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Russian General Demands Preemptive Nuclear Strike Doctrine Against NATO

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While NATO is contemplating its existential purpose in a world where the Cold War has suddenly come back with a vengeance, and the military alliance has found itself woefully unprepared to deal with a Russia which no longer accepts the supremacy of the west (appropriately enough NATO is doing this on a golf course) Russia is also strategizing, only instead of issuing "sharply-worded catchphrases" and hashtags, a Russian general has called for Russia to revamp its military doctrine, last updated in 2010, to clearly identify the U.S. and its NATO allies as Moscow's enemy number one. That in itself is not disturbing: we reported as much yesterday and is merely more rhetorical posturing. Where things, however, get very problematic is that the general demands that Russia spell out the conditions under which the country would launch a preemptive nuclear strike against the 28-member military alliance.

Moscow Times reports that Russia's military doctrine, a strategy document through which the government interprets military threats and crafts possible responses, is being revised in light of threats connected to the Arab Spring, the Syrian civil war and the conflict in Ukraine, the deputy chief of the Kremlin's security council told RIA Novosti on Tuesday.

That however is the soundbite for politically correct media purposes. Because within the Defense Ministry there are voices calling for different priorities.

"First and foremost, the likely enemy of Russia should be clearly identified in this strategic document, something absent from the 2010 military doctrine. In my view, our primary enemy is the U.S. and the North Atlantic bloc," General Yury Yakubov, a senior Defense Ministry official, was quoted as saying by Interfax.

If this sounds like a statement taken right out of the (first) Cold War, one involving the whole nuclear arms race, is because it is. The 2010 doctrine defines NATO expansion as a threat to Russian national security and reaffirms its right to use nuclear weapons in a defensive posture, but stops far short of declaring NATO as Moscow's primary adversary and laying preemptive nuclear strike scenarios on the table, a posture unmistakably reminiscent of the Cold War.

At the basis of this dramatic escalation is none other than Russia's stated response to what it perceives as a clear expansionary NATO threat.

Yakubov said the information war being waged over the crisis in Ukraine — where the West accuses Russia of arming separatists fighting the government in Kiev — and NATO's announcement that it would establish a permanent military presence in Eastern Europe have validated earlier fears that the alliance's claims of non-aggression toward Russia were insincere.

And the punchline: the general added that special attention should be paid to integrating the functions of the newly created Air and Space Defense Forces with Russia's land, sea and air based nuclear forces. "In addition, it is necessary to hash out the conditions under which Russia could carry out a preemptive strike with the Russian Strategic Rocket Forces," he said.

One can be certain that this is precisely what Russia will do.

So what happens next?

Recall what former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev said in November 2008 in his first presidential address to the Russian people: "Russia will deploy Iskander missile systems in its enclave in Kaliningrad to neutralize, if necessary, the anti-ballistic missile system in Europe." An anti-ballistic missle system also known as NATO.

Which it did less than a year ago, long before the Ukraine civil war was headline news every day. This is what happened the last time Russia flexed its nuclear deterrence muscles, in November of 2013.

Russia has stationed missiles with a range of about 500 kilometers in its Kaliningrad enclave and along its border with the Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, Germany’s Bild-Zeitung reports, citing defense officials it didn’t identify. Satellite images show a “double-digit” amount of mobile units identified as SS-26 Stone in NATO code. Missiles were stationed within the past 12 months. SS-26 can carry conventional as well as nuclear warheads.

This is merely Russia being true to its warning word. From April 2012:

Moscow reiterated on Tuesday it may deploy Iskander theater ballistic missiles in the Baltic exclave of Kaliningrad that will be capable of effectively engaging elements of the U.S. missile defense system in Poland.

 

NATO members agreed to create a missile shield over Europe to protect it against ballistic missiles launched by so-called rogue states, for example Iran and North Korea, at a summit in Lisbon, Portugal, in 2010.

 

The missile defense system in Poland does not jeopardize Russia’s nuclear forces, Army General Nikolai Makarov, chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, said.

 

“However, if it is modernized…it could affect our nuclear capability and in that case a political decision may be made to deploy Iskander systems in the Kaliningrad region,” he said in an interview with RT television.

 

“But that will be a political decision,” he stressed. “So far there is no such need.”

A little over two years later, there is a need.


Which means forget "little green men" in Ukraine. Think massive Russian Iskander ICBM systems planted on the border with Poland, Ukraine, the Baltics and all across Russia Western border, and the furious screamfest this would waterfall into.

We can't wait to see how algos will spin such pre-emptive steps to a very mushroom cloudy World War III...

 

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Thu, 09/04/2014 - 15:09 | 5181101 froze25
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holy shit

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 15:10 | 5181105 Latina Lover
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You mean, HOLY SHITSKI!

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 15:13 | 5181131 SMG
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Joel Skousen is right. Prepare for what's coming now. What a crappy time to be alive. 

Hopefully someone will stop them, but I just don't see how.

http://www.worldaffairsbrief.com/keytopics/threats.html

I pray after this is all over, if I survive, things are better.

 

 

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 15:14 | 5181145 Silky Johnson
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IT'S FUCKIN ONNNNNNN!!!!

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 15:15 | 5181150 Publicus
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Checkmate to the NWO!

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 15:16 | 5181163 Herd Redirectio...
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In bigger news, Joan Rivers is dead.

