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The Battle For Strategic Mariupol Begins As NATO Vows To Do "Whatever It Takes"
Update: behold the shelling...
Shelling is reported to have started on the eastern outskirts of Mariupol, Ukraine, according to local reporters on social media. This crucial city, due to its standing as the last major city standing in the way of a land connection to Crimea (from Russia) across the Southern border. Furthermore, Mariupol's strategic importance as a port and major industrial city is crucial to Kiev who are reinforcing the city after losing Novoazovsk last week, with the Ukrainian army on full alert. NATO has been actively sabre-rattling this morning, pulling a full Draghi by threatening to do "whatever it takes" to defend ourselves and our allies, and offering training and support for Ukraine (as they report over 3,000 Russian troops in Ukraine). Escalation?
Shelling on the outskirts of Mariupol #Ukraine
— Simon Ostrovsky (@SimonOstrovsky) September 4, 2014
- UKRAINIAN ARMY ON TOP ALERT NEAR PORT CITY OF MARIUPOL, READY TO REPULSE POSSIBLE ATTACK BY REBELS - MILITARY SOURCE - RTRS
Furthermore,
"Artillery and tank fire audible on eastern edge of Mariupol. Ukrainians say 4 armored columns advancing towards Shirokina. Hint of panic:" France 24 journalist Robert Parsons says in Twitter post
"Apparently, the rebel tanks have left Novoazovsk several hours ago and are moving towards Mariupol now. Their current position is unclear:” freelance journalist Petr Shelomovskiy says in Twitter post
- *NATO SAYS >3,000 RUSSIA TROOPS W/ TANKS IN UKRAINE: SKY
NATO has some comments too...
“We have left no doubt that we will do whatever it takes to defend ourselves,” NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen says.
Rasmussen: “Russia’s aggression against Ukraine has been a wake-up call. It has reminded all of us that our freedom, security and prosperity cannot be taken for granted. Some are trying to redraw dividing lines in Europe with force”
Terrorism, Middle East turmoil, Russia’s aggression, the threats of cyber-warfare confront NATO with a “climate of chaos” on its borders, he says
Rasmussen: “We will adopt a readiness-action plan that will make our forces faster, fitter and more flexible, ready to address any challenges, whenever they come and from wherever they come”
Rasmussen: Readiness plan to center on “a military unit that can be deployed at very short notice if needed. It would be followed by more forces if needed”
NATO will step up cooperation with Ukraine, help build up and advise Ukraine’s military, he says
Rasmussen: “We will adopt a substantial package for Georgia, a package that will bring Georgia closer to NATO, including a defense-capacity initiative, establishing a training center in Georgia, occasionally also exercises in Georgia”
Rasmussen: “I see NATO as an alliance with a global perspective, not as a global policeman. We can’t solve all crises all over the world”
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If this is not escalation, then we are baffled as to what is...
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Now it seems Ukraine wants 'talks' again...
- *UKRAINE TO CALL TRUCE TOMORROW IF TALKS TAKE PLACE: POROSHENKO
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"arrest of Labour MP Lord Janner over child abuse accusations, 20 years ago, was ‘blocked"
How does that happen? Unless one is extremely well-connected, and a phone call is made, by the right people, don't you know. What what. Tip of the hat. *wink* Know what I mean?
"Evil bastards. "
Yeah, but, by god they're "our" evil bastards!
even though there is lot of poor slavs brainwashed to believe uncle sam and aunt nuland, and will do a lot for 50 bucks a day, if they were being really killed in tens of thousands they would have gone back to to poland and kiev by now.
only someone playing video games can put a number of casualties in a civil war down to the last digit 22702. or by now it is 22745?
It looks Ukr. lost most or at least a couple dozen Bulat destroyed and abandoned last days.
Some pics at Colonel Cassad and Voice of Sevestopol
Some handy links for those readers who are new here:
The Vineyard of the Saker - http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/
Colonel Cassad (in English) - http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/
Voice of Sevastopol - http://en.voicesevas.ru/
Novorossiya News Agency - http://novorossia.today/Sure those Russian-reported numbers are accurate. Numbers from either side in a conflict are communicate BS. US 'body count' numbers in Vietnam were highly creative and it got to the point where they were ludricious and assuming so many kills/wounded per number of rounds fired. North Vietnam was little different and often reported US casualties at 2x-4x their actual number.
now that's a NATO style army for you.
just extrapolate that to Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Georgia etc etc.
