents came here and assimilated. they learned English and became Americans, not German Americans or British Americans....just plain ole Americans. They did not come to make enough money to go back home and live the good life. They made there home here and invested their life here and fought in a couple of wars here...against their supposed homeland.
Unfortunately, your grand-parents, despite all their efforts to do well during their life-time, failed with their racist, uneducated, intolerant "foodstamp-taking-care"offsrpings.
"La roue tourne". Hopefully your kids or grand-kids won't inherit from you but from your grand-parents!
"Keine harten Gefühle"
You obviously have no clue what it means to be a racist. I'm am not supposing I am in anyway superior to you, only that you are in MY FUCKING HOUSE running your god damned mouth. My grandparents fought to be here and stay here. They earned their stay. What are you doing but complaining about America while you take the money and run? Get the fuck out or stay and shut the fuck up. Show a little respect for what my grandparents did if not for me.
I do not take any money, I do not win any money... I work hard for it and I deserve it! Obviously this is difficult to grasp for your sclerotic-socialist mind where everything comes for free.
I pay taxes for every dollar I earn and I would not mind paying more if I coulld decide what my taxes are used for... and guess what? That would not be for the defense.
I thought my previous response was showing ample respect to your grand-parents.. If not, read it again!
Remember, it's all about you, nobody else!
And guess what, your gouvernement is in my f#@##@ house too, sleeping in my bed and taking my food away. A charge de revance!
Again, I do not owe anything else that I alerady give! I will work hard, play hard and live when I decide to. Basta!
When you come to my country and work under a visa, you are a guest. Act like a guest. I have no problem with you working and earning, I have a problem with your attitude towards your host country. Again I say, if you don't like it shut up or leave. That would be the courteous thing to do, or do they not teach you that in YOUR home country.
Your rules of the game are only entitled to whoever follows them and I don't.
F### the guest/host narrative, this is old lyrics from the last millenium.
I am just a tax-payer like you are and for that, I can say what I have in mind, whether you like it or not!
In my "home country", we hear criticisms from "guests" and this is part of the rule of the game, everybody shall talk!
Oldwood....don't encourage him and don't worry about him.
If it makes you feel any better, the one group that despises Indians the most is other Indians. There is a reason why an entire continent of 1.2BILLION.....yes, BIIILLLIIIIOOOONNNN Indians don't amount to jack and can barely pull themselves out of the stone age. That is because they excel at one thing....being annoying. To the point that it makes their entire culture disfunctional.....think about that....amazing.
The only thing possibly more amazing is that the retards in charge decided to bring them here....
If they were unable to pull themselves out of the stone ages, how does it come they account for more than 60 pc of the kind of visa?
Silicon stones?
Come on AnAnonymous? You should have understood by now the over-simplistic point-of-view of those commenters.
The US government is allowing US corporation to hire foreign (mostly Indians) skilled labor and then they pay them really cheap, like $100k a year for an engineer.
This is a shame, how could an average american live with such a low salary?
Ahahah I am Indian now, I like that!
Your immense knowledge about indians is an ode to wisdom!
Your hatred for foreigners and your simplistic approach to define a nation, a society, or a culture must not help you in your every-day life.
I can only hope that your company, your streets and any public space you go to, are full of foreigners and idiotic indians.
Well, some US Americans thought all their life they grew up as russian, only to discover later they were were ukrainian.
It is how it works in an 'american' world.
Alas, alas, three times alas, they later discovered they were donbassian or banderatarded.
Funny as an 'american' bearded clam.
they ARE NOT FROM A SHITHOLE - and i HAD THE JOB UNTIL YOU FUCKERS STOLE IT BY CHEATING AND LYING.
and i'm not joking. i can't wait for my retirement day. i'm going to hit you and the rest of you so fucking hard yo mama is going to wake up in bombay and cry 'oh, my baby'.
The state where the greatest number of illegal immigrants with homicide-related convictions were reportedly released was California. CIS says the city or town with the greatest concentration of convicted-killer illegal immigrants was Miami, followed by Los Angeles and the Bronx.