The world sometimes truly does progress one funeral at a time.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 15:23 | 5181181 Pinto Currency
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-us-nato-preemptive-nuclear-doctrine-trigger-a-middle-east-nuclear-holocaust-to-defend-the-western-way-of-life/8048

The controversial NATO sponsored report entitled Towards a Grand Strategy for an Uncertain World: Renewing Transatlantic Partnership“. calls for a first strike use of nuclear weapons. The preemptive use of nukes would also be used to undermine an “increasingly brutal World” as well as a means to prevent the use of weapons of mass destruction: 

“They [the authors of the report] consider that nuclear war might soon become possible in an increasingly brutal world. They propose the first use of nuclear weapons must remain “in the quiver of escalation as the ultimate instrument to prevent the use of weapons of mass destruction”. (Paul Dibb, Sidney Morning Herald, 11 February 2008)  

 

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/05/30/lethality-nuclear-weapons/

 

Nuclear war has no winner. Beginning in 2006, several of the world’s leading climatologists (at Rutgers, UCLA, John Hopkins University, and the University of Colorado-Boulder) published a series of studies that evaluated the long-term environmental consequences of a nuclear war, including baseline scenarios fought with merely 1% of the explosive power in the US and/or Russian launch-ready nuclear arsenals. They concluded that the consequences of even a “small” nuclear war would include catastrophic disruptions of global climate[i] and massive destruction of Earth’s protective ozone layer[ii]. These and more recent studies predict that global agriculture would be so negatively affected by such a war, a global famine would result, which would cause up to 2 billion people to starve to death. [iii]

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 15:24 | 5181207 nope-1004
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NATO is trying to poke the bear.  The bear won't fall for it this time, like it did in Afghanistan.

 

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 15:26 | 5181232 Bangalore Equit...
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The bear has grown smarter and stronger under the leadership of the most significant man in human history.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 15:29 | 5181247 boogerbently
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Calling our bluff with a bluff of his own.

Too bad the bath house boy is the pansy in charge.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 15:34 | 5181285 Latina Lover
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Wonder why the Novorossiyans are kicking Kiev Junta's Ass?

Quoting excerpt from interview with Alex Mozgovoy, commander:

Q: Your target is Kiev?
A: Our target—to free Ukraine from the oligarchs and from the corrupt officials. Maybe it is time to stop slaving for those whose personal budget is a multiple of the state budget? It is time to share.

http://slavyangrad.org/2014/09/02/an-interview-with-alexey-mozgovoy-comm...

Imagine if we could get rid of our filthy bankster class in the USSA.....hmmm.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 15:37 | 5181307 Anusocracy
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Better if it had been Betty White than Joan Rivers.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 15:46 | 5181368 Pinto Currency
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Rivers just said Barry is gay and Michelle is a tranni:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ttJyzEfDIE

 

 

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 15:50 | 5181390 Headbanger
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Betty White is an alien

 

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 15:59 | 5181452 macholatte
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Do ya think  Barry had Joan Rivers clipped?

 

 

I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw that my bath toys were a toaster and a radio.

Joan Rivers



I've had so much plastic surgery, when I die they will donate my body to Tupperware.

Joan Rivers


Thu, 09/04/2014 - 16:04 | 5181480 THX 1178
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The golves come off. The radiation suits go on.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 16:26 | 5181601 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Idiots have forgotten about MAD.  Mutually Assured Destruction.  Even if we stop some of the Russian nukes, we won't stop them all.  And all that aside, a few detonated over the US will EMP the electical grid, and all of our nuclear reactors will melt.  So one way or another, everyone is DEAD.  If the nuclear explosions don't get you, you get to live knowing you will die a bit slower death---either from bomb fallout, or from reactor fallout.  Suddenly, the ZH timeline for survival will be shortened greatly.

You fucking Oligarchs that happen to read this:  You won't survive either on your super yacht or your hidden island.  You will die too, it will be Fukishima X 10,000.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 16:30 | 5181630 X.inf.capt
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GAME OVER!

BITCHEZ!

so much for hoarding gold and silver...

next people will cash in all their PM's and buy a pile of coke that would do SCAREFACE proud..

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 16:52 | 5181738 walküre
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Gold is currency during any apocalypse. Who says radiation always kills? We use it to cure cancer. Just don't plan on getting pregnant.

FYI, I recommend you watch "Seeking a Friend for the End of the World"

 

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 16:58 | 5181759 Slave
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Was it all worth it, NATO?

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 17:09 | 5181819 Pure Evil
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Do they make a DOOM sized bucket for the popcorn?

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 17:33 | 5181944 BaBaBouy
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Fuck The FED...

STOP MANIPULATING THE MARKETS.
STOP MANIPULATING GOLD.
STOP ALL HFT TRADERS.
STOP MANIPULATING FIAT CURRENCIES.
STOP FUCKING WITH INTERNATIONAL BANKING.

LETS GET BACK TO FREE MARKETS.

THERE, That Would Solve The Problem Of WAR Also.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 17:38 | 5181964 BaBaBouy
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Hello... EARTH To Aliens, EARTH To Aliens.

OUR Politicos Are Fucking Things Up Royally AGAIN, We Need Your Urgent Intervention Before They Destroy Everything In The Name Of Macho Hubris!

EARTH To Aliens, EARTH To Aliens.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 19:27 | 5182402 Enslavethechild...
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RUSSIA NEEDS TO BOMB ISRAEL BACK INTO THE STONE AGE

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 20:08 | 5182554 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Be ironic if the US spent trillions looking for weapons of mass destruction in a desert in Iraq, which didn't exist, if the Russki's send off a volley of nukes. I can see a Banzai poster showing the CIA tip-toeing around Iraq with an over sized magnifying glass looking in rat holes for nukes, while the sky above is full of ICBM's, with a made in Russis insignia, on their way to the US.

 

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 23:10 | 5183117 Drunk In Church
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It's just more hyperbole.  The world isn't going up in flames over the Ukraine or Estonia.  Just more posturing bullshit.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 23:52 | 5183222 cheech_wizard
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Ambassador de Sadesky: There were those of us who fought against it, but in the end we could not keep up with the expense involved in the arms race, the space race, and the peace race. At the same time our people grumbled for more nylons and washing machines. Our doomsday scheme cost us just a small fraction of what we had been spending on defense in a single year. The deciding factor was when we learned that your country was working along similar lines, and we were afraid of a doomsday gap.

President Merkin Muffley: This is preposterous. I've never approved of anything like that.

Ambassador de Sadesky: Our source was the New York Times.

Fri, 09/05/2014 - 02:41 | 5183408 old naughty
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so we have to take the words from one drunk in  church?

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 20:20 | 5182595 BringOnTheAsteroid
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They're still in the stone age, they pray to invisible gods, rock back and forth at stone walls, have magic hats. You can't make this stuff up.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 22:18 | 5183021 The Blank Stare
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Long Gort

Fri, 09/05/2014 - 03:37 | 5183455 Paveway IV
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Klaatu barada snikki! Uh - no, wait... Klaatu snackbar nikkto? Is that right? Oh hell...