NATO is a force to reckoned with, no doubt.
The MIC must be wetting their legs anticipating orders out of UE paid for by the EU.
Don't worry mariupol, oBUMMER weasel will stop them with a hissy fit.
I doubt it. I don't think Mariupol has a golf course.
Hopium for the asses.
"4 armored columns advancing. Hint of panic."
Yep. I imagine so.
All paper tiger talk.
Shelling is more than paper talk in my book... (if it's true indeed).
Look, gold's spiked up to 1276, prior to its pending give-back as at crashes below 1240 'on USD strength'. Gold traders are so cute, it's like watching a puppy chase its tail.
Nothing is going to happen with Ukraine, meaning this is not going to be the start of WWIII like so many like to say. Russia needs a NATO buffer zone and East Ukraine is it and the power players know and understand this.
kaa: Agreed. Smart comment.
That implies that the power players are sane.
Thats a leap of faith too far, IMO.
" Nothing is going to happen with Ukraine, meaning this is not going to be the start of WWIII like so many like to say. Russia needs a NATO buffer zone and East Ukraine is it and the power players know and understand this. "
I don't know about WW3, but you forget the projects of Rasmussen in Georgia (and then entire Caucasus/ Caspian Sea region ? ).
North of Georgia you find Russia.
South of Georgia you find Iran.
and georgia in the middle, squashed like a grape, (eventually)
Do I hear Putin humming "Georgia on my mind"
Each side seems to be inching toward war, 3k nato troops, of course Russia has "advisors" on the ground as well. Clear Russia does not want war or they would have invaded awhile ago. I think tptb need a good war to stimulate consumption and give cover to impending financial system doom. Plus, get rid of some useless eaters. War is the health of the state after all.
Of course not and the US won't go to war over Ukraine. Period. Polls overwhelmingly are against it across all groups and the establishment has been clear that they aren't willing to commit any kind of meaningful American ground troops. Only token support mainly around logistics, support, and training/strategy
And polls overwhelmingly rejected bankster bailouts (in the US) and, well, here we are...
Yeah, but the polls were after the fact. It was a done deal.
We'll never know for sure when any deal was done. I suspect in this case here everyone (except the general public) knows what the terms are; the polls, then, provide feedback on how to get around the objections (how to push it forward while making it sound like it's not happening- it's for "democracy" or some other Madison Ave marketing trickery).
These NATO fuckers are desperate for a confrontation. Funny how NATO is so ramped up over a non-NATO country.
Funnier how when they come across a country they cannot bomb and roll over because they are small - they are a paper army. No UN to bail them out because China and Russia will tell them to F off.
They have tried with Syria but the Syrians have fought back and Russia parked 8 ships off Syria last year.
i believe libya wipe out was a nato operation.
to protect woman and kids.
they used thousands od tons of depleted uranium munitions giving cancer for millions of years.
yes these folks are really sane.
They are evil. It was about Libya's gold and oil. Libya was pretty normal, successful and the people were treated well. The stanard of living was high.
"for millions of years"?
U238 has a half life of 4.468 billion years, basically forever (although a million years is pretty close to forever too, and Plutonium is basically forever too at 24,100 year half life). "The aerosol or spallation fangible powder produced during impact and combustion of depleted uranium munitions can potentially contaminate wide areas around the impact sites, leading to possible inhalation by human beings."
Short sighted monsters. You think force feeding them some of their own medicine would teach them anything?
That is the reason the Russians use tungsten.
And gold jumps. In case you were wondering about the recent crashes.
Look at the volume it is taking to keep the lid on it.
“We have left no doubt that we will do whatever it takes to defend ourselves,” NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen says.
Is the Ukraine now a NATO country? I think not. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO)
Need Another Territory Obviously
I just don't understand what the hell does this have to do with the USSA we should be more worried about what we built with ISIS and what they will do on 9/11 this is just pure craziness
Fucking insanity......everywhere I look.