And the most stringent gun prohibition laws too.
Texas has a lot of immigration but not as much crime.
"The U.S. wants these immigrants."
No, we don't. We need a 50+ year moratorium on ALL immigration just to assimilate the post-1965 wave we've already had foisted on us.
THE ELITES WANT IMMIGRANTS...AND THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS
Your voice has no value and you know it, this is the way your coutry works. Corporations decide what is good for you, not you! But don't worry, you can vote in 2016!
A new wave of immigration comes that do not give a damn sh$%^ about american-football or baseball, fast-food or soda, Hollywood or Broadway, etc...
We bring our own way of life and you will accept it whether you like it or not! C'est la vie...
like it or not...and I don't. You gotta admit, ebader is right on that point.
Although I enjoy a good bashing here on ZH as much as anyone. Directing frustration about immigration toward immigrants is as about as intelligents as all the dumb shits in Ferguson looting the grocery store because a white cop shot a black man.
Again, the immigration policy has nothing to do with Cos inablity to find technical skills locally...it's about getting very cheap technical skils and having lots and lots of people clamoring for a few 'choice' postions so it's some overpaid middle manager to more easily exploit.
http://www.mtu.edu/engineering/outreach/welcome/salary/
The salary of an average aged and skilled engineer is close to $100k per year.
http://politicalcalculations.blogspot.com/2013/09/what-is-your-us-income...
That is at the top 93% of income in the US!
Your interpretation of "cheap technical skills" is simply a false narrative, stop hiding your head in the ground!
There is 93% of Americans who'd love to earn that much!
So yes, I totally agree with your "cheap technical skills" narrative, in the sense that $100k a year is a real bargain to hire some over-skilled foreign engineers, in regard to what a "local" engineer may bring to the company.
You have to keep in mind that engineers tend to be, at least in the tech sector, concentrated in some of the highest cost living areas of the United States. Most don't even earn enough to afford home ownership using the traditional 3X salary metric. Hence, even $100k isn't very much. It certainly is quite a bit below what most professionals with the sort of training involved rigour and intelligence-wise, earn.
If you check indeed.com, you will see that engineers are demanded all over the country, in every state, huge or smaller cities.
Huge corp may concentrate in the Silicon Valley, but smaller ones (public or privately-owned) are everywhere and pay as well.
Also, it is normal nowaday for both parents to work, so you may double that number and then that's a lot of money!
I am not sure what you call "professionals with the sort of training involved rigour and intelligence-wise"?
Some people may simply like being an engineer!
Bullshit. We need a moratorium on ILLEGAL immigration and an expansion of LEGAL immigration of skilled workers. Banning all immigration is a ridiculous idea, ask just about any businessman.
How does expanding any immigration benefit American citizens?
Probably the same way as it worked for the last 300 years!!!
Recipes for the wealth of a nation are not fully understood but I am sure that an open nation has more chance than a closed one, i.e. South oops North Korea.
Lol, evidently you haven't tried to apply for citizenship in South Korea. You have no idea what you're taking about. I would trade our immigration laws for South Korea's in a HEARTBEAT!
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_South_Korea
I apologize, it was meant to be an easy joke, but I agree that it is badly written.
I meant a "closed nation" like North Korea. I intentionaly placed the word "South", as a reminder of the lack of geographical knowledge of some politicians, i.e. Sarah Palin.
Still, I did not know the imigartion laws in South Korea, so thanks for the link.
You are talking out of your ass and obviously have no clue how the US immigration worked for the last 300 years..
Obviously the USA did not exist 300 years ago!
Did I ever mention that I knew everything about the US immigration Dude? I did not write a thesis on the us immigration in the 18th century, nor did you!
I simply said the USA has most likely been more opened than North Korea for as long as it has existed. Deny it if you want it, you will be the fool!
I'm a business man and you sir, are completely wrong.
A 50+ years moratorium to assimilate?
It should be made one million years. Or at least enough to see 'americans' disappeared from the face of the earth.
'American' societies cant assimilate.