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 22:12 | 5182999 Majestic12
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"Hello... EARTH To Aliens"

The "aliens" are the ones controlling this whole bloody ball of horror....

Hard as it is to believe, everything "makes sense" once you understand that Reptilians actually "feed" on the negative energy of hate, pain suffering, death, and war ...

Our military and "black corporations" made a deal selling out all humans...the aliens provide technology (transistor, micro-computing, fiber optics, lasers, you name it) and control of a global banking system, in exchange for giving the Reptiles "pain and suffering"...."war"...economic and physical.

One catch....the Reptiles "need" our "permission"...which Hollywood provides...via your TV...you vote and "approve" with each choice.....

Crazy?  Nuclear annihilation over "Good/bad" Russians....that's "crazy"...think about it....look at archeology and ancient history...the story is there....

Fri, 09/05/2014 - 02:57 | 5183425 old naughty
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aliens already served ultimatum to earth's elites...

but they observed the prime directive of non-interfering;

after all why do they care about a silly bunch of sheeples who fxcked it all up in the first place by "accepting" the entire package of matrix / predictive programming / greed is good / overpopulation / up-up-and-away housing prices... ?

We opened the door and let the vampires in.

Reset is coming, fast and furios, folks. Brace, brace.

Fri, 09/05/2014 - 03:41 | 5183456 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Mate, that is a hyperlink to just how truly deluded humans have become (or maybe always were). This is right up there with the invisible grey bearded skyman. Humans have a collective need for a higher power because it seems existing on a tiny blue marble in the infinite recesses of space, on your own, is just too scary for the human mind to cope with. It is quite intriguing though how these fantacies do seem to serve to quell the monsters of fear that lurk in the human brain.

I remember as a child being terrified of the monsters that lived under my bed and walking into that room at night, on my own, was laced with terror. It was not a matter of if the monsters existed, my brain manufactured their existence. Same with space aliens and the god. The mind manufacturers these things and they are very real to the brain that makes them. Every bit as real as that dragons claw that would reach from under the bed and grab my at my ankles. Terrifyingly real.

 

 

Fri, 09/05/2014 - 09:11 | 5183979 old naughty
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humnnnnnm,

ever wonder where those ideas "manufactured" in your mind come from? Not God...?

Fri, 09/05/2014 - 10:07 | 5184262 BringOnTheAsteroid
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No, not god. God doesn't exist other than the concept in people minds.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 17:33 | 5181945 tbd108
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Perhaps it's time for Merkle to make her move?

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 17:58 | 5182042 Badabing
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Long 1950s school desks

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 18:40 | 5182212 Bangalore Equit...
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Thu, 09/04/2014 - 19:39 | 5182448 Not Too Important
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All the 'good news' about Nuclear Winter:

http://www.goodnewsnuke.com/

No one in their right mind would give a chainsaw to a homicidal maniac. Why give the US nuclear arsenal to a few hundred of them?

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 20:53 | 5182702 TheGardener
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Gold and oil not much affected by radiation.

All they still argue about if oilfields really must be
populated at all.

Radiation scare we would wish to stay. Once gone, nukes going everywhere.

With the first one to be set off blamed on Putin anyway why
not have the ultimate false flag again be in Jew York City ?

Berlin, London , Vichy DC just seconds before...

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 21:52 | 5182943 Loose Caboose
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,,, or The Miracle Mile.

http://youtu.be/BVqfu7K33aA

Fri, 09/05/2014 - 08:24 | 5183692 IndyPat
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I'd rather die in a nuke exchange than even contemplate trying to survive something as awful as 1980s America again.
That movie was so au gratin.....

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 16:35 | 5181654 trulz4lulz
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Actually an even like that would be awesome to see, if you lived that long. Its referred to as a "skyshine" event. What happens is the Alpha and Beta emitting isotopes begin to stack on top of one another, the reason they do this is because of the intense, very dense, but very short beta and alpha radiation. Once the atmosphere of the Earth becomes over popuated with these "stacked" isotopes, it creates a type of Gamma radiation that I cant remember what its called, then atmosphere of the Earth will literally buldge, then POP! The entire thing just pops off of the Earth, and we are washed over by solar wind and the cold, hard reality of space.

From that point on, Earth becomes floating ball of death, a non event in the grand scheme of things to be sure, but also a pretty large gamma emitting beacon of stupidity on a grand scale.

pro nukers really like to avoid talking about said scenario. Aliens will love to study it however, from the comfort of their star cruisers though.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 18:08 | 5182084 Citxmech
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Please cite to something.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 18:25 | 5182167 Ms. Erable
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Dude must've been watching Ancient Aliens upside-down while blazing or something. Skyshine: http://www.euronuclear.org/info/encyclopedia/s/skyshine.htm

And from the ZH Wayback machine: http://www.zerohedge.com/article/skyshine

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 18:52 | 5182268 trulz4lulz
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Im looking now. A Japanese physicist talked about it and has a paper on the subject. The sky shine is what you see before it happens really. I wish I could remember the name of the actual event. Im sure someone here knows what its called. But I am looking for it. I think I have the paper and interview saven on my external drive at home. Might have to wait until tomorrow before I can post it.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 21:50 | 5182932 COSMOS
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Event horizon?

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 22:07 | 5182994 trulz4lulz
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No.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 19:25 | 5182392 trulz4lulz
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulomb%27s_law

I guess you could compare it to Coulombs Law. THink of it like that. Radioactive material, wont sit next to one another, they push each other away due to its decay. As it fills the atmosphere it "stacks" on top of one another.....thats the best I can expalin it right now. Sorry. I know there is a real term for what Im describing.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 20:00 | 5182177 Not Too Important
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'Skyshine' (also known as Gamma Shine) is what the USS Reagan (and dozens of other ships) were exposed to when Fukushima blew. The cancers are coming quick, and of course the DOJ is denying everything (what about the 100k other military and families in Japan that are going to suffer the same fate?)

Washed over by solar wind? The ozone layer is almost completely gone. The Space Radiation is coming in by the ocean full.