I bet they'll put out another YouTube
ISIS is theater, wag the dog, US/Israeli mercenaries used to convince the sheeple in the NATO countries to fund (in blood and treasure) more warring, more theft benefiting the ruling class.
It's not a two way street, it's one way, the US Imperialist way (and Greater Israel), the other way is propaganda to make you think there's a reason for the former.
what's with these double posts?
Need to park the battleships somewhere.
Should be great news for the markets. And that map from the Ukies is a joke, Also of note the 'elite' mechanised division came under fire around Lugansk with the Ukies abandoning at least a company of their 'best' T-64 tanks. There should be 80+ in the division the pictures shown on here https://twitter.com/lindseyhilsum/status/507403066346594304 shows at least a dozen to 20, rest is unclear etc. Also suggestion by the Ukie volunteer battalions to unite with the seps and march on Kiev together rather than the winner because nothing has changed etc.
Translation of press conference by user StopTheFighting at militaryphotos.net
Commanders of Azov, Aidar, and Dnepr saying they will be protesting tomorrow (September 4) at the president's office. They have numerous grievances to voice to the president regarding the ATO. As a reminder, Semen Semenchenko of Donbas Battalion together with other volunteer battalion commanders have recently voiced their concerns to the president as well (see previous video I posted).
Some translation of what these guys said:
- They believe there is a movement to eradicate the volunteer battalions.
- They are upset leadership and oligarchs that they believe started this war have not changed and are still in power.
- They said they are fighting with many guys they used to serve with and would like an answer why they are made to be killing each other.
- They are largely of the opinion this war has been manufactured by those in power in Ukraine.
- They say it's wrong that if they go to European Union, Russia is their enemy. If they go to Russia, European Union is their enemy. He says that maybe both are our friends instead? Why treat either one as enemies?
- He says if European Union is not helping them, why are they wanting to go there?
- Interestingly, a captain from Donbas Battalion interjected and says he somewhat disagrees with the guys in that their battalion's position is that they want Ukraine to be part of EU and NATO.
- They say that both sides (separatists and them), instead of killing each other on an open field and having the winner march on Kiev, should perhaps march on Kiev together.
Last map is most accurate.
Commanders of Azov, Aidar, and Dnepr
morning fools. finally catching on that you've sc**wed by your zionist oligarghs. my, my.
The Ukies need to go to Kiev with boiled rope or guillotines for Porky, Yatz, Yulia and all the dual citizen oligarchs and mercenaries.
Don't go with just pitchforks either. Be armed to the teeth and get rid of that evil scum. Do what they did to Ceauchesku and his wife in Romania. Put Yats on trail and hang him or shoot him. Waterboard him first to find out where the Ukrainian gold went to and who gave the order to shoot down the airliner.
The Ukie people need to go to Kiev and get answers and get those traitors.
So now Nato wants to go after Georgia too? I fear nukes will be involved if this escalates.
NATO declared back in 2008 that Ukriane and Georgia will be in. No surprises really, Putin was just waiting for 0.01%'ers to make their move.
"We have no doubt that we will do whatever it takes to defend ourselves" ?
WTF does that mean? I had no idea that Putin was attacking NATO forces, last I knew the Ukraine was a non- NATO country. Call me crazy, but that sounds like a statement of somebody wanting moar funding.
NATO is funded about 80/20 between the US and Europe, with the US picking up the lion's share. With Obama reigning in US military spending, the war machine isn't happy. It needs food. So they'll call it "NATO" this time and get it that way if they can't get it straight through US military branches.
Canada is in there too, not just US and Europe.
oudinot:
ah man - your gonna give us a bad name now...
so much for Canadian independence of thought!
USA says: 'jump' and our gov't asks: 'how high?'
See, NATO is going to have a war with or without Russia, even if they have to make it up like a Hollywood movie...
I wonder...is putin in this just for show? I cant imagine that hed put up with all the lies and fake war stuff if he wasnt part of the lie.
Im startin to think the whole thing is a show for us..a pretend war.