Assimilation implies that newcomers or non assimilated adopt the behaviour of the locals.
'Americans' never assimilated everywhere they went.
In return, they cant assimilate people as 'americans' can not bear people acting the 'american' way.
For example, hopping borders illegally is an 'american' thing. But when people do act this 'american' way, they are lambasted for doing the 'american' thing.
'Americanism' is all about submission. It is a web of superior-inferior relationship between a self perceived King class aka WeThePeople aka the 'american' middle class and the rest.
Societies like that cant assimilate.
Yes we must have moar H-1B visas so we can hire four foreign engineers to every American engineer, or bring in moar foreign physicians to push down the pay of an American doctor who mortgaged their life to get an education. Wage crushing insourcing disguised as a supply of professional personnel shortage.
they get nothing done. i'm surrounded by them. engulfed. swamped. and when i go home to my nyc home, the area is awash, at least 30%. IT IS BEYOND BELIEF. i feel like fucking general custer. HOW CAN THIS GO ON???? it has to stop.
'technology' at any wall street bank is 80% indian h1b at this point. i was in a meeting last week - 9 people - ONE born here.
IS THAT REALLY NECESSARY? IS THAT REALLY THE SOLUTION?
god fuck all of them. they are giving it all away.
despite all my not so fun negative posts, it is this one. this is my personal invasion. it is completely out of control.
Now do I have to add Urdu to my foreign language classes on top of Mandarin and Spanish?
WTF!
When I was younger I frequently traveled Europe. It is not at all uncommon for the floor sweeper at McDonald's there to speak 3-4 languages fluently. I've never understood why most Americans place so little value and emphasis on learning other languages. Being multi-lingual is very rewarding on a personal and business level. With programs like Rosetta Stone it's incredibly easy and fun.
Don't fret. When the shooting starts they'll head home as fast as they came.
True. I live in the northern Atlanta suburbs where neighborhoods are 30-40% Indian. To a man they are anti-gun. One would figure they'd learn from their own nations history that to be armed is to be free, not the other way around. Yet they do not.
Im a born and raised new yorker. Moved 2 years ago to florida and getting used to americans has been a huge culture shock. I coukd tell you how to act around an old chinese person to show respect but i got cursed out by an old southern woman today for my bad mannees!
With few exceptions Floridians are a breed unto themselves, not like other Americans. Florida is composed of the newlyweds and the nearlydeads with little in between.
I am a foreign engineer, and I can assure you that we are well paid!
Sorry to break that idea of yours of a american uber-menschen, but companies hire people (foreigners or not) because there is a need, not just to pay them less.
And BTW, look at the average salary of hardware, software, mechanical engineers in the USA, they are at the 15% highest salary in the country!
Please go the fuck home. We buy all our shit from China anyway.
Nope I'm not going home yet, need to make lots of bucks.
The world is open and I go where the f#@# I want with my skills, every countries want engineers!
So the world is your oyster.
I hope you choke on it you little prick.
Nope I am not possessive like your gvt. I just take advantage of the open borders.
BTW, thanks for your patience but not for your insults, I had fun but now "au dodo"...
Bis spaeter.
the only thing you could engineer would be getting your finger stuck in a rat trap.
dude. cook my fucking socks. go away. fry some dogs, would ya? i'm told dog meat is better than cat.
seriously. let's meet. really. i'm tired of it.
spot on!
everyone read dr. engali's comment a couple of times.....this is the real reason why there is a push for more 'LEGAL' immigration.
the fact is - the h1b visas for the most part are NOT competent and get very little done. but the corporations at this point, the management DOES NOT CARE if anything gets done. they simply get paid more for managing more bodies for less - 'look at how many people i manage for so little $$'. that is the whole story. everybody has forgotten how to measure productivity.
or the less measurable things such as - quality of life. culture. community.
Explains all the interviews and no fucking job offers. Gotta make it look good to get the cheap H1B Visa Tech help. Mother Fuckers!
Example:
Thanks for following up with us and again for taking the time to speak with us.