It even looks like they've stopped chemtrailing. Maybe they know it's time to give up, and they want to go out with a bang, before the pitchforks come out.

The .01% have never forgotten the French Revolution 'Reign of Terror'.

Mayer might like to buy when there's blood in the streets, but if he thinks it might be his, he'd kill us all first.

The Samson Option is not just for Israel. It's for the .01%, too.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 21:51 | 5182938 COSMOS
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Of course there will be a news blackout, and all these hapless sailors will die in agony with no one to hear their story

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 17:01 | 5181770 Kirk2NCC1701
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But, but... what about Ag and Au bullion in a "nukular" winter?  Can't I use them as 'money'?  ;-)

Or should I stock up on Jimmy Buffet songs, TP and Scotch for the Bunker?  What say you, Chief Engineer?

p.s. I'm assuming you don't have the Transporter or Warp Drive online yet?

Fri, 09/05/2014 - 08:41 | 5183784 j0nx
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2 things annoy the fuck out of me more than anything else: slowpoke dickheads doddling in the left lane and so called educated people pronouncing nuclear as nukular.

Fri, 09/05/2014 - 00:14 | 5183264 Peelingtheonion
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PTI,

 

The banksters and oligarchs...had better step on it...and get Elysium built....  

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 16:38 | 5181664 AldousHuxley
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Shanghai Cooperation Organisation

 

China + Russia + *istans + India

Fri, 09/05/2014 - 03:57 | 5183466 Oh regional Indian
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Sadly, India is finding comfort in suckling on Japan's shrivelled, radioactive dong for now.

I'm coming to the conclusion that India is truly a nation asleep, eyes wide shut....

But...everything is exactly as it should be and we are all a part of (not apart from) this crazy daisy play for good reason.

Fractally speaking, it's all perfect.

Just stop fearing...fear of fear is a constant state of dying, not living.

Here is to living, now!

ori

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 16:44 | 5181685 Mi Naem
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"The golves come off."

 

Actually, I think that's at the NATO summit. 

Fooooooorrre!

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 18:31 | 5182070 hobopants
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Anyone who is stupid enough to start yammering on about using nukes should have one shoved directly up their ass, and that goes for both sides. They are traitors to their own people and a danger to the human race in general. Dumbest thing we've ever come up with as a species.

This is looking more and more like ground zero for SHTF, and it's completely planned that way. Russia should keep following the line they have been and denying the bankers the war they need, starve the beast.

Fri, 09/05/2014 - 00:02 | 5182948 COSMOS
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They try, but its tough when the rest of the honkey world gangs up on you.  Russia like 140 million people vs 300 million Americans, 30 million canucks and 300 million Euroshits, plus 25 million wanna be dropping killer tree bears down under.

Fri, 09/05/2014 - 02:37 | 5183403 Karaio
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Ooops! 

 

B = 198.7 million (2012). 

R = 142 806 667 (2013). 

I = 1237000000 (2012). 

C = 1.351 billion (2012). 

S = 51190000 (2012). 

 

They have water, ore, petroleum, nuclear weapons are buying and selling without using dollars and yet not killed Muslims and not interfered in anyone's life. 

Only Russia has a base outside of its territory is in Tartus, Syria and screwed up in Afghanistan. 

Paraguay invaded Brazil in 1860 and to this day regret. 

Do not rely only on the Russian population in a global struggle. 

:-)

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 16:05 | 5181491 SoilMyselfRotten
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Who can blame Russia for trying to use the Bush/Cheney 1% doctrine? If 1% chance they will be attacked then you respond as if it were a 100% certainty. Oops, thats only for the good guys.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 16:51 | 5181732 Kirk2NCC1701
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"Joan Rivers", born Joan Alexandra Molinsky in New York on June 8, 1933, is no more.

Just about as it looked like she might recover, she felt the icy hand of... death upon her (machine).  She shuffled off this Mortal Coil.  She is an ex-comedian.  She had her last squawk.  She'll won't be pining for the Fiords, but she'll be pushing up daisies.  She... fuckin' snuffed it!

My comments may seem tasteless, but true lovers of the Comic Arts and Joan herself will appreciate my allegorical references above.  If not, I don't give a damn, and you can show your literary ignorance by junking me.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 17:25 | 5181901 disabledvet
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"Not just funny but fun."

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 22:00 | 5182960 COSMOS
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She was not funny.  The lackluster delivery of shit material, delivered in a Jewish mom then Jewish Grandmother loud obnoxious manner sprinkled with the fake laughter that permeates every shit sitcom out of Hollywood underlies why this country is going to SHIT.  When you allow certain ethnic groups to dominate certain industries like entertainment and finance, you get self-promotion and decay.  Monopolies are criminal organizations.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 23:43 | 5183194 Joenobody12
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"When you allow certain ethnic groups to dominate certain industries like entertainment and finance, you get self-promotion and decay. '

AND When you allow certain ethnic groups to dominate the government, you get WW3.  So-called leaders seem powerless to stop the relentless push of Russia. Why is that the case ?When will the Europeans and Americans say enough is enough and off with the head of those mother fuckers who think they are smart but in reality, crazy and short sighted ?

I was attending a scinetific meeting in Israel at one time and was truly amazed to see our normally gentle, rational Jewish colleagues got all hot headed about their motherland. Truely eye opening and scary. 

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 17:30 | 5181921 fockewulf190
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She also died a painless death, enveloped in a cloud of unconsciousness, until she left this world.  What a gift to go out that way.  I hope I am that lucky.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 18:09 | 5182086 Kirk2NCC1701
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Sorry ZHers, for digressing from the Main Topic, but, re the funny/controversial Joan Rivers... per one media source:

"The comic was rushed to Mt. Sinai Hospital last Thursday after she stopped breathing during what the network says was a “minor throat procedure” at a clinic in Manhattan."