Otherwise you'd think he'd be balls in by now with all the crap the west has been pullin.
StupidEarthlings
So that thought just occurred to you...now?!
Sheesh dude.
It's all staged, it's all bullshit. The news is fake. The politics is fake. It's all scripted and they're right on schedule.
The jury is still out.
He has either been complicit, or trading space for time, the classic Russian
strategy.Ukraine was a space too far, and is a litmus test.
Remember Russia was very weak until recently, Putin would have to pretend to play along
with the NWO,while they built up their defences.
I've gone back and listened to every Putin speech I could,I think he is the real deal,but
even I'm not 100% sure.
Doesn't make sense that it'd be scripted. If there was a world power that already had Russia on side the world would be nothing like it is. It would be over, they would be surrounding China, they would nuke it if need be, and all cities would be permanent Boston Strong. The cordons would have already been set down on the ground.
Right. The problem is that we watch from the peanut gallery and look for simplistic explanations. Unfortunately, the reality is complex. Players have been feigning alliances, planning betrayals, switching sides, etc., etc. It's a mess and very few likely know what is really going on.
Do a little game theory thinking: When players are gathering strength and capabilities, it is advantageous to pretend to be working together for a common goal, e.g. global order. However, as the denouement approaches, ALL major players except one will have to relinquish power and accept being UNDER the ONE leader. Groups seeking power do not do this unless they are absolutely up against the wall. What you are seeing now is the power struggle that was inevitable as control of the world is approached.
Sorry, it just is not simple. It's a mess.
Wrong. It's simple. Or at least the overarching framework here.
It's about global domination, and that is driven by central banking. Everything revolves around that. If you think Putin or anyone else isn't on the Rothschild payroll then I don't know what to tell you.
I don't know for sure, and suspect that you don't either, unless you are a very high level insider. You are deducing an answer and I am as well. We have simply arrived at different conclusions. Time may tell.
Yeah, throw in the magic Jew. Putin is pissed at the end of the USSR and the loss of prestige. He is KGB and he knows the game he is playing and it has nothing to do with fighting bankers. It is about territory and influence and pride. When you make it more then you begin to make him sort of crusader for justice and he ain't. Not on his best day.
The conspiracies have to hit a dead end somewhere, I don't think Putin is complicit or else there wouldn't be a need for all the theater. He could have just let the US bomb Syria last year rather than coming to Assad's defense. I think he still has confidence in the separatists to defend their ground, with the aid of a healthy supply of Russian "volunteer" soldiers.
The goal has always been to subjugate Russia and then China. Both countries know that they will always take a backseat to the West unless the deck is shuffled.
Yes. See my comments above.
You know, it's not always "theater". Sometimes it is the real stuff and it is real drama. Ukraine is a sort of Syrian multi-rebel mess as best as I can tell. The Ukraine is also not one simple ethnicity, culture, or even political ideology.
From George Will in National Review:
Since its emancipation by the Soviet Union’s demise, Ukraine has been ravaged by corruption that frays national sentiment, which even before this was a tenuous phenomenon. In The Long Shadow: The Legacies of the Great War in the Twentieth Century, David Reynolds of Cambridge University cites a British diplomat’s 1918 analysis:
Ukraine may be an ethnic casserole susceptible to diminishment by Putin’s ladle. But the Baltic States, by virtue of their NATO membership, are, regardless of their histories or sociologies, decisively different.
He goes on to argue that Putin is far more dangerous than ISIL which depends on how you are defining danger. However, the historical perspective seems relevant.
To me, the bottom line is that Ukraine may in fact have some internal struggles and even a civil war at hand. It seems so. Every single major nation has had the same at some time. Russia is picking a side and may in fact intervene and either seize territory or set up a loyal puppet state.
Ukraine is not NATO but I believe we and the Russians both promised their securty if they would give up their nukes after the breakup of the USSR. Looks like the deal has gone seriously wrong. Both the USA and NATO need to decide what level of intervention they will take with a non-NATO nation and there are some better and worse options. The problem would also be picking sides if you intervene.
It's a mess and none of knows the path that events will take.
I tried to tell you. This is NOT going to end well for Russia.