At this time, we’ve decided to move forward with other candidates in the process. While it was a great interview, we did have other candidates who fit the specifications we were looking for more closely.
e.g. A CHEAP FUCKING IMPORT!
I have all the necessary skills, experience, and qualifications for the job, hence...the invite for the interviews. Never even had a chance to even talk salary. Thanks Obama CONgress and you fucking greeding Corps! May you all rot in hell!
Same exact boat as you bro.
If you saw my rez, you'd be like there's something seriously fucked up going on right here!
They need to stop the H1B and start educating the kids in hopeless schools right here. Give corps a tax credit for training programs that lead to jobs. Problem solved.
Seriously, I need to run this country.
If the HR people hire someone, then they have nothing left to do all day. lol
I kid you not, my friend went to an interview with a public health insurer. He asked what exactly the job description they wanted him to fill (they called him in for an interview) and they said it couldn't be disclosed. Two questions later, he asked my friend how he expected to bring "value" to the company.
We laughed at that on the four hour drive back. We had a ball making fun of HR.
HR have plenty to do. they spy on you and take any complaint to its extreme for political correctness.
I got a warning for using the word 'cancer' in the workplace. How inconsiderate of me. I nearly lost my job for taking the piss out of a girl because she was lying down at her desk. I said 'do you do some of your best work lying down?' I was threatened with legal action for sexual harassment. People who are made redundant (not for performance but for lack of demand) are escorted from the building without an opportunity to say goodbye or - in one case - collect personal belongings. Anyone seen having fun or raising the morale of the workplace was regarded as a HR threat and a legal liability.
My HR manager, no fucking joke, looked Exactly like that nazi bitch Umbridge from Harry Potter.
I will never work in an office environment again, even if it means i pick fucking fruit for a living. Fuck HR.
Your comment is simply not fitting at all.
You swear that you lost your job opportunity coz immigrants would ask less of a salary, but you did not even that the chance to talk salary.
You have been de-selected simply because you were not fitting (skill-wise most likely) their requirements. END OF DISCUSSION, you are the only to blame.
"When Americans talk about immigration, they picture those they want to keep out: undocumented people sneaking across the southern border."
I beg to differ. I don't care much for these H-1B immigrants either.
"Both U.S. tech and agriculture employers say there are not enough Americans able to fill all the available jobs."'
More b.s. Tell that to the STEM graduate waiting tables and working at Starbucks.
What pisses me off is the fact that most who support this type of immigration are supposed free market supporters. They support allowing market forces effect prices right up to the point that those market forces turn in the favor of employees, and then they're off to beg the government for some more cheap labor.
My number one rule of everything: People always talk THEIR OWN book (no matter how nice it' dressed up).
My neighbor's son graduated with a masters in computer something or other. He moved to Austin b/c it's considered a 2nd or 3rd silicone valley with 'high demand for young blood' he said.
Forget that!
He was amazed at how bad the job market is there. Not only do you have thousands of kids gradutaing from UT and some other local colleges there, but he said the internet and computer companies there go out of their way to hire foreigners esp from India since they'll work for much much less. The oversupply of cheap labor there in Austin has forced him to Atlanta which was originally never even on his list of job locations.
BTW, this is a PERFECT example of why Yutes should NOT BUY a house; zero job security these days. My neighbor said he would favor any politician who proposed a "one child policy" for new immigrants and esp non-citizen residents. I wonder if any politican would consider that?
It's a rough world out there even with a solid masters in something like computer/software/internet stuff.
I think Silicone Valley is still located between Pamela Anderson's tits.
I was on your side on this right up until you went full retard on population control. That's just fucking stupid. You're fine, you're good what you were saying about everything else, and I'm sure you're pretty cool, but that last part was plain dumb. Let's say no to prohibition laws on babies, okay?
why not child control? china has it, did it, and it did not work out so badly. people that breed the most are generally the least that can afford it.
either that mr. hessel - or you are going to learn cantonese and learn to love chickin tikka. (and be out of work and all your offspring for from this point on).
Computer "something" is not good, it's potentially IT related. Computer science is what is good, IT can be done by tech school flunkies with some certifications and experience, IT jobs frequently want many years of experience.