That's a helluva way to silence her:  Deadly complications from a “minor throat procedure”.  Wow.  Sure "stuff happens", but not right after a controversial remark -- that, in her case, would have led to a whole series on the same topic, and gathered a following every step of the way.  Clearly "not acceptable".  This appears, once again, another case of "For the greater good".

p.s.  One interesting "tell" is that NO one dares utter/repeat her last controversial (Gay/Trannie) comments -- which normally would be ALL they'd talk about.  Interesting.  Most interesting.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 20:16 | 5182269 JRev
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I've posted about it here before, but Mt. Sinai Hospital in New York is a known MKULTRA subcontractor. "Dr." Harold Abramson, the "head allergist" at Mt. Sinai in the 60s, was the CIA's chief LSD researcher and the man who dosed Frank Olsen before his mysterious death. Gerald Oster, another Mt. Sinai doctor, "discovered" the use of binaural beats to manipulate emotion and cognition, right before passing it off to the Monroe Institute where they started their zany "psychic spying" program, the shit Men Who Stare at (Scape)Goats is based off of.

Crazy world we live in.

http://onestepbeyond.me/inscom-remote-viewing-documents-theyre-important/

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 20:30 | 5182627 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Since you want to go down that rabbit hole. Who is her target audience these days that would actually listen to her and accept her criticisms and comedy of Obama as valid and might actually color their view of him as being the greatest thing since sliced bread. The LGBT community. Think how that would play come mid terms 2016 if she kept up the heat with the LGBT wing of voters who tend to vote Democrat.

 

Fri, 09/05/2014 - 03:19 | 5183436 matrix2012
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Do not be afraid, if we're in the middle of nuke lob exchanges the death will also happen instantly, we may not even have the chance to finish the sip of a glass of liquor of any kind :-) lol

So fear not whatsoever for the endpoint of the earthy time because the next astral journey will be a ride of the soul (the permanent spirit, in a kind of light form)...only the body exhausts its service time thus decay into ashes.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 17:45 | 5181997 exi1ed0ne
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She's just shagged out after a long squawk.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 17:34 | 5181938 Kirk2NCC1701
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"Betty White is an alien".   Yes, everybody is an 'alien' outside their country.  ;-)

But I know what you mean: She's not from the Virgo Cluster, and probably a crypto-Clingon.

/s

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 19:00 | 5182307 El Crusty
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At least the Klingons have a strict code of honor, something our government seriously lacks.

Fri, 09/05/2014 - 01:22 | 5183335 matrix2012
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TRUE!  The D.C. govt has more resemblance to the despicable, untrustworthy FERENGI.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 19:01 | 5182308 El Crusty
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At least the Klingons have a strict code of honor, something our government seriously lacks.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 21:30 | 5182865 Majestic12
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"Betty White is an alien"

So, is she a "Tall White"?....because she's pretty short....

Fri, 09/05/2014 - 00:27 | 5183285 ebear
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"Betty White is an alien"

I think you mean Betty Hill

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 15:52 | 5181408 10mm
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Bingo Pinto.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 17:01 | 5181743 Slave
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Let's talk 10mm.

Mine is Glock 20SF, Meprolight night sights, extended slide stop lever, Talon grips, KKM 4.6 inch barrel, and Wolff 22# recoil spring. Usually run Underwood 180 grain Gold Dots for carry and mix a few hard casts into the magazine when in bear country. Reliable, accurate, devastating, and lots of extra shots.

What's your setup?

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 17:23 | 5181873 Kirk2NCC1701
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Slave, hey I'm into a 10 mm also.  Specifically...

10 mm diameter at 1/e2 beam diameter and TEM00 mode.  45 MJoules in NIR, pulsed, with option of Frequency-doubled to allow for output or tracers in the VIS -- for better Shock & Awe effect.  Has a really flat trajectory, except when near super-massive bodies of matter.

Oh, BTW, I really like the 10x beam expander for when I really need to drive the point home on a bigger target.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 18:16 | 5182120 trulz4lulz
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<pewpew> These people tried to phase me! <pewpew> Where my lazers at? All the people tried to tell me where the lazers at.....<pewpewpew!>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNP-poEdf8M

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 23:13 | 5183124 COSMOS
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Minor surgical procedure my ass.  She was having half of her upper body skin removed similar to one doing a circumcision or pulling up a sock.  They yanked all her loose skin up to her neck and were trying to trim it off, to give her total body and boob lift.

This loud mouthed hoe died trying to be something she never was, she was never pretty and never funny.  Just a loud insulting jackass that was talentless but self promoted by her peers

Fri, 09/05/2014 - 00:05 | 5183246 Cardinal Fang
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I don't know man, we were doing 40 cm plates and petawatts. Whats this mm shit we are talking about? Mosquito dicks?

 

Fri, 09/05/2014 - 08:27 | 5183703 dontgoforit
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Particle beams trump ICBM type nukes, but not much good on previously-planted ones, unless their position is also previously known.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 17:27 | 5181897 kill switch
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You have to wonder if this was not a government run job,,,Oh you don't think so?  in this fucked up country... Hastings,,,Boston maracon,,Oklahoma.....Northwoods....I'll stop here my finger will get numb if I list all of it...NUKES TO NATO,,,HELLO THERE.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 21:34 | 5182852 matrix2012
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Watched the clip, the shocking part about Michelle is a tranni was said clearly, repetitively.

This is another clip with some extras: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5E5GMxgVTVU

And when she said we already knew she's talking about the elites knew about it. The high masons and Illuminati.? No wonder she must be put down by the satans!

So whose children are their kids? A genetic examination should clear all the doubt.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 21:44 | 5182898 Majestic12
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"A genetic examination should clear all the doubt."

Ahhh, Matrix2012...A genetic examination should clear all the doubt about many things...."human"...

This was all part of the NWO plan....when they launched Reagan and the Bushes, they knew the "big transition" to the Brave New World would have "blowback"....

They created Barry and "family" ...labeled him "moderate"...paid all involved in rigging the vote, handed him the Hopium message that we all craved... and voila...suprise!   They win again....

We are one step closer to the "fake alien invasion" that Von Braun warned about....the war crescendo will rise.....then the "aliens" will stop it....surprise!  They win again...

Since the "Avengers" do not exist...the UN will propose a "united world government" to battle the (project Bule Beam) "invading" aliens....as if they have not already been here for centuries....