Again, Down vote me all you want. It still will not change the truth.
If you can tell the future so well, who's gonna win the World Series this year? I need to place my bet....oh, and the Stanley Cup too?
http://olduvai.ca
Baltimore Orioles
Detroit Red Wings
Next?
so, what is going to happen? can you be a bit more specific?
Okay, I'll try real quick.
Ukraine keeps every inch of ground.
They (Russia) leaves Crimea.
All the people (Russians/Ukraine's) that are in Ukraine that want to be in Russia go back home.
It's very simple.
Putin don't do squat about anything.
ok down vote it is
FH
No need to "down arrow" you partner...
What is in the back of "Roeffel's" mind (we can only hope) is how the fuck NATO ever got this deep in the shit pile and that if they make the "wrong conventional move" how it may very well rapidly morph into somethig like this and this which will require the people of Denmark, Poland and Germany (among other places) in that neighborhood to increase their sunblock by a few thousand -preferably with lead in it that will require application with a trowel!
This ain't Gaza, Damascus and Baghdad we're talkin about anymore.
By the way I "up arrowed" you, cause I like your name! You need to send me some of your stuff so that we can "fly high" together. May be the only thing left to do based on what we're witnessing our government's doing in our worst interests!
Who will it end well for...and why?
I already assumed it doesn't end well for aanyone but bankers, defense companies, psychopathic politicians on both sides and maybe undertakers. Without some nuance your not making much of a claim.
I already assumed it doesn't end well for aanyone but bankers, defense companies, psychopathic politicians on both sides and maybe undertakers.
Won't end well for bankers, defense companies, psychopathic politicians either 'lg'.
Ask yourself what it would be like "living underground" with a group of people that are paying you to take care of them after you've lost everything and still have the composure to look after the pieces of shit that made that level of destruction possible?
I think it's safe to say you would have to be 51 cards shy of deck to be a business partner in that kind of an arrangement. And if you're lucky enough to be in "management"?... You might want to grow a pair of eyes in the back of your skull for the inevitable ROI you will be receiving from your caretakers!
So I see this about 180 from you. Russian economy is built on energy and not debt bubbles. NATO is fighting to keep the petrodollar intact. If it fails the economic system gets reset and that presents risk as nobody really has an idea of what that will look like other than generally unpleasant. There are plenty of Western .govs that will not survive it and that is without an actual war. The West has more to lose by a lot.
Oh. Not many people get downvotes for actual contrarian views. Just the poo flinging trolls get the pile on.
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Funny but true: I am getting Russian ads served here on ZH (Forex trading - what an irony) and Russian brides.
Maybe I have been reading too much on Russian media and now Google thinks "I am one of them". Maybe, Google is into something and I should go and hide under my bed before the Drone comes flying by.
This is all madness, sickening and I am becoming tired of the media & politicians alltogether.
I should also stop paying taxes. Stop feeding the beast.
"NATO has been actively sabre-rattling this morning, pulling a full Draghi by threatening to do "whatever it takes" to defend ourselves and our allies, and offering training and support for Ukraine (as they report over 3,000 Russian troops in Ukraine). Escalation?"...
It's going to require many, many, many more replacement(s) for the "guns for hire" that Blackwater and Dyncorp lost in the last 5 months alone.
Barry, you're gonna need a lot more than 4,000 NATO troops to be successful with this operation.
A text message from Vlad cause he hasn't been answering your phone calls as of late... Don't do anything I wouldn't do!
click the link in nemo's post. LMAO
“I (obummer) have left my last voice mail for him,” he said, adding that the last time he called Putin his mailbox was full.
NATO will do everything to save evil dual citizen oligarch scum in Kiev like Yats and Porky plus the others. They are worried that those bad ass DNR and other rebels are coming to Kiev to hang that scum that caused this.
Hopefully the Ukies are all coming to Kiev to get those traitors, the Mercs, nudelman, Hunter Biden and all the criminals.
" he hasn't been answering your phone calls as of late..."
Hilarious...!
NATO will fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.
NATO will fight Russia to the last Ukrainian
And will destroy "itself" (inside and out) completely if it persists!