I watched the Houdini "mini series" on History Channel last night.
I think El'Capitan "stompy feet" thinks he's (A )Houdini. he's sadly mistaken
RIP USA!!! THERE ARE US TECH FIRMS TODAY THAT ONLY EMPLOY H1B WORKERS!
THANKS OBAMA YOU FUCKING TRAITOR!
There are many more companies that won't hire the unemployed. All they want to do is poach from someone else.
Then they bitch there's no one qualified.
I have a MS in engineering and much experience, with two jobs through IPO and I went unemployed (basically for two years).
In order to fill the void, I donated project management expertise to a non profit (taperoot.com). I also created a company of my own to fill the hole and to process the jobs that I did get. Fill that hole in your resume!
Eventually after the Consulting world finally figured out that you cannot outsource Business Consulting expertise to India, I was able to get jobs back and have stayed employed since then.
Not discouraging you from hating the Obummer but this H1B shitshow was started well before he came on scene....this one is pushed by both parties...
The United States is exceptional in : Exporting propaganda
The United States is exceptional in : Importing Russian rocket engines
U.S. military dependence on Russian rocket engines raises security concerns - Washington Times
For the record... I've got no qualms with LEGAL immigration!
Just another free trader begging the government to thwart market forces with cheap labor?
What do you consider "legal"? The written laws or the interpretation and enforcement that we actually are now enjoying. H1b is supposed to be to fulfill demand that cannot be filled domestically but there seems to be pretty lax interpretation of that standard and we know it is being abused. Legal is now simply another financial term, as legality is defined by how much you are willing to pay to be "legal" (ie, exempt from official law enforcement). Everything the founders hoped for is now dead and everything they feared for us we are now facing. The tree of liberty may well end up being watered by the blood of patriots, but there is nothing to say the tree will still not die.
Have you thought of moving the tree between the tv and the couch?
immigrants here come for the welfare.if they stay in there shithole they make 100 dollars a month .here if they have 5 children the government gives them 1500 dollars a week to stay at home+lots of other benefits.
The Dems want their votes and the Rep employers want their cheap labor.
The Middle Class [private sector] is getting the Biggest screw job in history looks like.
The old STEM BS.
ALL job growth since 2000 was taken by immigrants:
http://cis.org/all-employment-growth-since-2000-went-to-immigrants
Microsoft to Slash 18,000 Jobs Week After Bill Gates Pushed for Unlimited Guest-Worker Visas
Bill Gates' tech worker fantasy
Ron Hira, Paula Stephan et al. July 27, 2014
Immigration amnesty shortchanges American workers
By Froma Harrop The Columbus Dispatch Friday, February 1, 2013
Read her harrowing story and then realize this is the RULE not the exception. WHITE MEN AND WOMEN WTFU you are TARGETED for extinction and YOU fund your very demise by paying taxes to your EXECUTIONERS, the same ones who BUTCHERED the Czar and his family.
The LITERAL descendants of those BUTCHERS now are Big City Mayors who were White House Chiefs of Staff, they are Senators, Fed Big Shots, Wall Street helmsmen, movie producers, you get the idea? And they RUN our government.
http://washtech.org/news/industry/display.php?ID_Content=5363
Another tech-worker, Diane Drozdowski, was forced out of her job at American Express in Phoenix, AZ. After her manager used "bully tactics and psychological warfare" to try to get her to quit, resulting in a mental breakdown, she was replaced by two Indian workers based in India. American Express flew these Indian workers to Phoenix and forced her to train them, upon threat of losing her severance pay.
The tech employers who use H-1B's are full of shit in their claims they can't find qualified US citizen workers. Most of them don't even bother to contact the qualified Americans that apply to their jobs, before they hire foreigners. Google, Microsoft, and other employers receive several hundred, often thousands of applications *per job* from qualified domestic talent, but still use the H-1B visa. The H-1B needs to be abolished as its sole purpose is to suppress domestic STEM compensation. The situation is so bad that even top grads aren't even able to get interviews, and "entry level" in the tech sector now seems to require 5+ years of "experience" to do a measly job (conveniently the foreigners have the 'experience' although they often lie about it!).
to find the qualified american is one thing and to offer to him a motivation (salalry) is another one.
bastards take rather 5 from india, instead of one American.