Then, with a new "digital" monetary system and all humans "chipped"...we'll be saved.....a new "golden era" of slavery...constant monitoring....and certain exploitation of our every thought of our short, pathetic lives....

With only the faint memory of the "Glory" of being a "useless eater" for a moment in time....

Cheers.

Fri, 09/05/2014 - 03:29 | 5183449 matrix2012
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But before we are going that far, lets finish first the MH17 puzzles...

 

calling London, London, London....where's the MH17 black box info???

and Kiew too, where's the record of the air traffic control tower in Kiev???

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 22:31 | 5182970 matrix2012
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And here's another very interesting video of her:

Joan Rivers Speaks Passionately About Israel [CENSORED]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp_JHzLW-7Q

Published on Jul 31, 2014

"Wednesday, July 30,m 2014 - Joan Rivers arrives at LAX wearing an oversize scarf and sunglasses. She speaks passionately about the recent events in Israel."

 

Well, she must have a cold heart... wishing death the on innocent people/Palestinian!

 

It makes me to think that all her gay & tranni slurs may have something to do with the REPLACING the mulatto now the gay chief in the middle of the show.

 

 

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 23:54 | 5183213 COSMOS
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You know I respect the lady.  As tiny as she was in that video with everyone towering over her, She fights for her people and knows that all the surrounding Arab states would push all the Israelis into the sea if they could. 

I must say that every secular person I have met from Israel I have been very impressed with.  I have my issues with the crooks on wall street, but by and large the majority of secular Israelis I have met I would support.

Fri, 09/05/2014 - 01:47 | 5183354 matrix2012
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@ COSMOS

Agreeable that Israeli have their decent needs for a land but they should stop the annexation and endless land grabs of Palestinian land & fresh water resources and Syrian Golan Heights ! And their very problem are those Zio-Global at the helm who make use of them for their own agendas, making the ordinary Israeli people look very bad, making that country very despicable. And today Israel has more weapons to defense itself more than what the entire Arab nations have in total! Definitely the victim role does not belong to them! 

I wished that Yizhak Rabin would live and stay in power longer to find a workable, permanent solution of two sovereign countries, two independent nations with the Palestine and live in peace with other neighbors.

There won't be any peace forever if Israel keeps on playing as the big bully towards most of its neighbors around...they can't expect the true peace if they keep on the possession of the stolen lands and even keep on stealing... just hope the current Empire will last forever till the end of time to finance and cover their asses...or they may try to finish all the opposing neighbors... just a logical thought.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 15:49 | 5181381 Keyser
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Whatever happened to the concept of mutaully assured destruction? I guess these idiots want to go out with a bang, and take the rest of us with them... 

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 16:03 | 5181461 Ms. Erable
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Isn't it obvious? Russia has widened the mineshaft gap enough to possess a significant strategic advantage.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 16:22 | 5181596 FL_Conservative
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Russian aggression would have stopped months ago when Putin violated the 1994 treaty if Obama would have declared that he was going to return Ukraine's nukes.  Putin would've climbed back on his horse and gone home.  Its a pity when you have a President with no balls or intelligence.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 16:34 | 5181645 Anusocracy
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Unless you've been brain dead for the last half-century or so, you will know that the US has been the number one aggressor throughout the world during that time.

BTW, do you have PROOF of said treaty violation or is that just another in a long line of US lies? After all, the odds are that anything the US says is likely to be a lie.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 17:42 | 5181982 BraveSirRobin
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Russian troops caputured in Ukraine seems proof enough. Even the leader of the "break away" region in Ukraine said there were Russian toops there. He said the were there on "vacation." 

Of course you will not accept any proof, probably because of your Putin man-crush.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 17:52 | 5182026 exi1ed0ne
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If Montana decided to break away, I'd bet more then a few people in the military would take some leave and decide to visit Glacier National Park.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 17:57 | 5182041 Keyser
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Hmm, what about the clear violations of ettiquette on behave of the Ukies?  You think they are virginal in this matter in light of MH17 and proof of NATO choppers being used in-theater by Ukraine? 

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 18:34 | 5182191 Anusocracy
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Wow, what does "there were Russian toops there." have to do with an arms treaty?

And what countries throughout the world do not have US Special Ops or military regulars in them?

For most of the last 50 years the US has been the number one killer, destroyer, invader, thief, and liar in the world.

So get your head out of Obama's ass and wake up, subhuman dupe.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 22:57 | 5183097 BraveSirRobin
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Russia signed an agreemwnt with Ukraine to guarantee Ukraine's borders if Ukraine gave Russia all its nuclear weapons. Ukraine did, and was certified free of all weapons and weapons grade fissle material in 2013. Then Russia annexed Crimea and invaded eastern Ukraine. In the same treaty, the US and Britain also guaranteed Ukrainian soverieghty and its borders. This is what it all has to do with treaties. Please learn facts and get over your Putin man-crush. He is a nasty brutal dictator. Why do you support that?

Fri, 09/05/2014 - 08:28 | 5183708 dontgoforit
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Russia has a distinct advantage because they have a Manchurian candidate POTUS. 

Fri, 09/05/2014 - 12:28 | 5185085 Anusocracy
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Well, seeing as though the current Ukraine gov was put in place by the US, Russia IS attempting to guarantee Ukraine's borders against an invader: the US.

You are hard-wired to revere your ingroup, even if it is a Piece Of Shit. I am not.

Birds of a feather flock together you little POS.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 17:33 | 5181932 kill switch
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FL_Conservative=====John Bolton NEOCON..

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 16:12 | 5181521 worbsid
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Now that is serious "Change you can believe in." 

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 16:58 | 5181760 Duffy
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you fucking cunt.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 18:45 | 5182243 Anusocracy
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You're right, I stand corrected.

Better you than Joan Rivers.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 15:41 | 5181326 gruntled
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Mozgovoy is a real hero, an amazing guy, who I'm sure now has multiple worldwide bounties on his head.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 15:48 | 5181379 MalteseFalcon
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So let's just quickly recap.  The West fights a 45 year cold war (on the brink several times) and wins.  The Soviet Union dissolves and it's constituent states are completely prostrate.  The US is the remaining superpower and can shape the world in any fashion it wants.  Sooooooo, we get 25 years of war and bubbles, because we can.