The fucking NATO leaders are making up the bullshit lies and script as they go along. So 3,000 Russian speaking DPR Ukrainian Rebels with captured tanks are "Russian Troups". Amazing how they come to that conclusion. I hope that these DPR Rebels kick neo-nazi ass at Mariupol!!!
Another two-week-old pro-Putin account. Lovely. Could all of you please take your propaganda war to bloody Twitter or something?
This used to be a nice neighbourhood...
The clash of empires....so entertaining (except for those 99%ers caught in the crossfire).
http://olduvai.ca
Oldupai......I was just there. Whey do westerners change the name?
Massi named the area for a plant they found there to beat into rope. The museum has the spelling on the door correct.
One thing bothers me: When NATO says how many Russian troops are present at the Ukrainian border, do they include in that number the troops present in Crimea?
NATO: 21000 Russian troops at Ukrainian border ( 20000 from Crimea ! !! )
No mention of helping stop Ebola, the one thing that will wipe out NATO countries if not stopped? Time to look for a small island somewhere
Putin should throw a bunch of nukes into Cuba to counter the American aggression in the Caribbean.
Another one-week-old pro-Putin account. Did ZH get mentioned on RT recently? Please take the propaganda war outside, the lot of you.
"We can’t solve all crises all over the world” ...but we can sure start them!
a collection of a**holes and all in one spot that's what NATO can achieve.
Say, you don't suppose that any of the news sources are...lying, do you?
Shurely not RT.
Maybe NATO could embarrass the Russians.
“We have left no doubt that we will do whatever it takes to defend ourselves,” NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen says.
Remind me again. Is Ukraine part of NATO?
Not yet:
http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2014/09/closing-fronts-to-deal-with-i...
Nato is fucked, without air superiority they are nothing, and with S-300 and S-400 now in Novarossia, they can forget it.
Vlad, I will have a little more flexibility when re-elected so go ahead and take back Ukraine but let's make it look good. We are cool with the 9/11 information Right?
They are not a NATO country
/?what does it matter?\
That map is completely outdated and Kiev regime propaganda. The NAF has far more territory under its control than is depicted in that map.
Last map is as reliable as can be expected.....It is not from Ukr source, which are always terrible.
What I don't get is NATO [EU] are barking at Russia, placing finacial sanctions but
buying Russian gas/oil because they need it?
So, why doesn't Russia just say 'game-over-guys - NATO get out of Ukraine NOW
or noon tomorrow we shut-off all gas/oil pipelines to EU'
I'm not interested whether EU freeze in the dark this winter; the motive for shutting
down the piplelines would instantly cause prices in EU to go from say $100.00/bbl to
$100.00/liter....
The EU public would not only scream murder - they'd murder their politicians for placing
them in such a fix!
Following day Russia could just open pipelines and announce "let's talk business..."
Because both NATO and Putin know Russia will prevail in the Uke. Hell, it's 95% over already.
Russia is dependent on exporting natural resources. It has to be seen as a trustworthy partner and this means honoring existing contracts. Not to mention that this is a crucial time for Russia; it's currently diversifying its export market in this sector and it's essential that it's not seen as an untrustworthy partner that will ignore existing contracts to pressure customers politically. It's business first, politics second.
DeliciousSteak:
Ok - got it.... just like selling a thief a gun so he can rob & shoot me
still,
I'd shut down the pipeline - then NATO would have to walk home.
[I always knew I'd make a lousy politician - never could lie well]
Russian oil is where the big money is, with unknown reserves still to be discovered upon its vast energy rich territories.
*natgas/ blue gold is nice but expensive to transit (infrastructure, pumping station, etc.,) and the cost differential between oil (black gold) and natgas (blue gold) is ~8:1.
Black Gold is what Russia has, as does Iraq and Kuwait. Sadly, the Saudi's are running dry... but in the east of Arabia, where the shiite's hold great reserves... are doing just fine.
funny, ever since the dawn of the 20th century the superpowers' demarcation, has fulfilled their middle-eastern playbook wildest dreams of... 'an easy to divide and conquer', secretarian heaven on a stone from outer space? what diabolical geniuses a?r these western satanist? yes, means [k]no?