The same shit is here in EU. Asians, Africans, Arabs, Turks. I would killit, the same way, Israel is killing Palestinians.
Americans FIRST! Have faith in our own. Stop hiring cheap labor from abroad just to save money. Fucking corperations these days!
So your solution is hire to only get expensive american engineers, bring back industry in the USA, only buy american.
The USA will go bankrupt in less than two years!
You want to stay the sole superpower, you want a stratospheric defense budget, you want huge trucks or SUVs.
Decide quickly what you want, there is no u-turn!
Got some news for you Bud. America is already bankrupt.
Well there are countries in deeper concerns than the USA.
I just wanted to highlight the contradictions from the following comments.
Expensive is relative when you consider...
Your here to earn what you can so you can return home and live the good life because cost of living there is much lower.
What you consider expensive is what Americans need to live a decent life here in the u.s.
We did pretty well with expensive engineers and products made in u.s.a. Exporting our production and importing cheap labor is a major reason this nation is broke. (along with the out of control national government and Federal Reserve) Without the tax base we can't even afford a decent space program and our social programs are going bust.
I don't blame you for taking advantage of a stupid nation. I might do the same if the situation presented itself. No,,, I blame the u.s corporations for abandoning the country that gave them their start, for abandoning the skilled work force in search of what should be classified as slave labor. But most of all I blame the bought off congress who not only allowed this to happen but actually used taxpayer dollars to fund a lot of it..... and are still doing it.
R
Why is it always somebody else's fault?
I'm poor because of rich people... I have no job because of foreigners... I have no money because the gvt takes it all... I'm fat because there is only fast-food.
If your country is in this current mess, it is because of the people, the voters, nobody else.
The country where I come from has a high cost of living but then overtax their citizens, so no big savings possible.
Also, if the USA were to drop the defence budget by 50%, you could most likely install human bases on each and every planet of the solar system within the next decade! It is all about priorities.
Also, if US engineers do not want the "cheap" foreign engineer jobs (close to $100k a year), then they can stay at McDonald's!
Have faith in our own? Are you kidding? Have you looked around lately at the new generation who are supposed to be America's future? Half of them can't keep their pants up and the other half couldn't find America on a world map if their own worthless lives depended on it.
What is up with the pants half down anyway? What is the street reason for doing that? It looks stupid.
I think you nailed right there. The goal seems to be just that, looking stupid. Gotta hand it to 'em, they've got it down.
OK you computer software geniuses. lets get an America first site up and running where you expose company hiring practices so we consumers can make decisions about who we buy from. Our government refuses any type of protectionist policies that might actually protect American jobs so we will have to do it ourselves. We need to be able to put up or shut up. It should be pretty obvious by this point that we can't have both cheap imports or cheap imported labor and American jobs. We are going to have to make a choice, a hard choice, which we have failed at miserably so far. We have refused to protect our own jobs and industries because we demand the best quality and price before anything else. We obviously do not have that luxury. We can see that Hispanic coming here send a lot of their earning back home and most will admit that they plan on returning home once they have saved enough. We see the H1b group largely doing the same. Are we just going to keep buying the products these assholes are selling us KNOWING our jobs are going out the door with every purchase? That's what we have done so far, and likely it won't change but we can't just keep blaming people who take advantage of our stupidity and greed. This problem is one we have played a significant role in and only we can change it.
So lets see what you can do. Lets see a public access site that shows us who is friend and who is foe, because at this point it is really hard to tell. Unless you think we are just fucking dumb and deserve what we get, which is pretty much what those who have us bent over the barrel believe right now.
We could start by voting every incumbant out the next couple election cycles. Course with DARPA that may not be possible...
R
We foreigners like comsuming, so you can work in a chain restaurant or electronic store. Or you can fix the potholes on the road...