And here we are back at the brink.

Hellava job, Brownie!!

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 15:57 | 5181439 Bangalore Equit...
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Jesus cristo, you like it simple.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 16:05 | 5181489 MalteseFalcon
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I said it was a 'recap'. What did I miss, 'Bangalore'?

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 15:55 | 5181425 Zero Govt
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pure Putin gamesmanship ...to put the shits up everyone

they wheel this senile old goat out, well General, on special occasions ...ZH didn't show his picture, coz he's that old and that ugly!!

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 15:58 | 5181446 Bangalore Equit...
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You mean he's not Entertainment Tonight, TMZ kinda sexyyyyyyy?

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 16:54 | 5181749 fockewulf190
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"Preventive Strike" doesn´t prevent anything.  All it does is provide enough time for the first strikers population to be scared shitless before they, too, are vaporized , burned to death, buried alive, or lethally irradiated.  The survivors on both sides (as well the rest of humanity who had nothing to do with the conflict), will be forced to live life ala "The Road" until the poisoned atmoshere, fed from all the melted cores from all the destroyed nuclear reactors and exposed spent fuel rods reacting violently within empty storage pools,  produces another worldwide extinction level event. 

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 17:07 | 5181807 Kirk2NCC1701
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Well, that would give the expression "Lizard Overlords" a whole new meaning, as only bugs and lizards would survive on the surface.

If Apes were to survive us, they'd deserve to.  Maybe we'll come Out of Africa again in a few million years.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 17:15 | 5181852 Pure Evil
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You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 17:21 | 5181879 fockewulf190
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Maybe the aliens will come back, renovate their old home at Puma Punktu, and bust out their stock of hybrids they have been saving up for so long.

Fri, 09/05/2014 - 01:48 | 5183362 tvdog
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Well, humans may be gone, but life will continue after a nuclear war. There's that slime that grows on the walls of the reactor room at Chernobyl and feeds on radiation:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiotrophic_fungus

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 19:01 | 5182280 toxic8
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War. War never changes.

The end of the world occurred pretty much as we had predicted. Too many humans, not enough space or resources to go around. The details are trivial and pointless, the reasons, as always, purely human ones.

The earth was nearly wiped clean of life. A great cleansing, an atomic spark struck by human hands, quickly raged out of control. Spears of nuclear fire rained from the skies. Continents were swallowed in flames and fell beneath the boiling oceans. Humanity was almost extinguished, their spirits becoming part of the background radiation that blanketed the earth.

A quiet darkness fell across the planet, lasting many years. Few survived the devastation. Some had been fortunate enough to reach safety, taking shelter in great underground vaults. When the great darkness passed, these vaults opened, and their inhabitants emerged to begin their lives again..

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AZLO_WIT4M

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 22:33 | 5183049 trulz4lulz
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MGS IV has a far superior opening. IMHO. ANd the message of the entire series.......if you arent familiar.....is..well...prophetic to say the least.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bRyzkoJwo4

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 16:47 | 5181709 Bananamerican
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On the night of September 26, 1983, the Soviet orbital missile early warning system (SPRN), code-named Oko, reported a single intercontinental ballistic missile launch from the territory of the United States.[25] Lieutenant Colonel Stanislav Petrov, who was on duty during the incident, correctly dismissed the warning as a computer error when ground early warning radars did not detect any launches. Part of his reasoning was that the system was new and known to malfunction before; also, a full scale nuclear attack from the United States would involve thousands of simultaneous launches, not a single missile.

Later, the system reported four more ICBM launches headed to the Soviet Union, but Petrov again dismissed the reports as false. The investigation that followed revealed that the system indeed malfunctioned and false alarms were caused by a rare alignment of sunlight on high-altitude clouds underneath the satellites' orbits.

Exercise Able Archer 83

A US Air Force after-action report describes three days of "low spectrum" conventional play followed by two days of "high spectrum nuclear warfare." From the The National Security Archive.
Thus, on November 7, 1983, as Soviet intelligence services were attempting to detect the early signs of a nuclear attack, NATO began to simulate one. The exercise, codenamed Able Archer, involved numerous NATO allies and simulated NATO's Command, Control, and Communications (C³) procedures during a nuclear war. Some Soviet leaders, because of the preceding world events and the exercise's particularly realistic nature, believed—in accordance with Soviet military doctrine—that the exercise may have been a cover for an actual attack.[26][27] Indeed, a KGB telegram of February 17 described one likely scenario as such

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 17:02 | 5181779 onthesquare
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Deny women your essence.

Obama can't get it up anymore.

This is just the final flallings of a sterile man sleeping with a wookie.

right out of Dr. Strangelove.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 23:07 | 5183112 BraveSirRobin
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And the Russians never - ever had nuclear command and control exerises. Why they are just peace loving passive souls that murdered 27 million or more of their own people, including quite a lot of Ukranians. But fuck history - you have chosen sides - you like Putin. He has such muscles. So manly. Was it love at first sight, or did it grow over time?

Fri, 09/05/2014 - 02:07 | 5183377 tvdog
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Others have said it, but once more: people don't love Putin, they just hate his enemies.

Fri, 09/05/2014 - 04:01 | 5183468 matrix2012
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BSR Brainless idiot,

while you're dumping a lot of fecal matters here

you're confusing the bloodthirsty BOLSHEVIK USSR with the brave RUSSIAN people!  Go learn correctly before dirtying here.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 16:15 | 5181541 Freddie
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If the Ukrainians are smart - they will go to Kiev and get those oligarchs.  Waterboard them to find out who stole the gold and gave the order to shoot down the airliner.  Then put these dual citizen traitors on trial and use the boiled rope after the trial.  Evil scum.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 19:14 | 5182156 Not Too Important
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"A: Our target—to free Ukraine from the oligarchs and from the corrupt officials."

Orthodox Christian Russians against Jewish-supported and led Nazis.

Man, this is confusing me.

Didn't the Nazis and US and Jewish Nazi supporters learn a few years ago not to fight the Russians in winter? Or are they expecting an easy victory before the first snow?

Quick, let me ask Napoleon . . .