This is a main reason why they hate Putin so much. They want to loot it all from Russia. Hunter Biden, Chelsea and all their elite kids deserve directorships to loot Russia. This oil, gas and minerals in Russia belongs to the elites! It is their right to steal it. Psycho criminals.
I hope they clone Putin. He is the only one who will stand up to this evil scum.
" It has to be seen as a trustworthy partner and this means honoring existing contracts. "
Not like France you mean is that right?? LOL.
Who the fuck is going to buy French weapons? African, I suppose at the point of a Gun (French one I suppose).
They also betrayed the Argentinians when Mitterand handed over the codes of the Excoset Missiles to Margaret Thatcher, and then the British trashed the Argentinians in the Falklands.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PILstC9SfoY
Ukranians ready to defend their city - will they survive brutal Putin regime invasion?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RbIVD8lWw2E
now you see how ukranians fight agains these "liberators" from Russia.
you definately are amusing
Let them eat chocolate!
Probably only in a beerhall.
Mariupol is not at all pro current Ukr govt...most want them kicked....
what those few accomplish in that video isn't speed bump in this conflict
460.000 people live there. the 1st showed how many singing the anthem?
It's amazing how long you Balts have lived next door to Empire, east and west of you, without having figured out a goddamned thing about how Empire works. You could have easily enough taken the Swiss approach, offering enough advantage to either Empire to leave you alone and let you be the middleman. But instead, you leaped to jump in bed with the US Empire, as represented by NATO, the EU, IMF, World Bank, etc. No wonder your economies are in the dumper, while your oligarchs get rich. And you've got a large neighbor, who should be familiar enough to you, all pissed off. Brilliant positioning, there. Have you no maps?
Your role in the US Empire is to shut up and wait for us to want something from you, like a vote in an international body or a few token soldiers in a "coalition of the subjected willing." Otherwise we like your plywood and your dry shipping index is good for a short now and again. What else do you do? We can get herring and fruit jam from Canada if we really wanted more of that.
Seriously, do you guys expect us in the US to think of you as anything more than Putin's Parking Lot? Your function is to serve as a speed bump between Moscow and, oh, let's just say Berlin. We'll trade you to Putin for a pipeline or an agreement to keep taking US Dollars, the second it become useful to us to make a deal like that.
You weren't buying into our bullshit, were you? After our banking system reduced you to poverty? Not that it helped us individuals in the US any to do that. The looting of your economy propped up the German banks for a few weeks; a little aperitif on the way to Athens.
You guys sure are loud, though. That's not going to help you in your assigned role. Empires get tired of yappy little dogs. Know who you are and don't get into fights you can't finish. We're not going to help you unless it meets our needs, in which case what we give you isn't going to be "help," is it.
Or, just read your own history.
I like your post although it applies in a bitter way to my own country - Bulgaria. You put it in a very straight way and this is far better than a ton of blabber.
I'm sorry for you country's situation, Joe. I'm fortunate enough to live in a provincial area of the Seat of Imperium. Nobody is interested in my home area, which is the best way to live in the shadow of Empire. The Emperor is far enough away and occupied with other things, yet near enough should we have any trouble. That doesn't change my opinion of Empire, however. The nature of that beast has never changed.
swmnguy's post is also well suited to the threesome Baltic liliputs aside from the obvious Ukraine.
Too bad they all have their rats at the helm.
"Have you no maps?" Classic line, they have no brains for realpolitik as well as no maps, +1
WOW! very well stated. I might steal that and use later. Ok?
Steal at will.
It was very entertianing! So many good writers have done some great shit! But in the 2015 world!....only the corpaoration rules your life!
There's a fundamental geographic reason the Baltic states are the way they are politically. They're flat.
It's MUCH easier to drive tanks and armies across the Baltic states than it is Switzerland. In Switzerland's case, the preferred route was around Switzerland, which was not that easy either. Hannibal and his elephants knew the problem.
That's a very good point. Even more reason they shouldn't be antagonizing their neighbor, Russia, in some sense of service to a very distant Empire. You'd think the Balts would be more into money-laundering, or some sort of smuggling that benefits various oligarchs, or whatever purpose it is that people living in indefensible terrain find to make them more valuable to leave alone than to crush.