But please, do not forget that for most of the things you buy, there is most likely a foreign engineer that worked on!
Thanks.
So that's why all the software I use now is such garbage....seriously, I can tell what companies hire a lot of Indian H1Bs by how bad it now runs.....Oracle, Microsoft, Adobe...and on and on.
can't decide if you are a real immigrant enjoying the benefits of the U.S. or just a troll...giving you benefit of the doubt for at least one more comment....
yes, you are right some foreign engineer probably did work on my new truck..I'm sure many of there even OFFSHORE...didn't even get a chance to come to U.S. like your lucky self.
Anyway, again, I'm sure they were quite pleased to work the 12 to 14 hour a day required of them to write code EXACTLY like they were told to...not providing any creative value, just 'ditch digging for programmers'
So yes, you and many others like you are make a much better living off of poorly conceived U.S. legislation driven by greedy corporations. It's the same story as much of the rest of the doom porn on ZH.
But....you and millions like you really aren't creating nearly as much as you are consuming on riding on the back of the last 50 to 75 years of U.S. dominance.
That's my main issue with all the legal immigration...at least in the IT field. Almost NO creativity...just a bunch of PhD robots doing exactly what they are told. It seems to fit well with all to sociopathic 'leaders' of US companies.
So each time somebody breaks down one of the false fictional narrative about cheap foreign skilled-labor, you bring another consipiration.
Now, foreign engineers work 14 hours a day like robot, have no creativity and are forced to write the code somebody else wrote.
If this is the case, I encourage anybody to apply for a SW engineer position!
I am a HW engineer, and I can assure you that I enjoy creativity and have my saying on the development of new product development. My fellow American colleagues work hard like I do and do not complain about foreigners. In fact, they are extremely curious and want to find out more about us and our country.
This is not a guest/host confrontation; this is about who wants to work hard and who does not want. END OF DISCUSSION.
How about America's EMIGRATION problem, the increasing number of smart Americans who can read the writing on the wall and want to leave before TSHTF?
And do what, move to India?
Try and get a taxi without a translator!
That is what Uber is for.
funny to listen to white people complain about .gov sponsored racism. it gets worse. wiat until they hold the public auctions for your daughters.
Don't be deceived: business, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, wants all immigrants, of all skill levels (or none) - because that keeps wages low, benefits nonexistent, and workers docile and obedient. Congressmen and presidents of both parties (and "independents" too), always willing to sell out for cash under the table, are only too willing to comply. And corruption via campaign contribution is only the cleanest part of the turd - everyone on Capitol Hill experiences an amazing increase in his or her net worth within a few short years of taking office.
And they wonder why workers steal office supplies, and bemoan the decline in public morality. Look in the mirror, you creeps, you pinstriped enemies of the people.
If we really had a shortage of workers, we could just bring in foreigners on regular green cards. So why the shrill insistence on more H1B slave visas?
Its all about using foreigners as slaves, so the financial elites can knock down the compensation and the political clout of the domestic STEM people.
Glad you made it back Bangalore. Some of the posts about India being a shithole are obviously from pretty Naive US people. Hope things look up for you back in India. My brother went to the States as a programmer he was glad to come back (to the UK), said it was way over-rated, no end of hassle and paperwork.
What's nuts is that intelligent people with skills and assets are given a massive hassle and run around, while ignorant uneducated people from central America are walking across the border. I think the US could become ungovernable in the future, too many different ideologies, cultures and ethnicities; people in the South West saying they want a separate state etc.
Well, America should be for Americans. No sympathy whatsoever that foreigners have to fill out some paperwork. If the position was really that valuable, the proper visa to obtain would have been O-1. The H-1B, L-1, OPT, and Green Cards can be safely and completely cancelled.
Here, we see that there have been three major inflation phases for the cost of college: the first running from 1990 to 1994, the second from 2000 to 2003 and the third from 2007 through at least 2012 (and likely, the present).
Note that each of these periods coincide with periods of recession or extended underperformance for the U.S. economy.