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 15:49 | 5181382 Oldrepublic
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most significant man in human history.

change that to Russian history

Fri, 09/05/2014 - 00:52 | 5183316 Ward no. 6
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well not even in russian history

lenin was more significant....in russian history

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 16:09 | 5181507 Limbs Akimbo
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"The bear has grown smarter and stronger..."

 

Yes this is true but "the most significant man in human history?"

 

That is just a troll statement right?

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 19:35 | 5182433 ukrassian
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there will be no history after he pushes that button.

and next civilisation in billion of years later will be speculating about what killed all the humans,

same as we are wondering now how dinosaurs died.

 

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 23:08 | 5183115 BraveSirRobin
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I believe there is a lot of homo-erotic lust for Putin on this site.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 16:12 | 5181529 NotGrokkingIt
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JC was pretty dope

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 16:29 | 5181625 Calmyourself
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Not that there is anything wrong with it, but that sounds a bit gay.. Actually more than a bit gay, like man crushy nasty..

Fri, 09/05/2014 - 00:49 | 5183309 Ward no. 6
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i wouldn't go so far as to say the most significant man in history...

but yeah i like him quite a lot.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 15:29 | 5181244 linniepar
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All this over a small piece of land half way across the world? Seems extreme.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 15:34 | 5181282 boogerbently
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I'm betting we make an example of ISIS......for Russia.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 15:41 | 5181332 petkovplamen
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Dont think so. Just yesterday ISIS threatened Russia. This shows what ISIS really is.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 17:09 | 5181817 Lea
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petkovplamen is right. ISIS can only be a USA-led venture put up:

1) to scare and manipulate Americans (they scare easily. Mention the word "threat" and they all scamper)

2) do what they bloody want in the ME (and "bloody" is the right term).

3) threaten Putin and his allies. Drop bombs, in that charming way of them, whenever possible.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 18:16 | 5182125 Omen IV
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WHAT DOES "EXAMPLE " MEAN?

this organization  - ISIS - was financed, organized, advised by the affiliates of USA: Qatar / SA /  Turkey  and aided and abetted by USA via Benghazi arms supply

so are you suggesting the Russian Separatists work for Nuland and NATO?

 

Fri, 09/05/2014 - 04:08 | 5183472 matrix2012
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ISIS or "Islamic State in Iraq and Syria" ??? 

 

It is important to point out that the Islamic State (IS) is not some shadowy force that emerged from the caves of Afghanistan to form an effective military force that is funded by Twitter donations and murky secretive finance deals. IS is entirely the creation of NATO and the West and it remains in control of the organization.

[...]

http://www.activistpost.com/2014/08/nato-using-foley-and-isis-as-pretext...

 

As Tony Cartalucci writes in his article “Implausible Deniability: West’s ISIS Terror Hordes In Iraq,”

Beginning in 2011 - and actually even as early as 2007 - the United States has been arming, funding, and supporting the Muslim Brotherhood and a myriad of armed terrorist organizations to overthrow the government of Syria, fight Hezbollah in Lebanon, and undermine the power and influence of Iran, which of course includes any other government or group in the MENA region friendly toward Tehran.

Billions in cash have been funneled into the hands of terrorist groups including Al NusraAl Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), and what is now being called "Islamic State in Iraq and Syria" or ISIS. One can see clearly by any map of ISIS held territory that it butts up directly against Turkey's borders with defined corridors ISIS uses to invade southward - this is because it is precisely from NATO territory this terrorist scourge originated. 

ISIS was harbored on NATO territory, armed and funded by US CIA agents with cash and weapons brought in from the Saudis, Qataris, and NATO members themselves. The "non-lethal aid" the US and British sent including the vehicles we now see ISIS driving around in.

[...]

http://www.landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2014/08/implausible-deniability-we...

 

NOTE: check the ISIS MAP to grasp clearer idea!

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 15:39 | 5181312 disabledvet
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Just a WEEEE bit.

It is well known that Russia could survive a first strike and retaliate. So "we'll offer up a pre-emotive strike option instead"? Friggin NUTTY PUTTY!

I mean talk about going long cave dwellers.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 16:52 | 5181737 Seer
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And of course, the "option" was NEVER on the US's table...

Point is is that it's TALK.  Let's quit pretending that they've somehow thought this shit up.

"I mean talk about going long cave dwellers."

Watch out for bears!

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 17:35 | 5181947 disabledvet
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See below and "when it comes to a first strike the USA is a sitting duck." So sure...this may sound like good theater...but that's exactly where I would leave it. The purpose could be to drive the Western Powers closer to Kiev in order to better defend against such a threat. It's certainly calling out the missile defense folks.

My understanding of deterrence however is that the only solution to these types of threats is more missiles...not "more threats." When it comes to missiles...the USA has got a lot of those. And we can build many, many, many, many, many, many, many....more.

Perhaps a Frankish discussion is in order here)

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 22:41 | 5183066 Calmyourself
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Many, many more is that why we are dependent on Russian launch vehicles

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/07/17/us-too-dependent-on-russian-ro...

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 15:40 | 5181327 El Vaquero
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All this over dollar hegemony. 

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 15:46 | 5181364 Anusocracy
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Sort of.

They are wired to control others as their way of survival.

They get emotional rewards as well as material rewards.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 15:52 | 5181403 El Vaquero
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Dollar hegemony is a key component of that control.  It is what gives us claim to more resources than we would otherwise have access to.  It is what allows us to bully other countries financially.

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 17:43 | 5181991 disabledvet
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Name a single constituency in favor of a stronger dollar.

Not even Wall Street wants that!

The last time we had this big a move in the dollar was in the 90's...driven PURELY by a "speculative frenzy." The move does make sense both from the standpoint of QE winding down, the exceptional carry in the treasury yield curve and the actual yield itself of treasuries. You have also have a moonshot in equities so lots of dollars are disappearing into that money furnace "while throwing off pennies on the dollar."

But the only real reason for panic buying of the dollar is fear of an imminent outbreak of war. The moves in oil prices alone have been spectacular this week.

"All over a bunch of goo."

Thu, 09/04/2014 - 17:46 | 5182003 sleigher
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Like little pellets when the rat finishes the maze?

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