Exactly, flat is the key, we all remember the Fulda gap.. If I were grand poobah of a baltic state I would have built massive hills, not a maginot line but hills big enough to funnel armor. Take ten years round the clock dump trucks, would be worth it to push russian armor to another gap, just in case.. Call it "Terraforming for security of peoples"..
Well said. The Russia hating Ukrainians are self destructive fools.
...our Freedom, Security and Prosperitty...
Three Blind NATO Monkeys....
I see no truth
I hear no truth
I SPEAK no truth
ROFLMAO
R
I say we add a 4th monkey covering his asshole.
PAGING DR. BANZAI!
PAGING DR. BANZAI!
Yawn... A lot of hysterical smack talk from the cheese-nibbling wine-sniffing lead girlyman of an organization whose LGBT-infested military just got it's azzz kicked by Afghan Muzzies using 30-year old rebuilt AK47's and IED's made out of used cell phone parts. I bet Vlad is shaking in his Cossack boots.
"What do our Agents report, Medvedev?"
"The current GAYTO FTX involved mass gay sex, Vlad. You do not want to see the videos."
"When the time is Right, we will roll up these decadent fools."
"The US personnel abandoned their weapons in Kiev and sold themselves. We will be OK."
"So, the Bath House subverted the military with Gay Blades."
"Apparently. Gang rape of heterosexual US soldiers is up 300%. I doubt they will too motivated to fight since their best men are fending off buggery."
A least they are not using the camel holster style flintlocks still.
That's too bad because those flintlocks would look so snappy as part of a well-coiffed LGBT soldier's ensemble.
Didn't look so snappy from the biz end when fired. Luckily he was running before
taking the shot.
I'm having a new door installed which is very heavily insulated so I should be OK when we get nuked.
We moved out of the USSA.
However, the current "US Military" is primarily staffed by homosexuals, lesbians, transgenders and transvestites, so I would not be really worried.
Because the Gay Flag is more important than the old "American" fag, err, Flag.
and
Because Bath House Barry!
Yeah because there is no way that someone who isn't heterosexual couldn't fight effectively. Don't you have a (Jew, Arab, Chinese, Black, Mexican, Women) slur to make somewhere?
You stupid fuck.
It's not about gay soldiers. They have existed since the first cave man army.
It is about Subverting the morale of the US Military with Homosexual Activists and a Political Fag Agenda.
Get a clue, Rump Ranger.
It's obvious you and Leisure Suit Barry both have the IQ of a piece of toast.
Fuck off and troll elsewhere.
Insulting and baseless comments from someone without a single fact to back up your blanket assertions. If you are half as much of an a-hole in real life as your persona here, you must be a real treat to be around especially when you have a few drinks.
"Don't you have a (Jew, Arab, Chinese, Black, Mexican, Women) slur to make somewhere?"
Your comments could use some work too.
Rape is a common event (epidemic) in the military. And is punished within the military, typically with the aggressor lying and the victim being accused of attempt to smearing their reputation or some other small man excuse.
LOL......+1
Well now we can see why we are are nation building, aka redecorating.
hmmm what the hell is NATO doing in a former Soviet republic? Didnt they cut a deal not to expand east into the former warsaw pact countries a while back? defend ourselves?? lmao
Yes, the West did.
Apparently, Leisure Suit Barry has Renigged.
It's a dark day in America.
Be careful there. The NSA may report you to Rev Al and AG Eric Holder for using a racist hate-speech word.
Seeing this from Europe, it seems the major BS comes from State department and Congress, while Obama's White House tries to play things down (cf the "no proof of Russian troops in Ukraine" after Kiev, Nato, Congress and their mother has showed their pics...). But exactly how much is Obama powerful against the MIC ?
It was president Clinton that jettisoned the assurances to Russia that NATO would not expand eastward.
You're such a fucking Party Pussy.
Every post is foaming with hate-like shit.
Have you quit beating your wife? (that anyone would even stand to reside with you)
You moved out of the US did you? Couldn't stay and fight like a man?