Now check this out, here is where it gets interesting. From the research conducted by PewResearch Social & Demographic Trends on The Rise of Asian Americans we learn that the inflation phases charted above coincides exactly with the inflow of Indian immigrants into the US for College Education.
Remember that this also coincides exactly the same time fancy concepts of Liberalization & Privatization were sold to India in the beginning of the 90s and later during the IT Boom cracking up the Indian market with Economic Reforms the same way East India Company did with it’s concept of Free Trade.
The same time US government increased subsidies for higher education after 1989, in the form of grants and guarantees for student loans, which enabled colleges to continue jacking up their prices well above what a typical Indian or even American household could afford to pay.
As a consequence of such Porno Economics gullible Indian families in order to finance their childrens American Dream ended up having their entire life savings directly into the pockets of Uncle Sam. What this means is that India has been sustaining the US economy not since just a few years asBrookings report showed but since even before the 90s. Same as India financed and createdModern Britain through the Industrial Revolution when the East India Company had gone bankrupt. Many of the great American and European fortunes were built on the Opium grown on Indian soil destroying agriculture and leading to 400 years of Indian Holocaust that was used to drug entire Chinese generations into subjugation. It were these Opium smuggler families that laid the foundations of Western Education System. And now when the American Empire is waiting for it’s death nail, novel bollywood style concepts are introduced into India in the form of Skill India, Jan Dhan Yojna etc through Foreign Direct Investment in India. What nobody seems to question is how when the West is resorting to colonial tactics invading Syria, Ukraine, Iraq to salvage what is left of it’s bankrupt economies, how on earth could the same bankrupt US EU countries would reform and Shine India through FDI ?
Indians Sustaining US Economy Since 90sEntire H-1B thing is a farce of staggering propertions. Makes you even wonder what relevance Americans have in their own goddamned country anymore.
Had a mainland Chinese grad student from the HISTORY Department of all fucking places... HISTORY. When exactly did we develop a shortage of qualified History majors? TAs in the Statistics Department from Taiwan and China that couldn't speak motherfucking word of English. I'm sure they maxed out their GMATs... just don't expect them to order a pepperoni pizza. Sat in those classes just shaking my head in exasperation as these fucking chimpanzees sat there babbling in Chinglish. Whole class sat with raised eyebrows wondering wtf he was going on about. Went to dean... no use... Dark and sinister forces at play protecting these motherfuckers. Yeah, they're epic test takers, but I've worked with these guys on all manner of projects and their outside-the-box capabilities are staggeringly bad. We know all they getting hired for one reason alone. Those fucking chimps will work for a fraction of what we would be willing to accept. I'll say it again... the entire H-1B visa program is a fucking farce. You pay peanuts... you get monkeys.
THe selfloathing the White Race has for itself knows no bounds.
Exactly. In the 15% highest SALARY. Whats that, like 80k on average lol?
I went through engineering, got an M.D. after 1 year, and now work in the mechanical engineering sector, and only make about 96k. Thats insanely low, for my rent for a modest 2 bedroom is 2.5k per month. My car is 400 per month (mazda nothing fancy). My insurance is 150/month. I barely make enough to save a measly 15k per year after taxes and other BS.
I know a policeman who makes 150k per year by doing security work off to the side (because in chitown they are allowed to do that apparently). What's the world come to when I have to pay 300k and work my ass off for 4 years, actually learning something, and then I STILL make less than a fucking PIG?
So yeah, H1B1 visas dilute the salaries of those that worked so hard, not that's it your fault. But understand this: you lose too. The less of you allowed to come to America, the higher the salaries will be, the more those that worked harder than the rest will make, which is how it should be. I dont understand how you can work your ass off in America and still barely scrape by, while some merely go to MEETINGS (yeah im looking at you corporate america) and they make millions a year. And of course they tell everybody they work harder. Fucking bs
Can I up arrow AND down arrow this comment...??
Yes, cops are grossly overpaid. No argument.
However, working in "corporate america" doesn't necessarily just mean "attending meetings". Sour grapes..?? You chose your own path, as did I. Now deal with it.